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hey here we are budget thanks minutes [Applause] looks like they only [Music] have two okay okay well we can I'll make a motion to uh wave the reading of the minutes and
accept them written i second that i I Okay how about motion on the minutes accepting them yeah i mean I did I just Yeah oh is that what you're doing that's what you just waved the reading did you wave the reading and then accept them
accept them written see I don't want to take minutes anymore miss one minute okay we have people in the audience sir are you here for this or
yes yeah I'm just sitting in okay you don't have any issues concerning agenda all right okay all right good enough uh I didn't have anybody on the agenda so if you had something I just wanted to make sure okay uh budget items this will
include Dana and or Mike i guess you can't come up to the table i don't know what I You used to be able to slide right up to the table but there's not there anymore one chair yeah like the Spanish Inquisition would you
like us to come up then well just another chair or you can come up here I guess i don't know i don't know i don't know what we need that thing for do you want It's all right i mean okay so I have the I'm sorry this is the
latest budget i don't Oh thank you yes as of March 31st thank you okay i should say uh so uh we have a couple issues here and we have a couple issues we have to resolve are we all or I'll ask either one
so uh these safety stuff has been ordered all the So at last meeting um the three first aid kits they're 50 person kit first person only kits were ordered at at a total of $65.97 and then 15 first aid packs at
$19 per pack were ordered at a total of $285 and those were actually cheaper through Amazon than what was originally looked at through um some other websites so um we saved money as far as safety and rescue stuff do we need Yes we have a list the original list right the
original list we There was a bunch of things I noticed that weren't ordered is there a reason because we need to order them because I need approval to order them oh I thought they were approved at last minute just the first Only the first kits were approved i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry no I'm sorry i thought these were all approved but I just
wasn't so this is just a packet I prepared just kind of like what I have okay for my reference um the front page um is the green uh lines are what has been ordered um the rest still would
need to be purchased do we know that we can get these things because I know we had problems the last two years of getting some of these items i don't know we researched this in January so we've been waiting on approval well I'm going to because of safety and rescue are my
priority so I'm going to uh entertain a motion on having these ordered paid for approved etc motion this is the And are we um saying the whole list including the rash guards and
swim trunks or Yes unifor and we can put on hold the other um items for a uniform such as sweatpants sweatshirts windbreakers i know some of the returning guards already have some of those items is that correct so with some
we're just How many are How many are needed I guess how many yeah i don't know um of what what is need of sweatpants or whatever so I mean new guards new guards though yeah it would just be two yeah it would be exactly it wouldn't be a lot no for sweatpants
it would be 15 but just for the um new guards like if we would get them a sweatshirt or so forth it would just be two or three i'd say we just order them up the two to three um so um I have in the packet a list of the guards um that we can talk
about we want your opinion on that along with Michael you know anyway we can go to the guards in a minute okay yeah we got one thing at a time so as far as all the safety equipment I just want to make sure it's all we order it and it and make sure we it comes in yes that'd be great the only thing and does that
include I see the rules sign for the beach so the rules signs oh go ahead so the rules sign is um a suggestion um we did go out to the beach and take a picture of the current rule sign that is there it's part of the packet and I actually have some images toward the
back of the packet of the current sign at Cherry and Web there's a no uh dog sign and then there's one sign on the ground yeah well they're redoing the parking lot as we Yes and I actually we took pictures of that too in case some of the um beach committee hasn't had a
chance to see yet um and we thought maybe you would um talk a little more about that too but in terms of the sign um you had mentioned in an email I think it's like 10 years old and we were just proposing if we could get a you know nice new sign with a lot of the similar
rules on here especially now yes absolutely um and then I have also in this packet sorry I know it's a big packet um example of the beach rules sign it looks like this of suggestions a lot of it is what is on that current sign we just added the no smoking
because that is an issue at the beach the guards have to deal with um no smoking anything right yeah exactly but we have had some issues in the past where some patrons get very defensive when we ask them to stop smoking because they it's not posted anywhere
we used to have used to have signs so if this list is um you know acceptable to you all if there's anything what's the size of what's what size sign what size is again what size is the sign that you're proposing um I haven't I didn't I
haven't proposed a a size we can talk about that but it doesn't have to be super large i don't think it but not super small right you want it to stand out so um we well we're trying to eliminate one of the problems is sign fatigue the signs all over the place contradictory some of them are
contradictory some of them are right you can't read no this would be the main sign um that we're suggesting that would be when you're leaving the parking lot and going up to the path the sign would be there for everyone to see before they get to the beach so that no one could
say "Oh I didn't see the sign." We were suggesting that maybe it be um yellow so that it stood out a bit maybe a little larger than the old one we had um at our playground we have a yellow rule sign on the fence and it does seem to stand out which is nice um if you want it white
that's fine too i just think it's important um you know Michael was talking about how we need to make sure we're making the rules clear to the patrons who come so that when the guards say to someone you know I'm sorry there's no smoking or you know no glass
bottles or something like that and that you know they could say there is a sign posted stating those rules when you entered the beach instead of you know if a patron says well where's the sign you know I didn't know that so I get that every night when I walk up right right
uh so yeah that's fine i think uh I'm going to have Oh we'll get to the parking lot in a minute okay that's fine all right because Go ahead um black and white always shows up right i understand the yellow could we put yellow around
sure to bring it out and then the the wording would still stay black and white i wish we could have a marquee sign that wraps around because that would draw attention to it i don't know what else you can do but yeah I could research different examples um through Amazon cuz
I've ordered our playground rule sign through Amazon you can customize it um and I can send that to you all if you like or if we just want to ask Chris from highway department to make it for us I believe then it would be a The only the only thing I like about the highway department making it because these signs
tend to disappear over the winter that they have the blank and they can make it right away sure yeah if they sign gets ripped down on Tuesday then Sure i'd be happy to work with them to create one that's acceptable for you all that would be my only question if we could do that
a a a bold outline to bring it to their attention but black and white is always easier to read sure I can ask him you know like red lettering does not you think it would but it doesn't as far as placement would it make sense to put it in the parking lot somewhat as
you're entering the path just so I think so that's what I was saying that's where we had the other one didn't seem to work uh I think it works better actually if you go go onto the path and it's right there where the no you know where the no dog sign is down yes because I think I think it's because I think they go when
it's on the when you walk into the path it's like you're looking down you're looking up you're not looking straight ahead absolutely i agree because that's where we had the sign and no one seemed to see it and one of the things part of the parking lot is uh because of what Chris had done over in that corner I'm
trying to get them to make a dedicated entrance because right now it's wide open and it's going to be like a free-for-all so if you try to put one at the entrance people aren't going to go they're not going to walk by the sign i don't know how we're going to get that yeah if you uh think inside the path where that
other dog sign is it would be better yeah i think I think that one you turn the corner and it's right there in your face so Yeah especially if it's a little larger and people would see it less chance of it destroying and I assume you still want that other dog sign up yeah we have we're required to have that yes
yes by the Ottabbon and by our beach management plan yes so do you want to keep that same um sign it looks in okay condition as Yeah there's some stickers on it yeah oh no if you look at the other signs there stickers all over all of them really i don't know i don't know
what I don't know if you bring stickers to the beach to do that or I don't understand that but it's like seems like an awful lot of trouble but yeah that that would be fine yeah we have to have a specific no dog sign okay so um just to clarify so you would like need to follow up with Chris through the highway department i think he was aware and he
was going to make it like this and I think he told me he was going to make them like this but please if you want him to do the bowl we have to tell him i'll follow up and just give him this list if this is works for you all and there's no cost associated with that
yeah there is there is we we pay for the materials not the labor oh so I mean it's only fair you know they've got the aluminum signs and stuff so uh we we pay for that which is minimal basically for a sign
