Okay. Uh, I'd like to open the regular planning board meeting for Tuesday, whatever day. This is the the 13th. >> 13th. And please join me in pledge of allegiance to the flag. I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> So, this meeting is being broadcast live
as well as being recorded. Um, first up are key action items. A 1 A is proposed 40B development comments, feedback, and discussion.
>> Just a quick correction on the agenda. This actually hasn't been proposed before the ZDA yet. So, okay, this is being um going to be presented by the proponent to the planning board just as a conceptual review to get some initial comments on the um the proposal that
they are intending on bringing to the ZBA at a later date. Okay, >> please identify yourself. >> Uh my name is David Olivera with Hearth and Stone Development. I uh real estate developer and broker here in town.
And uh I'm looking to propose 12 condominium townhouse units. Uh three buildings, four units each, farmhouse style. Uh you should have a packet there with some imagery of the floor plan and layout of what I'm proposing. Three of
them will be affordable. And uh we're going to go through the 40B process. Um, you know, the uh the current parcel is currently uh commercially zoned uh in the science and technology overlay
district. Um, Route Six is right there and uh it's just sort of this empty parcel. So, I'm trying to put it to good use. Okay. So, I see Sanford Road. See where it says? >> Uh, yep. Off to the right over here. And
then on the left, the entry would be on Sanford Road. 24 ft road that would come in. I'm working with uh Sean Leech. He couldn't make it this evening, but uh he's definitely quarterbacking and helping me out through the process quite a bit. I've worked with him a lot. So,
he kind of positioned these like this. Uh, we did have a >> Do you have a locus? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We got Okay. >> Route six is to the north. >> Do you know where Pores is? The restaurant Ports.
>> Okay. There's some apartments in the back that connects to it up through Route 6 in the back. I own the apartments and it in the land in the back there. >> Oh, okay. >> Uh, yes sir. Yeah, we had a preliminary meeting with uh Mass Housing already as
well for the PEL letter and they uh they were pretty excited about it. They um got me logged in so I can start filling out the online application uh municipal water at the street and uh we were going to do private title 5 perk
tests to see where it's going to land. And Sean was mentioning that he would prefer one uh septic system per building if he could. So that's all dependent on the perk test. >> Why why did he say that? >> Uh maybe for a construction cost so it
wouldn't be like spaghetti all leaning uh all going to one septic system. But >> did you say one septic system for the whole development or one for each every single uh >> each building? One each Oh, so three.
>> Three. Yes. Yep. So I still don't understand his thinking on why three is better than one >> uh buildings or or septic systems. Oh, um maybe just from a development cost uh standpoint, having the tubing go
through all uh out the place. And also, I wanted to do if I could phase construction, one building at a time, complete one and move on. So, there would be a lot of uh front loing in the cost to get one entire septic system done. But besides the point, I I could
do all three at the same time economically. >> You could? >> Yes, sir. If you're going to do that, I would think that you'd want to do one septic system >> because that would be that would be cheaper and easier to run. >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely take
that into account. >> And we want to make these as affordable as possible, right? >> Uh yep. Yeah. What's uh what we we uh have to do there is 25% affordable, one uh one in each building. And uh after meeting with Mass Housing, there has to
be at least one end unit as well. So they made that pretty clear. So um I have some renderings uh as well if you wanted to see the building. Um I didn't have time to submit it. If you wanted to take a look at it, if that is relevant
at all for you. >> Sure. Well, there's a little picture there, but that's >> I guess I just have a little more blown up. Maybe a couple more photos. I'll just hand it off to you anyway. Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. >> While we're looking at this one,
it's uh Thank you for including the top topographical the middle uh building the four units. >> Yes. >> I I'm looking at the floor plans and it doesn't look like there's
egress out the back. There's egress out the front. And then did is there another egress? >> Uh yeah. So um I didn't give you a rear photo here, but uh here there's sliding door and there's actually a built patio
uh concrete patio that we're going to put for >> uh that middle building then opens out into a pretty steep uh >> 5 foot and then an additional 5ft. So you know we might have to do a bit of grading in here. The wetlands are pretty
far back here. uh probably going to be in the buffer zone. Um the wetlands have been certified to my knowledge from um a near uh nearby property. I think it was Whailing City Transit had it done for some work that they were doing.
>> But did they have the uh your side of the wetlands done? >> Sean had said he had the wetlands line, but obviously we'd have to reertify. >> You'd have to reertify some time ago. >> Yes, of course. Yeah. We're just going off what was there, that's all.
>> Same with the uh road, the access road itself, which you know, the way you presented, it's flat or crowned, but level, but it's overlaid on a pretty steep hill, so I'm not sure exactly how that makes the first corner there.
>> Yeah. Uh can Mike, can you uh zoom out a little bit, too? >> We stay high up in here. There's definitely going to have to be some serious sight work um to to keep this sort of uh evened out. You know, if necessary, if there's some retaining walls, I'm sure going through the construction is going to develop more
than enough stone to build up some nice um stone work there. Uh if necessary to kind of build up anything, you know, once I get in there and start messing around, we can um definitely make sure that it's done right. I recently just uh was building
something down the road and I got more enough stone to wrap the entire property with over like you know it's like 3 ft high and over 1,000 ft all the way around the entire property of stone. >> So how big are these units? >> They're 7 just over 1,700 ft each. So
1711. They're threebedroom 2 and 1 half bath two floors obviously. >> And they're all the same. >> They're all the same. >> And units as well. >> What's that? end units are the same as the middle ones. >> Uh yeah. Yeah. Obviously a couple extra windows on the sides, but generally all
the same. Everything's got to kind of stay the same. Uh for the chapter 40B, I can't deviate too too much. >> Everything's going to kind of be the same. >> The coloration might change. I'm going to do u border batten siding. The imagery has uh steel roofs. I was going
to do shingling there for economic reasons. Um sorry. Go ahead. So the the the first building, the backs of these properties are very
close to the property line, at least the ones closest uh to the entrance. >> Yep. >> And um I spent a lot of my adult life living in a townhouse condominium in Connecticut.
And in those uh we each unit had a a deck that was um pretty substantial. I mean it had a
cement top and was made out of timber frames and each unit owned their own little backyard. And that was a I think a great amenity
>> having privacy there and your own space. >> Head fence around it. >> Yes, sir. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, automatically my thoughts were to put some type of structure there in between the units. Um some type of privacy screens, of course. Yeah. >> In the back, too. And we also had
walkways. >> Okay. >> Along the back. >> Yeah. >> All around the property >> to come to the front. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not against that. That's for sure. That wouldn't be a huge ask. I think that would be really nice. I
also plan on doing obviously it's, you know, the woods and dark. So along the road I'm thinking about, you know, getting some LED lighting throughout there as well, making it, you know, nice and sort of lit up. I'm taking sort of an inspiration from the project that was
done uh off of 177 towards Dartmouth next to uh Lincoln Park here in Westport, though. I forgot the name of it. No. Yeah. So, >> so, so the the other issue um is ADA compliance. Any of these units going to
be ADA compliant? >> They were not being the two floors that are there. So, these were going to be um I guess the goal would be uh families. >> You can still have ADA compliant for families >> on for first floor. A lot of families
have one person who is ADA 8 ADA >> and I would I would hope that perhaps one or two of the end units could be single story >> so that you could do that you have the space, >> right? Yeah.
>> And it would just require redoing the design of one or two units, >> right? or maybe one for each each building would be nice. But it really is something that we should all always be thinking about >> for sure.
>> Um there's also a requirement on sidewalks, right? For over how many units? >> This is a 40B. So >> Oh, so so that is way >> we don't have anything to say. We don't have any. >> We can say we need sidewalks.
>> Yeah. >> But >> he doesn't listen. The the zoning board can make them. >> But it's something that >> Well, I think it's important to get
feedback and, you know, continue a growing relationship here because I don't think this can be the only project I might present. I've already, you know, done other projects here in Westport and just around and um, you know, they've turned out really good, I think, overall. And, uh, you know, I'm I'm not
against doing a little bit of extras here and there for sure. I I've done very well. I'm not looking to squeak every profit dollar out of it. And if sidewalks come into play, sidewalks can get kind of costly, but if there's room there and we can bring it in or at least
have some sidewalks here. My thought process was to definitely try to find some green space in there for them as well. Um some yard, you know, dog space, something. Um so that that's some additional things that you don't see here on the plan that my thoughts. Yeah,
>> it would be good to have a walkway along your side of the road. Um, >> well, >> be stiffer. >> Yeah, it's going to be a drop off there, but still it should be >> It's not going to be You're going to be
able to see woods basically cuz it's all wet, right? >> Yeah, it drops off pretty steep. And then down here is very wet. Believe it or not, this is all very high and dry. When you walk through here, it doesn't even seem like it drops this much. I mean, yes, this is what it looks like, but when you're walking it, it doesn't
seem so aggressive. >> Mhm. >> So, I think working in there isn't going to be that difficult. It's very thinly uh spar the trees are, you know, not very thick. It's not a lot of bush. >> So, do you own any of the contiguous
lots? >> I do. I own a lot right here, which is the 22 units with the apartment buildings used to be a motel. And um you know I I got in there and definitely cleaned it up quite a bit. Um >> so this is Monaco Investments.
