##VIDEO ID:KS0C2h1lmOE## o'clock uh this meeting of the she's good this meeting of the Westport historical commission is now open uh voting members present are Caroline Bolter uh Katrina stroik de choli GED stuck Ward Mooney and William Kendall the first order of business is uh minutes from three different meetings uh first September 9th 2024 uh yeah any comments on the minutes okay I reviewed them I think they're fine yeah I I went through them and made my comments already yep so um okay do I hear a motion I move we approve the minutes for September 9th second uh all in favor I I all opposed motion passes unanimously uh now we have the minutes of October 2nd that was the training session that we had um and uh any comments on those minutes no no I hear a motion I move that they pass second okay all in favor I I I I'll opposed that motion also passes okay and then finally the minutes of October 7th any comments on those minutes okay do I hear a motion motion to accept second all in favor I I I all opposed motion passes okay next item Treasures report uh I'm the treasurer there is no report this month um okay now on to applications for certificates of appropriateness uh the first one is 1967 Main Road um Dennis rag uh that's an application that was continued from the September 9th meeting and um the uh homeowners have indicated that they would like to continue again until the December until December 2nd um and uh so we need to vote to accept that continuance do I hear motion to accept I second uh all in favor I I I'll opposed n and I have a copy of the continuance that I'll put into the record okay okay great okay uh next item 1856 Main Road uh Leo chosi yeah replace gutters and FIA hi so we are here this is our uh The Man In Charge knows everything Tim is that Tim the card yep I want one of those I want one of those one of those men in charge yeah Leo is ever in charge uh some days did you find a check from him okay Leo could you at some point give us a check for this application we did not receive a check you don't do it right now but did you uh she probably has one with her $50 to the strg so that's the real man in charge cuz that's right money man just want to be clear okay tell us about what you're planning to um Leo and Amy's house is in some need of uh repair the jet work and the gutter system around the whole entire home has rotted out and deteriorated over time there's wooden gutters installed on the the house currently um a lot of points where the inside Corners are are meshed together there's some leaking there um up on the upper dmer where there's a longer length the wooden gutter that's seam together is also leaking so we are proposing or asking permission to uh install a new type of gutter it's a fibertech gutter it's made out of a fiberglass material um the benefits of this are there's varied lengths you can get these up to 40 ft long um the profile is the same as a historical wooden gutter so from the exterior it would uh show the same appearance and also there's a lot more volume for water to hold in this style gutter versus a wooden gutter the present gutter we have plants growing out of them these were very good pictures you sent excellent you're welcome um so will this be like for like then I mean um they're going to be exactly the way they've been installed correct okay all we're doing is taking down and putting up new okay um that's why we went with this profile so that it'll match the existing okay and and the downspouts will be uh we're going to use a round galvanized pipe that will be paintable currently there's a corrugated pipe uh those are just hard to obtain M at this time so no the round the round is desirable that's what we recommend excellent and we also recommend that that gutter very good as a replacement for wood yep could could you if you give us the approval could you put on there that aluminum gutters are not allowed cuz before we got this guy we talked to somebody about aluminum gutters and I do have a deposit with him oh want to get it back oh okay how would we do that we just do it in the minutes um we could could uh do it on the certificate we can say that we've approved a fiberglass Gutter and um we could write it on the certificate yeah we could write it on the certificate we can put on the certificate that you'll receive in the mail we'll put it on the certificate that aluminum gutters are no good not recommended yeah right and we'll say that the fiberglass is the preferred sure right I could do that okay any any uh comments questions from the I want to hear from the new member I wish you luck so it it looks like you may get into structural issues do you do you expect that there are some all of this jet workk is built where there's exposed rafter Tales coming down which are structural members um anything that we come across we will take the proper means necessary to replace that within I mean we're not going to be able to replace a a main Valley rafter that's going all the way up to the ridge but the part that's exposed will remove all the rotted wood and Patch it with like materials and then everything will be painted at the end and the faes will be the fases will be installed as they are but we are requesting to use PVC material to do so uhhuh yeah and we we have been allowing that that is a m material also that we have um approved excellent right I think we had a conversation on that we did um any other questions concern no I think this is a great job and a good example of what what what to use for a longlasting gutter I mean this is very very good material and we had originally applied for the application where we were going to use see their facial boards but Leo brought up a great point that we should probably use like materials so that they will both age the same it doesn't make sense to put a wooden component hided be hidden behind a composite component that may not last the length of time that this would and will the um will the facial boards be painted yes to this will be painted painted as well okay yeah because I think that enhances again the fiberglass cutter holds the paint very very well so it's it's a perfect material for good motion to approve I'm just want to note I'm going to make a change on your application to take the cedar out and put in the PVC very good I did follow up with a an email I'm not sure if you had received it but I'm just changing the actual application because that's what goes in the file so I'll make that change very good okay motion to approve I move that we approve we have a motion from bill is there a second no I second it okay uh let's do a roll call vote Caroline oh Carol I Katrina strosek I de choli I Garett stuck I I'm sorry I I neglected the public hearing aspect of oh you did we didn't have any comment from the public yeah so I apologize it's a application for certificate of appropriateness it it requires a public hearing um and so uh I hereby open the public hearing anybody in the audience who would uh like to comment is is welcome to comment any anyone okay the public hearing is hereby closed and now motion to approve thank you I we need a second a second a second I okay krina strosek I Deborah chi I Garrett stuck I Ward Mooney I William Kendall I okay the certificate is approved you got time for a couple of little stories about when I no when I've been here said time uh was many years ago when we had just bought the house and we needed an approval but back then the house was brown and the committee debated for about 10 minutes as to whether they it would only be approved if we change the color of the house and I said it's been that way for 40 years but the next year we Chang it and we got a nice thank you from the board and then one more last time we were here for the uh the big one with these guys and uh we wanted to put a rose walk up top MH and Pete Baker uh said this isn't then tuck it and there r on down the line and I said well the reason we're doing this when we first bought the house we had a nice water Buel and it's no longer there so she said get a bottle of wine take your wife to elephant rock wow how times have changed wow trees grow that's it okay than very good thank you very much thanks for coming thank you these are Westport stories yeah should okay um next item certificate of appropriateness for 1893 Main Road Ashley Sparks hi thanks so Pam Manchester representing U Jim Burns and Lucy Owen and Ashley Sparks okay we have multiple plans too that we can pass around um okay good for this so Pam I'm sorry you're representing Burns Owen and Ashley Sparks okay thank you for you guys to share we have also yeah this is the site plan I'll leave this on the tables for the site plan Deborah that's just the site plan I going give you a separate I going give you a copy of the other plan sh thank you okay why don't you walk us through so they would like to bump out and um they were approved to have the half bath put on already they want to turn that into a full bath that's right and then they want to bump out the front another 3 feet make a little bit more interior space so um can you just just Orient us so so this is on the I think it's on the uh South End of the house Southend of the house South End of the house and that house is set pretty far back from the street Yep this is Jan I can show you some yeah Jane l old house yeah here's some pictures if you want to ref familiarize right down it's set pretty far back from Main Road and so what the drawings we have here are are all it looks like it's all existing everything is is existing yeah this shed was there they uh Ashley had gotten approval to add on to the bathroom to it and the deck and then now make the half bath full bath and bump out the front of the shed for a little bit more living space yeah how much more space like 3et y here so I I just want to make sure I understand so here's look at the house from the road this was the B it was approved this was approved and now this is what they're asking to be approved and and the bump out in the front here yep is here okay so this is this part of the house right it's the it's a shed it's a separate building it's yeah it's a separate build yeah that's exact it's this one okay so from the street this is the place that they're working on so they want to extend this out and bump out the front are we dealing with just the shed okay so Pam on this Photograph here is this what's going to bump out from the original photos that you submitted right it's right here and right here right that's what changes this no no no this is okay that's that's addition on as well it's just point out which photo it's this one here so it's a completely different building East page six yeah photograph number 12 you want to see this one Katrina this here so Pam what uh windows that you're proposing to use on on the 3ot section that you're adding to it um they're this I'm not sure what the windows are actually spec them out but they're the same windows that they using on the rest of the project because we're doing a primary Suite renovation as well which all those windows have been replaced okay I think they're Anderson and this okay so it looks like the architectural you're changing changing the windows from uh from two windows two separate Windows three is that correct yes yes Street Carol you see that bill see it with the Gable coming off the front so it goes from this to this and a little shower on outside out outdoor shower from the street that that's what you see right pry and Pam the trim and everything will match the house yes any concerns Bill no I think it's fine and I'm onbody else okay um motion to approve well we need a public hearing public so uh public hearing is now open any member of the audience who would like to um comment is is welcome to do so anyone okay the public hearing is closed a motion to approve is is there a second I second uh let's do a roll call vote Caroline I krina I de