No. You like. Good evening everybody. It is, uh, seven o'clock on Tuesday, March 18th, and we are calling the planning board meeting to order. Um, before you get going, if you look around, we have a slightly shuffling of, um, people, and we're doing this in conjunction with welcoming our newest member, uh, Dylan Sweeney. Right over there. Um, Dylan has been appointed as second alternate position now he resides in Ward three and he replaces the vacancy left
by Bernie Za when Bernie was brought to full matter. First on the agenda, it's public participation on any matter, not subject to a public hearing. Anybody want to talk about anything in the city that's not subject to our public hearing? Um, we have a, um, next is review and approval of our Meeting, Our 3, 4 25 meeting. I'll make a motion to approve a minutes for March 4th. You guys just speak up a little more second? Yes. So I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from March 4th. Cheryl, I a second? Second.
All Those in favor? Aye. Aye. Um, next would be A and r. Since we have none, we're moving on to public hearing, um, as I do every meeting. Um, just want to do a quick read. Uh, today we have zoning, uh, permits, site plan approval. After the applicant's present, the proposal board members will begin asking, uh, their questions. We will then invite the public to ask questions of fact. We will have a separate time for the public to speak in favor of or against the motions. When we recognize you, please come to the microphone,
give your name and address, and direct all questions and comments, uh, to the board, not to the applicant. You'll see me scribbling questions down. The purpose of our public hearing is to allow the board members to collect evidence and testimony supporting or contradicting the published legal findings that we are required to make, to approve or deny an application. We cannot act outside the bounds of the zoning ordinances nor Stormor ordinance were also sought. Please understand public hearings are not a community referendum nor a town meeting.
We ask that you keep the comments civil and positive remembering, we are all neighbors working to move Westfield forward. While you are free to express your opinion, ultimately and legally, the board can only deliberate on findings of fact not on yours or our Personal opinions. First on the agenda is Irena and family LLC. For special permit site plan, stormwater permit, Brazil new ordinance three dash 1 33 5 and six dash 10 dash and four dash one 10
to develop motor vehicle sales facility at 1 98 Lock House Road. And, um, for today's meeting, um, the chair, um, recognizes Rich Sooy as the voting member for uh, Phil McEwen. Hi guys. Hello, Uh, my name's Cole Modesto, our Associates 40 School Street, Westfield. I'm here today Representative. Mr. Is this a good spot for the plans? Everyone I can move around. Wanna see it better? Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. Uh, I guess we're you wanna hear me? Good. Uh, we're proposing, uh, a motor vehicle sales facility,
180 8 lock house road. Uh, it's zoned industrial and surrounded by industrial zone. And I guess I'll just kind of walk through the plans on what's existing there. Right now, currently there is a wood frame house and, and a associated the rod with concrete pad. It is wooded and grassed mostly there are two existing curb cuts. The, uh, proposed project will also have two curb cuts, generally the same location as well. Uh, there's an existing sewer tie in overhead, electric and water, just the houses, uh, the
railroad is on the rear property line. Uh, and the slight, the, the site generally slopes to the, uh, to the south. And we're gonna kind of be maintaining similar topography as you'll see. So the client's proposing to build five new buildings, uh, as long as an addition onto the house. Uh, this will be used for office purposes. Uh, so the, the five buildings will be for this. The main building will be for repair, uh, of the vehicles to be sold. Uh, the other buildings as, as listed in our, our garages to be, uh, stored parts and vehicles that are actively being worked on
or not, just not ready to be out on the display lot. Uh, there'll be display parking out in the front, uh, the 20% ed parking incident provided as well. Uh, display parking outside, uh, there will be a gated access along back here. So back in portion will be gated off from public access unless the only ones that like to open it up to it. Um, dumpsters on the north end of it. Easy access in and out for the drivers. Um, guess there's so concrete pad being proposed outside of the building.
About 20 feet, 20, sorry, 25 feet, 20 feet on this building. Yeah, we Have lighting for it all. One more basin is in that southwest corner. Um, kind of with the lower, taking the natural low point on the site, which I'll show you. So trying to generally maintain a typical grading pattern of the site, as I mentioned, is falling kind of north south ish onto the site off. Mostly it's heading off through the butters, which so will actually be reducing that. Uh, the storm, the basin is sized too. And through the a hundred year storm, uh, well,
well designed for, uh, to take on that flow. Uh, the pavement area will, will just be in that front area as designed right now. Um, will, minus the concrete pads, uh, will be two low points on the front area, uh, kind of capturing all water before it goes off onto the street as well as a low point in the cement rear area for the basin. And all of this will be, as you see on the next sheet, being pipe and directed to the well deep sun hood catch basins, water quality units, and then infiltration basin Showing us what you're seeing. We can't see,
Oh, I'm sorry. You can't see that? No, I can't see anything you guys want. If you can take that microphone and go out there and show what you're showing over there, Jay can change the screen. Sure, sure. Thank You. Sorry about that. Yeah, I guess, uh, utilities block you off just as, So as I just mentioned, the two low points will be capturing all the, all the water run up. Where it goes to the street, um, is as well as there'll be a low point here for this rear area.
Uh, the water will have, there will be treatment train is deep sun hood catch basins. It'll be in a water quality unit to, uh, to remove all the sation of it. And it'll be conveyed to the sediment four bays. So to collect even more sedimentation. And then it'll be into the infiltration basin where it'll then infiltrate and, and it'll be say, clean water by then. Uh, sewer, the, the only work kind of being proposed into the street will be the water sewer. Uh, it will be tying into the existing manhole, avoiding any, uh, doghouse manhole structure
or anything will be going into the existing manhole. Uh, the, the sewer. There are also one thing I'd like to point out there. Oil, water separator units proposed for all the buildings, uh, to that are gonna have overhead doors in order. This is so that way, you know, if anything were to be spilled internally, you know, it's, it is trapped inside of those systems. So all the garages are all equipped to pipe to that. Yeah, I guess, uh, I'll flip over to the landscaping. There's the next, next sheet. It should be, uh,
That is landscaping. Oh, I'm just looking at the grayed out version of it. Sorry. Yeah, I guess, uh, sorry. Landscaping, uh, that we were proposing a six foot vinyl stockade fence along the northern and southern sides of it. Uh, the back is railway property, so we're kind of, we're just proposing chain link fence in the back. Uh, there will be gated access, as I mentioned it before, a sliding gate. Uh, the plantings are like nice shrubbery are, are being proposed along the front, uh, as well as some supplemental trees we're trying to avoid.
There is an easement going, there's an, the overhead power line easement going through the site. If you'll notice these, these two, it's uh, 50 feet on each side of the power lines. It'll be running through the site. So we can't put any, any larger plantings or trees underneath that. And so we're trying to avoid messing with any, the power lines for sure. Uh, anything else I need to go, I guess, uh, like to turn on the board, you guys have any questions I'd love to answer. Could you, um, Explain to me type of cars new used
and about how many cars you plan on having in the display area parked out front? Yeah, so there's, uh, so there's the allotted, uh, let me go back to, there's the, uh, display parking, which will be provided form provided along the front and side. Uh, this will be for the car itself. Uh, there's about 22 spaces. Uh, I believe the client, you, you do need to get to, uh, get a license to, uh, based on how much parking and that will determine how many cars you can, uh, propose to sell. So, sorry, I turn that towards you. I see. See
It? Yeah, I, I can see it. Thank you. Oh, I, Um, there will be no cars for sale that are stored inside at all. The car, the cars being sold, stored inside are cars like b to be worked on, you know, just, just repair parking as well as parts and repair. Yes. So you may have some cars that will eventually come outside that will be inside to be, you know, fixed up and Up. Right. Like, so this, this is the repair building. The intent is to put a car in there, work on it, you know, fix up whatever needs to be do. And then we'll go out there, move off onto the lot to be sold. So Just those parking spaces will be used for the display cars?
Correct. Thank you. You're showing the main repair shop then a large storage building, plus you've got the original garage and is already in place on the property. The three small garages. What purpose are they gonna be serving A purpose for? Uh, parts vehicle storage as Well. But that's what you said you can use a large storage area for. Right. So the garages are all supplementing in that, you know, the more cars you can get in to work on, you know, the better for Business. Okay. So they could use those to work on the cars then as well as store parts in it or No.
Do you want to talk about The use of your, Some small building is gonna be used for a, a small mover or some pla one small for equipment, which I need to use on the property key. And another one is gonna be some four vehicles. Some four parts. Okay. How, how many cars are you Gonna have there and how many are you servicing? That's, I'm a little confused because you see all these buildings and I'm just trying to get a, an idea of how many cars you're looking at storage and servicing.
Well, I'll be giving an exact number on how many cars will be like internally being serviced. I mean, they'll be housed inside and being worked on, you know, inside the buildings. But as far as what will be on the lot will be what his license will allow him to. So, Alright. So you have these i these smaller garages. I'm just trying to understand that's where these vehicles are gonna be housed as well as serviced. And in the big building, the seven 200 square foot that says storage, what exactly, Uh, park parks and vehicles that, that are not ready to be be, uh,
put lot sort. That's a big building. So, so vehicles be stored in there that are gonna be worked on as well as Well also like, uh, fixing the rv bigger one campers. So like, uh oh, okay. So that, that's why we, we need a big building. Okay. So You can put one or two of them and So then you Cannot use a small building for that one, you know. Okay. So you're gonna be working on both RVs. So the RVs would be for this big building and then the smaller buildings would be for like smaller vehicles? Yeah. Like are we talking cars, trucks? Right.