>> Yes sir. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's the entity that single use entity for this. >> I I think uh first of all we need housing in in Westport and uh we need affordable housing. Uh Mr. Daylor
sent around some statistics on housing about how the town is getting older and uh uh and wealthier some uh but the older is the point I
think our chairman's getting at. Uh you're creating a neighborhood which is a great thing. Uh and so I think it would be good even though you may not be required
to think about uh what connects people in the neighborhood to each other because that's what a neighborhood is. That's what neighbors are. They're people who know each other, care about each other.
Uh and sidewalks for example are a way that people meet each other, gather, say hi, you know, in the morning. And private gardens in the back are uh something that creates an investment.
Hey, this is my place. I care about I care about this neighborhood. your description that you'd like to get uh a walk around the the project that people could enjoy what's out there. All of
those kind of things. Um create a neighborhood that people want to be part of. the uh I understand you might be in a bind if the chapter 40B says every unit's got to be the same because that
may conflict with what Jim's talking about that as the population ages. I certainly feel it every time I go up the stairs in my house that at some point one level is preferable as you get
older and it allows you to age maybe not in the same unit but in the same neighborhood. Uh so uh so that may conflict with every unit's got to be exactly the same to provide some single
level. But I think if you're guided by uh what makes this a neighborhood that people are really going to be proud of and they're going to say I know my neighbors, I care about we look out for each other. and uh uh
then you you'll have a good project that people will want to be part of. >> Yeah. Yes, sir. I appreciate that. Yeah. No, I mean that's something that I take into account quite a bit and it's not just me. I run this with my wife and she has a lot of say about uh not just the
dollars and cents. No, >> when you run into whenever you try and squeeze a lot of units, the the first unit as you come in, as as our chairman said, is right near
parking lot and it's it it and it's hard to create room there for a garden because the road can't go any further to the east because I think because of the
grade uh and you can't move everything to the south because it runs into the septic area, >> right? >> So, uh there and there's some challenges there. Uh, but I think if you're if you
and Sean are trying to figure out h how do we create the things that people, you know, a little private space to put a garden may make all the difference in the world to how a person enjoys that >> understood >> place. Yep. Yeah, I take that into account. Yeah. Yes, sir.
>> Yeah. I mean, this there's a lot I could do. I mean, it looks like it's not a lot of space, but I mean this from here to here is like 500 ft or something like that. I'm sure that we could, you know, cut out little sections here. Put some privacy setting, you know, all in here.
Get some grass area in here. This is already grass. It's going to stay grass. So, maybe dog park here or something. So, um yeah, and we could definitely think about some other ideas and do some research. There's a lot of information online that might give me some ideas. Uh
this would be my first 40b project. Most of my projects are not uh looking for the affordable housing route. So, and you know to your point about building the first floor levels, I would build them all day if we had enough. >> You give it to me, I'll build it for
you. And then just point. So, >> well, we're not in the business of creating land for people. It's finite resource. >> But I think that all what John says I think is super and I've been thinking
about the design. I think the design is terrific. >> I think it it's nice. I think it fits. >> I I do like the metal roofs. >> Yeah, it's like three, four times as much. It's like crazy. >> The standard standing seam is pretty
expensive, but there's some new stuff on the market that is uh easier to put on and I think much much cheaper. >> Yeah, I mean I would >> we might take a look at that. >> Yeah, I would love to, you know, talk to you about that a little bit more. If you had time to send me the details on that,
I don't mind. I mean, they are already very good products to put on a roof. You won't have any issues, you know, but um I just had my house uh quoted and I was going to do metal on my house and it it was um it's almost the same square
footage and it it was uh it was pretty crazy uh for >> cost. But there is stuff out there that you that you can have a contractor do yourself instead of >> getting a stand in the scene. >> Okay. Yeah, I mean that that process is
>> I would rather have the medal to be honest with you if it wasn't. >> Well, I was on the board of directors of the one that I lived at for 26 years and after 20 years we had to replace the roofs >> and I was up walking around on these
roofs like that >> and I'm just thankful I'm not doing that today. >> It's crazy. But it is something that the 20 years goes by awful quick and you're gonna have to replace them. So >> I hear it all the time. >> Yes, it does.
>> All right. Thank you so much. >> Back faster and faster. >> Thanks for coming to be. >> Sorry. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Um well, first of all, I think the best thing you said is that you have your wife involved. >> They can they can come up some great
ideas. Um I do in general um think you're off to a good very good start. Um just offer a few comments on the site plan and the uh and the units. Um regarding the site if
you could find a way to uh at the terminate at the terminus of the the last unit there. >> Yeah. uh by sliding them forward a little bit so that you could get a turn a proper turnaround.
>> Oh, interesting. >> You know, I mean, you're going to have delivery trucks and and uh people coming and uh down that road and they'll need some place to turn around. So, >> yeah. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. It would wouldn't cost me anything. If we try to just bump this a little bit,
that would give me enough room to do that here and it wouldn't cost me any more road. This road here would just loop. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, >> you can move it northeast too. >> East that way. >> Yeah. >> As far as the road here.
>> No. Give you more room if you moved it up up a little bit for a turnound at the end. >> Yeah. The other thing is I wonder if I switched the buildings if that was a big deal in his mind. No, because he wants space for them and stuff. Yeah. >> Yeah. Definitely a lot of talking points
still. This is definitely just an early mockup. I imagine there's going to be changes, especially once we get the perk test done and we know where and what and if what's going to happen there. >> And you probably don't need I don't know I'm speaking out of turn here, but you
probably don't need to put the turnaround at the very end end. You might be able to do it in front of the middle building. >> Oh, interesting. >> I don't know if that would be approvable or not, but >> gear. >> No, no, no.
right there in that. >> Oh, I see. They just stop here. Deliver. Okay, I see what you're saying. >> Or in that open space. >> It's here. I was confused. Yeah. >> In that open space to your left >> right there. >> So like in this range, right? >> Some probably here
or a pulloff or something so they can make the turn. >> Yeah. I was already thinking about having some visitor parking. If there's like a Christmas party or something, people come over, you know, people can fill up streets pretty quick. This is 24 ft wide, but just enough to allow people to get by, especially if there's an
emergency. My other suggestion uh about in the sighting is that and we were talking about this issue of the privacy, a little private space. Um, you could you could achieve if you took
each if each cluster of four you down the middle you separated two from two. You didn't physically but you slip them a little bit. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> So slightly one is one group of two is in front of the other group of two. That
offers a little bit of privacy >> in the front for sure. There's not a whole line of >> four patios lined up and everybody walking out. There's the ones slip behind have a little privacy from the ones in front and vice versa. >> Yeah, I mean it could make sense doing
that too, especially over here. So they get sort of even backyards. You slip this one forward. You come around this one can slip maybe like this. >> So it's definitely that would not be any more cost. it since they're on slabs, the foundation wouldn't be that much
more money or anything. So, it would pretty much be the same cost. >> Yeah. I I wasn't even going to suggest, but I guess if it's I heard something about being 40B, they all have to be similar. So, that adding a uh just a
porch roof over the end unit of each cluster. >> Yeah. uh so that someone could enclose could actually have besides I mean outdoor space could have a screened in little porch. I don't know if that makes it too much different causes too much of
a differential between the other units but um it's a way to add more value to those end units. Um you don't do it on every end unit. You just do it in each cluster on the >> on the end where you drive in. Right. on the end unit where the living room, the
great room is on faces the end, not the dining room. >> So you're saying maybe here. >> No, no, the other there. Yeah, cuz that's the great room, right? >> Yeah. >> Y that is right. >> Yeah. So you go off of that >> Yeah.
>> space and uh >> or you could just do it on both ends. Maybe it would just be incorporated into the overall architectural design and I could try to squeak it by that way. Because if you do it on both ends, then >> it's just to enclose the the space. I would have to just do it on all of them.
>> Yeah. >> Well, it's up to you. It just adds it adds value to the to these units. >> You're already building a slab for an outdoor patio. >> Y >> So then you're putting up two posts and and a roof, >> right? >> And then they can enclose it with a
screens that they want or just, you know, gives them some some shaded space, which is >> Yeah. I mean, I'm not against a covered space for all of them to be honest. I'm already putting the patio there. It's just the cost of really the lumber. The framing guys are going to be there anyways. So, if they throw that in, it isn't going to be that crazy. You know,
some pylons. Uh, so there's definitely some design as far as outside of these structures that I'm going to uh take into account, and that is definitely one of them cuz I was sort of thinking that already. one slab coming off the back is something you see in the south more often and up here they tend to get
enclosed more often. >> So I I'd be more interested in closing them anyways. >> But but in general though I mean I think you're you've made a good attempt to uh you know with these gable roofs that
come out over the garage and the and the roof over the entryway. you know, you help break down the scale, >> give it some dimension, but still, you know, yeah, have economically it makes sense. >> That was my goals. >> So, um
I I assume the How are these going to be heated and cooled? Are they going to be uh >> heat pumps? >> Electric heat pumps. >> Yep. Yep. Energy efficient. Seir 19 or whatever the goal is on the heat pump systems. Yeah. Electric.
