##VIDEO ID:VH_w72fRUmM## it's 4:00 so we'll ask for Rise of the pledge allegiance plge alance flag United States of America stands Nation indivisible Justice for All welcome everybody to the capital Improvement planning committee we're now in full swing having had our first meeting couple of weeks ago uh just to look over the agendas we will have uh the police department and their request and the fire department then the Westbard Community Schools the Council on Aging and information technology I don't know is anybody here from Information Technology J knows all about that anyway approv minutes and then I did promise uh Melissa that we would talk about the next meeting um Mico and I understand she will be here uh but she had a request to talk about it because this uh Thursday doesn't work well for her but I know we've had this for some time but I I'm flexible but I don't know about the rest of you and your schedules but anyway we'll talk about that anyway so um why don't we take this just out of order to get it out of the way is the approval of the minutes this is the these are the minutes of November 21st are they preferred by okay by Mr Hartnett who does the exemplary job on minutes uh among other things make a motion to approve second motion maid and seconded any discussion on these minutes all in favor say I I I I motion carries unanimously let me I'm doing the minutes today so I've got to okay I can write them down if you want oh I got to get back into the swing of things it's easy once you get kind of in the groove all right so that's out of the way and uh when we proceed right into the agenda and the first presentation is from Police Department everyone Chief good to see you good afternoon afternoon to be seen do you all have copies here I do yes okay and I have there's another packet there if you need one well the extra one I'll take it because I not thank you well Chief you go you can go right ahead and lead us into discussion which needs are for which requests would you like to go over first it makes no difference s um the Cruisers are fine uh last year or I should say this fiscal year we received two Cruisers in capital Improvement um I believe historically it used to be 323 which means three request for three Cruisers this year mhm um if you want to just turn to the third page I believe it will show that we decommissioned three Cruisers in yellow the one in blue um we had a total loss of a cruiser versus a deer which I believe many people have had that this year my fa luckily luckily we were able to get full value for that through our insurance um I anticipate um the commissioning three Cruisers next year all with well over 100,000 miles um the request is for um a fully equipped Dodge Charger um we did explore the idea of maybe going to a hybrid M however the hybrids are more expensive I spoken to a local Chief um they've had some issues with the hybrids more so than gas operated ones and the other reason is last year we this year fiscal year we have Dodge hybrids and we want to be consistent with the cruises that we get I see you have the appendix with the mileage on it yes and which ones are the ones being the red ones the high the ones in yellow are the ones that we would look at to decommission okay um the ones in red are the ones that we decommission this year and the one in blue is the one um that was collided with a deer you really put the miles on them we do it's a it's a big community so we do put the miles on them lot of lot lot of miles well when we talk about the cruises it's it's pretty easy to talk about because we know what they are we know you need them numbers speak for themselves I don't think we want to take them to 200,000 miles uh so this reest is one we're familiar with and uh I'll open it up for discussion among the members do you have any questions not on the cruises quick question you got 29 not call it in yes how many you use them for Reserve offices too or well those are from the take-home Cruisers that we have as well as um the backup cars that we use for details that reserves come in when they request a cruiser uh the utility company comes in and request a cruiser for detail okay they're getting more expensive I guess they are I mean it's not cheap to fully equip um a marked Cruiser what's your timeline how long does it take to get them once uh it'll be approved at town meeting May when we will be so we paid for this year and this fiscal year will be receipt of the two Cruisers in the next couple weeks it's from last year right from the money that we paid out in this July yes this fiscal year yeah this fiscal year okay you had a memoral here that told us all about it reminded us that we have 147 miles paved roads in this town well that's from the yes that's from the the next request yeah okay any further comments on this request okay we're pretty clear on that and you can move right along so next request I spearheaded along with Chief Baldwin it's both uh he has the we have the support of him as well um we're looking to see if we can uh get a tractor a multi-purpose tractor for uh both the parking lots and parking areas of the police and fire department um basically we for smaller storms we traditionally handle our own um plowing in a small cabota mhm um we push the snow however we have to call back the highway department with a front end loader to push the snow over the fence um sometimes in the bigger storms we need the we need the highway department all the time um we have cruises coming in and out fire op coming in out we have people showing up so the parking lots and the entrance need to be maintained uh when there's a West Wind after a storm we tend to get snow drifts along with the fire department so we're calling back to fire department uh Highway Department as well um so basically I can just go over each image if it's easier for everybody walk everybody through it so image a that's where the snow gets pushed to as you can see it's just a small area that's when after a storm we uh contact the highway department asked for a front end loader to push the snow over this is the image right here yeah we don't have a for some reason no way that's okay I see where you are so as you can see the snow goes there we have to get a front and loader from the highway department to push the snow over the fence um image 1A this is just the aerial vantage point of it um image B is the Kabota that we currently use um with a small plow that we can do for only for small storms but again we have to call the highway department for the entrance portion of it as well um image C is the front entrance and sallyport area why I brought this in was because the bigger I guess you say apparatus that the uh High rate Department uses it's tough to negotiate within within this area where a smaller tractor type will be easier to push the snow and move it away um image D is the parking lot um again it's tough for the highway department to come in and negotiate in that area um there were a lot of documents that were submitted with these requests so I kind of shortened it saing on money yeah uh image image e is just showing the whole complex as to what needs to be maintained um image E2 is also the same image um and E3 is also same the reason why it's not only multipurpose not only for snow but this is also to maintain our lawn both the Fire and Police Department have been you know we would been responsible maintaining our own lawn so by having a tractor with a lawn mower deck on it it would save time rather than us having a zero turn mower to negotiate um as well as um um a spreader for the winter with sand so you know no one will slip and fall in the parking lot I always ask this in terms of priorities what would be the priorities he would would be that or the the police cruisers uh the police cruisers would be more of a priority than than this tractor okay questions comments from the committee this might be for the fire CH we'd purchased a um pickup truck with a plow last year with oper funds to yes plow yeah so the pickup truck of the plow is actually very useful to plow us a little bit more plow correctly efficiently the issue becomes we can't lift the snow so even when we plow especially along hibur road to the corners which is a lot of times the SN accumulates Highway has to then come back pick up that snow carry another location it's a it's a actually a hazard for police fire visitors leaving and entering H road because victed by snow again talking about you know storms that are significant and the he's exactly right with the cemetery the amount of snow that blows out of that cemetery and into the parcking lot is unbelievable not only do we have to plow constantly throughout the duration of the storm even when the St is done we find ourselves PL again so it's it's in terms of the pl that we got it's an excellent addition really cut down the time the damage to the lawn Etc but it has no mechanism for us to the can't pick up the move push that's really the it's a multi request we can maintain the lawn Etc that was something Highway Department used to do they don't have sta anymore we've taken that over to cut