few points. You've heard the phrase, I'm sure, a million times, build it and ask for permission. I didn't say that at any of the other pe any of the other hearings we've had before you. But when I learned that this property was almost
all in the velocity zone and what's and the rest of it's in the AE zone and they presented it as an ingground pool to you and to Hong Kong. I now have am going to tell you that I
believe this is a question of bad faith and build it and ask for permission later. I've been in other cases involved like this and historic commissions have said and concom
allow this project to go this way is close to zero. And what's the point of giving an advisory opinion on something that's not likely to be built? It's not going to be approved. So, my suggestion
would be to postpone everything until the Hong Kong makes its decision. Um, another point. I just went again today to both houses, Pam's house and Sally's house, and I
urge you to go yourselves. The impact of that wall is gigantic. It's massive. The impact on Pam's house is immense. Same with Sally. From Sally's house, it's not so bad. But if you walk down to the pool to the
structure, it's immense. It's massive. Um, and as somebody pointed out, the structure is not just a pool. It's a pergola. It's a a living area. It's a a kitchen. It's a big thing and it's
bigger than the house. So, please go take a look. Thank you. Again, there's no reason to go to conservation on a on a proposal that's not in front of you that may not be approved by you and then go back to
conservation again and be ping ponging back and forth. The whole idea is to present something that may be acceptable to the commission so that we can go to conservation. You may want more grading, you may want more trees, you may want, you know, and we don't want to say if
you come back here, we'll add a tree. We'll go back to conservation now because we have to add a tree. So it makes sense to get an idea of what if any could be approvable here and then at that point we'd have to it has to go to conservation before you can do any of the work. If it doesn't go to cons if it doesn't pass conservation obviously
there's a problem. Okay. So conservation conditions, right? Possibly. Why are we wasting our time? Because we need to know, you know, if we're going to grade further,
we don't want to talk about that now. I mean, I think what's been said here, uh, a waste of our time to begin discussing this this design aspect of it. That's oxidation commission is going to
determine what is going to happen. Is that true? I don't think it's a waste of our time because I think there would like to hear more comments from from the audience. We um the way this works is if you were
to give an approval, it would go to the bo to the building inspector and the building inspector gives a permit and then it goes to concom and the board of health. That's how the last one worked. And the question is what is it that they
are giving to you and the building inspector? Are the plans accurate? So it's a whole question of the accuracy of what has been given to you and what will be given to them. I mean and from every viewpoint this is what worries me
is the accuracy and somehow or another can we can that be determined? Is there disagreement about the accuracy of the plans that were immediate were submitted earlier and what has been found by the
Mr. Be I believe Mr. Beiels should that be something that you would look at accuracy of plans one last point You can come back a little discussion here
after another point. Yeah. Another I I just want to say at the last hearing that we we came to there was an a strong indication by the chair which was not you at the time I
believe right that if Mr. Bronca brought down the wall several feet and birmed it up several feet there would be a deal. it. We waited for months and months and months
and we never got a plan and then when we did there was no it was nothing like that and we were disappointed. Again, I just want to stress that this was the result of meetings with several
parties and an agreement that this could go forward. Not that you had any part of that, but that it could go forward. So that's why we're presenting this and we we're gladly open to considering other things and that's why we're here tonight. You know, we're not this is not something it's not an application
obviously. It's not something set in stone. It's no joking, pun intended. It's something Yeah. It's something it's something that this was something that was agreed upon as a concept to see where we could go from here to move this whole thing forward.
So let me just point out again that the plan that you sub to us is a plan for March 2022. The plan was the plan that was submitted to the original
application in March of 202. Oh, you mean in the package I gave you? Okay. And the reason and the reason and the reason I Yeah. what you submitted to us for preliminary review was exactly the same thing right that was done this is and the
reason of 2023 are you agree on that yes absolutely it's exactly the same yeah and the reason that was put into your package any change in the elevation of this aside from these walls any change
in the elevation of the wall you mean or in this proposal in elevation no the the what was submitted to you in 2023 I want I purposely put in there because it was what I would consider an incomplete plan or an improper plan that
didn't show what was supposed to be shown. I'm just trying to understand what what are what are you asking us to do here? Well, I'm asking if there's any possibility of anything similar or this uh would be appropriate
to take care of the problem. That's what we're asking. We're not if if Exactly the same thing that we rejected in the last. It's No, it's not. It's not the same thing. It's better drawings. It's better rendering. There's There's three There's three feet
of fill being brought up against the wall to lower the wall. We heard that from the other landscape architect that was brought up before us. He had the same more or less idea which was to put a lot of vegetation and
even to put some kind of terrace to create more vegetation against a bunker that was built without a permission that's 9 ft tall. So that was the plan then it seems to be the plan now just to render it. It's just not really what we wanted and we were
hoping there would be some sort of resolution if the applicant had worked with the various folks who were willing to sit down with them and I think that group and the idea of of a saw cut to get the whole structure lower there's no
here by putting more dirt against it doesn't make it lower as the base of the house one of the gentlemen that we met with that was his recommendation right that's why that's what you're seeing tonight so you also haven't addressed a number
of things Um I'm looking at the letter here from the commission notice the termination application of this I I saw that yeah but there was going to be yeah there was a denial and obviously
there would be a new application with if there were changes to the what conditions that appear that application is would have to be resubmitted correct corrects correct and that's not Correct.
