Okay, so we got five rays online, um, but we don't have a chair, so Select A member to run the meeting. Hey, John was talking about plugged I, John's never done it before. Not I say that. I have no one, so I, I'll shoot from the header. All right. That's the agenda. Alright. I'd like to call the, uh, July 17th meeting to order at 7:00 PM for the, uh, Westfield Planning Board.
This is a hybrid meeting. So people here during, in the meeting, obviously we have people on Zoom. Um, there is no, uh, public participation at first anybody'd like to speak about anything. Not on the agenda. I think most, most of us are here for the rezoning of 44 January Road, and that's, we're not able to speak, uh, on that this evening. It's a public hearing signed. Uh, if that were the case, you would be a dispute, so move to the public hearing when you,
Uh, minutes. Uh, but yeah, we have minutes from our last meeting of June 16th. Yes, sir. 17th. You just sent us that, right? With the Got him today. Yes. I, so I, we approve the meeting minutes meeting from June six, 17th. Sorry. So We need a roll call. Okay. Because Ray's online. Ray, can you hear us? Ray? Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Yes. Is that copy?
That looks like a yes. Bill. You can you hear me now? Yes. Bernie. Yes. Rich? Yes. I'm a yes. Um, moving on to public hearings. And the first item is 44 Cannery Road permit to, uh, change the zoning from rural residential to commercial A and the board do make a recommendation to the city council. So we've, Uh, we've received a letter from the, uh, uh,
petitioner to continue. I guess they're not available or some scheduling thing. Um, so it's up to the board to continue or not. Um, obviously it's helpful to have the petitioner present, but it's not like a special permit. We only make a recommendation. So one to take some testimony you could or Is it already on the schedule? Uh, city council's schedule City Council has already closed their hearing. So they're, they're awaiting your recommendation. So by statute you're supposed to, it's a time period or they can't do anything until you report.
Um, being summer, that's probably not gonna be a factor. Did City Council move it to a committee Or I think it's in committee and they haven't met yet. They'll be looking for your recommendation. You don't have to give one, but usually you do. So, uh, they're looking for the content. Yeah, we requested a content, But you know, we're only making a recommendation and there Aren an awful lot of people here for that, so I think they should continue and make a recommendation based on what we do. Well, we're only gonna get one side of the story, so
Yeah, I mean, there's a zone change is pretty straightforward. It's getting this process, the zoning, so based it on any proposed use that would always change, so, okay. There's not really We gonna move forward then. Um, there's no one here for the petitioner to speak, so I guess we're looking it up to the public. Anybody want to speak forward when you come forward? Please state your name and your address. Walter, A 1 0 4 Shannon Lane. Have some questions. Has anybody contacted the Springfield Water Department? Because those 32 people,
the cars we're gonna go across there right away every day to get in. And also the gas electric has a right of way in the existing public right of way that's been there since the, uh, Zuma family a hundred years. And state law says if, if it is used as a right away for 30 years, it's automatic. I've been using it for 60 years. And so just to be clear, this is just to change the zoning from one district to another. There's no, not contemplating any project According To their plan. It looks like they're gonna build right over The right lake And that'll cut it off from
gas, electric and all of it. My neighbors and I have been using it For 60 years. Uh, If this is going to directly impact 16 residents, and if you add 'em all up in the, the whole area, three neighborhoods would be about 300 people. And they have been dumping fill in that area for years. I personally know that there's some concrete in there and when you pile concrete under the soil, it creates voids. And is, uh, is that land? Has anybody tested? See if it's stable enough to hold 10 buildings. And across the street there are other condominiums of the same type, uh, townhouses.
There's 17 of 'em in two buildings. I question how are they gonna put 10 buildings in an area that's about the same size as that you have any questions of? Not really that Question. We haven't had any presentation Right. Sent to us. So this is a little, little difficult for us to, This Will give you a little Well, no, I, I, I watched the, the, some of us watch the city council meeting and, and guys, some of the presentations, like normally, especially when we have a problem like this, that way they can answer the questions that you po mm-hmm.