chaly I stuck I Ward booney I William Kendall ey okay the motion is approved very good thank you very much that was easy have a good night thanks [Applause] Pam okay next item 1912 Main Road Howland Hall church building uh kit wise presenting and I just want to note that um this project has already been before us for preliminary review I have handouts for everybody I'm K wise I'm the archit for [Applause] chur oh thanks I have this you guys and we have a we have an overall project for the complete renovation of Howland Hall which is the Community Hall at the back of the church and uh the we have we have well really three goals the primary one which affects the historical commission the most is uh the repair and renovation of the exterior of Howland Hall um the shingles are falling off the trim is rotting the windows are all rotting um so we're proposing to reshingle the building put new windows and in addition to that the next part of our project is to provide better handicapped accessibility throughout the whole building and uh it's very it's the the handicap accessibility within the building right now is really torturous you have to go outside of the building to get from one part of it to another you are accessibly limited um and I have come up with a solution that puts a small Edition on the North no the southwest corner of Howland Howland Hall that resolve with some interior ramps and so forth resolves all the accessibility issues and in addition um we will be redoing the interior of Howland Hall uh providing new handicapped accessible bathrooms and a new kitchen and making the hall itself much more usable and friendly and acoustically appropriate but what we're asking for tonight is your approval for the exterior Renovations that we are proposing and um uh you saw the drawings back in the summer we're going to use um Pella lifestyle double glazed simulated divided light Windows two over two that will match in fact some of the windows that are on the basement section of the church itself um and um uh I'm also in this set of drawings which is a little different from the previous one I'm proposing to extend uh plywood down over the concrete foundation which is exposed by about four or five feet above grade you can extend the plywood down over the over the concrete using using pressure treated plywood gun nailed to the concrete and then we can shingle over that and that'll bring the shingling all the way down to just above grade can you point out where that is on here yeah um would you should we I brought the five drawing we that's these too we've got all these oh these are all your yeah that's from from this this line here down to there presently we see concrete from this line down to the grade so we just want to bring the shingles down close to the grade to get rid of that big concrete we on the on the south and east sides not bothered to do it on the North side which really isn't visible from anywhere um okay and then of course we're putting the small addition on which will provide the um core of the accessibility is um is there a reason we're not putting windows in the bottom half there is there like closets or there's a there's a room partition right in the middle there got it um we we could move the petition jog the partition to enable us to put a window there there's not a window there now yeah right there's a staircase there now stair concrete Behemoth of a staircase yes and that's one of the things we've been getting rid of is that right is that staircase I'm just wondering if it I mean aesthetically without the bottom window I don't know how important that is but I I think it's just an opportunity unless we put some Lov plant um which I know is we put plant we could put an arbor or a trellis against the wall or something there yeah and in the also in the new proposal from this view we're covering up the church window how much room is there well the church between this building and the window right so see how from here I can't so it's it's the distance from here to here and um yes this this does apparently cover the window but y uh any any of view once if you're coming up drift Road and around the corner up the hill um very shortly coming up the hill the this window will become completely visible visible again yeah and how much space is there between that addition right and the church it's this distance from here to here which um I have to I don't have it in my head but I have to guess it's about 9 ft it 10 ft that's not 10t um how often out here SP H you see Windows here somewhere 10 ft out I I can't answer that directly it's been used for many purposes I know years I I just and and and the church's hope is it will get you more and more particularly by the community rather than just for church purposes I've learned from Betty Slade that the the town once actually had what first and second grade classes in that building um how long ago was that 25 years well before me not all that long ago um so uh that's what we're to do looks good I think yeah very good I like the idea of you're carrying the shingles down over the concrete that's wonderful amen that's that's great that'll look great I think it's a great plan you you showed it to us over the summer we liked it then it's just fully developed now and then you have CPC potential CPC funding for some of this with once we have your approval in hand we be apply to the CC and we have a a form that you need to do that so we're when we do our approval here you'll get this form oh all right great thank you so just wanted to follow up on Katrina's concern about that missing window um I mean you probably explored [Music] this is what you that would be that plan right there on top um right now covers that space but you can see right here this partition right that window I see and if if it made a big difference to the commission we could was partition a little bit so it just came to one side of the window um so it would be possible to put that window in we had to cut some concrete but there going to be a lot of concrete cutting in this project anyway so some concrete cutting and petition moving but so that that yeah before you put that away there is there a room down there then that doesn't have a window that they all have Windows it's just a practitioner this has an existing window but will will it have a window I see I see four four rooms in the now you can only three windows so so that window is that window that one that one oh this one goes away because because this is coming in front what's happening I see so those other other three rooms have Windows yeah yeah I mean it probably would look more uniform to have another window there well if possible I think it would be much better to have the windows there yeah the windows there I think we could agree to have that one window where the stair is now we have we have you said move the partition Well we'd have to go part of the partition have to do a little job it's not weight bearing that's just an interior partition it's just an interior partition so it's not a huge deal would be given everything else we're going to be doing inside the building it would not be a huge so if if um approval depends on our doing that we could we could agree to do that is um would it would it change the um the the function of those rooms downstairs not significantly you think it would be detrimental large one of one small small yeah well we wouldn't we wouldn't move the entire partition we just the last two feet of it we'd move over so there' be just a little J Wall it wouldn't take much out of the out of my client there we're not in a public hearing yet are we we're just in a okay um I don't know how how strongly do people feel about that I mean I think it would improve the fenestration but it's not a deal breaker in my mind it's not a deal breaker in my mind it certainly would improve the appearance of the building and so I think if possible if it's outrageously expensive cost of another window in the frankly in the overall project um it would not be a not Material big a couple of windows it's um probably $3,000 worth of Windows and $3,000 worth of partition MH and light is nice window light sunlight yes well all all the rooms would still have Windows well I understand that but and your and you're keeping you're keeping that Gable there too is that correct no I meant to take that off that's that's a demolition of yeah I mean to me it it it looks like there's something missing um you know uh uh I would I would certainly prefer to have a window there sounds like it's it's not a big problem to do that well I we can agree to put that with it okay okay um yeah let's um open a public hearing now uh anybody in the um public who would like to comment on the project um I'm Betty slave I think there's there's a mic over here Betty if you want to use that and maybe a seat I'm Betty sled chair of the CPC um I just wanted to note that this is uh other than a very small project to paint the church itself this is the first project from the point that's coming to the CPC and the interesting thing about this is that this project not only needs historical commission approval for uh because it's in the historic district but also so the CPC needs your recommendation we don't necessarily have to have approval although today we've never done anything that you haven't uh recommended so I'd like to just point that out and secondly that the Howen Hall was built originally as a community center that's the way it was actually stated and this will be probably the only Community Center South of Central Village so it would be a useful thing and as uh uh kit noted and we will note at the CPC meeting uh when they come in with their application all the uses that it's been that's been made of this building so um we are looking forward to see your recommendation thank you any other comments good evening I'm Reverend Seth forer from the Westport Point United Methodist Church uh we're definitely looking forward to your approval uh to make the building more functional for the whole Community that's been our goal since we uh started looking at this project a little over a year ago um at at this time the functionality of the building for meetings and other things is is poor and to have this renovation done is going to open this up to so many groups and so many other things uh it's going to make a big difference not only for the community but for the church as well to be able to use it as space for uh rental um you know we would love to be able to have business meetings and other types of things take place there so for the viability not only of uh the community and having things there but for the church it's going to make a a huge difference to have this renovation take place and um we're just looking forward to being able to move forward and do that thank you other comments hearing none uh the public meeting is now closed um to approve any other comments from the commission comments concerns Katrina you you also mentioned the the uh the this section that protrudes yeah I think that when um the plan was originally proposed the suggestion that grogo had made in my head around you know just letting more light into the space and it and it it may just be we're dealing with the space that we have available and handicap access gets to Trump what we're doing um it just feels like we're creating this 10-ft alley that is this really awkward space in the building um but I I don't know if there's a way around that based on what we're trying to do I appreciate the support around the window because I think the aesthetic is important um from that you know just looking at it externally so I think that's great um you know just this little alley that we're creating um it's just an awkward space it would be an awkward space if it were my home to have right and it just may be what we're kind of stuck with because we're trying to improve the accessibility