Good afternoon and welcome to the Westport Board of Health October 27th, 2025 meeting which I'm calling to order. Under master law chapter 30A section 20, the meeting is being recorded and please join me in.
>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Microphones on. [Applause] Okay, we'll start with the director's written report um short to speak. So, I assume there's no questions and move on to your update now.
Uh so transfer station um the truck is uh been acting up and uh cost us some more money last week, but we got on top of it and got it fixed. And the um now the um
backhoe loader needs a new starter it looks like. So I mean I'll just uh you know keep fixing things until we run out of money I guess which is starting to come quick. Um, but other than that, transfer station looks
good. Operations are good. Uh, George Campbell uh went out there uh two Saturdays ago to uh show there's some big trees starting to grow up and they're on the very back side of the landfill. So, we
had to buy a chainsaw to cut them down uh because he was nervous that they were going to possibly permeate the barrier. >> So, we we got those cut down. Um but uh all in all things are moving along pretty good down there. Um Nick is and
Joe have been on getting on top of the uh barn books. We have quite a few. Seems like every time we we go out and do our inspections, we we stumble upon another two of them. So the list keeps growing for barn books uh this year, but um no major problems other than just a
lot of people aren't around and you know it's hard hard to set up appointments. So, um, you know, we give it a couple of tries and then if we can't get through, we write it in the book and send it off saying we couldn't, um, you know, get on the property to do the inspection.
So, and board of health is is just it's very busy with perks, especially there. We've got perks booking now well into December. Um, you know, John was out on a couple today down the harbor that didn't go all that well. Um I think Wednesday we but I
would I would imagine they may be cancelled at this point because of the rain, but down here at um Pine Ridge Estates, we're going to they want to stop working those back lots, but I'm not sure what's going to happen with that yet because of the the weather moving in. So um stay tuned on that.
Uh yeah, so there's more things to talk about, but uh at our next meeting, um I did receive um the process seems to be different this year for the um uh the 500,000 from D for the community
septic loan money. Now, there's like a 12-page document that I have to review and sign, which I did not have time to do today. And it kind of outlines the board of health responsibilities and what we're supposed to do. So, before I sign it. I would prefer at our
next meeting the board reviews it and make sure that we're good with whatever might be going on with that before I sign off on it so I could put it on, you know, the agenda for the next meeting for you guys to review. >> That's the November
>> 3rd, no 10th. >> Okay. Which is also when we have our hearing for the subject regulation. >> Yes. and all that's already been advertised and and all that. And also um at that meeting, I don't know if you want to do it at that meeting or the
meeting after just talk about fees may possibly some fees at the transfer station. >> Okay. Maybe the next meeting because >> Okay. So it' be what the 24th maybe. >> Yeah. Right before Thanksgiving. that.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> And the one director approved plan. Oh, go ahead. >> Yeah. Just before we go to that, um any update on um I know the SNAP benefits, you know, cliff will be November 1st. I
tell that we have posted resources for people to um if they need help with food assistance between a local food pantry and a bunch of resources in fall. Do we have that post done? Not yet because um
I I Linda I talked to Linda about that and um I got to just vet out some of the what what's listed to make sure that it's viable to start sending people you know in other directions. >> Yeah. Um I know that wick where local
boards of health aren't wick pickup sites. So, um I know on the local news late last week, I think it was maybe Thursday night, uh they, you know, when they were talking about the SNAP benefits ending and the first thing they said was contact your local board of
health for assistance. And it's like, well, I don't know what that means exactly, but we don't, you know, we might be able to steer them in the way of a food pantry or something, but we definitely don't have any thing here that we have for resources that we can be handing out at this point. Um, I did
ask DPH if you know if they're going to start sending people to local boards of health, can we start using PH money to buy gift cards or formula for people? But I have not received a response to that question yet. >> Um, okay. And um I I'll just sort of two
cents. If if people who have resources can make um you know donations to the Westport Food Pantry, I think they're going to be um um seeing a lot of demand. I'm sure if you want to help your neighbors that would be great. Um
okay. Anything else on your board? Any other questions? Board members? Nope. >> Okay. We'll move on to director approved plans. >> Just one today. Um, this is for 200 Atlantic A. It's a
upgrade. I believe it's going for 45 to five bedrooms on a 59,57 ft lot for a Nicholas Leard. Um, it's using an Advantex and an Elgen and it's still pending concom.
>> I have no questions. So then I move that we endorse the director approved plan for 200 Atlantic tab um and pending Hong Kong review. >> Uh second
>> motion made and seconded to approve the project for Nair at 200 Atlantic Avenue 5 upgrade. Um all in favor >> I I thank you. >> That's on the agenda for concom for tomorrow. >> Okay. as far as I know.