Like, but, but like Jay said, is it is a simple zone, not a simple zone change, but it's a zone. Mm-hmm. And really, we're not here to get into what they're building or what they're just, there, There would be When they actually proposed something, there would be another hearing like this where you could see What is being, Then you can get into the meeting with David Ball. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Jerry Brown. I'm at 52 Tender Road. I'll just give you a quick, uh, handout. This is what was proposed by the planners at the First City Council, uh, meeting. And I know it's with the proposal, it's not been set in stone, but this is what they proposed at
that city council, uh, meeting. As you can see, this is, uh, this is the proposed development. I give you a reference plan here, what you're looking at on Canary Road right here. Um, that's the, the pipeline is, is here. So they're looking to potentially put 32 apartments, condos into that small, small area property. I've, I've lived with my wife and I, we, we purchased 52 Ary Road, which is directly adjacent to 44 Road about three years ago.
We're here in opposition of the zone chain. We want to keep our neighbor consistent to that. What it was when we purchased a, a whole area there is rural residential. This proposed plan, changing the zone from rural residential to residential C or the application was filled out. Commercial day is completely unprecedented in the city of Westfield. We studied the 2024 zoning map. And nowhere in the city of Westfield do you find rural residential neighborhoods, single family homes with residential seed
popped in the middle of. And that's what this proposal would do. It would directly and negatively impact the way my family's enjoyed our property over the last 23 years and how we'd hope to enjoy our property, um, for the next 23 years. So that's why we're here. We're here in, in opposition of it. Attached to that paper, you'll find petition of, uh, 38 signatures, 38 homeowners in that neighborhood, 28 of whom are listed abutters who are in opposition, uh, of this zoning, uh, change. We don't have any objections to
property owners developing that land in the name of, um, a housing crisis in the state of Massachusetts. But we want to keep it consistent, what it's been for the last hundred years, which is rural residential. We're gonna develop that land. We want it to be residential homes, not, not commercial buildings that are planned in there to create traffic issues. Uh, and quite frankly, I, I've spoken with a lot of the abutters and they've all expressed the same concern about how they enjoy their property, how this will negatively, negatively affect it.
We think it fits under the category of spot zoning. Spot zoning is when you, you change the zoning for a particular person or family, which in this case would be the property owners at the detriment to the surrounding abutters, which is what we found with our research in, in this petition. So, you know, spot zoning is, is not something that I don't think anybody wants to do. Certainly not in the name of a housing crisis. And like I said, you know, a housing crisis be that as it may, it shouldn't take away our rights as
citizens of Westfield to maintain the consistency of our neighborhoods and what we invested in when we purchased our homes, developed a prop, developed a property that consistent with the existing neighborhood, which is rural residential. That that's what we're asking, um, you guys to give as a recommendation to the city council moving forward. I appreciate your time. Do you have any questions for me? Thank you. Very well said. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and think that, uh, everybody's gonna be saying about the same thing.
So yes. And in the interest of not, you know, if you wanna speak, great. You're welcome. Um, I think you've got a vibe for, uh, what everybody in the room is feeling, and I think maybe we should have a little discussion and make a recommendation. I would love to add one more thing. Sure. I'm Gary's wife. Um, and so I was at the first meeting and um, I do wanna just read one thing too. I have to pull our, get Your name and Address. I'm Stacy Route. I live 52 Tary Road. Thank you.
