WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=giYQJhTqPNU NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: giYQJhTqPNU): - 00:00:03: Meeting Opening, Minutes Approval, and Attendance Roll - 00:04:23: Seven Windward Way Deck Extension Presentation and Discussion - 00:08:18: Windward Way Public Hearing, Vote, and Monitor Discussion - 00:11:34: Pool Complex Continuance Request and Document Submission - 00:14:54: Certificates of Non-Applicability Approvals and Discussions - 00:17:08: Monitors' Reports, Rule Changes, and Howland Hall Renovation - 00:19:16: Howland Hall Renovation: Ghost Window Proposal Discussion - 00:31:45: Howland Hall: Reducing Addition Extension Discussion and Vote - 00:39:09: Public Comment: Chimney Cap Replacement Inquiry and Procedure - 00:42:41: Upcoming Wood Frame Repair Presentation and Meeting Adjournment Part: 1 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:23.039 Uh okay. So this meeting of the Westport Historical Commission is now open. Uh first item of business is the minutes of the meeting of March 31st. Everyone should have a copy of. I had uh just one comment under the 2 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:40.239 under item two applications for certificate of non-applicability. I'd like to add a sentence saying what that certificate was for. Um, and so, uh, the work to be done is replace white cedar shingles, replace fascia and rotted 3 00:00:40.239 --> 00:00:58.800 window trim. I think in in general in the minutes we should have, you know, description of the work a certificate is issued. Are you going to put that into the document? >> I can do it. 4 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:14.400 >> You'll do that as part of revised. Okay. >> Sure. Okay. >> Okay. Any other comments on the minutes? >> Do you want to make a comment about why it was this date because March 31st is misleading that took the place of the April meeting? 5 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:34.240 >> Yes. That's actually in the minutes of the previous meeting, >> right? But I think it should be reiterated. >> It could. Yeah, it could be iterated here. Um yeah. So maybe maybe add a paragraph. Um maybe in the second paragraph this this 6 00:01:34.240 --> 00:01:49.520 this meeting which was originally scheduled for April 1st um was called to order etc etc. Would that satisfy? >> Yeah, I think that's fine. Just so so when we go back and say why do we have 7 00:01:49.520 --> 00:02:04.719 two meetings in in March, >> right? >> Because you know when you go to look for each month >> that's why >> and and just to remind people it was rescheduled because April 1st was the first night of Passover. I think >> that's right. 8 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:22.239 Um, and by the way, I I noticed here in reading these minutes, um, I I wasn't at that meeting, but it said that the meeting minutes from the meeting of March 4th would be reviewed at the May meeting, >> which we did not do. We did we only had 9 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:38.160 the very quick, >> right? So, you didn't you didn't review >> We didn't review any minutes at that very quick meeting. >> Okay. So, we So, we actually need to review the March 4th minutes. >> That's right. um which you should all have received a copy of some time ago. Um 10 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:54.640 I I reviewed them again this evening. I I didn't I don't have any comments. They were perfectly fine to me. >> I don't have any comments on them. >> Do you want to take attendance before we >> Thank you. >> get underway. It's been so long since I've had 11 00:02:54.640 --> 00:03:12.480 uh so I should say that the um voting members present uh Caroline Boltzer, Mark Thompson, Deborah Chulfi, Eric Stuck, Ward Mooney, and Bill Pendle and uh Maria Bronco is our secretary. 12 00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:27.760 Okay. Um Okay. So, let's uh let's let's go back then to the to the March March 31st minutes. That was the first one. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes as amended? 13 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:46.080 >> I move that we approve the March 30 >> first >> first minutes as >> as amended. >> As amended. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I opposed. Motion passes. 14 00:03:46.080 --> 00:04:00.159 Okay. So, um then to the to the March 4th minutes which were not reviewed at the last meeting. Um like I said, I I read them carefully just before the meeting. I I have no comments. >> Okay. 15 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:23.040 >> I move that we accept the March 4th meeting as written. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I. All opposed. Motion passes. Okay. So, on to applications for certificate 16 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:48.160 of appropriateness. Uh, seven Windward Way deck extension presentation by Kitwise. >> Thank you. It's a larger. >> I have full size prints of this proposal. 