>> Okay. >> But that was >> but they dealt you so they you were okay with the whole velocity zone issue >> as far as the upgrade is. Okay. >> Okay. Next on the agenda is the minutes
from October 14th. Any concerns there? >> I did not have any. >> No. Good. >> All right. So I move that we approve the minutes for October 14th, 2025. >> Second. All in favor? >> I
>> Good. That's Yeah, I was a little slow on the draw there. Sorry. Okay. Um, other business will um do board member updates. Well, um just to say that Matt and I u
met with Bob Daylor to go over the draft that uh revision that Matt and I have been working on. I thought it was like a a very productive meeting. Um so now I think u so you know we haven't really
talked about who takes the next step. You know I could come up with something. So, but I think that it's, you know, kind of moving along to certainly a lot less pages and I think more more clarity on uh division of responsibilities
between uh the zoning board, the conservation commission and and you know what's left over for us and uh yeah, so I think we could have a draft, you know,
a public hearing draft in November possibly, >> you know. >> And what's this regarding again on Saturday? >> Storm water. >> Storm water. >> Yeah. Stormwater provision. So, uh yeah. >> Well, we have a that working meeting in
between um our next meeting. So, a week next week, right? So, I don't mean to push, but that's an opportunity. from some initial. >> Yeah. No, I think that that makes sense, too. Yeah, exactly. So, I think the next draft would be fine for that because
then it'll kind of lay out the big picture items, >> um, you know, that have changed and how we're, you know, uh, what we're focused on and without necessarily getting into the nitty-gritty editorial details.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um so the um opioid settlement fund advisory committee is having a meeting tomorrow. Uh it didn't get posted last week for our meeting last week. So we're having it tomorrow. One of our speakers
is going to be um uh Mr. Hartnett who's the um acting I don't know if he's called an acting administrator um town administrator interim >> um but to talk about the role of um uh
the town administration in supporting the open settlement fund advisory committee and expenditures because we're at a standstill right now. So, I asked him to come speak to the committee. Okay. >> Right.
And I'm still working on um I need to meet with Matt at some point to review some of the research I've done on the sanitary dog um uh policy from other neighboring communities and what they do
or don't do. So, I have to organize that to sit down with them. >> Um Okay. Um I think I just um the only thing I've worked on really was the um home burial, moving that over to
D um and have um spoken with um the town clerk just to give her a heads up for that um planning purposes. Um so she's working on figuring out what to do um for burial
permit and um Matt has awarded the town administrator. So um I guess the final step would be approval by the select board. So we have our first
home burial approval process completed. Um that's it for me I think. Um, >> do we have any plans for our future shorelines articles out?
>> Oh, yeah. No, we don't. Um, I think we Well, I should say I think we had some topics a few months ago and I just completely forgot. So, um,
uh, we can do an article on, um, the subject reggg update where we you know, reduce the total nitrogen testing requirement. Um, so just for information, um, I know that that has an
issue that, um, um, the on andm operator is having some difficulty with the homeowners around testing and keeping up their agreement. So, um, it's an opportunity to remind people that, you know,
that's branches found here. keep things um maintained. So um I can do that one. Um >> I have a suggestion. >> Y >> just by me suggestion it doesn't mean I
want to write it. But um >> just I think we should just keep a close eye on you know the SNAP benefits and all and maybe add an art put something in an article just to you know maybe a list of places or just some kind of
helpful tips for people that may you know need those >> that's very timely um snap update yeah once Linda has um has done her um vetting maybe maybe
because that would be useful for the other towns as well. >> Sure. >> Great. >> I was wondering, Matt, is is do you um get a lot of questions about the
accessory dwelling unit uh and septic issues? >> Yes. >> So, and I I know there was like kind of this splash about it, but I don't think we ever did anything in the shorelines for was probably on the list of things to do and we just
>> I that's me I've kind of been distracted so I forgot. Um >> would somebody like to write about that or not? >> I mean it it's not like doing it for next month. I I I could definitely do it, >> you know. >> Um
>> I think I have all the background materials in the file. >> Well, it looks like we've got a couple right already teed up. Uh I just to say just to that the biggest thing that we're running up against is existing houses. They want to
put an ADU above the garage and their house is three bedrooms, but it's really but they're saying, "Well, it's two bedrooms and we have all these rooms that qualify as bedrooms." It it kind of puts us in a a kind of a predicament of what do we do, right? that we count
those rooms in the existing house and make them decommission them in a way that kicks them out of the definition even though they're not being used as a bedroom at the moment. Um, but the potential exists if they sell the place or they exist that they can be a bedroom at some point. I don't know. I think
that's our biggest challenge right now because we have a lot of those backing up because I'm you know I have to do re there's a lot of research that goes into this. Joe has to go out you know once or twice a week and he's doing bedroom counts it seems like on different places. So, um, and then we have to figure out what we're going to do with
these extra rooms and how we're going to deal with that. Could I just say because I I I maybe this came up at the meeting in which I arrived late at, but um I know that we in terms of the title five
definition get um really focused on the um the quantitative criteria of that or you know the you know does it have a window? Does it have you know um this and that
in it? But it's the introductory sentence to the definition which I don't think that we put any weight on and I think it is be
helpful to think about that more which is and it's not designated for sleeping >> primarily used for sleep >> primarily used for sleeping and then has these other character you know these other characteristics. And so
um the you know the and so the question is um you know hating to you know like write a policy about it but what is it that makes a room um what' you use the word
>> primarily used >> primarily used for sleeping um uh versus you know it it has the other just architectural um components to it and um you know how
do we you know how do we address that? Um so >> well I think the issue is um it has a window it's a yes or no you know if it's prim primarily used for sleeping is
um gray at best. >> Yeah I I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. But if I was an advocate, you know, I if I was here, I'd be advocating for it, you know, you know, to that it requires some weight.
