Okay, will you join me in the pledge of allegiance? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Uh, per mass temple law, we're being recorded and sent out live. Yep. >> Um and first up is uh 9 359
Division Road Solar file number 22-1 SP- SPA-LIB-S screening site visit. Yep. So um this is the solar site on Division
Road. Um but this was just a site visit to address the screening of the utility pad which was visible from the roadway and drew some resident complaints. So we went and assessed Derek Melo from SW Coal, Molly Morgan from Washington Engineering and myself. And Derek
actually drove right by the site without seeing the utility pad. So the screening works. Um it's a mix of common juniper, a shrub of medium height, sweet and smooth sumac, a taller shrub, and green um arbor arbor vite, which is a mid-story tree. So um the sweet and
smooth sumac is um still just in its early stages with the other two um having a lot of greenery already. And um they're preparing for the winter months by packing mulch around the roots for moisture. Um Derek and Molly think that these are going to hold through the
winter. And what's on track for the next step is we're going to reassess in June 2026 to do a final walk through and uh final inspection to kind of close this project out. So this was kind of a midpoint on that on on those final procedures. And they just need a couple
more months to let some grass established on site, do some minimal sight cleared, clean up, and uh we'll be good to go. So, the screening screening looks good and I've included some photos which Yeah. See if you can make up the utility pad there. >> The resident who alerted it us to it
also said that he can no longer see it from his property. >> Yeah, he's he's happy to. >> So, what is this a picture of with the uh tape measure >> asphalt? >> Oh, that's um plaza 549. That's next. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Not the same one.
>> Not the same one. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Lots of good deer food there. >> Yeah. I just wonder if the arbor veggies are the kind that they don't like or are they on their menu?
>> Oh, >> we have we have the kind that they don't like and still jump on them all the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's right. >> Interesting. Interesting. >> Yeah. Well, they've they've eat even eaten
the leaves off our scraggly wine wine wine bushes or whatever they're called. Um, I couldn't believe it because it's pretty spiny stuff. Okay, next
is 549 Plaza file number 20-1 SP coarse course samples to determine if surface coat is painted. >> Do you want to give an overview of the situation? So, a course sample was
requested from the contractor by the planning board at the May 20th meeting to determine if a top coat was needed as a thicker binder course was installed instead of the approved top course. So, SW Cole refers to the planning board's opinion on whether a surface coat should be applied. Um, the official affidavit
from the contractor was never received. So, Mac took this picture um to provide a course sample the other day. No actions required. >> Yes, sir. >> I took the photo. I >> D and I have been going back and forth. I tried to get an affidavit from the
contractor to specify that there were over 3 in of binder grade um put down. But we had saw cut the tar recently to fix a drain. and I took it upon myself after calling Dia to take the photo so that we could just move on with this and
address it. All the other action items on the uh report from S SW Cole have been addressed. We'll be submitting a uh asbuilt plan in the next uh probably in January. We're just waiting on Bill Smith at this point, but we just needed you guys to sign off on the fact that we
did 3 and 12 in of binder um as opposed to 2 and 1/2 in order to maintain the structural integrity because the drive up hasn't been installed yet. And you know, we felt like that would be a lot easier. So, the intention is once the drive up is finalized, that's the last
unit left in the project, um to put a uh seal coat over the top of everything and then reline the parking lot. So, the thickness of the entire lot is currently up to what it would have been if you did binder and then a top coat. We went all
the way through. So, SW Cole concurred and thought that it was okay. Just you guys have to give your uh opinion. The board needs to >> weigh in on the matter. >> For for the record, could you just identify? >> Attorney M. Long on behalf of uh the 549
Plaza. >> Okay. >> Opinion of the planners. >> We don't need a vote on this or anything. And SW Cole has signed off on it and it seems like that with the measurement that Mr. Long has provided that binder co or binder course was
installed to the correct depth. So, we're fine with it. Um, but if the board has any additional comments, they'd like to to provide. >> So, this will have a sealer coat on it, though. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, what do you what do you consider a sealer coat?
I mean, you're talking about a >> Yeah. Traditional where they come and they'll seal coat over the top of everything. It'll lock in and put a little bit more of a finer finish on the top of it. And then we'll reline the parking lot at that time. But, you know, no definitive timeline on when that will
happen, but sometime in the >> So, it's not a traditional top coat. It's it's >> No, but the binder that they used, I believe, was a what we call a state binder. So, it's not quite as um coarse as regular aggregate. So, it is close to a top coat, but it's kind of like a
happy medium. I think Manny might be a little >> Yeah, it looks like they use the modified top. It's what you use on roadway. And it looks like they got the compaction and all that. So I typically when they use this pocket or sidewalk mix, it's not as good. Anyway, this is a
better job than >> Yeah, typical stuff. Stiffer. >> It gives it, you know, when they first put it in, but then you look and you see cars turning wheels and it's ripping it all up. That won't happen with this. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'd say just make sure that Bill Smith puts a location where you guys cut it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I can have them show exactly where it was. >> Good. >> All right. Awesome. >> Thank you. Happy holidays to you all. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. >> Uh, next is Corey Rich Estates file number 23-035C-RL
endorse form F-R Covenant for rural residential lane endorse form F covenant. So, at the last meeting, we endorsed the myar for Corey Ridge. This is just establishing a covenant on the laws and
endorsing the rural residential lane for the subdivision. >> So, I'm going to pass down I'll first do the RRL and then the covenant underneath. Gave you all the blue pen. So, um it should just be on the back page of the sleeve.
>> Or if you want that, sorry. Just right here. >> All right. This a blue one. While we're doing that, uh, we'll start on the next. The next is Francis Estates file number 17-016C-OSRD-IHP.
Resign form E1 certificate of recision of approval of definitive subdivision plan. >> We just noticed that um the applicant for Francis Estates, they forgot to file the certificate for recision of approval
of the subdivision plan which they need to file that before they move forward with the modification of Francis Estates. >> Mean they forgot to file it at the registry. >> Yeah. So we and they have Yeah, they misplaced the document. So, we're just going to resign it for them and they're going to file it.
>> And I have a pre-construction meeting with them on Thursday >> before they begin everything. Okay. Next is Mark Drive. Final number 25-2C HOA estimate review. Sh estimate review.
