It is seven o'clock and we are calling the Tuesday, February 17th, planning board meeting to order, uh, first on the agenda, public participation on any matter, not subject to a public hearing. Anybody have anything they want to talk about that goes on in the city? Next on the agenda is review. Approval of previous minutes. I make a motion to approve the minutes of the previous meeting. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Next on the agenda is our public hearings, um, as I do every meeting.
Um, next on the agenda of public hearings, today, we have zoning special permits and or site plan approvals. After the applicants present, their proposal board members will begin asking their questions. We will then invite the public to ask questions. In fact, we will have a separate time for the public to speak in favor of or speak against emotions. When we recognize you, please come to the microphone, give your name and address, and direct all questions and comments to the board, not the applicant. The purpose of our public hearings is to allow board members
to collect evidence and testimony supporting or contradicting the published legal findings. We cannot act outside the bounds of the zoning ordinances, nor the stormwater ordinance we're also sought. Please understand the public hearings are not a community referendum nor a town meeting. We ask you to keep comments, civil and positive remembering, we are all neighbors working to move Westfield forward. While you are free to express your opinion, ultimately and legally the board can only deliberate on findings of fact, not ours or yours. Um, not on yours or our personal opinion.
First On the agenda is, um, Ava Corporation for special zoning permit for zoning ordinance section three dash 103 3 on six to construct a commercial building exceeding 1500 square feet at 2 88 Elm Street zoned core. The board is in receipt of a request for a continuance to March 17th. Do I hear a motion for that continuance? I make a motion to grant a continuance. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Next on the agenda, DL Holmes for special, um,
permit per zoning ordinance section four dash 20.2 and four dash 20.42 to divide 10 Ethan Avenue Zone residential A into two building lots, um, by lot size averaging and with a reduced side yard setback. For this hearing, the chair recognizes rich soy as a voting member for Cheryl Crowe. And, um, Dylan Sweeney as a voting member for John Bowen. He's the applicant here. Yes, sir. Uh, Rob Leve from our Leveque Associates here
this evening representing, uh, Don Leland, who's in the audience with us. All set. Okay. Um, so looks like Jay brought up the GIS so I can kind of go through on the screen so everybody can see it, if that's okay. So the subject property is right here. It's 10 Ethan Ave. Um, the property's kind of a corner lot around Ethan Ave, which that runs around the corner. Um, the subject property meets the requirements for the criteria for an in lot, uh, infill
or, uh, lot size averaging special permit. So we've provided the planning board with an application for a lot size averaging special permit for the proposed project. Um, would leave the existing structure, um, add a garage to the existing structure and then build a new home similar in size and stature, um, to the existing structure as well as the other structures in the neighborhood. So there is a, a plan that you see before you, I don't know if Jay has it on the shared drive. He does. Great. So this is the same lot
here around the corner. So lot one would be 8,687 square feet. Um, would contain the existing house number 10 and a proposed 24 by 24 garage. Um, that would be, uh, attached to the existing house. We would propose a driveway here on the corner, uh, coming into another, um, uh, approximately 28 by 20 garage. Um, and then a proposed house here. So the house meets all the setback requirements on lot two. That lot is about 9,451 square feet.
So there's two special permits we're requesting. One is for the lot size averaging to create the lots, um, and two, which is you've seen before. Um, extensively there is sewer, uh, and water services available to both. Um, so it meets those criteria. Um, uh, in addition, we're also requesting a side setback variance to allow for the garage, actually not a variance, I'm sorry, a side, a dimensional special permit. I think it is for the side setback. A reduction in, uh, four and a half feet from the 15 foot required.
We put it at 10 feet. I think those are the two special permits you had before you, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. Rob, quick question that, that, so you're, you're uh, explaining that the existing home there now is just gonna Be Or not now replaced? Uh, it's gonna be renovated and a garage would be added. Wow, okay. Yep. One car, two car, Uh, two car 24 by 24 will allow for two cars. Nobody lives in that home now, correct? I don't know. No. Anybody in the public have a question of fact.
We're All here for the parking room. My wife wanted to know what that was, by the Way, I got one question on the, uh, existing house. There's a, a little, it looks like a walkway or something to the right hand side. I can't make out what it is on this print 'cause it's just all fuzzy. I can't read it. Is it possible to go to the street view? Maybe. I don't know if you have that. I'm high. I'm high maintenance. Yes, it's cute. Is there, uh, the sidewalk or is that what we're talking about Is on the right hand side? I don't know. It comes off the back of the house
and then it comes down to the street. Yeah, there's a look Like walk path or something. Yeah, That's two walking path. It looks like one here. Oops, Sorry. And there's one that leads over to the back of the other house or from the, from that. Yeah. It connects to that one right there. Are those gonna be taken out or you can leave 'em in there? Uh, the garage will be on the left side of the house. So, well, The garages on the other side of the house. Yeah, but that walking path and that is in the back of it. There's one that goes toward the other, over the other house is Gonna go, yeah, that would be ripped out as part of the construction for this house.
Yes. It's a concrete, a couple concrete walkways. Yeah. So that would, that concrete walkway see right here, they're gonna remove that whole concrete walkway. Okay. I don't know if maybe Don will be just something, something with the one in front, maybe rehab it or, yeah, I was thinking of maybe That one. Go to the driveway on the left side of the house. The one in the front. Um, Please come, please come to the microphone. Identify yourself. So the one I identify yourself please. Don Leland, 42 Shepherd Street, Westfield. So the one on that goes to the front of the house.