So if I say, you know, there's no bed in there or, you know, there's >> but a bed can be brought in. >> I know. But then Yeah. I don't disagree. I I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that, >> you know, I'm not disagreeing
with you about that. I'm just saying, you know, with my lawyerly whatever had on, they didn't require that sentence wasn't really required in the definition to define it. They just could have said it has a window, it has a this, it has that.
They'd have to, you know, that wouldn't be the end of it. But there's this introductory sentence to it. And um you know maybe there are ways that you know we should address that that would
um you know not cause havoc. >> Well we we kind of addressed it in the Paul bedroom policy by saying a finished room whether it be in the house or at a detached structure um if it's finished it's presumed to be a bedroom. So, we
kind of addressed it in that way, but it's starting to be become a little bit problematic. So, I just think we should >> Yeah, >> maybe that's a topic we can >> Yeah, I Yeah, >> talk about it. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm not
um I would like to be able to have an answer to people who are
um you know to applicants who you know look you in the eyes and I I have no intention of putting a bed in there. And our response back in a way is, well, I'm sorry. We just can't trust you to put one in. And so, which is I feel like
that's, you know, a dynamic that could happen on the horizon. And I just >> want to feel comfortable in if there if there are objective things that we can say about it to be able to
say about it. or you know that or we get people to you know commit under the pains and penalties of perjury that this is what they're going to do and that we have a right to come by at some point and inspect you know the you know that unit
and you know >> okay well let's let's >> because there could be people doing in good faith and not do it and just say yeah you know that I'm going to paint in there it's my artist studio I'm not going to sleep there And um but in order to do that, I have to
spend $30,000 to upgrade my septic system. >> I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm going on, but >> Well, it sounds like we don't want to do a Shorelines article on it until we're squared away on >> Well, I you know, it might be. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if let's >> We're looking in the new year for that, but but it's it's a valid topic for discussion and I think be great for the work. >> Yeah. I mean we could you know we can talk more about it at the working you know. >> Yeah and everybody can come
maybe with some proposed ways of framing the issue that are don't make it feel like we're saying we don't trust you but say in you know what's a way to express it. >> Right. Right. Right. I don't mean that they would I mean it would be it could be interpreted that way because someone
could say >> so how do we how can we express it in a way that is >> right and or you know >> neutral >> puts conditions you know so you know condition in a way that >> is you know just discourage people from doing it and of course there is the
resale thing and all that you know so >> so I mean what I'm thinking about in terms of shorelines articles >> um is I could try to do something um by
like the second week in November regarding maybe the um the issue of the the SNAP benefits and all that with Linda. I can work a little bit with her on that. >> Okay. >> But it also comes right before Thanksgiving. So there may be a way for
me to put that in from a public health and a mental health perspective and supporting our community and >> Okay. So, um, I penciled olive, but you you you'll >> Well, I could do it with olive, too. >> Yeah. Okay, great. >> But we can work on that together and develop something.
>> I think that would be the first article we should have and later on I do. >> The most immediate um concern, >> right, >> for our community members. >> Okay. >> Um, right. And at some point we have to
start planning the household hazardous waste day which we have the date confirmed for the end of March but start planning that. Okay. Um um well we'll come actually we have time
until 4:30. Um um I can't I'm trying to remember the topics we were going to have for our working group meeting. So right now we have storm water um bedroom ADU. I think I want to put on the agenda um for
health workload potential strategies for managing with the um you know we're we're we're reaching the burst boom stage where we just don't have the capacity to handle workload and
where are ways we can um simplify so just have a strategy around that. When did you want to put this on? >> On the working meeting. >> When's that the third? >> Yeah, by the third. I mean, I think we just need to start talking about that. Um and and I know we need to um advocate
for part-time clerk at town meeting or through with Fincom and so on, but um but just um look looking at trying to be proactive and anticipating changes in personnel and um workload that we we
can't continue the way we're going. So, um ideas like restricting um uh perk appointments um um looking at either any discretionary activities things where we can
streamline or reduce um you know and we can't maybe provide the level of service that we have been um if we don't have the staff to support it. So, as I when I spoke with you earlier, it's not just that, it's all of that,
but um strategically, we have to prepare for down the road >> in the short term down the road, like you know, in the near future if somebody were to retire and we don't have somebody that had the opportunity to kind of learn the ropes.
