##VIDEO ID:WSdkXckFCMY## order you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge of aliance to United States of America stands na indivisible lice all welcome to the Capital Improvements planning committee some of you are repeat members we welcome you back we have a new member Al Le representing the finance committee thank you Al glad to have you here thank you um get the uh agenda we got about five copies of the agenda here but anyway just in terms of uh when the presentations are made that we go over with I I think Jim we have a shorter list than what was first imagined yes that list has gone very short can you tell us who will be here today we have Highway here okay the school I am not the representative of the cipc so Melissa can't be here and Michelle also is not okay um Evan's here for the highway Bonnie uh was called for the library should be here if not I can talk about what they need Council on agent bever said she could not make it in the cemetery I will talk about the cemetery so I now we have Evan our only out of town guest our office guest well we'll do what we can and the uh items that we don't discuss today we'll discuss at the next meeting or the meeting after that U probably for Al's benefit I want to talk a little bit about the format here um I'll call this introductory remarks from the chair but um I handed out a copy of the uh bylaws and um first of all would like to say we have established a quorum we do have a quorum the regular membership of the committee is nine people but two are not here today that would be Brian vord who he is in the bylaws the person experience in the management of construction activities and then also uh Melissa from the school but everybody else is here and uh so we need a we need five and we have more than that today so we're we're in good shape so we do have a quorum um I wanted to just go over the bylaws just to make sure everybody had a copy of it there not really anything you have to do with it but you can look it over and under item 11 of the bylaws it talks about a couple of things that are interesting Jim I would call your attention to item number three it says that we review items over $10,000 but I think we changed that in practice to 25,000 maybe someday that should be adjusted for inflation I guess but we use $25,000 as our guideline the student readers of this will see that it says 10,000 um we do urge uh long range plans that that cover a six-year period and uh ALS so on item number 12 of this we have to have an annual report recommending a capital Improvement budget for the next fiscal year which is fiscal year 25 and uh also we have to have our report to the finance committee and the select board on February 1st so those are just to give you a little background as you probably all know this but I thought it was good to refresh everybody's memory we do have one new member the first official item on the agenda is the committee reorganization okay so we we uh are when we appoint a chair or the secretary who is Muriel uh it's it's one year so every year we should renew this or get some new members uh who might want to serve so I am the chair in the past year but I would have to be reelected however I enjoy the job I will continue doing it at your behest but if somebody else wishes to step forth I nominate dick bre second second this happened last year looking for new faces well we have a second I think seconded it okay you keep are you taking minutes I am taking M You' you've taken minutes in the past are you taking she has a hard time I can try okay well for one time we're going to take turns right if you please yeah yeah because I can't I I I can't write okay well you don't have to be burdened with that Jim and I are always taking minutes anyways we we kind of got it down so if you take minutes today I'll do it next time all right okay sounds good okay so you do you wish not to be elected as the secretary no don't need a secretary okay so we'll pass on that all right well um did everybody say I to that earlier idea we have not yet voted okay all in favor say I I I I'd like to be opposed but that would be bad for anyway so now we are reorganized we're legitimate and um the next item is just to take a look at the well it was the B laws we covered that the next item is the fiveyear capital plan now we don't have to spend a lot of time on this I just want to call attention to it though because it has some importance so the select board and the finance committee requested a 5-year Capital plan and a five-year financial plan and the The Five-Year Capital plan is on it's on the website I believe the town website and it really doesn't change a lot of what the cipc is doing but it sort of gives us a little different context uh in the past we pretty much went Year bye did our thing figured out how much money we had to spend out of out of free cash which is where it mostly comes from not always but mostly um but the 5-year Capital plan is intended to look at the next five years and to see where the items fit and if Done Right each department should have a five-year plan we don't have that from all departments we need to keep working on that and that way we make a decision in a given year in a in a broader context um let's say it's a fire truck okay well we we should be asking is that fir Tru going to be good for the next 5 years 7 years 10 years and so on and so forth so it