I was thinking of, um, running that one towards the driveway of where the new garage is gonna be built. Correct. And then the one on the left, on the right side, that one's gonna be removed. Okay. Any other comments or questions? Is, is there a reason other than we want to for having a two car garage that requires a waiver as opposed to putting on one car, which would not Just the normal Tetris that you play in the morning. Probably right where you have, you know, if you have multiple people living in the house with a
or with a car, which typically happens, um, a single car garage in a single driveway. You have to get up in the morning, kick your husband out of bed, make sure he moves his car in time, that kind of thing. I think that's really, know it's much more marketable than a single family, but is that fair to say? Correct. That's pretty much it. Questions, comments? I just kind of, I would like to ask a question about the house that's going to be built. I think you said it was 2100. Did you give the square footage? Uh, I think we did. Let me
just find that for you. Yeah, I can find that please. So there's, um, oh, Okay. That's what I want to know. It's gonna be, So it's kind of an integrated garage. So it has a front, well lemme give this to you, Kind of the facade, the porch and layout. Okay. But it's two story. That's basically one they know. And, um, number of bedrooms is three. Three, yeah. Uh, looks like Four. Four bedrooms. Four. Okay. Thank you. Do we have a plan for that? Well, he has it, It's in the packet. I think it's in my packet. Do You have that? Oh, I didn't see it in the packet. Yeah, it's in,
Maybe I didn't go far enough Jay, because this is a special permit. The neighbors were notified of this, correct? I i, I went up there and, and I mean, it's quiet little area that I don't think I've been up in my life, but I went up there and checked it Out's In there. Bill. Gotta go way down. Housing. Quick question. There was, in, in the back there was a, a post small post and tag on the back. What does, what does that signify? Is that where that garage is gonna Be Going with that house? It was, it could have been a survey stake. I don't know that the garage was staked out yet or
Anything. It looked real. It looked real tight. Made it look, made a lot look real tight. If there were gonna anything you Not, it probably from our survey control. Typically when we have like a, you know, you set up the tripod and the total station. Yeah. Just Like a little piece of wood with an orange. Orange. Yeah. Is this gonna be the biggest house on the suite at 2100 square feet? Uh, it sounds like the neighbor is saying yes. I don't, I dunno. Hard, Tough. Yeah. Do you have the average size of the houses on that street? I do not have that. That don't? Oh wait. Um, we have the average lot size. I don't know that we have the average lot size
square footage of the houses. I don't think that's part of it. Yeah, I saw the lot sizes that saw. Thank you. Um, Jane, I'm doing a quick review of the houses in the immediate area. Okay. Most of them are just under 1500 square feet, but there are a couple that are in the 23 2400 square feet. Okay. And there's a, there's a, um, I think one or two that are like 1700 and then you tack on a porch and everything else, which make 'em look much larger. Bigger. Okay. So it's not gonna look out of,
It's not gonna look grossly outta place. Yeah. So, alright. Again, anybody wanna speak in favor of speak against come to the microphone. We do have a, um, draft condition here. Um, I will read it. Um, special permit infill lot size in 10 avenue draft conditions. One, the lot shall be created and laid out in general conformance, which submitted special permit filing plan prepared by AR of that associates dated 1 21 26 2. The new dwelling shall be constructed in a style incite,
generally conforming with the submitted house plans. Imagery showing, uh, covered entry porch recess garage. The proposed three, the proposed attached garage to the existing house shall have a side yard setback of not less than 10.5 feet to come forward to compensate for the lost green space. At least one shade tree, two inch minimum caliper at planting shall be installed and maintained or retained if existing on each lot trees in the adjoining street right away
with city approvals, all shall satisfy this condition. Five. The rights granted by the special permit are twofold. A creation reduction of the lots for which this permit shall have been deemed to be substantially used upon recording of the lot. Plan registered deeds. Such plan shall describe the book and page in which the special permit is recorded. And b, new dwelling construction commencement of which shall be subject to the three year time period for action as pursuant to the general conditions. Then we Have our normal draft findings.
Uh, Mr. Chair, I should just note. So I, I check the calculations. I come up with a little bit of a different number, but based on our rounding rules, it doesn't change the outcome of the neighborhood averages. Okay. We're ready to vote. We need somebody to close the public hearing. Any other comments, questions? I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. All those a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Do I hear a motion? Anybody? I'll make a motion to approve the special permit infield and left size averaging for 10 Ethan Avenue with the conditions as read
A second. Okay. Will start with Rich. Yes. Ray? Yes. Bernie? Yes. Dylan? Yes. Jane? Yes. And I am a yes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Next on the agenda is the dog, the dog house. Bark and brew LLC for a special permitt site. Plan for zoning. Ordinance three dash 1 23 8 and six dash 10 to allow a pet kennel, dog care
dog daycare at 68 mainline drive zone business B and floodplain Again for this hearing, the chair recognizes Rich Deloy for Cheryl Crowe and Dylan Sweeney For John Bowen is the applicant here. Hello? Hello. Welcome. Put that down a bit. My name is Sarah Pier. Uh, our address, my husband here, Nick Pyres, 50 Van Horn Street in West Springfield. And we are here to talk to you today about the doghouse bark and brew that we would like to see at 68 Mainline Drive. I guess I'll go ahead and give an overview of what it is
because it is a very unique facility. Um, and just go over, um, how we plan to structure it and of course address any concerns that you have. Uh, so we know Westfield is very friendly with dogs. You have your own dog park, you have groomers, uh, you have trainers. Um, you had kind of had businesses kind of everywhere that support dogs. Uh, so we love that. Uh, we lived in the south, uh, briefly and when we were there, we came across a place that allowed you to take your dogs inside and you could hang out. Um, in short it was a bar, uh,
but you could take your dogs inside and outside. Um, so when we moved back up here with the eternal winters, we thought it would be a very good thing to bring in, uh, that idea up here where you can have somewhere that's, uh, warm in the winter and cool in the summer, and your dog and your kids, literally your whole family can come and enjoy the space. Uh, so the facility will have a groomer and we'll have a trainer. It will also be a kennel and daycare. And about 2,500 square feet of it is a indoor, uh, play space for the dogs and also a cafe.
