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>> Well, welcome to the >> Yeah, it's true. If there are two of us, we have to we have to call a meeting. >> December second. Yeah, >> that's the it's the law. >> December 2nd. Uh we do not have a quorum tonight so we'll not be taking any votes but there are someformational things to
present. Uh the first one uh since we can't vote on the minutes uh the first one is uh proposed public hearing on December 15th at the board of selectmen at their meeting. I'm not sure of the time but uh what we're proposing is raising the beach pass fees which
nobody's in favor of it but we it's a necessity to keep the budget going. uh changing the senior passes, which is over 65, from $25 to $35. And then the what we'll call the non senior regular passes are being raised
possibly from $50 to $55. This to make up for a revenue shortfall that we have and approximately $40,000 between expenses at the beach and the amount of revenue that we're bringing in. Uh we've dropped off a little bit on the revenue. uh over the past few years.
I'm not sure if it's a beach pass thing or just a non-use thing or what the trend is or if it's still trending downward, but somehow we have to make up uh the budget shortfall. We're going to have a full complete season. Like next year we will, but the year
after is when the revenue will kick in. So, uh, I encourage anybody who has comments on that to attend that meeting. Uh, or send emails or whatever, favor, pro, cons, doesn't really matter. Uh, I don't know if anybody has anything to
add. >> What day is that? >> The 15th, a week from Monday or two weeks from yesterday. >> 15th. >> Yep. because we have to get it in before the end of the year before she can sell
beach passes because we have to know what to charge. Obviously, those of you who are concerned about getting beach passes for January 1st, don't worry. There will be nothing. We'll have a grace period on January. You'll have plenty of time. Please don't
overwhelm the port town clerk uh with phone calls and everything regarding, you know, the need for a beach pass. If you have a beach pass now, you will be fine in January. >> Okay. Uh information wise, I don't know what else
uh what else we can present. We were to do budgets tonight. Uh we look good for opening next year. Knock on wood. Uh we will have enough money to cover our budget this year or next year fiscal
year 26. Uh we do have an enterprise fund that has some cash available. So we'll be using that. Uh we don't have a lifeguard report. We don't have a town clerk report.
Uh she has last I checked with Carla that was before the new town assistant town clerk. We hadn't sold that many passes since October. So I don't know what the final number is but it's not much bigger than it was in October.
Uh what do you do you have anything? >> No. No. I've been going down to the beach avenue. No nothing going on. Any problems other than probably drainage problems, but other than that? >> No, not no not really. Road is they they
did grading on the road, so >> Oh, so it's better than it was. >> Yeah, >> but I haven't maybe I'll go down there tomorrow after the rain. >> It's been windy the last three or four days. I didn't know if that would affect much of the sand. No, >> I've noticed that the little mini dune has formed on Cherry Web in front of the
the main dune >> because it was it has been so windy. >> No, it has not. No, it had didn't fill in. >> Yeah, I mean there there's much loss or gain sand over there. Just kind of moves back and forth. There's, you know, >> well, it it comes across, right, when
there's a big storm, but we haven't had >> except for the three storms the year before last >> three years ago. Yeah. >> I mean, there were three storms in December and January. >> Yeah, that was filled up the road. >> Yeah, but we we didn't have that. >> Yeah. Citizen on East Beach. Remember that? Well, okay.
>> Two years ago. >> So, Beach Avenue looks good. Excellent. Jerry Webbler's >> George Crow who was in charge of Elephant Rock. >> Yeah. >> He's he's doing a lot of work with sandbags to keep >> Atlantic from getting washed out
>> washed out. Yeah. >> So, that's a good >> And we could The only thing I would suggest is that we might do something like that at the opening that they made for the little town beach. >> Well, they they filled in that opening I heard from some of the sand.
>> Okay. They had filled in that it had it had gotten larger. >> Well, yeah, it did wash in I think once this last late summer, >> right? >> And uh made a mess. But if they do the do it the way Elephant Rock is doing it, they can they can put sandbags in there
for the winter and then just pull them out, you know, right summer. >> The thought I have to go down and look at that. Uh >> Terry Webb looks good. Actually looks really good. Uh everything East Beach looks good.