doesn't really change that we do but it gives us a different look at things and more insight and perhaps it would result in decisions that are a little different than what we would have otherwise done the capital plan talks about how how many uh projects are there and it there's a little uh diagram in here chart that Jim maret put together he and I did a lot of the work on this and it shows that we have about $50 million of projects over the next five years and then in future years Jim estimated it another $51 million but sticking with the next 5 years I mean a lot can happen in 10 years but what can happen in 5 years but we have 11 almost $12 million for fiscal year 25 which is what we're working on now and 10 million almost basically it's almost the same every year 10 11 12 million for some reason fiscal year 28 has 15 million and the total is $51 million now we know that we don't have that kind of money so the plan does talk about alternative sources talks about getting state grants using um like for the cemetery Cemetery we use the uh the funds in that uh that are that what do they call that special care fund yeah we talk about borrowing when necessary we don't like to borrow uh Community preservation act CPA funding Enterprise funds we don't really use that grant funding is the Big Ticket item here such as green communities uh they can be called upon some times if we qualify for certain projects we have in the past like in this building there's going to be two heat pumps put in right and they were in part supported by the green communities but it really comes from free cash that's the biggest piece of our uh funds and happily this year the free cash is much larger than it had been in previous years we thought last year was good Jim made the prediction this won't happen again and sure enough did happen again so please keep making that prediction so it it gets bigger I already [Laughter] have uh and we don't know how much will actually be expended from roughly $3 million on the capital needs last year we spent about a million dollars that seems to be the going rate but this year maybe it can be a little bit more so maybe we can get some more things done and that's really all up to you you and your recommendations and uh also we do have a capital stabilization fund uh it had been there before I guess and then it was decided to put money into it so I believe uh some money was put in last year by recommended by the finance committee I believe so you know roughly know what the bance okay but it's not really important for this year because this fund needs to be built up to a level where it can support the capital funds needs every year so we're in that building phase and um it says here the best practice would have a balance of 4 to 5% of the general operating budget well if the general operating budget is $50 million we know that 10% would be5 million so we need $4 million a there that would be a goal and that would help us meet Capital needs every year but it's a practical matter that's going to be a tough Hill to climb and but it is the right thing to do and if we can just put something in every year like we do for OPB you know after five or 10 years years that you've got something so that this is this is a good thing I call that to our attention because that is a source I do not think we'd be calling on that this year I'd hope we wouldn't need to but that's there so that's all I'm going to say about the five-year Capital plan I just want everybody to have the full context I'll be referring to this from time to time um if you if you're bored with football on a Sunday afternoon you should take time and read the fiveyear capital plan okay that's that's the assignment that's the homework okay now we can start with the the projects for today Jim I guess we'll start with uh planning Gail are you going to speak on the planning request so yeah Mike asked me to fill in for him with the okay Westport South Coast okay if you wish you could come up here to uh Gil to uh be heard more clearly do we have to shut off one of these microphones cuz they Echo back fix that hi everybody good to see you Gail I'm Gail RX uh bike and walking path chair uh I'm also representing Westport um for the South Coast pikeway Alliance okay uh so just in a nutshell we've got um the mass Trails Grant this year um to to extend the quick aan rail trail uh by behind the pages and to whites and uh so right now there's that's a three-step process right now they're um looking at the feasibility and some design um work and working with uh conservation uh to talk about that but Mike uh then the next thing for the the mass trails through every year you go into the next phase and there's three phase and the Final Phase is construction so that's our plan but he's also um thinking about with that masss Grant you have to have um I think it's 20% match and we've uh got in kind Services uh to do that for this time but um for the next next application we'll probably be looking for some kinds of funds we are also applying to um CPC to get um to extend the the rail um rail line to O Bedford Road so that's he sent me this he said estimate cost is 1.9 million and some of that is from the the state so uh and then 20% of whatever we get we have to do a match so we don't expect to ask the town for money but but I think Mike is thinking along the lines is that we might be able to tap into