>> So this is from Mark Hart Drive. We'll look at the HOA estimate review first. And Gary Michael is actually present. Um I don't know if he wants to come up, but Gary outlined the items for road maintenance for the HOA. Prior to road acceptance, they would fund the HOA for two years. Uh priced for those two years
at $3,822, not 12. I redid the calculation. It's actually $3,822. Um, so he's kind of written up the cost breakdown and we just wanted to review it as a board if this looked okay for um
the the the fund establishment for the HOAs's um for these actions for the HOA and um please feel free to ask me details. This is the first time I'm bringing this to the board so I wasn't sure um how to present that the best way. Derek Millow also found their
estimates to be reasonable. Y >> um and this is considering that the developer is going is planning on submitting the road to the town for acceptance next year. >> So it' be town meeting 2027
>> for road that's not in yet. >> Yeah, but that's the the plan of it once it's complete is to petition the town to for acceptance next year. So it being 2026, it would be for town meeting 27.
>> So okay, I I have a question. Uh if I'm reading this correctly, uh the cost each year is uh total for all seven houses $1,96.
Um but this uh we're you're suggesting that we require the applicant to fund the HOA in the amount of 3822. So uh what's uh how does how does that
work with 1906 turning into 3822? >> We funded it for two years. >> Two years. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Then it would be 3812, >> right? >> Well, I did 273 * 7 * 2.
>> It should have been 2 years. >> Yep. Yep. 273 * >> Well, 1906 * 2 is 38 12, >> right? >> Apologies. It's me. I went backwards and did it did it from 273. >> So, it is 12. >> Yep. >> You want a motion, Mr. Chair?
>> Uh, yes. Go ahead. I move to require the applicant to establish and fund a homeowners association in the amount of $3812 with membership mandatory for all purchasers within the subdivision as a condition of definitive plan
endorsement. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. For discussion. Um, you understand that the homeowners association is is required forever, right?
>> Yes. Yeah. We're passing that on to the homeowners. Exactly. >> Right. So, you think within two years you'll have more than 50% of the houses sold? >> Uh, I do. >> And occupied? >> I do. >> Okay. And you're going to make that part of
the deeds? >> Yes. >> Within the PNS deed? >> Yes. >> Deed restriction that requires them to be members of the homeowners association. >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> All those in favor? >> I.
>> Now moving on to the shity. So they want to release the lots to sell the houses and we did establish a covenant on the lots. So we created a form O to release the lots and also a form G which establishes the cash shy. They're going to submit a cash shity. Um they did work
with Derek to come to this amount and came up with the number of $100,14660. A 20% contingency was cluded. Derek did provide his correspondence and he accidentally added an additional 20% contingency. So ignore Derek's final
amount. He bumped it up an extra 20%. We're going to go with the amount of $114,660 for the shy. So, that's up for the board's discussion. Um, we have both the correspondences attached. >> I don't see uh where is that?
>> Oh, I I printed it out for you. >> Oh, okay. There. I got it. Here it is. So is the snow plowing then going to be just until the town takes takes the >> correct. >> We're going to cut the grass and plow
the road until it gets accepted by the town. >> But you're still cutting grass in town. That's in the HOA. After they after the uh town accepts the road, the HOA is going to maintain the grass cut. Yeah,
>> that's the retention areas and stuff, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. And near the fire tank. And Derek is okay with the cost of the road and the sidewalk. >> Yes. Yeah, he's confirmed.
>> You want a motion? I I I would I unfortunately we've been burned before uh doing this and um >> not by Gary though. >> No. No. Well, I'm not s >> He's been here a long time since Trump bond. So,
>> right. I >> think he's got a track record. So the my my question is if if we say okay this is you give us this money and you're okay to go go ahead and build the houses and sell them
it doesn't mean that you ever build the road and all these things. Um and if it goes on and on and on, this money would not be sufficient 5 years from now to do this. >> Uh it would be those are actual pricing.
That's that's the amount actually to finish what we have left. >> The top coat, the sidewalks and uh >> and seed and grass. We got a lot pretty most of the work done already. And weather permitting, we would have kept
going, but we never top coat until everything sold out anyway. >> All put you have a contractual basis to say that 5 years from now you could do it for this money. >> I'll be long gone by five years. But but
yeah, we have six houses under agreement already. That's why we're trying to release them so we can keep building and finish up what we have to do. Right. We plan on being done by the end of the year actually. >> And the year 26 26. Yes,
>> Mr. Chairman, if I may. I mean, the the plan the planning office has also been a little bit more aggressive with trying to get people to follow to follow through on projects as well. And I think that does make a difference. >> I'd like to say something too. I mean, I was out there. I went out when Dave was
paving it and good job. Looks really looks really good. Um, one of the things with him is I I mean he's got the road built. It's a binder and he's giving you a shy. We had that other one um last year that they didn't shy. All the houses were up and all of that stuff. So
I think he's following kind of what we've done what we're supposed to do anyway. >> Right. >> So I I would also like to inquire about the site triangle. How do we stand with that? The trees
have been trimmed at with Miss Conny's property, >> right? >> And the fence. >> We did what she let us do. >> Yeah. Um I don't know where the sight triangle stands, how how your distance is. I know that those trees have been trim. >> It's 80 ft. >> Yeah.
>> So on the south side, it doesn't look like there's 80 ft. But if everybody else is okay with it, I'm not sure. But that isn't part of this discussion, but
it's something that we need to address. >> So, um, we have a motion and a second. >> Uh, Mr. Mr. Chair, I would move that we set the shity for uh Marquott Drive at uh based on the planner's recommendation
at $114,660. >> Second, >> is there what what is the second page? That's a double adding of uh the contingency. The 20% contingency got added twice. >> Oh,
>> Derek's approval of the shy and an accidental additional 20% contingency he added not realizing um Gary already incorporated that in the code. >> So the first page has a 20% contingency >> and the second page has another one. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's a separate issue to whether we should put a buffer into the shy. Uh, you know, to Jim's point about we know you're doing this right now or as soon as the weather allows you to do
it, but costs do tend to go up. And so, >> these figures are good now, but they might not be good next spring. >> Isn't that the 20% the contingency? that that's what it's for. But it's also the the the 20% is
>> when you do it, you do it as a private entity. >> Mhm. >> If we have to go in and do it, we have to do it with what do you call it? >> Prevailing wage. >> Prevailing wage. >> Yeah. >> Which is about 20% more. >> So So the the 20%
doesn't have built into it a a cost increase. It's our cost that was if we went to the same contractors, we'd have to pay more. >> Um, so I mean
that's the recommendation of our engineers, right? The 137,000. Sure. >> 137, right? Is that >> that's on the second page, right? >> Yeah. Well, that's because he didn't know we
already put the 20% in already and the original paperwork. >> Well, uh, Mr. Chair, if you allow me and, uh, the second or Manny to withdraw my motion. I I think the point our chairman has made is that these numbers
work if you do the work. uh and we expect you are going to do the work but if you don't and we have to do the work uh going to prevailing wage is going to eat up more than the 20% and so some
kind of buffer uh on top of the 114 is warranted because we have to think about could we get it done for that amount of money and I don't know whether that's um
you know 125,000 or 135,000. Um, but I'd be willing based on what the advice of my colleagues to to add a buffer to that 114. >> Well, come up with a figure.