so that's that would be my only additional concern may I may I respond to that sure uh the church suffers from a number of awkward little spaces like that in fact there are awkward little spaces on the front elevation on the street side elevation of the church where um the main Gable creates creates a little narrow space it's it's this is not inconsistent with the way the rest of the church is laid out and I honestly think that um uh this this may be another case where if I had built a model we could have looked at it in three dimensions maybe it wouldn't be so bad it wouldn't be so bad yeah um uh it's it's hard it's hard looking at these flat drawings to get a concept of what that space would be like kit what is the dimension then the projection of this I can't quite read that um but that's projecting out it's projecting about I think it's projects out 11 ft and how tall is it you ask all these questions know computer fair I think I think the roughly 11 by 11 and probably a total of uh 13 feet high from the grade to the peak and you probably need the height because it's a staircase height well I've actually kept it as low as I can and still get headro going up the staircase right yes so the cornice is going to be lower than the main corus yes right and and I would point out that this I mean this particular view doesn't exist um because you're downhill right I mean from this side of the church you're you're downhill so I mean even if you shortened that even if you lowered that structure it would still you'd still be viewing it from from below from below um well I mean I understand your concerns Katrina but I I think you know given given all the considerations seems okay to me so we recommending that the window then gets added to this plan should we note that on the plan that would be my recommendation okay yeah okay motion to approve uh with subject to subject to subject to the change of the addition of the window on the lower level okay um is there a second I second okay let's do a roll call vote Caroline Bolter I I William candle thank you very much could you please mark up one of the plants with the window and I'll take that one sign off the other project uh that's right 1856 what's [Music] time all monitor yes okay anyone else Bill Ward be happy to Ward okay yeah I think it's going to be an interesting project I walk by it every morning I drive by every morning um want a p i want a p thank you very much um we partition over so you're right we need one monitors for yeah so so uh chip will notify you we probably and yep plans for the F these plans okay take back want extra sets we'll just take this set the monitors might want the I'll take these to sign off on the not a bad idea for the monitors monitors should have a plan yeah monitors should have I have a plan let's see is this the right one this is the one that's marked okay put this for the file thank you thank you thank you thanks Seth can I see the ones where the mark where the window is going yep on the plans so take a look at these and then I want these back for the files but then you have another set okay uh that concludes uh the uh application for certificate of appropriateness so now we move on to applications for certificate of non-applicability you want to um I'm sorry Garrett would you like to assign monitors to uh yes thank you for 18 1856 1856 Main [Music] Road um monitors for 1856 Main Road those are the um gutters those are the gutters gutters and fascia I can be a monitor someone else I'll be a monitor with you Trina and Garrett are monitors for that and then uh there's really nothing to sign for you monitor so just have these cut sheets so I'll just leave this there's no right okay and then uh 1893 Main Road they already have monitors oh they have monitors y it's just a change yeah new certificate same okay um those were me by the way good okay 1977 Main Road Kristen Wilkinson garage door replacement so they gave us a check so I'm going to return that right now because you don't need a check for a CNA okay so that's for you oh go to dinner and I'll give this I'll give this back to you when we're done right you want this back fortun that's a sample of the product um it'll be white so he didn't have a sample in that in you could [Music] have this so that's quite similar to the arrangement of the door you m yep and the lights are going to be on top on the top yeah I would prefer to do no lights if the board would allow at that garage has one two three for four Windows besides you mean the garage building itself not not I don't need the lights of the windows if that's a deal breaker then fine it's just the me another thing to break and this was the catalog cut so uh this is what you put a clip on so I'm not sure maybe you can tell us from the catalog cut the what does it say for model on my application just's application back um the one you have circled here yeah he's got it so this is that the one okay thanks simple Ford and B one here the ones that square the rectangles yes with the last 9222 plane um what does it say the no the larger one well is there a number model number on that yeah right here they've circled this one okay want make sure we're getting the right there's the model number 9221 9221 plane so there's one less vertical this one here 9221 got it okay 9221 this one here and what's so you circled 90 what's the difference between 9221 and 9621 no idea uh here it says it's a thermal uh yeah insulation thermal seal it's not nothing that's visible I guess no I think it's I think the thick of the door the more the mice will be happy and you prefer not to have Windows just have a just have a panel instead of the window that's what I would prefer if that's the deal breaker then I'll have the windows it's just like I said this whole thing is getting pushed because obviously you can see what bad shape they are in but I've also lost a couple windows in it rather best money yeah they're in and if the windows if you do do the windows they would be similar to to what here three Windows above each lights each could I see that you would prefer to do no windows I would prefer to do no windows I mean I guess we're looking at a door from I mean these doors look exactly like this from 1920s 1930s any garage of that proportion and they usually had windows so uh it becomes part of the design of that kind of a door um but um we're just dealing with um a garage door and if you look at garage doors all over the point they some have Windows some don't but the the look I mean of the classic uh 1950 1920 garage door has the window go on MH and this house is uh the garage is is set back pretty far from the road is is that right yeah yeah see it's well behind the here's the house we be okay so not not that far but but it's yeah it's not right 8 from here to here is a walkway it's proba ft and that's maybe six these are the existing and then this is the door design that they're proposing and this is what it would look like with with windows with Windows on top I mean if it was just panels on top it would just be simpler but you'd still have these verticals to give it some interest I mean I'm fine with just panels instead of Lights do you feel strongly about the windows I don't I just want to make that comment since um it's just a tradition mhm yeah any ideas no no I I have no issue with not having the windows I think I'm not fond of windows in a garage anyway yeah I mean I'm fine if we just have panels you um not applicability this is not yeah this is CNA you're changing yeah yeah yeah this is um go back to public I would think yeah because it's not like for like you're saying definitely not like for Li yeah like for like would keep you keep you on a certificate of non-applicability that's true so for like I wasn't the one that chose for that application to be filled out that way yeah well when we thought it was going to be like for like we thought it should be CNA which not require I don't really have another two months toit wait on this to order this door is 6 to 8 weeks y well if you keep the windows we could probably issue if we don't have any objections we could probably issue the certificate of Nona CNA if you keep it like for like if you change it it goes to a different that satisfies you yeah I mean it's just like for like is not a he like for like period that's going to satisfy you it's not board and Baton right now it's completely different well these would just have a little bit different style yeah look we need the windows we need the windows that makes everybody happy yippe because we're saying if if we want to change it then the the neighbors would be notified and they would be allowed to come in and comment it becomes not like for like it's yeah yeah um I mean I I I do think that the windows look better so do I and uh let's have the windows okay back to that let's have the windows um okay so I think uh with the windows I think I think we can uh consider this as like for like okay I'll make a motion oh no you have to oh no no public hearing but we you have to have a motion right we need have to move to approve it motion to approve I second let's do a roll call vote Caroline Bolter I krina Str I CH I Jarett stuck I Ward booney I William Kendall I it's approved okay so do we need monitors for this uh we haven't been assigning monitors okay so we can just approve it I'll get you a certificate of non applicability to you and to the building department okay your okay next item uh Levan Valentine Lane Arin oo represented by Todd Strunk replace porch railings is that um anybody here but okay good evening um just have a couple copies of photos thank you thank you this is Valentine Lane 11 in Valentine Lane again we have a check here that we have to return Todd returning this check to you it's a CNA we don't need to pay $50 can I have back Kristen's application that got sent down the table oh I think you have that Deborah do you want pleas yes you can uh refer to those while we're talking and then I'll take them at the end okay no do you have the application for you have christen's application with the garage doors right on top there can I have that back please thank you you have it right there that's it should be that's the application and pictures thank you good evening us us so my name is Todd and I'm representing Aon no um we're proposing to replace in kind uh the deck um railing posts and spindles um just as they are uh there's a number of different areas in fact I think there's probably about five segments that are in Fair shape but every every SE uh deck every railing segment has rot or uh substantial um structural problems at the post bases um I tried to photograph some areas the spindles um are giving way um even down to where you can see Nails exposed um and you can see at some of the like the light ballards they're completely you know the segments of of the railings that are um out from under the porch cover are obviously the worst right um but it has been you know it's to the point where all the the stairs are in definite need because you can actually just take it and and Shake upon entry so it's it's a safety Hazard too um but we're we're not looking to we're you know we're looking to to do these in kind so um you know we match the pattern on the spindles and the top and bottom rail conditions sizes and what we're planning to do would be to use a a solid mahogany with a an alide like a marine paint or stain um and that's pretty much it I mean it's a basic white um I think what is there now is um a semi gloss maybe maybe satin um it didn't really of course it's aged so I don't really know how like what gloss it is but um I'd look into that a little bit further um but other than that it's it's really just the the 3-foot rail sections and posts that we're looking at so we're not planning to replace any other trim at this time or any of the columns um I'm hoping that she'll spring for doing a little