>> Yeah. And uh >> fortunately or unfortunately, everybody's a little impartial, but um they like to see a lot of it in the chapter 40B. There's literally an entire section on sustainability and um you know, all of these things. So
>> So with 40B, uh is it accurate to say that all the units have to be the same? >> Yes. Yeah. >> I thought it was just the affordable ones had to be indistinguishable from the others. They yes that right
>> so >> I mean go ahead >> but you can't have a mixture of two bedrooms and three bedrooms. >> This is just so you know I'm learning too as I had said I've never done 40B
before. So um I mean it's definitely something I could bring to the table. what just so you know economically you know viability of the project sort of depends on the square foot sale price of the market ones um and I can't reduce
the other ones um too much because then it would definitely not be in compliance if I made smaller onelevel uh units for the affordable I I don't want to hurt them at all I think that's
the biggest point is you can't hurt the affordable acquirers, right? The buyers >> the affordable wouldn't necessarily have to be the one level units, >> right? >> But I have to sell them cheaper. So, I'm talking from like money standpoint. I
got you got to get like a certain square footage of sale rate on the market rate ones and there's only nine. So those nine I so far how it's been underwritten, how I've looked at it is I've got to try to get that 1,700 square
ft out of those um you know if possible. >> So do you >> especially if adding things, you know? Sorry. Go ahead. >> Do you feel from your marketing knowledge that you have to have 1,700 square ft?
>> That's Yeah. Yep. That was uh for the sellout price. Yeah. >> And why is that? >> Uh because then you end up getting the sale price that you're looking for on the market rate ones, you know, when this comes online in like 2028. So it's like, you know, a moving target, but you
do the best you can. >> And do these have basements? >> No. So you we don't really have much to say here except give you our thoughts. >> Yes. >> My thought is you could make them a
little bit smaller and have basements. >> Okay. >> Cuz basement usable space for a lot of people. Um and especially those ones on the steep thing. You might have a walk out basement instead of a walk out dining room. >> Yeah, maybe the back too. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah, you you might be right about that, too. >> And I lived for 26 years in a,270 something square foot that I bought in the 70s. >> Uh, and the larger ones, I had a twobedroom, but the two bedrooms are
large. Basically the same setup. >> Oh, interesting. But the the front doors were up a flight of stairs because we had basements and some of the
property was had ledge and I water table so they didn't go down too far but quite a few people finished the basement. So that 1270 something square foot >> goes to 2000
>> property right. So just my thoughts. >> Yeah. >> Having having dealt with this, >> we had 156 units on 13 1/2 acres.
So it was tight, but we each had a private backyard and it was a great place actually for somebody starting out. And that's what I would envision here, starting out or or going down in size. >> Yeah. I mean, we could talk a little bit
about that. You had said 13 acres, right? How many units? >> 156. >> So, I could do 75 units on this then. >> You could. >> Well, no, you got some wetlands. I mean, it's >> No, I'm just joking.
>> But no, I mean, I I think that we could definitely squeak out some space here for sure. I I wish that um the land wasn't the way it was. >> As far as the um >> as far as the um
I wanted so bad to not get messed up because of that, but I totally forgot my thought. Well, oh, the basement cost. So, when you put basement in, you got to start worrying about the foundation. With these, I just have to do footings. You know, you guys probably know better
than me. You know, the the cost of uh the foundation that I did over here was was pretty intense. Uh having to go and, you know, get 8 foot ceilings in the basement and then I just finished the basement anyway. So, if I did basement here, I'd have to finish them and try to, you know, get the living square footage with the walk out. You know, I'm
not against it for sure. But one thing I want to do too is definitely see the area a little bit better. um and see what we're working with as far as walkouts because I could just do maybe walk outs in the back here and then up there I don't you know um but again just
so preliminarily you know the discussions going on there's so much more that I have to check out over there Sean walked it once you know a couple times maybe and so um I'm going to get a lot more insight on you know viability
of you know various um options basement. You don't have to finish them. I mean, people need storage space. >> And it helps keep, you know, people from spreading their junk around the yard, so
to speak, cuz more storage space >> for sure. >> Available. And uh and then they can turn them in on their own. They can finish them and create a little, you know, man cave down there or whatever they want to do. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know again I'm I'm not
against it >> but uh so it's it's a thought but uh my final comment was can you look in that middle cluster if that could move be separated a little more >> yeah move yeah that makes about that
earlier >> that makes a lot of sense yeah that's that's definitely would be the goal it would be nice to push the whole thing back a little bit it's le less road I have to build road is very expensive this is a long road Um, so obviously if I could put it back, it it would also
allow maybe some green space down here. >> So it's all how you can configure those three septic fields, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a big deal. >> I mean, they don't have to all be clustered together like that >> or one big septic, you know. So, however
it goes, you know, um Sean is uh sort of the madman um that put this down on paper. So, he might have had a methodology that I can't explain here as to why he put it like this, but I I will get more information.
>> Seems like an awful big septic field for the >> uh Just so Just so you're aware, this is a septic system already for Poris. This is installed already. >> Oh, this is for the restaurant. >> Yes. Yeah, they have an easement. What you're looking at there is an easement.
>> Well, that's what that line is here. >> Yes, sir. Yeah, this is the easement that runs this way and goes across my property to Poris. Poris used to be a part of my property until um I forgot the gentleman's name, but had subdivided it and sold it to the current owners.
>> So, you can't So, that septic system is for another property. >> That's correct. >> Oh my god. >> I know. So, that's why it's grass already. Fortunately, it's not any bump up or anything, but it's it's just grass. So, and it's maintained. That doesn't leave you much to work,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Um I I don't think the idea I'm going to suggest is possible because it involves a couple of extra turns in the driveway,
but uh and especially as you mentioned, the septic system is already there. It's already an easement that can strain you. But I wonder if Sean could see if it's possible on the top building to put it
on the other side of the road >> so that the road would make a turn quicker on the property. >> Okay. >> Then it would have to turn back. But what you would do if if you had it
the building on the other side of the road Yeah. >> is all of a sudden you've got more room in the back >> and you're not as constrained by that property line. >> Yeah. And everybody looks at the grass. I mean this is high up too. So another question of mine is when I walk out
there, can you see sort of the Route 6 infrastructure chaos that's going on over there? this building doesn't want to look out at that, you know, uh so much. So, I I want to make sure the trees stay in place. I'm going to be very selective when we're doing construction in here to leave as much
trees uh as possible um while still trying to create those spaces so that there is some privacy from seeing those things, too. That that's a big thing for me. I'm going to be marking them individually to keep what I can. >> So, are the buses still in that lot there?
>> Yeah. So if you do have a full basement to keep coming back to that and you build out over this steep slope, >> you've now got a possibility of a walk out basement. >> Yeah. Right. >> So you've got added >> Yeah, that was the point where Yeah,
that's that'd be a great way to do it. Um but that's when I was saying then I could finish them and it'd be nice, you know, but like you said, maybe kind of leave them. So, I mean, at that point, it becomes a numbers game where you start to kind of play around with it in the underwriting process. Um,
>> but before I get too crazy into underwriting and all these different things, you know, trying to make what I can happen and theorize the best situation that I can so it's viable. That's the biggest thing. >> Well, with the basement, and granted, it
it costs more, but it does a couple of things. you mentioned the uh kind of correlation between amount of square feet and what you can sell it for. >> Mhm. >> So a basement's going to add uh square footage, right?
>> The other thing is Mark is pointing out is the advantage of building on a hill is you can get two ground floors, >> right? >> And which is, you know, in terms of marketing the unit, >> it's fantastic. You could do a deck and
a patio. >> Yeah. >> And you've got two ground floors. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Totally fine with that. Especially if we can get that other building on the other side of that road cuz then I could do all walkouts and they're all exactly the
same and there's no question there. >> And then a deck. You could you'd definitely be able to put a privacy screen up if there's a deck on the the real first floor, not the basement, right? Um I'm sorry I forgot who mentioned that part but uh in closing uh
that would be nice. So >> and the condo documents for each individual unit. >> Uh I think it would be good if you can make the little private backyard. >> Yeah. >> That they get ownership of the right to
use that little space so it isn't just >> Oh, for sure. Yeah. No, that'll be deed. Yeah, that'll be fine. Yeah, absolutely. >> Well, you make them nice enough. You got four of us here now. You only have to sell eight more. >> There you go. >> Yeah, there's no bedroom on the first
floor. I was looking at different options trying to get a bedroom on the first floor, but I I'm trying to stay within the constraints. These are 101 ft long by 43 ft. And uh when you get a bedroom on the first floor, it kind of blows the whole thing out. Um so, you know, it starts to become like an
architectural issue at that point. But >> so I to me I think what is missing in the in the housing market today >> are smaller. >> What is really missing from like after World War II?
>> Yeah. The capes every every had these little cakes that were >> 1200 square feet,000 square feet and they're so easy. >> Yeah. And so I wouldn't be constrained by trying to say that somebody's told you that 1,700 ft is the is the right size.
>> No, I came up with that number. And you know, the road being 900 ft long and the septic systems, the site work that has to happen. Though the you know the the septic system is literally a question mark at this point. So you try to stay real safe on on the numbers, you know,
uh because it gets real costly bringing the utilities. The water line is on Sanford Road. So that has to be brought the whole length of it as well. Um the electric that has to be brought in might have to be some sort of a phase um because of the power uh constraints
because of the energy requirements. So you know obviously you guys uh aren't in the business of increasing regulation it seems to be you know there is a lot that I'm trying to navigate and it increases costs a lot. You know just in January
they increased uh construction cost substantially. Uh, no. >> Due to the Ring, so >> stubbed Sanford Road. And >> so there's no water on Sanford Road yet. >> Uh, Sanford, uh, Sean said there was. There might not be. He might be mistaken.