Everything's there. Hasn't it's all stabilized at this point. So ruling we won't have any problems next year. >> Dana, do you have anything to report on? >> Um sure. Uh so the fence was completed. Um so that's good. That is all done. Um
and they have been paid. So um that can be checked off our list. And um uh as you can see, I shared with you the lifeguard payroll kind of at a glance. >> I don't know if you got a copy, Woody.
>> Give him a copy of everything. >> Okay. So like the lifeguard payroll at a glance is just helpful um in that um you can see how much it was for the May June months um total and it was just um a
little over $19,000 for the lifeguard um fees and it shows in our budget for fiscal year 26 we do have over 22,000 left to spend on personnel. So, um, that
is a good thing. That means we can afford to have our guards in May and June. Um, and then also the at a glance sheet. Woody, do you have a copy of this >> right here? >> This is what I'm referencing. >> Wait a minute.
>> There you go. >> Oh, no, I don't. >> So, if you look at the yellow, what's in yellow, that was May and June months. Um, so you can see that total was spent and in the budget we got from Jim
Hartnett, um, we have $22,255 to spend on our personnel services. So basically the lifeguards um, so that means that for this next May June we will be okay. At least that's
how I interpret it. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. >> Okay. That's why I was asking I wanted to make sure there were no surprises when I asked for the current expenditures today. >> Yeah. >> And then um what's listed in green is um what was spent for fiscal year 26
starting July 1st. And you can see that total is over 73,000. So again, we should be okay because for fiscal year 26 95,580 was budgeted
and if we for 27 um also looking ahead want to do something similar. Um you know I don't I don't think it's going to vary too much for next summer. >> Oh uh well I don't know what the pay
raise is supposed to be. Usually it's 3% across like all the salary ranges, but um you know I don't know exactly >> that's >> how that works with the guards if that's >> typically we we give them the same uh if
we can afford it. >> Yeah. >> If we and usually we build it into the budget that's an extra $2,100 basically on a $70,000 uh I think we're still okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh on that for opening. >> Yes. Yes. But we should consider it for
the budget of 2027. >> Yeah, >> seems weird to say that. U budget of 2027 >> to make sure we can open in 2027. >> It's always confusing because the summer falls between the two fiscal years.
>> Yeah, we work. >> When is when's the end of the year fiscal year? >> It's the end of June. It so June 30th is the last. >> Yeah, we have to plan six months ahead of strange. Mhm. >> So that's why on the lifeguard payroll I broke it down that way to so it clearly
identifies fiscally year 25 versus 26. >> Um and then um I know um the head guard Michael has already given me a list of things that they we would need to get for next uh um summer. And it's it's not
a huge list. It's not like la this last time. Um, and of course it doesn't include the uniforms for any guards that might need >> I was I was thinking about that because I looked I went online and looked at the uni you know if we get larger numbers of t-shirts sweatshirts and everything like that they're cheaper.
>> I'm almost thinking we should order a whole box load to have for years rather than do this every year. You know ordering seven or six or five or whatever we need. >> Seems like >> uh we could get them cheaper and they would we would just have them. We we know we have them
>> possibly it where it varies a lot is like maybe the sweatpants or I mean most of the guys I think are medium or larges right >> or extra large >> but not I don't think too many of them are extra large but >> um yeah that's that's an idea to do um
or think about >> because you usually though if you order if you keep the same supplier year after year and they've got the artwork >> we just I think got it off Amazon. Yeah, it's just standard lifeguard. Doesn't say western life, >> right? It's not custom >> or guard or something,
>> right? >> Okay. >> Um and then uh the only thing I'd like to bring to the committee is that um a community member named Blair Berlingame, he attended one of the meetings in the past. He still has told me he has an interest in being a member of the beach
committee if uh the beach committee desires a new member andor if there's any open spots in the end of June. I think who's opening in June? I think I am. >> I'm up in June. >> I believe I'm up in I'm not sure if
Joel is up in June. I'm not I'd have to look at it. I can't I not even sure I'm up in June to tell you the truth. But I know it's like there's I think two every year except for the third year. It's only one. >> Well, I I I did the I got reertified this last
>> this this year. So you and Harry were this year too. >> So I think it's myself and Joel. Okay. Um, the reason I bring it up is because, um, Blair is a volunteer at the Westport Food Pantry. He's been very dedicated. He's a great guy. He lives in town. He's
retired. And what's especially um, interesting is that he does have a lot of beach uh, work experience on the Cape. He was a lifeguard, a head lifeguard, and then a superintendent of beaches on the Cape. So he is very knowledgeable about beach policies, procedures, and then living in Westport
and going to the local beaches here, he is very familiar with it. So I would just please consider them if if it's a possibility. >> It's like it's not our choice of selements. >> Well, how are we limited to those? >> We're limited to five.