was there anything else looking at this list you wanted to add or does this all look acceptable no that's fine i mean there's you could add things and then you'd have the Dead Sea Scrolls you know going all the way down the Right right you don't want to add too much no uh cuz No realistically
I always hear the same thing oh I didn't see the sign i didn't know that you know and you hear it forever you know and it never goes away you know and you don't understand we have a big flashing sign across the street that says ours and other and nobody ever sees it sure all right all right okay so signs
because we have we have to watch our budget because we're getting close uh because one of the things just so you're aware to guide us in Does it say anywhere with the dog should be on leashes i don't see it doesn't it didn't on the current signs that are out there took it off because we don't want to give people the impression that it's all
right to have dogs on leash between April 16th and September 15th because people were claiming "Oh I just thought you mean you we could have our dogs on leash but you're not supposed to be on the beach at all." Could we say dogs must always be leashed
we could say that you could say something to the fact that even uh when permitted dogs must always be leashed i would I wouldn't have a problem i kind of would like that okay there a lot of people that would like that so um so outside the dates of April 16th and
September 15th they got to be um leashed right they would always be that's what I'm saying but because they're not allowed from the April 16th to September 15th if I'm not so so on the list it does say so it says no dogs pets horses from April 16th to September 15th under
that we have pick up dog waste when walking dogs off season and should we just add and always leash leash yes right there and right after that looks good that was my only comment okay okay well that's that takes care of that
part so um I just want to make sure um do you all need a vote or on um buying the supplies then for the list officially do you need to vote on that or did you do we not take do we take a motion to vote on it i don't know yeah Leon made the motion i
just wanted to make sure all right thank you okay i thought we did okay thanks uh yeah I'm always a priority for safety and and that kind of equipment because that was one of the problems early on when we had a a rescue board that looked like
attacked by Jaws and you know didn't float and make make people yeah it I mean it was scary when it got on really scary people have seen sharks it wouldn't surprise me yeah no they're
out there i've seen seen a few out Uh so we're all set on all the items the signs yep and then um if you go past that you'll see then lifeguards for 2025 and there's a list and I see Dan's here
uh um how many new so um be three new i'll let I'll let you talk about so basically be three new guards working part-time so it' be 14 altogether i think we're looking at So on the second page are who we've
interviewed and um the top two are the ones we'd like to offer a position part-time position the third one is um would be an alternate position basically a fill in whenever a guy someone calls out they could come in do we have any
problems with people leaving i know people have to leave early in August or um well that would that's why we would have a guard like that you know so in case when you know the guards do have to leave for school or college or okay whatever we had some good candidates that applied
so we're really happy with that and um we're we're we struggled a little with the decision but I Michael that's where it was really nice to have Michael we remote interviewed them um just to meet them and talk with them and Michael did a great job of kind of assessing um you
know who he thought would be the top candidates okay but they were all good and I think you know we can definitely approach um some of them for next year for those that we might not have taken on and you're doing orientation when may 10th may 10th and I think the committee
voted last meeting that it would be 3 hours uh so we were thinking 9 to 12 then yeah we because we can get to that we're limited here right uh we don't we can't get any money into our personnel item we do have money in the personnel item but if we're going to pay six
guards every day for two weeks it's all going to be gone so starting early is not an option for this year so let me I'm just curious um I know in the January meeting you discussed uh going to the select board May 6th is is that still an option or No the problem we had
is we if we could get the money mhm so I'm just asking is the select board like turning us down or No they haven't turned us down it's just that we don't have the money we can ask for them and we can certainly prepare it for next year and we actually built it in for next year's which because then we're in a weird situation here because the
budget starts July 1st yeah absolutely and and obviously you need to start want to start before that and we're working on last year's money which is what we have in front of us here because I know uh it was discussed in January and I think it might have been discussed in the March but I could be wrong um that we were going to start Memorial Day
weekend um we were hoping to depending on money it was whether we could shift items around now there were expenditures we weren't anticipating some expenditures that came up but we don't have the money in the personnel services to cover the weekends and then
open full-time so let me ask you this the May 6th meeting is that for next year's fiscal year or could that be considered for this year's fiscal year as we have that's this year's fiscal year so this May we can't do it next May we could mhm you know you understand because the fiscal year starts July 1st absolutely unfortunately we work at
January December at the beach and it's hard so because I just know you were talking about taking asking the select board for and it would cover from this it would cover this year and next year that's why that's what I think was set at January i think we voted on the budget to cover for next year and
January because we had to get the budget in i think that's what we did because what we're looking at see we have this problem and everybody thinks we're making tons of money at the beach and all this stuff we bring in about $153,000 this year we're spending
142 next year July starting July 1st 142 with that item with so there's a $10,000 I don't want to call slush fund it's bad word but emergency fund in case something blows up vehicle uh we can provide that we don't know what the
finances are going to be for the town you know uh I know there was some issue that town does have some finances but we're stuck in with this budget that we have till July 1st and if we're going to open up on June 14th which is 2 and a
half weeks in June that's going to eat up basically uh the $8,000 plus or minus we have in our budget item mhm so if we started on the weekend we wouldn't have enough money
unless we went skeleton during the week for those two weeks so what is the plan then for next fiscal year in terms of when they would start hopefully if we get our budget voted on which I'm assuming we were uh we are because we use an enterprise fund so
this not not really tax incentive the the we would look at it because we don't know what's going to happen between July 1st of this year and say this time next year if we need to buy a new vehicle we're screwed basically if we
you know there's always that possibility of something going wrong we're planning on it but we don't know it so let me ask you this um so we plan on starting Memorial Day next year we're trying to Okay i'm just because I just think it would be a good thing to start earlier
rather than later just because you know what happened last year with all the incidents going on and um I just think it's a safety thing too one of the problems and I've discussed this with the town administrator was we've always there's always been the second Saturday in June for at least 20 years I have
been sitting around here and the reason we do that is because everybody knows that okay this is when the beach opens the the problem is if you start opening early and then there's a budget shortfall you know two years from now now it's like well I thought you opened on Memorial Day and now we couldn't
because we don't have enough money on that particular year now just because we've always been doing it that way doesn't necessarily mean it's the safest way no I don't I don't disagree with you but it also we have a very we the only money we can operate with is our enterprise fund which we get by beach
passes and we hope that we get increased revenue every year unfortunately we don't we can't know that until January 1st of this year that you know we're going to have enough money to cover everything we budgeted for make sense because Sorry go ahead all our because
of the way we work all our beach passes basically get sold between January and July right but that's for the comes in the previous year so next year between January and July we'll know what we'll have to spend for the year after and vice versa it's
it's a weird thing because we don't have guaranteed revenue I should say i mean I'm sure it's going to stay the same and I'm sure it even going up slightly over time but it's no leaps and bounds if we pay six lifeguards to be at the beach
four extra weeks or four extra weekends that's a big chunk of money that it would be four gu it would be four guards on the weekends starting from the 24th so it would be seven days um because we would just be working weekends from Memorial Day it would be f if with what was agreed upon with raises and stuff it
would have c which I don't think we're getting paid that but besides the point it costs approximately $5,680 to start early for Memorial Day right the 24th that's 10,000 That's $5,000 if we added to like right now we
wouldn't have in our budget in other words we budget it for next year but if something blows up in our face we're not going to have that money because we don't know what's going to happen that July 2nd july 2nd the vehicle crashes
now we're into that budget for next year already i understand what you're saying i'm just wondering if then can we pre-plan for next year based on uh the budget adjustments for the next fiscal year and then knowing that um you know I guess so I think your concern is just