>> There there's a stub on Route 6 for Sanford Road. >> Maybe he's trying to get me to bring it. >> Oh, >> you're talking to the water guy right here. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, >> so we might have to do a weld then, but I'll tell Sean about that for sure.
Although that is a short stretch of Sanford Road. If you're looking for a guy to bring it in, it would be me. >> It's probably easier to do that. >> There's a 12 engine in Route Six and stuff at Sanford Road. It may it may come down a tiny bit on Sanford Road, but I don't think it comes down this
far. >> Uh, I had one question. The frontage for this lot is on Sanford Road. How how wide is that frontage? It's 32 and 12 ft >> roughly. >> So it' be 24. And you guys, you know,
the sidewalk up on the front, there is a sidewalk on Sanford Road. So maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to try to bring it all the way up, but you know, again, a lot of question marks, right? So if I got to bring that water line up, that would probably make it um a little bit more costly. So
because I would probably be required to bring the size that Sanford Road might need up Sanford Road and then stub off what I need. Correct. Yes. So that's I've done that before >> and so uh >> is there water apartments?
>> Yes, >> there is. Does it come up Sanford or is it >> I think it comes up there. Maybe it does come up that >> maybe just from the apartments up. >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll I'll definitely check.
I'm going to walk out there and probably wherever it's stubbed, I'll see the water cap to be honest. It's probably right on the road. So, I could just walk in >> and find out for sure. >> There's a valve at the end. Yeah. >> Are there any grants available to you for doing this?
>> Um, that's a good question. I don't know if there are. I don't think that there are. There is another program called EOHLC or something like this. Michael might know the acronym, but um, but you get more grants through that program. I
I forgot why, but for this program, this building, this setup, I after speaking with those individuals, initially at the end of last year, this project wasn't viable or not in what they wanted to do this uh so, you know, I forgot exactly
the reasoning, but you know, everyone was pushing me to do this just through the mass housing anyways, uh the 40B process. >> So, I I don't know the process at all. So, >> okay, >> don't mind my stupidity, but the I would
think that if you said instead of 25% affordable, I'll do 40% affordable. Uh, if you give me a grant to help with the infrastructure. >> Yeah. So, >> and that might might actually be better
for you financially for I don't know. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely an option to explore. The next step down is 50%, so it's uh it's 75 uh 25% affordable, 75 not, and 5050. And I think with the 50/50 there might be some options. I
didn't uh explore that too much. I think with their grants there are as elaborate I know a lot of developers who do much larger projects and they've told me to kind of stay away from it due to timelines and um and actual payouts
aren't nearly what you would get if you kept within the constraint to the 7525 um you would make more on the market rate versus what you're going to get that extra 25%. Um, so that's why I kind of didn't dabble too too much in it personally. So I know just as much as
you as far as that goes. >> So what what are you >> budgeting for septic system? >> I think it's about 350,000 320,000 in that range which is probably high >> divide by 12 that's
30 30 something >> right? Um, >> it's too bad we don't have the sewer coming down to Sanford Road. >> Yeah, I mean I I was going to um do a much more elaborate uh project if that were the case. Um, where does the sewer
end? >> There is no sewer. >> None at all into Westport. Right. It stops at Whites. >> It's at the hotel. Flights in the hotel are have a private sew connection to Fall River. There is a sewer all designed
in the entire length of almost the entire length of route uh six. Uh but the town meeting two years ago or three years this town meeting turned it turned it down >> last time. >> Yeah, I was I was watching that as well.
While I had this property then as well, you would have seen 100 units go up. >> You could get 100 units on that. >> I think it was 15 units per acre. I think I have almost seven for that. >> That came out to 99 units I could have put. >> Mhm.
>> If you could fit it. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, yeah. I mean, um, any other questions at all or, uh, feedback at all? I really appreciate the, you know, honestly you guys just taking the time to look at this. Um, I I wanted to be upfront about what you guys are going to
get notified by. As soon as I file for the PL letter, you guys get notified and have 30 days for comment. So, it's nice to talk with you guys and you see it in advance. I know it's not a huge project, but >> I think everything is is
interesting. So, anything is interesting. We really need We just got our uh housing plan approved today. Yesterday, we just got the letter and that calls for more housing.
>> Yeah. Your 2025 housing update. It's like 180 pages, >> right? >> Yeah. I read the whole thing. >> It's elaborate and it has this on it like four times. >> Mhm. >> Wow. So, um, you must not have anything else to
do. >> This is my life, man. I'm a nerd. I love this. >> So, we do need housing. >> Yes, sir. >> And one of these days, we're going to get whacked with South Coast Rail MBTA adjacent
community, which will require zoning like failed, >> right? Um, and to me, at least the concept, I haven't seen what your real plans are, but it looks looks good. >> Okay. >> Except for all the comments we get.
>> Of course, I appreciate it. And I think you'll see a lot of that come through and I think you guys would be happy uh if you were to go down there and see the culmination of what ends up happening um if everything works out. So, you're more than welcome. So, if does Michael have your your contact information?
>> Oh, for sure. >> I do. Yeah. We've been talking regularly. >> So, I'll try to research what I found about metal roots. >> Please do. Yeah. >> It's not the standard one. It's something that you get in sheets and >> you know, you're right. I see these
houses that don't look like um you know, the build is a super high cost, but they still have metal roofs. And I was curious every time like you drive through New Hampshire and you see all these metal roofs, I'm like, how are they doing that? You know, my last roof quote for metal was like $100,000 versus
$25,000. And so, >> um, I don't understand how they were doing that. So, >> that's the standard raised seam one where they come in. >> Mhm. >> But you can buy panels like 4x8 sheets of plywood that already have this stuff.
>> Mhm. >> On it. is and it meshes together and just screw it in. >> Mhm. Yeah. Okay. I'll definitely explore that. I think that'd be fantastic. Everything comes in black so it'll look good. >> Right. >> So, thank you so much. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Next is approval not required. ANR for 15 Greeks Road file number 25-3150 request by Joseph Yarrett for endorsement of a three lot plan of
land located at 15 Greeks Road accessessor's map 23 lot 28 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen my name is Alex Gadesk and representing Mr. yard and for your consulation is a 15
bricks road. It's 16 a little bit over 16 acres parcel and it's being subdivided into three lots. Uh there is a existing house on this lot and uh one
brick face garage and one small bar. So uh the lot will be the part site will be subdivided into three parcels. one parcel uh that houses the building. The main house will be about 6 acres, a bit
over 6 acres uh and two other lots will be a little bit under five acres. the uh wetting line has been flagged and so there is uh sufficient two three and four acre I believe 4 acres of uh
approximately of uplands and that's pretty much pretty much it. So >> you said there's an existing house >> right here. Yeah. 15 bricks road.
>> This is the lot where the big gateway. >> This the this is a long big long brick faced house on the on the bricks on the bricks road with nice uh brick entrance way. Two brick entrance ways. So one brick entrance way will serve this way.
That one will serve smaller entrance. So this lot and this would be separate driveway. >> What was the story? I've always been interested in Jordan driving by and saying somebody had a very grand idea to build this house in that little
>> Mr. uh Joseph Mr. Mr. Yar Tony Yar who I knew he passed away I knew him very well was a person of means and he had actually inside pool in this house. Yeah. Down in the basement. >> No, not in the basement. On the first in
this week there was not anymore but uh >> there was there was a swimming pool there. >> So it was built about what year? Do you know? >> End of >> I I would think so. >> I I I would guess end of end of
>> I thought it was older but >> maybe 17. No, maybe 72 73 this land was developed by a local developer, Mr. William Ferrer. And uh that's that's that's what it was.
>> Okay. I've always been curious about that a lot myself. >> There will be three three houses. They they people are not uh greedy. They want leave a nice have a nice nice property, nice welcoming lots and horses there
too, didn't they? >> Uh I don't may maybe it's way maybe maybe in a barn probably in a barn and uh as a interesting piece of trivia there is a trailer that has a
very nice uh 1956 Oldsmobile in it. And for whatever reason, all the lots of uh cast iron bathtubs. For whatever that means. >> Cast iron what? >> Bathtubs. >> Oh, bathtubs.
>> Yes, but that's what it is. >> Everybody needs >> I don't know. But that's that's that's all looks nice. >> So, here's spread out. There's the garage and one lot in the barn on
another lot in the house. >> Barn will be will be probably demolished and replaced with the house because there was a perk test done behind the barn >> barn and it's not a great shape garage. It's a nice building. I I don't know what's going they have no plans for the
garage at this moment. It's nice brick faced large building. Do you want a motion, Mr. Chair? >> I do. Just just one comment that you don't have a locust on your map. >> Yeah. >> The upper corner.
>> I don't see it. I mean, I see the place where it's supposed to be. >> There it is. >> Yeah. >> Right. There's one. >> Oh, this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's on the paper. >> Okay. I see.
