Hello, this is Jeff Bull at the May 26th meeting of the landing commission. We will start as we oftenimes do with the pledge of allegiance. >> I alian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Um, item three, we're going to skip item two until Sean gets here. Xbridgeidge
floats. Uh the piling didn't get put in when the floats got put in, but I've been in touch with the highway department and we think that we can just press a pipe into the sand because this is a temporary thing until this bridge gets fixed. So
that's our intention of what we will do at some point is the idea is we just need some way to anchor the floats so the water comes up five feet and the beginning of the float that's sitting on the beach now that is secured
and doesn't move because it's on the beach will start to float and could twist and break up the whole thing. So that's the current plan. >> The purpose of these floats These are the floats that the public
gets in and out of motorboats or rowboats or whatever at Hicksbridge. >> Okay, >> it's those floats, the new ones that we bought a couple years ago for the town. Uh item four, update on the overnight
parking fine. uh that was approved at town meeting. I am told that because it was a bylaw change that it has to go through some level of approval of the state and that when I called about that
last week it had not yet happened. Uh but I'm what I'm not clear about and it was not in the short meeting I had with the town administrator. It wasn't clear to me whether
the select board has the ability to go ahead. When we voted on that it seemed like we voted also to authorize the select board or possibly the landing commission to set fines in the future. Um so But I'm not
sure. Has it come before the select board to increase the fine for not unpermanent parking? >> Well, it came before the town meeting. So, I don't know why. >> You talk about
>> what we voted on at town meeting was was overnight parking. I'm pretty sure I but I think we also voted >> I didn't understand the legal ease of it. Uh, but I think we've also voted. So, it sounds like the select board has
not met recently to increase the fines at the town beaches or anywhere else. >> Um, I I'd have to recall it. I thought we did. Uh, >> I thought you did, too. >> All right. >> Not too long ago.
>> We'll find that out. >> I'm actually meeting with the select board on May 2nd about >> the uh about the progress on fixed bridge land and grant proposal. >> So, we'll get clear about that then.
Um, but at this point, I'm I'm comfortable having the highway department print signs that say $200 fine. That'll happen. Number five, landing use applications.
I have a more completed application from Warwa. It doesn't have the signature of the town administrator. It does have signatures for health and the police officer. Um
nothing from the highway department or harbor master which probably don't need to be done. We had said we would approve this pending sign off by what we thought. At some point it would be good to really think
about this form and is it overly ownorous? I mean do we need to also have the signature of the town administrator along with all these other people. Um you seen this form?
>> Yeah. Last year. >> Yeah. A lot of lot of signoffs. But on the other hand, and I think I mean my sense is I'm I'm comfortable going ahead and approving this. Uh but I'm also aware that there
are events occurring because we have an application of the uh a group relative to the 250 group who are bringing a
replica of a small sailboat that Paul Cuffy used to go back and forth to Nucket. It's going to be a great big deal down at the point in August. >> And there will be a large yacht tied up in town that's going to sort of help
manage this boat. There's actually a film being made about this. And there's going to be event two-day event at the point >> in August. >> Yeah. >> That I'm sure the select board has heard about and has sort of approved. And I
was surprised that nobody asked us. And the point that was made to me was that they were going to hire parking up the hill and not allow people to come down who were there just to look at what's called a shallop, which is the sailboat.
>> On the other hand, I've heard people of express concern about their ability to use the landing on that weekend and why weren't we brought into the loop? Because when I heard about this, I said to one of the organizers who are all
very well-meaning. I said, "What happens if 300 people show up?" You know, "Well, we don't I said we don't expect that many." I said, "Yeah, but what are you going to do if really a lot of people show up?" And because that could
actually create some problems, >> some traffic problems on the road and down at the point. and you know if you're actually going to let citizens who are just trying to get to their boat or just trying to get to the so it hadn't occurred to them that it
would be that popular. Um and and so I said to them, well, you might want to place some limits on it. In other words, if you if you're thinking about how many people can you reasonably handle down there because it's going to it's going to occur mostly on the property of the
pack we duck in. um you know how many humans can stand on the dock and in their backyard, you might want to limit the parking to 50 cars and that limits the number of people. And they were like, "Oh,
good idea, huh?" And that's why having a form like this and getting a little bit more input from people sometimes makes sense. um um uh that the Shallop committee has submitted an application
to us. They were scheduled to come here and then there was a medical problem so they're not here. Uh and I think we're going to go ahead with that. I think it's just useful and but their their point was we're not using the town parking. And I said,
well, there's 100 people showing up. Are they going to walk across the parking? like what counts as use um down there is kind of worth thinking about because obviously when it came
before the select board you may have said are you going to serve food and they said no so you don't have to talk to the board of health I don't know if it occurred to the select board to say have you spoken with the landing commission >> no well you wrote on this right >> email >> right
>> yeah you you were over we were overlooked we landing commission was overlooked. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> So, >> but I thought you said you'd circled back and got more. >> Yeah. And I've been in touch with them and they're thinking about it, but I think it just brings up a larger issue of
>> uh how do we >> what what do we do to to become part of the agenda? Uh and and that's a good reason to have that many people sign off on these things. So, >> is that the same form the young lady had
when she presented? >> Yes. For yoga. >> Yeah, the same form, >> right? Exactly the same form. >> And we only deal with it a couple times a year, so it's not that ownorous to deal with. Um, and I mean, were was surprised they were even required to fill out the form. And I was like, well,
yeah, you do. Um, so and I'm sure in the past some people have used there was some sort of martial arts fitness class meeting at the head of Westport
for a while that nobody even knew about. They were just showing up in uh and we never tracked them down or anything. But uh I think particularly for large events, it's worth trying to create some
accountability. >> People have an idea about how to make that happen with the select board more often. Are you on the uh mailing list for the select board agendas? >> Uh
I was getting them for a while. >> Yeah. the we the neighborhood association of Westport Point our secretary I'm not active at the organization my wife is >> she gets that every week >> and we send it to 200 people >> oh
>> and I when I read your email about shallop thing I was thinking about that if you get on the list >> at least every it's usually every Thursday or Friday you'll get >> right >> you'll get the blast I guess they call it right email blast and you'll have it
and then you'll have look at and make sure it is. >> But that would require that I be diligent about opening that email and looking at that. >> Well, not to put work on somebody. That could be the secretary's function. It would an organization. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> That's it's a >> Yep. >> likely.