that you want weekend coverage starting Memorial Day absolutely because what I've seen from what I've seen even you know horse neck has seen this as well um starting Memorial Day weekends those are some of your busiest weekends just for the simple fact people would just want to go out from the first nice day they
get you know and uh I think which is my my primary concern is just safety because I know last year I actually have it written down there i actually was informed from um a gentleman that him and a couple other guys had to go in and save a woman an older woman who was
drowning um during that period we weren't there the Memorial Day weekend and uh I just think you know I don't want anything like that to happen uh on the town's hands so then horses neck helped with that situation no so horse No it was kind of just one of those things where the horses didn't even help
with that situation but they would probably be obligated to help if they if we because we're not there during you know the Memorial Day weekend and they are there i just think it would be also a good consistent thing to start um just in the name of safety of the patrons and
uh beachgoers does Horseneck start Memorial Day they do yes just on weekends just on weekends when is their first full week i think their first full week is actually I got to think what's the week after what's uh you got the 14th and then what's after the 14th uh 21st is the
week of the 15th then this week so they would say they start the 21st yeah could we get away with two guards i I usually the the the minimum I have is three guards working at a time i mean we could I mean I don't know what the
funds are but I mean three could be a better start is that a eight hour day then that would be an 8 hour day yes we've got $8,000 yeah no I understand two weeks so if we don't you know it right now the answer is no we can't yeah i mean we can't do it i don't know how
we do it this year mhm yeah i I think it would be it would be too bad if we if we tried to do it and and then next year we if we don't get the right funding next year not to be able to do it at all well
because it would set it would set a precedent right exactly that's what I'm saying but that's a safe precedent do it i don't think it would be a good idea to start doing it unless we're sure we can do it keep it up yeah yeah because one of the problems might get you would say
"Oh well we had them there last year and then oops no." Yeah you know and that's why we're being trying to be consistent because we don't know what our revenue is going to be next year because we you know after July 1st it starts clicking in but usually 90% of beach passes
already sold so we don't know we'll get you know five or six hundred beach passes obviously that's not going to fund it so we don't know like where we stood we look at last year's we got x amount of number and we multiply by 50 and okay we're going to project out to
this and we hope we project out to that yeah we've been good so far so that's good yeah you know but it's it's always a crapshoot and it could turn down next year uh oh we thought we were going to get 150 we only get 140 but let me ask you this in the name of public safety
what do you put a price on someone's life if something happens during that time period if it's an unguarded beach you're not liable i mean if we if we make it open June June 14th and that's what put on the website everybody's aware which might we really technically you guys
would be liable because I'm I'm advising you guys do start earlier and you guys aren't taking the um I guess my advice and because you guys been aware of this now if there isn't an issue during that time period you guys are technically liable if I'm not mistaken could we put
it on the sign the electronic sign we've not opened until Well this is We need a sign for the lifeguards now that I think of it that says beach closed okay uh because when it's surf or
whatever or they have to leave or to the hurricane there should be a sign across the path that says beach close you know you guys are out of there on 1:00 because of thunderstorms or whatever the whatever the reason it should say that mhm so like a flip sign so like open closed or uh Good
question uh can you put it on the electronic sign you can because I think it just says beach permit required required 8:00 a.m to 8:00 p.m uh you know it's closed i don't know what the best option is it's closed well I I just need to So when the lifeguards
pull away I'm not trying to distract you just made me think of it that we need something that says that cuz I know we don't have it when hurricanes come and we have to park the police have to park down there basically tell people is believe it or not it's closed mhm so I think we need one of those just for the lifeguards if they're going to close
because thunderstorms whatever sharks so again like are you thinking like a flip sign or a big sign that they would just I I don't know either i something you put the sign on the beach or No you would put it right on the path okay yeah we used to put a chain there used to be
one then we used to put a chain across the path that said beach closed mhm yeah if you had a heavy assignment we can do it i don't know if you Yeah something that somebody's not going to rip off and throw away something that would be heavy
but not too heavy that somebody couldn't move it but Yeah okay not now getting back to your point absolutely sorry no boys i understand the advice and I understand what you're saying i don't know how we do it now I I I don't I mean I guess the only
way thing I can think of is like you said in January the May 6th select board i don't know if they could take funds from you know they probably could but everybody comes to them and asks for funds mhm and they look at as
volunteer yeah uh volunteer for what huh what do you mean volunteer those weekends well okay i mean but they're allowed i mean we have two at least two other beaches mhm that and that don't have life have
lifeguards and a lot of people swim early in the morning or late in the evening when there are no life guards yeah i mean that's when most of the problems are possible to cover every beach all the time okay so Oh I just wanted to make it I just wanted to make problem i I appreciate it yeah I know i just wanted to make it known i mean I
wasn't trying to cause any turmoil i can say is we think we can do it next year because I mean I can't we are only allowed for the enterprise fund and that's all the money we get yep and as much as and as we got hit last year surprisingly under professional services
I found out why we were in the deficit cost us $12,000 for autobond to go out and watch the birds so it used to be 8,000 i don't know i didn't I didn't anticipate the Will it be 12,000 this season as well yes we just they just signed the
contracts I think and that's a killer when it when you're limited to funding when you have a I guess a a uh fixed income I guess is a way of putting it and that comes out of the personnel line item or professional services professional services professional services you look at professional
services here you'll notice we're 14 grand in the red [Applause] professional uh line item 5311 we put that into the budget this year but now we're really tight with the budget for our start this year next year July 1st
um I'm just curious uh train um I'm just curious about what that $14,000 is that we're paying i know you said it was for the Ottabon and the birds but what is it that they're actually doing at that so they fence off the birds and they monitor the birds and they also monitor the beach activity uh we're required
under the beach management plan that was required by us to watch for the birds uh and protect the birds and that type of thing if we had uh a different vendor I guess even
possibly we might be cheaper yeah is there any kind of certification that lifeguards could potentially get prior to that because if we can't if we don't have the funds to allocate $5,000 for a couple extra weeks and maybe save a life but we're spending $14,000 a year to make sure that are okay i I knew you
were going to say that and you can't say that uh I understand your position uh and I understand completely but we are limited and we are mandated to do certain things and other things we wish we could do we all live
in a world where we wish we could have things that we don't necessarily afford to yeah i think that what should happen if we uh see this not no no resolution in in
sight and just uh go to the selectman next year and get a increase the fees you just if it costs money to run the beach you got to raise the money that's what we did because especially but we just did that a couple a year or two ago
yeah we went $15 so it's uh but we we also notice we're selling less beach baskets we're getting more revenue but we're selling less beach so so we've got to so there will be a point of diminishing this trend if this trend does not improve then that's the solution yeah i mean that I mean there's
not much we're not allowed to do the tax money because we have an enterprise fund so we're kind of stuck um I know that the uh tickets that are issued with people who don't have parking passes go to the general fund yes um I once asked
the town administrator if a small percentage of that could possibly go to the beach um uh fund so that we could maybe get guards or or like you know it could help supplement just a little bit i don't know if that's possible for the future i'm not sure how that works with the whole police department and the
legal thing i'm not yeah I don't know how it works either i'm not I won't I won't say that i I would like to see the tickets right go up personally yes uh but that's I don't know if that's going anywhere we've been asking for that i'd
like to see we expanded the parking lot so we can get a tow truck in there now so I'd like to see people get towed maybe that would be a way of increased revenue uh I mean we're making good revenue and we're staying we're keeping above water yeah well we want to make sure we keep above water because there are projects you know as we go down the
road which we'll discuss in a minute about the parking lot you know things we want to do at the beach sure but we've been limited i guess uh my hope if we can't do it this season would be maybe to work toward next season to just at least have guards during the weekend starting Memorial Day weekend and seeing
how we can arrange that with a budget um I believe Jim the town administrator once said to um that the beach committee could request a warrant article for town meeting to transfer money from say a capital improvement line to the personnel line um or something like that