Um, who I just it won't be fun. I don't even know what how to characterize what would happen. So, um >> meltdown. >> Yeah, it would it would be a complete meltdown and um you know, I'm just trying to think ahead as I should and
and be be ready for it. But I completely understand budgets and all of this. Believe me, I do. But I'm also tasked with, you know, running all these departments and I've got to run them and make sure they function. And this is what it takes. This is what it's going to take. You
know, >> that's why I think we need to start having that discussion amongst ourselves about um you know what can we and and prepare you know let folks know this is sort of what
we're facing um and and get some input from others as well. So um okay uh so we have storm water bedroom ADU border health strategy reading workload um
I don't think we're ready to about well range, right? >> Uh no. >> Okay, that's a springtime thing. Uh anything else we want? >> We've got a couple to work on. So, >> okay. >> Um
we can have board member updates in that um agenda, too, in case anything else. All right. Um, I'll work with you and Nancy to get that agenda >> filled up >> for next week. Okay. Anything else? All
right. Do we have anything? Um, actually, so um, anything for unanticipated? >> Okay. Um, is there a Mr. Ferrer here? >> Hello, Mr. Ferrer. Um, okay. Um, I'm
going to call a 4:30 public hearing for a large pickery permit application submitted by Carlos Ferrero to be upgraded to 85 road. Um, you feel free to come forward. Uh you can sit at the table and um
we have received [Music] um your application and we also have um Joe Reese here who did the inspection and we have his report. Just get to the
um do we have any butters here? So um we're going to do the initial review and um discussion and then we'll open it up for a broader conversation. Um so um why don't you describe uh just
tell us a little bit about your um operation and and what you're looking to get as a permit. >> Well, I always had a for I always had a commercial for four >> a small I had it since the ' 90s. >> I always had it. Mhm. >> Well, they had babies. I mean, my
animals are always locked in cement blocks. Mr. Reese saw it up >> and they get clean just about every day. And I wash at least once or twice a week. And the manure goes to a big pile. Ronnie P comes and gets it. But I put wood right over so it buffs. You
can't even smell it coming out of my place. I mean, that's only reason this happened because one of my females broke the gate. the little ones to call for. We and she brought them all back by herself. We looked for them. She brought them all back. It was amazing. I looked for my neighbors
behind me, John, on his property for 3 hours. If they would have went there, it would never have got them back. 72 back there. I would never have got them back, you know. So, >> it was amazing. They came back by themselves. >> Pigs are very smart. >> I couldn't believe it. >> Pigs are very smart.
>> Good food, huh? >> I couldn't believe it. And my feed it's on the a reefer box. All my hay it's on a box truck and nothing gets magnets at all. And I cook the feed for the animal. I get potatoes
from Simpson's farm and I got a big tank outside when it's full. I cook everything is cooked for them. Nothing is really raw on the door. >> Great. Okay. Thank you. And you have received a copy of the pigory regulations. I've probably had them before but um so you understand the
requirements. Um, and it's you sound like you have good management practices there. Um, okay. And we received a we have a um copy of the report from Joe um who gave us a um detailed um
>> site visit report that's here in the package. Um it's um >> Oh. Okay. >> So, um showing showing the um in more detail
the the sheltered area the various pens one two three and four. Um um >> those blocks are 2 ft wide by 6 ft long that high. >> The cement blocks they big big cement blocks. >> Yep. Okay. Um >> they don't stay on the rain. They sleep
inside the houses. >> Okay. covered up. >> Um my understanding is this um the pigs getting loose was the first complaint we've had in eight years. Um so um and
obviously you don't want that to happen again. So be >> sure I could have done that. >> Make sure the gate is stays closed. Um and um based on the report from Joe um
he's available for questions. Um uh you describe that as you described that the fee is kept in a box freezer manure management plan in place. Um the area is clean with no signs of rodent
activity or no odor. Um current pig population three adult female pigs. Um female one is still feeding nine piglets which should be removed. Have they been removed yet? >> What is it? >> The the um female with nine piglets expect to be removed by it.
>> No, but most of them were already gone. >> Already gone. Okay. >> They already have one for left. >> Okay. And female number two has six newborn piglets that are six weeks old and female three no piglets. Okay. Um,
and what else? Um, I've reviewed all the, um, distances as required in the regulation. Um, well, away from the well, other um, structures, roadway, uh, and wetland resource areas um, all
more than the required distances. Um, don't see anything else to comment on. Anything, Matt, that you want to add? >> All right. No, there's nothing I want to add. This is um, you know, as far as pigory lodge pigory pigory sites go.
It's, you know, it's really good, wellkept, maintained, and so I don't have anything more to add. >> Okay. We don't have any butters here. We do have the one. >> Um, okay. Um, any questions or comments
from the board to either Mr. Ferrer or to our agent Joe Reese? >> No. >> Okay. We had the regulations in our packets. A chance to review that. Did you have anything? >> No. Um
uh it it sounds like um from what Matt and Joe reported that um structurally it meets all the um setback requirements and um you know criteria for manure
management and um so that gives me a level of confidence about it and yeah. >> All right. Thank you. and I'll open it up to the floor and um please just uh go to the mic and uh state your name for
the record. >> John Piggy McIntyre. >> No, John McIntyre Egg Berry Properties a butter 907 and 97 forge wrote. >> Okay. And what do you uh Do you have any
concerns you wanted? >> Oh, well, I just wanted to learn more about it. Uh, what I don't know what what are the setbacks >> for a budding property and wetlands? >> Well, no.
Right. >> So, it says, >> how about a budding property and wetlands? It says no pig shall be kept less than 100 ft from the nearest dwelling house on any abuing property.