>> Or I could just get it forwarded to everybody else and one of us might look at it and say, "Hey, wait a second." >> Yeah. >> All right. That's a good idea and we'll follow through about that. I don't think that's foolproof, but it's it's a start. Y get everybody talking
about it and it'll help. >> Item six is scheduling a ribbon cutting ceremony. I spoke with the highway department about would lunchtime be
better than 3:15 when they're going off at 3:30 for the day and They thought that they would be dirtier at 3:15 from their hard work all day. And I said, "But that's okay. I mean, it's going to be a going to be a picture
from a distance." Um, and you're hardworking guys, that ought to be okay anyhow. So, and I said it might be just easier to corral them because if they're up at the north end working in the middle of the day, it's harder to get them to come down. So they kind of
agreed that the end of the day would be better. Um I haven't been able to set a time with them. So I'm not sure but might be useful to find out from which days of the week any of you are particularly
more or less available and we don't necessarily all have to be there but it would be nice if some people were there. And Mr. Brewer, you're certainly invited. >> Thank you. I'll try to make it. >> Are there particular
>> My only Wednesdays and grandchildren babysitting, so I'm not around on Wednesdays. Okay. >> Other than that, if I know about it, I can schedule for it. >> Okay. >> So, and >> I have no idea, >> right?
>> My schedule varies day to day. Um, >> do you have a rough idea of when this is going to take place? >> Uh, probably not for two or three weeks just because
we have to get signs printed and Evan is going on vacation. The highway department's going on vacation. They're in the middle of some big project in the north end right now. So, but I will be in touch with people and try to organize something.
Um, the next item, let's skip over until Sean gets here. Um, item eight, I'm going to be going to the select board meeting on May 2nd to report on
progress with the grant proposal and design. June. >> Pardon me. >> June 2nd. >> Oh, yeah. >> I was wondering if you'd already met when you were reporting on this, >> but you're talking about a future meeting, >> right? Yep. >> I thought you meant June. >> Yep. My mistake there on the agenda.
>> June 1st. >> Is it June 1st? >> June 1st. We have a select board meeting. That's next. >> Okay. June 1st. >> Thank you all for that. Anyhow, >> are you coming to the meeting? Yeah, because I'm supposed to be reporting about the progress because the town planner cannot come.
>> Oh, okay. >> So, I will be coming to that meeting and I'm just wondering other than issues of just reminding them again that we're still not clear and hopefully when Sean gets here he can make us more clear.
Is the landing commission responsible for the laneway at East Beach because it is an access point to the ocean? And if not, who in town is? And and who in town will be taking care of these things? And
there he is. Um, so I'm I will just raise that issue again that that these are things that are easier to deal with sooner rather than later. >> Um, and that there's properties where
there's lack of clarity about, you know, who owns it, who's responsible for it, etc. Good to see you, Mr. Leech. >> Sorry I'm late. >> All right. No, you're a working man. That's important. Uh
>> so we are on item eight of the agenda. We have jumped over a couple of things. Um but if we could just back up to number seven since we were sort of talking about that and you have the pictures in front of you which I've already sent to
you. Part of what I want to speak with the select minute on the 1st of June, I'm told it's uh who's responsible is to what extent is
the landing commission responsible because of sort of how the town bylaws are written and if not who's going to take care of these issues so they don't become more problematic in the future. um and just realizing they're difficult and timeconuming and
um so before that and I I said well didn't at the beginning of this meeting didn't the landing commission used to own the bridge above and it was pointed out to me know that that's all filled land so
is that when that was filled it just belonged to the state but somewhat under the management of the town so the landing commission really only has a relationship of saying in general the parking is overloaded there and
there's possibility of more parking there. We think the town ought to do something about improving that. >> That's >> I don't disagree. I don't disagree with any of that. >> That's sort of the deal is we we're just >> Yeah.
>> butter. >> Yeah. >> That is aware of a problem because of what else we do. >> Right. Okay. Well, originally it was the right away for the bridge, right away for main road, which bisected the town landing >> at the time, 1890s. Uh,
so all that essentially it was under the town purview. The licenses granted to the town was funded. The bridge was funded back in the 1890s. The original bridge was funded uh as part of this. And Lewarf didn't touch it at the time.