>> Yeah. I Mr. Chair, I'd move that we set a shorty of $135,000. >> 135 said second. Any more discussion? >> All those in favor?
>> I I >> That's it. >> Okay. Good. >> Thank you. >> Could I ask Sure. >> Uh Mr. Michael a question or two just not related to this motion but absolutely >> just because uh housing and affordability is such a an issue here in
town. If you don't mind just sharing with us, I'd be curious to know um you said you've sold five houses, what the average selling price is, how big the houses are and square footage,
and what is the uh kind of demographics of the the family? Are you selling to the buyers? Are they young families with kids? >> It's a mix. It's a mix of uh older and younger families. There's only seven
houses. Six we have uh sort of reserved not PNS's yet because we needed to solve all this for and u the prices are around 1.2 stock and uh the houses range from about 10,000 square ft and there's one
person that's looking to build 5,500 foot house. >> And do they have garages? The 2,000? Yeah, they're all they're so far they're all at least two garages and uh one's a threec car and another one maybe a fourc car >> attached.
>> Attached. >> Yeah, cuz I I recall these are fairly narrow lots. >> They are. There's a few wide ones that they open up a little bit in a >> No, I just going to comment that as I recall you were also constrained by
wetlands in the back and and you have to get a septic system in and all that. So, Just thinking Greg's designing those for us now. All four bedroom designs with the D be nice. >> And how's the water table there? Are you going to Are they going to have to be
raised up a lot? >> No, actually the the perks are pretty good there. A lot of gravel on that site. A lot of gravel. >> So you said you're doing ditrifying septic systems. >> Yes. >> That's what was required. >> Have you thought about doing one system
for all seven? No, no, not many people like that shared system idea, you know, then the HOAs and all that's hard enough getting them to cut grass, never mind maintain the septics. So,
>> so style of house. Can I ask you? >> Um, colonials mostly, you know, a lot of one levels. People don't like stairs anymore. So, uh, that's majority of them are one levels. I think four four of them were ins and a few of them are
similar to the houses that we built at our forest park. >> So are you giving them or you showing them designs that you've done before or do they come to you with a house that they want? >> A mix. They came and with some plans and some of them they like what we built
before. One of the customers we built uh before down in Sarah. They moved out went to Fall River and now they're coming back building the same exact house. So, >> okay. Thank you, >> you hear about George, I'm sure.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate. Hopefully, he's okay. >> Hey, tell Greg I hope his errors and emissions insurance is up to date. >> Oh, >> thank you. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Yeah.
All the house will have. >> Okay. Uh, next up there's discussion topics. Town meeting 2026 zoning amendments. >> Yes. So, the first thing we need to talk about is setting a
is the process for um setting up a a public hearing for zoning amendments. The way it works is that the planning board will forward the amendments to the select board. The select board will then tell the um return those back to the
planning board with any comments that they have and then um then the public hearing process starts. So what we need to do is forward these to the select board within
14 days um of their next meeting. So their next meeting is on January 5th. We can't do that in this meeting in 14 days. It'll be December 30th. So, we're going to need
to have a special planning board meeting in order to forward these to them in order for us to have a public hearing on February 10th. The reason why there's such a long lead time is because our meetings are at the beginning of the week. The paper gets
published on Thursdays. So, the way And we have to have some things posted within 15 days prior to the meeting. So there's like a month lead time. >> So what's the purpose of having to send
it to the select board within 14 days? That means you could, if that's the language, give it to them the day before and they wouldn't have any time to review it. It would seem like it should be more than a certain amount of days. They
have to respond to us within 14 days. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So, this is the the process that the attorney general has set out for communities to >> do we have to have the extra meeting or do they have to have the extra meeting?
>> We should have the extra meeting. Hi. Could we uh take a motion today to authorize you >> to transmit to the select board a week from now or whatever gets you in that? So, we're taking the vote tonight, but
you're not transmitting it to the select board uh until a date that we put in the motion. I would prefer to have it in a in a public meeting that the the board is forwarding these materials to um the
select board and we can do I mean we can do it during the day if that works better for everyone during working hours. That's fine. We're just essentially opening a meeting, forwarding it to the select board, >> and then closing the meeting. >> Um >> it'll be our shortest meeting ever.
>> Yeah, >> probably. We've we've done this before, actually. Um, so and we only need three people here as well. >> Okay. >> So I was >> I missed a short meeting >> thinking December 23rd or December 30th
depending on who may be available. I shouldn't say >> what was the other day beside the 30th >> 23rd >> 20 23rd >> of December >> of December. I mean we could do it the 29th. I'm just trying to keep it on
a Tuesday. >> It could be any day. is within the 14 day period. >> So looking for >> and it could be any time of day. It doesn't have to be at 6 p.m. >> Yeah,
>> I'm okay. >> If it's the 23rd, >> I uh it would have to be the afternoon or something because I'm having cocktails with that guy with the with all the cows. >> What that made you late? Can't be a morning meeting. You having cocktails in
the morning? >> Maybe he's laughing. >> Okay. So, what what's what's the desire? >> We need 23rd 2P. Uh, actually, let me check my schedule first before Okay, I'm clear all day on the 23rd.
So, how about the 23rd? >> What time? >> 10:00. >> Yeah, >> good. Get it over. >> Okay. 10 o'clock. >> All right. Great. Thanks, everyone. All right. And so just
>> we could do it at nine o'clock if everybody wants to meet at the barn. >> Well, that's not really a public location. >> Help shovel out. >> Um All right. And so just mark your calendar then. The public hearing is
going to be February 10th. >> And that be 6 o'clock. >> Yes. >> Which is a normal meeting. Is that a regular meeting too? >> Yeah. >> Oh. All right. So, we've already got it on our calendars.