this uh committee for for some of those funds uh just I'll read this to you westport's contribution to the regional South Coast Bikeway liance uh Bikeway and greater extent planed biking facilities connecting Providence to Provincetown the project will maximize the Grant and state funds to the great greatest extent possible but local match will be necessary and uh the uh other grants was mass Trails Westport SE SE uh CPC and we're on the tip uh the state tip for a uh safe Crossing light um and you know designing so it's safe for bikers and Walkers uh Sanford Road the intersection of Sanford Road um do you have any questions for me I I have a question Gail uh it's I have the U submission here in the 1.9 million is mentioned yeah so as you break that down I'm trying to get to what the town would end up needing to do here right is it 20% of 2 million or is it 20% of a lesser number based on the contribution of the state and other sources yeah so uh that's a good question and I'm not sure what Mike had in mind when he he wrote this um let me see so it was almost 70 grand we got this year it 70 * three is let's see uh yeah I'm not sure if that the the main 1.9 would be the construction because really that is the most expensive part I believe Jim you might know this there's a formula they do it's uh a million dollar every mile or something that for a while but they do for every mile of Railway they have certain certain estimated amount um go ahead do you know what they're looking for this year are they doing design or planning is so it's my understanding that par uh when the RFP par um Corporation did uh East East Bay Bike Path so they were leading the the charge 25 years ago um so when you think of this extension it's only about uh 2.7 miles is from Lees to whites okay and then our portion then we would want to go up Route Six which we are thinking will um engage or be talking to Mass DOT because they're going to be doing that and then our portion again will be I think it's 2.7 miles from the intersection to the Dartmouth line so to so that's almost it's almost like uh less than a million mhm uh the cost and I believe that would be what he's thinking is that's going to be the three parts okay and so right now it's we gave money um not sure how much money that was for par to do um Design Concepts and feasibility of where we can go um on the if if we can still go on along the water but there's a lot of erosion behind the uh whes owns that property it used to be the old video store I'm not sure what's in there now um but so that's where we are some some design work this time and then it's my understanding the next one will be more design and uh engineering okay and then the last one's the um construction the asphalt and this should be mult year project it it it would be yes it typically is I was just trying to get a number to plug in this year as part of the cap yeah that's a good question maybe you can yeah so I think my understanding is this year they're not looking for construction money right not there design feasibility and preliminary design type um studies so what I mentioned to Mike briefly was that maybe we could uh recommend and last few years we've been able to use Opa funds for um Grant match okay previously to that we had put um a small sum of money into a warrant article that could be used for Grant matching funds and okay maybe we consider consider that again this year okay um going forward so if a grant does become available whether it's a bike path or whether it's something else we have a funding source to to provide a match sometimes these grants come up in the middle of the year yeah we can't wait to town meeting to get the funds so right this would give us a funding source um going forward and I think Mike wanted to make sure that we're at least aware of the project um the outgoing years either 2028 or 29 that there may be some construction at that point um what I found with bike pass and these Street construction projects is if they get picked up by the tip yeah Transportation Improvement plan for this south coast region um the state and federal government usually fund the construction of the of the project uh similar to what we're doing on Route 177 and and um tickle road with a roundabout the state federal government will pick up the construction cost once it's designed so um it may not necessarily be a full Capital project this year yep but if if we could look at maybe putting some money aside yeah matching Grant funds yeah he that's exactly what he wanted to do is make you aware I do have concept drawings um with me if you wanted to see uh you know what a 5 foot path would look like on New Bedford Road I have copies today I don't know if you'd like to see that sure sure yeah and the other thing I wanted to mention is the economic Blom that we expected to help I just had lunch with breakfast with Bonnie Po and they did The Shining Tides um reel have you seen that yet anybody aware of it yes it's so I work for the Y so it's off the Y uh property uh Dartmouth brand and it's beautiful you can see videos drone shots of it and um Bonnie was telling me that they they are they have a line where they can measure how many riders come and and collectively I think it was was over th 100,000 people in that that Community is she told me is about 400 um 4 ,000 during the winter and six during the summer so that that's a big jump