17 00:04:48.160 --> 00:05:12.639 >> I just passed those out. You gave those to me already. >> Well, >> we have >> um this is very intimidating. Um I you'll note on the application that actually marked this as uh certificate of appropriateness or certificate of 18 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:27.440 non-applicability. Um it the the deck is on the south side of our house. It's definitely not visible from main road. It could be visible very distantly from the harbor. 19 00:05:27.440 --> 00:05:44.560 Um but um I'll give you all the benefit of the doubt and if you want to consider it for applicability that's fine with me. Uh this is an existing deck uh that we want to extend 6 feet. Uh so the new piece of deck will be 6 feet by 15 ft. 20 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:59.600 Um it'll have a similar similar railing. Um and uh it's really that simple. Can you call out the materials too which were not specified in the application? >> Uh it it'll it'll have either pressuret 21 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:17.120 treated um uh 1x6 >> 5/4 by six or um composite decking. >> I'm sorry. He's he's talking to me too. >> He's he's calling out the materials to put in the record. >> Sorry. 22 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:45.160 >> Pressure treated decking. Pressure pressure either pressuret treated five quarter by six or composite 5 quarter by six. >> Will you will you want did you want to say something? >> No, I just did you want to pass this. >> They have their own They have Y. 23 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:13.360 Do we have a photograph of the south elevation? >> Uh, yes. It's on on the on the first page of photographs at the bottom. There you go. >> Oh. Oh, looking north. Sorry. >> Looking north. Yes. 24 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:43.120 >> Read that a little too quickly. Okay. So, it seems that the the view from the south that you need you could see it. >> You you could you could see it. Yes. If you had a telescope perhaps wouldn't wouldn't look much different. >> Have very good eyes. 25 00:07:43.120 --> 00:08:00.879 >> Yes. It's the same level as the existing desk from the river. Even if you could see it, it looks exactly the same. >> Uh that would be that would be the case. Yes. >> Can you see it from the river? >> No. Very good. >> I mean, if you stood on your boat and 26 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:18.879 you put a telescope across the river to his house. >> Okay. >> That's one of the pictures. One of the last pictures. >> Thank you. >> I don't think >> pretty straightforward. Okay. So, um I think we'll we will treat 27 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:36.080 this as a certificate uh of appropriateness. >> I knew you would >> which requires a public hearing. Uh public hearing is now open. Are there any comments from the public? Hearing none. I close the public public hearing. Uh any comments from 28 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:51.120 commissioners? >> Nope. >> No. >> Seems >> I think it's very straightforward. >> Straightforward. Exactly. Do I hear a motion? >> I move to approve the certificate of appropriateness. >> I second. 29 00:08:51.120 --> 00:09:09.279 >> Okay, let's do a roll call vote. >> Buler I. >> Mark Thompson. I >> Deborah Gelfie. I >> stuck. I >> Ward Mooney. I >> William Kendall. I motion passes unanimously. >> Thank you very much, >> Kit. I'll do the uh certificate and file 30 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:36.240 it with the town clerk tomorrow morning. So, I'll email it to you and I'll send it right to the building department. >> Thank you. >> So, you'll be able to get going. >> Can I collect all these things from you guys? >> You know, one thing I didn't do. I'm just I'm just wondering about the 31 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:52.320 the hybrid meeting whether >> whether Betty, if she had wanted to comment. >> Oh, she'd have to put her hand up, right? And you'd see her hands. I mean, that's only if you had yours open, you'd be able to see that. >> Well, we'd be able to see it here. 32 00:09:52.320 --> 00:10:10.720 >> Could she Would it be signaled on her screen as her hand up? I don't know. Maybe we should ask her to put her hand up. >> Betty, can you try raising your hand? >> Oh, there you are. She is. >> Oh, okay. Oh, you've raised a hand. 33 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:28.920 >> Okay. So, just wanted to test this that um >> Yep, we see it. >> Okay, good. So, we can see if you raise your hand. >> Did Did you have any comments on on this uh application? >> No. >> No. Okay. Thank you. 34 00:10:31.920 --> 00:11:04.399 I need three people to sign one of these um plans so we can make this official. >> I'll use a small one. And do we need monitors, Jarrett? >> We need monitors. I would like to be a monitor. 35 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:34.560 >> Well, I'm right in the neighborhood. I'll be in monitor. >> I can be a monitor, too. >> Okay. >> You need a third. I'll be a monitor. >> I think just >> Thank you very much. Okay. All good. >> Awesome. 