Mhm. >> It does now cuz in the '90s it got filled in along to the bridge up to the bridge abutment. Uh so the town I think I went over this with the last meeting did not abandon they only discontinued the public right away.
>> Right. So if the town currently you can only say safely park two pickup trucks on it. Well, you can park four, two behind the others, but it basically the two borders of it, those red lines have been crumbling as unimproved land does.
So, I had suggested that the town consider and I've spoken with the highway department. They said, "Yeah, no big deal to kind of reinforce that so it doesn't crumble and reexpand that to three parking places." uh at which point because it's such a long parking area
potentially become six if people park each other in for events or whatever. So I will just mention that to the town and they will think about do they want to go into that as a project.
>> I think even if you squared it off you pick up a couple of parking spots. Uh more importantly, uh you're not going to get ever going to get enough parking for what you need down to Westport Point >> in any way, shape, or form.
>> Also just felt that by improving it and striping it and paving it just makes it sort of a way of the town reclaiming that property is as public property. Moving on to East Beach.
You have two different ones there. Let's look at the one down the road first. >> Do you have the assessor's map of this? >> This isn't like this. >> Yeah, the assessor's map isn't right on
the uh Oh, on which one? On >> you mean the GIS? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they Yeah, the assessor's map isn't correct on that. Uh that's >> because it is taxed too. Um or a good portion of it is taxed. >> Well, yeah, they they just because they
just assumed that's the way it was because it makes it a lot nice and square. In other words, >> actually it doesn't. It sticks out. >> Yeah. It's kind of a strange situation. I don't know why. >> I think because of the chapter 91. >> Yeah. >> Um that the town was given the wolf was
given permission to utilize that area in the filing. the recent the most recent filing from the state. >> Well, no. The the most recent filings on the all the licenses for Lee's Wararf allowed them to fill in the area in
front of the warf which was water, >> right? >> Uh there's a culvert there uh that goes underneath there. Uh but what it what it allowed to do was it allowed an exclusive use to basically what they never had before was the deck
for the bridge. In other words, the deck for the original bridge is the same level at what Lee's Wararf was. And there's still some supports there. And the supports part of the license was to let them use the the existing deck that was never licensed basically. >> But it didn't do anything about the
ramp. The ramp was completely separate because it never touched anything except town property and the town war. >> The deck wasn't there at that time at the time of the filing in you said '9s >> in the early 90s. I can't remember. deck was long gone before that. So, it
wouldn't have they wouldn't have given permission to use the decking. >> Well, the decking was long gone, but what happened was they filled in up to the supports, the supports that are there, the steel supports on the other side of these warf uh at the time going
back 100 years, they connected the two without a license to do that. And then the license gave them the ability to do that. >> Yeah. I think they're thinking the decking is this the bridge what you're referring to the bridge abutment as something different than the decking.
>> The bridge abutment is newer than the decking that was there originally for Lee's Wararf because the original bridge was at water level and was a crank bridge. The newer bridge that was replaced was a little higher. That's why the ramp was built up.
the newer bridge being >> the original decking was uh all the decking was gone. Even in the 90s there was no decking. >> No, no, but it was there in >> definitely. No, >> I used to fish off it all the time. It was always there. It was attached to
the steel and there used to be boats there too. >> There were boats. I remember there been water there. Not so much a deck. Um >> he shows up on the nights playing. When you folks are talking about a deck, are we talking about the kind of deck that I
have at my home? Like a deck deck or is this >> Well, yeah. So, so you had you had Lee's Warf, you had the bridge, you had Lee's Wararf, and what happened was it was like a back in the 1890s was like a 8ft gap between the two. So, what happens was they connected them
>> to connect the wararf to the bridge. >> Yeah. >> Whoever did it, whether the state did it or the Lewarf people did it. This is before Lee's Warf. It was Mayhew and Holland and all that. >> You could walk off the second floor here out onto the bridge. >> Yeah,
>> I think I think that was intentional for just to help unload and load things. I don't know why they did it. >> They Yeah, they were >> wasn't part of any of the licenses though. It's not unlike the town warf where they built the decking out from the town warf and they no license for it.
>> It just made it easier to pull the boats up and that kind of thing, >> right? So obviously because this recent back and forth I only understood at best half of that. So and I don't need to because this really isn't our responsibility on some level.
Uh but >> correct >> it's something that I we can encourage the select board to make a statement. I do know that the tax assessors are in the process of re it's one of the items they're correcting in the GPS drawings.
They're in the process of fixing that >> because it's been taxed that way for years. And um well, we'll see what they come up with. >> Oh, so what you're saying is there might in other words, what you're saying is this property, the the the oyster
business is paying tax on this parking. >> Huh. >> I don't think they are. >> So, there'll be lots to discover here, won't there? in their square footage. >> So, there'll be lots to measure and figure out.