>> Okay. Is that all for amendment? >> No. So, we uh Jim, you and I had discussed that as you all know, we received a one-stop grant award to look at the town's village centers and to de develop zoning
that will make um that will make it a little bit easier for commercial businesses. um should there be turnover in the use to allow the commercial businesses to exist and and adapt over time as needs
change. And so we're looking at several different areas in town, Adams Bell, the head of Westport, the point, and across the point with the marine area. Um, and so with Adamsville, if you recall, there
was the application that was submitted to the town for a food truck that was very popular with people in town. Um, but because the zoning doesn't allow for it, it was, you know, we approved the site
plan, but the zoning doesn't allow for it. Um, and the ZBA denied them on on their relief request. And so because we're coming up with we have this upcoming project to provide commercial businesses a little
bit more flexibility in these historic village centers. The thought was to start the process a little early with the Adamsville area to in order to provide that business owner some relief
um and use this as kind of a test run for the rest of the project. And so what we would be looking at is creating a village commercial zoning district on a couple parcels in this area um where you would be allowed to have uh mobile food
vendors, retail, cafes, bed and breakfast offices and restaurants as a special permit. It would kind of be like an enhanced residential agriculture district just with a couple of more land commercial
land uses that would be available. And so the area that we're looking at, see, is just right here. It's just this one small in the, you know, larger context of the town. It's just this one small area in Adamsville that's been the
historic commercial center of that area. on the Westport side of Adamsville. So, it's these parcels just right along in the pond. >> Yes, John. >> Um, I think uh this is a good idea and I
certainly supported when the new owners of uh uh the graves uh came to us with the idea of a food truck. I thought that was a great idea. And I think this is a good idea. Uh
however I I read in the electronic version of shorelines today that uh they have lowered the level in the pond uh which is stranded the fish ladder and they don't return any communications
from the the concom I think well why should we work with them if they are um not working with other parts of the town and and so
I I do think it's a good idea, but I I would love to see them be responsive to solving the problem of fish passage uh into that pond uh which they have uh eliminated
and uh the state has a proposal but they they can't get any response from the from the Delano. So, you know, I guess what I'm suggesting is I don't mind going forward with this,
but I would do that in conversation that we're the entire town of Westport here, not just the planning board. And uh you know we we think that
if we're going to work with on something that they they want, they should be paying attention to uh DMF and uh Concom and others involved in fish passage.
>> I think that's a that's a fair point to make. Um, I have been talking to the owners of the businesses about the the zoning piece in particular. >> Yeah. >> Um, and I've told them that after this meeting I would follow up with them um
about this issue in particular. >> Yeah. but also let them know your thoughts um as planning board member and and climate resilience committee chair and tell them that they need to reach out to the concom
you know we need to work together as one town to address these these kinds of issues. >> Mr. Chair, I too I too have been speaking with the Delos. actually for quite some time with some of the problems with the border of health and I I did meet Sha Leech out there before
>> um my vacation. Um I've also spoken with Sha Leech after that and um the Delanos I think are very I mean they're kind of just kind of frustrated with some of the treatment they got from some of the other departments, not so much conservation, but he does have plans on
um fixing the dam and doing what they need to do there. and he's actually, you know, spoken about doing some aquaculture in there and trying to get, you know, the elevators back up there and, you know, monitoring the heron and all of that stuff. He's
>> I think he's he had a real problem with the building inspector and zoning board of appeals to buying his appeal. >> I think they're legal with this right now, too. >> I think so, too. Uh but
>> but did you say that he they because you're talking on the zoning and we did discuss this in executive session speak to what was discussed in executive session over this but >> um I believe everybody's trying to work through it. >> Yeah.
>> So when I my wife overheard me talking to Michael about this on the phone. She said, "Aren't you going to work with Little Compton, too? Maybe we should
>> work with them, too, to maybe reszone their side and our side. We're not going to do their side, but >> right, >> we should know what they have in mind, and we should they should know what we have in mind." >> Actually, Little Compton had given them permission to put the trailer on the on
Little Compton side. They had given them a permit for the trailer on their side. They went and had it surveyed and the backside where the trailer was that time that it was open was actually they had to use the park on the front but it was actually in Rhode Island and they had given them permission to do it.
>> Is this zoned commercially? >> Cuts across. >> Is this zoned commercially on the other side? >> Yeah. >> Cuz there are those other businesses permittable. They gave him a permit. Okay. >> And the pond is also off island. >> Okay. >> It's incompletely zoned over there. Um,
but they have his they have grandfathered uses for the bar and restaurant for the Simmons store and I think some of the other little businesses used to be stumpbridge dishes in the
>> It would be nice to get that whole place. you know, I think it would make sense to have some kind of conversation with them. >> I mean, the village sort of up to the liquor store and all the, >> you know, that that that actually could
be very nice. >> Some feedback that I've received recently from people um living down south on River Road is that the they've really felt the loss of some of the commercial businesses in there on the Rhode Island side. There are a couple of
businesses that were purchased and then they've been left vacant for quite some time and I think people are looking for more things to do in that area so they don't have to go all the way to Tiveran or >> Absolutely. And they all they also missed the restaurant that was there
burned down, >> right? >> So, and I missed the mall too. So I think it would make sense to have a cohesive village somehow. Um,
and so the question is if people could look at that chart on the left, is that the appropriate spread of the commercial district?
I think it is. So the the food truck probably is on the westward side of that line. >> Yeah, it's in the white space. >> This one right here. >> No, that's in the pond. >> Nope, it's right It's right up here. >> Yeah.
>> I mean, I think what this would do would just promote people to fix their properties up and it's going to be better for everybody. >> I'm sorry. The food truck is in the top property, not where you're pointing
>> because the the the the brook from the dam is u to the south of where the food truck is. And I'm not sure that that top lot isn't
cut into two because I think >> that Ralph Gil kept the southern part where the parking is and sold the place where the >> house there is parking lot on there is parking in that >> closely to those two houses that you see
in >> the the issue is the the GIS layer but >> it's it's actually the parcel to the south that It's It's this one. This is a different property owner. It's this one right here. It's just the way it's
displayed on the GIS layer. Um that you're seeing it on that other parcel, but it's it's just an issue in the GIS. It actually should be cut like that.
>> Okay. >> So, we just need to fix the parcel layer. Okay. >> Um and then another thing, so I read to you all the the list of of uses. Um the one thing
that would change on the um table of uses more generally for the business district as well is to allow food trucks as a permitted use or a by right use. Um they're very low impact. We've seen them deployed all over the country in all different kinds of places
and they really are not that impactful of a of a land use. So that's why we propose it to be a buy use. Um and then in the table of uses the underneath the the commer in the
commercial section, it lumps a bunch of different types of retail um research laboratory service or public utility um all as one type of land use in the table. And so I think it would be good if we're going to allow retail in
this in an area like this to separate out retail from that list so that way we're not permitting a laboratory for example in the Adams Valley area. So we just need to pull that out and make it its own land use. Um and I'm just going
to keep it consistent with what's already allowed in the business district to allow it as uh a site plan from the planning board. >> Okay. Uh, and then I have a couple of additional definitions. One is for a
cafe and the other is for a mobile food vendor. The mobile food vendor definition came directly from the state department of health. >> Okay. >> Um, and that's it. That's the only other changes from the last meeting.