All the vehicles permit permitted to be under the, uh, motor vehicle sales use and Any heavy trucks, All the vehicles will, uh, That will fit. Yeah, I mean everything that he's permitted to, to work on sell as, as per the zone orders is gonna allow, is what will be worked on. So, So he could work on tractor Trails mostly of the vehicles, RVs. So Not, not commercial truck vehicle? No. So like, uh, small trucks, Uh, like pickups. Pickups. Okay. Smaller vehicles? Not, not the commercial trucks. Okay. So not like the front end of the tractor.
Oh, I'm sorry. You meant like, uh, like big Mac trucks? Yes. I'm trying to get an idea of where he's looking. No, more of like a smaller Regular dealer. Not that I'm not sure. Big truck. Okay. And then the other question I have is all those beautiful trees that are standing all in that, in that, on that eight ridge, what would actually be taken down? Are you clearing that out or are you leaving any of them standing up? 'cause you've got several, some beautiful pines sitting in there in the front. So I'm just curious of what you'd be cutting down. It should be more, majority of the site will need to be cleared in order to make this project work. Um,
So you are gonna a clear cut For the majority of it. There will be some, there will be a lot of, lot of trees gone. Um, I mean as the existing tree line, it's kind of along this rear end of it that's the only would be brought back to the property lines. So the ones that are facing right on the road of lock house, those will be taken down as well, you're saying? Yes. O Obviously we'll go, it is in the right of way. So we'll go through the prompter process of that. But Ohs that big ones on the front, if you just like go from one on another driveway, which one I have now of the system. So it's like you can see a car in the last side
because it's a little corner Road closing sight line Danger for, for going in and out if, if we will keep them. So that's, that's danger. Do you have a driveway right there? Yeah, That's their driveway. So with all these proposed buildings and and the maintenance you're intending to do and auto sales you're intending to do, um, there, are there gonna be vehicles sitting outside through, through the night, uh, that still need to be maintained? Or are they gonna be put inside Anything with like some active, like open vehicle? Obviously, I mean if No, that's not what I asked. Vehicles that are being maintained,
are they gonna be sitting out in the lot all night? Are they gonna be parked inside Maintained as in being like serviced and repaired, correct? Yeah, the service, most of the service and repair will be occurring in the garages. Uh, other vehicles are school door be stored for, uh, You know, so there'll be no vehicles that are being worked on parked outside overnight, Unless I misunderstood that. I believe all the vehicles to be worked on will be in housed internally. Okay. I thank Don. They go outside, They just said they'll be inside, But then when they're finished being worked on, if, If now they're ready to be sold, they'll be on in the a lotted display spaces So there wouldn't be owners coming to pick the vehicles up.
I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about sales and vehicles that I'm talking about customers that are having cars maintained? Correct. Oh, okay. Um, that's a good question, Scott. Sorry, we have like on the back, we have a maintenance on which one with a fence. Mm-hmm. So if we, for example, somebody will live if we don't have a space inside, so it's gonna be under the fence. So I can not on the frontage. So once, once you repair, If I understand correctly, because my English a little, I
I believe he's trying to ask like if, if, if like I went into get my, some of my vehicle service repaired wherever I broke on it and then I finish it, it'll be, it'll be ready to be picked up. It'll be stored Inside. So if we have a space Yeah, sure. Like I figured If not, so we'll keep it under the fence in that area in the back, not, not gonna be from road. Okay. Are any of these cars being bought at auction when you work and then sell 'em? Yeah, we'll do, but we don't do, uh, any body work or stuff like that. So we'll, we'll use a body shop or body shop, just do like maybe door replace
or something like that, you know, easy, easy stuff. Okay. So you can buy the vehicles from, From an Auction. An auction or I can come down to you and say, can you fix my vehicle? So you have, that's one of those options. Yeah. So just to, to uh, make a little clear, so this zone, this industrial a zone does not allow motor vehicle service as a use. Um, so any servicing would have to be accessory to the sales use. So So you're saying somebody couldn't bring their car in to have it serviced.
It's only the cars that are going to be sold that could be serviced. Is that what you're Saying Shane? Well, the, the language in the ordinance is repair and servicing of motor vehicles provided said repair and servicing is conducted as an accessory use secondary to the principal use. So it's a primarily a vehicle sales facility and servicing Just like your standard dealership. That's not how I can say that. What I just heard Jay say was you can only do service on vehicles that he's selling is what I think Jay just said. Well, it doesn't exactly say that it says conducted as an accessory, the primary
Use Accessory and secondary use. You'd be able to service a vehicle that you had sold. But if I just came to you and I hadn't bought a car from you, if I understand it correctly, they wouldn't be able to repair my car if I didn't buy it there. I think there's some interpretation there. I would say if it, if it turned in more of a repair facility than a sales facility, that would not align with the ordinance. So as long as mostly a vehicle sales use, um, Which Is what I, Yeah. Regardless of whose vehicle, What I heard j say is as long as the sales
of vehicles is primary, then they can do some repair of other vehicles. Hypothetically, he sells, uh, 20 cars a month. Okay. And repairs five cars a month and then all of a sudden the, the, the, the car car sales market dries up and now he's selling five cars. He can't turn around and start repairing 20 cars. That becomes a primary use. So, uh, you know, that's what I heard. Not, I don't, not sure I'm correct or not, but that's the way I interpret what, what I just said or
and that's what I read earlier. It it can't be the primary use. I don't know. That's how we went along on interpreting it as well. He will for sure. The majority of the business will be for the sale of the motor vehicles and then there will be some vehicles being fixed and repaired. But primarily this will be for motor vehicle sales. So, So the other question comes is how does the city monitor this? Yeah, I regulate. How does the city regulate this? We don't, we don't know unless we in theory look at his books, you know. So how does this, how does the city monitor this? I, I don't know.
Well, I think probably the outward manifestation of, you know, you're driving by, what is it does feel like a repair shop or does it feel like a sales yard? Okay. You he gonna be selling RVs outta here. Yep. He's gonna be bringing in RVs for repairs. Where are you gonna park the RVs? Because they won't put any of these parking place. Sure. I mean we got, we got some pretty good nine, nine by 19 on this side as, as well as there will be storage area in the back. Well, well you've got parking spaces on this side. None of those parking spaces will fit the class a motor
home, which is what he the, the building. He's putting up this size for a class A motor home. Uh, We, We will not usually Where are you gonna put 'em? We usually not using that class A, like a, which camp? Fixing the campers. Campers leaving the camper. My 27 foot camper won't fit in any of those parking spaces. There's plenty of, uh, area in the back for, for this to be stored and, and you know, I don't it obviously it'll be serviced internally. So is he selling campers too? Well, I what as provided that the zone nor allows us to sell the motor vehicles.
I have definition here for Yeah, I, I get what he is allowed to do. I get that. Okay. But, but well is that part of his focus can be selling RVs outta it? I mean the fo focus is on standard cars. Okay. That's the primary focus. So like I know she mentioned like, I have misinterpreted question as like commercial trucks. No. Is It, is it safe to say you don't know yet? 'cause you don't have the license yet. Once you get the license, you'll know what he's allowed to sell? No, his intent is, is clear on what, what the project is intended to be. You know, it's, it's kind of a classic dealership that that does some repair on the side as most, most dealers do.
So like a car sale that does repairs on the side, they sell cars and maybe a few campers on the side. Is that correct? Sound like your plan? Yes. Sounds Like side I, excuse me, but I believe I asked the question as to any cars or anything for sale are only gonna be parked in those parking spaces now you're telling me out back of that building if you needed to, you're gonna be, um, you're going to be sewing campers And so bulk of the cars will be as a standard car if the camper needs to be worked on, it'll be housed internally and uh, it can be stored internally as well and whatever can fit out front will certainly be posted out
front for everyone to display. But you would, where would you display the camper if you had it for sale? You said you'd put it in the back outside. I think what we're trying to avoid is to have cars parked up over the lot. Right. The front area will definitely be kept clean and accept accessible back area there. There's a few little bit area for some storage here. Okay. That's not what you told me before. If I, maybe I misunderstood what you said. Yeah, so they, sorry. The intent, the intent of the, of the rear gravel area is to be able to house any vehicles that aren gonna up front, uh, all all motor vehicles that of the cars
and maybe some like F-150 like trucks. They, uh, we'll be able to fit up here. Everything else will be high in the back. This will be handed off. Okay. Thank you. You welcome. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting That, that's, that's okay. Why I re-ask the question. Hours of operation, I believe we proposed standard hours. Seven. Seven, Okay. 7, 7 4 at seven days a week? No, no. Seven in the morning. Seven in the morning until seven at night. Yeah. I'm asking seven days a week. But, um, save, save your questions for when it's the public time please. So I'll ask that question then. Seven, seven. I
Figured it out. You might as well. Um, how many days a week? You hoping? Sundays Saturday. I believe the intent is to do like Monday through Saturday. Okay. Uh, Mr. S you don't wanna speak about that? Most likely Monday through Friday and maybe half day Saturday, Maybe a half day and Saturday. Yeah, but not, Not uh, Sundays. No Sundays, no Sunday Church. Yep. Thank you. Any signage? Uh, the signage being proposed? Uh, don't, I don't believe there is signage being correspondence There. I don't think there's any shown on the plan, but, uh, the, the response letter mentioned there would be
Some signage So you can ask to see That to come back. Information for that. Thank you. Lemme just jo that down before I forget. It says in here there will be a free standing sign up the northern access drive of the potential site. It said signage location will be called out on the construction plan set submitted for building permit. Oh, alright. Now I'm recalling the comment. Yes. So this was after the initial submission. So on the construction set and anything to be revised there will be shown sign on There. Okay, thank you.