Say that loosely because it's a self-serve coffee machine. Uh, there's no baristas. I definitely am not making anyone any lattes. Um, and then the, um, the thought is to have on rotation food trucks and beverage trucks outside, um, to meet those needs. So you could hang out, watch the games that are on, or just, you know, on a rainy day when you don't wanna let your dog out in the mud or go walking in the, you know, five foot snow banks that you have somewhere to go and don't have to worry about, um, the New England weather. So overall, because there's so many different parts
to this business, I was very mindful. My, my degree is in interior design. I've had my own interior design business for 20 plus years. Um, and so I was able to very thoughtfully, um, pursue the layout for this so that it made sense for all those different business types. Uh, because of that. Um, the daycare portion and the cafe portion have different hours. The al course is 24 7, where we plan to have a staff that would stay with them overnight. Um, for safety protocols, um, there is an outdoor portion to this business, which if you've seen a main line has a
great size parking lot, an outdoor portion. So we plan to have, um, standard like six foot fencing that you'd see. Um, and a, a residential area in the backyard, um, that would be fenced off separate for the kennel and daycare dogs and separate for the public that would be bringing in their dogs, but they would never be in the same space. Um, the outdoor times would be kept to a minimum and there would be no outdoor, uh, dogs, whether at kennel, daycare or, uh, from the public in the cafe side, um,
past 8:00 PM And, um, the overnight boarding dogs are housed indoors. It's not something where they have runs where they're allowed outside without staff that's there with them. I think the next concern usually with these type of facilities, um, is the cleanliness and the sanitation. Um, so of course, um, something we're doing to keep that, um, top priority is to make sure, um, the flooring is very, uh, non-porous. We're looking at epoxy flooring there, um, constant cleanup, um, sanitation stations, um, that's removed and,
and messes are cleaned up immediately. Um, our ratio for safety is one to 10 at the max. We, we would strive for a six, uh, one to six or one to eight with the dogs. Um, keeping in mind that the public that's bringing in their dogs are keeping with their dogs. It's not like a drop off where my staff is just watching your dog unless you're paying us too on the kennel and daycare side. Um, the outdoor space, like I said, for those that are coming in just from the public is just walled off with outdoor furniture and fencing. Um, you can sit out there and hang out with your dog
and there's agility equipment for them and nice furniture for you. And on the inside there's an indoor park for them as well as where our kennel and daycare dogs that are kept separate. I think I've addressed what I'm concerned with when I take my three dogs to anywhere that they stay is the cleanliness, the safety, um, and to also make sure that, um, it's somewhere that I feel safe. And so that's the goal of this facility is that it's somewhere where you can go with your pet, with your kids, um, feel safe and relax, um, no matter the weather.
Um, I'm from the south, so I'm used to really good sunshine weather. So New England weather is something that presents a challenge for me. Awesome. Oh, so, uh, health and safety requirements. So that is something, um, that is at the forefront of anyone's mind is dogs in an enclosed facility. How do you keep that safe with the general public coming in? Um, so something that we have is what normal day daycare and kennel dogs have, where is software for each dog where you're keeping records of their vaccines, which is of course required in Ollie's law is something
that's brought that even more into light within the last few years. Um, so those that are coming in from the public, we would be taking their information and registering their pets, making sure that they're up to date on vaccines. There's also a temperament process where we go through 'em where, um, we would be observing the dog with some of our trained dogs that we have there to see and make sure that they're safe with humans, um, and pets alike. Okay. Any questions? What Is the maximum number of dogs you'd be able to, um, house overnight? So the kennels, I have 28 kennels. Um,
One dog to a kennel. What's that one dog? To a kennel? Yes. Yes. Okay. And is there a maximum number of nights they can stay? I mean, for kennel we, like, we put up our dogs when we go on vacation where it's, you know, sometimes when we go to Texas it's seven nights or 10 nights. Um, but again, that's 20 that the kennel side is 24 7. Okay. Where I have the overnight staff and then my full-time there's three full-timers, myself and a part-timer. Okay. Yep. Thank you. You're welcome. So what would the maximum, I I, you said 30 overnight, but like even during the day, you call the max max out 30
or would you go higher than that based on the square Footage? Um, and the kennel, it's 28 'cause kennel are dogs that are staying overnight. Right. Uh, the daycare portion is, uh, there's requirements per square footage that you can have per dog. And then there's also more importantly, is the ratio of employees to dogs. Um, like I said, all these laws, something that's, um, come into light and brought that, you know, it's, it's important that the, the ratio is right. So I don't have an answer or direction. Honestly, anyone I've spoken to has, um, and the city's been like, I've never heard of this type of facility. So it's kind of new. We don't know
what that answer would be. Um, so for the daycare portion, um, all I can tell you is safety wise, the ratio wouldn't go beyond a one to 10 of the staff that's on site. Okay. I know the state gotten, I'm sure you're familiar with Holly's law, Right? That's what I just said. Yep. Yep. And yeah, so I, I know they're getting stripped around. Yeah. June they're supposed to come out with their, yeah. Yep. Alright. And what, what would the hours be for the, uh, daycare? Not, not the overnight, just So the daycare, um, drop off and pick up is between um,