has that been an annual number uh I think that was annually it's only been open for what a year or so now yeah it's only been like a year and a half maybe it's pretty incredible if you ever get down that area m not even so much riding your bike but walking it's an elevated path that goes along the Water behind the reservoir is it Reservoir Golf Course uh yes reservation reservation yeah yeah so go down there on a nice day and there's hundreds of people walking yeah so they um they are expecting an economic boom um we also see it as uh and I I'll have one go this side one go that side there's three concept drawings and then this this is just extra but this will be part of that package I'm looking at it um there's three different drawings oh three different yeah there's three different drawings yeah yeah so you you'll see it it'll say um I it will say should say yeah north of rot six so this that drawing is uh existing they overlaid the existing and then they did to projective um design of how that is going so uh South Coast Bikeway before it started was thinking of that Northern route being a transportation okay uh people really don't want to ride on Route Six yeah they're going to put bike pass there but I don't think it's a preferred and safety um okay well that's helpful all right so maybe Jim you can work to to give us a number here you know by February when we have to have our rept done as to be this year I can double check mik too and see if he has any other okay and questions yeah I just have one quick question yes how many years um have we been in the design phase and how much has the town spent um well so there was an effort in 1992 um that was the first bike group that was led by Steve wet's um uncle mhm and and um I think there was probably I I have all the the paperwork I think they paid $11,000 for a feasibility study back then which is but but over time I mean have we spent over the last five or 10 years you know just to pick a number out of as far as as far as Town money I would say under 10,000 probably that's fine I just say design and you know it's generally been uh studies through serid um yes uh feasibility studies through the trails Grant um we have not spent any significant design money yet fine okay thanks yeah um any other questions from the committee okay Gail you yeah so so and one last thing I wanted to add to is the match so we've gotten in kind we have an engineer is uh retired he's young but he's volunteering to do some of the design work and that adds up to the amount of money I think it's around 9,000 we have to come up with and boy scout Buy in to maintain the the uh bike path there is the what they call it Westport extension it's the last uh portion they did in Far River and they have a Boy Scout Troop that is probably that was his uh Eagle Scout project so he has a little QR code in there and he maintains he does a great job I don't know if you've been down there lately but it was always this Tangled wood and and it's all cleared out so it looks nice yeah so we're engaging more more of the um Community Buy in okay so that okay okay we thank you for being here and the drill here of course is we don't vote to oh sure we get take all these projects and line them up and yeah somewhere around late January early February we put them in priority okay cool and we're also I'll plug it out is this on cable um we're having a bike meeting today it's an inperson meeting 5:30 to about 6:37 at the library and we're inviting um all our committee members we have a new Committee Member you might have you voted him in thank you for that and um we're going to go over all the projects and all the things uh and this I would say would be for our bike group has been the most productive year um you know first we had to build trust and now now we've uh We've really made some Headway so yeah I feel the momentum here it's it's exciting I am very patient person so I good we appreciate that well thank you for being with us today thank you okay Highway next right yes we have Evan here from theway Department hi Evan from Highway Department Highway for just sitting in for curreny couldn't make it at a prior appointment to this um I don't know if you have copies of already kind of what we were looking for or yeah we do we have we have an abbreviated version of here okay I just I have seven I can pass copies around I don't know if it's is this what you had in mind I have that and then I also have just kind of some brief description and brief numbers here um it may not be if copies already got seven cop was it on the back side no side save money no this is a different this is more detail this is the detail for your numbers do you like the way the highway department did this they put out five years looking down the road that's that's a good uh practice try to keep up with sometimes maybe minor changes here there yeah sure so do you want to talk about the the request of the those be in the yep so the first one's going to be a uh 6,500 dump truck um it's going to it says new but it's going to be a replacement too cuz we have a 2005 Silverado mhm it's got 267,000 miles on it right now and it's actually suffering from GM lift of failure so it's almost there it's almost it's a surprise it's still running so it would' be getting rid of that and then uh adding this truck it's a non CDL dump truck um we used to run two we only have one now so