So it's not a property line distance. It's your house from the >> y >> and uh that all disposal areas which I imagine be where the manure is stored is um required to be 500 ft from an abuing
dwelling. A budding dweller meaning house >> the house itself right. >> What about wetlands? >> Um that is 150 ft of any public or private way. No that's not it. >> Yeah it's no pigory located or
maintained. So that part of it is within 100 ft of a wetland resource area without prior approval of the conport conservation commission. So, um >> can't tell from the map, but it didn't >> 100 ft from any well, 250 ft from the
high water mark of any drinking water supply. >> Yeah. No, I was more concerned about wetlands. >> Yeah. >> Um 250T setback from the Westport River or its triutarium specific to wetlands. Um >> yeah, it's the one that's 100 ft.
>> Oh, okay. >> It's uh Yeah. Unless so if if it was within 100 ft then you'd have to come to the conservation commission to get approval. Um because 100 foot is what's called the buffer zone if you're
not in the >> right >> in the >> that's the only question I have. I'm pretty sure >> yeah but it seems like it's it doesn't seem like there's any wetland resource area. You're just looking at the overview of the map.
Well, I'm having the property 72 acres surveyed right now. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And they're almost complete with the survey >> and uh just from the early indications I have, part of my property in that area is wet.
>> Mhm. >> So, I I I just didn't know what the regular I'm not opposed to his operation. >> Okay. Okay. But the people that may be purchasing the land for development, >> okay, >> question
the wetlands, >> right? Um well, of course, they couldn't do any development within wetlands. So, um if there's wetlands towards that project, um >> Right. But they're >> Yeah, they have a buffer zone, right? Yeah. But I I I don't know where that
falls right now. I think it falls pretty Okay. >> Close to the property line, but I don't want to make a big deal of it. >> Yeah. Um when I did I looked on the GIS map just to try and get a sense of resource areas and there's some wetlands on the um I believe it's a like a cell
tower property on the other side of >> Well, there's one on Carlos's property and then there's one. >> Um so, but um and I you can take a look at it here. Um, so I I pulled up this is what shows as
wetlands. It didn't show any wetlands. It looked like there was a stream sort of I didn't print the whole thing, but a stream like maybe in here somewhere like a small stream. Um, but if you go on the Have you been on the town GIS website?
>> Yeah. And it's not totally accurate according to what the surveyors are saying. So back back in here is wet. >> Okay. >> I think right Carlos that's probably wet here. >> It's wet. >> It's wet in here. >> Not on my property. Your property is all
wet. >> Well, right on the corner of your property, >> but my property wet. >> Okay. Well, um >> I I No, I don't I don't know. I don't know if your property is wet or not, but I'm having wetlands and survey done
>> right now. Okay. Um uh well um I would say based on the information we have in front of us, the proposed pige permit operation is in compliance with our
um requirements. If it's within 100 ft of a wetland, they would have to go you would have to go to the conservation commission. So, um, if you establish that there's a wetland line, um, closer or, you know, within, um, less than 100
ft from >> Well, the figur is right here, right, Carlos? Right. >> The pig is at the back. The back. >> Yeah, that's a big The other one. >> Yeah, that's the >> way in the back. >> Yeah, right back.
>> Way in the back. >> So, this is where the pigory is. He located right here. You got the blueberry feed on my left going down. You got the pyro on the right. >> We got the screen that runs through. >> Well, it's not unusual.
I mean, maybe this is not necessary, but >> yeah, I have this question. >> Yeah. No, no, but it's not unusual for us to um issue a permit but make it subject to conservation approval, >> which often times means just running it
by the conservation agent who just is both personally familiar and also has the resources >> to to say, you know, yeah, this is fine. And just give it a check off without having to do any other process. And
that's like a formal, >> right? And the only reason I'm concerned is cuz I do have a an interested party in all of the land. >> Mhm. >> And if they come back on this wetlands and survey thing that is done and say,
"Hey, this is a problem for me." What what is my recourse? >> Um, not that I'm I'm not against I'm not against this at all. Um uh if there are
wetlands here that is that is restrictive to their ability to to develop the property. I think that's the more from a development perspective is the more important issue. >> No, I think it's smell. >> Oh, okay. If the smell concern is we've
gotten a report that there is has been no >> I've never smelled anything. I'm just talking about these people that I've been in negotiations with for her. They've brought up these questions. >> Okay.