station one lawn is 5S 5 hours to cut so we're hoping to reduce some of that some of that time the addition ofer would what would you be doing with this one this is your old one correct would no we'd be keeping it that would be for the smaller the smaller are the smalls to clean up we need something you know when we move cruises around we need something smaller to just push it to push around yep the small area yep okay just making sure and also that's multi-purposes when it's not on the plow we're using that for um Pine Hill the for the fair grounds for the fair you know we've had it before where Hunters have fall out of a tree okay yes that makes sense okay okay any further questions or comments on the Chief's Chief dun's material here it's not I think we we've got it and ready to put it on the list and see where how it shapes up sure absolutely among the others so I appreciate the committee's time thank you thank you Chief thank you you well okay next is the fire department bald here others see you Chief as well I'm going to be short and sweet this year change face for me right but I saw in Big B letters I said 4:30 school so I said all right they're sending me a message um that's okay that's fine honestly a lot of it's repeats you guys have most everybody in the committee has been here before so you probably already reversed on some of our request yeah uh as I did State I I did um break it down into categories operations and Facilities um but before I do begin I I do want to thank the committee and the taxpayers for the brush truck that was awarded to us uh we just signed the contract recently we spent a couple months putting together what myself and the deputy believes is a is an excellent uh truck uh we went through multiple vendors until we really honed in on the right one the right price and you're looking at a 25 30-year return on investment for $268,000 um so um thanks again for your support on that it's it's it's it's really needed and we just saw it this past uh Rush season or unexpected brush season that we don't normally experience so we appreciate that um we did put in a grant request to afg which I've stated numerous times is extremely competitive uh for the brush for the fire engine which is prior number one replace engine five uh we did not get it um I spoke with FEA directly they encourage us to apply again however even though we think we're in tough shape there are other departments Nationwide trying to replace vehicles at are 40 and 50 years old very rural communities communities that have taken melt trucks and turn them into tanker truck so we don't Stack Up that great in terms of that we will apply again this year and just do our due diligence and hopefully but um there's a $70 million reduction in the afg funding that's available this year so it went from 360 to 290 making it even hotter um Nationwide to acquire some of these afg grants so but we will try uh again we'll just um put forth our our number one uh priority is the replace engine number five it's a 1994 engine it was originally in Foxboro moved to for blew the motor Westport rebuilt it took custody of it it's reached its end of life has well over I think 5,000 hours um inadequate space most of the safety lighting does not work on it anymore um when Engine three or engine four which are newer trucks go out of service even for simple oil change which on those trucks you know you don't go to Jiffy Lube it takes about a day day and a half we're now shifting equipment and trying to squeeze it into much a vehicle that just really doesn't have the space that we require nowadays our our engines are stru on one side and heavy rescue on the other heavy rescue meaning motor vehicle crash jaws of life vehicle extrication Etc so we're really packing a lot of equipment onto these trucks and spaces are very important Engine 5 does not provide that space um the unfortunate part of the conversation is the price of $950,000 um I realized it's a big ask I I did talk to Mr hartnet about was this the right form to present it wanted me to to get it on the list and just put it out there anyway I did speak with a couple other departments and how they how they plan and budget for this um a couple of ideas that were thrown my way I know last year we talked about Dartmouth completely different structure of government and how they can allocate funds um we can't really follow their motto but I will say this a fire engine right now is taking two to three years to build payment is due upon delivery one suggestion and I know we can't predict the future and as to what free cash funds you'll have next year and the year after but is to break up the payment into fragments 300,000 one year 300,000 the next maybe 450 450 again I know these are Big asks uh dollarwise I can't control that um do they they don't ask for a down pay like a 300,000 up front no they will take a prepayment penalty pre not a penalty they will take a prepayment which I believe helps in the long run but you do not have to pay the balance in full until you take delivery that makes sense this options you know I I I believe going to the floor town meeting and asking for a million dollars for a fir truck you know is going to be could be a tough sell it's a big dollar amount um but again needed 25 30 years uh return on these vles um and truthfully I'll say it puts us in excellent position we have a 14 and an 18 right now 20 years average life of service 25 you start to put it in reserve 30 it's not a it's not a written standard but is a recommendation of the National Fire Protection Agency 30 years you retire from service we're at 31 by the time new truck even comes in we're 33 34 something happens to somebody on the end of one of those hose lines we got some questions to answer so it it's a priority um and the great thing I think is is you're not looking we're not coming back asking for a fire engine for we literally 20 years with our 14 you know so plenty of time to plan plenty of time to prepare um so you know again that that's our number one priority it's it's necessary um Engine 4 was in an accident not our fault it was T-boned by another vehicle on Route 6 it was out of service for four five months and we were running in this insufficient backup truck that's you know older than half the guys in my department now you know for for four or five months you know so it's it's needed it's necessary and I think the fact that it was a hand-me-down you know also speaks to the fact that we it's time for Westport to step up and and purchase its own vehicle um priority to again just the rescue boat we brought that up last year we again good relationship with the hob Master we do have a jet ski but as I've mentioned before it allows us to rescue a victim not multiple victims and while the hob Master you know has good control of the river the ponds are always a concern for us um there's no dock vessels there so a boat would be an asset um replace car 5 so that's a 2010 it was former Chief pelleter of the police department's vehicle um it is used as our training car and a for our westbr haes program we were told by the robs Autocare that the frame is in really tough shape and you have to do some welding work we we're kind of debating doing that but it's a $3,000 expense and both me and the deputy were not Believers of throwing money at you know just throwing money down the drain so we what we would like to do is replace that car we would take the five prevention off as a car which use daily Monday through Friday do an inspections throughout Town move that into the training car's position and then replace the foo car um again I think it's a great plan he's on the road generating revenue for the town 5 days a week uh he's also another asset is a paramedic So he responds to building fires motor vehicle crashes medical calls um and that would we get we get 10 15 years 20 years out of some Vehicles so again long-term investment um I cannot tell you exactly what type of vehicle we would get same page was uh done we're looking at some hybrids part of me also thinks maybe a pickup truck might be a good option because it's for our line of work it's very versatile throwing hose equipment trailering things in the back but jet ski uh I think it might be it might be a better option for us um so that's we're just throwing that out there I contacted a couple of vendors and you know you're looking at fully outfitted radios lights $775,000 price tag uh as I think we've proven we've always do what we can to get below that number um so we would obviously work very hard towards coming in at less than that the fourth option which I was really hoping was going to be um an option through the afg uh which is no longer a priority on their list is a Cascade system uh the one at station one was put in place when station one was built so that one's 16 years old and the one at Station 2 is give or take four or five years older than that so about 20 years old so a Cascade system is a air compressor that fills our Scot bottles with clean breathable air for our firefighters um they're getting near replacement time the one at station two if it fails it's