>> Okay. Do we need to vote on this table of use tonight? We we don't we would do that when we meet on the 23rd to forward everything to the select board. >> Okay. >> So, can I So, the mobile food trucks are not legal now because they're not
allowed you. I mean, they're not a use, >> right? >> Yes. >> But, okay. >> They're being used. >> They're being down. >> It's kind of like uh short-term rentals, you know. We we knew that it was going
on, but >> it's just >> so we dealt with the reality that, you know, people are using properties this way. And unless we're going to enforcing against um against people running those
kinds of operations, it's best to just incorporate it into the the table uses. >> Yeah. No, I agree. It's good good to sort of catch up with of something that's good and and is, you know, reflects reality.
>> Mr. Chairman, I I would u suggest that we have Michael inform the planning board in in Little Compton and maybe send them a copy of this is what we're this is what we're
thinking. this is what the our our side of the village looks like and you know we sort of would love to work with you >> on you know that kind of idea. This is >> this is what we're we're planning to to
adopt zoning on our side of the line and this is the kind of allowed uses that we're thinking of and and whenever a public hearing invite them to the public hearing. >> Yeah. It's part of part of the um notification
process that we notify adjacent municipalities whenever we do a um a zoning change, but I will specifically reach out to their town administrator who I've worked with on other things to let him know. I think it'd also be
beneficial just to do that as a an initial to touch base initially and just let give him a heads up that we're going to be doing more stuff like this in a long range planning activity um sometime sometime soon actually coming up this
summer. >> But but more than just sending the notice but sending it to the town administrator and also to the >> the planning board and and so sort of giving them a heads up of Yeah. I mean, they did they did it for
us. We had that other project. >> Yep. Yeah. And I I think it'd be great to because it's such an asset to both towns. We should be on each other's thought process.
>> Which side of the line is is Gray's on? Is that in >> Gray's door? Yes, it's on the Rhode Island. >> Y >> So if you look at this chart here, um this is the gas station.
>> This is the Gris Mill. >> Yep. >> Coffee shop. This is their little office building. >> Yep. >> And these are uh accessory buildings >> to graze. >> To graze. Yep. you know, if you if you pull into the,
you know, any of these things in in the back, uh, those those buildings that have parking, like the coffee shop has a has a lot that I guess it's the building next to it has a a lot that's down in the back.
>> Yeah. >> You can you can really see that the road is sitting on top of the dam. You know you I mean now you when you when you stand in their yard now you can see this is a rockfaced earthfilled dam
that's you know seven or eight ft high. >> Yeah. >> We also got to look at that bridge and you know I think I think they own the bridge too and >> you know looking to do repairs and stuff. >> The br the bridge um going over the brook >> I think that's Frankie Brightens or it's
ours. I'm not sure. Um, it could be Frankie Brightens because it it goes through his property, but I think the town owns the structure underneath the road. >> So, we should be really concerned what's going on over there. >> The structure underneath the road is
actually privately owned. So, the town's road rests upon the top of the the top of the dam. >> That's probably right. I I think the head works into the the mill, the water wheel. I mean it it just it was only a year or so
ago that they stopped actually operating. >> Yeah. When they bought it, they they declined to to pay for a grinder >> for a guy to do that. >> Yep. >> And Ralph Gil paid for somebody to do
that for 25 years. >> Had somebody on on sovereign. So the so the the head works, you know, the head race into the mill and the whatever they have for gates and
valves and all that stuff at least a couple years ago were operating. >> Well, they're still there, right? But they're just not being used. But >> um >> I mean yes, >> it's interesting because if you go up Adamsville Road further uh if you go
into the history of the area uh there was I think one or two other mills up there and cuz there's on the on the the campsite whatever it's called Westport Woods.
>> Yep. If you go back, if you go on the path north of their field, just right near the road, there's a stone bridge there. >> Oh, yes. >> No. >> Yep. >> Uh it was a a song.
>> So, it's >> Yeah. I do have the the stories of my grandparents going to visit their grandparents in a sleigh that way. Yeah. >> So, we we know but there's also there's two fish ladders there, too. You got the new one
that he put in and there's an historic stone fish ladder right to the that's what that is on the other side >> that I think would probably even work better than the other one once they >> when they could the problem was I went out there when the beginning when it was they were getting ready to the fish run and then I I wasn't able to follow up on
it but they were trying to monitor it and figure out what the level should be and how it should work. But I even actually think the stone one would work better than the metal one that they put there. >> Well, Sean We forget it was Sean or you or somebody was telling me that the the
wooden weird that is the dam uh was all rotting. >> Yes. Yeah. I didn't tell you. I just noticed were all rotting. So, it's going to take some effort. >> Well, this kid's pretty he's well kid he's not a kid, but he's pretty uh pretty good at restoration. He's I'm
sure he's going to do a good job. He's just getting frustrated. >> I went to the christening of the dredging of that pond and I have pictures of Ralph Gill with everybody there. >> But how how long was the dam replaced?
That would that didn't last very long, did it? Cuz that was that didn't last very long. >> What? >> The new wooden dam. >> Probably 15 years. >> Not long. And I'm sure that's why he pulled them out because they're rotten.
>> Maybe he pulled them out because he's going to replicate them. I don't know. Um, >> you know, Sean said, "Have you looked at an F?" I said, "Yeah, it's low and we've had rain. It's unusual." >> Yeah. All the Sean told me I went down
there and all the the top row boards and that's when I noticed that was it's rotted. But the the other issue along that dam on the road is that people walk along there to get to the coffee shop
and there's no room. Um I don't know if there's a way to to make a walking path along the edge. Something >> the food truck might help you get more people on both sides. >> Yeah.