Yeah. So, one of the things you said that um we talked about the overall scale. It's an outdoor entertainment complex. Um it will be used as an outdoor entertainment complex. There's a pool,
there's a spa, there's a curb bar, there's a kitchen area. There's going to be a lot of activity. There's going to be lighting. There's no lighting. There's there's no other 2,000 square foot entertainment plaza on the point.
How is this appropriate? I would almost beg to differ. I think at the le wararf you have more than 2,000 ft of tables and chairs out on the commercial. Well, we're talking you're talking half dozen one six of another. Yeah, this is
also No, it's a private residence obviously. I mean, we we obviously as part of the application, the lighting part of it and everything has to be addressed. That's not why we're here tonight because that's that's after the fact
entertaining complex and have it be appropriate to the point. I took a picture from my porch last night and lights down. In fact, it's in our guidelines. right?
So how how are you gonna how are you going to light this thing? OB obvious obviously as part of the application that's what would be have to be addressed. This is not again this we're here because if you don't like any of this there's no sense even the starting to
address the lighting and putting the application together because it's it's then we're wasting your time. Scale smaller quite small and not not just not just piles but also mixture the scale of the
overall structure it is not appropriate and he said so I'm not sure what scale you would be looking I mean what's an appropriate scale I guess I mean uh when you say that
John what was has been discussed at series already has talked about cutting the wall down. Okay. At least three or four. Attorney
representing the neighborhood also mentioned that it was brought down to the size of a normal stone wall 3 and 1/2 ft. Let's say so we were looking and f maybe acceptable.
Is that true? Okay. I'm just bringing up the uh solution that have been presented to us at prior hearings. Okay. Um certainly you're not proposing that, but is that something you're
considering? We're considering everything. I mean that's why that's that's why we're here. I mean this plan was a a basically a produced from a consensus of what can we
do to make this better. Now if this is not cut short of cutting cutting. Okay. Let me just remind everybody about one thing. I rewatched that tape just to just to remind myself of what the discussion was and there was a discussion with the
applicant where it was put to him exactly are you willing to cut the wall and his answer was well no it's already built. Well yeah we know it's already built but there was no consideration for cutting the wall because it was already
built. Has that changed? I would have to ask the applicant, but I I mean it's a draconian uh thing. If something else can be resolved, it can be resolved in other ways. That's where we're looking at it. Yes, we we did consider Robert Brona
2011 Main Road. I am the applicant. Uh I met with John Morardi uh several times and uh some other neighbors. Uh I hired consultants that John suggested uh because we wanted to to make sure that we knew it exactly what the facts are just as he described. What are the
heights here and this wall matches the height there. It's one foot higher here than it is here. That's the difference. So those are the facts. Um the picture that showed the old wall and the existing wall, that's not the
foundation of the house. That was the old retaining wall that's higher than the new one that supported the hill that was there. There was one on the other side, again, higher than the wall that's there now. And that was approved by this commission as it existed then. It did
slope down, but 3/4 of that project, if I built it to there, that that's that great with the house right about probably there. That's that great with the house. If I just built the patio on what was there,
we wouldn't have been here. And I do need to correct the record. I had two building permits, complete plans that completely describe what's there, what was built. They're in accordance with the plans that were built. They are on record. I brought them. We discussed them because that came up last time and
I was accused of bad faith before and I proved that that was not the case. The plan, they're on file. They're at the they're in the building department. I brought them here. I included them in my last application. Now I'm looking I'm looking at
the plan from March of 2023. Uh one is submitted to the building department. The building permit would be called inline jet pool and stop. Yeah, there were two that was also filed with a retaining wall and then you subsequent after you got
the first and we didn't start construction until we had both. But what I'm what I was curious about one of the things I was curious about in this March 2023 drawing is you great pain it seems to note the
height of various structures. So I found four places where you know the height of stone walls. I I didn't prepare the plan. My engineer did. Yes. What I also noticed is there's not a
single in the height of what you the building permit for the application for the wall had all of that and that is at grade with my house that entire thing and if you look at the notes it references the retaining wall plans in
in those plans for that application I had a pool contractor and a wall contractor they both filed everything and I had Scitec was the prior engineer I relied on professionals get this I think you
of the commissionary review. So if I could ask some questions if I were to saw cut it because draconian and that was John's work when he saw what was built when he actually came on the site and saw that built in accordance with the plans that supported the
building permit. Um, we discussed that. We looked at what the certificate denial language was in the opinion and it talked about sloping of the land and it was John's idea to to pick up to tie into the septic system he pipe and bring
it across. It's not our job. I'm just explaining to tell you, you know, which pieces might be appropriate. What we need to see is an entire plan that we could
consider. We need lighting. We need the elevations. We need to know details about the the sits on the deck. We need to know the size of of of the deck. I mean,
you've shown us the same thing you used to before. The deck is the same. The structure is the same height. Correct. Right. So if you want us to review the new proposal, we'll do it. But you haven't given us.