out of service we have to have this equipment if we cannot fill our Scott packs we are essentially out of service okay um the equipment at at Station 2 the motherboard is what they keep referring to they keep saying Chief once once that goes you're done this this system's out of service uh of course with every new system that come out with there's more safety aspects you you are filling pressure you know pressurized tanks 4500 PSI and a cylinder this big has to be contained Etc so um there's some safety mechanisms I won't I will say that what we do have now is a safe system we're not operating an unsafe system we just operating a system that is is uh rapidly approaching its end of life um I I did put in for two I that's something that we could also consider staggering maybe you do station two one year following you you know or maybe give would take maybe a few years you replace the one at station one which is a newer one but station two if the committee you was to discuss this option and say you know we'd like we we understand the validity to it but two is kind of a big ass I would just I would one for station two would would be would be great but I think we're we're approaching that end of life and that cost would be uh it's roughly 75 a piece um again these are the numbers that you get from vend is when you call up and say give me a quote some of this stuff can be Whitted down you're not going to see you know 50 Grand taken off but you know you can Whittle down some of these prices if if that went out tomorrow how long would it take you to replace it you had the funds uh I don't know the answer to that but I will tell you that it doesn't sound after talking to these vendors it's not a yearlong process sound like it's pretty quick um so that's that's our operations part the facilities as you guys know we we maintain two buildings two Town own buildings one of them is new one of them is large one of them is old buil 1970 um still very functional for us and the number one thing and this this is a priority and the deputy chief is here today because he's kind of been working with um the fuel company I'll just let him speak briefly to it but we have a fuel tank at Station 2 that was put in I believe when Chief ma was here so we're maybe going back 20 years it's primarily used right now for the fire department however in times of storms blizzards and if these pumps go down it's an alternative um source for Highway and police U both I've spoken with both of them even schools could could jump into that if I don't know if they have their own pumps at the school system but um they could jump into that if they had to um police in in Highway definitely on board with the idea it would be a keyed system so we' have fobs we'd be able to track there'd be better accountability right now it's a padlock anybody can show up in the middle of the night cut a padlock and fill up their tank if they wanted to there's no security uh the the read out on the pumps are so old you we can't even track the amount of fuel we putting in the vehicles and the the more there's no spill protection there's no D spill protection um and DEP if you just want to just jump in and just explain what's happening with happening with the tank right now it's it's a BT tank it's a half diesel half um gasoline and what's happening now is I had GRS from defend come out earlier this year just to give us you know an estimate on the tank and analyze it to see what his thoughts were and right away that the tank is appreciated and the bladder that sits in between it's interstitial it's in between the core and the outside is filed and you can clearly see and what's happening is we're getting water that's seeping into that space and as it freezes it's starting to push the outer jacket or barrier away and now you can see you know evidence of of it leaking on the ground so it's definitely had its 10 life now y so we would we would definitely put that as a priority as far as facilities and we we view it as a townwide priority uh while the fire department would probably continue to maintain the maintenance of the system and ordering of the fuel um I also think even speaking which chve done when his Cruisers are in the North End they don't have to leave their patrol area to come South to fuel up they can just pop in there and fuel up same thing with the highway department they can pop in there fuel up if during a big storm they're plowing the North End instead of driving South wasting road miles wasting time wasting fuel so it it it's it's a it's it's a fire department request but I would say almost on behalf of the entire all Town departments that use fuel um and it's that is approaching again it's it's time um again uh replace windows and exterior trimit Station 2 um we've done a little bit what we can out of the operating budget the trim that was literally rotting off of the building of the garage doors for rescue 2 and engine 4 we replaced at the end of the fiscal year out of the operating budget um with PVC looks really nice hopefully never have to replace it again um if if we don't get any funding through the capital to we to replace windows and trim we will continue to sort of PC mail it um front door's in really tough shape windows again no security sash cords are broken latches are missing uh cracks in Sills cracks in Windows um you know trim again throughout the building rotting time they replace with with an ASAC or a or a PVC again you you use ASAC and PVC there's no painting there's no maintenance one and done um we did just paint the not the interior of the building and not a capital item but we're doing what we can to maintain the building make it livable for the members that live there 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 you know days a year um hot water heater at station one I put this on there you know we we walk around the station trying to just you know cover everything thing uh since me and the deputy got into opposition since January hot water heater is 16 years old it is a commercial hot water heater they are expected to get a little bit more years out of your residential hot water heater but 10 15 years it's time to start thinking about replacement um the last thing I want to do is walk downstairs and find a blown hot water heater at the fire station uh then that leads to bigger problems uh it's a 25 I was shocked I'll be honest $25,000 um price tag it's a asme hot water heater it must be a commercial standard uh it is 100 gallon hot water heater so it's large it's not your traditional um you know residential hot water heater obviously we use hot water day in and day out with the station cleaning the Decon our trucks Decon ourselves Fire Equipment Etc so um that's something that is just on the depuy's eyes and my eyes is something that we need to get ahead of before before it fails uh to be without hot water for even a day would would would actually complicate things at the station I'm going to be honest with you guys about number four station one exterior sighting that's way under that's way under budgeted the more I the more I get into this position and learn and discuss and talk and read meeting minutes and see meeting minutes about what you've done here with the trimor in this building 50,000 isn't going to touch it not even going to touch it um that was given to us by a by a private vendor and as I learned you know procurement rules and and prevailing wage um that's that's not even close but it's something that we need we need to look at if the committee wanted to entertain it at some point you know that's the other thing is getting vendors to come down you know find the time that want to come down and give you quotes sometimes it's a little hard um but it's something that we we really need to look at you know after speaking with um um Mr Val I'm still on the committee and just not here but you know he had mentioned a couple times that some of the building is beyond repair some of it eligable but the South End is in tough shape weather rain Sun just takes a beaten it's a it's a I believe a double dip shingle supposed to be a 30 a shingle you can already see wood stain is gone so what happens now is water's infiltrating and it just leads to other problems so you need need to stop it so it may be something that we you know if I know the committee meets several more times I can I can you know I submitted this and then the more I thought about I'm like that's not a right price I can try and get somebody to come down to try and tighten up that number and just email it out to you guys for for consideration even if it's just southide we say hey we start with the southide you know and then I think the other part of it though is you know you got to discuss do we really want to Main do we want to stick with wood I know they were trying to go for a certain look I understand that look I think it looks nice but here we see the result you put wood shingles on and walk away and now you're already talking about replacing 16 years later it doesn't make sense to me um but I can tighten up that number if the committee like just send a quick email um as you guys