Six, where do I have it here? Oh, uh, 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM uh, Monday through Friday is drop off. Okay. Um, so it's limited for the drop off there and then pick up, uh, would be anywhere between four and six 30. So they'd have to come back by six 30 to pick up their Dog? Yes. And then there, there is the availability to, um, have extended, you know, if they had a late night, um, but beyond like an hour past or late night, we'd go ahead and book 'em to the kennel. Okay. Thank you. Mm-hmm. You are not dropping off for the hour while they go shopping or anything Like that? Um, they could at the daycare, but they had to pay me a half day
Also. What will your hours be for the, um, the, the uh, the pub hours where people can come in and hang around with their dog and, you know, get something from the food truck? Uh, the cafe would be 7:00 AM to 6:00 PM kind trying to mirror kind of the daycare hours and, um, thinking of people coming in wanting the early morning coffee, um, people wanting to come after work and hang out a little bit. We do plan on having, um, special events. So maybe a puppy bowl during Super Bowl where we'd wanna maybe have later hours. Um, but of course keeping the noise, um, inside and, and not trying to do anything
outside if we have later hours for those events. Um, Okay. Thank you. I'm looking at the layout here of the, of the building, the plan view of the building. And I see you're talking about, and I hope I got the right buildings. Was it an L-shaped building and then there's a straight building? Uh, only a straight building at Me. The straight building. Okay. And you're getting, you taking half of that building? No, I'm taking the whole building. I had sent Jay a a floor plan. I don't know if you Yeah, I, okay, I've got the floor. Sorry. So you're taking the whole building? Well there's something about, I saw red somewhere about half the only taking half the building, but okay, so you're taking the whole building
then you've got the, you show an area fenced in area Outside? Yes, sir. Outside of it. I see. With the exception of a little bit on the right hand side of the building, I see all pavement out there. Yes. So You're gonna be, you're gonna be putting the dogs on on pavement? Yes. So the outdoor portions there is grass on the right side where there's existing chain link. Um, so we would utilize that as, you know, maybe special events and things. Um, but where the fence would be, uh, um, I'm gonna feel like a van of white here for a minute. Um, the fence would be about this.
It comes out about here where this pad is here for the kennel side. 'cause there's three garage bays there. And so yeah, they'd be on the, um, on the pavement there. And then it would be separate for the daycare dogs. Uh, daycare dogs are back here and then the public would be here. But yes, it would be, um, on the pavement so we could hose it down and keep it, you know, scrub itself and things. The pavement is, that's, that's the south side of the buildings that's gonna get sun all day long. That pavement's gonna get Hot? Yeah, I mean we definitely will, um, be doing things. We, we plan on having pools and misters and things like that. Shades and the, um, the dog beds that are made
for special outdoor and that type of thing. Um, the thought is on nice days you roll those garage doors up and they're going right into the indoor space. Um, so again, this, you know, the public would be able to come in and out as they please in our dogs that are in the kennel and daycare. Um, they're usually out for 20 minute, um, spurts. But yeah, definitely, um, taking advantage, um, of the inside and the cooling is needed. While you're over there, please would you point out where the grass is? I don't really see Just this, this long section. All right here. Oh, but this doesn't look very grassy. Maybe it's just a picture. I'm looking at
the picture on the computer. It's not necessarily pretty grass, but it's grass. And do you know what, uh, what square feet that area would be about how many square feet On the outside rich? Uh, on the grass. The, the part that's grass that you plan on utilizing? Um, no, 'cause I hadn't really planned on utilizing the grass portion. This Could all be grass, not utilizing grass. I thought you said there was gonna be grass area outside for the dogs. No, there's, there is grass out there. Uh, what he was asking about. Yeah. Oh, so the, the dogs would strictly be on pavement. I, I must have misunderstood what you said.
Oh yeah. No. Where it's fenced in. I had a floor planned where it was, I showed the fencing, but it's fenced in on the pavement for the outdoor where like the outdoor furniture and things would be. But for special events and when we have food trucks and things, they may utilize, um, that area there. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Still plus 20. And then if they really need to crush you, just So are they exiting the building? It's gonna be up to the customer we're at. If you're gonna talk, do what to Mike please? Business name, name and address at the microphone.
It's, uh, Jeff in 600 Montgomery Road. And go ahead. Now you can answer The answer to your question is, uh, Dana is looking at another building, uh, here in town. Uh, we're not vacating the town In your, your relationship is The business manager of Danny Flo. Okay. So you're, you're with the, you're with the group? Yeah. Yeah. I'm with Danny Flooring, the owner of, uh, six eight Main Metro. Okay. Can I ask you, do you have food trucks, um, lined up already? And are there specific hours and days that they're going to be there? So my, because I don't have food there, I won't be prepping food.