>> So, I felt I had to address them. >> Let me give you this my copy of the report and you can share that with them. they can see the agent's report and his findings and so that might >> that might eliminate it right >> might provide some
>> well you know and so I was going to say what I would be saying but you know as it is a right to farm community and the pig farm was here first then we'd be saying to tell them well our regulations say don't put a house within
400 ft of the pigory >> you know it's on it's on the developer now >> because >> well >> you know what if he's planning to put a house there >> you know then then he well I I I I
shouldn't say like this but what I'm saying is that under the rules of the right to farm community you know if someone decides to put a house 100 feet from a pig farm and then complain about the odor
They've got a very steep hill to climb to put the responsibility on the farmer. It's >> what you expect. you're in 100 ft of an operation that generates odor whether you're putting manure on your fields or
what have so >> um however I think in this case given the manure management plan that the manure is being out weekly that the agent found no odor no evidence of rodents or anything else that it's a
very clean operation that hopefully will alleviate their concerns if they have further concerns they can um you communicate with the board of health or the conservation commission. Um what can is there any recourse once the permit's
given if they do >> if they have a legitimate complaint they can file a complaint but it it sounds to me like >> that if we would have to go out and investigate. Do we all of a sudden notice odor or
other problems that are indicate that it's not in compliance with noticed I have not noticed any of those concerns. I'm just always >> I just don't want this to blow up my freaking sale. >> No, no, I I I
>> You been You've been next to the pigs. >> I've been next to the renewal. >> Yeah. You never gave me one. >> Yeah. >> I was hoping they went to my property and never came back. >> They would have stood there. The coyotes would eat them all. Um I I I understand
that you're >> I'm trying to be as cordial but yet protect >> right. So share feel free to share that with a with a prospective buyer. Um um I think what based on what I'm hearing
here today is that the proposed pig the pigory permit um uh should be issued because it's in compliance with our regulation. and he um has demonstrated very good um management practices. Um
I can't project what will happen in the future. Um but hopefully the information we've shared um will be um uh you know helpful to the prospective buyer. Um, but that's not
that um I think we need to to make our decision based on the information presented here today. I appreciate your input and um the concerns you know you're raising on behalf of the potential buyer. Um my recommendation
would be to um uh grant the permit um with subject to a review by the informal review by the conservation commission and if they determine that it needs a you know um an RDA or something. I don't know what it would be but um um that
that could >> I I don't really think that's necessary. If you just grant it, I think we'll be okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. I don't need further >> work for you guys or stress on my hand Carlos,
>> okay? >> Because I don't know how he has three female pigs. He keeps getting babies. >> I don't he had a single mother of pigs since the 1990s when Henry was there. Henry was there.
>> Must have a war somewhere. Um anyways, otherwise very very birth there or something. I don't know. Um, okay. Uh, any other questions from the board? Any other interesting parties?
If not, I would accept a motion. So, I move that we approve the permit um for a large pigory um uh for 85 Forge Road for Mr. Ferrer. >> Second. >> Motion made has been made and seconded
to grant the large pigory permit at 85 Forge Road. All in favor? >> I That's unan. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. >> You owe me a ticket. >> Hey, hey, wait, wait, wait. >> All righty. Thanks, Joe.
>> Okay. Um on to our 540 um excuse me, 440 um variance hearing request. Uh, that's not where Glen Potter representing Sarah Hson at 16
36 Drift Road for one-bedroom repair with a quick four infiltrator. >> Gentlemen, >> 17,434 ft. Mr. Potter, please. One part of here for Sarah Hinsson 1636 W
Drift Road down at Abodine Abodine Shores. Anyway, I was in here last fall trying to get a permit for a well u because this home shares the well across the street. um M Mrs. Henson's
mother owned the house across the street and also this cottage. So what happened is they sold the mother sold the house and uh the deal was in the sale that they drilled their own well on the cottage side of the road and and get get
off another home's water supply. So the question came up as to what was there for a suffic and it is a beehive title five was done. It's a beehive and some in the water table. So I went down and did a percolation test
and uh come up with a design for the septic system. As you see it's a onebedroom cottage but we had a design for two. And I placed the well where I placed it. And I have a Did you get that drawing? I have
>> I did. I don't know know what it means, but >> Well, what it means is the the pink line pink line is 100 ft from the proposed well. The proposed well is going to end up being
83 ft from the proposed beach area. And I spoke to Matt talking about trying to move this thing. I am just I'm 50 55 ft I believe from the 54 ft from the wetlands point at the closest point and
the dash line on the plan is the resultant 50 foot buffer zone. Uh that pink line is going that's 100 foot from the well. Uh, I can back it off to the toward the street and maybe pick up like
80 87 ft or 88 ft, but I try moving it to the left and to the right and it it always intersects. That leads to fail. I'm trying to keep it 10 ft off the property line. And if I try to avoid that 100 foot radius line as I move to
the northeast, I got no room. And I have no room at all. >> Can you do um >> I can move at 5 ft closer to the wetlands, but I don't it's not going to get me 100 ft away. >> And I have to worry about the gentleman
next door. His septic system. I forget who it is. Anyway, I repaired that system many years ago and his well within 100t of his system. It's right down right off the the ankle point in that line down there.
Well, you know, of course, that new wells can't be within 100 ft. So, >> what's a replacement? It's a replacement well. It's a replacement well. The house had no well. >> Well, >> it's not on new construction. >> No, but it's a new well. Um, and I don't
think the regulation >> is a title five, right? >> Title five. >> I don't see why if the system can be grabbed out, why can't it? because it's not the well wasn't there. It's not It's a new well
title where I think it just says Noel can be installed installed with exactly what the language is language >> is 15029 >> 02929
violation of title five for any person to construct or install a water supply well closer to a system component than the relevant setbacks. >> So >> yet when we repair a system we get waivers to be within 100 ft of a
wall. >> Yeah. >> For an existing system. This is not an existing well >> for existing well. >> Well the existing wells across the street. It's interesting way of thinking about it, >> huh? >> And it's 100 ft away. >> You can't people don't see the property
don't want to use that one. >> And that was the agreement these people made about knowing anything about this. >> Um, >> can can I ask a question? >> So, we talked earlier about maybe spinning the system and moving it closer
to the wetlands. Can that be done? less than 50 ft. >> Yeah. Because can the board issue a uh an upgrade approval easier if it was closer to the wetlands rather than the 100 ft set back to the well?