>> Thank you for that part of it. >> Can we move on to East Beach Road? This one, it's currently marked as resident access. There's kind of a wooden handdrawn sign. >> Yep. and
uh it's showing as at least 20 feet wide. It's not 20 ft wide now, suggesting and I couldn't tell which property has encroached upon it. Um I'm not aware that this is a landing
commission. >> It's a It's a town landing and it has a plan. >> It's a town landing with a plan. >> It has There is a plan downstairs. >> Okay. So what's unclear to me because in my very early days in the
landing commission I was told that the land commission was only responsible for properties that were actually deed to the landing commission and there's only four of those. Uh but that may have been incorrect. There's also things in the town bylaws that says the landing
commission is responsible for all the landings in town. So uh so then if that's the interpretation at some point we are remiss about not pointing out
this is a public property right >> it's in the it's in the landing reports early landing reports it is mentioned and there is a plan >> right >> downstairs >> uh and it's a question as to whether it's 24 or 20 because it bounces back and forth I believe it's 20
>> I don't believe it's 24 shown some places 24 Right. >> Uh but this is before 1938. This is all well established. >> Right. Okay. But it's definitely not 20 right now and it's not marked as public. It's marked as resident.
>> So one of my questions to the highway department is well one is just like the bridge abutment but different. Do we have responsibility over this or is this a select board responsibility?
So that I will bring that up with them on June 1st. And then your suggestion was that we could put stripes sort of on half the road that says public access with an arrow or something. >> Yeah. I mean, that's the only thing
that's going to stay. >> Mhm. >> Regardless whether somebody pulls it out or a wave takes it out, it's the only thing that's going to stay >> uh is the road, >> right? And I think that >> I don't know how usable is as a landing, per se. You can't park there. >> Uh,
>> technically you can't you couldn't pull a car in there though did. Uh, you could definitely >> So I don't know where you would park to launch. >> If it was 20 ft wide, you could pull in, right? Cars only need 10 ft. >> Yeah, it's 20 ft wide for about 15 ft and then it drops off into the ocean,
>> right? But you could pull in and launch a boat. I think realistically probably somebody is not going to use it. But I think it's worth making the point to the abuters of what the property lines are. And should it become
important at some point in the future when something else happens to each speech, it might be useful just to be have made the point that this is public and not just let it go. That's that's my concern. But that's helpful to know that it is a
landing. Moving on to the third page. That one. These are my little red stripes. By the way, these are not in town. >> Is that a town landing? >> No.
>> Is that a paper street? >> It is a paper street and it was used as a boat ramp for the the house that was up there that was uh the Pierces used to launch up skiffs there all the time. >> So, I was going to say there's another
one down here at Grove Avenue. Right. >> The Grove Avenue is a public layout, believe it or not. That is a publicly accepted road. >> So, realistically, the public and there's no no parking signs, but a public someone could park there and
>> I would say back in the water. I say that doesn't exist because this roadway that comes off of Grove Road that perpendicular to it which is I think it's Shore Road is the name of >> I've driven to this house there. The house that's east of Grove Avenue >> not on the beach side because that's all
gone. >> No, no. I' I've gone down I mean it's basically their driveway. >> Grove Avenue is the driveway for this house. This is what's washed out. >> Yeah. G Shore Road is doesn't really exist. There are a couple of trailers to
get trailer permits that own what is lot 127. I believe it's uh >> Shore Road is the one that's parallel to East Beach Road. >> Yeah, it barely it barely existed. It's just barely above the high water mark. >> But Grove Avenue still exists, >> right? >> So conceivably a human could park a car
on it and put a kayak in the water. >> Yeah. >> Or fish there. >> Actually a pretty nice beach there. But it right where it angle points there, that's pretty much the edge of the beach, >> right? Yep. Okay. So, that's public and
it's not exactly clear that it is and the town >> only it's a landing. >> It's not a landing. >> Well, that's again part of what the the town needs to decide or the select board needs to decide what's our responsibility for roads that go into
the ocean. Uh at what point does something become a landing? I >> think it has to be dedicated as a landing, doesn't it? I'm pretty sure it has to be either dedicated as a landing like Emma Trip did. >> Yep. >> I don't think you can assume
>> you go hollow in the coax. There's a bunch of roads that end and in the water, but they're not necessarily landings. But I believe that any road, I'm happy to hear what you know about because I could well be wrong, that any road that ends in the
water, the public is allowed to stop at the end of that road and walk into the water or throw a boat in the water. They are not necessarily allowed to park there. >> Absolutely. >> But
are they allowed to offload a person let that person walk into the water or fish or fowl. >> Well, fishing, fowling, strolling is the way the law reads now. Strolling is interesting. Uh if you have access to the high water
mark, you're allowed to walk the beach basically. >> Uh >> so someone question is can you park on Grove Avenue if it's the question that comes back to everything. Is every public road you're allowed to park on? Unless there's a
sign there that says you can't park, >> right? >> And if there's no sign there, can you park on a public road? >> I think yes. >> Right. And again, it may not be worth our time or expense making a point about this. But it's good that it's at least
marked so that it's sort of clear that it's public should we ever need it for some purpose. Should not the landing commission, but the public need it. Well, there was a question about the dead sea turtle years ago. >> What was that question?