Right. There's no kitchen in the facility. Our thought is to have a constant rotation. Um, and partnerships, um, you know, that are set on Mondays, you can expect this one on Tuesdays are here. Um, and I've spoken with several that people have, um, been excited about in the surrounding cities. So you're gonna have a schedule that will be posted so people will know when you're going to have the food and beverage chair, right? Yep. Thank you. Your name? Um, references Bark and Brew. Mm-hmm. And that infers liquor. Is there gonna be liquor? Well, it's a play on words because coffee is also brew. Okay. Um,
but no, uh, pursuing the liquor license was not something I wanted to do at one point. Um, and in the future, maybe A-B-Y-O-B. Um, but in the beginning we'd like to start off with beverage trucks that carry that license and, and bring that on the, on the premises. Did you guys know that? I'm joking. Could breathe. Okay. Comments or questions? Oh, Nice. Quiet area. And I think it's, you need a definitely another, uh, doggy daycare that we have just in this big is
Full. Yes, they do really well. And when do you anticipate opening? Well, the hope is to be open by the fall. Okay. Thank you. I I do have concern with the, with the hot pavement, but I think it can be mitigated with Yes. You know, natural, natural resources for the dogs. Right? Yes. Okay. Um, you Know, But I think I agree. I don't, I think it's a good thing. So I believe that, I mean, if, if people believe it be safe for their dogs and the what they have for grass, if not, they'll probably
expand some grassy areas for the, for the animals Shade structures and that type of thing. For sure. Anybody in the, um, public before or against please come forward. Do draft Special permit Pet kennel 68 mainline drive. I will read the draft conditions and exterior pet waste station bags. Receptacle shall be provided at the parking lot. And do we have any need to limit the number of dogs or operating hours or board, um, for boarding? We have, we have the hours that they want,
which are acceptable to me. Should we put that in the conditions or the number of dogs in the condition of it? I mean, she's spoken to the amount of dogs that she has and the number of kennels she has. Is there any need to condition that? From what I understand, there's been problems in the past, not necessarily in Westfield with these type of facilities where they say that dogs are gonna be limited to a number and they're not. There's more there. So I don't know if that's something we need to do. I know it, it's probably not the normal thing to do.
I I would have to defer to you dog owners in all here exists. I'm assuming that it would be covered underneath the, the, the laws for Ollie's Law and things like that. Which, what law? The, what is this? Ollie's Law? Yeah, Ollie's Law. I'm assuming that the is specific to the ratios that comes out in June with what those ratios are mandated by the state OkayAnd. I'm assuming the state has it under control. So you would have state inspectors that come in to make sure you're complying with that loss. Yeah, there, it's, it's a big thing on record keeping vaccines. Okay. Um, temperaments of the dogs,
which is why we definitely would have that in place. And then the ratios employees to dogs, because even well-behaved dogs are still dogs. Okay. No, thank you. I guess we won't need to do anything to conditions that Have in the past. Have you conditioned Jay, the number of dogs You have? Um, I'm trying to think. Union Street won. They've come back a few times to ask for an increase in, in your cap you put on Yeah. A day in that facility. So that's, yeah. You know, I, I would go away by that number, but I guess if they're following the along, good to go. So, I mean, it's up, it's up to the board if you want
to condition hours or dogs. Um, you know, this is kind of an isolated spot, so, um, I don't think the kind of neighborhood concerns might be as, uh, might be there compared to some other locations. But Can I ask a question about the olives laws? There are a number of square feet minimum per dog that you need to have space wise. So Ollie's Law, they're supposed to rule out until the ratios, from what I understand is June. Um, so I haven't seen anything that said, um, the square footage.
Okay, but you don't know if that's coming out in June or not? I do not. I know what they were big on Recommendations. 75 square feet to a hundred square feet. The dog. Does that sound Right? Um, I haven't seen that in anything, but that doesn't mean that's not the case. Okay. Yeah, but I've got, I saw, I I, I happened to look up a wrong master that was just put in and, um, I I thought I read that. That was Okay. I'll, I mean, if that's the case, the dog daycare and kennel side is about 4,500 square feet. Thank you. And then the other about 5,000 is the, um,
the public kind of space. And you're gonna limit the number of people that could come in at a time to be in there with their dogs. Well, I'm, I, I don't know how it would work with, um, fire code and occupancy and all of that. So I need that number to be able to dial it back to what I'd have to equip and have employees for. Okay, but you're gonna make sure you keep an eye on that, right? I'd have to. Okay. Absolutely. What's the size of the cafe? There's no numbers. It's about 1200 square feet, but it's, it's, you know, separated off by a fence between the indoor play area. So that can be adjusted if we're having an
adoption event or something like that. Any further questions? I mean, there is, uh, an existing sign. I think that would just be refaced. Yes. There's an exiting, Uh, an existing ground sign at the driveway. Yes. Out kind of way out in the room. It's a quiet, it's, it's, I mean, I can't imagine after five o'clock there's, there's any traffic down there at all. I mean, it's a very quiet area. I think You hours, whatever hours you set in the past establishments Because You're, you're obviously seven two Week. Yes. Uh, if there are no more questions, do I hear a motion to close public hearing?
I'll make a motion to close a public hearing. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. So hear a motion on the special permit. So just, um, since there was some discussion about Ollie's Law, I don't know if you want to add that to your findings that you find there'll be enough safeguards from the state level. I think we should do that just to have something clear then we, you know, 'cause we're not gonna establish anything if the loss come out in June then just has to abide by that. Right. So we can add that finding. Although you guys, everybody in agreement with that? Yes. Yep. Was that a yes, rich? Yes. Okay.
Alright. Do I hear a motion on the special permit? I'll make a motion to approve the special permit for the dog house bark and brew LLC, um, with the conditions set forth Second. Okay. We'll start the other way. Bernie? Uh, yes. Dylan? Yes. Jane? Yes. Ray? Yes. Rich? Yes. And I am a yes.
Awesome Congrat. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Bear with me. Bear with me a minute. Go ahead Jay. You say something. Oh, good luck. So You don't do this normally. I wanna make sure I read this. Um, Congratulations on getting your special permit approved. As the applicant owner, you cannot utilize the rights granted in this special permit without having met all conditions and requirements of the permit. You have additional steps which must be met before this approval becomes valid per state law.