>> Well, the that would require title five variance. I don't know if we the 50 ft >> if it was less than 50 ft from the wetland. That's also a title five variance or LUA. Is it LUA?
>> 50 ft. >> Title five says 50 ft. That's what the subject system is. >> So it's in the same boat as the 100 ft. >> I think you can >> what? >> I think you can you can wave it. >> Yes. >> I mean it's in in 405. Yeah, you can
wait. You can do you can do a you can do a variance, but I think it >> because it it doesn't really distinguish between new or replacement. It just says it's a violation of, you know, Title 5 for any person to construct or install a
water supply well closer to a system component than the relevant setbacks, you know, in the design section. But I would say um >> how can you do that on a substandard watch?
>> Well, you can do dite. Um that would be one way to provide. >> Well, that would be less than less than 100 ft. So, you install a dite. >> Yeah. Um >> that doesn't make everything go away. >> I know. Well, >> no.
>> No. Better. >> Well, it's like the Yeah, >> it's right on the river. like the variance harder. >> Um >> well that's why we don't want to get closer than 50. >> Yeah. And is is there any um
>> Why am I blanking on? Um the technology that you can um make that leechfield smaller. >> Yeah. Get rid of the two bedroom the two bedroom restrictions. I could cut that thing in half
then slide it down maybe. Mhm. >> They give you all these rules, but >> yeah. >> Don't you get a leech field reduction for a repair? Um like up to 50% on some of the different uh technologies. >> Yeah, you put D9 in, you get 50% reduction. >> So that would shrink it.
>> I've already got I got I got a 30% reduction using the quick board. D will make it work because it was this is a summer card should be a summer not say it's always going to be that these people were up here like for the month
of July and that was it. They're gone. They're in South Carolina. >> So how's that Dite going to work? They will work someday if it's fully occupied. They kind of built that. This is really this is really a workable cottage.
If anybody wants to live here just like Tom did next door, he's going to have to go up above the flood plane or 14 ft above the ground the whole nine yards. >> If that's the only way they can make it work, there's nothing I can do about it. >> Well, that would be one way to to bring
it into >> then. I'm not sure have to look at it to see. Well, then I perhaps could go within 50 ft of one for the D. I'm leaning that way. Um, it is right on the river. I I understand your concerns
about um I don't know if we can if waiting that I mean the two bedroom minimum. Can we do that? >> Uh, no. I would um >> go ahead.
>> I have to read through it all. It's kind of a long section 405, but uh in 405, you know, you might be able to reduce the system location setbacks from the bordering vegetated wetlands. So, might be a better option in in protecting the
well um to push the system closer that way to maybe get the 100 ft. If you in addition moving the well back towards the property line a little bit, you might get squeeze out that 100 ft. And if you squeeze out the 100 feet, would you say Dina would not be
necessary or what? What are you saying? >> I'm just saying that was just simply saying you could possibly get to 100 ft. >> So you're 13 ft off. You can only get three feet there, maybe. So >> or can we do
>> is is is does is the gradient of the site have any effect on it? You know would well be upgradient. >> There will be upgraded not by much but it would be >> so that's also a factor in favor of the variance.
>> You can see I got six six up by the house and five and three. Okay. Oh, yeah. >> The room's probably around. >> Mhm. >> It would be >> and and it's Yeah. And it's really only,
you know, in terms of whatever the cone of influence is, you really only have one bedroom, >> right? >> Uh, you know, drawing in there. So we don't have a lot of Yeah. So
I don't know if I can take the infiltrator deduction reduction and the dite the same time. >> I think you can. You >> can. >> Yeah. Because it's wet. It would be to wetlands. Yeah. >> So well it's going to be awful close to
you. My my fear is is that where I did the quick test, it's solid ground, but if you look down toward the river, you can see a change in the grass. I think it was filled in marginal time. >> I'm not crazy about that's why the
fragies are gone there. And the gentleman next door has the same issue as a wall all the way down to the road. I thought >> I'm I'm suspect of it, but you know, make it work somehow. >> Well, then maybe Dight's the way to go.
>> Yeah, but I don't want to make crap the system. I got I did a uh Civ analysis on this and it's a bold bank on gravel. I came out with five minute per inch by civ and you don't see too many civ with that
>> flow rate and I use the worst category one loading rate 74. I'll see what I can do. I don't know what to tell you. The only All they're trying to do is
remedy a situation. Maybe they made their hardship by saying they put a well in. But I think if I own a house across the street, I wouldn't really want to be responsible for someone living in the car. They draw on the well. It's a shared well.
>> Yeah. It's no longer family. I I get that. >> That's not >> We didn't create that, aren't you? But I understand I understand that >> the D9's not going to work there because it's it's just seasonal.