know we we always give a pretty detailed presentation it's in your packet I did talk to Paula Brown yesterday she said it was emailed out that's why I didn't bring handouts um but if anybody has any questions I'd be happy to answer them if not I will step aside for the next one one question on the sighting I don't know is that anything that um Diamond would consider doing they might might it is it's a lot of it's it's a lot of sighting it's a big job what about the windows and trim at station two so yeah that so I did reach out to Diamond I I will reach out again um so Diamond did the boiler project for us at Station 2 saved there a lot of money there because that again was another got a quote inflation kept ticking ticking ticking you know you sit here in no in the fall and then yeah on meeting and then and then time to go it's almost a year later right so Diamond helped out uh pretty significantly reducing costs took a little longer than we wanted to but we had some backup heat heating we have a Min splits from the old police station that are actually in the walls at Station 2 without those we would have kind of been in trouble but they they got us through it um I did touch a diamond I did put in a request for station 2's windows and trim I didn't hear back I'll do a followup um they seemed interested but I want to say they were they weren't able to tackle the project yet because they were still working at the cemetery so are they done there they done at the cemetery they're working up now with the um on sanid road with the American Legion oh okay well that's good okay so I can always reach out again yeah and just say hey can you get us in the queue you know I did actually if you stop by there and and talk to the instructor sometimes they have days where they they can't work there and they're looking for some alternative small projects but that's actually how we they kind of stopped in the fire station of 911 just to talk was and we started talking about the heating system and so we got a little bit of a report with there so that's a good idea so we'll we'll do that we'll do that the hot water heater I know it's the expense of the heater itself but again the installation of it I don't know if that's something they could help with or yeah I'll have to go back and look at the quote and see uh what the cost of the heater was versus the labor you know it's not as involved as the the boiler at Station 2 was an involved project um you know with the with the fuel um have you thought about talking to uh I know April's in and out but about getting possibly on the same system that they're on with the key fobs and everything it would come with the same system sharing everything yep from what I understand it would be the same exact system key fob tracked y yep uh information would be sent however that gets now you know from that pump to to their office it would be it would be the same exact system right and then we split all the the fu because right now the when you guys order fuel you pay for the fuel where the highway department when they order fuel we split it for everybody who uses it so police fire COA Highway everybody so we could do the same thing with station two when I when I suggested that we would ordering the fuel I wasn't I didn't want to place the burden of the fuel tanks on somebody else so my guys could go out and I must it must track I'm guessing the system must track how much fuel is in it so they probably know when they have to come like right now we have to call it's like a clock and we have to right right match it up with a chart and then you call and say we need 250 gallons but but you're right with a with a computerized system probably automatically call right and just like know yep if they deliver here they deliver there and just yeah so would it would be perfect um cuz they email me the bills so they deliver here I get the bill and I'm like oh hey we got a fuel delivery it's and it's needed it's definitely needed up there and again just uh I think I already spoke on it but totally support um Chief's done request for the tractor um I think it just it's offer a lot of uh you know options for us the other thing I was thinking numerous times we have to call the highway department to come out to Brush fires mulch piles that are burning to pull them apart we could actually do that ourselves now instead of pulling them out from their duties so it's not just maintenance of the building there there's actually other options as he was sitting there talking I thought of that it's happened more than once we've called highway to come out with a the front end loader usually after hours Etc we we'd be able to do that on our own we have we have uh members with hoisting licenses and and things like that work for potters and stuff so okay we would have qualified people and those that weren't qualified we would get qualified to to operate the machine correctly that is all any other questions B thank you for being here have a good evening keep the heat warmer here than I do at my house really I'm cold place has been cold lately I going to say yeah he's warm I'm [Laughter] cold okay we're moving right along that was a useful discussion to fire department and the police department do excellent jobs of pulling this material together which is extensive and we'll continue to review that in the context of the other requests so next on the agenda are is are the Westport Community Schools we have um addition to Melissa welcome Melissa we have sorry for my lateness four o' is really hard to get here jro and Tom auin everybody knows you I think but uh good afternoon good afternoon nice to see everyone nice to see you thank you thank you as you fit and we're just wonder how it feels Richard to sit there and not have enough money to meet all these uh Demands a lot of fun isn't it this is always not as much fun as thought it would be but maybe next year I can get somebody else to he the committee you know they can worry but well it's it's a townwide problem articulated in the capital 5year plan and we get into that we realize there's at least $50 million in the 5-year time Horizon and then we realized when the ink was dry it was probably more than that so I guess we're not alone a lot of other towns have problems like this I've talk to people they say yeah we're all kind of in the same boat M but uh well we do the best we can and we'll Soldier on as they say it so let us know what you want to talk about all right we know this has to do with I'll just uh run down the list and then we can get into some more detail there so uh the first item in the packet is uh networking system integration camera security locks and doors uh so this would affect all of our buildings uh locks and IDs in the Middle High School um cameras at the elementary school merging the surveillance systems in all the buildings also security uh for the for automatic doors in a foyer area at the macumber school that's the believe the only school right now without a a holding area in the building so in other words the front door you can just kind of walk against the building um so those are security requests there of that uh 235,000 UH 60 of that roughly is for uh the video system 20 of that is for the locks and ID scanners at the Middle High 55 is for the cameras at the elementary school and then the remainder is for the uh the last piece of the macumber school this is treated as one one package right so there's no cameras at the elementary school or the there are there are cameras there yeah just that they're not first of all there isn't enough of them and that uh they're not integrated with all the other schools the idea from a security perspective both from school uh but also Public Safety is to have them all integrated so they can be accessed the next item on our list uh is wait I'll just ask they have any comments on this item before it leaves our Consciousness I hope it won't no I think I'm good on that one you have a question I'm sorry no I think I'm good okay okay yeah sure uh the next item is AC installation uh part of that would also uh require some upgrades to the electrical system over at the elementary school so this is also as Mr Brew you point out we do have a capital plan uh for the town this is one of the items that are referenced on the capital plan the mcumber a similar project was uh there was some funds allocated there from the state this past year so that project is is uh two years so that that project is uh underway and this would be for the Elementary School portion of that so we're estimating that at about 700,000 if I may abely part of this has to do with the fact that uh there's two things going on it's a Confluence of things one obviously uh there's some type of climate change going on I don't want to get into you know why but clearly there's something happening to the climate uh requiring our schools to be a little bit more conditioned than they would have been maybe 20 years ago I think the other piece to that um is the fact that school now is a 12-month Endeavor and uh we uh for the most part use most of our schools All Summer in one way shape or