You must wait 20 days after the planning board files the decision with the city clerk. This is a 20 day appeal period, allowing any aggrieved party to appeal their our decision after the appeal period. You must obtain the city clerk's signature on the decision and you must record the special permit with the registry of deeds. This will all be spelled out in an instruction sheet mailed, um, with your decision. Most importantly, you must continue to comply with the terms and conditions of the special permit through the life of the permit. If you are not in compliance, city
and state code allow for various means of enforcement should your non-compliance rise to our level. We reserve the right to revoke your special permit. We appreciate and welcome your willingness to do business in our good city. And we ask you to cooperate and respect the citizens and procedures. We look forward to your success and hope, uh, see you before us again as your business grows and your needs change. Thank you for your time and understanding and cooperation. And I like the project. It's nice. Thank you. Thank you you so much. Thank you. Looking forward to it. Thank you guys. Thank you for your time. Good luck. Good luck. Thank you. Back. That concludes our public hearings.
Next on the agenda, review of plans, not required approval under subdivision control. We have 1 46 Main Street. So this is, uh, pretty straightforward A and r. You could see that lot a being carved out. Um, certainly has adequate frontage, Checks all the classes. It might look a little confusing because the zone district lines are on there too. They kind of look like lot lines, but um, it's just the lot a So lot a is being carved out of that big law. Right. Okay.
Uh, what's that? What's the, that access piece in there to that back lot? What's, how big is that? Well, um, Or am I not seeing this right? Yeah, it's, it's, those are zone lines, zone district lines. So there's three zones that meet there. Um, they're not actually lot lines, so it isn't really a strip. Okay. So how do you access that lot and that that's all accessed? Well, that whole rest of it, including those buildings above, that's all remaining as part of what's left over from lot A. So it's lot a that little
rectangle and then everything else. Oh, okay. The other lot a is that the rest of it's all still one piece. Right? Right. It's those zone lines kind of make it look like it's chopped into more parcels, but it's Not. Okay. Yeah. 'cause we just changed the zone on this, didn't we? Right, right. And we changed the zone on the front or the whole business? The upper part. The re c part. Yeah. Alright. But that's still all one piece, right? It's only, the only lot is a latte car Coming. Okay. Because I remember when we did that, there was, there was a, there was a a,
a access weight to that back piece. There were some concepts. Yeah, this is, I mean obviously it gets developed as was proposed. There'll be a site plan and all that, but um, right now it's just carving that. Okay. So if we, I guess where I'm going with that is we carved that section out, which, which is fine 'cause it looks like it's a nice little lot when we, if when they go to break that piece off and do the building or whatever they're talking about on there, we can make, we can cut an access road to that whole back section. Right?
Well we can, but they, they could, you know, they have multiple options against They have. We gotta, we've gotta get an access to that back piece somewhere in Here. Well not necessarily, but if it were to be developed or separate as a separate lot yet. Yeah, Separate. If it's separate off a separate piece. Yeah. But right now it's Doesn't matter. Okay. It's Not showing that Your a motion on the a and r Make a motion to accept the A and r second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. We're onto other business For, Uh, first 2133 Southampton, the pride station
request for a special permit site plan extension. Originally granted 4 6 21. I'm assuming this is why you stayed the rest of our meeting. I Out of all the Joints. Thank you sir. For the record, Rob Levek, I am representing, um, this project is kind of transitioning. So, um, the Pride Group that was owned by Bob Bullock was developing this property prior to Bob selling Pride Gas stations. He sold that a few years back to I think GPM investments. And as part of that sale,
this property did not go with that. And this property is actually a lease from mass DOT. It's like a hundred year lease or something like that. So this property, the um, Starbucks site which you guys had reviewed and approved along with, uh, hot Table, that piece friendlies. And then all the way down to the time bond building is all kind of this, um, mass DOT land that is leased. So, um, there's a new proponent, um, I've intro, uh, made introductions for him within the city and he's also been to the city council recently with us
for a license to store. So that's for the, the gas tanks, um, and diesel tanks. So we went and had one meeting with the um, uh, the city council. They referred it to subcommittee. We expect to get the license to store at their next available, um, city council meeting. But what I wanted to do today was let you know that we're here this evening, uh, on behalf of Johnny Chiru is the new proponent. He is a regional developer, uh, of gas and operator of gas stations. New, uh, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, um,
and uh, into Connecticut and I think beyond. Um, so they have a number of stores, um, well, well-known operator. So similar to a Mr. Bullock type of guy. Um, uh, he is, um, pursuing this Property in its entirety. This is the Other site. So that's, that's, um, staying with Mr. Bullock. I think that's part of his foundation now. Um, which helps kids in Springfield with education and kind of giving 'em a leg up. So, um, I believe that's part of that. But this portion will be, the lease will be transferred
to Johnny Kairos. So this project will be being pursued. We're working through some mass DOT details right now. I would expect that this would be a 2026 start, uh, for this project. So we're requesting a continuance, I'm sorry, not a continuance. So requesting a, an extension, um, to allow us to um, have the permit stay valid. And then, um, the other, the other item that we would just wanna make sure it, we're probably gonna have a couple minor amendments that might be, um, they're not, they'll be forthcoming
after we work through the DOT stuff. Um, but we'll either handle that administratively through your planner or if it's more appropriate we'll come back and amend. Uh, but right now we're just asking for an extension to keep the permits valid. You said, um, commencing roughly 2026. That is the goal. Um, that's somewhat subject to, uh, mass DOT, but we are in good shape and good stead with them. So yeah, that, that looks like it would be probably a late, mid to late, probably a late summer, early fall 26 start if everything stays on track the way it's, when,
When Does that lease expire or when does that under your lease end? Oh, I don't know. Is it far out still? I think he's had it for quite some time. He probably has had it for 15 or maybe maybe 15. When was the, uh, the hotel up there developed? 'cause I think that's part of the same 20 something years ago. So probably about 20 years is my guess. I can confirm that, but I don't probably at least that. Yeah. Would the applicant be willing to clean up the, the property, throw some paint on, get the graffiti off, you Know? Absolutely. So, so the, um, the, the lease
transfer is contingent upon, uh, the approvals, uh, of the, which is really mostly mass DOT now. 'cause obviously local approval was granted. Um, the license to store I would expect would come to into place in the next two weeks or so. Um, so it's really just the mass DOT stuff. So, um, I could talk to Johnny and see, um, right now there's a bunch of snow on the ground, but certainly I would say there was no reason why Johnny or or Bob shouldn't clean up that area until it's started. It's an eyesore. Yeah.