36 00:11:34.560 --> 00:11:50.560 >> Yep. >> Okay. The next item is uh 2015 Main Road Robert Brona Construct Pool Complex in Pergola. Uh this was continued from the March 29th, 2026 meeting. Um and before that I think originally continued from 37 00:11:50.560 --> 00:12:06.160 the February 6th February 5th 2026 meeting um they have uh once again requested a continuence to the June 3rd meeting June 3rd 2026. 38 00:12:06.160 --> 00:12:23.680 Um, so I suggest um that if we're so inclined, we vote to approve the continuence and this matter will be put off for another month. >> Could we also determine what date he needs to provide materials to us before 39 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:38.240 we >> Yes. >> see him again? >> That would be good. Um, I mean, let's set a date of u a week before the meeting. So, let's see. We're looking at June. It's June 3rd. Um >> the um 40 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:53.760 >> we have a calendar May 27th. Seems too close. >> That's is that Memorial Day weekend or is that No, the weekend before. So we could review what he sends. >> Quick look. 41 00:12:53.760 --> 00:13:11.440 >> The week would be the 27 Well, 28th. May 28th. >> Yeah, May 28th is Thursday. Um yeah, if we can maybe say the 27th so we have a few days I can get materials around to people. So the 27th >> 27th 42 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:32.800 >> that's a full week before June 3rd. >> Okay. So do I hear a motion to continue this matter to the June 3rd meeting? >> Motion >> with materials to be submitted >> by May 27th. >> By May 27th. >> Motion to approve. Second. 43 00:13:32.800 --> 00:13:49.600 >> Okay, let's do a roll call vote. >> Oh, Caroline Boulder, I >> I >> Mark Thompson I. Right. >> Okay. Deborah Chely. I >> Stuck I. >> Ward Mooney. I >> William Kendall I. >> Okay. The motion is approved. >> Now, he's not here to sign this. So, 44 00:13:49.600 --> 00:14:05.839 should we have him do it by email? >> Yeah. I mean, I have a I have a signed letter. Um, >> okay. So, I can attach it to this and that'll be his signature and you can email him that we approved it. >> Um, let's let's send this to him maybe. 45 00:14:05.839 --> 00:14:21.839 >> All right. I can I can scan it to him and have him sign form. >> Okay. Y can I have the copy of the one you have? Okay. >> Eric, did he apply for this meeting? >> Because it looked like when I read this, it looked like he had applied for this meeting. 46 00:14:21.839 --> 00:14:38.959 >> Yes, he did. And then we had that very short meeting to put on the record that his continuence was for this meeting, but then he contacted Garrett and said he wasn't ready. So he wanted another continuence without actually appearing. >> So we told him we'd take it up. 47 00:14:38.959 --> 00:14:54.800 >> Do we have any idea what he proposes to? >> We can't really discuss that because he's not here. So we'll wait till he shows up. >> And and the request for continuence was sent without any comment. So there's no >> We're in the dark. No new information. >> No new information. We'll get it at the 48 00:14:54.800 --> 00:15:10.160 next meeting. Hopefully >> that's done. >> Okay. Um next applications for certificate of non-applicability. Uh there was an application for a um fence at 2050 Main 49 00:15:10.160 --> 00:15:27.199 Road. It's the fence uh just to the north of the Pacqu and there's already a fence there and um the owner is going to rebuild the fence. uh certificate was granted because we don't have jurisdictional offenses. >> It was granted on the 6th. 50 00:15:27.199 --> 00:15:43.199 >> Granted on the 6th, Y >> and filed. Okay. There's two more that we should note that were issued between meetings. There's >> Okay. >> One that was issued today for Betty Slade at her home for painting and possible replacement of fascia boards. >> Okay. >> Just not sure if they will need to be 51 00:15:43.199 --> 00:15:58.639 replaced, but we >> approved that. Same materials, same colors. >> You and I discussed this. >> Yes. And then this one was right toward the end of the last period. 49 William Hunt issued that as well. >> You you worked with him on that. 52 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:15.360 >> Did that go into the previous probably didn't go? >> We didn't we didn't discuss anything at that. So this is the only one that has to be >> Okay. So, so yeah, for for the record, um there there was a certificate issued um May 12th, 2026 uh for Betty Slade to 53 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:31.759 um touch up exterior trim, repair, repair and replace facial boards as needed. Uh and then another certificate of non-applicability issued on uh on April 9th, 2026 to William Hunt of 2039 54 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:50.000 Main Road for um replacing rotted wood gutter with fiberglass gutter with similar profile and 3-in round downspouts. >> Okay. >> So, those are all those have to go into their files. And I don't think I read 55 00:16:50.000 --> 00:17:08.240 the address for Betty's house, but it's 2037 Main Road. Betty Slate. >> All right, that's all done. >> Okay. Um, no preliminary reviews. Uh, general business 56 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:24.799 monitors reports. on the monitor's reports. Katrina and I have a plan if we ever get spring weather again to do a tour around the point and get the monitor's report updated. So, we'll be doing that in the next few weeks. 