form so I think uh when we take a look at priorities in terms of uh things that actually will impact teaching and learning I think the condition of the uh the building plays critical role in that they're also I I had a conversation with uh the state and some other school committee associations and and increasingly temperature is becoming an issue uh of collective bargaining uh in work environment so that's that's one of the things that are that a lot of school district are looking at on the horizon as as a as an issue so uh this is in addition to what Tom mentioned also in the summer we're also seeing a you know this year I for example we had a lot of days in September that were quite warm uh and I I can tell you just being in Walking in the building for a couple of days in September it gets pretty parts ofe that area of the West South in the Liv at the East End get very right this is where it's too warm you say correct yeah okay correct okay I think I understand that any questions on that item continue on all right the next is uh moving so our playground at the mcumber school so this would involve removing and replacing the playground that's currently there um this would also include special education equipment uh to meet compliance as well so this would be updating a lot of the equipment there is old and outdated and uh so this would be also a safety uh there's a safety portion to this as well so we're estimating that roughly 325,000 for that project that no I mean we we ran into that even at the West uh um before we put the new uh um playground in we had a uh faculty member who was trying to find someone to manufacture something for our special education kids so that they could have access to the uh playground themselves and um luckily we got a new playground so that became a moot point but still exists over at the Mac there again these things were built with a different philosophy yeah in mind that's all when were they built this is he hasn't been here that long the playground no it was in pretty good condition about 30 years ago I I go according to my son's age that's a good abely so so on that right the town's looking to do the bicentennial playground is a possibility I think I know the answer to this already but I'll ask it just so you can get it out there because people have asked can you use that playground as part of the school as well instead of building two playgrounds Reon um I mean I would love to if it had the accudent necessary to take care of the kids so the town would be looking into I would certainly uh be wanted to get some of uh the leadership meeting with the uh government officials to talk about how we would go about doing that it raises other issues as you know you close it off for the public and just for the schools and how close it is to the school well we saw what happened with the tennis courts and you know even that became an issue with our kids using it while the public wanted to use it and that's why we came up with a plan that we run through wreck and uh we're able to let the public know when it's open so no you're absolutely right what um so it would be good to have something like that I think the major issue one would be safety because we wouldn't be able to have the public in at the same time so you know you think about the preschoolers who might be using it so you could say okay we'll use the one on Main Road that being said this is in the North End Westport there might be issues with transportation and you know other reasons why they specifically use that area that's why we have two um and then um where it's located right so it would have to be located close to the school in order to have time because the kids only have a certain amount of time in which they get to go to recess so they wouldn't be able to walk to where it is now what might be good is if um they're looking at doing something at that um at that playground is to maybe do something with bulk right so maybe you purchase all of the equipment at once but it's it's put in two different locations and then maybe you do have some that are you know maybe some of the bigger things at the Town one or something but I don't know just a thought I what if the town built their playground on the school property and it was used there and then the town could use that after hours is that I mean that's what we're doing right now over at the middle high with the uh tennis courts um that being said um the time if our school time is going to be there and they're curly there right now they're a site uh they're they're operating until about 5:30 so that's just food for and you also have the summer we have students that are there in the summertime so they wouldn't be able to use it in the summer too it's almost like you know I'm sure students I mean I'm sure the public can use the macumber school when nobody's there because who's going to stop them because nobody's there um but all right okay I was going to ask on some of these you have like Health request Health requests and there's an equity request is there significance to death that we should know about no I think it was just a way to sort of categorize different yeah the first patch I guess is more safety and then this is on the health side so it was just a the committee originally discussed this it was just a way to sort of categorize yeah seems to make sense I was just wondering if it's something more than the title so if I could just speak to that that was when we were talking about it in the committee that was one of the things that I thought might be helpful for this committee to know you know why are the schools deeming this as to be necessary like what priority are we putting it in and why and those were the reasons that they're needed so that's why they okay I think we decided to do that I think that's useful in my view yeah okay uh next two items in your packet uh are some bigger ticket items uh but they're also at least one of them is on the town's Capital plan as well uh we know depending on will happen with the old high school there'll be a space issue we have some admin there we have an out of school time program that's operating out of there uh the school department also uses the athletic fields on that site so obviously depending on what happens there we're we're looking to plan ahead uh so we in the capital plan it's also listed as 5 million but for administrative offices this would also include elements of family engagement like our out of school time program is currently providing so uh if that space is needed that's the uh the estimated cost there which reflects what's in the capital plan as well um the other item uh on a similar note of the depending on what happens with that building and if were able to access the fields this would be for fields at the campground so the last uh estimate for the cost when uh this was when the property was under the select board at the time uh they had done a a sort of a rough analysis and estimate there and it was below this but we sort of increased it because this was over I think over three years ago now so uh rough in the neighborhood of 8 million for fields at the campground um similar to what the initial uh project had looked at when they they had done a a report a while back on that and so this is sort of including those items but increase for inflation the last few years so okay so the earlier one here on top is uh the Early Childhood Center Etc um is that you completely linked to the fate of the old high school or is this Standalone thing that's well I think it's both I think if if there was a if there was a building in itself that were separate that the school department was able to use then we could expand use there into other areas like early childhood and you know a more dedicated family engagement component to it right now that's sort of done through or out of schooltime program which is a sort of before and after school care prog program um which has seen increased enrollment even in that so we're utilizing the space of the old high school which is currently working um but depending on what happens with the building this would certainly impact uh yeah how much space because there's concerns with space in the building there's clubs and events happening after school that would be difficult for our out of school time to to accommodate certain space so and how much space are you using now so there there's uh in the old building when you walk in sort of the corridor to the left is is taken up by the out of school time and they use the gymnasium area as well um and admin is still in the same Wing that they were in previously um a few had moved over this year but there's still administrative offices in that in that part of the building the business office is still over there so all right questions comments yeah this this first one is for the building itself where would that building be located at we were actually thinking about on the side of the Mac that's what I thought I had heard um a few years back Mike Dart actually um I forgot who we had do a site test but you could build over there from what we understand okay we actually thought