power washing Andor um light touch-up paint in other areas because once we get done with these if approved then fig everything else is going to be like oh you're going to see a stark difference so um that's that's pretty much it sounds good pretty straightforward Prett straightforward it is a like for like yeah yeah the same exact design you're just replacing everything yep down down to the measurements everything's going to be the same great okay motion to approve second okay uh let's do a roll call vote Caroline Boulder I Katrina Str I de chi I Jared stuck I Ward booney I William Kendall I motion passes thank you can I have the um photos sure the file okay got a there's a there's a number anyway so we'll we'll issue the CNA to you and the building department thank you very much thank you thanks for the pictures and the copies okay next item is is uh really just a report um so this was a um application for a certificate of non-app non-applicability by U Pam trip from 24 Valentine Lane uh she had a propane tank that was half buried and the uh propane company refused to fill it uh until it was moved above ground um and then she also is uh wanted to replace a French door like for like and uh the clerk and I approved uh that certificate um using our authority to do so so um did you get the tank moved it it's been moved it's okay good great great expense yeah I'm sure did they give you a free fill no no huh no what was there gas in the tank did they have to remove the gas they hadn't filled it so it was was pretty 15% left and had to call them today because they got to credit me for the 15% never but it's done now it's done good awesome thank you so we're just I'm cooking with gas oh cooking with gas that's good okay next item 1962 Main Road Richard and Mary Smith repair of porch B balls and decking hello I hope this is pretty simple um it's a DIY right no contractor looking at the cont at the contractor Smith is the contractor we have an exterior porch it's been with the house since the house is built and over the years in fact from the at one point we moved the house we return the house I don't know if you remember that but that's the original porch going back and some of the Banes which are mahogany uh are all roted up and um as you go around the porch it must be 100 B all the way around the porch um not a not a lot but a fair amount of them are rotted at the bottom like this where they meet the bottom rail um it just moist your intrusion so this is actually one that I took out um so our goal is to take these out and replace them with the same material and they'll be painted white again um the decking is pretty much the same the decking that's not under the roof part of the house um it's the same thing it's mahogany this is a piece that was left over that I had in basement it's the same stuff but this is also rotting uh where the boards join especially on the 45 is porch makes the corner it's all rotted out um and this is what it looked like you know when it was new when it was put down and this is the you know the wedded piece but this like I said this just a spare to show that we're going to use this is the same material we're going to use replace it with if it's approved and the same material just painted this will stay natural this will be painted that's when was this originally I'm just curious how long it took to get to this point where it needs to be replaced the decking or the rail the decking the decking was done 202 years ago um but it's always exposed there never been any roof over it and at one point it face that decking that's really in bad shape there at one point face East and now it's since we turn I it's face South so it's been exposed to the elements um and and these I don't know how long these have been there these weren't replaced when we did the work on yeah hundreds of them my goodness whole you got to be very busy there's a lot of them yeah the problem is is that these are not in these are not an inch by an inch they're an inch by an inch and an e so they have I have to cut them myself so um which isn't a problem but you're cutting what I'm sorry what are you cutting the Balan is are not an in by oh you're going to make that size so I have to cut them down from boyy so you're going to rip rip them you have to rip them I'll rip them and then um around the corners like like this so when you rip them and know I'll be around the corners I'll just run them just routed yeah okay it's because you want that proportion right or oh you have to match others you're not replacing all of them you're just replacing the ones that rotted so to match them so they'll match as you go along hopefully it won't be able with all difference right if I'm really good well lucky uh a suggestion it's wonderful material but that mahogany also rots on the end now from experience you have to seal that end and one way to do it is to use a preservative and soak it in the preservative that you can buy at Ace okay uh woodlife below ground it's copper it's the old cerol oh okay yeah and it has copper in it which is the fungicide can you paint absorb right up in can you paint over it yeah okay it's it's acts as a primer uh and um just dip it in the can mhm and that won't happen again because this is the bottom Edge and you could also put caul over it too just to be extra safe because they'll rot out if mahogany will Rod yeah that's y but if I can get 22 years out of this yeah that's pretty good he'll be the next guy but with my math yeah that's right that's a great hint bill that's a great tip it is oh yeah that's good to know thank you how long do you have to do you have to soak it or just dip it just dip it for well you can take a bunch of them and put them in there for five minutes or something but not overnight or something no it'll absorb right in there quickly but the end grain's always real problem and this is evidence cuz the all of the r is on the bottom once fungus gets in there and it keeps wet and it's gone I move to approve if we're done okay this is the uh November 12th meeting of the Westport Conservation Commission we'll Begin by splitting the flag pledge aliance to the flag in the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all no one p the Michael straight hand good thank you yeah okay so like we just discussed we'll start with our continuances is in case our first applicant comes in a little bit late so' got um continuance for John piver John piver is continued again Mr chairman I'm sorry okay he's continued uh to the 26 we invertedly put him on this meeting so we are continuing for the motion to November 26th all right so can we have a motion to continue till the 26th motion to the 26th second all right that's Jake and Kevin all those in favor all right opposed all right that's unanimous um guess we can skip right on to our certificates of compliance we've got uh Gabby R ROM five Bluebird Lane Ramy okay this is Gabby Romy he is the owner of the lot at five Bluebird Lane he received a notice of intent to construct a single family residents um he has filed requesting a certificate of compliance for the work to construct this single family home well septic and grading the state is stabilized with grass growing in all Disturbed areas the work has been completed in compliance with the plan of record this is file number SE 82710 recommendations Westport conserv Commission should vote to approve a certific compliance as all work has been completed according to the plan of record for Gabby Ramy file number SE 82710 all right any discussion if not looking for a motion Mo approve Jake second Jake and Kevin those in favor opposed all right that's unanimous if uh Gabby Ronney is watching sorry for gaffing the name um Stanley Sylvia continuance I mean I'm sorry think of compliance Mr chairman member Stanley Sylvia 282nd Street this is certificate compliance report is dated November 6 2024 the file number number is se80 2669 for this project the applicant has filed with a letter from design engineer supporting all the work has been completed according to the planner record the elevated home has been completed above the existing flood elevation the work has been completed in accordance to the designed plan erected as well recommendations Westport Conservation Commission should approve the issuance of a certificate compliance as all work has been completed according to the plan of Recon for file number SE 802 669 and in the record I do have an asilt drawing for the file of that finish Flor elevation of 22 ft above um flood elevation all right um on our see it's actually it's Stanley and Joan syia that yeah so it'll be recorded as Stanley and Joan syia yeah that's fine Stanley and Joan syvia any uh any questions comments anything if not looking for a motion motion second all right that's Jake and Bert Leon those in favor opposed okay Matthew nimous uh certificate of compliance for Christy soua 169 robbert Street Mr chairman and members chrisy Su a 169 Robert Street file number SE 82789 uh dat of the report is November 6 2024 the app has filed to request a certificate compliance for the sew Disposal system repair the engineer record has provided a letter in support of the installation is in substantial compliance with the planner record um the appan also had some activity along the shoreline the saudy pond um inadvertently did did some disturbance all that area has been stabilized the site is uh reestablished um everything is in compliance recommendations Westport Conservation Commission should issue a full certific compliance for the septic repair for Christie soua 169 Rober Street file number SE 82789 all right questions comments appr certific compliance all right that's Jake and Kevin those in favor opposed all right that's unanimous oil so the one hearing should we um continue I keep hearing someone creaking out there yeah I do too yeah let me just check oh is it the C you're right they are here on Tuesday okay thank you they excuse me they don't clan we can't say that on record Mr chairman the first hearing scheduled car cor Brookwood Drive uh it does require us to have the green cards provided if the applicant is not here with those I cannot open that hearing and I suggest we continue that hearing to the November 26th meeting yeah all we have left there a couple of bills so we'll be out this pretty quickly okay so looking for a motion to continue Carri carp and rad until the 26th you said Chris yes motion to continue to November 26th right Kevin and Burke B it was a it was a tie it was a photo finish and had it by a [Laughter] nose Dar it we are going to issue trophies for N More um all those in favor oppose all right that's continued all right so any uh any unanticipated anyone have anything the only thing I want to bring up for a discussion and and a potential motion tonight Mr chairman we have or we are working for an open space renewal our open space plan is expired and in order for some funding grant funding to be allowed we need an active open space plan um serid on the Southeast Regional planning entity has agreed to work with us um there is a contract or a draft contract that I have here so I'm not going to ask you to sign it but basically there is 25,000 in grants available for this $30,000 project so we have 25,000 covered through these um Grant applications so what I'm asking the commission again tonight is to uh make a motion to use $5,000 from our Wetlands fund to cover the remaining costs it could be maybe less than that but at at all costs it's not going to be more than 5,000 and also I want in that motion to include a letter to be sent to the board of Selectmen notifying us notifying them of the update and um there's going to be some subsequent things we need from the select and electing a committee so I just want to make that letter just warming it up so that we can have that on record so we eventually can move forward and uh get this plan renewed as fast