>> Well, in the question about the whale that washed up two years ago, the whale that washed up on his beach, the question does if you have access to the beach, can you go along the beach and take care of that whale or the dead sea turtle? The private resident say you can't. And then when it stunk far
enough, then they said they could. You know, it was one of those things. That was same thing with the whale. sat there and no, you can't go across my property. Well, wait a minute. Yeah, you can't get rid of it. The issue is you need that like a Grove Avenue or whatever to go down to access the beach for emergency
purposes, >> right? Okay. Well, that's helpful. Appreciate that. Um, moving back up. Were you able to find out anything about head wall repair
>> like in the matter of what? I went down and looked at the the and there are a few rocks. I wouldn't say it's hazardous to say the least. Everything I mean you could say everything there is hazardous because anybody could fall into the water from any point along the wall. >> Mhm.
>> The question is does something need to be done about it? I mean every high tide it's up over the wall anyway, >> right? Uh, so do something need to be done about it? >> So there was some concern expressed to me that there were holes where someone's
foot could go in and >> Well, there were Yeah. >> And also >> you could you could fill them in with stone and it would take care of that. And they're not I didn't see anything walking and maybe I didn't see what they were talking about or maybe >> but walking both sides as far as you
could walk one side further than the other. You can walk the west side further than the east side. I didn't notice anything of any unusual that hasn't been there. You know, there's gaps between the stones on top. That's just the way it is. >> And apparently one of the top stones had
washed into the river, I had been told. But I didn't see that. >> I didn't see it either. Somebody told me that it was. And I walked up and down. Unless it's on the east side and it's past where all the fragmitees are and everything. I'm not sure. No, they were saying it would have been
on the west side. >> I didn't notice any on the west side. >> Fine to me. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I didn't notice any. I noticed there's rocks missing. >> Mhm. >> And you can tell you can see the water just below that fallen out from underneath the larger stones on top. >> No, there's chinking rocks. >> Yeah. And that doesn't surprise me
because things move and you have tides coming up and down. >> So, is it a point where it would be cost effective? Because we do have money that's dedicated to We didn't spend it all when we rebuilt it, but would we have to disassemble the whole thing and start over to re-hink it?
>> Yeah, you could. I mean, I don't know if the rock fell out because there's no weight on it. So, another one stick another one there. It's just you make it a little bigger. So, it does get stuck. >> I think it's a matter of when you have a winter like we just had and you have a huge ice buildup, things move,
>> right? Although this was told to us that it was a problem just a year or two ago too. So but and do you think it needs to be flagged for the >> I mean should we
do we know where in particular did somebody complain about any particular >> no >> location? No. >> I didn't notice. I walked along there. I know somebody walks along there every morning and they haven't said anything. >> Yeah. Some people are more concerned about
people twisting their ankle or safety than others too. So for the upcoming river day, do you think some of it needs to be flagged? >> I think you're probably safer on a river day where people are more aware of what's going on than you are with the average person just walking along and
not paying attention to what they're doing. >> There's certainly a lot of people there to assist somebody if somebody Okay. Well, I will pass that on. I'm not sure where they're the rock is that they're mentioning. So,
>> yeah. Okay. This. All right. Um, what else do we need to do here? Ribbon cutting signs. Oh, it wasn't clear to me at town
meeting whether the we approved a change to the town bylaw that's now being reviewed by the state because they have to review changes to bylaws about the overnight parking fine from $5 to $200. And it
also appeared to be authorizing the town to reset other fines for using without a permit. I know you sit on the beach committee also. Has there been action about increasing
the fine for use of the beach? We we've talked about it and for years and years and years and we've approached previous police chief and the current police chief about that and the issue is you have to change the
whole parking books to reflect with where the fees have changed everything. So I don't know what the big problem is. I'm not sure what the big problem is. I think it's way overdue that the fines
need to be increased. Uh, I just don't know how every time we seem to go down that road, we never get there. Uh, okay. >> We just keep going around the circles because it's been $50 for as long as I've been on the committee. >> And maybe 20 years ago, $50 meant something, but it doesn't mean anything
now. >> Okay. So, >> Oh, yeah. We get checks in that just say, "Thanks for the use of the beach." Yeah. >> You know, or we enjoyed our day at the beach, you know. Um, >> when it when it cost 35 to go to horse neck. >> Yeah. Right. Um, but I will say they are
looking into the prospect of utilizing an online parking. Um, it looks like it won't be implemented until next summer. Um, or next this starting in January at the
earliest. Um, so with that, it's not so much that they need to have all these ticket books printed, you know, that may have things. It's >> right >> a case of programming it into the
system. So that may be and open up that door to increasing the fines the way that they should be. So on the ticket book, there isn't something at down at the bottom that just says other and they could just check that box and fill it in.
>> There's actually beach parking. I think there's actually a beach parking is parking under the $50 category. There's only >> list of things. >> Yeah. List of categories. $50 fine. And you check it's kind of checking the box, you know, beach parking or whatever by
walking. But there's not one that they >> Well, if it says beach parking is 50, even if you have another, you can't put >> Yeah, >> I see. >> Okay. So, then I need to find out is is there one for Xbridge parking without a
permit? >> Okay. So, >> I'm not sure do is there a big problem the landing on >> unt uned? They do. They take it there now. >> They do. Yeah. >> Yeah, they do. >> They're growing. I mean, we'll be out on the water and see them come in and go around.