I'm sorry s that we had actually looked to Diamond to see they didn't have a house building project that year uh I think the project was a little bit too big and I think they were anticipation of possibly having a a house building project going forward so they've got one this year uh but I don't have any problem reaching out and seeing if that's something that they would want to be interested about again like I was saying Evan the thing about uh Diamond when they have projects if if the union is involved for example the plumes Union will only allow or they typically would only allow one project per year so when they had a house that preluded anything out from place so that's just a consideration I don't know if that's changed over time I haven't been there since uh 2019 okay so I don't you know remember but Union was an issue back in the day all right and then the second one it says the new structure here again is that the 8 million for both the building and the fields if you were to do that or the 8 million is just for the fields at the campground just for that site at the campground yeah I believe that may envelope number you know um you know the feeling was that you know we need to plan for this because uh you know it's issue from from my perspective if I recall correctly when the the previous report was done I believe in 2021 that figure was uh just under $6 million yeah yeah it sounds bant okay any questions on anything we've covered so far and if I could just give you a little background The Early Childhood uh is a huge piece because um as many of you know we have students who get tested as early as you know two years nine months for learning disabilities and uh what we're finding is more and more of them are coming with those disabilities and if you can tackle them earlier there's a better chance of not having to pay for them later because they're always more costly later the family engagement piece is sort of a trend that is happening Nationwide uh the opioid crisis although it seems to be getting a little bit better um has decimated families and so what's happened is a lot of um grandparents and other caretakers are now taking care of without the requisite um tools so the idea was putting together a family engagement Place uh together where parents could come in you know whether it's you know getting um you know support from CFC or academic support or whatever that Center would be a uh a community um um asset for La of a better sounds great idea okay that that helps on a number of these requests so and the uh where are we now the we're at the lighting for the current fields at the new school um so this was not included as part of the building project but well it was but it was probably I don't know was it vetted out Jim you know I don't think it was ever in that's amazing anyway so uh you need the lights I think well I mean just to give you some perspective we started a tournament game at 2:00 in the afternoon because we had to make sure that the game ended before the sun went down you know a lot of families didn't get to see their kids play yeah you know that's that's not a good outcome well if you're in a situation where it goes into overtime and then you're running up on the oh yeah yeah yeah we were lucky one of our tournament games was a midday on a weekend but if that were scheduled on a week a different situation I know especially later in the as I gets later in the year last year when they when our soccer team was on their tournament run uh I was at some of the games at other districts and they were it was already dark by the time you got to the before the game started so um but there was one game that we had last year where uh we had some lighting equipment donated to the school department and there was a significant Community interest in that uh so it was good to see uh so this would of course uh support lighting for the field yeah the thinking would be a community issue Friday uh Friday uh Friday lights Friday Night Lights yeah exuse me just for one second I apologize okay I was going to say the lights I remember going to the ball field and watching games under you know baseball games and stuff it's nice okay well we no time had to leave for the moment but you can continue on if you wish sure uh the last item we have on the list is uh generators at both the momer school and the elementary school so uh I know staff has been working with the energy consultant uh to look at Grants and uh to support this um this it's also part of the the town's plan because we know the middle high school was just DED designated as one of the emergency centers so um you know if one of the other buildings are as well that could and the generators are up to date that could be also provided to the community as a potential Emergency Center so um anything that on the generators some yeah the only thing I would say is that uh I'm participating I'm a member of uh an organization that involves um um transitioning um natural gas to electric um this is sort of just a general comment we really need to keep an eye on what's going on here because I think as the government is is asking I think there's a big push to Electrify everything at this point and my concern is that I mean just our own buildings with the natural gas the the cost to transition from just gas to electric would be overwhelming and it looks like that's the direction they're trying to go into when they're trying to figure out how to go about doing this so that the generation the reason I mentioned that is most generally is a natural gas yeah yeah so it just and just to add to that too I was at a meeting of the state school committee Association and one of the things that they're pushing on districts now because they're seeing some of the very environment with the state what's what's on the horizon there is uh energy assessments so a lot of districts now are pursuing energy assessments that are offered through massave and other uh organizations but because of exactly what Tom said there's a significant shift that way so uh they're they're urging a lot of communities to stay on top of that as as those things on the pipeline it's a big item okay any questions or comments on any of the material from the from the schools just one priority prior what are you we obviously don't have enough money to fund everything that right we're closed we're so the committee discussed prioritization um and from what I recall mostly can correct me if I'm wrong here but uh it was the safety piece first so the networking item that's uh on the first page um followed by the uh air conditioning electrical upgrades at the Elementary School and the Mac playground those were the those are the three top priority items so pretty much in the order that you correct put them down what was the third one Ean uh the third would would be the the replacement I just can't write fast enough here okay any any further questions not so thank you thank you we'll have at it I see you but if I don't for some reason have a great holiday you too you too enjoy it we will one way or the other we will sure we'll see you you thank you good night being here I to put you on last it wasn't my thank you for your patience no problem Beverly I think everybody knows you you don't need an introduction thank you Council on Aging I don't know what order you have things in so um the first one that I have is the interior painting 6 to 7,000 we haven't done any interior painting in I don't know 20 years um on here I don't see painting do you see painting it's got this on here the last school request on the back page on the back page I don't know D1 D2 is it just an estimate or you actually fill out the no I had the estimate I filled out the form the form's on the top and the estimates through the middle but anyway that was just um I just put it I just put it on there it's five to I put six to $7,000 wor his estimate I got an estimate from Matthew vas who did some painting for us before and um I'm just hoping maybe I'll get the friends to pay for her but I just wanted you folks to know that it might be on um on our list um and that was like for the next year what was it in here did I have the top part of it I put the estimate right through the middle of the form I may maybe May missed it I I copied the forms and I didn't oh maybe because it looks like the estimate maybe that's why I don't have any I don't have it on any form so yeah okay want it it's okay that's that's my little one anyway so um uh this I don't know if this second one but um uh 14 passenger wheelchair van um I did just apply to do um using their uh grants plus software which is horrible um it's the worst it's the worst and that $85,000 now you can cross that out and put 117,000 because that was the van cost um and they've really skyrocketed and the other thing is now the um fed's only for a 15% match instead of 20% match and I think that's because of the cost so they said if I do get the um van uh through dot if they will pay for it um our cost would be $7,550 um unless we added some extra things to it and it wouldn't be delivered until June of 26 that would be when so I