>> Anyway, thank you. Yeah. >> Yeah. One more thing. If we adopt this uh village commercial district, then what other I guess attribute or other what will distinguish it from our
business district or regular will there be any kind of design, you know, regulations or something to ensure that what is built there has
a village character to it. >> I think that's something we should think about when we start kicking off the long range planning for the village centers in Westport. I think this measure is right now kind of a temporary stop gap of what
can we do now to support the small business community in that area. But as we move next summer into the planning for areas like this, I think we should give that some more thought about how the board would like the areas to look aesthetically if there's a new structure
built, for example. And we could always make it u all of it subject to site plan review or special permit or >> well you could also ask the people there
if they thought a chapter 40 uh C district you know where you have design review I think that's what Mark is getting at >> would be something they would support because >> to me It seems like the historic
significance of those buildings are a big part of the attraction. >> Mhm. >> And you you'd want to protect that. And the question is, you know, chapter 40 uh C allows you to do that the same way
that happens in Westport Point. But you'd never get it approved unless everyone down there thought, "Yep, that's a great idea." >> Mhm. >> People have trouble down in Westport Point trying to do anything to their
house. >> Yeah. Well, you know, when when you're in a building that's 200 or 300 years old, uh
it should be hard to make changes to it. You know, someone decides that, well, I just assume change the roof line or something, then you don't have a 300year house anymore. >> Exactly. So I I that would I think
require a I don't know if the 4DC requires an historic district. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You got to I I did that in New Bedford back in 1969. You got to form a study committee and you're
it's a it's a rigomearole. But you know when we established one in in the waterfront historic district, no one has ever tried to get rid of it because It is um uh everyone realizes how it creates
value uh and everyone wins with it there even though you have to go through a process if you want to do anything other than routine maintenance replacing light with light >> things to consider but I think this would be a step
>> yeah so Okay, this doesn't go backwards easily. Um, report planners report >> an update on our application to the mass dot local early actionable planning
program. We had submitted two applications to this where uh for those who don't know the way the program works is that DOT is looking to um give some initial design conceptual design work um
engineering design work to comm smaller communities or rural communities disadvantaged communities to make transportation improvements um in parts of the the town where there's a a demonst demonstrated need. And so I had submitted two applications.
One for um Sanford Road to look at building a connection to the shared use trail that we've developed off of the uh Quesan River Rail Trail. I also submitted one to do a traffic calming analysis at the head of Westport because
we had Serped. Well, it's a known speeding area, but we had Serpat out there over the summer collecting data on the speeds of motorists through the those areas, and some of people were clocked at going like 80 miles an hour through there, which is incredible that
you would even think about doing that. But, um, anyway, that the town was selected, they they told us that we were selected for the design assistance. They didn't tell us which projects. So, they said I asked which one they were thinking. and they said it could end up being both. I don't know, but we're in
the program, so one of those two pro projects will be selected. Um, yeah. So, I'll have more updates when they reach out to us. It's a new It's a brand new program, so things might take a little while. >> And, uh, I just wanted to add to this a
little bit. We're talking about grants. Uh, if you don't mind if I quote, Michael sent me today. what the the dollar value of the grants that have been awarded to Westport through
Michael's uh work in the past three years is just about $2 million. >> I think that's incredible. >> Well done. and
he says they have $3,800,000 in outstanding grant requests for three projects and who knows if we'll get any of them, but that is super. I have to
really um give it to the whole office for being able to coales and do all this stuff together and do the the things that give Michael time to do this. So you don't get the grants if you don't
ask, right? And we're asking now because of Michael and the staff and you know the town benefits from those extra resources because we now ask >> and we have good community partners too that >> we work with. I mean I would be remiss
to not um recognize Serpent. They've been really helpful in this space and so has Buzzards Bay Coalition. They've been tremendously helpful as well. Um, can I talk about our hazard mitigation plan update?
>> This is quick, but it's good news that I went to the select last night and they unanimously endorse the hazard mitigation plan. So, that is a semifinal draft you have in your hands. We'll
submit it to FEMA and MIMA for their review. they may have some comments. Um, based on my conversations with our consultants, they said they they'll normally have like eight or nine comments that you have to make some revisions on. Um, but and they have
recently submitted plan uh an HMP to FEMA. I know there's been a lot of um there's been a lot of turmoil in the federal government uh this year, but they they're still reviewing these in a three-month time frame. So, that's good news. We should be able to get this
approved in the next 3 months hopefully. >> You know, I I have to say I'm I'm somewhat amused by the photograph on the cover here on the right hand side, which I believe to be taken from inside the harbor master's office.
>> Sure is. >> Looking through this door, front door. >> Yeah. That came from the former harbor master Chris Leonard. Well, >> yeah, >> it was Thursday night that the CPC meeting. Um, the harbor master came to
the committee to ask for uh monies to do some repairs to this little building. >> And uh, you know, it was a very modest request, $40,000 or something, maybe less.
>> But they need to they need to repair the roof. They need work on the siding and the trim and etc. And as you know, it's a very modest small building, >> but uh it's in some ways I mean there's
no plumbing, there's no running water. >> Uh >> there is in that picture. >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, so the the discussion
u went off into well yeah what about flooding? I mean you know spend this money but do you have to raise the building up? Uh what about uh accessible access, handicapped access and well, you know, how are you going to
do that in this? And then uh things like uh yeah, it just there were a number of other issues that you know historic, you know, is it a historic building? No, but it's in a historic district. >> Is it really a building? I mean, what is
it? It's pretty has no plumbing. >> Uh it it's a whole the poor harbor master who works so hard, you know, that the that duo now that we have that they're doing a lot. But uh Bill, his name is Bill.
>> Yeah, Bill Chase. Thank you. Yeah, he but he's sort of taken this on and it was like peeling a you know an onion or something or an avocado or something. He just kept peeling and peeling and there was more things that you know he just thought he could get a carpenter in do
some repairs and that'd be the end of it and CBC would give him some money but um because the harbor master doesn't have any money in his budget. >> Sure. Yeah. So uh poor guy I mean he went on and on and u there was no resolution of it because there are a
number of things which he has to issue which he has to address. But uh you know it just it made me think of that whole discussion and looking out through his door there at uh >> maybe they need some pontoons.
>> What? some pontoons. So if the water comes up, it'll just float up above the water. They can go retrieve it >> and anchors >> and anchors. >> Yeah. >> But if they're going to deal with uh flooding by elevating the building,
uh and you want to make it handicapped accessible, you don't need a ramp, you need a boat, >> right? >> It would take you to the front door. >> Yeah. M Michael, where where does the town stand on its uh emergency response plan?
Is that's in in in progress now as well? >> It is in progress. There's a draft. The fire chief has a draft. Um it hasn't been circulated for public comment or departmental comment yet, but it is in progress.