um and I know maybe that's what we were expecting to do but uh some things came up um what were those things i'm just curious well one of them is is we were expecting to pave uh where the uh rolloff is going for the storage thing and the aprons to all the parking lots
but now we have to pay for other things in the parking lot that need replacing that we weren't anticipating yeah but that's another possibility oh no we can always if we have monies and items but if you look at our total budget here uh
we're running pretty narrow uh you know there's not a lot of money you you see a lot of negatives in the incumbumber unencumbered balances and stuff like that and with the capital improvements line at 11,500 um is the parking lot uh work going into
that line item as well as the $6500 to do the paving the what I'm sorry $6,500 to do the paving plus or minus a few bucks and we need ropes for the parking lots which we're getting prices on also and some of that will be the signs that
you're making up so I don't know what's going to be left over but it's not going to be like $5,000 it's going to end up being like Is the guard stand coming out of that line item too the guard sand the new one yeah I believe00 yeah so I don't think so we're going to be cutting it real close now with what we have left
over for capital improvements you know I this is what one of the things is if we had all the money in the world you know and if we budgeted but we can only budget so much with what we're coming in so I I'm sorry we can't do anything this year there's because there
are unanticipated stuff but I just think I just think um I think some of my staff was expecting to start early and I just think that I'm hoping next year that some of them don't leave and go to other places that do start early and then you
know I've voiced my concern um you know about just public safety in general and I mean I think we've been very lucky in the past 20some years where there's been no you know so-called incidents um that have been reported i mean you've had have had you know people I guess
volunteer and um you know save people who have been you know uh in very dreadful situations but um I just think you know just to make it a better uh and safer community i just that's you know that you know where my thoughts are i
just think right no no and I understand I understand it completely and and I wish I could tell you we could add all the money to do anything we we we would like to do like I said but we were anticipating some of these monies were going to be left over and we could swish you around but it looks like we're not going to have you know maybe if you
added up 200 on every one of these items that may get to five grand i don't want to say start on May and then we don't have the money it's like hey uh next weekend you can have two guards there i'd rather have guards when summer season is full swing than maybe when it's not so for but I mean we could keep
you know going over this point but there are weekends you know that may not be considered the summer i mean Memorial Day weekend if it's a nice weekend you will get more people going to Memorial Day you know the beach on Memorial Day weekend than you do in the middle of July on a weekend you know so so in an
instance like that would we put out a closed sign or do we just put out a no guards on duty sign that's a good question i'd say no guards the Gooseberry has a very nice uh unguarded water sign
uh that you could put out uh but then we need a beach closed sign because that's one of the things that I know like when there's thunderstorms and and it's stuff like that that you don't exactly want you know the guards driving away with not nobody knowing that
they're not on the beach you have the flags the red flags the blue flags the yellow flag yeah it's green yellow red and purple but um a blue flag for uh jellyfish that's a purple we use a purple flag but um uh basically make a
long story short yeah that's just for the conditions of that day mhm well I would suggest then if we aren't going to have guards on those weekends before we start the full week I think then the start date would be June 14th that maybe we make sure to have a sign
that says no guards on duty so that the public knows even if it is a nice weekend at least they've been warned i saw I saw some crazy person two weekends ago in the water yeah yeah oh I know people who swim all winter yeah well I mean what was Oh was Friday the
Friday the Friday was 70 degrees there were people in the wand you know I don't know uh so I guess we need to come up with a solution in terms of a sign u but can you put it on the electronic sign you know as you're I'll
see I'll see what we can do you can't make the electronic sign have too many words on it people drive by it before they read the whole thing mhm what if it's What if like you suggested it's just a chain and it has a sign hanging off it no guards on duty right well that's what that's like the beach
closed i mean if we had something like that I don't know if we have But there's still going to be people going to the beach they That would be their choice to step over the chain i guess we told you so you got a big like a heavy something with a cement base and a pipe and a sign
and that you can move off to the side that's I don't know well yeah make it heavy enough so people don't walk off with it nothing's heavy enough actually dragged the dried marches into the surf i mean but that's uh Well it seems like you need a temporary
sign until start day right it says unguarded waters right um and then you need a a closed beach sign for when there's storms or Yeah they have unguarded water on Gooberry all the time that one's up all the time right at the
end of the costway yep so let me ask you this then are we are we planning on starting early next year or is that I will say that that's what we're planning on because I know you know January and March meaning we were planning on starting this year you know
it it becomes about you know hopefully we won't have items new chair other things that just kind of piled up in front of us here uh it's just an it's just the way it is like I said if we had all the money in the world we wouldn't have any of these problems
any uh I want to go to the parking lot uh has anybody everybody seen the parking lot we took pictures they're on the back of the packet if you want to look i'm hoping they finish it soon i don't know if it's changed since you took the pictures no idea so they
expanded the parking lot we picked up 15 more parking spaces that's the good news the bad news is they're still working on it so uh one of the problems is the entrance into the onto the path is now
like 40 ft wide it's just one tree one tree one tree and I'm trying to get them to put we're going to utilize some of the telephone poles to both to create like an entrance to walk on the beach and then we're putting some out on the road and get them rid of some of the rocks so we can pick up some more
parking spots uh and we're going to put ropes between them so it looks more presentable I guess than a lot of people like it because it's pretty solid right now it's pretty compacted and this will allow for tow trucks to get in there it's w It's
probably about 30 ft wider now uh so we moved the entrances the first entrance was always in the wrong spot because you parked in one of the corners you were blocking the entrance sure so everything's moved so you can get in there and get in we were testing it with my truck i was putting my truck in four-wheel drive make sure I could turn
around do you without doing a 12point turn uh in my truck and everything seemed to work out pretty well like I said we picked up 15 more parking spots which is huge uh and everything and they're still working on it so hopefully we'll finish that it may it makes it
hard for where to put the signs when we don't know what's going to be finished there so uh I don't know if anybody has any comments concerns questions well if you need to make the path narrower we need to get some boulders well we got some boulders there but what we need to do my fear is and it's always been this
way with the way the parking lot is you have little kids that bolt across the parking lot to and from the beach and people are backing up and you don't see them someone's going to get hit when you have a wide open entrance to the beach then it's like free-for-all mom and dad are dragging the lifeguards the kid that
the life the surfboards and the coolers and the kids are bolting in front of them and they turn the corner now there's no corner to turn it's just wide open i'm a little concerned about that well you could argue uh as a parent that happens with anytime you approach a parking lot well I don't want to in our
parking lot right but um I think that is the responsibility of the parent to to make sure their children don't run into that make it better when it happens you know what I mean and uh my concern is the way it's wide open like that it's like that's going to happen and then people will walk between cars with
surfboards and coolers instead of funneling them between certain spots now bang bang bang as they get through the car and everything so I think we need to fix that i was going to work with Chris to fix those problems because I just it it should be a nice you
know way to direct people to the beach while telling them how to get to the beach in other words it should be a nice pedestrian flow without a haphazard that's go anywhere type thing that's what I've been seeing the last couple of weekends even in the rain
people are like all over the place and parking all over the place and we're going to have two handicap spots now on each side of them what we're going to create to be the dedicated path that's good so uh because hopefully that's uh we are still
so I don't know if anybody has any comments about the parking lot concerns is it compacted gravel what is the material crushed asphalt grass but it's only on two of the bays and unfortunately it's the two bays are actually good the other two bays which get soft in the winter
they didn't do so I mean it gets really soft in the winter everybody complains that they're closed and we have a complaint from one of the some gentlemen wrote a complaint about why are the two bays closed because when you pull in there you sink up to your axle in mud mhm so we try to keep it closed so