Yeah. So it's technically leased by Bob still. Mm-hmm. So I could talk to him right now, that'd probably be the most appropriate. And then obviously talk to Johnny to make sure that when things get going, um, same gets taken care of Anybody else. Um, alright. If we, if we were to extend this now, we've already given a permit based on a plan they had. Yes sir. Are they gonna use the exact same plan going forward? Or, and again, you may have said something about this, but I already, 'cause I if they're gonna change it, I definitely want to see what's gonna happen. Right,
Right. So I would, yeah, so, and I, I think that's accurate and fair. So right now, I'm here tonight just to extend the permits. I would anticipate that there will be some minor adjustments based on mass DOT. One of the big components was that mass, DOT um, Lemme Show you here. Can you guys see this fan? Well, They have it. It's on, yeah, we are, it's on your shared drive. Okay. So on, you know, where we come around, we'll call it the, or call it call relief or whatever, but we're coming around and we're getting on to um, yeah, to go onto the, we're getting onto the highway, right?
So the big thing for mass DOT is they originally we were anticipating and we wanted to have left turns to be able to go into this site mass, DOT we basically are willing to forego that movement and, and work with mass DOT so that we one, don't gunk up that movement. And if we eliminated that movement, the signal that was required or would've been required for that left turn movement is no longer required. So we're working with mass DOT
to eliminate the need for that signal. And I'll kind of give you a little bit of inside baseball, which you may already be aware of. So there has been some discussion, um, and I don't, I don't think I'm speaking outta school, but they're looking at that intersection. Again, I think the city is looking at that. If you guys have seen these roundabout things everywhere, they're talking about the double roundabouts. Yeah. Okay. So all right. So, so there's something out there, and it's not necessarily, and I'll let the city speak about it, but there's basically an idea at some point and maybe in the next decade or so that something would happen there
where it would incorporate two really either one or two roundabouts, right? Right. So our point to mass DOT and to get the project moving, we said, look, you know, if the roundabouts or this happening doesn't make sense to put a $500,000 light in and then take it out a couple years later, what if we forego that left turn? It does, what does that change? So Mass DOT basically came back and said, yeah, and I don't wanna speak for them, but generally it sounds like they agree with us. Now we're looking at the finer points of what's going on there. Um, so that right now we have a condition, so for the next decade that would work.
That wouldn't require a left turn, meets all the, you know, all the turning movements, et cetera. So that plan will likely adjust some of the curb cuts and some of the little details. So we would be back before you with an amendment. So that's kind of foreshadowing what, what I think will happen not only with the mass DOT stuff immediately this year for us, which will allow us to move forward with our project, but also we're, we've, we've adjusted conceptually, not, not before you guys yet,
but conceptually we've also adjusted our, our, uh, parking area away from that area so that we could accommodate for the, for the city that roundabout. So there's a little like a, it's like a little piece of the pizza right. Gets clipped out of our site. Well that was, that was one of my, my concerns with that piece of property was if they put the roundabout in it, they're gonna, they're gonna have to go somewhere with It. So we've been provided the geometry of a very early concept. Yeah, I've Seen, I've seen it Earlier. Okay. Okay. But the other thing is, you know,
when we approved this, we approved it with so many parking spaces in the building in such a space and then that the truck area in the back and all that stuff. Yep. And you know, I really don't want to just say, okay, we're gonna extend this, but not have you come back and say, well we decided we're gonna change this whole backend, but you already got the permit in there, so we're gonna do Well that would be, we need to, we need to, we need to be sure that you, I need to be sure that, that you're gonna come, that you're gonna come back with any significant, any changes that you do to this,
We will come back with anything. And I think So we can have a discussion. Yeah. I don't, I don't think that, although they are not, it's still a convenience store in the same general location. It's still the same general parking lot, the, the islands, et cetera. The curb cuts are different. So we would no matter what, be required to come in. Well, well That, and the thing is, you've got a new, a new person running this thing right. And he's got a vision, which is not the same as the vision the guy had before. Right. So he's gonna want to make modifications and changes to suit his vision. Yes. And that's where we need, And he's very amenable. He's
To look at it and have a conversation about it. Yeah. And He, he, he's a, actually a very good communicator and really enjoy working with him so far. Um, I've known him through other, uh, commercial folks that I work with in the area. So I think you'll be pleased that, you know, his approach is to communicate and um, yes, he will be readily available through that process as well. Okay. So yes. Um, so I would absolutely expect to, uh, need to amend this. The special part, so tonight is just to uh, extend it, not change it with the understanding
that we will likely be in, and I'm gonna say second quarter of 2026, maybe late second quarter of 2026. And that's pending kind of where we're at with mass DOT, which sometimes gets was a little slower than I, I think. So not, not them, but sometimes I'm trying to keep things moving and they don't always move as fast. So, um, so yeah. So let's just say second sec, late second, early third quarter of 2026, I would expect to be before the board looking at curb cuts and adjustments and making sure that not only mass DOT's, okay,
but the planning board is okay with those adjustments. The, I can tell you that the general concept is all the same. There's, the site layout will generally be as is curb cuts might be slightly different. Um, but the convenience store is I think slightly lar uh, slightly smaller actually than the other one. So gas station, c store, uh, truck, uh, ba truck, uh, you know, island fueling islands in the back. So, so varies, you know, a lot like what you see here. Um, just eliminating some movements.