57 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:40.240 Hopefully by the June meeting, we'll have a >> robust monitor's report. >> Good. Uh any other monitors reports? Um other topics? Um 58 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:57.280 >> the ghost window. >> Yes, the ghost window. Um I also just want to note that um at I think it was two meetings ago, we talked about um we did form a subcommittee to talk about possible changes to our our rules. And 59 00:17:57.280 --> 00:18:14.240 so >> you and Mark well Mark and I and Katrina um Mark and I met uh had a very productive meeting. Um, so we've got that started, but it's it's still in process. Okay. Um, so another item that just uh 60 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:29.280 came to us in the last 24 hours, I think, involves Howland Hall. Uh, the um what do we call that building? What's the relation of that building to the church? The 61 00:18:29.280 --> 00:18:46.240 >> the community center. It's it's the the Howland >> Holland Hall Community >> Holland Community Hall. >> Howland Community Hall. Okay. >> But it actually came to us as a result of a site visit that was the kickoff of the contractor which I attended with 62 00:18:46.240 --> 00:19:01.440 Betty and that's how this happened. >> And you attended that? >> I attended that as a CPC >> CPC >> person representing the historical commission. Right. And so, um, thank you. >> The historical commission has has 63 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:16.320 approved plans for Howland Hall for renovation of Howland Hall. And, um, we're now being presented with a change, a proposed change to those approved plans. 64 00:19:16.320 --> 00:19:33.039 So, that's what this is about. >> Go ahead. So, I hope I hope this these small scale drawings are adequate for you to see what we're proposing. Um, you'll recall uh that we're taking the concrete stair off the south side of the building and replacing it with a new 65 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:50.400 addition entry. Um, and presently behind that concrete stair there is not an existing window opening. And, uh, the drawings that I presented did not show a window there. and it was suggested by the commission that putting a window there would make the whole elevation 66 00:19:50.400 --> 00:20:08.080 more symmetrical. Um, and we agreed to do that. Um, and I'm not sure whether I knew it at the time of the meeting, but when I looked at the drawings, I found that um, there's a petition between two offices that come smack in the middle of where that window would go. and we were 67 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:23.120 prepared and have it in our contract with the contractors to put that window in and relocate the partition so it doesn't hit the window. Um it's going to involve cutting concrete and so forth in the foundation to get the new window in. 68 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:39.039 And at the site meeting we had with a contractor um last week uh it was suggested that um and I just heard the term and it's a very good term that we put in a ghost window. um uh to um 69 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:54.720 basically obiate the need to move the partition and cut the foundation but still have a symmetrical representation of what might have been a window there. Um and so the the first drawing shows uh the elevation 70 00:20:54.720 --> 00:21:10.320 that you approved and below that uh it shows it's not very clear on the on this small scale but it would be a window frame and sill just attached to the wall filled in with shingles um to represent what might have been a window. Um and I 71 00:21:10.320 --> 00:21:28.159 I included the back of the folder a couple of illustrations of these ghost windows. Um, one's up in the head of Westport, the other one's down on Drift Road. Um, and and it was done many times in in historic houses when they took out windows or even when they wanted a 72 00:21:28.159 --> 00:21:43.919 symmetrical facade um and didn't put a window in. They just they just faked it. Um, so that's what we're proposing to do. >> Would the Would the trim around the ghost window match the trim in the other 73 00:21:43.919 --> 00:22:01.360 real windows? Yes, it would. Okay. So you have >> so the window the windows will all have a casing around them and and a sill and we just put the casing and the sill and then infill in the middle with shingles. >> And is it different in in color against the shingles? So the >> Yes. Yes. >> So you would actually see 74 00:22:01.360 --> 00:22:19.440 >> the silhouette of a window. >> Yes, you would. I think it's it's more >> well on this. No mountains, just the edges. >> Just just the edges. >> Yeah, 75 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:36.600 >> you go. >> Okay. >> What's of a ghost window? >> What's that? >> What is the purpose of a ghost window? >> To achieve symmetry that the commission seem to want. >> I see. 76 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:55.919 >> No. Well, certainly it does affect the appearance of the building to remove that window. >> Um, >> well, there's no existing window right now. This is a big fat >> I know, but we've approved the design and we've gone through all the 77 00:22:55.919 --> 00:23:12.840 discussion of removing the petition, >> right? >> Or or just relocating the petition. And I can see it here on the on the plan that it shows that it is relocated. Um and 78 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:29.440 and it just and what's it's just the cost. Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. It's just saving of the cost and the disruption and um >> and function on the interior >> and and function on the interior. >> Well, there isn't much of a function change here. >> Well, it takes a little it takes a 79 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:46.240 little chunk out of out of the minister's office. >> Small little chunk if you >> Well, if I could just correct this. Um, when we were in the interior, the pastor was saying that they would lose that office because that wall would be removed and then if it was moved to another location, the remaining area 80 00:23:46.240 --> 00:24:01.760 would be a very tiny office and not as functional. >> Yeah, I'm not sure she entirely understood what we're doing. >> So, the wall would be completely taken out or No, >> no, just just the >> just a section of it. Just a section of 81 00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:21.440 it just to create a little jog again about the size of a closet. >> Yeah. Yes. You know, >> so a little carve out. >> That's right. >> This this little >> And you just put a door there. Yeah. >> You still feel like you've got the same amount of space in each room. Okay. She 82 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:38.080 thought this was going to disappear. >> No. >> Okay. And you have >> But you do have to cut uh concrete here. >> Yes. But you see, cutting concrete is possible. Oh, yeah. >> And all of these things were possible. And when we discussed this, we put a a 83 00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:54.799 great deal of time into looking at this as the symmetry of the building. And we thought this was an excellent solution as well as the the rest of this design that get presented to us. And I'm just surprised for this amount of cost. 84 00:24:54.799 --> 00:25:12.480 This would be something that um would cause this the structure to lose that symmetry. >> Well, the the um the motivation for doing it is not so much cost. We own it in our contract 85 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:28.880 with a contractor. It's all funded. We can afford to do it and it's not going to make a substantial difference to the contract or the cost of the project. It's really just a question of disruption and having to do work and create a sort of funky little 86 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:45.760 detail in the petition. Um it's more more a matter of matter of convenience than than costsaving. It just seems that when you do an architectural project, the amount of um disturbance to whatever these rooms, 87 00:25:45.760 --> 00:26:02.159 they're large rooms if you notice. They're not small rooms. uh and um is worth because it's going to be there forever. I mean, it's something when you do a project like that, it seems the permanence of it justifies a 88 00:26:02.159 --> 00:26:18.240 little inconvenience if that's what we're talking about. If it I mean, you say that the cost has been budgeted into the project and so we're only talking about a little small amount of inconvenience. I I just don't see that 89 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:33.200 as a reason. >> I I agree with that. >> Yeah. Why Why do you need that door there? >> U because it's it's it's it's a private office. It's it's the pastor's office. Oh, why do we need the door there? 90 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:49.919 >> Yeah. You have a door into the hall, but then you you also had >> I don't I I just there's an existing door in the petition >> and I just assume that there was a purpose for that door and the door doesn't make any difference really >> whether the door is there or not. 91 00:26:49.919 --> 00:27:06.000 >> Makes it a little fussier, right? >> Makes it a little fussier. >> Yeah. Yeah. You mean instead of having just a little carved out little, you know, closet without a drawer, like just go across there and down. Do you have a little notch? >> You could have a closet. 92 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:21.679 >> This may be a subtlety, but um when you do use a goose a goose a ghost uh window, you're actually confirming that you are uh classically trained and feel 93 00:27:21.679 --> 00:27:36.400 disciplined enough to actually lay that in. even though it's not doing any good to the uh to the room. So, in a sense, in a subtle way, it is an acknowledgment that symmetry is important, but we're 94 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:52.240 letting it go aside. I mean, it's a as you travel through a neighborhood and see some of these gestures, they actually can be kind of interesting. This may not be the place that the interest is really jimmed up, but >> yeah. Yeah. And I I think I mean usually 95 00:27:52.240 --> 00:28:07.200 a ghost window is done to indicate that there was a window there at one time. There was never a window here. >> Yeah. I proposed window. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know. And looking at old buildings, you see them often enough and and whether they're windows 96 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:23.279 that were taken out. Um but if you're going to take out a window, why why do you bother? Particularly in these two photographs that I show, why do you bother to to to ghost it back in again? Um uh >> but I 97 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:39.120 >> to maintain symmetry. >> It's it's it's a suggestion >> or a nod to its past. >> So ju just on on procedural grounds um I don't feel very comfortable I wouldn't feel very comfortable approving this without a a public hearing 98 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:55.679 which would mean it would be another month. Um I mean we agreed to to discuss it tonight and um >> but but I think it's a pretty major change. Um, you indicated that you had some concerns about your your schedule, your 99 00:28:55.679 --> 00:29:10.320 your time. >> I I I I don't know about what the how the contractor feel. I know the contractor is chomping at the bit to get going. >> And one of the first things they're going to want to do is order the windows, >> right? >> Um, and uh, it would be a shame to order 100 00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:25.679 the windows and then have you approve this change, >> right? Um but if it's that complicated um and that much of an issue uh we can with withdraw the request. 101 00:29:25.679 --> 00:29:43.520 >> Another uh point is that actually the addition of the window puts two windows into that room and makes it a much better room. Um, and if you don't need that door, you could bring that petition wall a little 102 00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:57.600 further over and you would have a closet that would be entered from this. And what is that room used for? That one room, the >> the one on the uh, as you look at the drawing, the one on the uh, >> the one where we're dealing with the 103 00:29:57.600 --> 00:30:16.080 window. Uh, that room is um I don't actually honestly know what that room is used for. >> It's an office or it's >> it's an office, a meeting room. >> Well, it just makes a better room. If you look at windows, if you put two windows there together, 104 00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:33.880 that's better than having one window from a functional standpoint. Just the feeling of the room. People are putting in windows just for that reason alone. are cutting holes in walls and putting those windows there. 105 00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:50.960 >> In this drawing, is this the door swinging against the window? >> Uh, yes. >> May I ask how old this the actual building subject building is? >> How old it is? >> Yeah. What What was its original? 106 00:30:50.960 --> 00:31:11.840 >> Um, it was built I believe in the 1970s or 60s. the the the community hall. >> The church itself is 19th century. >> I would guess the 60s. 107 00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:28.799 >> I arrived in the 76 and it was there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, I mean I I think I agree with Bill that that um it would be nicer to have that window there. >> Okay. And and that's >> we'll we'll we'll withdraw the 108 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:45.120 suggestion. That's fine. >> Yeah. And it doesn't it doesn't seem too ownor too ownorous to to um you know stick with the original plan. >> No, it's not. It's not. >> Um so having answered that question, 109 00:31:45.120 --> 00:32:00.880 another thing has come up on the church that I'd like to ask you about. The contractor we were originally going to move the well. The new addition is getting built right at the location of the existing well. >> The contractor had the good sense to go 110 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:15.120 to the board of health and ask if would it be all right to leave the well inside the building >> and the board of health said, "Oh, sure. That's fine as long as you can access it to service it." Um so in looking at the 111 00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:31.519 implication of leaving the um well in its present location and building around it um I had a second look at my plan uh after not looking at it for quite a long time because it's it's a long time since I developed these plans 112 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:47.200 >> and started pushing things around and discovered that I could actually reduce the extension of the addition by about 20 in. >> And that would actually let me encompass 113 00:32:47.200 --> 00:33:04.480 the well inside. Right now, as a plan is drawn, the well falls right sort of in the middle of the doorway to the to