people don't do that mhm yep you know but I mean how much you need in the winter how many need to be open in the winter i'm not sure have a day like this and then everybody runs to the beach and still going to have the same gates well for now they're they're much
better now they've repaired all the gates now they're all on really solid poles and they will close and lock and swing back and forth okay the problem is now they won't stay open so we have to keep have a way to keep open but we would like I would I would prefer not having to go down there every day during summer and we can still look into that
whenever we want but now I think it's set up better for that i think it's more uniform and more rigid okay you said uh other than that I don't know if anybody has any comments well I have actually have a question um I heard that we weren't getting the uh Humvey back is
that true or cannot use the Humvey so what we're planning on doing to create shelter at the beach is putting some post in at the beach like a sail light type thing to go over it so you can have shade and a place to sit uh we do have the other vehicles the Humvey
is uh it's leaking it's doing all kinds of things it's an environmental and safety hazard i thought there was $1,200 put aside to fix that it needs more than $1,200 okay um because my thing is too uh you know my guards can attest to this as well uh
when we you know get ready for the day and pack everything from the trailer um we use the Humvee and the Gator and uh I think instead of being a 10-minute job it's going to be like a 45minute job because we're going to have to make multiple trips with the Gator and uh also too um besides having some sort of
shelter for a break or whatever um the thing is too I just don't how do I want to say this no I understand i just don't understand uh like because we're also going to have a lot of guards too
driving to the beach more often than not so that's taking up parking spaces as well i agree so and every spot is premium uh I can see what we can do is there's a vehicle available the question would be do we buy another vehicle and that runs
into the budget issue again well I know there's a graveyard of Humvees behind the uh DPW there is a graveyard one of the things is it has to be road worthy the Humvey wasn't last year and it wouldn't couldn't possibly be made that way
without spending a significant amount of money that because all I know it needed it was it needed um what did it need it needed a power steering um there's something with the uh master uh cylinder and then with the uh exhaust system as
well was a brake line issue it was Okay that makes sense because Yeah it was something with the brakes yeah and so it was going to be well over $1,200 mhm and the problem is how much money you pouring into a vehicle that basically still won't be roadw worthy is there Did
we use a truck we did is there occasionally and I don't know if there's a truck available and everybody's in the kind of the same boat everybody needs something and we can check into it that's about the best I could say um might be able to get a truck just because you guys used to carpool correct
yeah ex that's what I was saying we used to carpool so there's going to be more parking spots yeah more parking spots not available and um I was almost thinking of putting that section in front of the uh you see how wide it is now the roll off container section whatever you want we'll call it making
that dedicated for guard parking only mhm so that parking lot still has parking spaces so where would we put the trailer if you did that where would we put the trailer no we're going to put the trailer there but there's enough room if you look how wide it is you can put four cars there pretty easily and
have the trailer open mhm uh but I'm thinking that's a because we don't want people parking there because then they get used to parking outside the parking lot that would be another problem but we made it a dedicated guard parking because like I said you know having another vehicle was really handy a and then b it's going to take a lot longer
just getting out there and packing up so it's I mean it's going to affect the day quite heavily i mean probably So your equipment is stored in the trailer with a gator yeah so we store it with the gator and then what we do is we what we did last year we took the humve and then we took the gator and we would pack it
both of them up one trip 10 minutes to get everything out and we guard for the day now it's I'm I'm figuring around five trips with the gator um to get our equipment and with that that's probably going to be like 45 minutes to I mean
you know set up and then 45 minutes to pack up so I mean I'm more concerned about you guys having shade on the beach and everything for when you want to eat lunch whenever you want to do so I want to get some like three post get a try sale or something there to provide shade and even place for shade if somebody has
heat stroke or something something because my question is this are because we're it's taking away from like watching the patrons to the setting up like I'm not saying we start earlier but um it's just it's kind of and we would
because we would start earlier and later or I mean uh so uh what time do you clock in at the fire station uh 7:50 which rounds at 8:00 and then you drive down there yep we get there for 8 set up we're done ready on the beach 8 10
8:15 like between that time oh I thought you started at 9:00 no oh I'm sorry 9 my bad so 9 so yeah so I'm sorry my mistake so we get to the uh station 8:50 so that rounds up to 9 and then with the
clocking in situation and then what happens is by 9:10 9:15 we're ready to go at the So you're thinking with multiple trips with the Gator you your guards wouldn't be on duty really until 9:30 or later like probably around 9:45 yeah 9:45
and then cleaning up we usually clean up head out around 4:45 to give us time to clock in for 5 but I mean okay so could we park the Humvey some way down
there and just keep it there and keep it there i know that that opens you up to vandals and you know well it doesn't have a key yeah that's the only thing yeah and that's a problem in itself the other problem is it's an environmental hazard all the time the other problem
it's a safety hazard even if you have the Humvey on the beach and it going down the brakes fail what happens if like okay it's going down the beach and the brakes fail and you're going to the rescue and you just keep going straight off into the Westport River or run over somebody or run over something or you know I guess you mentioned five trips
back and forth what is it that you're bringing back and forth well the surfboards for or the rescue boards for one thing and then all of our um our bins containing our first aid kits and then the torps and then the rescue reels and then the the flags as well um trying
to think of anything else oh the backboards that's another thing um the signs that's another thing right the signs so I mean it is yeah the shovels that's right i mean Yep say it again that's right trash cans we put the trash cans out umbrellas i mean
yeah it'd be nice if we could see if there was a truck available we can We can check into it i'll look into it i'll ask Jim will the signs that we're discussing be part of the parking lot will the highway department be doing the
ongoing I'm assuming they'll be putting them in the parking lot they they ripped out all the the posts the the metal ones the wooden ones need replacing anyway uh but they're all going to be on metal post typical sign post I guess out and then just looking at the sign that you
guys are going to be creating it says that lifeguards are on duty 9 to5 in June July and August we can change that 14th sure that's our start date yep we can change that might have to cross it out for next year you know well we we
typically say second Saturday in June whenever that date is so I could say second Saturday of June to um Labor Day weekend it's always Labor Day weekend so whatever that day is second Saturday in June through Labor
Day weekend that's historically what we've done actually we we did a couple years where we couldn't even meet that we had to start third week third Saturday and then for next year talking about their skeleton crew starting early we don't
have Do we have funds available for next year in the budget i think we budget I think we budgeted it but it's dependent on what our enterprise fund brings in i'm expecting that we're going to get at least the same if not more so we budgeted it that way and that depends on sale of a sale
of beach passes because like I said we don't know what happens like nothing comes in between July and December right sure uh and then January 1 it kicks off and I'll get into the town clerks report and that kind of gives an indication of how many we're going to sell and we sell about the same every year we dropped a
couple hundred last year but we had more revenue and I'm anticipating that would be the same but you can't promise that sure you know uh I expect it to be the same mine will be cheaper next year so and you'll lose $15 the last thing I'm
going to say about that too is you know I know 5,000 some people think that's that's a lot you know but in the whole scheme of things the 5,000 is a lot cheaper than having to pay out a settlement to someone that's all I'm going to say i agree but if there's nowhere to take
it from then how do you fund it i mean it would be nice if we had somebody at the beach year round you know and make sure that would be great but uh I mean you can't get But you can't something that's not there um I would just say you
know maybe there is an opportunity for us to send a letter to the select board um well there's a meeting May 6th right you know maybe the parking but then you then it goes out you do that for every beach and you do that for every you know this is the land trust thing you know basically open space public open space
as long as you're not creating a hazard so basically you guys don't want to set that precedent though for next year even too that's that's what I'm getting out of it i could be wrong well the precedent is we're starting earlier the precedent that we start the second week of June is been going on for the last 50 years I've been in town well the last
two years I've been on on the beach you know I could be mistaken but we started the week of basically Fourth of July i mean we started later the last couple years that's when we did we didn't have the money to start before that that's what the problem is we don't know what we're going to have until we have it