Yeah. >> Okay. I entertain a motion. >> Mr. Chair, I move to endorse the approval not required plan file number 25-3150 for 15 Briggs Road, Westport, Mass prepared for Joseph Yard as it complies
with the requirements of Mass General Laws chapter 41 section 81P. >> Second. Any comments, questions? All those in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Next is approval not required. ANR for 21 I'm sorry, 28 Kahun's Lane, file number 26-3248. Request by Steve Kiosa for endorsement of a land swap located on Kahun's land
assessors map 2 lot 10 11 and 13. Uh good evening. For the record, Steve Gioso with Scitec representing the owner this evening. Uh Brendan is here um the owner and the applicant for this particular project. Um, this is a three
separate parcels of land located uh off of Kahoon's Lane and Brendan currently owns the main parcel here. is large tract of land uh spanning across here. Uh mostly farm agricultural land uh is
currently used for uh the lot uh we did title research goes back to the early 1900s has been a landlocked parcel with deed rights of access to the property but no frontage on Kahoon's Lane. Um, so Brendan
approached two of his neighbors. Um, the owners who have uh this parcel adjacent to his lot uh right alongside his parcel with frontage heading away from Kahoon's Lane. And then the homeowner who has a
house here adjacent uh right on Kahoon's Lane, they had sufficient frontage to be able to deed a parcel of land to Brendan to facilitate uh the start of access to his property.
And then the landowner adjacent to him uh also agreed that they would be able to create a separate parcel that would then complete the physical access or the ability to have physical access to the property tying the new frontage which
would be located here uh which would comply with zoning. Bring the parcel in here and then in exchange Brendan would deed a narrow strip of land to the land owner here. So, we have a little summary on how the lots change
and what you'll see is this land owner and Brendan end up swapping within a couple of square feet um land area. So, the parcel here goes from Brendan to this land owner. The next strip of land, which starts here
and goes to here, would go from the adjacent land owner and be incorporated into Brendan's lot. And then finally in the front there' be this little L-shaped piece that would be deeded out of the house lot here. Uh provide the required
150 ft of frontage on Kahoon's Lane. They would be left with sufficient frontage to still be uh considered a buildable lot. It'll have I think 200 ft of frontage thereabouts. And again that's all summarized in the table uh on
the plan. So, in the end, you've got, and I think this ties into Mr. Bullet's comment earlier on the 40B project, neighbors learning about each other's plightes and working together. The the three neighbors uh were able to work out
something that accommodated Brendan's need to get physical frontage uh to his property and at the same time uh not diminish the um adjacent lots below the required zoning. So you essentially have
a an equal land swap here and here and then a deeding of a parcel. The remaining area and frontage for this lot exceed the zoning requirements. Uh so there's really no new lots being created. There are three lots involved in this transaction now. And when we're
done, there will still only be three lots um for this parcel. So, it's really just an accommodation of neighbors to uh get this legal frontage and uh we're looking to be able to move forward with Brendan's plans for the property.
>> So, planners, please give us your opinions here. >> Sure. >> So, yep. Um this is all Upland Res. Um this proposal to convey approximately 14.5 uh,000 square feet of land from lot one
to lot three. uh 14.3,000 square feet of land from lot three to lot one that exclude land exchange um Mr. GSO was talking about and about 13.4 four square ft of land from lot two to lot one to create that access path or to finalize that access path and provide adequate
frontage for lot one um on Kahun's lane which Kahun's lane um also known as driftway or proprietor's way issuing on a plan of land belonging to Joseph Aquard from um April 28th 1919 and found in the Bristol County Registry of Deeds
um with uh so both of those two parcels front on Kahoon's Lane with um that back parcel fronting on Blossom Road also a public or which is a public way, pardon. Um when thinking about frontage, um after the conveyance, lot one will have
150 ft of frontage on Kahun's way, Cahoon's lane. Lot two remains in compliance with over 150 ft of frontage. And then lot three, that back parcel from Walsome Road, but the length does not meet frontage requirements at 129. Um lot three is already developed with a
single family home and the degree of non-conformity doesn't increase with this proposal. Um the ways do have sufficient width, suitable grades and adequate construction to provide for the needs of the field of traffic in relation to the proposed use and the lots meet the intensity requirements. So we do find
that it meets the criteria for an ANR endorsement and recommend um that the planning board endorse the plan. So if we approve this these land swaps, are we opining that lot one has sufficient frontage for building
>> for both? Which one? For one and >> one lot one the big one. >> Yep. Are we saying that has enough frontage, legal frontage and access, including the 50ft circle that has to go from this
from the frontage to the main part of the >> houses? It's ultimately the building inspector who would make the determination as to whether or not has adequate frontage on Kahun's Lane. I would contend that it does. Um, but that would be determined at the time of
requesting a building permit. And I assume that this created link to Coahones Lane is 50 ft wide. >> Yes, >> that's correct. Yes. I'm trying to reconcile the this plan
with the aerial view that's on here and the arrows pointing to the site, the main the big lot one and the driveway access. I don't know why to me. >> Yeah, the driveway access to lot one at
the present time comes in over at this corner here. The opposite here is pointing to >> right. It's not pointing to where the >> new access would be. >> Yeah, there is the driveway for this house is here. >> And then this is what we'd be creating
for legal frontage and the 50ft strip tying the lots together. The physical access to this lot at the present time comes through a deed right of access on the opposite end of the property. So there's deed right of access and this
is going to then create legal frontage for the lot. So in the end, the two lots that are being impacted for frontage, what's going to become lot two and what's going to become lot one will both have at least 150 ft of frontage on
Kahun's lane meeting the current standards. And I think as uh Mr. Burus indicated the ultimate decision on buildability falls to the building commissioner and the applicant did speak with him prior to initiating this u proposed land swap.
>> So do the access the applicant have the ability to use both you know the deed access on the west side and this >> yeah we're not giving up our rights of access on this end here. So that would
remain as a potential point of access for the property, but this would also open this up as a potential point of access to the property, although we have not developed a plan to provide access from there at this point.
>> So is this currently the big lot under agricultural easement? >> Is it under a agricultural restriction at the present time? Your land? No, >> that is not land. No, not at the moment.
>> Mr. Chair, I I don't have any objections. Mr. Giosa said it's three lots and it's going to be three lots in the future, but I think lot one is not a buildable lot. So, what we are doing is
creating it uh as a buildable lot. that >> it would create it would it would make the argument we would argue that it's a grandfathered lot. It goes back to the early 1900s. It has not been held in common ownership. Um but instead of
fighting that fight, this is a way of addressing that issue without without fighting the fight on the the grandfathered rights. I >> I don't have a problem with it. If when you want a motion, I'll make it. >> But the aerial view shows buildings on that lot. No, I think that's
>> there's a barn on the property. >> Yeah, it serve it's agricultural land at the moment. It's used as an agricultural land. There's a barn that serves that agricultural use. >> You bring up the u >> I don't I don't have it on here. I think the orientation of that map was flipped
around from um a a north view. So, >> I think that's the reason why you're having a little bit of confusion reading it. >> Yeah, this aerial view sort of shows a building or maybe a couple of other I don't know what they are, but
>> but I think lot one is the green lot, not the >> So, one is confusing is this red arrow here. What is that referring to? >> That's the subject parcel. >> That's the law one. Yeah,
>> but it's already got something on it. >> Yeah, it's an it's an agricultural structure that's on the property now. >> Superimposed on it. >> Is it just a dirt road or something? >> Yeah. >> So, that's that's from the deed access.
>> Correct. >> So, it's who said it's not buildable? We don't know. Why wouldn't it be buildable? That's an ancient way. It should be mobile. >> Again, we we it's going to have 150 ft
of footage after this swap, but it doesn't have it now. >> Currently, yeah. Great. >> So, all this stuff is going, if you're looking at these aerial, it's going at the top of this lot. >> Yeah.
>> Not at the bottom of the lot where the other arrow is. Right. >> Well, the arrows that deed access that they would have. >> So, what's on there now? It looks like a house and a barn. >> No, there's no house on the property.
>> It's It's a barn. >> The owner's here. We can You can tell us what's on the property. >> It looks like there's a a real driveway going from Cahoon's Lane all the way to the middle of this lot already. >> Correct. That's the access to the
agricultural land at the moment. Yes. >> I see. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> You want a motion, Mr. Chair? Sir. >> Uh, I move to endorse the approval not required plan file number 26-3248
for 28 of Lane, Westport, Mass prepared for Brendan Lord as the plan does not require subdivision approval under Mass Law section chapter 41 section 89. >> Second. >> Any questions, comments? All those in
favor? I I >> Very good. Thank you. Okay. Next is Corey Ridge Estates file number 23-035C endorse milar. >> Um yep. So this is just back before us. Um
originally when they went to record the miler with the registry they not the registry noticed that the sheet said one of six and they wouldn't accept it. So now the myar says sheet one of one and we'll just have y'all endorse it. um after the meeting if that's okay. Um
they have a pre-construction meeting um this Thursday 116 or sorry this Friday 116 and the HOA document is currently under review of the town council. So >> want a motion? >> Do we need a motion? >> No, we just need you all to hang around
after the meeting to sign the myar. >> We'll endorse it after as we're leaving. So, okay. Next is Francis Estates file number 24-37C- SPA-LID. Cemetery signage approved by the planning board.