one went to um Surplus a couple years ago and then the second item would be a replacement generator for the building there currently is a generator there it's um under siiz for the building it's a little inconsistent in its operation U we actually had a second generator standby military surplus generator that we would have in an emergency and um this year with our normal maintenance and kind of check up on it going into the winter the motor side of it run but it didn't produce any more electricity so it wasn't being military in the age of it find parts for it's very difficult so we have the generator for the building like I said it's old and inconsistent and undersized so if that generated doesn't run in the event of you know blizzard hurricane whatever we not only don't have power in the building but we can't Supply the town with fuel cuz our shop supplies power to the pumps now I was uh trying to match up these uh two forms where we have the details with the the sixe that was that you have doesn't yeah I was going to say it doesn't match so like on the form this is Item B and I guess it's on here too uh there was a pickup truck pickup truck for 74 says pickup truck jump truck and trailer and instead it looks like it was switched to that's previous year that's year oh that's fiscal 25 okay 26 that's what we sent over though oh okay so asking for a heavy truck is it originally it was I think it was supposed to be a heavy truck and then um we kind of downgraded a little bit to this truck and the price on that uh right now we're expecting I'm still waiting for finalized pricing from a the dealer and then the upfitter who would upfit the dump truck body on it but talking with them and their recommendation we're right around 143,000 whether I know the heavy truck was more money before yeah okay that matches up now I was looking at the wrong column the generator ,000 and that that would be installation and everything have that was the third thing or was that it just just just two okay and this is for on the agenda it says 24 it's 26 right school year 26 it'll be FY 26 fi 26 we're we're in 25 we in 25 wow I'm fed okay uh questions uh from the committee to Evan about these items there are any I think they're fairly clear yeah need to plow the snow it's going to snow again right one of these years we've we've been uh too lucky the last few years and it makes me a little bit worried so but who knows to to be determined England when you order a truck once it's approved say a town meeting what's the a time period how long does it take to to deliver the one that was approved last year ordering the truck and getting it to the upfitter it's like 10 to 12 week turnaround time is what I was told oh okay that's then usually the upfitter usually is a pretty quick turnaround a couple weeks because they already expect the truck to be coming in so they already have like the necessary things to be put on it okay so further questions for R just a you could need no just quickly the so the request form is not actually accurate you want to go into your detail as the one that is being requested yes please yes okay well I think it is does line up with the revised well there's there's no generator for example in the request form the original the original reest the original one that was kind of a last minute think that's okay that's okay I'm just trying to figure out which uh which piece of the puzzle yeah so it's the 26 column which is highlighted and it has the two supporting forms right I think completes the picture great good good could you uh have April just send over a list of your current vehicles that are registered years I think yeah she's done it before so yeah I know we have an up to date one so definitely have that done okay any further questions everyone we thank you for being with us today and presenting You' heard me before what we do is line these all up and sometime in January early February make our selections with the money we have and we we always very much supportive of what the highway department is doing yes we do want to have this SN plow what yeah and Dick I'd like to give a shout out for the for the great work on Main Road oh yeah and I mean you guys did a fabulous job you really you really did thank you just don't forget the last part of that's where I live over but that's it's time to I'm sure that's a big job too cuz you got sidewalks there yeah that's that's when you mix sidewalks in it's a whole oh yeah that's a whole thing so people are asking me come we don't get us relax relax b b a little bit of baby steps yeah right again thank you for being here thank you very much appreciate it have a good holiday thank you okay and Jim you're going to take care of the library for us it's just a couple of yeah I think they just have at this point their uh HVAC system um it is currently working but it is aged uh was put in 2006 and 2009 they usually have a 15 to 20 year lifespan on these they did get an estimate of $106,000 uh they have concerns just because of the the storage of um material that they have to be in air conditioned and uh treated air areas so they don't go bad um I did reach out to Kathy Stanley our energy consultant so we went out for a b townwide to hire btq to be available to analyze all the buildings for Energy Efficiency and through that contract they have the ability to replace heating air conditioning units in any of