Sure. Thank you. Just jotting it all down so I don't forget. Cole, I think there was some lighting, uh, questions. Do you have a revised lighting plan? Sure. Uh, I believe I know the questions you're talking about. Um, I don't have the revised plan but works right now, actually office right now. But, uh, so there, I believe one of the questions was to show us on half the, on the house side shielding of the lights that will be provided. All trespass will be kept onto the, the,
there'll be no light trespass over the property line. There'll be zero foot candles on it. I believe currently looking at the site is, uh, there's, right now there's 0.1 over, but we're gonna, we're gonna fix that and make sure there's no overage and as well as it's actually on, on the, sorry sound. But there will be shielded and there won't be any glare or anything trespassed onto any property land. So the 0.1 they're planning to fix with shields. 'cause I think that was the, the main question. Yeah. The 0.1 foot cameras will be addressed. It'll be found dumb, nothing.
Okay, thank you. Any consideration for, uh, screening with, uh, AEs or something to that nature? To the north, the house that sits right, right next to everything? Yeah. So we're, we're gonna do a six foot vinyl stockade fence. I believe that shows like the most greenage. So you're gonna have six, you not looking through and you're Gonna have a six foot fence, right? And wall packs at how high, Uh, the wall packs over the doorways are go to the big Go to the big building. Mm-hmm. Uh, the wall along the rear, there are no wall packs of this building, so it'll be completely blocked off. So, which is the bulk of that view.
So you're tell, so All on the wall, on the wall side on that property side. Mm-hmm. Uh, there's no wall packs proposed on that. So the next door neighbor with a six foot fence won't see any light in their yard, like, uh, going through their windows. Right? Right. There won't be any glare thrown through them. There are light, light poles that, you know, 16 feet, typical 16 foot high light poles. But there's, there'll be shielding on 'em. There'll be no glare onto those properties, Not buying it. Any other Questions? Yeah, Cole, can you help me understand the setbacks? Yes, sir. Because as I understand it,
the rear setback should be 25 feet and the side setbacks should be 15 feet based on three dash one 30.6. Yes sir. Um, so the side setback, were keeping the side within our, our property of the side setback. The rear setback. There's plus uh, 'cause you are budding and a railroad and the rear lot line is considered 25 feet from the center line of that railroad. And we're 30, 33 feet from that with them being another six feet into our property on that. So close to about 40 feet from, from our
what was gonna consider our, our rear Line. So you're considering that garage is the back, right? Yes. So the Closest vehicle to the, uh, building to the Rear. Okay. On the side, the big garage. Mm-hmm. That setback looks like 16 feet and it should be 2016 Feet on. This is on the sideline. Yes. Right. The 15 foot setback for that and the rear res where we getting the 25 for the railroad? Uh, if I'm reading it right,
it says side yard setback should be Okay. So Yeah, the building setbacks are 15, but on top of that, because they abut a residence is an, there's a 20 0 20 foot, 20 foot buffer requirement, which the board can waive. So buffer, not setback, but buffer meaning thickly planted, bent with fences or screens or whatever. Uh, I think they're, they're requesting a waiver on that 20 piece. 20 to a 16. Yeah. I mean it's, it's, if you call that a fence, it's a fence they're using to call the bumper, but it complies with the setbacks.
Jay, can you say that again? The 20, where's the 20 in the front? If you abut a residence and you're non-residential use, you need to provide a 20 foot planted buffer. The idea of being thick, 20 foot wide densely vision maybe what the ordinance and visions densely planted evergreen screen, um, to separate the properties. That's a waivable requirement from this board. Um, so that, that's kind of the, the higher standard, the 15 foot setback, it's not a buffer,
it's just a distance. And so they're meeting that with the buildings. Is Is that in addition? I'm sorry? Is that addition of the fence that they need the um, Not, not added to it. The fence could take the place of that. Well, it's up to the board to waive the 20 foot planted buffer if you wanna look under definitions of what the buffer planting strip is. Um, But that's waivable by this board. Okay. If you find a suitable substitute, often you have considered a fence to be a suitable substitute for the 20 feet. Sometimes you require a little more planting
to give it a little more height, maybe a little more separation. So, so the 15 feet you can't wave. But regardless the 20 feet is waivable for the buffer. So the back corner of the garage where it looks like it's like six feet mm-hmm. To the rear line. Okay. And 16 feet from the, from the sidewalk line. So, But to the railroad back, there's enough. Yes. So there's, we we're, the railroad is currently 33 feet from the center line Okay. To our property. And in keeping that, if that's what's considered the zonings considered that
as the, as the rear line. 'cause it's a railroad and it's, well on a residential side, we, it is, well on a side yard is we have 15 foot buffers, which we are showing at 16 feet at the, at the closest. And then I believe what Jay is talking about was the landscape buffer. If you have bought a residential side, these are industrial own properties, but there are, there's residence there. Uh, I believe the southern one is vacant, but the northern one, there's a residence there. So we are, we're trying to make as much as possible and showing the stomach fence in place of, uh, you know, I believe that shows the best amount of screen screening.
It's cleaning cleaner and uh, I think it's most well kept it easier to keep up with and you can't, you know, plants die don't look as well sometimes, But I think that that answers it. So, and then that little, uh, the building right next to the big building. What's that piece? No, the other way. Yeah. Going up towards the fence. What's the uh, this Is the Existing garage. Okay. What going up? What's That? This, the dumpsters. Okay. Does that fall under the easement area or not? Is it just the buildings?
No, it's just the, the buildings to be kept outside of the 15 foot. Okay. Thank you Sir. Thank you. You, You'll not have any type of oil change or any fluids or anything changed on any vehicles unless it is inside a building. Correct. It's stored internally, which in those buildings will also have floor drains. And those floor drains are connected to oil, water separators. Okay. Thank you. How do you plan on heating the buildings? Uh, electric, All electric heat, all the building's, all electric. So you're, you're not using waste,
waste oil to heat the buildings Electric? Yeah, now I'm using electric. Just And how are you just, uh, dispose of any, um, oil or windshield wipe fluid or any type of fluid that comes from a vehicle after you've changed it and you've got this used oil leftover? What's your plan to dispose of that? Well, it, uh, I believe it, it gets stored and then yeah, there's, Yeah, we have a special container company pick it up And then they'll come and pick it up. So that won't go down the drains or anything? No. Okay. I just wanna make Taller that that, Right.
I just wanna make sure that that's, they're not allowed. It's not allowed. We just want to keep that. Yeah, I'm just want to ask the question. Thank you. I have to ask this. As the former used car salesman, where's the sales guys gonna hang out? I believe, I believe in the office building. It's the house? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Because the, so that's the plan shows. So they were talking about using that as a residence for the owner. Is that not just for A type of purpose Plan to see, To see the construction project through And then it'll become an office? Yes. Okay. I still have a problem with the RVs
and where you're gonna put 'em. I just don't see any space for, for, for any kind of RVs in there. Trailers, you know, you get two or three trailers and there's just no place you fill your storage area up real quick. Uh, I just don't only see any place for it, for 'em to go. So you've got this, you've got this piece of property packed with so much stuff that I just don't see where you're gonna put 'em. Yeah. So the large proportion of the work will be for regulars, regular type of vehicles. Uh, and even like the RVs that should be worked on will be of the smaller type. Um, here's, it's gonna be, so maybe one 2%.
It's not going to be most of them. And I believe we can put somewhere, Um, can you lift that up so I can see where he's talking please? Yeah, I can correct. I wanna make sure they can See. Jake, you bring it up on Tv, it's gonna be mostly table. Okay. But those things are, are 19 feet, you know, and most Barb bs won't fit in. You know, you get anything over 20, 20 feet and you're in trouble. Right. The, to keep It mostly to Towards regular cars.
So would you consider conditioning that? No more than two RVs at one time would be on the, the property for maintenance. That way you can schedule them out and you'll have space. So for Maintenance, we, we'll keep back on the fence. Which one? For back On the fence. We can, if you just allow us one or two Back on the fence. Where? Back on the fence. Where? On the fence. On the rear line rear of the Property. So go Are are One. Can you touch on there where, where behind the fence is? That's actually if
You can do it up there so we can all see. So that's uh, that's a zone. This, This is the gate area. And so this, this is background, this area? Yeah. This is where, where the non pedestrian or sorry, non uh, the gate optic area will be. Right. So if you had uh, two class A motor homes that you needed to do something on brakes, whatever it may be, they're 48 feet long. You have parking spaces that are 19 feet deep. Usually we're not. I'm just, you gotta go. Worst case scenario first. Even if you just doing trailers, they're 32 feet long.