as possible so this is an obligation to Ser to work with us through 2024 into 2025 um with these grants in a total of 25,000 uh so we would pick up the remaining cost of 5,000 um and cover that for the purpose of this renewal so I was asking for a motion so then welome for a motion for $5,000 to be use from W fund up to 5,000 5,000 sub from the wetlands fund to subsidize the remaining balance and also in that motion to include a letter to be submitted to the bard of selectman notifying them of our open space uh plan as well as them needing to maybe be appointing some members to an open space committee there two all right Jake and Berke those in favor opposed all right thank you I just had one little anticipated thing I was up in I was telling you guys I was up in main deer hunting and I was hunting some power l and a guy came walking down the trail at dusk wearing a white hat so I would just caution people that you know it's hunting season and wear orange especially on some of the public Trails like some of the land conservation properties just wear orange white tail deer but I I I said to him I I I said buddy I had you in my scope at 400 yards and I saw your head bopping up and down like it was not good yes so don't wear white in the woods nope Chris how do we do with the the la over by elephant rock and we open up the water oh yes they that that went very well actually thank you kin I didn't give you guys a followup but yes the Richmond Pond was opened to allow the breach to well it usually breaches but it didn't this year cuz it's been so dry so we basically allowed it to flush some Herring came out that was basically young of the year and some mummy chugs and stuff but so far because the wind's been Cooperative it hasn't closed itself in per se so it it did flow out as best it could because we not draining the pond so once it makes its equilibrium it kind of slows down so the area that you thought could have filled in is it staying open or so far it's staying open yeah but if we get a couple good storm we got a moon tide coming we get a good wind you're going to you're going to see that entrance area maybe get filled in so North Wind North Wind would help that too right would kind it kind of push it out absolutely yeah does the high tide come up high enough so it flows in from the ocean yes right yep yes yes so they just move the channel slightly towards the west and again the water wants to meander so it never likes a straight shot so so far that's been maintaining itself but cool but thank you for that update you also know we've had a humpback varied on elephant rock uh and also recently I believe a minky's on Gooseberry right now so to your point uh Chris this evening was the first meeting of the offsh show wi committee uh as a representative for conservation I sit on that uh committee and was appointed chair of the offshore wind uh this evening so hopefully we have a good open and honest discussion over the next couple months uh as to you know what really is out there we want to try to invite some of the companies in to give a presentation uh to the advisory committee to see really what's going on out there um as many people in the public have voiced opposition because they are seeing a lot of these this Wildlife wash up on the shores that they had never seen before um but we want to see you know so the public knows there has not been a proposal set forth before the town on any Landing um we will continue to monitor this and hopefully move forward with uh useful information as you saw that up toate information I just forwarded yeah and the environmental impact just basically yeah yeah went thr it a little bit Yeah so basically said that there's no link right there the I mean I think the concern and I think the purview that Conservation Commission has is obviously a lot of The Crossings and everyone's very concerned is how would that Crossing occur at the Westport River um which would probably fall into our purview one way or the other yeah and the last part of that is apparently there is a truth to the fact that this pipe or this conduit is very heated as well correct so in some cases they put it in concrete to try to dissipate that heat but any concentration and change in in some of these areas could be critical so I would be truly concerned that they need to look at this at again we have some cold water Fisheries that they have to cross all of them go across 88 and every one of them could be affected by this long-term thermal heat that we would not really necessarily see the impacts in the very beginning so you just need to take a look right now of those streams right now and with the drought we've had over the past 40 Days A lot of them are dropped down or pretty much dried up just from a lack of rain let alone any other outside forces on that so no that's interesting thank you Jake Jak is there are they doing the Gooseberry you know if they're doing in the CR the cropsy right are they going to be doing one on that I think it's a Micky right it's the one they always come in was it I ifw yeah they always come in and do some sort of review in the crops is that is that a state or a federal the federal entity I believe and and do we if it falls on our in Westport do we get can we review the results after are they shared with the local community would I I think truthfully I know in some of the other incidences they did provide the information the one on East Beach or for instance uh last year or something actually had smashed it was smashed in the skull area like it had a collision with something so they did have some ability to tell that right away so necropsy if it died of other means would be you know swallowed or ingested caused but I think again I don't know how you could say the pounding of the of the windmills could not be and how do you detect that in in a in such an animal I don't think it would show any signs of of distress well it show signs of distress if there's elevated levels in there you know whatever blood samples they take maybe they can determine that it was into some sort of stress or so yes I think you probably could and maybe the wind committee now could be formally asking just to have a dialogue or an actual um have cases so you can have some ammunition and know what's going on and the the only issue I see with that is um the wind companies have basically been given yes take permits that's the other thing so they are essentially saying that that is the cost of doing business they they've already allotted a certain amount of that'ss I did read in the origal yeah there is something within this permit that allows them to have a certain amount of impacts yes right right up to or whatever yeah so who who decides or who decided to bury that whale on alant Rock Beach I think it goes mostly with the their consideration that the easiest thing to do is to immediately get it buried rather than allow it track in the environment or float away so for all the ones I am aware of they try to find a favorable area very close and and bury it but I mean I think I make the argument that um a mechanic would say the easiest way to dispose of old oil is to dump it out back the easiest way to disos of anything you don't want is dump it out back if we ever found out that there was a farmer burying dead cows or parts of dead cows adjacent to a wetland protected area that would be a big problem I just I wouldn't want that dead whale buried on my beach well it it decomposes very quickly I mean that's how that's how a lot of that's how a lot of the skeletal remains gets preserved is through that natural processes on the insects do all the work and I know we did some at the the whaling museum as well as the Lloyd Center that's what the pilot well was buried and then they re-excavated it and they they cleaned all the parts and they put it together in a so skeletal all the ones that have washed up on our Shoreline have been buried in that location like okay no have they been taken away in some instances some of them are towed or they try to pull them but for the case of the East Beach one they wanted to bury it right there in front of all the trailer lots the people were flipped out so they actually tried and in a method to to drag it but because of its Decay it was getting so they able to get it to the town beach on East Beach and they buried it right there in the Cobble oh down towards the base towards exactly yes so if there town-owned or in this case the private elephant rock owners must have been notified and allowed them to do it it was done y so the minky there's a minky washed up over near Little Beach between the end of East Beach and they never did anything with that is it still there it was there as of at the end of August September I mean I think as a we're back to the fact that our Shor line is a tourist attraction whether it's this town beach the State Beach or the private beach and we're going to continue to probably see these wash up and I know many people are not happy over on elephant rock beach with what they had to do with that I mean is there a way in the highway department to take it away uh they're very difficult because of what condition they're in and then they become you've never seen the one in Japan when they tried to move it I've seen and it became explosive and it actually the gas built up and it exploded blow yeah because of the bloat and the gas build up and it actually it literally well in that case it was not quite but can you do other things yes I'm sure you could is the town limited yes they don't have like a an 18 y they don't have the equipment to lift it so again my opinion it drag it back out to the ocean but maybe that can cause damage to someone's problem could go somewhere else and somebody's going to say it's another no they years ago I mean you know years ago if a whale died it was a big story on the news a big deal very very rare and they used to um they drag them offshore yeah and they would actually they' machine gun them and they'd shoot them full holes so they could vent the gas and they'd sink sink otherwise they Flo around for weeks you know and it's a hazard so they would just just poke it full holes again just for off sure wind there may be a component to that permit that allows maybe some question to be answered is there a way for them to be responsible if that's the case then they come and pay the C right right corre but then again we' all realized that we may be paying for the cost so it might be cheaper just to bury it just like the to did it I went down and saw that whale and saw him digging the hole beside it mhm I got a picture my phones in the car but I got a picture of it there it was pretty big they said it was a juvenile and I looked it up in nor those do whales 49 ft long this one this one look maybe a little less than that but not too much less than that yeah I think they said this thing was pushing 40 ft 38 40t yeah said 30s or something still yeah or 30s 40 it's yeah well I big big I was never notified until I got a call from Ross Moran but I found it funny that the highway department didn't call and advise me and but they kind of have the authority to bury the Animal by way of the the international entity or the Feds that are there doing in cropsy so so that and they get a they get a per they they spray paint the animal it all gets recorded good yes again Jake can remember the one that washed up on Bakers it had the big writing on it kept moving down the beach so truthfully in some cases it would be beneficial just to bury it but is the minky that's new that's a new minky that's not an old minky that's off to right now correct correct that's a new one as that two days two days okay so there was one over the summer yes this one yes so there was at least three this year on our beaches including open Rock would that be four yeah that might be four okay so four okay okay all right in a year that you've never