the buildings under that same contract so we wouldn't have to go out bid again but they also have access or knowledge about any grants that are available or incentives so he's going to go out to um Joe Bliss from BD btq and Kathy Stanley our consultant I'm going to go out to the library over the next couple of weeks and um see if it qualifies for any any type of uh grants or incentives um so they will take a look at that he'll also um take a look at the units and see um what he thinks the conditions of them are and you know how much life we can get out of them if if they remain in place all right well it's a pretty big ticket item $100,000 for the i h if I remember correctly I think this was on their list last year yeah sounds familiar okay any questions for Jim on this Library item I usually we wait till things fail before we replace them because that's the way we do things here but um Jim Jim do they need to be replaced in as a four pack or can can we stagger it over two to four years depending upon how they how they match up it's a good question I would assume we could stagger them just cuz they went in at two different times but I'll have them check and we'll get back to it's good just curious because it may it may be you know spreading out the cash flow of the town over let's say a foure period of time as opposed to 100 and some odd thousand in in one lump we'll check that it helps yeah okay so that concludes the library D the Council on Aging will not be presenting today the schools neither of the schools so I guess the last Department to discuss is the sem and you meet us through that yeah I don't even believe I filled out a so we're looking at um come we've been designing for about a year and a half now the next two sections of the cemetery which would be on the North side east of the current garage um they're probably at about 75% design they're going to go before conservation in December or January we would really like to start we'd like to get it cleared um stumped and rocks removed out of those sections and then finish it so it can settle for a couple of years before it is used it's typically how they do it um so we would be looking for funding uh this couple this coming spring I don't have a number yet I'm waiting for the engineer to get back to me with a number um they're looking to go before conservation he said January or February we're pushing him for December or January um so we should have I will have a better number for you by uh January um hopefully a better number for you by December well what I have it's on one page you get the cemetery truck 50,000 you got this inset talks about expansion yep and it says an estimate of 200 to 400,000 is that what you're talking about yes yeah okay um so that would be for the Cemetary expansion um the other thing that they've requested is a is a truck with a trailer hitch um with a full bed an extended cab which should be about $50,000 the current truck is um falling apart they try to keep it they have a couple of trucks but the one they use to carry the burial equipment um around is the blue pickup truck which is in pretty poor shape I you know I went by a few times over the summer and they have to jump start it every day and fill up a tire every day but you know those are things that can be fixed and they have fixed them but it's it's just it's nowhere to live passed its time and um it's to the point now where they they having trouble getting inspection sticker for it so um now two two thoughts here one is the cemetery fund Perpetual care fund can have be used it can be used and we haven't done any analysis on that so we will take a look to see where we are with that fund um we've boughten a few things we've purchased a few things over the last couple of years out of that we bought a tractor we bought a small excavator um um and we did use some of that money for repairs to the garage which was done by mostly by diamond right and new septic system we put in as well and I was wondering with this expansion is this do we have all the the land spoken for and this Max the maximum this is pretty much it yeah yep um it's tough to say but they're filling up quick you know we had a section that opened up a couple years ago and it's it's it's filling up quick right right okay questions for Jim on Cemetery and again I hope to have more detail on that another month yeah when should we stop looking for another there go yeah I think we should have started years ago I agree and and I it's been talked about over the years and I think there's been some you know initial looks but it's it's you know there been talked about may maybe the old high school property you know something to consider up in that area um we don't have a lot of options as far as town home land so it's something we would have to purchase most likely I I think it's overdue to to start looking at it if you start projecting five or 10 years you look at the demographics of the town you look at the expansion of the Town versus where it was 20 years ago population wise um this new section is not going to last that long things are changing a little bit we're seeing a lot more cremations um they can put one full burial and two cremations in one plot so you know we're using up a little bit less land for for the number of uh burials that we're having um some cemeteries are just going to cremations there aren't too many but um you know