So I'm looking for that area. I would buy there today. And there's a trailer up. There's too big to fit any, it's sitting there right now. It's probably a 28 footer sitting there right now. It won't fit in any of those spaces. It'll have to go in the back area The minute you put two, three or four of back there, you can't get in and outta of the storage building. No, there won't be, there won't be four one that a very minimal part of the business. Uh, you can certainly stack up right here as well. Um, and if permit put one in the front if it's like Yeah, you know, the problem is those things are just,
you gotta leave where, move around and turn. Absolutely. I just don't see enough space to do RV two cars, trucks, pick up trucks. You got plenty of rope for doing it. Which is RV Business. Maybe sometimes one not the main. Okay. Does anybody in the public have a question of fact? This is, we're not looking for opinions, we're looking for questions. Please come to the microphone. State your name, address. Good evening. My name is Karen Fanon Ward one city counselor. Um, my questions are will there be salvaged
cars on the property? Will there be what Salvaged cars on the property? What Other questions do you have? Um, at this time there is a lot of campers or RVs on the property. What will happen to those RVs? And there's also a lot of like miscellaneous junk on the property. Will that all be cleared up and taken off the property? I think you touched upon what kind of repairs will be done and what kind of chemicals will be stored on the property. Mm-hmm. Um, and will the applicant have employees and how many employees and what would their positions be at this time? I believe there's a residence on the property.
Will that continue to be a residence? Will the proponent be living there or, I did hear somebody mention that it was going to be an office, so it'll be converted to an office perhaps. Has the board done a site visit or are they, is it something that you tend to do? Um, just to get a feel of how the property that the topography of the property, 'cause in the front of the, the property, it's a big hill and if there's gonna be storage of vehicles for display there, you wouldn't be able to see getting out of the adjacent driveway.
So, or if that's perhaps going to be leveled to put the, um, storage of vehicles there. Um, That's all I had. Other Questions. We don't do a site visit as a board, but I'm sure the individuals all go up and take a look. Okay. Alright. And the other questions that I had, I have been answered. Okay, Thank you. Um, can we get Yeah. Come, come forward please, please answer. Sure Judge. I'm sure I forgot a couple of those questions, but, so I guess one of 'em was addressed on like chemicals being on, on site that will be, you know, all, all typical chemicals
that you know are stored in our garage today. You know, as far as you know, if you have motor oil cleaner, that that's all nothing out of the ordinary and everything that a licensed hauler will be used to take away. Uh, what was the other, another one of the questions? Well, they wanna know about salvage cars. Okay. Salvage means many different things. Okay. I think what, um, councilor Fanning is referring to is cars and disrepair that are, you know, might want to be used for parts. So any cars with like frame damage type and like auto body stuff. Where we're, we're gonna be avoiding this will just be more
of like in the, like the lighter sense of repair. Like you need to put a new door on your car. Like Yeah, there are right now I guess, uh, there are campers and RVs on the property and there's also, um, considerable amount of debris. Uh, I'm assuming they're all gonna be removed and cleaned up, so Absolutely. Be cleaned up and removed. Um, so campers will be sold or gone but, and just to get the site function, Will there be any over winter storage, the storage abouts, storage campers, storage of collector cars, anything like that?
Uh, Storage As far as I'm understanding, I have those an old one like idea? No, we don't that. So like, and usually if you buy from car, all of them sell. I understand. Correct. So we fixing And you pay on the body shop? Uh, uh Say that again. Can you repeat that please? Like, uh, if, uh, if you're talking about salvage Cars? No, we're talking, I'm talking about salvage cars. We just addressed, there won't be any parts cars on there or anything like that. You know, there might be a car that was salvaged
that is now currently drivable and can be sold as sal as a, um, salvage retain title. I get that. But there won't be any parts cars or, you know, the feel of a junkyard or anything like that. My question, We have everything will be clean before we start a project. You have to talk into the microphone. Yeah, I said like, uh, we, if we have something like, uh, we will uh, clean out everything before we start, start the project. Okay. Now my other question was are you planning on, on offering over winter storage?
People want to rent your space, indoor garage, things like that to store their trailer, store, their boats store their cars, store their RVs, anything like that over the winter Wasn't planned. Okay. I was just planned to use it for my purposes. There was another question about number of employees. Yep. And the type of employees. I will just think about a few employees for now. Just a have a smaller business, but if we will grow in, maybe it's gonna be bigger. So a couple of salespeople, car repair people to begin with.
Now I, I am owner and operator of everything you do in one right now, but, uh, we'll approve it. So we just hire someone to do something. Where will they be parking, Uh, workers? Yes. On the back. And there's a gate. Isn't that where they put the RVs? You just pointed to the area where it's display area? No, That's a gate. Yeah. And there's a gate. It's gonna be parking for a employee. Um, I Can, we're confirming that the residence will be eventually turned into an
office. That is the plan. We just, uh, plan to make an addition. Mm-hmm. In That addition, it's gonna be exactly the office. Okay. What about the other side of it? Are you planning on rest? Are you planning on living there? Renting It Out? We just planning, Putting that into an apartment for rent. We're planning to move in for a owner operator, not rent. Okay, So you're gonna live there permanently then? Yes. Not just during the construction? No. Okay, thank you. When you, when you stated several times if they needed a
door replaced or something to that on a car, are, do you have intent of painting it after it's been installed? Uh, I, I paint in the body shop. Which one? Originally? The body shop. I have not make any paints, no pain. Anybody? No. Okay. Not on this property. Okay, I understand that's not a lot. Thanks. And We need to discuss the hill in the front. I guess there's, there was a hill in the front that could, um, affect, um, visibility pulling in and out and people driving by
Just Yeah. So The on the front will be kind of leveled out towards this. Uh, these are low points, so you're only talking about that. It's a pretty extra smooth entrance into it. A couple percent And then Before it actually steams out. So trying to make sight lines as smooth as possible. So Where you were just pointing, is that driveway existing? Because I drove over there today. Existing Driveway here and here at, uh, if you look closely, you can see a dashed under line underneath that. That's the existing gravel driveway. Mm-hmm. And so we're maintaining the same area of those con Are you, when you remove the trees,
are you grading it to the, to the road? Uh, we're, we're grading it down to, so for example, so 2 32 is, is grading. So it's only one foot higher. Actually, do you Mind if I, I'm looking Straight. I'm looking At a picture of it on maps. Yeah. So, okay, so 1, 1 31 is kind of that existing road bridge. Sure. And then it ties into 1 32 contract when then that hill goes up. So we, you tie into that 1 32. If you can notice that it's Right, there're actually kind of pulling it back so that way that there's no that big hill on that front Anymore because it's probably
about a four and a half foot. Right. So now, so now, uh, this front area is now 1 32. Which is, or Sorry, 2 3 2. Yep. 2 32. So, and that's gonna be knocked down. So it's only one foot above there. Yeah. Cole, we, we didn't discuss it. Is there gonna be any paving of the Areas? The pavement? Yeah. Yes sir. So, uh, everything on the plus side Of that fence area will be paved and this will be like a hard background Wall. Thank you. Thank you. I got one more for you. Don't go too far. So in between the residence
and the subject property, there's a line of, in this photo, I don't know when it is, they look like dead trees. Mm-hmm. Who owns the trees in between the property? Yeah. Subject property in I think two 10 maybe. Next door Residence next door to the, to the north. North. You're right there. There's a couple dead trees. Yeah. There. One tree there by the driveway. 3, 4, 5 0 6. Um, I can't stay exactly where on if those are on our property or not right now. So it's, uh, most likely my neighbor's property.
But we allow everything with them and I'm ready to cut them down. Okay. And that's, that's why I have concerns about when the fence goes up at six feet. I, I stand hard on, I believe that there should be some AEs for screening. Um, because you're taking down, regardless if they're dead or not, you're taking down some, some trees and they're gonna have to look over at your property every day. And I'll tell you, if I live next door, I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like it at all. So I don't, I don't believe in my opinion that the everybodys need
to run to the edge of the street. But at least I see that they have a deck that sits out there and they're gonna sit there and look to the south and they're gonna see no more than two RVs trucks, you guys having a, whatever you're doing over there. So that's my opinion. So I guess you'd like To see a little bit more vegetation On. I would like to see some lot line screening down that lot line that we discussed that you said you're gonna put a fence up. I just don't see a fence. Do you think uh, everybody in supplemented with fence would kind of make it a little, break it up, make it a little bit Easier? I think green
is always nice. How about a green fence? Yeah, Not a green fence. Good try. It's just a joke guys. Yeah. It takes someone a noise away too. Mm-hmm. That's just one person on the board more alone. No, no, I noted. I'm absolutely the brain is all down. Anybody Else in the public wanna come ask please come forward. Hi, Kristen Meow. 27. Rosalie, are you ready with your pen? I apologize. It's a couple pages I was listening. It's, you know, what happens. Okay. Um, so first question is,
how are the buildings on the property being used now? I was there a couple hours ago. It doesn't look like anyone's living there at all. And there are salvage cars in that lot. There are crushed up cars and there are cars that had windows open that have been sitting out in that field. And if you pull up Google Earth, you can certainly see what I'm talking about. Number two, how many cars are being stored out in the open on the property Now, Uh, number three, what is the house used for now if nobody's living there? Number four, how many commercial
and sales facilities that are open to the general public that people like go and shop around at are in this neighborhood or in this vicinity? Is it a match for the other buildings and commercial and industrial uses that are up there? Right? I mean, there's natural gas, right? It, it's not where we go to get our grill. Um, you know, there are a couple other big properties, but is there anywhere people shop up there? Because I haven't, well there's that fabulous millworks place, but they just moved. Um, anyway, okay, next, uh, the trees that are along the street line,
They're big trees. I don't know how often you drive past there. Those are really big trees. And um, arm brook of course, and the pond is across the street. They suck up a lot of water. They convert a lot of pollution, they produce a lot of oxygen. How will that be made up for in the plans that are before you? That's, those are city trees, right? So those are city assets and um, we need to make sure that those are, uh, mitigated, those losses of clean air, water retention, water protection, and flood protection.