it's that plain and simple because I'm not I'm not saying we you know go all year round that would that wouldn't be s sensible you know but but it's like I know people are swimming after September 15th or Labor Day it's the same thing mhm yeah it would be nice to start basically it provides a service to the
town the town likes having that and that's why we have lifeguards okay you know it provides a service a lot of people enjoy having lifeguards and keeps order on the beach it keeps you know you know they there are people who do stupid things you know go out before them you know and it's a service and
unfortunately we can only provide so much service with so much money mhm but just again to clarify so the plan for next fiscal year summer next summer um is to try and at least for the weekend start Memorial Day weekend yeah
depending yeah we have to look at um because because the other thing that kind of you run into is like next year Labor Day will be like the 7th of September right so there'll be an extra week of pay built into that i think we built that all in i think we looked at that yeah yeah but if we only take in $140,000 between July 1st of this year
right and next year we're So I guess my suggestion would be just to like um you know do the numbers do the math for what it would be for next year based on what you ideally would want to do and then monitor the beach passes being sold um
and then if it doesn't match like if say like what is requested in the P is it personnel or professional services line item like if it doesn't match what you expected or budgeted for then maybe you could possibly plan for requesting a
warrant article you know from another line item like pre-planning that so that the only time we need warrant articles we're going from personnel to expenses expenses to personnel we can make it work within expense personnel and the personnel and we can possibly do that but every once in a while on the like in
professional services it something catch you off guard like a $12,000 autobond contract you know and then sure whack thing you know so you do you're not expecting to spend all this right why say we have a 10 grand buffer in case right you know a rainy day fund
whatever you want to call it and we end up usually spending it on something you know and it could be you you need all new equipment next year so how you know I don't think we'll need new equipment next year let's say you have to stop at square one you know a
hurricane comes and wipes out all the lifeguard chairs now what do we do you know and and that's why you know I'm I'm conservative when it comes to spending but I also know that we only have so much money i just think it would be good to be consistent with horse neck i don't I know I'm just repeating myself yeah I
know we're going in circles but So it would be important though that we look into a truck truck one is available because if they're going to have to go back and forth five times that's going to cut down on the amount of time y that they're on the beach well then maybe somebody will come around and I think if
the sign states that we don't open until June 14th then we've made the public aware okay the beach is closed um until then because we've had requests for you guys to be on the beach till 6 and we've had requests you know we thought about staggered stuff and all these other
things and scenarios and you know because what happens at 5:00 there's more pe plenty of people on the beach when you drive away you've seen it right i mean I know last year Horseneck actually they required their guys to stay a little longer than usual till six for a couple weeks because they were
getting more patrons than usual so but yeah surprising but yeah no it was I think in the middle of July or maybe beginning of July i don't know i'm not sure when the time was but Okay uh wrapping up is there anything else
outside of that lifeguard um parking lot just to clarify again Sean is it you who's going to look in the truck or Perry you I can ask Jim or I can ask Chris to see if one avail because every once in a while one comes available like the one we last one we had got I don't
want to say got stolen but got taken by the school department for to get rid of the trash which I thought was because we had bought a truck a few years ago not brand new a four-wheel drive and it didn't last very long that's the problem with buying trucks okay that's why we went with the gator
we're hoping if you find out any new information can you just let me know and I can pass that on to Michael okay all right moving along Uh I think we've covered all the other items opening day items that are needed i
think we covered everything actually one more thing too because I'm a little confused with the hourly hourly rate of the guards i It was agreed upon certain numbers bless you agreed upon certain numbers but I don't think it is that number i don't know what technically we're getting so the
hourly rate for the guards is $22.28 that's what was posted 3% raise that was with the 3% that's one they voted on yeah i asked Denise what it the rate was last year and the town ministry told me you know add 3% on to that but
then I think in a past meeting um Michael had brought up um um I'll bring Yeah so can I see that yeah sure so it was brought up that uh the assistant guard would be making 25 and that I would actually be making 30 an hour
because I'm basically the beach manager and the head lifeguard into one and there was two positions for the beach manager and for the head lifeguard when I initially applied for 25 an hour um so
supposedly that was agreed upon last I mean uh in January we can recommend we don't have the power to do that the the selectman approved the 3% raise because the 3% doesn't even cover really inflation i mean it so it's kind of going backwards but and I'm I'm not
aware of um what the rate is for the head guard and assistant currently do you all know the assistant Danny the assistant doesn't get paid like the assistant you're not getting paid and you're getting paid like the other guys yeah that was built into next starting
July 1st that he'll get the increase because that was voted on at the personnel board the position and the pay rate for and I don't know what it is off top of my head but I think it's behind because it was a year or so ago we asked for this uh but we can find out but he he will be making more money than the
lifeguards will be making but less than what Michael's is it written or posted anywhere it's in the personnel thing and you can ask Jim he must have the number I don't know what the number is they vote again it was recommended voted on i remember at a selectman's meeting they were discussing it yep and it went to the personnel board and I contacted
Cindy Brown at the personnel board she said "We voted on it and created the position." Was that last year or two years ago or last year last year so just ask J we made that recommendation to create the assistant life assistant head lifeguard and that
had to be created through the personnel board and it had to go to town meeting and voted and they vote for the pay raise because the pay rate at the town meeting so I'm asking Jim what is the rate for the headguard and what is the rate for the assistant head probably
these Nicole will probably know probably Jim won't know off the top of his head so you might want to just talk to Denise her okay I'll ask Denise i see we have uh Chris Bole here from horse neck so I don't want to go round and round again
on this uh we but yeah no I I mean we have been but Chris can you know attest to what I've been saying so all I can tell you is we we can recommend but we don't make the final
vote we don't make the final decision because I guess basically you know what's happening is um they don't want to set the precedent for starting in May because that would set the precedent for other years to come but I was trying to say that it would be um just consistent to do what Horsen does because you guys
open Memorial Day weekend that's correct horses neck has a lot more money than we do that's not necessarily correct well you have more resources than we do that's not necessarily correct that is correct
i pay my fishing I I pay my fish and hunting license every year and I know what DCR gets i have a quick question do you guys have a breakdown of where the money goes to you said you had Yes do you have a breakdown of that yes
yeah we have a budget so Michael knows right yes and and we budget like I said we budget certain items what we think we need and like they say open May let's say and you hope that something doesn't blow up in your face that it turns out
we don't we're not going to have the money because we're all we take in so much money for the enterprise fund we sell 4,000 beach passes at 50 bucks let's say let's say that's the case it's not the case but so we get $200,000 that's all we have to work with
if we if we spend $21,000 and have to go back to the town it's going to be a big problem so I guess we can look into because one of the problems we had when I first got on here we had a $30,000 budget to pay the lifeguards and run the beach
and they recommend at the finance committee that you guys should have an enterprise fund because we're making all this money with beach passes but it was all going into the general fund and I was watching the beach neglected so I got on the beach committee and said "We got to change this." because they weren't getting safety equipment they you know they're running down there you know lifeguard chairs that look like you
know leaning tower pizza you know there were all these things and then this little girl teenager drowned and there was no vehicle on the beach i was there wow and that's when Yeah this is stopping right here so there's
an incident now web how do they get a child down if they don't have a vehicle there's there is a vehicle we have the gator but we have the gator to get something off the beach because you can't exactly run an ambulance down the beach obviously you can run it down the end of the path maybe but you're not getting it down you know 300 yards down
the beach or something they use the gator for that mhm i mean typically we had a a truck or you know and Chris you you must have been there when she drowned i took man control I guess yeah okay so that was a tragic thing and that wasn't the only one there was one before
that where somebody after hours went in actually they're both after hours i was there also oh without so this is the problem you run into and and unfortunately when I was getting on the committee and several other members who were not president Tim and Bob Carroll