>> Yeah. Per the conditions of approval for this um development. Francis states the cemetery signage should be approved by the planning office. So, we connected the attorney attorney Dome with Betty Slade and they've connected on signage and have selected Jeremiah Dval family
cemetery as uh the name and so I just included the email correspondents as a print out. >> Okay. We don't have a picture then. >> Uh he has no no picture yet, but he has some um kind of like mockups. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> I can ask for an update for that too. So of the various names, what's it going to be called? Jeremiah Deval Bure. >> Uh Jeremiah Deval Family Cemetery. >> Jeremiah Deval Family Cemetery. Okay. >> Yep.
>> Okay. Do we need a motion for that? >> No. >> Okay. Next is planners report barrier beach management plan update. >> Yeah, the draft barrier beach management plan is available for viewing on the town's website as well as I printed off
a copy of all 400 some pages of it. Um, so >> you can put lay these down on the beach. It'll keep the sand there. >> Well, there you go. Yeah.
So anyway, you you can check out it's it's very detailed. Um Wood's whole group has a series of recommendations in there as well as some analyses that they had prepared that you all saw um them present at a previous public meeting on
beach nourishment on the town's barrier beaches. So it's a very detailed plan. Um I would recommend in the table of contents at least checking out the section that outlines policy recommendations to the town. Um, this is just a draft. So, we're going to be
doing more public engagement on this in the future, as well as having further discussions with the select board who will ultimately, we're hoping, adopt the plan, which will then be submitted to D for permitting. So, this is um being
funded by Coastal Zone Management and we have to start wrapping up the grant at the end of the fiscal year. So, um we'll be >> by June. >> Yes, we'll be doing this Yeah. through June 30th. So, it'll be a >> So, I haven't gotten to read the 400
pages since you put it here >> an hour ago. Uh, and I went to one of the hearings on one of the sections under study where there was a recommendation for beach
renourishment that had an estimated cost, if I remember correctly, something like 16 million. is that and that's just one of the three study areas. So presumably if it was a similar recommendation to the other then you're
talking about 16 million * 3 48 million. It would actually be less for some of the other barrier beaches because what what you're referring to is for East Beach and East Beach requires a lot of cobble to bring. >> That's still a lot of money for beach
reourishment. >> Is that what we're going forward with permitting? >> No. >> So the the the plan there the that analysis is actually an appendix to to the plan. So, it's not recommending that
the town pursue that option. It's just something that's been discussed very heavily um and recommended from various stakeholder groups that the town should pursue beach nourishment on those beaches. But, we've never really had a handle on what those costs would actually be. So that's why we did that
analysis was to establish not only the cost but also if the town were to pursue grant funding, what kind of parameters would we would we receive grant funds under? And an important caveat with getting grant funds is that you have to provide public access to the nourished
portions of the beaches. I think the report is is very well done technically and everything, but that that analysis was strictly a piece of analysis. Someone asked the question, what would it cost to do beach
nourishment along East Beach? $16 million. That's answer that question. Who does it? How does it get done? How long does it last? What's the economic value of doing that? Those questions are unasked and unanswered.
>> And and and one of the big questions is is this public money spent on private property? because most of those are most of that would be the town owns some of the lots at the very far end,
but most of those most of that those lots are privately owned. Yeah, I I was at some of these meetings uh especially the one on Atlantic Avenue uh and we discussed a wide range of the
things and part of beach nourishment it can be this much or this much. >> Yeah. >> And so it you know really depends on what you mean by beach nourishment. It just have one meaning. So,
>> so in in the the the analysis that Woods whole group did, um the assumption is based around having enough material on the beaches to protect against a 10-year storm, which is a pretty in terms of talking about uh flood plane management
is a pretty low impact storm um that is in could happen in any 10 year. I mean it could happen successive years, but >> chance of happening every single year. >> Precisely. And so they they use that as
kind of to set the precedent for talking about the cost that a 10-year sacrificial strategy because that's what beach nourishment is is it's a sacrificial strategy to try to um temporarily hold the line in place against sea level rise um coastal
erosion all those things. um that's what it would cost to put that sacrificial strategy in place. >> And so I mean what what they explained to me was for instance on Atlantic Avenue beach if
they were going to do beach nourishment they wouldn't be bringing sand and putting it on the beach. They'd be putting it in the ocean to take the shoreline oceans ocean work. >> Mhm. Uh, and I think the Atlantic Avenue
one was like I don't know five or 10,000 dump trucks worth of sand, >> right? >> And I think that East Beach would be similar if we did that. Um, and
not only do you have to worry about paying for that, you got to pay for the upkeep of the road that you're ruining with 10,000 truckloads of sand. >> Mhm. Um, plus if you do it on East Beach on these private property, you'd have to have
every single homeowner agree and then they'd have if it's done with public money, they'd have to agree to allow public access on that on that property. So,
um, when I'm sick in bed, I'll read this. It's a lot. It it is a lot, but >> check check out the I mean because a lot of it there's there's stuff about grain size analysis and you know kind of
nittyritty nerdy stuff that um that's why we love our friends at Woods Whole Group because they do all that for us. But um again check out the recommendations portion of it. That's what we're really trying to solicit feedback on right now. In my professional life, I have done a number
of permitting sort of private beach nourishment and waterfront homes that were in dynamic areas. And um the one thing I've learned that became a standard part of my recommendations is
um when do you plan to be back in the house? And we'll do the beach nourishment just before you arrive. So at least one season you have a little sand in front of your home.
>> Yeah, >> Mr. Chair, um uh my family just returned from vacationing on Captiva Island in Southwest Florida, which is just north of Santael Island. And
uh Captiva and Santael both have had all of their beaches renourished in the last year since Hurricane Ian. Now they are an average height above sea level of 4T and
Hurricane Ian was 12 ft. Um and uh there are parts of these islands that 3 years later still not rebuilt. Um, but they not they just get a vacuum
tube out in the Gulf of Mexico and suck it and then pour it on the beach. Um, and they do this regularly. Um, and they added this time a wrinkle which was a a 12T artificial sand doom.
um because the storm surge was 12 ft and they planted beach grass and hoping it will take uh two points. Uh one I I think the state or federal
government pays for it because it's such a huge cost that individuals couldn't and you also need to do the whole island otherwise you're leaving openings. Um and I think the state justifies it uh
because it is tourist development in a state where that is a huge deal. um these burns uh this beach reourishment and new sand doom go in front of private property and public
property and I don't think there is any rule that says just because the public paid for it you get to walk on it. It's still private property. Uh but Florida is different than than Massachusetts. Uh my major point is that
uh it's done as Bob says and uh it provides some protection but the amount of money is so enormous that there's no way in the world that it it gets done unless it's a national priority or a
state priority. >> So are we are we talking about protecting private property along East Beach Road? Hypothetically, yes. That's what the the analysis. >> How far does do those lots own from, you
know, into the water now? Because so much of the beach has been eroded, but they don't go out, right? I think of where your property >> some of them have lost maybe 60 or 80 ft over the years but not when they bought
them but >> so so >> they they own at least to the the low water line. >> Yeah, it's the the low water line. Some of those lots extend further than the low water line, but the the property is essentially lost
because there's no land there anymore. That's right. And >> so if you were to renourish out to that point, that would not become private property again. That would be >> you lose and gain by the natural processes on the on the shore. >> Right.
>> But I thought you'd gain I mean >> you if if you had an area where the was the material was depositing and your land gained, you you gained that land.
I thought I read in the uh somewhere about this Massachusetts shoreline is if you lose it, you lose it. When it comes back, it's not yours. >> What we found three or four years ago when we were down after a beach repl
>> Now it doesn't destroy the sand. It just moves the sand a little bit off. >> It's nowhere, right? And over the next week, all that sand reappeared on the beach >> in a dynamic area. You're going to get es and flows. Uh but when you add sand,
it's added sand that's in the system now. >> Yeah. So I mean along horse neck the the sand is either in the sand bars offshore or in the dunes >> or in the harbor. >> In the harbor.