Um, you spoke about the elevation. I'm really glad you did because when I left their driveway, uh, coming down that hill in, if I were gonna take a left toward Cabot Road, I would need line of sight to lock house. And even if you change that elevation, if you put a bunch of cars there, unless you're in a truck, you won't have line of sight. Um, and so I am concerned about the parking in the front and shrubbery in the front, and I really think the line of sight from the abutters driveway is gonna matter here. Um, so can the board do something about that line of sight?
Uh, what else? Let's see. Can the egress, um, be moved, right? Because it i this beautiful diagram, right? But doesn't show you how close that driveway is. It's right here. Those two driveways are literally on the property line and those dead trees there on the property line, the trees go all the way back along the property line. I walked it and I saw where lave put the markers. Okay? So if you take all those trees down on that property line
and you take the trees down in the back in order to make your storm water, and then you're gonna add all that impervious surface, where's that water gonna go? Even if you have the best storm water system, it's gonna go into the ground right there and you've got residences on either side. Now, one may not be occupied right now, but in theory we have a housing crisis, right? So where is that water gonna go when you infiltrate it at 27,000 gallons per acre, per inch of impervious surface? That's a Penn State number. I didn't make it up and I've quoted it
to you about 700,000 times. So if you need the reference again, let me know. Okay, what else? Um, so also the shrubs that they were talking about out in the front, the line of sight thing applies to both the shrubs and parking cars there. Um, I wanna ask specifically how many trees will be removed? Because to understand how much of a water problem you have, how much loss in air cleaning and oxygen production that you have, and, um, the ability to retain that soil and keep it from eroding it. You need to know how many trees you're removing and how old
and how big those trees are in order to quantify those environmental damages. In order to say that there won't be those damages by approving the project, you need some idea of how many trees, not a hand wavy thing. Um, also, uh, we need to compensate for the heat effects, right? Because if you cut all those trees, not only are you losing the transpiration, which puts water into the air, which cools the air around, but you add a bunch of impervious surface and remove all the vegetation, the air pollution, the water that you have to manage and the heat go way up.
And this is an area with an awful lot of industrial area and impervious surface to begin with. So if you take the last few trees up there between those four or five houses, that's like the last residential spots up there. They have nothing left. And so you can't say that there won't be measurable damage to the neighborhood if you remove all those trees. So how are we gonna quantify that and how do we plan to mitigate that loss? Uh, what else we got? Um, you were asking about the selling being the primary thing. So are there, is there going to be selling of cars
that they do not repair first? Because if every car you sell is a car that you repair, then repair is the primary use and the selling is secondary. If you don't sell cars that don't require repair, how can the selling be the primary use is my question. Um, and I heard that the primary use will be sales. What is the primary use at the property right now? What's going on right now at that property? Is it an unpermitted use? Because it doesn't sound like it's a residential use and it doesn't look like a residential use.
Another question. How can a plastic fence replace the sound? Baffling water transpiration and retention and air cleaning and temperature reduction of an actual vegetative planting buffer that is in fact required and should not be waived. Um, and the last two, um, which Councilor Fanon also asked, have you been out there and watched the site? Have you looked at the line of sight there? Have you looked at what's there? And can you and last, what would be acceptable next to your home? Thank you. You got answers. Trying to draw as much down as I could.
Um, so I guess speaking towards the impervious area questions, uh, I can for sure, uh, talk about the drainage of this. Uh, it has been designed, so this back area is gravel and prior is impervious and how we are capturing the water into the deep sum, 30 catch basins, conveying it to, uh, proprietary sedation devices, water quality unit, uh, moving, then conveying it to the, the sediment four bay, which will then settle the common water and it's untreated.
And then it'll be going into infiltration basin with the, we have dog uh, ample amount of test that throughout the whole site. We deemed this back area be, we'll I think we could probably do it on that screen. Yeah, absolutely. Can we do the plan on that? You can take the microphone with you. Sure. Take the microphone with you. Sorry. 'cause the, the public's trying to crane your next route. Oh my, my apologies. Yeah, so, uh, sorry, I guess I'll just kind of restate what I said. So the deep sun hood catch basins, uh, located at these low points will collect all the storm water runoff. Uh, there's no, after doing the, the analysis
of converting it to impervious, like this front area is a hundred percent impervious. Back area is gravel, which has a curved number of 98. So it's practically impervious. It's all been designed for and account for including the roof runoff. Uh, and it's all going into deep sum hook catch basin. The first part of the treatment train, the proprietary sedation devices are the second part of the treatment train, which is here. That was, that's here and here. And so this is as a catch basin into a proprietary segmentation device is then being conveyed into a sediment four bay where the water has more time
to settle down before it flows into the infiltration basin. And the infiltration basin will then obviously infiltrate into the, into the soils, which are actually decently grade, uh, draining soils. And, uh, so these little marks here are all test bits that we dug to analyze the soils, and we have soil logs showing that. And as well as confirming that those with the NRCS, uh, mapping, which is we used as for soil properties. Um, I believe, if I can address one of the other questions about like the sight lines.
Mm-hmm. Uh, so the, the, the town owned city, sorry, owns all the way up to this line, so there's ample amount of space to pull out. Uh, but we are like, uh, mentioned earlier about that hill and how it's a little bit tough right now that that is being knocked down and smoothened out. Uh, the plants are pretty low plants. If it, if the city was, seem to deem it better, we can substitute the plants for more appropriate plants to, uh, to mitigate sightline distances.
Um, I believe, I mean, I believe we would all be okay with that. Uh, as, as far as that northern property line, uh, I guess we, we talked about enough, uh, where how we're gonna try to incorporate some more arbor bides and maybe find a solution where we can all deem that that's much better, much better screen. So we, we'll, we'll work with a solution on, I guess we'll be coming with another, but revision set. I believe one of the questions was, and correct me if I'm wrong, um, Ms. Mellow, um, about the entrances
and creating water runoff into neighboring properties. Should I get that correct? Uh, I was telling the entrances maybe couldn't be quite so close to their house, as I said, their, to their driveway there yard, you know, um, and the runoff I'm more concerned with, you're gonna infiltrate that into the ground, but that ground has residential basements next door. So adding all that water is gonna cause increase groundwater next to residential basements. What are they gonna do? So that's the Question. Yeah. So anything trespass, any water being trespassed basically onto
neighboring properties is being mitigated, uh, wildly, uh, this is, so the stormwater basin is designed to capture and treat all, all the water on the site, uh, up to and including the a hundred year storm. And then some, uh, we, we, we beefed it up a little bit just to be safe because there's residential area around there. We wanted to make sure that there will be no, there will be no excess water. Uh, I'd also like to direct all the, these questions to the stormwater report that's been submitted as well. I can, uh, I can, that, that, that will be kind
of explain most of the questions, anything stormwater related. And that calculation was based on the trees being taken down. So the water basin is big enough for that area with the trees gone. Yes, sir. The, so as being proposed, uh, with the, oh, the grass area being this, this little light hatching and this area being all pavement and this area being all gravel roofs, all of that taken into account with the lack of trees there now as well. All that taking into account into the stormwater design and will infiltrate into the incidents basin
treated first treated and cur. Did we catch all your questions? Other than the, the last few about what we would like and Yes, we've seen the, we've gone up and visited My question about the groundwater, uh, is that for every acre of impervious surface, you have one inch of rainfall on, you have 27,000 gallons of water to manage, which, you know, best management practices, they know how to make the water not flood great. But that's not flood on the surface. What happens when you put 27,000 gallons per inch?
Right. And, and we have bigger than one inch storms into an infiltration basin. When you've got houses here and houses down here. My, it, it's not, my question is not about surface water flooding in this instance. My question is, when you infiltrate all that water, how are we gonna keep the neighboring houses from flooding in their basement? Okay, that is my question. Okay. So I I understand the question a little bit better now. So it's not about the, uh, the leak, leak spillover of water, uh, once the, there's in our stormwater report, uh, section EI believe appendix E, uh,
the DEP calcs answer all those questions, uh, that will address, uh, like a mounting analysis. We also plainly put keeping the separation, the required separation to groundwater, even though I don't have test pits in front of me, but I believe it was quite deep if, if found at all, and these are well draining soils does, sorry, is that, does that seem to answer? Uh, no, I was, I think the concern is, um, if I dumb it down for us, is water saturation in the, um,
in the earth, um, you know, seeking into, into Like a base surrounding nearby, Right? How, how do we prevent That? Absolutely. No, that's actually a good question. So that's like, that's kind of the bulk of the sign where for the stormwater analysis is making sure that, you know, we're, we're providing enough, there's a, a minimum amount of area being required per, uh, message stormwater handbook. There's a minimum amount of area for the Senate board Bay first, and then for the actual infiltration basin. And with that area, you know, you're providing, there's a, uh, there's a time of retention time
and to infiltrate that water has to be within seven two hours, I believe we're within just a couple of hours. And b, doing so, there's also a mounting analysis. The closer you get to groundwater, the worse that it is, but we're very far away from it, as well as the soils. BA, they're contained a soils, so it will be rapidly infiltrated into the ground. Um, because of that, there is no concern for, uh, like a mount, I believe what it's called, like a mounting analysis. So the mounting analysis shows that the water goes through. Question. Yes. I am very sorry for having
to ask this very obvious question. Were the test pits that were drilled to show that the water can be handled, drilled with the trees, removing water from the ground in the area? Um, That's the question. No, absolutely. It's all understandable. Um, so generally with the site design, uh, test bits, you obviously, there's no underneath, there's no trees underneath that. It's just analyzing the soils below that and what the soils are capable of doing. Uh, so things you look for at first, you look for in groundwater, uh, the red redox amorphic features.