just I just put that in I think a week and a half ago um the 2014 Ford Elkart has over over 135,000 miles um so we have the 2014 the 2018 Ford Phoenix which are both either 12 or 14 passenger vans um we have a 2021 uh Ford 8 passenger um and that one I got during covid and we didn't have to pay any match it was free somebody bought it and they couldn't use it so they asked if anybody wanted it said I'll take it so we got that so we didn't have to put any um uh match in for that and then um we have a 2014 Honda Odyssey Minivan and a 2015 Dodge Caravan and the Dodge Caravan is um wheelchair accessible actually um we got that only had 3,000 miles on it when we bought it and I had some Capital Improvement money left over from the 2018 van and the friends paid for the rest of it too so it's it's um all been paid out um the 2014 Honda Odyssey has 84,000 miles on it I we just did some work on it because um I was told that it's still in really good shape and Honda is a good brand and everybody loves that van so they said there's no rot on it please do so we spent like 2500 or $3,000 on that um so we got that but we we are really in need of a um a new evance so I did put thaty I did put that application in for that and we are seeing more and more use of the Vans um for our supportive Day program three days a week for people coming into the center um today we had an event event at whites um with our stroke buddy support group and uh the da Tom Quinn did a presentation on cons squads and and uh victimization and uh we picked up six people I think in our VM to come to the event so we're doing a we're doing a lot more with our transportation and with our with our vans nice okay any questions on the van and by the way the amount of miles you have in this town is 160 miles and there's only six miles of uh public transportation on Route Six because I had to put that form that number together so I know exactly it's 160 miles of roadway in Westport through Westport and six miles of public transportation only on Route Six I have a question um why is it going to take so long 20 that's always the way always the way they do it yeah by the time they do what the what the state does is they get get um everybody's application and they might buy I don't know 2,000 Vans for the whole state so it takes a little while for the for the companies to build them to put them together and then they them all up they deliver them um and they deliver I don't know like 200 300 at a time and then they you know bring them out to us so okay it takes but they do they do I don't know I don't think they do it every year I I don't think they've done it in the last couple years because Co but they're doing it again so okay thank you okay any further questions okay we can move on um we put in and I still know we have the $60,000 for parts and labor for our elevator repair um due to co we haven't really replaced anything um and I just put an estimated cost at 85,000 um it's in it's old and it's there are no replacement parts for it anymore so what they would need to do is replace the electrical system the circuit board which is basically the brains of the place the brains of the um elevator um uh and if that breaks down and goes we definitely have to replace that so um because we use both upstairs and downstairs you know constantly we're in that elevator all the time um for supplies and for people and we have offices downstairs so um and we have our Tech group downstairs so I know we already have the 60,000 that had already been allocated for it so there's just an additional I put in 25,000 just for that okay did we skip something y I don't know what order you have it in oh yeah the the parking lot parking parking the parking lot repaving um I just put that in there because I thought this proba probably by 28 29 we're probably going to need that to be repaved because we have a lot of the cracks that are sealed and everything and I figure figuring by that it's probably going to be used um there are days when we have um parking lots full and when partis is busy the Overflow comes to us and when we have an event we go to part is for the for the parking lot so we kind of share the the the parking lot and the and the um for parking and I did I did you know we have 70 spaces 300 uh square feet per car and I did it at 400 you know $4.50 per square foot depending if that goes up that was the 94,000 it went from 450 to I think like 750 per square foot I just got that off the internet I didn't know how else to figure it out it's like okay but that mean not seem pretty reasonable so okay next one is what the uh the floor floor replacement mhm uh the floor hasn't been actually we've been doing pretty good with the floor um but at some point there it's going to need to be replaced because we do a lot of exercises in there and it's really tough on the the tiles that we have and it's it's old um I do have KTR uh shout out to KTR uh um cleaning company they come in and they um um clean my floor um they they reeal it they get it all done for us um and it really comes out it really comes out very very nice um so we've been able to maintain it I also have extra tiles from the tile company from ABC flooring and if some of them are cracked we can peel them up and pick them up and then we glue them down and do that so we've been doing that over the last couple of years to make sure that we can keep the floor as long as we can um but I know it's it's going to it's going to be needed um in a few years it gets a lot it gets a lot of use we get a lot of use so we have exercise classes in there every day or just about every day and the days that we don't we have support Day program and they're you know really you know the chairs in the the chairs in the walk is in the tables and the you know aerobics and the bouncing around there's a there's a lot of activity that goes on at the senior set though we know that yes okay any questions or comments on that so I you notice you have your funding years listed here so the only thing that you're possibly looking at funding on is the painting yes because the funding year for the van is going to have to go on 20 I believe it's going to be 26 because uh yeah I believe would be 20 fiscal 26 I I think so they use they do it they deliver they say they're going to deliver it in June 26 we have to have the check ready for June of 26 but last time they were supposed to deliver it in June last two times they delivered it in July so you know you're talking about just a would be this year so that would be fisal 26 you got fiscal 27 on so that would be something you're looking at what about the elevator the elevator we have ,000 now already put on the side we did that a while ago and um if if it goes we need it now that would that's going to be the one that we would need the 25 so um so both of those if I have priority if I have priority I would do elevator van um floor and parking lot how much what do you need for the elevator we need 25,000 more I would also go to my friends group too to see because the friends you friends have money to to pay and and they we haven't really um we haven't really asked for a lot I usually try to only use them as my safety net but I I you know if we needed that um I could I could put that in um just so you know last the week the Thursday before thanks Thursday the week before Thanksgiving um I was supposed to be going on vacation and a lady came in and asked me if um I had need for $ 30 to $50,000 from their foundation and I said sure why not and she said well we need a 501c3 um to apply for it I said well that would be my friend's group and she said but we need it right away because we have to do it soon so I said okay so that's what we did Friday and Monday and Tuesday um so I applied for $10,000 for transportation $10,000 for supportive dat program and another $8,000 for um a new commercial refrigerator and uh a small freezer um for the kitchen um so if I don't get that sometimes I ask for the friends so if I'm hoping to get that and then I could ask for this for the friends um because sometimes they they pay for things like that so um but I've done I think I'm almost up to $350,000 in Grants since 21 congratulations there a lot of a lot of Grant right and I have one more to do lot of work it is thank you yeah I keep sending rle things and she says to me did you do another one I was going to say you get a lot of little ones those are the tough ones yes yeah they seem to require they still they require a lot of paperwork and it's only a small amount of money yeah that's yeah I know my my uh we're a snap partner and um we're lucky if we get like you know $1,500 but but it adds in because my whole outreach program is paid for by grants and we wouldn't have that outreach program if I didn't have my arw grant or the snap or the formula grant so you know we we trying to to do that and and work on that so well thank you for what you do thank you thank you thank you B any further comments no thank you and I'll see you next week okay thank you good evening absolutely okay and uh Jim I guess this is the last it it and you've got two items out here