You said Bob is selling this to the new owner? I don't think that's the appropriate way to say it. So it's a lease. My understanding is it's a lease. The property is leased lease somehow through mast. Let's say it's a hundred year lease. Right. So either, either assigning it or subleasing, I don't know the correct term legally, but, so they will have, Johnny Kairos will have control over the, uh, subject property and development rights. Okay. Any other questions? What extension are you looking for? Are you looking for like a 12 month, a 24 month a date?
I think a 12 month should be fine because I fully expect that I would need to amend it and that I'd think at I, and assuming Jay thinks this is appropriate, I would think at that point if we could, you know, um, at that, you know, maybe we ask for a two year normal, um, you know, timeframe for the amendment and yeah, I mean they want to, there there's no question this is, this is either happening right away or it's, you know, or it's not. So when I say right away, I mean 26 is the agreement I'm in favor of a 12 month as long as they clean up the Building. Well, I just gotta, I
got a, I got a question about that. So if we do a 12 month extension, does that mean it needs, the project needs to be completed in 12 months? No, It just needs to start. Well they just need to like pull a building permit then you need to exercise the permit. Okay. I just, I don't want you to be in the middle of it and then we'll come back and see it again. I can find out about the possibility of the de uh, demolition on the, on the friendlies when that would take place. Uh, 'cause again, that's a nice war, that building, is that what you're talking, are you talking, obviously I know the site, right? Mm-hmm. Making sure the site stays clean. Yeah.
But, but also the, also the friendlies. I Just don't want graffiti. I want, I don't want, the first thing people see coming outta Westfield is Graffiti. It's become broken windows in a parking lot ever since. Oh, Okay. Yeah. Okay. Alright. I'll, I'll find out about that. That I haven't had a discussion on, but I, I certainly can chase the others and that. So motion time? I believe so. Alright, well I'll make a motion to extend, I guess, how are we gonna say this? I make an extension for the project. Uh, anybody got an address? 21 to 33 South Hampton Road.
21 to 33 South Hampton Road for 12 months on second. So, so 12 months from the expiration brings it to April 6th, 2027 Fy Okay. Fair enough. Works for me. And again, I would expect to be in, you know, this summer or before. Nobody's making money as it sits the way it is True. I'll rely on you. Do we need to put in there any condition about cleaning up the building? Uh, say that again. I will rely on your opinion right now. Do we need to put in a condition about cleaning up the building?
I don't know that Johnny Chiru controls it yet. I know. I don't think he does. I think Mr. Bulldog does. Um, what would you would but still Would be in his best interest if he wants to assign a lease to make sure that it's clean so it does go through, right. So I look at it from saying, okay, I don't think it really matters who controls it 'cause it's in both their best interest to make sure it's Clean. So my guess is that if this, if everything goes well with mass DOT and we get things amended through your you folks and say end of first quarter,
so I would say they would be demolishing the building in hopefully before September if they could. So spending a lot of money in the building probably is not cost effective. I mean, I can ask you, I mean, if there's specifics, like do we want to, I don't know if we want port up windows. Are there bad windows? I haven't, to be honest with, I haven't really. It looks like the kids Went by and decided to, uh, check their aim on rocks, wood rocks, and then they graffiti the, and it just turned, its turned into a, maybe a up, they call it parking share or parking ride. Right. Parking
Lot. I'm not concerned about That. But you, I'm More concerned about needs to get a coffee. I'm more concerned about it being tagged. Okay. Um, let me find out how that can be addressed, because I know they're gonna probably take it down. They're probably not gonna only paint the building, but they could clean it up and get the graffiti off or whatever they do. I don't know, power washing or something. Something. Um, so I will, I will relay, I can tell you I can relay that tomorrow. Mm-hmm. And, and copy the planning board, uh, through Jay and through your, through the chair. I can copy you guys on that email about the concern over it.
And I will direct that to Mr. Bullock at this point. 'cause I believe he still controls it. So, Are we okay with this guys? Yep. Yeah. Yep. Okay. All those. I'll actually send it before I leave the room so I don't forget All those in favor of this motion. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Did anybody second it? Yes. Oh yeah, Richard. Oh, I did. Richard did? Yeah. Okay. All right. One year. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Good to see everybody. Is there a public meeting on that roundabout Traffic circle over, you call it today? Is it the city pass up? No, that, that's the one up by, uh, the air base. That's
The roundabout figure. That's The one up by the air base. Alright. They call that the penis, Right? Yeah. It's a figure eight. Almost. Next on the agenda, designation of commission to the, um, pioneer Valley Planning Commission. Currently it's Rich John has volunteered. Thanks sir. Um, rich has decided he's more than willing to release it to John. We need a motion. Yeah. I'll make a motion to accept the change of design of designation of the commissioner to the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission. I'll second All those in favor. A. Aye.
That was John. John. John. John. John. I shouldn't name who it was. Okay. Anything else we want to talk about in the future? Anybody getting, uh, a plea of conflict of interest, um, requirements? If you do, make sure you get 'em done. They're time. They, they're date stamped. Bernie and Dylan should be getting theirs at some point On what conflict of interest Notifications Do you have? Nothing else? Motion to adjourn. Motion to you hear a motion? I hear a second, sir. All in favor? Aye.