And so when we purchased our home, um, it just talked about the value of our home and it said high estimated land value due to the scarcity of buildable land in this subject's area. And so I think that just reminds all of us that that property, when we purchased it was a single home. Um, and there was no, we didn't move in next to something that we saw as becoming 32 condo. Again, just something that promised us something that our home was valued on and our decision was made upon. Um, in addition, I did wanna call back to that setting of precedent because I think it's important. I certainly don't wanna be the district that becomes a one
that everyone else starts dropping in residential seat for their convenience in other neighborhoods. Um, I do notice that they requested a continuance. And one thing I will say is, um, we did speak with, um, Councilman Rey, and he did say that at the first meeting I didn't request a continuance and I could have, which would have put us in a different position today. And one thing I feel a little bit, um, I have feelings about is the fact that no one said to me is the one person in there. And I'm clearly just a citizen. No one said, ma'am, you have a couple options at this point. I wasn't afforded options to say, you can request a continuance
or if you're comfortable with things, you can let us go ahead and vote. I wasn't given that opportunity. And multiple Derek sent his letter out to multiple, um, council people and they've all written back. Some of them have suggested we get a petition. Some of them have suggested the zoning board of appeal. Um, but I didn't get any of that from, um, our work representative and I didn't get it that night. And so I just wanted to share that with you just because my position here today, I definitely feel as if I had known and I looked through the counsel, looked through all the counsel documents to find out if there is something that states what
citizens can request at a meeting. I haven't found that, I found policy and procedure in Robert's rules, but I haven't found anything clearly stating what I could have requested and what that would've meant for my situation. So thank you very much. Okay. Pete, can I share my screen? Oh, this is the, um, the area, this is the property we're talking about. It's, um, road mm-hmm. Tannery. Um, the parcel here, I think the applicant's requested commercial A because there's commercial A nearby the pizza store in the corner. Um, commercial A is would allow
for residential development as well as small scale commercial. Um, I think at the council there was some talk about changing that re C would be acceptable to them that would allow the same, essentially the same residential development. Commercial A would allow and somehow re B might have seen more, uh, palatable to people. Um, but what's before you now and what was filed is a, a change to rural residential to commercial aid. So that's what's currently the petition. Could you Hold that 44 up? Can you enhance that larger?
Yep. I'd like to point out that Tannery Road, can you put your arrow on your cursor on tannery road right at 44, that's all they have for street frontage. That other line that goes across, that's the right of way for the, for the gas line or the water line. How many feet is that, sir? It's not very much less than 50 Feet. Um, but it is already a developed property. So, and behind and beyond that it's all filled. If you take the time to drive by 44, you'll see that it goes from road level and goes up to where they've dumped fill to try
to enhance from the road frontage out. I I will say if, if Springfield water and sewer, if that's petition to be changed, they should have been a party to this application if they are the landowner. In fact, some of these areas are actually easements not actually owned in fees. So, But my point being, it's not clear in contrast to what this gentleman just said to the green, that's already the way these people want it. Look at the road frontage that they all have and the access from Kenry road, whereas this particular parcel does not.
Jay, I also wanted to raise a point in the city council meeting, they amended it on the floor to residential C and that was an interesting proposal because during the meeting, there must have been a June 5th meeting that wasn't part of the list that we were all invited to, but it's where they first presented it. And then apparently Mr. Beltran had a meeting with you and they talked about could we amend it? It's stated in the video, um, could we amend this on the floor? Is that something we could do? And they did it right there in the meeting and they said, okay, uh, the developer asked how can we go ahead and make this happen? He said, we can do it right now.
And they said, okay, it is now c Yeah, I think that misrepresented, um, had relayed, but the council has the ability to massage what is originally proposed when what filing comes out. So if it's a major change from what was originally filed, it would need to go through the hearing process again. Uh, but this board, all this board knows is it's cha proposed change to commercial A, but you could certainly recommend residency or, So it is probably gonna work to your advantage that this, it is here to us for re uh, rural residential
to commercial A, that you know, that that's a big leap if you ask me. So, uh, But it's on record is C so I really have questions about that in the city council meeting. So, but that's for them. They're asking us a and that's what we're gonna vote on tonight. Residential, a Commercial A, I'm sorry, commercial A. Well, we understand small business can be in store, small businesses like that, but there was no no no proposed plan presented to us,
which you have a photograph of of any small. And that's why the city council kind of went back and forth with 'em and said, looking at your proposed plan here, it doesn't seem like you want commercial A, it seems like you'd want a residential C. And then they agreed and move forward. But I, I found that interesting that they would fill out an application for commercial A with no plans for business and then end up with commercial C, which to me, and, and, and what I've researched stop zoning, um, I, I just found it all very, uh, So if I had the wager, I would say they looked at
here and said, we're just expand this zone that's already there as opposed to dropping in a brand new conceived zone that's nowhere near the, the thing. Um, but both in terms of what they're conceptually talking about, some type of multifamily housing, both of those zones have the same regulations. So do that under either scenario. If you zoom out, uh, when's the next time you hit some of that? This Yeah, that's, well that's, that's the commercial A and this is the property here. Right. But I mean other than that piece, Other commercial A yeah.