>> No, I don't believe so. Like I know with the recreation commission, the commission can vote on how many members there are. >> The the town charter is five. It used to be five because one from every precinct, >> which didn't work out very well because you had a lot of people in the B and E precincts who wanted to be on the beach
committee and A and C was hard to find. >> So, so they changed it to be five and it's five. >> Uh, but you you also don't want to get to a point where you have a committee so large that we have this problem. >> True. >> We can't get three or four people in the room at the same time to have a
>> quarum. I know what we do at the some of the clubs is if we uh if we foresee a vacancy on the board, we'll figure out who we would eventually like and then put them on a subcommittee. >> Yeah. I mean I would tell him
>> yeah we could create a subcommittee and have you know a couple of members plus him what's it whoever he is and then just you know so he wouldn't be a voting member but he would report >> from the subcommittee. >> Yeah. >> Something I also do um with our rec
commission is keep track of who attends and on who attends regularly >> and we try to let the committee know that um consistent attendance is important. Um, if there's anyone who maybe is doesn't attend three or more times during the year, I don't know if
that's of consideration. So, >> but we could set up like a personnel committee or, >> you know, any any kind of committee. >> Yeah, a subcommittee to the committee. >> Finance committee. I mean, you know, subcommittee, call it a subcommittee. >> And then
>> I would I know he put in a a letter. >> He put in a letter twice now. >> Twice. Yes. I thought it was only once for this year or let >> he did it again. I don't know where that letter goes when he's >> it go well it went now I'm confused. I I guess it would go to Carla now.
>> I'd be happy with Paula. I think it went to you. >> Yeah. Well, no, that's, you know, well, not till June or somebody resigns or leaves or I mean, I don't have a problem with, >> you know, uh, >> I just put it out there in case anyone
who's currently on the committee is considering, you know, stepping back or, um, if you're looking for a new member that's excited to help. >> Yeah, I I'll check to see who's up beside It's either Perry or Joel. >> Okay. >> I could I shouldn't say that. No, it's
not Perry. It's either Joel. It could be Joel or Leon. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. I don't know. But Sleman appoint him and it's you're at their pleasure, I guess, to do that. Uh >> Mhm. >> See, uh anything else? I'm sorry.
>> Um I think that is it except for the budget. Um if there's anything you'd like to talk about today, I can make note of that. Or >> I mean, I would think that we're going to be pretty standard across the board. I would build in 3% for the lifeguards and then come up with a number. Uh I
know we have to increase because uh Kristen told me that they're increasing the fee for the printing. >> Yeah. And we're in the negative for the printing right now. >> Yeah. I don't understand why that is because
uh Oh, I do understand because they went up in the last I guess I know she gets a monthly charge or something that she pays or a quarterly charge I think. So, there's two things we we have printing, but one of the things we haven't considered because we never had to do this before was the mailing.
Uh, you're mailing 4,000 beach passes at 50 whatever the new rate will be, you know, say 60 cents. That's that's, you know, essentially, you know, 200. >> So, it shows we have 2,000 for postage. >> Yeah. I don't know. And I think some I
think some of the printing is being used for postage. >> Yeah. again because it shows 2,000 was approved and then two we still have 2,000. >> So I think that's what the problem is with the printing thing. I just want to make sure >> doubled two years ago. >> Yeah, because we went from printing
regular beach passes to the what we have now with the online stuff which cost a buck something per pass >> or something like that. >> As convenient as it is also a lot more expensive. another one of those expenses that keeps going up
>> while revenue kind of stays the same. >> Uh yeah, I think we just have to check to make sure that the mailing the postage we have in line item here for postage cuz $2,000 Well, I won't that's at 50 cents for 4,400 beach passes.