seen in 4 years so okay just just trying to get it right for when people ask because they do they somehow it's on conservation kind and I just think when they bury it and it you know and it's consistently cold I just don't know how much decomposition goes on it's full of salt water anyway and it's going to be cold and that thing is going to be to find out sing year yeah it's going to be April or May and that thing's not going to be decomposed yet and when it does decompose it's going have a big hole right I wonder how much cover they get over it how deep it was yeah again I you hope that over time that the water of kind of bring some back but where they dug it it's probably too far in Shore to getting any until like you're saying later in the year cuz you have the winter summer beach the summer beach is tranquil the winter beach is more steep so you don't get sand accumulation usually in the winter they dug it up and we did it yeah the dredging project is well underway and I've been out there a half a dozen times just kind of watching them take their Scoops and it is a painfully slow process in what they're doing they're doing it with a with a scoop it just kind of yeah just goes down slow yeah clamps it brings it all I mean it is it's not pumping not that's a that's a clamshell doing it oh yeah exactly a clam all right let's move the me Bo so we can get over sounds good all right uh we have um bills bills bills we have um WB Mason wait no no we have a negative $277 83 okay so we have a credit so we don't have to vote on that okay that never happens in government all right East East Bay Media Group uh $37.50 motion to pay second all right that's Jake and Kevin those in favor opposed all right um I forget do we sign sign this right vot on oh there's no cover there's no cover yeah the chair it's okay it's all right I'll set it the chair can sign um all right oh I'm sorry I forgot the receipt and not the um not yard form oh okay okay so we have another East Bay media for $61.50 need a motion we need a motion that's Jake and Bert those in favor opposed that's just a chair that's send that one all right so we'll just need the maybe what the cover sheet for this one I can use together okay yeah we use that one we just add the other boy Okay so we've got the meetings from 10:22 present were Jake Tom Bert can't do that nope and I wasn't here so can't do that one um meetings from meeting from 9917 uh can't do that one either and Kevin was absent yep okay quick with that I'm just looking here cuz you're looking at the names as I read it so you can jump ahead of me that's why I was only looking at who was absent so uh let me see uh 611 going back to June we had um Paul me Jake can't do that one either okay June that's gonna go on forever quite combination yeah it right yeah all right so those are all together um we've got our 2025 schedule here pass these around y um thank you anything else if not I have nothing Mr chairman okay uh confirm motion to adjourn do a turn it's Kevin and Bert second this a favor oppos all right thank you face North Face and then East face faces main road is in this sort of situation over here with an easement that comes down past the house sit here sit between us in fact I have it on my computer you can look at this one with me if you want I have a bad copy I'll give to you my printer ran out of in so okay so that's the sort of the lay of the land with the house the first side addressed in this document is um for certificate of appropriateness change in the South face um the existing this is the existing and probably the easiest thing I'll flip back and forth with the proposed we can look at the photos separately um the first thing propos this this big wall here gains two 2 by two windows so the fireplace that I was talking about is that that big Behemoth uh hunting lodge fireplace is on the inside of this so when we address the change in that we'll add these windows just for really character on that exterior wall but also the interior wall um the other another change on this is there's a a dormer on the upper level that runs from this line that you see here to this line that you see here and we want extend the Dormer so that it runs nearly to the end of this roof to tuck in basically is a 3ft addition of the Dormer to tuck in a shower inside of that inside that dmer okay and then okay so you're so there's a bump out so the little roof in the middle there that stays but now it changes it has now a door instead of window so here that's that's the third change we're going to talk about the one the one that I'm addressing here is really just this vertical line which is the edge of the existing Dormer moves to to the W right and moves all the way to the edge move to the end okay good um and then you caught the third third change which is there's a there's a double door on that that there's a little deck up here with two French doors there's change there's a a primary bathroom inside there we would remove one of those doors and then replace that again with a window that's similar to these 2 by tws um two over two yeah right next to the one French door that we did you have a photograph of the front of the house yeah so I I have I have photograph of the front of the house this is the photograph of the I'll start with a photograph of the that's the large South Wall that's got no windows that is uh viewed from a public way the river right so this is it's not from the river I mean it's there's a my back's nearly to the house that's next door um uh I don't know the address off the top of my head actually it's because it's on a different street there um but yeah the water is is sort of this is here the out here okay so the the West this isn't view from the water but the main view is from the the west from the river yes yes and this is the South View so it's seeing this really at an Ang yeah um yeah so this is this is the other uh view of the sort of that that what we were just looking at is over here this is another piece of that South wall and so this is where you see the Upper Deck with the um the Dormer that would be extended over here and so I think I zoomed in on this on the next photo sort of get a a closer look at this is actually from the water there's a um there's a little pier up in the water there I stood out there took this photo and then zoomed in on where that Dormer ends um and it would just be extended over feet there and then the last one oh and that is the last one okay so that's the South Wall those three changes and that's the only wall you're proposing okay just before we go to the next wall so all the changes are on the south that we've talked about so far so far yeah South face yeah and that's where the most changes are in this in this proposal two two by two over two and replace the fr and and the French door opens onto a is there a deck it's like a three foot up there yeah with the solid I mean the um the railing and all is is enclosed so you really From Below or even from the water you only see the upper section of that uh and you're not changing that that stays the same I see I see yeah you can't see really below that that rail yeah okay I think it's great okay everyone understand I understand so far yep want to go the next West face okay yep all right so all right so westace this one's a lot simpler um so this is West pH faces the water it's only addressing this which is the main body of the house um and it's the three actually Four windows that you see there's three in sequence and then one offset and as this is depicting they're different sizes they're they're they've got different trim out it's just it's sort of an odd set of Windows um and all we're doing is replacing that with four windows they're sequential and ins size um identical to what is at the top of the house right now the ones that are at the bottom of the house um are smaller which is a little bit odd these are small than the ones at the top yeah if you can see it better in the actual photograph look at this Photograph how the windows are so different in the trim trimming out the gang of three it's very Charming oh it's a great house but I wonder why that was done to begin with why there's so many different Windows they were on sale right no we talked about it cuz when uh we were looking at the job we went around the house and the house is meticulous and it's beautiful and that was one of the things we picked up and we just could not figure why they decided to trim those three windows in the uh with a different uh detail totally different from every other detail on every window in the house just for my identification which direction is that face so this is this is this is West here West yeah okay um so it really is this this is really just water the water yeah this is the most public view of the house this SP um so this is just taking those four Windows right sizing them bringing them together and I think do a gang of four yeah yeah it's I think that I think the heart of no reference to the Chinese Revolution but anyway here we go so the windows on top stay the same yeah yeah much more uniform yeah those three windows in the in the in the middle of that face today are centered on the fireplace that's being removed and it's probably why you know it ended up this way um and so with the fireplace removed we've sort of redefined the room a bit with the those windows changing yeah that's a that's a good change I think much more this is very nice rendering a photograph and prop Chang yeah dra yeah and so that's it for the West phase that's it for the west and then the north is not one change and then the north pH so this is this is intended to be a certificate for non-applicability um it's a change in the front door but it faces a an easement there's no view from a public way of that so the the door that's there right now has four small Windows across the top um it's rather dark in a hallway behind it and we're trying to open it up and bring more light into that door into that hallway I should say and so the idea is to swap that door out for a door with 3/4 light that has that will bring a lot more light into that into that hallway area um so basically a glass door so yeah it's not a full glass door but two3 glass or something yes yeah it's funny they call it 3/4 light but it's 2/3 glass effectively yeah again nice door the other door stays the same it's not yeah the other door would stay the same yeah the door he's changing is this one I understand that could go down what was that was the existing what elevation am I looking know this is this has no public view yeah this is North it's north north thank you you're wel right and in terms of the application I think you could include this change in the application and you know we could approve it as part of the whole bundle you don't have to do two applications okay all right I I didn't know to know that this is a CNA issue not a CA right right okay yeah and this just like a picture of the the trim deail that we'd be you know in consistent with the rest of the whole the yellow windows are more squared off we just felt that was more keeping with the house very nice really and do you have um particular window that you're planning to use okay yeah they're on the well so the Marvin it's that's that's an original drawing that was modified for these changes so that Marvin spec is was not followed at the at buil time oh um so so ignore that that that's on there so they are not Marvin window not what are they they're a Brasco window yeah it's a Brasco it's pretty stock window you know two divided light and that's what you'll put in and so so not specified yet ideally I'd rather get a double pane window you know with divided light um simulated divided light simulated divided light um just for the better installation and better window um we we do approve that window in the district uh the P window okay also the Anderson Wood right okay um