Um, they're mostly in town, like in neighborhood Area. So between those two pieces, there are hundreds of residential. I have them all flat. Yeah. I know how these were like in probably back in like the eighties, that one put change to commercial a to accommodate someone's project. Yeah, I mean it's several parcels and all this is residence a and rural residential, several apartments complexes in this area that don't fall under those zones. Like you couldn't
Do multi-family. Would you mind if I just point out something resident say, I just wanna give you some context. I'm not sure How familiar you're with this area, but this is Route 10 and 2 0 2 Southwick Road. It's a state highway. This is Tannery Road here. Excuse me, this is Tannery Road here. Um, Did you go to a satellite? So, So this is all State Highway. This is commercial, commercial, uh, apartments. Uh, and this is Gigi's Pizza. Um, this is a convenience store. It's all on 10 and 2 0 2 or very close to it. Um, you know how busy 10
and two oh is right before Southwick Road? That's, that's this right here in Southwick is right here. So when you turn down Tannery Road, after you get past that, it's a single family home, a single family home, another, another. This is 44, the property in question. It also has a single family home on it that they're looking to demolish. Here's my property, another single family home and then nothing but single family homes, rural, residential, all the way into Southlake. What they want to do is take this single family home, 44 Tannery Road, demolish it, put in a road here over the, the pipeline and put 32 units buildings here.
So all these abutters on Shannon Lane who have objected and signed this petition would be seeing buildings right on their property lines where they once saw Woods and Wildlife. And we would have the same issue with our property here where I have a right of way over the pipeline. I would see commercial buildings where I'd only ever expected to see residential homes. And it's what we all invested and have been paying, uh, taxes for for the past, You know, 20, 30, you know, this third, third generation Families in here, 60 Years second race and you wanna make it a third, but yeah, something to say.
You go back, come on up. My name is Susan Ello. I'm one 20 Shannon Lane. I have this describing the right of way that we got back in 1983. We purchased our home in 1977 and we had questions about what that right way was that goes behind our house and it states in our deed that there's a one rod right away that cuts through my property and my neighbor's property. So we are part owner of that right away also because we were told way back, we bought it
and had questions about it because of an issue with a person who lived at the 44 that she could not stop us from going down that road. We could put a driveway in the back if we wanted to. We used to have an opening back there. We wanted to come in the back way and they said, you know, we could use it because it on our property and I they can't just block it off. I mean, and when Walter was saying something about after how many years or was it a done deal? I've been using it 60 years. Zoom was, used it back a hundred years. Yeah. And I don't even know,
like if these were homeowners back then, I mean, I don't recognize any of the names, but there's a letter from the engineering health department engineering, I guess I just got from engineering this week where it shows my property. What number are You? One 20 Shannon Lake. Okay. Over here. And there's a point to my property in the one 28th. And, and it goes across the right of way, correct? Correct. In the second 1 28. 1 12 1 12 1. I'm sorry.