the lift. Um, but if I rejigger things and um carefully 114 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:21.919 consider access to doors and handicaps and clearances to doors and so forth, I find that I can move that face of that um uh extension back 20 in. >> And I know there was always concern from the commission about how far that comes 115 00:33:21.919 --> 00:33:40.480 out. Um, and uh I wonder what your reaction to our doing that might be. >> Well, I mean I think that >> did did we approve originally a shorter extension? I I know I know there was this thing where the extension was 116 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:57.919 >> I think I think in the preliminary >> um uh in the preliminary review >> um we had a positive reaction. There was even in the preliminary review there was a considerate a concern about how far that extended out right 117 00:33:57.919 --> 00:34:15.119 >> in in the hearing I showed that it had been extended even further >> and there was more discussion of that but again the commission agreed that it would be okay >> but if I can pull it back 20 in it's 20 inches of concrete I can save and 118 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:28.879 roofing and everything else. >> Um and it actually makes a a cleaner plan inside. We're talking about right here where this juts out. It would shut out less >> here. I mean, that's probably the direction we want it to be in, not going. 119 00:34:28.879 --> 00:34:48.079 >> So, it would be it would be >> This is the foundation for the new addition. Pulling this back 20 in >> makes it less prominent. Yeah. >> 20 that >> this piece here, Caroline, that juts out 120 00:34:48.079 --> 00:35:05.119 right here. >> Yeah. And again, procedurally, um, >> how do we approach this? >> Yeah. Well, this this I think I would be comfortable, um, I mean, if the commission 121 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:19.920 were willing to approve it, I' I'd be comfortable with that because I think I mean, this is something that we did discuss specifically. I mean, you're reducing the impact of um, of the change you're making. I think that's something that um could be approved without without a public 122 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:36.640 >> probably nobody would notice. >> Looking at it, you probably wouldn't. I mean, you see the same face that was approved and it's a better >> and I remember Katrina especially had concerns about, >> you know, the visual impact on the on the church and and this this would 123 00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:53.119 >> that reduces that. >> I only I start I only started looking at this this afternoon. Um, and I can't guarantee that we'll we'll do it, >> but I need to check the drawings and the dimensions and make sure that it really would work 124 00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:09.359 >> and provide us adequate access to the well. >> Um, >> but I think you'd have to give us the corrected drawings and then we >> Oh, yes, it would. >> Not without a hearing, of course, but we could, you know, sign off on that and do, I guess, an amendment to what we had 125 00:36:09.359 --> 00:36:24.960 approved to begin with. Yeah, it would be similar similar to changes approved by by monitors. >> Yes. Yes. >> And if it isn't 20 inches, it could be 10 inches. >> I think pulling it back is >> proven. 20 in works beautifully for a number of reasons. 126 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:40.720 >> Well, so >> Amen. >> Great. >> Um, Bill, do you have any thoughts about the >> No, I I think he's not adding on. He's taking off. >> And And how about the propriety of us approving this? Um I think that's uh we 127 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:58.000 do do not have to have a public hearing. I think you could issue a certificate of whatever we you know it's a monitor's decision. >> The monitor is >> I agree with that. >> Um who who are the monitors for for this project? >> Uh good question. I think we mentioned 128 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:15.920 it was you Garrett and originally it was Ward but I think now it's Caroline. Caroline and Garrett I believe are the monitors for this. >> I've been for a long time anyway. Okay. >> Um, so let me just think for a minute. So I I suppose we could take a vote to 129 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:32.320 um advise the monitors to approve this this change. >> Sure. >> Could do that. I feel so advised. How about you? >> Okay. So let's um do I hear a motion to 130 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:49.599 um advise the monitors to uh approve this um approve the change of of moving >> reducing it by >> reducing the extension by 20 in. >> Yes. >> So moved. >> So moved. >> And I I will I will give you 131 00:37:49.599 --> 00:38:05.280 documentation of that >> if we go ahead and decide to do it. >> Okay. >> So So it's a preliminary indication of a yes by the monitors. So I move that we advise the monitors to make this approval if it's presented to you. 132 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:22.079 >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. We have a second for bill. Um let's do a roll call vote. >> Caroline Ber I. >> Mark Thompson I. >> Deborah Chely. I >> stock I go I 133 00:38:22.079 --> 00:39:08.599 Oh Kendall I. Good. Thank you very much. Great. >> Thanks Kit. Okay. Would you like your >> um Okay. Any other topics? Any other business? 