>> So, I've only been processing the invoices since the summer and I haven't seen anything for mailing or postage come through. It's just been like clerk um >> I saw >> cost and I don't know if that is the postage or really I don't know
>> we'll check with Kristen because we have we built it in we built we doubled everything because of the new system requires it before they'd sell their own they send their own self so it didn't cost us anything. Let me see. If we look at this older one,
postage, it does say um in the 2025 1,500 was expended for postage. Um for printing, it shows >> Oh, we Well, we were electronic in 2025, too. That was the first
>> Yeah. >> Uh you'd have to go back to like 2022 or 2023. when we had very little for postage because we have no need for postage basically. Uh >> well, the budget is a tricky thing because it has so many different line
items and I don't know if sometimes the comes out of those line items directly or not. Um but >> I know she has because I know she's on mailing them for free so there's got to be postage involved. >> Yeah. Uh, clothing thing is okay. I need to
bump that up a little bit. Apple improvements. Apple improvements. We didn't spend anything. Oh, wait a minute. I'm looking at the wrong thing. Sorry. Do we We have money left over for the fence item, don't we?
>> So, I asked Jim about that. Um the fence there was came out of the town meeting article, >> right, >> for the land and the fence. There's two line items for it. >> We have money left over on both though, right? >> That I'm not so sure about cuz I'm not
sure how that works. >> It's not on the print out for some reason. Used to be on the print out. Well, off the fence. >> It used to be line item 6024. I don't see it on here. If you look at the old one, you'll look at the bottom, you'll
see uh total fiscal year 2019 meetings. >> The first page, it says 9,848.60 C and W fence. >> Where's that? >> On the very first, sorry, the very first page of the the new town expenditure.
This one it it's a different format because it's a different computer system now or software system. >> Okay. Yeah. So that's that's the fence. There should be
should be something left over for the we >> Well, is that a budget or an actual >> No, that was that's what's left in the town meeting article that was voted on that we have left over. But that doesn't that count what you just paid though? I don't think it'll reflect. >> I think so. Yeah, because I asked her to
pull from July 2025 to now, November 30th, 2025. >> That looks pretty specific. >> Yeah, I I I find it hard to believe cuz I think that's what we had before. >> Let me um me look. I tried to
>> Yeah, so it does. It shows on page four. Yeah, >> it shows 4,176 for defense. So it does count that and we did pay Mass Ottabbon 12,000. >> Um
Southeast Fence and Supply the latest expense was $4,176. Yes. >> On page four of this stuff. >> Yeah. Oh. >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. Well, I'm kind of concerned about the what's
left in the enterprise fund, but >> I talked to Jim today. It's over 200,000, I believe. >> Says 160 on page five. >> I know. I don't think that's correct. I don't know. He told me a different figure. >> This is what was this is what was sent to me today. I asked Nicole to send this
to me today. This print out here. You won't come to >> I think I have the same one. The expend. >> I think you do too. Yes. Cuz I asked her today to send it to you. She emailed it to me. I sent it. I told her so that we'd have the latest of all up to today.
>> Yeah. >> Cuz yesterday was December 1st. So I figured it would reflect all. It says 160,000. Maybe I'm confused, but this what it says from page five 1655 533. >> Mhm.