Yeah. Where is it on this map here? Which one is find? I'm looking right here. Okay. Here's my property right here. And here's his property. They'll list the Real addresses Here. Okay. And you can see the dotted line right there. Our property comes over here and the dotted line proposal. So that road would go away and it states it right on the deed that there's a one rod right on the Yeah. And the only point of this hearing is whether that piece should change color. I don't think anybody would object if they put a one or two single family houses there,
or maybe a small little condo unit or something. But 32, I mean, when you see the map that we saw one of my neighbors, it would be coming. I mean, she'd be sitting in her backyard and they'd be right there. So, I mean, that zone change doesn't bind them to doing anything or not something. So they can stay, they're gonna do that and do anything else that the zone would allow. But it Opens the door for the, I feel like it's a minimization of the zone changing what, what you're saying because the change to color is changing the zone. Right? So now we're going from single family homes,
rural residential to, you can put an apartment complex in. When I spoke to John Beran myself, he said if it got changed to, what was it, commercial A, he said, oh, he could get the zone changed to commercial A and then he could decide he doesn't wanna do what he proposed he wanted to do and he could just sell the land and somebody could buy it and put store there. I'd like to read, um, residential C, it said, according to the West Hills zoning, it said it's intended to accommodate the full range of housing types, including single family dwellings, two family dwellings
and multiple family dwellings at the higher densities appropriate in the established urban neighborhoods. I mean, the language is there and it's there as to protect their rights. And it's the responsibility of the city to uphold what is written, What collectively, based on what we're hearing the position and the recommendation. Yet I think I, you know, I, I borrowing what they're saying about all the condos in there, it's area. My biggest problem is in spot zoning. My, that's my opinion too. It, because yeah, there's the other one there,
but those are the only two of that type of zoning in that whole area. And we, I'm death against doing that anymore than we've already done too much of it over fast. Well, Jay, correct me if I'm wrong, if they tore that house down and left it rural residential, they could only build one house 'cause of the frontage. Right? They could bill more on that. Again, I'm not clear on the, I'm Not clear on the frontage with the water line. If you read the deed, it seems to include that's part of their property.
So whatever the rural residential zoning would allow it. Large, 150 foot white wa lots then that could potentially be divided. But not, not into much unless they put a subdivision road In. They're putting a Subdivision road in just down the road, the same, the same pipeline, um, on Holly Drive. That's what they're doing right now. Yeah. So that, that pipeline is getting used now for, so that's probably what's gonna happen. If you're not familiar with the land that we're talking about tonight, I'm encouraging you
before you make your decision to please at least look on Google Maps to see it. If not, if you're not making it tonight, I'd encourage you to drive by and see what they've done since featured Lance's past, I've been a resident for, well 52 years, my parents have owned it. And now I have inherited the house. Um, we just, my husband and I just put a lot of money into the house with no thoughts of leaving because I love the area. Um, I love the wildlife, I love the land. And I particularly wouldn't have done that knowing that
there's going to be multiple condominiums. That's not the area that I wanna live. I want my grandchildren to come. Please think about that. To me, I think most of us have been by, I went by it three times today and I noticed, I was noticing it's been such an eye that was a real mess there mm-hmm. Recently. And it has cleaned up. And I do wonder about that, that road, there's that one road That's the right of way, that's the right of way that, that people from Shannon Lane we were talking about, that they have legal access to, to their property on Shannon Lane. It goes all the way back into Shannon Lane where they have the access to the rear portions
of their property legally. So it's, it's a consideration too. And the one rod seems to be 16 feet, so it seems I had to look that up One rod. That's what it's said, Something like that. We're testing And as you see from the turnout, this is a great area in a community. And just because Tary begins where there happens to be, um, commercial aid doesn't invalidate the fact that it extends every, every development in somewhere. And I brought the map and I tagged every single place where commercial A exists. There is no infiltration of that a into any residential neighborhood.
It typically exists connected to something else. It's logically placed. Um, and I will say the only place that it exists is the defunct city view. Yeah. That the city view commons off the city view road. That old development that failed maybe 30 years ago. But even that as a consideration, you could see what the city might have been thinking because it was so isolated. And the road leading up to it, it's probably a half a mile long. Uh, but again, that's with the exception of that there, it's, it's unprecedented. There's no other area in the city of West City you'll find on that zoning map where residential sea is plopped in the middle of residential A
So they thought that's the residency of this piece right there. And it was still single family homes, even though it was sea, they Essentially built neighborhood of single family homes. So it was, you'd understand why the city would, would make an, an exception there, but there hasn't been an exception since. And that was over 30 years ago. And that's what we're asking just to keep our neighborhood consistent with what, what it has been and what we purchased into it for. And the only other place that's even currently up for any type of rezoning is the baseball fields that are, uh, where Fenton Leasing is on Main Street.