So it's not actual groundwater, it's what's where seasonal high groundwater can even be predicted to be, which, so you might not encounter groundwater, but you'll encounter features showing that hey, there's usually groundwater here. Um, so the soils are basically showing that with or without anything above it. What can be the capability of that soil? Uh, I know Geotechs will look at it for structural capabilities on civil side, we look at it for its infiltration abilities and there was all analyzed and done. So that way that will properly drain all the water
through this basin, which is quite large. And provides the main portion is the wider the basin is the more capability of infiltration instead of just storage. You can have a really deep basin, but small area it won't infiltrate as well as having a larger area like we're showing completely. Nicole, this will still need storm water approval, correct? Yes. So we actually just, I can actually comments. Yeah. Mr. Mr. Ner reached out to us with a couple of comments about the storm water and they're very minor. Um, I believe so. If it's okay, I'd just like go through just three comments.
Uh, the construction, he wants to add a construction sequence to the plan set. We absolutely do that. It's just, uh, it's in, in our narrative, but we'll include it on the plan set as well. Uh, one another comment, uh, not two related storm water, but it was about the basin, uh, wooden and guardrail around the infiltration basin doesn't appear to have an opening. Please consider adding an opening or a gate to allow for maintenance to keep it cut down and well maintained. And, uh, any facility be removed, we're gonna be including that in this construction set or next revision set. Um, and the only other question was in the storm sewer
tabulation page on table on page 1 32, uh, the report has a 5.06 in the ground elevation column. Please check. Make's table doesn't appear correct. Uh, I checked with that. It's just the, uh, the label for the, uh, FLA end section. That for what? This roof drain. It just wasn't on my cad referencing the right surface. I have a, I've already fixed it, addressed it and intend it intends to be included in the revised set. Those are the only, so he reviewed the solar report and plans and those were, those were the comments for that.
So he's good with it. Yes. Thank You. Anybody else in the public have questions of fact, please come forward. Please ask your questions. Okay. There is none Mrs. Norris would like to know if, uh, if it is, I'm sorry, who? Mrs. Norris, the abutting neighbor at two 10. I would like to know address, please. Hmm. The address please. Uh, two 10 lock house. Okay, thank you. Would like to know, uh, if the board were inclined to approve a special permit, would they condition the fence to be higher than six feet? That is, that is the question that she's having.
So that, that they are not, because when they're out on their deck, right, they can see everything that's going on right now. And so if there were to be a fence, could it be higher than six feet? Uh, they would prefer, uh, to also have vegetation with set sounds because of course it Kristen, What did you just say? They would prefer what? The vegetation, there's, there's no sound baffling, right. So they would prefer a fence or a vegetation Is what you're saying? Both. Both. Both. Both. Okay. I I, you got two masks on. I know. I'm sorry. It's, you know, I have one and a half
Months. If, if I heard correctly, they're prefer an eight foot fence with vegetation. Okay. It's eight. Well, I mean, I could make a fence. Yeah, it can only go so high. Can only go so high is right. Um, And she would like you to ask lots of questions about the lights, because right now the lights come into the house and into the windows. Okay. So the, The need, the lights, the lights will, um, be according to the, um, light ordinance. Light ordinance. It'll be zero at the property line. They will be zero at the property line. Okay. Um, excuse me,
if we have questions, I would prefer that at least everybody come to the microphone. This is not, but if you have a question, we don't have a spokesman out here. Okay. It doesn't matter. If you have a question, Please come to the microphone. You don't have to live there to ask a question. Anybody can ask a question. I wanna know why can't you name under underneath the driveway Name and address please? Pardon? Name and address. Deborah Norris. 2 33 Dry Bridge Road. Westfield. Thank you. And my question is, why can't you eliminate the driveway on the side of two 10 lock house road?
Good question. Um, that's a Good question. Well, the question is, can you eliminate the driveway on the, on the side of two 10? Sure. Uh, so we're proposing just to keep using that driveway. Um, if it's a, if it's an issue of another driveway being too close, I mean, we are our, this driveway is existing there. We'd like to reuse it as an existing curb, uh, as well as the southern one. As for site functionality, it makes the most sense to keep both those driveways. Uh, so it's just gonna be one way right there. So it, it just makes the most sense to keep those driveways
and we're not moving any closer to the property line than RA's existing. Did you say each of those driveways are gonna be one way, one will be in and one will be out. Is that what She said? No, I'm sorry. So on The, I thought you said something about If we could do it again, if we could do it up there that way. There, that way there. The public. See, thank You. Said something about one way I didn't catch the rest Of it. Yeah. Could you go to the C3, I believe? Yep. Let's layout one more. Thank you. Uh, the one way I'm mentioning, sorry, is, is right here, uh, Within The property, Not within, within the property.
So this will be two way functionality here and here, but, uh, it just makes the most sense. You don't want cars driving around too much. You want, you want the one way through to park, do your business and exit. Would you consider just having an entrance and then an exit on the opposite side to minimize traffic on the residential side? So it, the flow of of the site, it, having it, you know, it would have to be in here, out here kind of thing. Yeah. It being able to exit out from the garage here also is, is a big benefit.
Benefit to the client Or make the other entrance, the end and make that one the out then. So the, the southern driveway, we are improving it, moving it up north. This driveway, we're keeping it gray as is. So the two-way functionality, it won't, won't be causing any further issue. That, that, if there is any. Your current, Okay. Yes, please. Gimme microphone. Do I have to repeat my name? No, The two-way functionality. It, the, the driveway is not even a, a carved with length. What? Lengthwise or widthwise rather. Um, and why can't they go the other way?
You can come in where he's, I mean, exiting. That's what you, instead of coming in, That's what Jane just asked. Left to right. Go right to left. That's what Jane just asked. Okay. And the, the answer was no. They, they liked the functionality of being able to come in and out of the, the buildings on that side. Is there a But Jane, but Jane just asked, you know, Jane board member Jane just asked the same question. There's not that much room for, Okay. Okay. Any other questions? Yes, please come forward.
Mr brings up a great point, uh, functionality as a meaning as well as like being on the park. If the car's on the, on that side, you'd have to go out onto the street and around. So otherwise you'd be going against the one way. So it just, it just makes more the most sense in that Direction. You, you did not address, um, a higher fence and, um, oh, I'm sorry. Green. Um, greenery. Yeah. If a higher fence is desired, yeah. We, we go up, I think, I believe like eight feet. That's a, that's a good height. Um, and then we'll come back with a better solution. Try to, we're trying to work with that. I know on, on a site visit it was discussed that a fence was preferable.
That's why we decided to go with The fence. Okay, Thank you. Yes, please come forward. So you get a, I just wanna point something out, Mrs. North in the front. If you look at the map of over there, I know what you see is a driveway now, but it's now gonna be after the site's. After the site's done, it's gonna be 24 feet wide. So it's not gonna be the little stone driveway you see. So She's gonna have a two lane Highway next? She no, she's gonna have a well put together paved driveway if this goes through and not a stone driveway. That's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm telling you. I, I understand. But she asked the question. Mm-hmm.
Uh, good evening. I live at, uh, a property at one 90 lock house. And then my name's Nunez. I, I lived there for almost eight years and uh, I saw the house prior before it was bought. It was abandoned and it was a lot of junk and stuff on the property and a band trying to make the best use of it. And there was a lot of plans that he has. And I've been friendly with all my neighbors. And, uh, they also, uh, I approve the project. I know we worry about trees and, uh, water, which I worry about too 'cause I live there
and I, I don't, of course don't want my, uh, basement to be flooded. But when National Grid came through and cut a bunch of trees down 'cause they were in their, in their way, nobody asked to, to, you know, replant stuff and do anything. Same thing with the, uh, project across the road. They safety approved of it. There's a lot of trees gonna be cut, cut out down eventually too. So I, I just confused why specifically for this property or these few trees that are So somebody worry
so much about when there's a lot of trees that are gonna be the cut down eventually anyways, it's all, uh, I mean I'm hoping everything's gonna be, both properties for a dragon and Ben are gonna be done properly and, you know, in a sensible fashion. So it makes it a neighborhood look more presentable. Okay. Is there a question in here? Uh, I'm hoping it, you know, it's gonna create some privacy as well with the fence and maybe on other side. 'cause it is, you know, everything will be nicer with
that, hopefully. Thank you. Anybody else have a question of fact? Anybody want to come speak in favor of or speak against the proposal? Please come to the microphone. How you guys doing? My Name's Jason Leech. I live at Two 10. Lock, lock House Road. Um, I've, I've worked my tail off to own that home. Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm all for people, you know, live, doing their lives and working their way through. But I don't have much left anymore as far as quietness or nothing like that. I would just like to know, like
if say whatever you guys do, can I keep my peace of Saturdays and Sundays? 'cause I'm already dealing with so much noise around there that I hope to retire in that, that home as a quiet person. 'cause when I bought that home, there was none of that there. The laws weren't the same as they are now. Mm-hmm. Things have changed over the years. I've adapted trying to, but it's getting worse and worse and worse for the homeowners and more for the business people. Okay. Um, it's Jason, right?