which is fine, but that's going to get chewed up fast. If we take $50,000 a year to supplement our budget, >> there won't be much left. And if there's an emergency expenditure needed, whatever that vehicle, so uh one of the things that was requested from the
disabilities people and they requested it beginning of last year, but I wanted to see how we did budget was a handicap picnic table for Cherry for the Kitty Beach on the north parking lot. >> They're like 800 bucks. >> Mhm. I've already looked into them. The ones we have are are great. Uh the
concrete ones, they seem to work last and they nobody can move them. >> So, if we can order one of those for next year, that would be good also. >> And the disability commission doesn't want to help pay for that. They want the beach, too. >> No. >> Okay. >> I, you know, we originally got the picnic tables cuz we had some money left
over about 10 years ago and they worked out and then we didn't think were going to be used that much, but they are used quite frequently. Mothers with small kids love that little beach. They love to sit there on the picnic table and eat with the kids. So it works out. And the water shed likes to use them too, but
they make a special handicap so you can get a wheelchair underneath them. And >> so is this in addition to what's already out there or in placement of >> No, in in addition, you've got three regular picnic tables and then this is similar octagon shape, but one side is open and actually has like a little tab,
I guess. Yeah. >> So you can get a wheelchair underneath it. >> Sure. Um, is this something you would want to get ordered like in the spring or >> Yeah, I mean because typically what happens is they uh there's no sense putting it there in the winter. Uh,
>> and I think it's a company out of Florida. It's uh Park Supplies, I believe. Parks. I have to look. I saved the tab. >> I'm sure there's various companies we can look into to see what might be best.
But I could match the ones we have. So >> Oh, colorwise they have >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> And I know that's and and I thought it was pretty reasonable. They were like 800 900 bucks. The problem is they ship them and the freight cost a small fortune, couple
hundred bucks. And then Chris has to take it from they drop it off here. Chris has to bring it the highway department has to take it and bring it down there and >> put it on the beach. So, >> yeah, >> but I mean they they seem to last. A couple of them. It has couple of seats are cracked, but I think it's because
somebody tried to flip them over last year. >> Uh, but they're nice. If they graffiti, they wash right off. It's concrete and pebble. It's a pebble finish. It's I see people using them all the time, so
I think it's a worthwhile >> Okay. >> to have. >> So, if you have uh a link or anything you could email me. >> Yeah, I know. I have a favorite thing on my computer. I just >> And I can add that to the list of things to get. >> Yeah, that's I don't know what we're going to do. I don't know if we should have
disabilities come in on enough future meeting for a uh discussion of the whole access thing again. Uh I think the last day left it I believe Lisa said she was going to look into it some business outreach and sponsoring
and stuff like that. So I don't know where we stand. Yeah, >> that would be nice if we could get somebody to sponsor that. >> Then we could figure out, you know, I think we discussed, you know, how much is it going to be used? Is it a viable thing? If it's only going to be
used like once a week, is it a viable service, >> right, >> to peel? >> Other than that, I don't know if anybody else has anything >> or you have anything else? >> No. >> Or nope. >> Nope. >> I'll bring this.
>> Not really. So, I I think I may post a meeting next week. We have to vote on this stuff. It'd be nice to post it before and have a vote on the fee increase before the selectman's meeting. So, maybe we can shoot for a virtual meeting.
I try to make it at 4:30 or so it's convenient for >> after work and you don't have to go home and come back or that kind of If you decide the day and time you want to have a virtual meeting, I can send out the calendar invite with the link. >> I want to reach out. >> Okay. >> Again, I want to reach out to I'm going
to reach out to Perry Leon. Could probably make it. She couldn't make that. I know she's in Utah. Okay. >> She goes out there to visit her son on Thanksgiving, so I know that's where she is. I knew she wasn't going to be here. But yeah, I mean, I think I want to reach out to everybody to see if they will attend. >> Okay.
>> I don't want to have two people on a Zoom meeting. This doesn't productive either. uh kind of go from there. >> Mhm. Okay. >> All right. Uh didn't take any minutes. Uh >> and I also did check the beach email. Nothing new.
>> Nothing really. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's not I don't know if there people are thrilled with the parking lot because this is the time of year when it gets really wet and it freezes a little bit. It gets real soft. >> I think I might have to close that third bay. I know people because only two of
the bays have that crushed asphalt that's solid so it won't sink. But the third bay I noticed is getting soft. >> It just gets and my fear and it's happened a million times how many people I've helped pull out of there is you drive in there and your car just sinks and then you're stuck
>> and it's always a concern but two of the bays now are pretty stable. So and I don't know I know there were a lot of people there over the weekend because I went down one night and it was you know half full. So would it be? >> So uh I there's no motion to make
because there's not enough quum to have. So uh we can just adjourn and call it a night. All right. All right. Well, thank you. See you next week. Yep.