They're looking to build condos and they're looking to take a large area that's residential a with some, some floodplain concerns and turn that into fields. So yes, it exists, but nothing like ours. Ray, do you have anything to say? Sorry about that. Uh, can you hear me? Hear me? Yes. Uh, I, I'm, uh, I'm looking over the zoning right now and I, I have to, uh, lean on the side of the public as, as this, uh, is going on. And I am ready to make a motion at any time you're ready to accept Further discussion. Someone else? I I'm ready for his motion. Go ahead. Ready?
I'd, uh, I'd like to make a negative recommendation to city Council for 44, uh, tannery Road and the zoning change. Change. I'll second that. Okay. Joel? Yes. Uh, rich? Yes. Bernie? Yes. Right. Yes. And I yes as well. Sorry, That's a yes for a negative recommendation to commercial A, correct? Correct. Don't worry. City council, never listen to this. That's my next question. We'll be back. We,
What's the next step? So I can unofficially tell you what, typically what happens is they have a city council meeting. They send the issue to a committee. Um, sometime the committee includes us. They ask for our recommendation. Our recommendation will then go to that committee. That committee will discuss it. I will go to that committee meeting. 'cause those are the people that make the city council recommendation to the city council. From there it goes to the full city council to make the bottom. So there's, there's two more steps afterwards. And you say committee, is there a name for that committee?
Do we know which council members there? There's probably half a dozen. It's probably the zoning planning and development committee. Will we receive notifications about that or is it up to us to continue to check for that? No, there's no more public hearings. Um, but you can watch the agendas, But you can participate if you show up, right? Yeah, but they may, because it was public hearing. They may say you had a chance at public hearing. So not taking the comment. Um, we, But some of us haven't. Unless your property was abutting. We found out later.
Well, everyone within 300 feet was now notice. Oh, landowners. When you make a rec, rec, sorry, recommendation. Mm-hmm. Do you include the questions that we have about right of ways, the city Springfield property, the property that was billed. Um, does that qualify? Does that qualify as part of the building area or does that have to be like Mr. Harris said, does that have to be tested? Because dump trucks are dumping stuff there six, seven years ago. You, um, at this point you just have a motion for a negative recommendation to commercialize.
You wanna add any more suggestions or comments? Um, you certainly can do that in the report. Can we make a motion, someone make a motion to include the minutes from our meeting, which has all the questions, Chris, right. I, I'll make that motion. Do we include the minutes of meeting or the recommendation? I'll second. Okay. Bill? Yes. Frank? Yes. Rich? Yes. Yes. And uh, yes. Yes. Okay. So now, now the minutes will be attached to our recommendation. So the questions that you asked would be included
with the uh, responses. Oh, quick question. So I hear you saying a negative recommendation to changing it to residential. A commercial, Commercial, Commercial. A that was also mentioned as residential seats. So does that need to be clarified that there's a negative recommendation for it? Either That's the city council. I I, last thing I wanna do is push you off on someone else. That's not what I'm doing. They asked us our opinions of re rural residential to commercial aid. That's all we can make a recommendation. So It would be the petition that filed. That was the petition that was filed.
That's what this hearing is on. Alright. If the board wanted to make comments about whether residency is appropriate or not, you can include that as part of your recommendation. I Would appreciate that. Sent it stated that they have amended it and they the GLE on it in the meeting or Mm-hmm. That's, that's our, our major, major objection is residential C because that's what the plans involve. And that's what we're objecting. Objecting. Yes. I'm, I understand your, your your mission ve today. So what are you suggesting, Jay? Or I mean that what's possible. That's what they talked about. And frankly I think no, it could be argued
that's a significant enough change that they need to have a new hearing, new notice and hearing. But that's the city council to decide. They tried to speak. They've had that discussion there. Jay, with all due respect the conversation in the city council meeting. Um, Mr said I spoke with You Yes, yes. About it. And so he did. I he spoke with you and said, I think he misrepresented what I, I said, I said that council is empowered to tweak whatever is original proposed. Well, maybe we need to see the minutes of the city council meeting. They're, I couldn't Find them online
Yet. They're allowed to come in with an application for one plan, but when they hit a roadblock asking they can change it in the meeting. I wouldn't say that's proper. I'd said city council, once they've gone through the hearing of what's proposed and say, you know, we don't think this is a good zone, but actually residency might make sense. So the city council might come out and say, that's what we're gonna change. Now if the change is so different from what was originally proposed, they should have new hearing. Okay. If it's kind of consistent with, with the original,
Um, Things get tweaked all times. Committee. So like the chicken ordinance was proposed for X amount of chickens on exercise lots. What it, what came out after the committee was slightly different. So, um, it's up to council to decide if what they come out with after all these hearings is logically based on what was or originally filed, which is commercial A. That's kind of their call. If they think it's significantly different, it should come back for new hearings and do this. And what if it doesn't?