>> He's working with Mass Maritime also to complete it. So, he's just connected up with Mass. Good. >> Oh, really? I didn't know that. Very good. That's good. >> So is it looks as if in 2026 we will have
>> both of these plans that are we're supposed to be updated I think every 5 years or something. We we finally will have these updated. >> Mhm. >> Along with the climate resilience plan which it has a lot of related issues to
>> to both these. So there'll be a we should do a box set, you know, when we present it to the select board of three different related reports. Get a collector's edition. >> Could make that a fundraiser. >> Yeah, >> we could use that.
>> No, but it's really good that these are all coming together at about the same time. >> Yeah. And we've we've talked in the past about how we need to make sure they're consistent with one another, that the recommendations out of one are the same
as the recommendations in the others. >> Yeah, I think that they're all there's been a lot of synergy created. And I think there's a lot more motivation when the hazard mitigation plan's coming forward than, you know, fire department's like, "Oh, we need to get our emergency management plan together."
And then so I think it has this cascading effect of, you know, keeping it at the forefront of people's minds. >> Oh, this is great work. >> Thank you. Um, and then just a quick update on our route six neighborhood plan. We had a public meeting on
Thursday next week and it was there was a fair amount of attendance. I mean, I think for long range planning, we'd always like pe more people to come out. Um, but there is a survey available online for people to take to give us feedback
and um, we're also going to have like a road show of the boards with the stickers. We're going to have them in they're set up here in the town annex right now. Um, we're going to see if the library would be okay with having them set up in there as well as the town hall. Um, and so right now because it's
the holidays and we're waiting for survey data, we're taking a little bit of a pause in in project activities. >> I I think uh Mr. Chair, may I make a comment? >> Sure. I I thought uh what you and Serpent did to provoke public discussion
was really well thought out and I think it makes it so much easier for the public uh if they come to see examples of uh uh site plans or uh building designs
or building groupings from other places >> because it's so much easier you to say I like that or I don't like that when you see it. And the examples you use with the exception of Stow Vermont maybe were
nearby enough that hey if I want to look more closely I can drive there and see it. Um I think the uh reading the comments in the notes you prepared um about people wanting to maintain the
rural nature of Westport. Um that's that's going to be a challenge because um uh if you're on a main road or you're on
uh Pineh Hill Road, uh you can talk about maintaining rural nature because it's all farms. >> If you're on Route Six and it's all auto shops, it's a steeper hill to climb. to
maintain rural character because that is a high-speed commercial strip and that's what it is. And so I understand the longing for uh rural nature. So I think it may be a
case of I mean you look at town centers in rural areas they have density you know they have similar design you know the ones that are nice and people like to be in um and no one's got the number
of auto shops that we have um for you know sewer reasons and so on but I think if you uh maybe figured out. Are there some examples we could bring in of
how you combine these such contradictory uh uses of commercial strip versus rural field? Those are just contradictory. We've talked about that a lot as a group and I think what we're thinking that
sentiment is coming from is that the Route Six area is punctuated with large areas, large forested areas, and most of that area is is wetland. And I think we need to do a good job of letting people know that these areas are going to be
protected. We should consider changing the zoning to ensure that they stay protected. um >> and that developing in those areas is very expensive and and not really all that likely to happen. Now, that doesn't mean
we shouldn't do anything to try to protect those areas, >> right? >> Um >> but it will limit the amount of commercial activity that can go on there because I think a big concern is we don't want to become we hear this all the time, we don't want to become Dartmouth. We don't want strip malls.
They don't want, you know, 200 some parking lot surface parking lots that, you know, line R route six. People don't want that. They want more smallcale commerce. They want smaller scale buildings. Um and uh yeah, so just a I I
I think that the wetlands piece is something that that we need to talk about more and also to think about is there a way that we can change the zoning so that way these areas remain um un that they remain undeveloped.
when um when I was in graduate school in the early 70s, I did a study of a Kushnet Avenue in the north end of New Bedford which was also trying to we were trying to figure out how you reconcile
that has been since Indian days a transportation path. So it's a commercial strip which has certain kinds of uses and then it's also the center of the north end which has other functions and it's like trying to reconcile a line
and a circle. It it's very difficult. Uh and one of the recommendations we had was similar to some of the comments you got here, which is uh something like a pearl necklace where you develop nodes
>> uh uh uh spaced out by wetlands or however you do it. So it's not there's variety and you get density but not even density. >> Right. >> I I think Michael is correct. I think
that that desire to keep the rural character is that the stud has become a uh a common backyard. People play through there. There's trails through there, the kids. So the kids live in all the the little stub streets that come
down off of, you know, in into that area, you know, that has sort of become everybody's backyard. And I think the the concern of it growing something
nonresidential dense is is a concern, but I don't think it's clearly the the uh the rural rural character of Route 6. That ship has sailed a long time ago. >> Yeah. But I I think you have to realize that the people who have grown up on
Route 6 or right off of Route Six consider that they're a rural character. >> Yeah. >> And what they don't want it to do is change and they don't want to become Dartmouth.
They don't want 10 stop lights down the road. Um, so it I I think if we can make village domes out of those areas that are not
>> forested or wet or something that >> can can work because in a lot of the areas at least on the south side the housing in the middle section comes right up to
the edge of Route Six basically. Um even if there's commercial stuff on Route 6. >> Yep. >> So in in that area, some of the commercial stuff is in former houses, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> Mhm. >> So it'll be a >> it's a good start in an effort. Um, I know that there was a lot of um negative talk about our our show on
uh the internet. Um, that this is just another push to get sewer and we already voted not to get sewer and these guys are terrible. So, we have to realize
>> the the original impetus for this project was coming on the heels of the sewer being voted down. Um, and what we wanted to do is rethink the vision for the Route Six area given the the
constraints, the utility constraints. >> It's really important. We really wanted to think about what can we what can we do to maybe improve some of the the character of the area, create more housing, maybe more affordable housing,
smaller housing um for people looking to downsize or or young families. How can we push that forward a little bit without sewer? >> You know, what what is achievable now versus what could be achievable in 10, 15 years? that the sewer is not
something we're even talking about with this project. >> Right. And so I think what you said is is correct. More some more housing, but I would like us to consider it a way to get housing that is affordable.
>> Mhm. >> Not affordable housing, >> right? >> Doesn't have to go on the state list, >> but if we can figure out how to make modest housing available
at uh affordable prices. That doesn't mean that it's on the list. But >> well, if it goes on the list though, it starts to move our very low percentage. And if we >> can ever get our percentage up to 10%,
then we're not held hostage by chapter 40b developers. >> We're a long way from there. >> We are a long way from there. But you got to get there. >> And there's a push against always talking about affordable housing.