has the proportions that are close to the proportions of the Brosco okay the Brosco has the real reproduction window it's always been used but um we've approved the sdl window and also the clad window oh you do approve the clad okay you sure okay yeah I mean the the fact is these windows you don't get very close to these windows from the the public way which is the water right you don't really see them very closely but so that's ideally we would allow us to to to change them um but yeah that would be big benefit to the houses just to get upgrade those thank Betty had a question from the audience is that okay um yeah Betty um I think it's important that they include all the changes in the application because this is signed by you and goes to building inspector so they should all be in there and you may not say anything about part of it but no we would have them do the CNA piece as well we told them to put that in as well even though it's not I misunderstood yeah instead of doing a separate CNA applications just put all put all the changes everything right um so uh on on the west face if you if you use different Windows uh on the first floor they're not going to match what's there on the second floor that's the discussion I agree and I I think we gota we have to match those I mean the specs have to be identical so it doesn't I don't want it to mismatch I'm more interested in that that you don't you all this trouble to make them consistent now and then they wouldn't be inconsistent on the second Flor so do you think you're going to go for all the windows then to really replace all of them that's a nice yes so that's the discussion um but I obviously that has to be decided before we we submit the applic I think I think part of this was to get feedback on just the choice of doing the simulated divide light um and I think given that there's there's you know potential to do that now we have to go back and then figure out what the final plan is yeah I mean I would say in terms of the the simulated divided light I mean this this is an important facade you know because it's seen from the water and and the simulated divided light really does look different right it's it's all in one plane it reflects very differently you don't get that sort of almost twinkling effect that you get with a with a true divided light yeah the the thing about the these windows that unfortunate is they all they have storm windows cover them yeah well that's that's what often happens with a storm window which is even to me worse yeah yeah that's that's what often happens yeah so um anyway so we'll take we'll take a look at what our our our best option is then considering the other other windows because I agree I we don't want them to mismatch yeah yeah I mean the ones that are that we've been approving like the Marvin Elevate you don't put storms over those and those are nice simulated divided light clad they wear well okay in the in the district on when people are want to remove the sash from an antique house then we require the sash to be replaced with the window that's made by historic window companies that make a historic window companies and some make them with the actual glass like you're talking about but you don't have that here with the brasos no so if I just to summarize so if we come back the uh the submission has the simulated divided lights we address four so that they're they're similar or identical even at least on this elevation on this face which is the public face yeah yeah okay all right but if you wanted to match the Brasco Windows you can have those windows made we can do windows right I me that's they make an sdl window also oh yeah yeah yeah so ideally we would get away from the the screen the stor window right that way you'll get away from that and your timing on this you think is what so we hope to start doing other parts of the project not necessarily these pieces within the next month in a month um so so when you get a building permit you have to have a certificate from us first yeah you know that so um and we need enough time to notice your Butters and provide public notice yeah I think we're putting in the application tomorrow so tomorrow yeah okay but it should be complete with the window situation too because the next meeting is December 2nd it is correct so it's coming up fast for the application materials to be complete I mean if you at least get the application in and we can add yeah I was going to say we add the you know window address the window yeah I mean just get as much as you can okay into that application because it's timing is really tight right now yeah yeah no we totally understand too that the project can't start in Earnest until this is addressed we get the certificate and and we get our our our building permit so y understand that okay now is it possible to like say like do the like the M scenary work with the demo on the uh the chimies and those things could I think Ralph would be the one to ask that that's without you're doing it without a permit and you're no no not without a permit no I understand we need to go I don't know could we it wouldn't make sense to to do two separate basically two yeah two projects two projects like can we do in phases like I mean the the chimney stuff is Interior right yeah it's all interior yeah so so yeah you could you could get a permit with without anything from us yeah I just wasn't sure if Ralph was going to kind of give us ey Cuz when we did apply for a permit originally we knew we'd have to go in front of on the board and we're hoping that you know we could do it in phases and we had talked about all these other issues with the windows and things we knew that would be an issue and uh we just didn't know if we could get a jump start on doing the demo and now that the the you know the inclement weather's coming if we can get the Mason and there start you know working on those those items on the interior work yeah I mean as long as it's strictly interior um okay noine and if windows are really important to you there're really good companies that make antique reproduction Windows there's Cooper Windows which is in Stonington Connecticut and they will make the window with the antique glass okay all right um Green Mountain Window is excellent in Vermont and there's Heritage window which makes a window they make these companies will make their windows out of AOA which is a special wood that has been um it's treated in such a way that it's hardly Wood anymore under pressure and whatever I don't know but it's been explained to me and it makes it impermeable to moisture it cannot rot or anything or even move it doesn't expand so it's almost like a fiberglass material but yet it's still a wood okay all right uh so that's the latest um and also that this company um Heritage makes a window out of glass it's this thick insulator glass it's called thermog glass it's like a thermopane I mean it's like a thermos bottle glass it's a gas Gap there's a gap it's gapped and it has the same r value as the Anderson window which is this thick and you don't get that look and and and it's they do it in an sdl and it has the same uh putty line and everything like an antique window you tell the difference that's Heritage yeah they're in Ohio but um they ship here no problem sure they do they'll drive it here okay all right great yeah and the price wasn't I got prices from them and they're not bad with the shipping and everything okay cool that all right this is file like tomorrow you think we'll be looking for that I think we'll file it and then Circle back with the specs on the Windows yeah yeah okay ideally we can do it you know in time for that meeting so for December 2nd and that is our confirmed date we change that we will see that's correct yep December 2nd yeah great all right thank okay thank you thanks for coming in okay just a couple more items okay General business monitors reports you know I've been going around to some of the um some of the project but I don't have an official report I want to do that next time there was so many items on this agenda I thought I would just table it to next time okay uh 240 Main Road uh Garrett and I are the monitors I checked it out and it's going as scheduled I which project was that um that well both of them the two houses the house that was raised up oh oh 240 did you say and 2038 yes I'm I have yeah 24 and 23 3840 um the house on what they were uh putting in the foundation for the addition on the back of the main house and also uh the the uh antique house in the back which is the cape the cape well it is a small Cape house cap um and that's been raised up one foot well six Ines they made a mistake or did something that it's 6 in higher than it was so the Wall height will be 6 in higher uh and also um I think people look at it and see plywood being put on the outside of the building and it's rather upsetting to them that's how it's done if you have a house that's plank framed you put layer of plywood over it in order to the shingles and it also reinforces the structure so I I know people hate to see the plywood but that's the way it's done in all restoration and then the chimneys are going to be replaced we think is that the no so um so kit wise uh did send me a a message about um the chimneys so they were originally what was approved was was um basically leave the chimney as is and they were planning to support it internally KY sent me a message asking or sent us a message asking whether we would approve the removal of the chimney and we said no and uh and so then he he wrote to me and said they're going to leave it uh as is so also report on the window sorry they're going to be they're going to replicate it replicate them it was demolished as part of because they had to Dem to move the house move the house yeah but they'll rebuild it they will re it y um with the with the same break breaks or similar brakes the the um there were original windows that were on the small Cape those windows have been removed and are being restored the window frames as well as the window sash is being restored by a person here in Westport yeah so kit sent me another message sent us another message um basically going through uh the plans for all of the windows and they um I think there was they're actually so he says Additionally the existing uh restored windows on the north of 2040 will have wood not aluminum storm windows um so that's an improvement um and uh yeah I mean I they're they're having um having reproduction Windows made I mean I think what what they're doing with the windows is is really quite good well they're right now they're searching for the right glass that has the the waviness in it um to yeah right anyway they're they're they're really taking it another step further they are yeah they are so um because that's really going to be seen from right there on Main Road M and okay yeah right so they so they say the windows on the west side of 2038 will be by Boston sash but will be single glazed true divided light which is great and we'll have wood not aluminum storm windows bet did you have a question yes um what are we going to do about the extra window in the front are they going to put that in the front of the house that faces the road the main house they are they are going to put a window the extra window there was I mean they're going to do what was approved well they were given the option and my understanding of the meeting was that if they found evidence on the inside that there had been a window there but they they gutted the whole thing so from my understanding they haven't found evidence and my question is are they going to put another window I mean I didn't like the idea of putting just because they thought there was one there at one time yeah but I know you gave them the option to do it and I was just wondering my understanding is that they are doing extra yes any other questions is the window off