Yes sir. Come back please. Um, does the eight foot fence and some, um, arbor providing help Seriously over noise? I Mean short of short of short of there being no development at all, that's the Okay. But to answer Your question then yes, it would. Thank you. To answer your question, yes it would. I mean the, the, there's no need for anything that big there. Okay. And the hours of operation are acceptable. Seven to seven. No, I go to bed very early 'cause I get up very early day.
I, as it is right now, not that it matters. I get up two and a half hours before I have to get up because of the train laying on the horn. Okay. Anybody else in favor of, uh, or against please move. Microphone. Doesn't Matter if he cried. I heard me crash crying. This is Barbara Norris two tent, left house. Okay. And first of all, you asked about savage cars. That's what they are. They're savage cars that he fixes up. That was one of your questions. Your question and the lighting and all that. You're absolutely correct. It is very hard.
The lights now when they use the shop come straight through my kitchen. So they go into the kitchen windows and they have a massive glare. And you're right, you wouldn't wanna live there. I'm not sure I wanna live there anymore 'cause everything keeps getting passed. I have nothing against them personally. I don't, we don't really communicate. Hello? Goodbye. But, um, there's like, he only wants to put a chain link down by the fence. Well, they've already cleared all the wood. There is no more trees. And you can see the railroad.
So now you see the train. Before at least it was blocked by some of the trees. You can see it, you can see clear lumber, which is out in the back where, um, grief brothers used to be. You can see that now too because everything's gone. The trees are all gone. So the noise is worse. I don't know. I'm not, I don't know about the storm water stuff. I don't want them digging up to attached to mine. I, he had said something about that. I'm not really sure because this man has everything facing you. So we can't see. Um,
you both asked some questions over here, but I can't remember everything because you can't speak when you ask and you have to try to remember. I can't remember. So I guess I am just need some peace. I don't like the seven to seven, six days a week as it was last Saturday. They were doing a bunch of stuff, running a vacuum. It was so loud that my friend got a headache. I ended up with a headache. I had to go lay down and finally about four 30 it finally stopped.
But it's not the best thing to hear on the weekends. You want peace and quiet. That's about it. Thank you. In case you're still staking Kristen Meow 27. Mosley. I don't think this is ready for prime time. I don't think you can approve it the way that it is and say that there isn't going to be a measurable detrimental effect to the re to the resident abuts. I just don't think you can say it. I I don't think this particular proposal as proposed is approvable. Thank you. Anybody else want to speak in favor of Speedy? Yes, please come through microphone.
I think I have a question. Now's the time. This here, this is Barbara's property line? No. Where's Your property? This is lock house. Yeah, that property line. Yeah. And he's gonna put this 72 square foot building along her property line, even though her home is say like over here and this is where the repairs and everything are gonna be done. And that's a storage pool? That's only storage. Yes.
Only storage. No work. No, that's what they're saying. Power tools or anything. Because Why does it have to be on her property line where she's gonna have to listen to them cars and whatever they do on my, do I need to stand on my side of the, of he has all this room. He has like two and a half acres. So he has all this room, um, maybe over here. I don't know how this runs, but I have very little room between his driveway and mine
and there's my house maybe 50 feet from each other. Yeah. So there's my house, right? Yeah, there's my garage. Garage. So the driveway must be right about here, right where those dead trees? That right? Yeah. Okay. But his driveway goes in a circle right now and it goes up right here. See this is it. It goes up and around and comes back out. It goes between the buildings. Mm-hmm. In front of them. Yeah. Between the ground and ground here. Sorry guys.
I did that probably. Sorry. And I like the point, do I want a bunch of people walking around All the time. All the time and the, the yard. Anyway. I mean, Ben, nothing against you, but you've been doing this right along. Why are you going for a permit now? What's the difference from what you're doing now? It wants to get bigger. Uh, one at a time please. Okay. Comments from comments? You know, one person speaks at a time. Please. I, I just don't understand. So this is the garage right now? No, no. The one up to your right there. That's the garage right now. Yeah. So this where is right into my house.
You're you're, you're taking down the current garage. The uh, the existing garage will, will remain there. Uh, as far as, uh, I did want to echo to the board and ask about, uh, trying to, trying to gauge is the eight foot fence with some AEs is a better solution And how much, I'm just trying, still trying to gauge what we were trying to come to a good solution on what the screening was. Because I know on the site was done previously in, in discussion with the neighbor, the fence was brought up as being the, the solution preferred solution. So if that's not the preferred solution, uh, I believe,
I mean I believe it's gonna show the best screening, but would they like to see some more buddies as well? I'm still, I still just wanna make sure we're all on the same page as far as that. I think, I think if I heard the applicant correctly, they would like an eight foot fence with our Es and the driveway moved slightly. Mm-hmm. They want everything you can do so you're Not intrusive on their property. Well, okay. Alright. So eight foot fence with some our provide. Mm-hmm. Um, as far as the driveway we would like to keep it on, I'd like, I guess the council's opinion, we'd like to keep it on the existing area.
That will be curved. This will be well maintained with a stop sign. So everything will be as far as traffic goes safer than existing. And as far as being 24 feet wide, that's, you know, that's the standard functionality that Westfield proposes. So we're trying to keep on those same standards. May I ask why you are opposed to moving the driveway a little bit? What would moving it 10 feet over, um, what's, what's The opposition? So we, we have looked at that. We have looked at option and Yeah. If, if, you know, if everyone sees that as like the absolute
necessity to it, we we can, we can move the driveway slightly to the south. It won't be drastic. Uh, 'cause so in order to basically, if I can just approach that Sure point. This would be, would it, would it be more sightly to move it about? So we want to, moving the driveway further to the south, uh, reduces the dumpster. So well dumpster would be down to one by doing that. But if we moved it, you know, save about 10 feet, if I could probably scale it on that plan Now why, why would that affect the dumpsters? If you swing around between the, the existing house because It's up. So
You want the truck to be able to pull in, pull right in, grab the dumpster, do its thing, and pull through the site. Um, or back right out. Yeah. So they would reduce it down to one dumpster, which wouldn't be the end of the world. Uh, two, you know, is this more of a, a safe estimate for the size of the dumpster location? They're usually end up being smaller. Um, so I guess if, if everyone see likes that idea better of moving this, uh, if I could just scale it onto them, I could tell you judgment Can you relocate the dumpster to one of the spots closer to the exit and that way the truck can pull in,
directly poke into it and pull Out. So right now, this is actually the easiest way for a truck to grab dumpster. That's straight into straight shot to it. Uh, it's unsightly to everyone else to put a dumpster in the front of someone's yard. I mean you wouldn't want, want dumpster, but You're parking it right next to their house With obviously with eight foot screening our providers as well, that which is dumpsters much shorter than that. Um, so, but if this is, we could remove the driveway down, down about 10 feet, like, like as proposed and that, that would, that would bump everything down. It might lose a space,
but I believe that that might get a little bit more separation to the, the budding property. Well, 10 feet is better than nothing. But I I'm looking more at it coming down further curving up around the existing house and then around between the house and the existing garage. And you could pave a little part to go to the dumpster. So when he came in, he'd go around, he'd go up to the dumpster on a little, almost like a separate driveway, but it's within the site. Um, so the other area we explored on putting the dumpster
was where this, these two parking spots are. Yeah. Um, which is not a terrible spot for it. Uh, we'd be able to bump, bump it again. So we want to keep this line kind of, kind of along that, uh, that setback line would kind of be the limit of how far down the, uh, that northern side of the driveway would go. Okay. And I, that might, that might improve, uh, favorable. But you're gonna have to towards that, uh, storage building. You're gonna have to leave that for the sidewalk. So you're gonna have to do a kickout Towards the storage building. Yep. 'cause it still needs to be that 15 feet. Right? Right. No, we'd be moving away from it. We'd be moving, moving closer
To it if you're taking 10 feet away from the neighbors. Right. Um, I'm, I'm sure I think we're a little bit, You're going south of the proper lane, right? Or with the driveway, We would be taking these dumpsters if that if, if the dumpsters are in issue, we'd be taking these dumpsters relocated into these, this two spot and we could shift the driveway down. So basically move this and move it like just about like right there. Go All the way to the west. Show me how far you're gonna All the way to the west. Move it about right here? Yeah, just to access the existing driveway. Okay. Like, like the functionality is right now. So, so I think we don't need to design it here.