>> That's part of their route, the East Beach. >> Oh, no. They do I know they do the circle and they try to catch everybody. >> Yeah. >> But is is there a problem with the landings as much as there is with the beach? I know the beach >> it's not as big a deal with the be as it
is the beach. I was just trying to get it >> be the same so that and uh yeah so it's be consistent and they need to print signs that say something. So, um,
>> my suggestion would be that when the beach committee is going to go up on their fees or they'd start discussions on it that they we request that the beach committee keep us in the loop, >> right? >> So that we can consider doing the same at the same time to make it consistent.
>> We came we went to the select one three or four years ago I think. Can't I don't know if I think you were there, Dick. I'm not sure where we were asking for an increase in fine. We're trying to coordinate the whole thing, but it was kind of getting I don't know got kind of
convoluted and never really went anywhere because we saw the problem. I think police see the problem. >> Yeah. >> Uh as people don't care. Even if you're standing there, they don't care. Even if you tell them they don't care. Uh so
>> well it also may be time of year when before they print the new books for the year or something too but this may be the time to do it now for next year's books. Well, I think electronic, you know, a lot of electronic stuff and a lot of the print, you know, like cities
all do it now, uh, the scanning license plates and whatnot. And we're trying to get that with the beach, >> right? But are you saying that they're going to issue tickets in the mail? Basically, >> not putting one on someone's
>> No, it um has a little the handheld machine. They can scan the plate and it's got a little handheld printer. They stick that on the car. >> Yep. >> And the thing is it automatically uploads. It's nice because it automatically uploads or when they get back to the station if they don't have
good enough cell service down there, it will upload into the system and you can go online and pay your ticket right away. So, it's going to print an orange ticket. >> It's going to print a ticket. >> Yes. >> Some usually white usually little white tickets. >> Okay. which they'll put on someone's so
they'll know and the public will know that there's enforcement going on because that's part of it I think >> right >> uh >> so if they're in the process of doing that now of course if it's all digital it's not that difficult to change it from 50 to 200 but
>> correct >> why not start at 200 as soon as that goes into effect >> but but you're seeing saying this isn't likely to happen this year anyhow >> during the calendar year Okay. >> Cuz the current um vendor that we have
for ticketing, dealing with our tickets is in place till December 31st. >> Okay. So, I would just need to find out what the current fine is at Hicksbridge. I mean it might be actually a good idea
to kind of for the beach committee so that when the people are paying applying for their beach stickers it says be advised you know unpaid un you know the fine goes up as of January 1,
>> right? They're going to love that. >> All right. Well, that helps. Disappointing, but it helps. I I want to bring up just as an aside uh using form that I think you put together regarding town property use and we're
going to go to the Slackman eventually. Uh that one. Yeah, we drafted a put on our web page uh because we just got two requests. One request for a wedding in two weeks and one
coming down the pipe. Uh basically it's for more information at this point. No charging yet, but we see in the near future that something's going to have to be done when it comes to parking. Other words, hiring a police detail or doing something uh for people who are holding
weddings at the beach and you have a dozen cars parking up with no stickers or something. >> Uh just to let you know as a side, we're going to try to uh be consistent, I guess. Uh I we haven't gone to risk yet
uh to see exactly the best way to do it because it should be consistent with all the properties. Dartmouth has a consistent form. Basically it says what property you going to use, beach, landing, school, etc., etc., etc. What part, what this, what are you going to do, how many
cars, how many people, blah blah blah, insurance, all these things. uh basically just to cover ourselves uh at this point. >> So we could potentially move away from this form. >> Well, this is almost the exact same form except it's >> in the portal system and I believe the
planning board and the building department >> are on the portal system. Now in Dartmouth they have a portal system where you upload this form and it gets distributed to all the departments. So instead of somebody trying to chase down the police or the fire, you know, in the middle of summer trying to find somebody
who's on vacation or whatever they're trying to do, it gets circulated and they make the comment and the comment appears to the person's email, uh, please address this issue, please address that. This what happens all the time in Dartmouth. >> Mhm. >> Uh, basically when we apply when you apply for permit, they come back with
comments, please address this, and you have to address it and upload it again. Uh, that type of thing. So it's it more efficient and doesn't bog down waiting for the next meeting or whatever the case may be. Uh >> you know for the police to decide what you to decide what what the landing
commission is requesting or whatever. >> You know what platform it is that they use in Dart? I thought I thought it was City View, but it works very nicely in Dartmouth >> because every department you'll get a a boatload of comments right from the
first getgo. It matter if you're submitting conservation, building planning, boom, you know, within a week everybody, you know, DPW has chimed in, police chimed in, fire departments chimed in, and you know, right off the bat, you have to address this, that, or the other thing. >> Yeah.
>> Uh it's electronic and people tend to move a little quicker than >> Yeah. something on their desk that's sitting there and two weeks later they pick it up and you know the wedding's already been held or something along that line, >> you know. Uh >> yeah. No, I like that. I I like the idea. >> It's just a little bit of more efficient
and you can attach a fee some of them obviously for conservation things you had there's a fee attached. >> We don't necessarily doing that with ours right now, but >> maybe in the future or maybe different properties whether it be school property or whatever the case may be, right?
would be a good idea. >> That's helpful to know. Um the last thing that we were speaking about a little bit at the very beginning of the meeting, are you at all familiar with whether there was actual a legal signed
piece of paper that gave the backetti that may even have been before became the back edi permission to use the road above the bridge abutment on the other side? I don't know of anything. >> Okay.