and all these people all decided get on the beach committee because like what the heck is going on down there you know there's other things that you know everybody wants a nice parking lot and other things but it was more like this has got to stop and here we are today we're much we're hundred times better than we were we're not perfect
we just don't have if everybody like I said if we the town had all the money in the world all departments be running around happy but it's not the case but being a semi beach which you are there also certain requirements to have with respect to the state
running DPH regulations minimum requirements and such and I think that needs to be considered decision that you're looking at what standards or state requirements and and I certainly understand fiscal
constraints and budgeting and such um however we do know you know tragedies occur because something hasn't happened doesn't mean that it will no and in addition to that if you look at a potential medical
emergency um you know you're talking Hicks bridge is out the station's out of Hicks bridge on a run and you know sometimes we call mutual agent compro is out you're talking a 20 minute run time to get down
there to provide advanced life support if you had life there in the weekends prior to and we we didn't for a while we found there was very we found that there was a significant need for them to be there on weekends and um often times
earlier you know you get a good June early June day or more weekend it's busier than a Fourth of July it'll be busy on Saturday it'll be packed down there it'll be packed you know I do understand the fiscal constraints I just think that
um you have to look at You know we are looking we we're not ignoring it here i mean I don't think anybody here is ignoring any of the concerns here but there's I don't think so at all i would never say that you know we and one mic the first thing I've made stressed
number of times is safety and rescue is number one priority you know signs are great parking lots are great everything is great right but I want to make sure that they have everything they need to work with and get it done basically you know and if that means that we don't
have a sign in the parking lot it means we don't have a sign in the parking lot i'm number one safety right across the board that's But you know if we say we're open in May and then what happens well you really should open the beginning of May because it gets kind of hot in May then what about the vacation week and what about in April and then it
just you know and what about October memorial Day is how many fishermen go into the water in October and they're like in the waiters and they're going to go drown memorial Day is pretty much a I hate to use industry standard but it is and and I have to be honest with you not all the state parks open on Memorial Day but I'm aware of that typically it's
it's the beaches that open right you know the high use well a lot of the ponds and lake beaches don't open on Memorial Day though correct pools don't either so I understand that but it's typically the ocean i understand but you know the problem is if you make it like okay we think we're
going to open next weekend and somebody believes you are or you don't or you don't you're not sure you know it's it's better uh to say we're definitely opening on second week of Saturday every June everybody's aware of that rather than I
think we can open the maybe the first week or maybe Memorial Day weekend and I don't know you know well I I think it's better I mean it's safer for us to be consistent correct rather than give people the idea that
well maybe it's open memorial but maybe it's not and that if if we are consistent within our own capabilities which we can try to change I think it's a lot safer to do
that than to propose one thing maybe do it for one year and then oops we can't do it next year what does people get I would agree Yeah it's got to be sustainable and it's got to be consistent right and I think
that there's a tradeoff there but I think in terms even in terms of safety consistency is important because people need to know one of the things I learned about working at least market because it only closed two days of the year you know was it's open it
was open from 8 to 9 every day and everybody knew that and everybody knew when it was open and everybody knew when it was closed and it was that way for 40 years and it was just something that people knew okay that's when it happens i don't want to get into like I said where the starting date is a moving
goalpost you know all through the year but just to reiterate we are looking at next year yes starting for Memorial Day yeah but again I I don't I want to stress I don't want to sit here and and have Michaels have the same argument he's having today and say
"Well we thought we were going to have 140,000 but we only got 138." I don't want to promise yes when when all of a sudden something goes wrong you know I just think that and certainly um in discussions I think that
as a as a public safety professional you constantly reevaluate what you do and you look for best practices and improve and I think make great strides with developing oh absolutely which never existed appropriate protocols
pre-ervice in service and those are all things that um when there's a tragedy and there's a impending lawsuit those are the things right now that they look at service inservice and you know consistent reporting so I think there's been great
strides made but we also look you know how things change and how society changes and and sometimes that requires changing what we do on a facility if possible if if possible do we know if
um the town beaches Lil Compton Dartmouth do they open more Memorial Day weekend or not i I could not tell you actually i was just with the beach manager there i could ask him again it might be worth looking into other communities right just to see what they do there's also a different amount
of staffing in other and it's different expenditures of course you know I I remember uh my wife when she was a teenager she was the uh Elephant Rock Beach Club she was the
employee at the desk and they had one lifeguard now they've got like 20 it's just amazing what happened they have 15 and six full-time equivalents they have 15 so they have a lot of part time workers right well it's like 20
total where one of the reasons for that is the people that are staffing and running them former supervisor that's one of the reasons why but I'm I'm just amazed that you know there there was one lifeguard with the ability
uh pull the pull a tow truck in there i would imagine that uh we will be finding individuals uh more oftenly than we have in the past is there the police do a great job Yeah of patrolling and ticketing but I can tell you and it's
not anecdotal anymore and other people know it people will park there because it's only $50 i don't Is Horses neck go up this year did horse go up this year do you know no we stay the same it's still pretty expensive but you know it's 35 for a car
uh 13 40 out of state okay so you're 40 out of state to park at Horseneck or you're paying 50 at Cherry and West what if we tow them right if they That's what I want well not just towing i want to find them i want to you know I want Could we ask that hang them in the town square i don't care it does it's just it
but they park blatantly in front of a police officer and they'll tell them you can't park here it's only 50 bucks cuz if you have three kids and your wife you can't go to the movies for 50 bucks do we have the right to tell them yeah I think you do that's what we look for the police department is not a fan of that
because of the liability involved with that sure but $50 doesn't deter anybody in this day and age mhm could we find out from the town if uh if we did bring in more money from towing if we could appropriate it towards I wonder if we could do that i'm not sure with legality
how that all works with police department and everything but I would love to see something happen because it just it just doesn't work for the town residents it just doesn't work the number of calls or the number of people say "Well you know there's five cars with tickets why don't they get them out of here i need a spot." Yeah i don't I
would get upset too if I went down there and you know had kids and all kinds of things and you can't find a place to park but you see all these cars with tickets on them and they're just in the parking lot i don't know we al there's all the problems we can get to on beach
logistics i think we got talk about the drop off issue you know making the lifeguard daycare center and stuff like that people drop off now i mean you'll see it looks like a clown car you see a van pull out you see 12 kids get out of this car with stuff and mom and dad drive back up the road
and then they're inheriting you know it's like a daycare center you know all these kids and it's not a safe or a good option but that's another day so I know we've gone over it but we will look to open early next year we'll look to
possibly a truck um that the guards can use and we need to work on signage making the signage we're all set with the signage right i will talk to Chris i will email the list that and I'm going to make the adjustment to the lifeguard
dates saying 2nd Saturday of June through Labor Day um and I will email him that list and see if he can make us a sign and tell him we want it posted should we say next to where the dog one is on the path yes i think that's the most visible yeah so I can do that
yes and then did you It was kind of back and forth about if you want me to do um Oh the unguarded water sign or the closed open sign the unguarded water sign we can put up after Labor Day and take it down when they start whenever that is so I'll ask Chris about that and
do we want that and it says on that other sign that we're opening June I mean we're going to open second Saturday in June second Saturday of June Labor Day weekend say it there but I think if we the more we say it yeah because that's the thing with the dogs too that's the problem with the
inconsistency of the dogs people like Labor Day and then you know and when do you stop bringing them when do you start bringing them as long as you have dates and it's the same thing every year people learn eventually so so you just want me to look at the unguarded water sign and the beach
closed sign and a beach closed okay and like do we know do we want that on poles or No it could go it would have to be set with say wing nuts on on the