But what if they say, well we voted C and they were talking about they, you made a no recommendation for A, but they were proposing C. So it's clearly stated that C was the one. And so I feel like the minutes for this meeting should have been amended to reflect that change on June 23rd. But it wasn't Planning board. Right. I can say as, as a citizen of Westfield, I would go to that committee meeting 'cause that's where that's gonna come up. Mm-hmm. And make sure that they let you talk because they sent us commercial A, if they're talking about residential C being a different option,
that's a whole nother ball of wax that has to be addressed. Which technically wouldn't have a public hearing because we're here for commercial. You folks are here for listening for commercial A. Correct. Would residential C require public hearing place of, 'cause it was originally residential. If If the original, if what comes out for a final vote, it's substantially different from what was originally noticed and applied for should In, in your opinion, is that a substantial change? Um, I would say a different zone is a substantial change.
Although they represented a represented project that could be built under either zone zone. So just the significance of the zone change alone. I would think she would warrant another hearing. I think the city, well, city council could probably sway that same line. Probably same too. Because the big question to everyone and, and I wish I had asked that of the city council is, would anyone want this happening in their neighborhood? And, and that's the question. And we already know the answer. We are all open to supporting development housing and, uh, everyone is,
but not illegally, not in ways that are just compromising what we've all bought into as residents. So, so an argument might be, well we propose this more intense zone, but what comes out is actually a less intense resident C zone that's moving in a less intense direction and therefore it's within the context of the original. What does that mean In layman's terms? Help me as a, so just an after person, what did that just mean? So commercial A is slightly more intensive than com than residency, But Residency is still set aside
for urban neighborhoods, which tannery is not. I'm neither Shannon. Yeah, no. As well as commercial A, but I'm just saying one could make an argument that You're Moving from to a less, a zone closer to what it is now than what was originally proposed. And therefore that's not substantially Different Change. That's an argument could Make. This unit could be dealt in either commercial a or residential state. The same exact Unit's, the same residentially, it's the same regulations.
So there's no Difference Either way. But again, the zone change is not bind, you bind anyone to any specific Project, But the change Could be potential. We, we have been closed and voted on for about 15 minutes. We're having more conversation after the hearing. We didn't, there's Nothing we can do. We can't do a single thing from this. Yeah, We didn't actually technically close anyway. Do that. Probably voted. What do you wanna do? Public hearing? You voted well,
You don't need to vote again. You've already done Alright. Can we motion I make a motion for the public hearing. Second bill. Yes. Brian. Yeah. Rich. Yes. Ray. Yes. Yes. Sorry. Contract. So If there's anything you wanna deliberate on amongst yourselves on this, you can do that. Whatever. Any more comments? No more public comment. The second matter, um, special permit, site plan, storm water for zero Southampton Road retail contractor shop.
That's also continued. So we've received a request to continue on that. Obviously the board's only got five members, so the next regular meeting date is August 19th. Thank you very much. 45. Thank you. You all younger The age before beauty. Tell my wife. Yeah. Well I meet at four so you can proceed if just to continue. Motion we continue until August 17th. August 19th. Vote for no. Yes. Chris Ray. Yes. I'm a yes. Continue.
Uh, any other special announcements or activities? Yeah, you can't make a motion. You can John. I, John I think you he'll, you're holding the record. No I'm not. I blew it. Thought I had it. Here he is. Make a motion to adjourn everybody. Uh, a roll call. Need a roll call? Yeah. Bill? Yes. Yes. Rich. Yes. Ray? Yes sir. Yes, John? Yes.