That's going to be on the list. It's going to be that way forever. I I go back to when I was a kid uh in the middle of Massachusetts and my wife uh in Connecticut. They lived in housing developments that
were done right after World War II with really modest size houses 1,200,400 square ft that everybody could afford and it wasn't a government mandate. It was just
that's what sold when the >> everybody came back from World War II. And I think there's a lot of interest in something like that based on the surveying that we did uh or the conversations that we had at the meeting
also as well as in our housing production plan. We had a really good pretty good response rate with that plan. And people like the idea of having um smaller single family homes um particularly the cottage cluster concept
where you have smaller homes maybe like two-bedroom homes are arranged around a green and I think that also would help with um the smaller homes would help with the affordability aspect but then having it arranged around some green space would also help preserve some of that rural character of the area. So, I
think there's a big win potentially in that type of housing. >> And that's not to say that I'm not a for affordable housing. I think we need, as John said, we need a lot more affordable housing. Otherwise, we're going to be
clobbered by 40 40bs. Um, per that article I sent around uh was happening in in California. We also got some information what the market does with the presentation on Marcott Drive
earlier this evening when somebody asked Mark asked you know what what are the houses like what do they sell for a million two so this isn't the 40s anymore this is you know fairly dense development
and it's a million two no one's going to call that you know affordable in Anyway, >> start home in Westport's 800,000. That's what the starter home in Westport's 800,000. >> So, I mean, to me, both prices are insane. The the
>> Mark Drive at 1.2 uh is not dense. I mean, we might consider it dense because the houses are going to be fairly close together, but they're on 60,000 square foot lots. >> It's less dense than Fallon the Fallon Drive neighborhood. >> It is. Yeah. And so if you think about
like Westport Point, that's pretty dense. I mean, except for the fingers that go all the way out to the water, but I mean, the houses are right next to each other. Um, and you know, I think
when I was a young man, we bought a townhouse condominium in Connecticut because that's all we could afford and that was affordable. But today, I mean, you can't do it. I mean, this
Okay. Um, assistant planner support. >> No updates. >> No. Okay. >> That's the first >> take it take it for this week. >> So, minutes of November 18th.
>> Mr. Chair, I've read a I did not attend November 18th, so I can't give a motion, but I'd be happy to do a motion to approve December 2nd. Um, I I I did read both of these as well and I
would move that we uh adopt the minutes of the number 18. They're really very detailed and excellently done. >> I second that. >> Okay. I was there. Uh, all those in favor?
>> I uh I'd like to abstain. >> And to abstain. Okay. Thank you. >> I'll move approval of December 2nd. >> Second. Any comments?
All those in favor? >> I. >> And zoning board of appeals notice Serious Business Inc. on Hicksbridge Road. There was a
business that was in operation on Sodom Road and the machinery was moved from e that location to Hicksbridge and so business can't be operating in that part
of um that part of west uh that part of Hicksbridge I guess I should say. Um and so the zoning off the building inspector issued a cease and desist and it's now been appealed to the zoning board of appeals. It's just a notice of the the
hearing so they haven't considered it yet. >> So this is the property that was on the west side of Sodom Road. Yeah. >> All the excavation stuff and the trees and >> they did some clearing in there too. Um,
looks like it may be just under 40,000 square feet for low impact development, >> I think. >> Yeah, on Hicks bridge. Um, but we'll see what if they get any a use
approval or anything like that, then the building inspector will refer it to us if it does need low impact development approval. But I think they're going to have to get over a pretty sizable hurdle with the ZPA. So, we'll see what happens with it. >> Where is this? Where is zero Hicks
bridge? >> It's across from the dump land. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I saw that. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Going in there. >> Mhm. >> I think it's the property that Kendall Trip >> Mhm. >> used to harvest pilings from.
>> He owns it. So >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> M Mr. Chair, before we adjourn, I'd like to make one comment and that is uh I think we all received the letter
from the highway department about scenic roads. And um as I mentioned to you and and Michael uh they objected because u of things that they may be fearful of
but that aren't actually in the scenic roads legislation and uh said you know we won't be able to pave the street or we won't be able to trim trees. And I'm worried that that kind of misinformation that gets
out there gets repeated. Um is something that's not constructive to whether this is a good idea. I mean, if we want to debate it, we should debate it, but we shouldn't start saying there are things in that law that just aren't
there. >> Uh if they want to tear down a stone wall, yeah, you got to come before. uh if they want to cut down a tree that's more than 3 in, yes, you do. But trimming trees, no. Paving roads, no. That's not it's not in there. So, I know
you uh replied to them >> uh to everyone on that list with uh that kind of correction, but I'm I'm worried that it will uh the people who are worried
um you know, this will spread. And so I don't know if there's a way to uh make that response that you uh so eloquently drafted more public. >> I think
>> he also mentioned in there that um uh my my discussion about tree wardens that he's the tree warden. >> Yeah. Chris. >> And um I'm surprised Jim Hartman didn't know that. Yeah.
>> So, uh I I know that he's the guy that goes and cuts the trees or the he's they're the department that goes and cuts trees, but I think there's a difference. So, >> um
maybe Dia, you could be in touch with Jim Hart and see if if that's that's true. >> Okay. I mean that was my concern too is that Chris does an awful lot you know with
that department very underst staffed department and I mean I thought he had a point is that if this bylaw added more work to him he has to run out and make a determination somebody is
applying wants to know if they can cut down the tree or something to do with the trees on a historic on a scenic roadway. It just adds to his workload perhaps. >> Yeah. Well, I think for >> we have to be just as sensitive to that
as well. >> Yeah, I I I agree. I think we need to put in there somehow that um for instance if there's a dead tree or tree that's dying
it can is going to be a problem in the road that he is unable to go do that without coming to to anybody to to ask if they can do it and have to use his judgment. Yeah, they don't want to be held up. If
there's an emergency and something has to be the tree has to be cleared >> and it's on a seed. >> I think we can add language like nothing in these regulations restrict the the duties of the tree one, you know, that kind of language.
>> Yeah, you can include language like that. I did see that there is precedent for it. Some other communities have something similar in there, but not all of them. But there were handfuls when I was doing the the review. >> And and in in in a great many places in
the town, the the town drainage system is consists of roadside ditches. >> Mhm. >> And and they they do maintain those. >> And they do what? >> Maintain those. >> Yeah.
>> Look at little content. There's dishes all over the place. want a motion to adjurnn, >> please. >> I move that we adjourn. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Greetings to everybody.