underneath the big sign okay so like Yeah put something the highway department can figure i mean we know when we know when there's a hurricane coming we put it on the big the flashing sign beach closed okay that's easy to do it's more of a
they're on the beach there's a squall thunderstorm lightning shouldn't be in the water at all i don't expect somebody to be standing out there you know getting electrocuted on the lifeguard chair trying to keep people out of the beach when they can put up a sign said beach closed i guess my question is I'm not sure what sign to ask him to do like
what like I know it's gonna say beach closed but like how like do you want it on underneath the other sign or under underneath the other sign with with wing nuts no no the beach closed sign to me has to go on a chain that goes between two signs okay okay okay so that way
because that way you can if they're driving out they can just they break it out and they put it up and then you know if they want to take it down they can take it down so it's on a chain between two poles and then the guards can just put it up okay and they can put it up i
don't know we just Mhm okay okay thank you for that clarification and then the unguarded water sign same thing same thing well no that will go on the sign put it up in the fall and take it down in the spring so like on a cement post that we move put it right on
one of the sign post for one of the regular uh the beach rule sign okay and Chris would just add it on or off okay okay okay I'm good nice okay and then I had
pictures in there of the progress of the new um lifeguard stand if you're interested in seeing that um I did talk with Stephen um he said it's going really well um shows some of the kids welding and working on it it's made of aluminum and
uh I want to say he said he they're doing a mahogany finish or something yeah mahogany finish yeah and he said he'll for sure have it ready before end of May okay and it's going to fit three guards on it how's it going to get here they are
going to bring it okay is it painted or is it I They're going to do a mahogany treatment so it looks like wood I think okay i think it's powder coated or something or whatever okay who knows okay nice all right
moving on to the agenda because somebody's I think somebody's coming in here at 6 all right uh thank you yep absolutely thank you thank you uh we got unanticipated does anybody in the audience have a
No okay uh members anything um no i think we covered a lot of it um just from last meeting we had uh sent back the uh mass autobon uh piping
clover asked them to only have one placard rather than Oh that's fine yeah so I didn't know who needed to do I had a discussion they and uh Kristen and Carla made up one uh so okay uh a Payton's
pink so they're all set great the John's and the spring okay springing is springing the spring is spring uh when should I start it that's what I want to date okay same as always i think
I kind of uh the Porter Jones let him do his thing his lifeguards are here were you thrilled with the Porter Johns last year say it again the Porter Johns that were on the beach last year yes do you like those or the ones the year before i don't know if you were here the year before um it it really doesn't matter
you tell us i mean John you know yeah well yeah those were orange and they I don't think they're as nice as the yellow ones but what's the And you've seen them and Yeah well they they wrote on it'd be nice if
the truck that came to uh pump them out were four-wheel drive because last year they didn't have a four-wheel drive truck see that's one of the problems and and the other thing the problem had they kept forgetting their key and I had to run down there and open up the damn gate excuse me the gate and they was driving
me out and I kept giving them an extra key and they kept losing it and so phrase we did not have that problem and we didn't have that we could help we could help the truck when we had the Humvee but without the Humvee we wouldn't be able to Well Fraids didn't have seem to have a problem so what's the difference price contracting
freights and and they they're totally different um I sent them to you i didn't but frees did not go up at all it's the same as it has been so I would entertain a motion to uh go back to frees to take
care of Porta Johnson Beach motion i'll second it and I'll call them tomorrow all in favor i Okay here we go and um the the spring I'll just say the end of May and I'll let him Mr bliss make
his decision on one hand and they have a key i'll check with him but I think he's Yeah check with them i will I'll get him one so I'll work on those next week okay anything else i don't have I got a bunch
of items but question what's the spray if I ask the spraying the mosquitoes mosquitoes the garlic spray it's a garlic spray it's natural uh and the state used to spray and it wasn't as effective with the poison as it is with the garlic spray
I use it at my house too and if you've ever walked down that path in the evening or even on a you know a cloudy day you get you give a pint of blood behind you get to the parking lot so and there's a safety concern there because of encphilitis with Nile virus etc so uh
it's just ticking mosquito control it's very cheap it's actually pretty inexpensive $235 $235 to spray it's pretty I think it's cost effective and then I wait for him to say how much blood he's left and then
we get the second spray sometimes we do sometimes we don't depends on the rain during the summer uh I've got the fence everybody seen the fence there's another section they have to do we've approved this at the the complete section they did some reason they did a
section way over here when they supposed to do over here uh we had a a email complaining about that i saw that yeah i sent I think I forwarded it to everybody did you see that yeah uh one resident who was not pleased
the old fence that was was still left there in the danger and everything like that and it was our intent right so we're going to take care of that uh that issue uh hopefully who is monitoring the web the web mail
i have access to the email but it seems like others do as well i don't have access because I can't believe we're not getting any that's why that's why I'm saying that because usually about this time is just the same thing why isn't this open why isn't that what are you doing here why
are you doing this you know and with the parking lot half under construction I was fully expecting a pile of when are you going to finish it type things who normally monitors the I monitor it anything that I receive I send to the chair i just want to make sure we're not
missing someone's concerns other than this week we had one um requesting what the time and date of the meeting was i let them know um and anytime there's something to do with a placard or you
know somebody registering for this year or uh I always send that to the town clerk uh and I CC you as well okay i have uh I got a phone call uh through town clerk's office about beach passes by the
way we're up to 156 beach passes i believe Carla told me as of right now that will change because of today and it will certainly change because of Saturday all a sudden it'll be an instant boom in beach passes all guarantee uh so we're doing pretty good
going into finishing up what is last year so won't have any money problem because we're still working on the money from this year last year kind of strange uh I got a call from a gentleman at 2015 Main Road who owns a
trust who is requesting four beach passes he has him his wife and his two daughters that live at that you may know him who was it 2015
main and we rank and Okay and the issue is we've always given four beach passes to trusts mhm but they were told he'll told he was told that he can only get two well if we've done it in the past then there's a I think we've always done I think it says right in the regulations
before for the trusts so we should do it here as well i would imagine I would need a motion along that line to grant him the four passes yeah make that motion so move if it's Oh we all made a motion everybody made the motion do we have a second somewhere
second second okay uh it's in the rules all in favor i I uh that came up yesterday so it wasn't on the agenda uh I think that's it like I said the uh Carla told me that we're over 1500 beach
passes which is a good good pace uh for the electronic stuff uh other than that we're hoping I'm hoping Chris will finish the parking lot next i know it's going to be a problem this weekend it's a long weekend and it's supposed to be 80° on Saturday so
he's got equipment down there and there's things lying all over the place but hopefully we'll be finishing that in the next week or so so we can get sign when signs are made and things are more formalized we'll be a little happier uh and I think that's it all right um I
just want to ask I know the town is changing over to a new website um I have permission to um adjust my recreation page who do you want on the beach committee or myself to add or adjust the beach committee it probably should be
you i'm fine because because of because of business hour things i don't Perry you know none of us are doing this for full-time but you know I'm I'm happy to do it i just wanted to ask because one of the things one of the things I anticipated you would be you would be doing is the phone call that the town
clerk always gets are you guys opening tomorrow at 8 some of those calls oh you you know are you closing tomorrow at 8 you opening tomorrow at 9:00 you should the email go to Dana as Yeah that's what I'm saying you know because at least she can answer quickly and and it may be a lot of the beach pass issues can't be
resolved until the beach committee meets and a lot of people get upset at that because like they'll call tomorrow and we're not meeting for another four weeks plus or minus which we'll decide in the third Thursday or every month uh and then and you can contact me or send me
an email or see if it is a beach path problem sure i I'm happy to do that i just need guidance on how to access that i think uh Paula assisted me so if you Paula I think she'll be able to give you that it's been a problem since Lucy
passed lucy Tabet was to do and and passed and then it it kind of got dropped like the agendas aren't posted the minutes aren't posted nothing's being posted i could I could do all that okay all right
that's it okay okay i want to say a motion you dojourn you got it second