I think the applicant hears the board's concerns and can probably come up with a better solution. Um, or, or alternatives to, I I think you can probably leave the dumpsters as they are and just shift the driveway down. Still have access, but, Okay. Yeah. We'll, we'll I think we'll look into doing that, moving that driveway down. I, I think I hear the board is, wants to see some revisions anyway, so. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like we're coming to a continuous. So I have a question. You have, um, a question for the, the owner. I, I know the hours that are asked for,
were probably asked for by our leve. Do you really need that many hours in the day to be open? Because that would, would help with your neighborhood quite a bit If you could shorten the hours. Usually I'm working now, like, uh, from nine to five, six, something like that. Okay, but could you live with seven o'clock? Yeah, I, I, I think so. It's gonna be, I just make a little bigger, you know, for if I need to do a shorter, no problem. I just want to be nice with my neighbors. Okay, thank you. Please come forward.
So is that a definite that the dumpsters are being moved? No, because that Is right next to the house. That is right Next to, we have asked, we have asked the applicant to come back, give us, um, give us alternatives. 'cause you're gonna hear Everything being thrown In there. It's a Process. Ms. Norris, The question is what's going in that dumpster metal, hard things being thrown in there, being that close to the house. Isn't that gonna be noisy? Good question. I can just address that. Uh, just typical boxes car, car parts will be thrown in there.
Anything hazardous will be all the way by license haul. Um, I feel like I, I use, I grew up here. Construction use dumpster all the time. It's not the craziest thing in the world. And just like to reiterate, this is industrial zoned. This is kind of the predicted type of uses in this area. Can I ask you a question? Wouldn't some of the, um, metal from the car parts be recyclable? Wouldn't you have that separate from a dumpster? So it could be recycled? Yeah. He'll be doing recycled. Sure. Okay. You said the car parts were going in the dumpster though? Yeah, like non recycleable. Like if you pull off, uh, like your plastic door frame, like that's gonna be, you know, that's John.
So where are you gonna store those recyclable parts? The, the idea was and have recycled dumpster, trash dumpster. So you're having separate dumpsters right there at that same Place? That was, that was the idea with the two. But if we get reduced down to one, it'll, it'll have to store and recycle internally. Well, I think you can manage to still have the two. I think that could be worked out. So, Okay. Yeah. If you guys need see two, we, we'll keep, You know, I just think with, with your business that you need to make sure that gets Recycled. Right? That's, that's why the two are shown. Thank you. No, thank you. Um, I have a question. Yes sir. The application, um,
the applicant has said they're, this is gonna be their permanent home. Is that correct? Did I hear that correctly? So it would like it to be the, like an owner operator home? Yes, An owner operator. Okay. Because the application's on one 16 Loomis Street, that's the mailing address for Irene. Irene a family, LLC. And the state shows Benjamin, um, ska and I, if I mispronounce your name, my apologies as living at or the, the address as one 16 Loomis Street. That's a residential house.
That's not a commercial building. Right. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to understand, is he gonna be moving out of one 16 Lomi Street to this address? The the idea? Yes. That's not what I said already. We just, uh, planning to move it here. We're here 'cause we need the money for that project. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um, do we need anything else from the applicant for, um, next meeting? It looks like we're going towards a continuation. Do we want anything else? I'd like to see how you're gonna locate some RVs in there. Take, I'd like to see how you're gonna locate 'em in there.
I just, I still have a real problem with the space allotment to try and get anything and even two or three of 'em in there without clogging that whole thing up. No, I, I understand the concern. We'll look into it and try to show a better answer for Yeah, Show a couple a couple. And again, you're not gonna stay, they're not gonna be all 10 or 20, 12, 12 footers. You're gonna end up with a 30 footer, you're gonna, you know, so give us some variation. Okay. Yeah. Again, the idea is to keep towards the smaller ones, but if they are there, there should be a account for I understand. Well, He's doing 12 or 50, 6 15 footers. There's gonna be somebody like me who's gonna come with a 27 footer
and say, Hey, I need you to do this for me. So you're gonna get 'em. Okay. Yeah. So if You're doing repairs, you're gonna get 'em. That'll be noted and kept in mind on, on this revision set. Thank you. Okay. Anything else? You're gonna to wait Up updated landscape With, uh, Fencing it? Yeah. Updated Landscaping. Yeah. Okay. The dumpster, dumpster, the RVs. What else do we want? Well, the driveway. The Driveway. The driveway. An option on the driveway. Yeah. Okay. Are we good? Uh, how about the fault? The planting? The what? Joy.
Give us some more information on what you are gonna plant across that top line. All he is got shown as three trees there with fence. So, okay. On sheet C six. Yeah, you got three trees shown in the back. There's a and you got the bushes in the front, but there's, don't show really any planting on that side. There's two trees at the front too. Yeah, a couple trees in the front Too. Yeah, There's about 20 or 30 plants being closed along this front line Right here. Right. I'm talking about that north property line where we're talking about the property line. The, because you're gonna, by the looks of it, you're gonna have to pull that driveway in to get,
get the planning in there. Right? So the the blow back home, the driveway back, I mean, there's Gonna be a fence. Yeah. Then there'll be room for Oh yeah, there'll be room for it. But I, we need to, we need to see what you're looking at. Yeah. So that was, there's no plant Needs to be proposed right here, right now. Yeah, but you're gonna, we were just talking about that's what blocks that house, Right? So if there's, if there's a fence harbor buddies there, no one besides the owner's gonna be seeing those plants. So, but that, I think that's part of what Ray's talking about with, um, updated landscaping. Updated Landscaping, showing any new plant changes Going, what you propose and what you put three lighting in or 15.
Okay. Yeah. How should, yeah, absolutely. We we'll shut that. Thank You. I mean, the other idea could be switch 'em. So the fence is maybe more on this side and the arbor are along the neighbor's edge that looks soften the look. And eventually they may be taller than the fence. The only, the only issue With like putting plants on the other side is like, is maintenance. You know who, who maintains it? It's, if it's on our property, it's our plan. We gotta maintain 'em. As far as if you gotta bring machines on, You know, give us a proposal of what you think you want to do and we'll go from there. And, and Cole? Um, yes sir. Um, I know you'll be updating the photo metrics as well.
Yes. That, and I just want confirm all lights will be dark sky compliant, correct? Yes. Okay. Uh, the next meeting is Tuesday, April 1st or April 15th. It looks like we're going to continuation. Which one would you prefer? Uh, sorry, today's the 18th. 18th. Next. Our, our, yeah. The the first. The first. Yes, please. So do we have a request for continuation? April. April 1st. Make a motion to continue. Uh, till April 1st For 1 98. Lock house Road. I'll second.
All those in favor? Aye. Aye. It still Open? You can ask. Thank you. We'll see you April 1st. Ash, thank everyone for your time Tonight on that date. April 1st. We're not here on that date. Everyone just wanna say, Um, You wanna change it? If, if they accept, we can change it. Um, will you be willing to go? Would you be willing to go the 15th so they could be here? Okay. Okay. April 15th. I need a motion. Motion to change the continuance to April 15th. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, next on the
agenda is other business. We don't seem to have any, and we have anybody have any announcements? Any future agenda items? So just, um, so there are no hearings on the first now, so if people want to come up with some other things to discuss, we can do that on the first. No hearings on the what? April 1st? There's no yeah, no fulling. There's no, no new applications for the first. What did he, no. Uh, is there anything we want to discuss or talk about on the first No new application.
I mean, an A and r or something could come in, but there's no uh, no hearings. Go ahead John. Um, I can see it. You want to? No, it is about the ADUs that went to city council the other night. Right. And it's in committee and then it comes out and they vote for It. Yeah. It's on the council's agenda for Thursday. So, Okay. Is there anything we need to talk about? Procedure? Is there anything we need to talk about procedure wise, definition wise? Anything like that that we could use that time for? Well, you don't have to say tonight. If people think of things, you can shoot me an email. So if we have nothing right,
do we have to publish anything for the public? Go home and look out. What Do you mean? So it's in theory the public, there's no public hearing. So it would be a, would it be a private meeting again? Well, We could, I mean, it's not a be a public meeting. Um, we don't have to meet in here if we want to have a more intimate location like, like, uh, we do for the retreat. Okay. I think you should say that. I think it's excellent. Um, do we want to discuss that in depth?
John, do we wanna discuss in depth? Um, lots, lot size averaging. Is that something we want to get a better handle on? I, I need to understand that better. Were we discussing Lot size averaging? Lot size averaging? Yeah. Oh, I think that's a great idea. So why don't we do that? Let's, can we talk about, can we talk about, let's talk about two subjects. Inner City, I mean, that are already established in established neighborhoods that are don't have this enough.
Ships isn't usually like in downtown area. Yeah. So we can maybe treat it like we do in December. Mm-hmm. And kind of have a, a general planning meeting and then hit on some specific topics. Jane, Jane, John, sorry. I, I think I'd like to talk about in two subjects, lot size averaging and how it works and give us a great, um, walk us through what we think we know and how we should be looking at it. And two, the relationship of, and it is clearly came up tonight, the relationship of the buffer zone, setbacks, all of that as well,
because that came up tonight as well. And, and, and maybe we can hold our meeting to one hour and call it a night. Okay. All right. Maybe take another review with the master plan. Pick up some items. Um, Okay. That's not a bad idea either. Yeah. All right. So we cookies we'll plan, uh, we'll plan to meet in probably, I I can make cookies or I can make turnovers. I can, I'm a good baker. What? Make them, let's make it all, all right. If I think of something, I'll just send An email. Yeah. Just let me know. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Second. All those in favor. A All of us. You all on the first.