Okay. Well, so I was asking questions. I mean, we we gave you, you know, we gave you something after we denied the previous proposal. I'm not going to go through that. If you come back to us with something that shows your team on actually proposing
something that you might approve, then we can discuss that. Okay. I I'm not going to go back and discuss. Okay. Just a few things. The lighting was in there. It's underwater lighting in the pool. We didn't propose any additional lighting. There's lighting already on the house.
Just to be clear, you heard from about documentation without vote or approve anything. That's fine. Thank you. I think you should go to the conservation
that's preliminary. Take it to the conservation commission. See what they have to say. We will. Um but again, we would prefer to proceed with historic because if we're not going to get past that, we're trying to stay out of court. We're trying to keep the town out of court. Well,
[Music] but again, conservation commission is they're experts at that. That's their purview. We'll go there when we go there. Um, we're trying to get and if this design changes, what's the point of going there? We'll we'll speak to them
informally. We'll we'll do that. We're already doing that. We've already done that and we'll continue to do that. Um, but again, they're two separate things. Are you confident that the compound? I'm not confident of anything until we go there.
I relied on my engineers. I'm not an engineer. I I didn't build the house. Again, I have an engineer that will make those determinations for for them. And again, that's not historic commission.
My engineer did scitec. Yeah. They have again I I wasn't involved in that. I hired licensed professionals. Thank you. Okay. Um
business [Music] reports. Okay. So, um 1878 [Music] 1813 Mangro solar panel installation I think there's also project and I'm not
sure that I have a few things. The first is is about meeting. So the last meeting to change the first docules [Music]
They can be changed by changing. Yeah. [Music] Well, that's a big problem. Yeah. So the planning board generally meets here
first and third totally are available. I tell you, I've gone through the basement of the town hall upstairs. This is by far the appropriate room for this kind of commission and engineering
that we have. And so that would be a priority. So, how would you feel about how that's Right. And so I think it's a matter of rules and I think that
requires the public. So So one more announcement two more. Um so we are now part of the building department's sign official process. So we use this application called permit
wise and conservation commission now also upload. [Music] So it's a it's a great picture. [Music]
Yes. [Music] The gentleman they had Yeah. And I'm actually notice that. So anyway, I think it's great. So the last thing is is I want to
introduce Mark Thompson who's patient. very um Mark is an architect and was interested in join very father school
and I felt so bad and felt so bad. So I decided to return I looked at our 700 projects mostly in traditional and historical institutions
we experience reinforce many ways. That's very difficult. They're not usually usually
on the property. I then saw that as soon as we purchase all kinds of knowensive The barn also sink. are amazing. But it was tradition
that was not forgiven the boat house. The boat house So here we did see
on the inside. So we're looking at experience [Music] at the market. Well, it may come to that children. In other words, very
What's the number? [Music] very long drive that leads down between two other properties. There are two other properties that
the same one is There's another video. I'm working with myself and the process is letter to
expressing interest and your qualifications and I know Yeah. [Music]
Tell the voting about you. Say hi, you know who you are and then I'll vote to you and then you can start. You go to the select board meeting. If you can get your letter in now on the agenda.
You don't have to go if it's not possible. [Music] Yeah. If you got approved that night, you run over here. It has to be November.
that is being This is a pattern. [Music] Okay. I'd just like to say there is some of you may know this there is a group called the shallop planning group that's
planning for resolution 250 commemoration um and we're we've invited and we've agreed to come to the captain of the flower that's going to bring the shallow on the tour of South Coast Islands and
going to spend two days here in Westport and they're going to be um event surrounding that and I'm hoping that the historical commission will be interested in this and also we're doing a lot of research and it's
going to be based on the fact that Paul Captain Paul who is cutting off department did blockade and
to deliver supplies in Ant having trouble. That's how this all began. So everything is sort of situated around that. But it's also going to be a celebration of
the shallow in West Florida and um Katie, etc. Um, so I'm hoping that you all have ideas for West. We're now in the process of the opinion of the people who live in
that area. How they see this person? Yes, the ship will come to West Point and there will be a tender with it and the tender is the William Underwood which is the 1941 signing boat
and it's also going to be all through the whole trip. It's going to be professionally um photographed. have a lot of historic information and one of the points we would like to
do is associated there's a history of the development of the point starting because of the revolution people from Rhode Island came over here
to get away from our house in 1776 next door brother and they built houses. So this is a kind of a history like you all look at that see
further and think of things maybe we could do in historic district that we thought about things like that pardon me next summer.
Yes. August around August I think 178 [Music] include the um academy center marathon marathon
and it will be the last kind of big thing and everybody find Okay. Thank you. Okay. Motion
second. All in favor? I motion passes.