so it doesn't disappear. Um, but anyway, one of the things they said at the meeting at the Atlantic Avenue was that they talked about, I forget where it was in Massachusetts, a bunch of private people spent a lot of
money to renourish their beach and it disappeared within two weeks. >> Yeah. $650,000. >> Right. But they said it did its job. it prevented more erosion further inland, >> right? And that's what the the example
that they used uh very often and the first part of or the first um iteration of our public engagement was that it's a sacrificial strategy. That's what the sand was put there to do. >> Yeah. >> So, are we trying to preserve the
roadway along East Beach Road as an example? >> Yeah. I think >> the public way that we're trying to preserve. >> I think an an end goal of this project is to come up with recommendations to help slow the rate of erosion to protect
public resources. But we also have to acknowledge that, you know, we this is an area that gets hit hard by storms very frequently and there will come a day when
you know that the may it where it may become too expensive for the town to continue to um replace the road, the water could break into the let and then what happens with trying to rebuild that. So there's a lot of different it's a the point is it's a very vulnerable
place and and we're not going to be able to fortify it forever. >> Which brings up if you're talking about a sacrificial uh plan uh that costs on the order of 50 or whatever million dollars
and that uh doesn't last very long. that another option which nobody ever wants to talk about including me as I live down there is managed retreat which
is those are barrier beaches and they they can act like barrier beaches but it's hard to act like a barrier beach if it's got houses on it >> or any other structures on it but if it's a barrier beach then it'll move
>> and it'll protect Westport but >> right now there's a lot lot of homes and businesses uh on that barrier beach. So, but if you're talking about a a solution that's 50 or $60 million, then you have
to talk about well, that could also be a hefty chunk of a managed retreat program, which we did after the 38 hurricane. It's not something new for Westport. >> It's it's it's not a recommendation of
the report that this that the town undertake this. This was this was just if if one were to do it, this is the order of magnitude cost that you'd be exposed to. >> Right. >> Right. It's supposed to educate us on
what the options are. >> Right. >> And I think it's doing a great job of doing that. Uh it's it's never going to say you should retreat or it's not worth it. That isn't what they're supposed to do. It also sets out um requirements of
how to manage material in those places and what are the town's obligations for um rare or endangered species that may be on the beach. So, it's not just all about long range planning. It also
spells out what are the town's um obligations for day-to-day maintenance. >> Yep. And I think what John was talking about, if it's going to cost $60 million to protect a road that's
worth a few hundred,000. Does that make any sense? >> Mhm. Um, so on Atlantic Avenue, they have been using a beach management plan that the local engineer drew up for them. And
they have moved a lot of the sand and the the craft that was left over two years ago from the thing and pushed it up into the dune area. So, it's creating a new dune. Uh, and they've planted like
20 or 30,000 strands of beach grass in them. And I helped do that in November a little bit. Interesting. But you get a crick in your back, leaning over too much. But it's
interesting that there's a there's a huge market for beach grass and they have to wait and or it comes and they have to go plant it right away. Um and that looks like it will be more
resilient than it ever has been. But I don't know what that area looked like before they put houses 150 years ago. >> Mhm. >> Uh were there dunes there? Did they take them down? Was it open to the ocean? Was that pond? >> I don't know.
>> A long time ago. It was. >> Yeah. >> So, anyway, thank you. Next. >> Quick update on our village center plan. We're in contract with the state on this. So, I'm waiting on um Serbed to
come back and and um contract for on that. But these are the just as a reminder these are the uh this is looking at Westport's historic village centers to come up with some context appropriate zoning um whether it be for
housing or for commercial businesses um in a lot of places commercial businesses have to get a zoning variance to make modifications to the property. um they're valued areas value or valued community assets. And so we want to make
sure that they those places can have a easy make it so that the zoning is not the barrier for them to be able to continue to stay in those places and succeed. And then also the town has a one well two sizefits-all approach to zoning. The residential and agriculture
district and the business district. and the business district in Central Village um is the same as the business district on Route 6. And so this will help hopefully come up with some more contextsensitive
um zoning for Central Village. So, and then yeah. So, so that way there's not the same sort of land uses where you see like contractor's yards on Route 6, >> which wouldn't really be appropriate in Central Village,
>> but anyway, that's the project would work in Central Village. >> I mean, it's zoned for that. So, >> right. >> Yeah. But this this sets out to address those issues. So, um that's what the project is. We're waiting to get under
contract with Serbed and then we'll start the public engagement for that. >> Just Michael, this map here that shows I don't know is meant to show the boundaries of Central Village or because the actual business district extends
south beyond road. >> Yeah, it's meant we initially kept it smaller scale um for the grant application. we can modify things a bit. Um, so if the board would like to see that the recommendations are extend or that
the the project expands to the entire business district on on Main Road. Um, we can do that. We kept it purely just the historic area of um Main Road in the business district. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. I didn't know whether they were trying to follow the business district, you know, as it's as it's constructed or just Right. >> We can we can we can do that. >> Yeah. >> So, we tried to several years ago
uh start a conversation about redoing the village zoning here. >> Mhm. Uh and uh we had push back from one very influential resident who didn't want it to disappear from Pixberry Road down
to uh Cornell Road. >> Okay. >> But I don't know if you have the same problem today. >> Mhm. >> But yeah. Well, and whatever, even if it's not included in this project, you can always take the
recommendations of what would come from the historic central village um and apply that to another part of town. So, we could always carry that forward even if it's not a part of this project. >> Okay. >> You guys taking any comments on that?
>> Sure. >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, we're going to have public meetings and stuff, so yeah, >> it's not a public hearing, but >> yeah, we just um we're we live up at >> Could you go to the podium >> and identify who you are for the for the TV audience?
>> Uh Laurianne and 513 Old County Road. So, I think I'm very excited about this idea of these these areas. Um there's interest in extending the business district at the head, some people having art galleries, things like that. Um,
it's a very thriving neighborhood >> and we all work together a lot. We have dinner parties, all this and to help >> back that up. I I'm I'm sure you guys all know about the condition of the road there and the bridge and the and all the
the sewer drains are all caving in and you know so in this um you know drive to kind of have these areas in town that um people love to look at them. Maybe they'll slow down a bit to actually look at them if it's a district that
encourages some businesses and does some speed taming and and all that that would be great. And we don't know since we both live there. We like if you want have some um community involvement. We're more than happy to kind of lead the way with our neighbors.
>> Cool. >> Great. That's >> okay. >> Exactly what >> Yeah. Once we start advertising for it, reach out to me. Um I mean you can email me or call me anytime and we can chat about it. So guys, >> okay.
Sorry I had to stay all night just for that, but >> it's always interesting to watch what goes on. >> All right, go ahead. >> Thanks, guys. >> All right, quick update on a Route Six neighborhood plan update. Um, I think there will be an article in the
Shorelines about it this week. I took some time to chat with Ted Hayes about the project. So, um, he didn't say when it was going to be updated. maybe this week or or when it would be put in the paper, maybe this week or next week. But
it's going to have a link to the survey um that we're trying to collect uh feedback on. And so if you you all know anyone you'd like to take the survey, please send it to them um because we need to get some responses in. Like to
have as many people as we can respond to the survey. Um but that's all I have have for that. were kind of regrouping after the holidays and and the public meeting that we had last month that we talked about at the last meeting.
>> I thought that public meeting was really well done. I thought the graphics uh were exceptional in terms of how to elicit from people. You know, it would have been nicer if there was a bigger crowd, but the the graphics
allowed you to to to understand what the choices are. And uh that's a hard thing to do, but I thought it was done really well. >> They did do a really great job with the the posters and graphics and stuff. And um the speaking of the posters are in
the library right now. So the sticker thing that we did and they were up here in the annex um you can do that at the library and then we're going to put them in the town hall next month. So still can get involved that way as well if you don't want to do a survey. >> How about the COA?
Uh we can ask them. >> Yeah, I think it's full of people who are >> have nothing else to do >> and we've >> but it's interesting. We'd like their input
>> was a very good presentation. It's just the turnout was a little disappointing that more people did come but it >> was a very cold night. >> Excellent presentation. My wife was at a meeting uh I think it was last Saturday. It was at the library
>> and and there were 40 or 50 people at that meeting and people stopped and they put red dots on the things they like. >> So >> yeah, we had uh some folks from Serpent at the library on Saturday. >> Yeah. >> So it's it's it's getting some exposure.
>> All right. So, next is an update on our eco onetop submissions. This is the state's new environmental grant portal is what they're calling the e eco onetop. And we had submitted four applications to this. The first one we
had submitted was for evacuation signage in town um identifying evacuation routes and they were a little little tepid on on the the project concept. Um, but it's not all bad news because I did reach out
to Serpa to see what they're doing in this space. They did prepare a regional evacuation plan and they are going to follow that up with acquiring signage to install on those routes. So, the routes
that are identified in that study are just the main arterials in Westport, Route 88, 195, and and 177. um the signs they'll be acquiring and then providing them to um public works
or highway departments to install them. So I spoke with Kevin Ham the um uh Serpent the head of the Serpent's Homeland Security and does emergency management and stuff like that. Um and
asked >> and is the drone guy. >> He's also the drone guy. >> Yeah, he wears a lot of hats over there. Um I asked him about if they would be interested in doing that same sort of analysis for coastal towns and
identifying those evacuation routes on um local roads to get to those arterials. And he said he's going to bring that up with um the head of the transportation department at Serped. He said that they could probably work it into their annual work plan for next
year if that's something other towns would support. So, I think there's potentially to make we can potentially make some progress on that outside of the grant funding cycle. >> Did the state say why they weren't uh
enthusiastic about signs? It seems to be one of the highest benefit to cost ratios you can get for project. You just buy signs, you're educating all the population. >> I think they like that. I think it's a
question of priority and how they want to measure outcomes. Um, it's harder to have a measurable outcome when you're installing signs. I mean, I I understand if there's a a hazard event occurring.
you can maybe measure it in terms of people who may not have been injured um in that event but you know in terms of like daily measurable outcomes I think you know you have so many parts per million of nitrogen not going into the river for example like that's a
measurable outcome so >> so which which group that you're looking for a grant for that purpose that was kind of tucked >> well it's a it's a full suite of different programs So it, you know, I I
only talked to it was the most feedback I got from was from the MVP program. Um, the other funders didn't really have much to say about it. >> So, but we have another avenue potentially. So,
>> um, then the head of Westport looking at at doing an analysis of the head of Westport to improve its flood water. um mitigation capacity as well as doing some storm water improvements um so that storm water is not discharging untreated
into the Westport River. That's something that uh Woods Hole Group was on the call to talk about a different project, but they were very interested in helping out with that application. So, um we'll see what that looks like. I
would like for them to prepare a quote for that project um and a scope of work. I think that's probably where the application really needed some improvement because we were like one or two points within getting funding. So I
think if we have that included again um we should should should have a competitive application. They said this one out of the four that we had submitted was the most competitive. Um, so we'll give it another shot. >> Do we know if the constructed wetlands
that was constructed 15 years ago still doing its job there at the west? >> That's something that we're going to follow up with before we submit an application is to start yeah investigating the success of that project.