>> All right. >> I will do say I was aware that there was a title insurance plan that was done. Title insurance being it to show everything on the property and what is being used whether or not they have permits to that was done before it became the back edi it couldn't find
that such a document. >> So what does that mean? So, I mean, there's a sistern that sits on the bridge abovement and there's a freezer that's sitting on the bridge abutment, right? >> And my understanding was they did pay a nominal lease fee or something, but I've never seen a lease or a fee ever get paid or anything.
>> Right. And there's no annual fee that comes. >> No. >> No, not that I'm aware of. If it does, it goes through somebody else other than me. >> Okay. >> I think a lot of it get, you know, just gets forgotten about or maybe the fee so small it's not even worth bookkeeping or
whatever. Well, but it might be worth revisiting the arrangement. Uh, another thing that has come up and was not on the agenda. Um, I was approached by the watershed. They are
looking to have additional storage. They have storage needs and they asked about putting a storage shed somewhere on the landing and I said my guess was though this is the
head of Westport. >> Okay. >> And I they they thought it could be down next to the constructed wetland or something. And I expressed serious concern about that. I offered the possibility of sharing the space
next to where the portagon is and that wasn't enough space. They weren't happy about that. Um and then suggested they rent storage a mile away that's all taken care of and
climate controlled. And they weren't thrilled about that idea. So, I think they at this point are considering building some sort of shed right next to the building on what is currently
maybe some flowers or undeveloped property. It would not take a parking space away. Um, I haven't heard further about that. It's uh they apparently have looked at the lease and there's nothing in the lease that prohibits them from adding onto the
building. Um and their thought is to make it a small enough shed that they don't have to go to the building department and they're they've expressed concern that it look nice for particularly the abuter to the east uh because it would sort of face their
driveway. So I don't know how involved we want to get in that and what our responsibility is technically as their landlord. Um >> well who They're all on lease parcels. So, who technically is their landlord now?
>> We are. >> We are. >> The landing commission. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, couldn't we just revise alter? >> Well, >> amend the lease to to because I know the lease property is like literally right
around the buildings out there. I know the kayak shop is got kayak storage outside their lease area. Can we just amend appropriately or should we just amend appropriately? I don't think we need to give them additional land. I think this would actually be on their property
>> if it's on the area that they're already leasing. I wouldn't think and there's nothing that prohibits them from building then I would >> well if they're building they're building a building then yeah it's on
>> that's a different animal. >> I think the lease property literally goes right around the building. >> Right. So they're talking attaching it more. Yeah. >> Right. But it's what I'm saying is if they wanted to like originally you were saying they want to put it down further or something then you're creating
another situation that we're in with a building being constructed on town property that they don't lease >> and so forth and you know so I think that idea isn't such a good idea but I mean if they can do it somehow attach it
to the building or something >> and it's on the area that they're already leasing Mhm. >> Right. I'll have to look at >> it would be my recommendation to look at the leases and make sure
just for liability standpoint. I don't know if if there somebody's doing something off lease that there's a problem or an issue like somebody's got storage off lease or >> you know I don't know if that's a a concern. I guess
>> I expressed concern just because I said what are you going to do? I said, "You're going to be busy here if the water ever does come up just protecting what's inside the building. Do you really want to have this suddenly have to deal with all these educational materials and paper goods or life
jackets or whatever else you've got stored in this little shed at the same time?" And they said, "How about renting down the street?" But they didn't like that idea. >> Well, I think it's they want a convenience. Convenience thing. I just think if it amending the lease would be
appropriate, then we should just amend the lease. >> Well, that's also interesting because we signed it, but also it goes through the board of selectman. I think that was the lease. A lot of the negotiation on that lease was done through the board of selectmen. >> Yeah. Well, the original two or three
years of it happened through the landing commission and a bunch of lawyers and then there was actually a change in the state law or something that had to be voted so it could be a 30-year lease. Um, and the amount of the lease was
negotiated by the select board, not they didn't go with what the landing commission wanted. So, um, Again, this is not something immediate. Just wanted to get, but it's helpful to
have your feedback about that. I >> mean, as long as they're not taking parking, I don't see a problem. That's my that would be my concern. the parking issue, but >> and like I say, if it goes off of the envelope of their existing leased area, that's where you're creating another
building on, >> right? >> You know, that creates another one of these situation where if they decide they don't want it now, we've got a building that we either have to maintain or somebody else wants to use. >> Right. Right. How big a shed are we talking? Were we talking the regular
garden shed or >> I think we talking something >> he was aware of some state or local regulation that says if it's a certain size >> 120 square feet >> you don't have to go through the
planning building it's 120 ft I believe >> you don't have to >> 20 square foot >> 120 >> 120 >> or 10 x 12 a garden shed a pretty significant shed >> right >> but Yeah. You don't want to, you know, say you walk away from the lease, you don't
want to inherit buildings that you have to maintain, >> right? Okay. >> Without somebody being responsible for them, they have to take it away or whatever the case may be, >> right? Okay, that helps. All right. Um,
that is about it unless anyone has anything else. We do have minutes. I did reach out to Dharma Voyage about a letter of support for that grant. Y >> and they're working on it. >> Okay. >> So, >> good. We considering we won't meet for the that
the voy voyage is having a giant riata. >> Uh that's spindle rock that's way down, >> right? Spindle rock going up to the Fontaine Bridge. >> Yes. >> Right. So, Does that have anything to do
with >> Well, I'm wondering are they using the landing to launch boats? >> I think they they're putting them in at Spindle Rock. >> Are they put >> Well, we're rowing the boats are at the landing right now. We're rowing the boats down to Spindle Rock. >> I mean, aren't there other people?