um Center was there something about the way the windows were spaced the window was off center yeah and they're going to now make it more even it will be more even because they didn't find evidence of it being offset well I think I think the framing in there had been redone is that right Bill the whole framing had been done it had um yes so we can't tell what was there can't tell when it was guttered out we could see that the framing it was 19th century framing the planks had been taken off okay um so de I'll give you these These are I'll put these in the rec okay correspondence with kit okay any other monitors reports no not right now um so uh next item is uh congratulations to Deborah Chi who's been appointed as the new um whc layone to the CPC replacing me congratulations to you then CPC would like to thank you for being representative oh well thank you excellent representative the time thank you I hope you didn't I hope our I hope you didn't stay at the meeting just just for that but thank you I have something else okay okay um I also wanted to thank Deborah for um doing a ton of work this month uh there was uh there was some document Gathering duties related to the uh lawsuit at 2015 and uh Deborah spent a lot of time well we have now an electronic record as well as a hard copy record of just about everything they're all in order so we've got a lot of good records now anyway I really really appreciate that and I I was in Australia so I wasn't really able to help can you give us a synopsis of what's going on with 2015 other than there's there's not really any new development it just it was just a document request yeah so I I don't have any news about it are they bringing us to court or not it's in court yeah before it's moving through the very slow process that is in the massachus no court date there's nothing now to report right now uh okay other topics Betty um I'd like to introduce you to Timothy Bryant an architect who is going to apply to join the historical commission he was on the commission originally he an architect in New York he um uh He restored 212 Cornell Road um that's been documented we I videotaped the restoration it was the first endoc chronology uh Pete Baker um brought in people from England and uh we videotaped that also and Na and Nathaniel Allen did beautiful photographs of the whole uh before and after so he's done he own 16003 do you still own that 16003 main road which you know is the only really the only building that's both preserved interior and exteror exterior um in Westport uh and he's going to rejoin so I understand there's no we understand there's no um position it has to be an alternate for yes we're we're we're full so he's going to re you know I hope right yeah no I want you to meet thank yes yes yes so you um yeah we would we would be delighted to to have an architect on the on the commission and um so the process is for you to write a letter to the select board and uh um just say a few words about why you'd like to be on the commission while you're qualified and and then I will do that yeah so as an accent to we're thrilled I looked up your website with all with your portfolio it's quite beautiful and impressive and we would be honored to have you join us thank you and I just feel like I'm here so I I can contribute that's now Betty said you were originally on the commission when when was that um well Pete Baker when Gerald deine was running it uh P Baker help with a house um and and and she said she should join it so I did I wanted to learn a little bit about what you guys did um and uh I contributed there were this was probably in 2008 or so um I also want to say my experience of being on the commission helped me with some of the uh presentations I had to do to some other projects Landmark Commission in New York and also the Beverly Hills cultural heritage Commission in California where I did kind of quite a major restoration of a house that belonged to the producer Robert Evans and that was quite a complicated presentation that I had to do so I got I I cut my teeth here now do you live in Westport fulltime or you back I was my office is still in New York but I I after Co it was like no one's there so I gave up my apartment last month and I'm here so 22 Grand I know we I actually looked at it on your website beautiful great spot thank you well my bike ride pass there at some point I'm happy to extend an invitation and people want to see what uh restoration of a completely derel house looked like uh and the effort that went into putting in true divided lights and and original glass and old material and brick the his period uh and also craftsmanship so all that experience I got an award from uh the state of Massachusetts the American Institute of Architects and I think I got a Sarah Delano award from whale as well for for all of that work so it was nice to get and the address it's beautiful 212 cornnell Road I also worked on the town Farm too so that was the thing that was going on so I did the restoration of that that got an award from the Commonwealth uh as well and that was something get whether Geraldine got me involved in that yes yeah I did a bunch of drawings for that so the sensitivity of working on older things um I me I I can work in I've been working in many different sort of areas a house in California is 1942 um but that's on the register of historic places in Bly Hills and they have a rigorous review process uh also in moito there's a review uh embar the monteo Architectural Review Board that I'm also had to present to so it's a similar kind of thing of knowing what is appropriate and what's not so I I have kind of a depth of background I suppose but I I don't see myself as a preservationist it's just when you work on older buildings you need to know what they're about and that's the thing I learned from Pete Baker uh and that's probably one of the reasons why I in love with Westport with all the old houses and things so I moved uh I first came here in I don't know 2000 uh and I worked on a house that Doug keer was involved in and he was one of there was a whole group of people that used to move houses and save them um and I'm like I love this place so still here so great we're thrilled yeah no happy happy to join in so having just that background might be useful I mean bill you have some interesting things to say about Windows there's always something about that I don't know about you know the the the plastic gutters but if you soak any wood in Wood penetrating epoxy or anything it's really useful to have and then the appropriateness of do you want to invent history that's what Pete Baker was all about and not standing in the way of progress but making sure it's appropriate so um yeah that's great thank you that's great bring all that to that very good thank you and that house you have is wonderful oh thank you oh my goodness I did you go in it when I have yeah I when you first when it was first open to the public yeah a after I think Geraldine invited me yeah it was spectacular yeah thank you well it's now I'm still decorating it but I keep getting uh uh ask whether I will open it up uh and maybe I will now I now I've some wallpaper up and it's it's it's on the way to getting finished I might I might do that but I velvet texture wallpaper yeah exactly that's what I was thinking yeah ex exactly so yeah I'd love love to have you all come over and see it if you're interested we we did a lot it was it was a mess right you can attest the that bill we can get also the video to you I can let you all know you know the video of the restoration and the dendrology and Nathaniel's pictures I mean the whole concept that whole thing was they were working with you was that was David's pictures pardon me David did the David Allan David Allen Nathaniel's the son sorry David his father I'm just I'm sorry I I have a box full of them I'm happy to bring them if you want to see them but uh I lost my archive because the computer went down but his son is going to uh let me upload them all and then David did some really beautiful photographs of the uh uh what's that on uh Adamsville Road there the U Farm yeah wait a minute I'll get Palmer Farm osar Palmer farm so I would say to David you know can you phot he never charged a penny for any of this so he took some very beautiful pictures of the uh po Farm uh and also of the uh uh of of that property as well I don't anybody seen them I think that would be just a fabulous if you ever want to do an exhibition his pictures are really beautiful if you wanted to have them up uh on Norm uh well Nathaniel has all the photographs and he he made a book out of them and it's really quite something to have and it's it really celebrates the heritage of Westport and some of these over the buildings that shot with a great deal of love it'd be great to bring over to the Historic Society it it would if you if they were searchable on I don't know what the sophistication of the website is good it's good you could have all this stuff there yeah it' be a great memorial for him uh he never really achieved much success as a photographer even though he was very very talented I don't know if you know anything about him but he taught photography at UMass for a long time and uh he taught friend AC an English teacher at one point and he just goes he's been here he was here forever so he brought some yeah he brought a lot to the projects so in terms of the documentation so Tim great yeah are you mention dendr chronology yes what did that determine uh what were you doing it on what kind of there was some large this is tree ring tree ring uh it was um be in the uh I forget where they took them I found a report recently but they yeah they sent them to a place a lab in Oxford and in England and they determined that the felling day was 1777 so I just say the house was 1777 U and the other house that I owned was both of the uh the Cory house which is what uh Cornell Road is known as but it was Cory Cornell because it was bought by the cor house some period and renovated that's where the Greek Revival portion is on there um uh the the the the house that was uh on Main Road um that's the Big White House on Main road3 with the um unusual window caps with the yeah um rustication or something the Barney Hicks house yeah Barney Hicks so they were friends U which is kind of interesting and that one's a little later at 179 that's a wonderful all the buildings are intact too yeah no it's remarkable it's protected inside as well as out Protect by law by preservation restrictions okay yeah you can't put Windows in it and you could do a little addition to it but all the walls are protected there are easements on everything and what's the date on that house 1719 and the barn is equally uh the barn is uh I don't know probably about the same time what I mean the post and beam nice post and beam probably later but it was a historic commission or the Historic Society has a lot of really great pictures of it the um the loges of the trips that were taken by the Hicks was in that in that corn crib they found them in there oh my goodness yeah I mean it it this is an amazing I mean the story the background of Bonnie Hicks is remarkable I don't know if anyone really knows you know he he uh he at the age of 20 or something he was in the reolution war and he he was able to build a boat and became Captain went and fought the British and was captured and escaped and then I think he lost his leg yes uh he got frostbite um but he escaped and then he retired then he did 42 trips to Sant Domingo can you imagine that and he retired at 42 wow incredible story uh and that's like that piece of History right down the street the hi are like about the whole thing yeah so um we look look forward to to to having you on the commission yes and uh I think you know this has been a long meeting motion to adjourn second okay all in favor I I I all opposed motion carries