134 00:39:09.359 --> 00:39:25.920 >> I have none. >> I have none. >> Okay. Do I hear a motion? >> Betty, did she have her hand up? Betty Slate has raised a hand. >> Oh, okay. Betty, go ahead. >> Today I had um the chimney company come 135 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:43.920 and look at the chimney um and look the firebox itself. Uh he said that I was out of code um that I needed a crown and a cap and um on the on the chimney. And he looked 136 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:58.400 around at houses around and some of them had them and some of them didn't and one of them had um two bricks two bricks between them. He said that's out of code. I said 137 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:15.359 this is a historic district. Anyway, so my question is um I should I bring his um his estimate or what he wants to do before the commission because it is something that you have um oversight. 138 00:40:15.359 --> 00:40:31.920 Is that correct? And is there a >> do you have a I mean do you allow different kinds of crowns? Do you sometimes not require one or has this come up really? >> This has come up. Um, we, you know, I 139 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:48.720 think we tend to discourage shiny things. Um, so, you know, there are some houses that have, um, you know, like a slate cap. Um, >> it does it hasn't come up very often. 140 00:40:48.720 --> 00:41:05.119 Um, so, um, >> well, we had the one gentleman who rebuilt his entire chimney. That was quite a complicated project and he had to go and get he had to hunt down old bricks to do it. That was a very different >> This is just putting a cap. 141 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:20.400 >> This is just a cap and a crown. >> So stone is what's been used. Yeah. Basically >> 39 has two two chimneys. One has they're different and is because they closed one. I mean, 142 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:35.440 I I I I can't I don't know what to to tell this person and I don't know what to bring in to you, basically. So, maybe I can talk to someone on the commission about it, what I should be asking this guy to do. 143 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:51.839 >> Yes. Yeah. I mean, um, so is is there is is is this a something that will be attached to the top of the chimney? Will it will it just be mortar and and and brick work on the on the chimney? cap. It'll be a cap above the chimney, you 144 00:41:51.839 --> 00:42:09.520 know. Um, and some some houses have it. I've never even noticed it before, but some do, some don't. >> Yeah. >> Some are shiny. >> Some are shiny. >> Some brick. Two bricks and then a cap. >> Right. >> So, what is it that you want someone to do in a 1776 house? 145 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:25.680 >> It would be a stone cap. >> Pardon me. I I can't hearone over there. Stone or seeing you. A a stone a stone cap. Betty, >> a stone cap. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 146 00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:41.839 >> Like slate. >> Bring that in to the next meeting as a for a certificate of appropriateness. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And the meeting is in June on June 3rd. So, yes. >> Yep. >> I realize it. >> I'll process that. 147 00:42:41.839 --> 00:42:58.400 >> Okay. Great. Thanks, Betty. >> Okay. Okay. Um, Nathaniel Allen is willing to do a PowerPoint uh presentation on on repairing 18th century and 19th 148 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:15.280 century wood frames in the houses. So that Katrina had talked about getting that all set up in some way. So that's why I talked with them. And so when we get set up with that, I'll I'll ask them to do that. 149 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:31.680 >> Yeah. So in the um Val, can you confirm that that in the other room it's easy to do a PowerPoint presentation in the in the annex meeting room? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. So um >> he'll be able to present it on that big 150 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:48.079 screen in the annex. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Do you want to do that in June or >> would that be in June or >> I don't know what his goal is. I just uh sometime in the future ask him that because I we had talked about it at the last meeting. So >> I just wanted to find out if it was 151 00:43:48.079 --> 00:44:04.160 possible, but I don't I don't know when he'd want to do it. >> That's great. >> I'll find that out. That'd be great. >> Good. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Anything else? Motion to adjurnn. >> Seconded. >> Second. >> All in favor? I 152 00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:07.440 >> I motion carries.