>> Yeah, the visiting boats coming visiting boats last year. >> They launched at Spindle Rock and they had a field someplace to park the >> trails. Yeah. I don't think anything happened at >> I didn't know if there was a parking going to be a parking issue because of the >> No, it's the whole thing is happening down there. I don't I mean all I know is
I'm taking a boat down next Thursday. >> Yeah. >> So, that's next week. Next weekend, right? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Good. Um, do we have minutes? I gave I sent them
to you so fast last time >> and I have been dropping the ball all over the place. So, I did not redistribute those. >> Actually, I might >> We'll add them to the list for next time. >> We can do it next time. >> No, I I they're right here for 421. I
sent them to you like >> Okay. I could make copies so we feel like we accomplish something. >> Yeah. I was so proud of myself cuz I did it like the day after. >> Always better approve them. >> They're really better. Look at them. >> They're very tiny. I was trying to do
one piece of paper. So, as of now, if you get a ticket at Hicks Bridge, it's $50 still. >> Is it $50? >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Keep cheap isn't getting the most That's part of the problem with the $50
really >> doesn't deter people. >> Deter. Yeah. >> We didn't have any problems this weekend. Thanks to spectacular weather. >> Yes. >> Went went over to BJ's yesterday
morning. Pouring rain. Gas stations usually backed up down the road. >> Oh, >> the only one there. >> The only one that wanted to venture out in the pouring rain. >> I did not do the back. Just the only
thing on that is just the motion to >> adjurnn. >> Ajourn and just a note that about the Paul Copy event. So our curiosity, where did the minutes get stored? >> I have a folder on my computer and I
have >> That's the only place it's stored. >> Yeah. Well, and I have the paper versions of them at home. I'm supposed to be putting them in the >> file cabinets down here. Probably have about a fiveyear supply
would be good. And I will take you all on our way out and I'll point at where the file cabinets are in case anyone ever wants to dive in. >> 100 years from now, everybody can go back and look and see.
Did I I know I was telling Mr. Brewer that I dug through those and found these lease agreements from the early 19th century. Did I show those to you? >> Yeah, I've seen them >> like little handwritten $5 for I don't know if parcels on horse neck or east
beach or >> No, there were I don't know if I want to bring this up. Uh just about most of the houses up at the head are on the town property and there were a lot of little leases and the
temperance society had a building there and but a lot of those houses that exist are on town the town landing property including the Bell Schoolhouse. >> Yep. Yep. There's a piece of it. Yep. Okay. So, any questions about the minutes?
No motion to wade the reading and approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? Any discussion? >> Hearing none. >> I. >> All in favor? I >> I
>> Thank you. Okay. So, setting another >> next date. Um, actually, I'm not sure exactly what we're going to need to meet about. Um,
I do expect to be in touch in the next couple of weeks. You missed this. We're going to have a little photo op ribbon cutting thing with the highway department to open Hicksbridge West. >> Little grass area on the where Remington's used to be. >> Yeah.
>> Yep. >> That one. So, uh, we decided it would be easiest to do that at 3:30 on some yet undetermined day based on whether and when it worked for the hire. I just want to give them credit for the good work they did there. Now,
>> are there two parking spots there? >> It's like eight. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Inside the timbers? >> Yes. >> Yeah. There's eight timbers. There's eight parking spots. What? I mean, we turned a big highway truck
into one of them >> into one. >> Yeah. For a lot of trucks, it's going to be a squeeze, but >> just curious >> for people with cars and stuff. And we're just going to see how it goes, how much the turf gets torn up or not, and
what we have to do as far as managing managing it in wet weather. that it was actually surprisingly firm um because I just as close to the rotor as as it is. So I will be in touch but why don't we
set a time anyhow um so today is So, we could go the week after July 4th because I'm not sure how much there's nothing in the media that we have to deal with that I'm aware of. >> Okay.
>> Does that work for people like July 7th? >> Yep. >> At 4:00. Is that a Tuesday? >> Yes. >> Great. And I will be in touch uh if people are able to come be part of
I'm sure we'll have big scissors or anything, but >> does the town have big scissors? >> You're not going to ride by boat like George Washington and you know, >> right? Is that um
stuffings? What do you call that stuff? >> Uh the >> wrap the >> Yeah, the the >> I got permission. >> Oh, the waddles. >> Yeah, I got permission to move the silk fence. >> Okay. Just so that would be awkward to be trying to get into our ceremony and climbing over the
>> Right. Yeah, that's going to get moved. >> Okay. >> Hopefully, it'll be passed there. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You should have seen the work that was going there today. considering what's been happening so far hasn't gone real well. So, >> I'm amazed that Well, are we done? >> I don't know. You haven't.
>> We haven't. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor of adjourning? I I >> Thank you.