I think actually it looks like the this has the same on both Pages yeah just one it's just one oh okay yeah so so Keith could not make it today he said he might be able to dial but we didn't have it set up for dial so I said I would run it by and if the committee had questions he he' attend the next meeting if if needed but he's just looking for 8 well he's just looking for he's looking for $85,000 um to reconfigure the service so that he would have a duplicate um type configuration so if the server goes down it would transfer over to the other one um we're running more and more things off our server all the phones all the computers um you know Fire Department police department so if one goes down this would transfer it automatically over to the other one we've had pretty good luck I think not luck' been in pretty good shape the last year or so or we haven't had much downtime on anything but this would uh ensure that um it just switches over if if one of them did go down so okay that's where we are he's looking at $85,000 I was going to say I know there was one day that it seemed like the computer went down for some reason this was a while ago and everybody's looking at one another these days with without their computer going what can we do now right time to go home without your computer you're lost file of filing and you go ah now I know what I can do today okay any further questions on that okay well we have uh our work cut out for us don't we and Tom is right it's uh challenging to uh see what we have but the capital plan as I said lays it out just what our problem is and we deal with it as best we can so the next item we've already approved the minutes we have this traditional Topic's not reasonably anticipated 48 hours in advance that gives us time of something came up late I don't think we have that today Jim but you can tell me otherwise the next item is for a little discussion and I said Melissa before you came that we needed to discuss not only the date and time but the question of whether we should have this meeting on a different day I meant to say day here and I said date so it sounds like the usual but MSA asked me to uh consider discussion with the committee because of her schedule which makes it difficult to get here on Thursday that's a nutshell yes and I started to think about this and I don't really recall the reasons for doing it on Thursday in the first place I do recall well at one time we were doing it on Wednesdays and then there was maybe something popped up and we had to go to Thursday and we we stayed with that and everybody liked it but I don't even recall you maybe have a better recollection on that or yourself or anybody else here um I don't know if earlier in the week is problematic it's not for me I mean even if it's on a night when I have another meeting that usually wouldn't start till 6 like a select board meeting although I prefer not to do on a Monday but then the select board doesn't be every Monday I mean it's just one of these things that you can tweak it 15 different ways but let me ask MSA in your case what's the uh what what days can you make it generally speaking no right so um one the time is really difficult if it could be 4:30 and I think for some reason we had it at 4:30 at one time and then I would say either Tuesday or Wednesday would work our school committee meetings are on tues Tuesday but they don't start till 6 so I'm looking at right 6 o' on Tuesdays usually unless we have unless we have special meetings yeah um um but yes I think that I mean wedes I guess so Wednesday would probably be the best but I think Tuesdays could still work and Mondays too but Mondays are hard for people because it I mean Mondays would work for me but it might be harder for other people yeah it seems to be a lot of stuff that pops up on a Monday not just for me but for others when does the finance committee meet Tuesday Tuesdays Tuesdays Tuesdays yeah well um so it's a two-part idea maybe Wednesday and maybe 430 um in terms of the the day of the week again we used to have it on Wednesdays at one time and that I was fine with me and it was I think for most others but I don't know what everybody's circumstances are here so and I open up for discussion get a sentiment one way or another do we as uh Wednesdays are fine with me I think Wednesdays are better than Tuesdays I know it's only like once a month that we have Landing Commission on Tuesdays at 4 yeah um well I'm on that as you are and we well I'm not there official member of laon but we can always probably work with that yeah I'm thinking we could and we don't this committee doesn't meet every week so they might just se but then we could that's the only thing I have on tues either day is fine with me um so Wednesday's in here they also long-term building committee and the um infrastructure oversight usually meets on Wednesdays and um the affordable housing trust meets on Wednesdays as well so we just have to pick our days if we're going to choose Wednesdays to so it can be done but we just have to work around that is Tuesday then a better option I don't know what this room yes I think Tuesday is a better option okay it's fine with me too to me the earlier the better but I guess we could do 4:30 so well you know this may not be forever we try it on I don't think there's going to be a lot of meetings a couple more meetings well yeah we don't have a lot of meetings to be unlike a lot of meetings around this has a half life it ends ends up going to recommendation in February and then it UL appears on the it'd be good 4:30 Tuesdays if that works make that work okay on comfortable that that's vote we just had consensus on that one totally procedural thank you so Tuesday is at 4:30 okay now the more simplistic question is maybe it won't be as simplistic as the next meeting so at fir thinking this might be a Thursday I was thinking of not having the meeting two weeks from now but just going over and be uh after that would be the first first week in first full week in January whatever the DAT sth right January 7th uh I think that the first Tuesday in in January yeah now I thought that that might might work out okay but there is still a week here like two weeks from from now or two weeks from Tuesday is whatever the date is there but that's the week before Christmas so that does I'm not suggesting we have it on the week of Christmas or am I wrong about I was going to say this the 10th the 17th and then the 25th if um well the no the 24th but we only have a half a day yeah 24th is we're not going I think the 7th of January may work we're not going to have a lot of information we may not know what we have available okay until probably the end of January so okay if we had one meeting before that to kind of go over some of the recap everything and maybe prioritize some of the thing and towards the end of January I think we'd have a number as to how much is available um yeah and how much uh in terms of presentations do we have a lot more to do off the top of your head that's pretty much it unless we want some somebody to come in and recap yeah okay all right so January 7th it's not on that calendar that's December that's that's a Tuesday that's that's a so so interestingly I'm not available on the seventh okay but I could make myself available on the 9th because I'm not going to be available on the 7th which is a Thursday I'm like away like I'm not here you know what I'm saying so we want to do the 9th the 9th January 9th January 9th that's fine that's fine with me too and that's that's what I was thinking of uh initially but we would still then after that prefer the Tuesday Tuesday back Tuesday if we Sorry Sorry don't feel bad do Tuesday don't do Thursday don't do Tuesday thank you all this is not our biggest problem I know I wish it was too all right so the next meeting uh although we will go into a in the future a Tuesday ID 4:30 the next meeting will be Thursday January 7th that is is no 9th January 9 January Thursday January 9th at 4:30 yep yep yeah that would be great okay that that works for me I mean I'm flexible here I'm here and Sue and I and Jim are here anyway so I was going to say yeah scroll from the office yep yeah I I'll have to make sure we get the word around to the others that I'm here today but I all works great thank you for me I think You' be there we interviewing and okay so she's got a that completes our work she's got an associate this is part of the discussion or no I'm sorry okay off topic I wasn't going to cut you off I just didn't uh I didn't want to hold up theur all right well that does complete our work today which is uh quite a bit quite a bit and we have a lot to think about but uh we've got some time between the next meeting maybe to think about it some more and maybe you can tell us where all the money's coming from and figure something out for us that'll be your'll be your Christmas yeah I will work I will work on kind of summarizing the list yeah that would be helpful okay and I'll get the minutes prepared for the next meeting okay and with that I motion to adjourn second uh motion made in seconded all in favor say I I I