If that makes it look good, that's not a problem. And maybe someday it'll be here. >> Any other ideas? >> This is an area for bottomless sand filter. Would that shrink? >> You can put a bottle of sand filter in there. No problem. Just make it a $50,000 system.
>> That's generally the issue is it gets pricey. >> It gets pricey. You have to use an advantag system with a sink on the sand filter. And I mean people pay $50,000 for that. >> I don't like it. Well, I think if if we go right go back
to treating it in the full variance context um you know and you're upgrading and you've reduced the size of the leech field as much as you can you know that I don't think I would have and you also
have that kind of at least use small use now that I wouldn't feel like restraining the criteria to approve something like that. >> But we have to go through the variance process. >> Yeah. But then you'd have to go through the variance process. Yeah. But
>> well, I whatever you can do to squeeze a few feet here or there. Um >> safely. >> Um since you're going to have to come back for full variance process, I mean look at relook and see if you can squeeze a few feet here or there. When you say full variance, is does the
local upgrade approvals allow less to be less than 50 ft >> to the wetlands? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, it says that we the >> the in 405, like I said, it's a long section. I wanted to read it through again, but it does indicate on 105E, it
says an LUA would you could do a reduction of the system location setbacks from the BBW. So, >> um it's not a full battery, it says. No, no, no. This for the well. >> If you were going to go that route, it would be an LUA. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> If you moved it to closer Yes. So, it could be an LUA closer to the wetlands or full variance >> if it's less than 100 ft. >> Less than 100 ft from the well. >> Yes. I do what I got to do. >> Okay. Um
>> uh so >> when did you want to come back? >> About a month from now, maybe two. >> I think it's over a year already. >> All right, let me think. >> So next meeting we have is uh November
10th. Um and then we got the 24th which is just before Thanksgiving >> and then they'll be going into December after that. >> Let's make it the the Monday before Thanksgiving. >> Okay. The 24th. hour. Okay. Uh, so I
take a motion to continue to November 24th. I'm assuming 4:30. We don't have any other appointments. Do we know? >> So moved. >> Second. Motion made. Second to continue the project for 1636 W Drift Road to
November 24th at 4:30 p.m. >> Let me see what variances I need and I'll list them, but I'll give you a letter so that you know. Exactly. Great. Thank you. We have enough time for that. >> All in favor? >> I
>> I unanimous. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Potter. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay. on the 4:50 p.m. Hearing for Alons Koka for 80 different road uh Freedom Realy Group threebedroom with a full
tech chain bed on 8,000 85 ft representing uh KBM designs. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Hi, >> good evening. Uh my name is Alonso KBM Design Group. >> Oh, okay. That's I misunderstood. Freedom Realy is the
owner of 80. You are the the K of ABM >> KBM correct uh 102 state road in Dharma. Um so we are here I mean I'm here for the uh two uh local upgrades for the
reduction of uh setbacks from the foundation and the reduction of setback from operation from 14 ft to 9 ft and then reduction from foundation from 20 ft to 12 1/2 ft. Uh
we uh so I use the uh cultex to reduce the footprint to keep it as tight as I can. >> Mhm. >> The system uh is outside the uh uh the 100 foot radius for the existing wells that we a survey picked up during a survey. So we showing that one and u
that's the only area where the system fits well and unfortunately the site is tight. uh the existing sess was in the within the well radius so we completely get out of there. >> Okay. >> Uh I looked around moving it further up but the slopes slope down significantly
so it would make it even more of a challenge to move the system. So I believe that's like a uh the best location. There's no >> okay >> no other alternatives. >> Okay. And this is on a public water line. >> Correct. They have a the water line is
up to the left >> left left side of the property. There's a gas line on the right. And then um the reason why um the the breakout elevation relief is because there's a retaining wall next to the cemetery and the survey
they show elevation 143 kind of goes in and goes inside and then cheats out again toward the cemetery. So that's a pinch point over there. >> Okay. >> All right. I'll turn it to Matt. >> This is such a tight site. There's not a
lot you can do. So, um yeah, you know, we had some back and forth, but um this set of plans are good. I don't see any um any issues. >> Any questions from the board? >> No.
Um are we >> um I know that we approved the plans for 80 gig road and by freedom realy group dated 82525 um with the variance as described um of
12.5 ft from the SAS to the foundation wall um from the required 20 Um, and I say 20 ft or 20 in 12 in. Is it inches or feet?
It's inches. Can you say um and the reduction of um >> it's it's reduction of 15 ft. um uh from the horizontal separation between the
SAS and the site slope um uh to 9 ft um from 15 is required with the following conditions hold harmless agreement and a three-bedroom deep restriction.
>> Yeah, that's right. So, I'll second that motion. Um motion made and seconded to approve the project at 80 Gford Road um with uh for with those variances and um local approvals and those conditions we
don't need congregate has it >> um it has been >> okay um all in favor >> I know thank you thank you very much >> you too all Great. Thank you everyone. Oh, we'll
do a motion to adjourn. >> We ready? >> So, I move that we adjourn this meeting at 5:11 p.m. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> That's unanimous. Unanimous. Thank you.