that may be the trend going forward yeah you know there's a there's a number of things that should be considered with even with these sections of the cemetery should we allow headstones or should they be all be foot markers you know the amount of time and effort that's put around um cutting every time they cut the grass around all these stones and then plantings and um you know loved ones have memorials around the graves with different Trinkets and some Sumer glass some of cans uh trees are planted um we really need to tighten up some of the regulations going forward um they do a nice job at the cemetery trying to accommodate everybody and you know it's it's a tough thing over there right um you know they're trying to keep the people that visit um content and be courteous and so forth but it's it's difficult and with staff getting cut you know over the years we don't have the ability to yeah to maintain some of these things you know you see St Patrick's Cemetery in Fall River I think they did that years ago back back in the 80s um their newer plots are just flat Stones you know and you can cut a plot you know in an hour as opposed to a full day if if there's Stones there but um yeah just something to consider going forward outside of this board's this committee's jurisdiction I guess yeah but it's is important to give the folks who are listening in or look at the video later the context of what we're talking about here and that's the obvious question with this expansion is we pretty much uh use the P space that's a it's a problem okay all right well that uh anything else we talked about the truck there so but I was going to ask that on the truck is that replacing an existing truck or is this new it's replacing an existing truck okay that's the one you said is fall apart okay all right um well that's uh that's it for today now what would we Jim would you be having the um the other departments that that didn't make it today coming in and particularly interested in the fire department because we had the handout and that's quite well done and it's lengthy there'd probably be some uh extended discussion on that um and if we do the schools and the fire on the same day that might be a lot or maybe that's all we do that day but you'll you'll rework this for us next time yeah I I think we could have the school police and fire the police I think right now is just um it may have been a for but I think they're looking for their Cru that they request every year trying to think off hand there may have been one other item I Department you will take a few minutes and uh School dep department has a list that's yeah okay some time the other departments that uh we missed tonight should be relatively quick counc on AG yeah Council on Aging really has nothing for this year um they're looking future years but um yeah we can get I think we could do it in one night um all right well uh just for the benefit of others including Al that tonight it's it's been a fairly short meeting we generally don't like to run more than 90 minutes and we seldom do so usually it's an hour to an hour and a half an hour and 15 minutes being probably more on the average so that's uh that works out so we can all get home at a decent hour um the uh two other items here one is the the next meeting would be uh December 5th Thursday December 5th at 4 pm if we maintain the existing schedule I assume people are comfortable with that uh at least for the time being but I did want to point out that Melissa Pico who couldn't make it today uh asked if maybe at the next meeting if we could have a discussion is what is the best night to have the cipc meetings because she's uh having difficulty with a Thursday uh day so I'll just put that on as a discussion but I'm not suggesting we change it I think we should get everybody's input and you have other things to do and the the other days of the week may not be suitable so we just want to talk about that a little bit but for the time being we'll just go with the Thursday date I know you can't make it out as you mentioned ear so be it we get a quorum we'll just you can always watch it on you know video YouTube probably wherever you are you I assume you'll stop what you're doing and watch it on live must see TV that's right absolutely now we do have an item here uh approving of the January 12th 2024 minutes that seems like a long time ago but it wasn't that long it may be the 11th minutes I'm looking I had the minutes say January Thursday January 11th the agenda says the 12th so I would go with January 11th oh well it's just the no that's my I don't think any body's going to complain so what is the pleasure of the committee do I have a motion to accept those minutes I'd make a motion to accept those minutes second motion made and seconded any discussion all in favor say I I I those minutes are approved and Jim you're taking the minutes for today's meeting I am I'll do it next time okay um all right uh we'll have an adjournment but I wanted to ask under what is called the topics not anticipated I don't have any for tonight I don't know if anybody else does if not then it would be appropriate to have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn ah second second we don't want that motion to fail for El a second motion made and seconded any discussion uh if there is no opposition the chair declares the meeting to be adjourned thank you than