>> It certainly looks healthy. It looks like it's doing its job. >> It does. What I'm >> more interested in is where is it getting the water from? And is that structure still working in the in the road? I think the the wetland thing is neat.
>> I think we would also really be focusing on the west side of the bridge as opposed to the east side of of the bridge. Um there's that area in the the triangle green where that water bubbles
up that you've pointed out um to us in the past. It's a hole in the ground where when there's heavy rains, water comes up and spills out into the green. Nobody seems to know where the source of that water is coming from. So, that that's one thing we would like to
address. Um, and then there's a lot of town-owned property right along the banks that if you were to have a constructed wetlands on that side of the river, >> there's potent, you know, there's space to do something like that. So, do we know whether or not the school
uh storm water systems that we worked hard on getting approved and implemented? Are they still working correctly? That's the question because maybe that's where the water's coming from. >> Mhm. I I don't know if he answer that
question. It could be that where the water eventually ends up if it spills out is into a system that's already in the road. >> Mhm. >> And that might have a diversion that goes that way as well as to the river,
>> right? >> It might go to the river two different ways and that one might be blocked up and it comes out. >> Yeah, it could be. We um have actually have another grant application out for
the our MS4 permit and that's one area we would like to kind of tie into this project. Is it doing further investigations of the municipal storm sewer? >> So I you know different layers to it but
yeah I think you make a good point >> that we need to look into that further. >> Maybe that Um, then there's the the cold water culverts that I've been talking about for probably like two years now on Drift Road, Lions Brook, and Snell Creek and
um Cornell Road uh at Angeline Brook. So, doing the the you know, looking uh at reconstructing those culverts and continuing the engineering work that we've received several different um grants for. We
were advised that we should probably look at the Snow Creek and Lions Brook um options. So, we wouldn't be able to apply. You can only submit one application. You can't and you can't apply for many
different locations. Um so, we would probably look at the Drift Road ones and this would not bring it through to construction. They're smaller smaller grants. So, um would just be for engineering, continuing the engineering. Um then do you want to talk about the
barrier beach one, Dia? >> Um yeah, so the barrier beach one, we think we're going to try and continue um any kind of procedures from the draft barrier beach management plan. So I put together kind of a I wasn't really sure. I put together a scope of work that kind of bounced
around and so we got a lot of feedback on that which pretty much was like let's test out a lunar and kind of rescope. So, Whizull's group is going to help me um put together uh an application that's more in alignment that's going to be more competitive for MVP and climate resilience grant um through Rico OneTop.
Um they said that they wouldn't fund um like collecting data on beach transexs or median high water levels. Um they also wouldn't consider or it wouldn't yeah they wouldn't really consider um one aspect was like kind of a volunteer brigade for collecting that data and
also maybe pre-storm procedures like securing fencing or maybe posttorm debris cleanup and they said that that would also be probably not likely to receive funding. So, we're kind of reorganizing uh what kind of small beach actions,
maybe pre-torm actions, how can we um put together an EOI that's in alignment for funding and with our capacity here. And with that um expression of interest, we also asked for drone a drone and they didn't give comment on the financial ask
for the drone. At least not to my memory. I don't know if you recall. They didn't touch the drone comment. No, they they >> probably but probably no because they don't want us tracking the transexs, I guess. >> But um so what what Wood's whole group
is thinking about doing is is taking some of the uh recommendations of the beach management plan and starting to implement some of those recommendations. So, one thing that we had considered is
like asking them to if we can start to develop a stockpile of compatible materials. >> Um whether it be cobble or sand that we can store at the highway department. And then when there's a need to go down um
to particularly on East Beach Road to fortify the the road, we can take the materials from the highway department and bring it down there. >> They've already been approved, >> right? That's already been pre-approved. So um things are you know looking at um
where are the starting to develop a policy um of where the pain points are that we would start to do manage retreat you know would it be certainly like if if water
broke through to the let and there's a channel I think that would be a clear time of you know the that we're not going to be able to rebuild. But what's the in between? You know, when do we maybe consider downgrading a section of
um uh Beach Avenue, for example? Is there a point where where we should do that? >> Yeah. So, Buzzard's Bay had a big long study. I don't know if they're done yet, John. >> I don't think they are. They're done
with Westport Park. >> Okay. uh but not with the Allen's pond and >> which is all connected. >> Yeah, >> it's all connected. >> But I'm just thinking the watershed alliance has been doing uh a lot getting getting a lot of data. Um Mike Sullivan
has been putting um tide tide gauges everywhere. Um, and >> I think that might be a a place for you to connect the two groups together to to
get the information that may be required that your your grant people don't want to pay for. You might already have it, >> okay? >> Or have the ability to get it if we can delineate what it is we need. >> And I would hope that
with this and with Buzzard's Bay that somehow we can get somebody to look at them both as a whole and give us an idea of what cuz if their report is
going to say that the the way that this waves come in to Goose Goose Wing Island or Beach or Goosewing, not Goose Wing, >> Gooseber bird um
is what's causing it. Whatever we do isn't going to change that. Um unless we blow it up or something. It it would seem to me that we should take the available information we have
and have somebody try to put it together. >> Mhm. >> So that we can make informed decisions about really we need to start looking for a source for for for retreating or we need
to look for funds to replenish. >> Right. Right. and all the all the dredged material that came out of the um harbor uh was put over at the crook
between almost up to the u causeway and I don't know what's happened with that in the past year you know has it started to renourish the beach along horse neck you That's what I've heard is that it's it's
washing up on the horse stack and probably will end up washing back into the >> into the river. >> End of the river. >> Yeah. Well, >> um >> Yeah. >> Was that bridge material deposited on
the west side of >> Yes, it was. >> Uh up sort of where the campground is. >> Yep. uh in those houses like right in front of the not on the beach just in the ocean
and uh I talked with the beach people and they said that they had the woman from CCM not CM Coastal Zone Management said that they'd looked at the stuff and it was not the right grain
size to put on the beach the in the ocean. It's quite a long put in the ocean. >> It It'll find its way onto the beach. >> Yeah. >> Or or back into the channel.
>> Yeah, exactly. >> Um and then last update is our hazard mitigation plan that was formally submitted to MYMA and FEMA. So that'll probably be about a threemonth time period before they make a decision.
So I'll let you all know >> if that gets approved, won't that help us get funding from somebody for the escape routes >> because it's they talk about it in that? >> It it could as yeah as an emergency one
of their emergency management grants. And actually, that was one of the things that was brought up in our meeting, too, was is this are there more appropriate um are there more appropriate grant funds for this type of request through
emergency management? >> Mr. Chair, if uh the planners report is complete before going to the minutes, >> could I make a comment? Uh I uh Michael circulated a draft
annual report for the planning board >> and uh I I just can't express what a superlative document that is. um from uh
what our charge is from uh the law to what we have accomplished over over the last year. I was thinking about it yesterday. I was at a meeting trying to recruit people to run for planning board is our
Mark Schmmed doesn't have enough fun here with us so he's not going to run. Uh not to put any pressure on you, Mark, but somebody said who who I was talking to said, "Well, what does the planning board do?" And
>> I thought about the document you guys have prepared and what an excellent answer that is to what do we do? And it's a great question that you know every citizen in Westport should have.
And so I know you're getting some comments on it before final submission, but I hope that finds a way under our website >> uh and in other ways uh we make it easy to circulate because it's such a great
description of what is the planet. I really congratulate John. >> Thanks. not just on the way he wrote it, but he had to do a an awful lot of hard work to get all those things done that are in the report and and so the
performance of this department is just really incredible. >> Thank you. >> I I get to see in my professional life lots of annual reports from town clerks and planning boards and stuff and and
and that report is is as best as seen including you know Cambridge, Boston and I mean this this is really a a terrific job. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I I quite agree with that. And uh
as a footnote to the recruitment issue, I was informed by the chairman that I was supposed to find my own replacement to which I replied that'll be easy. And what what happens when you don't
>> you have to stay public out of town. >> So So what happens is uh if we have nobody then we go to the the select board and we have a joint meeting. You've done that before. That's how you
get on the planning board. But we just reappoint you. No, I had to run for that unexpired term. >> Yes. Right. >> Yeah. >> Well, Mr. Chair, uh, you want to get to the minutes?
>> Uh, no, I want to say that I I agree with everybody that has said good things about this report, and I just want to say I think the report is great, but I think doing the work was even better for all three of you. >> Absolutely.
So now I contain >> uh Mr. Chair, I I attended the minutes of the first meeting on our agenda uh December 16th and I find the minutes as usual really good. So I would move approval of the December 16th, 2025
minute uh meeting. >> I second that. >> Any comments, changes, anything? Hearing nothing. All those in favor? I >> I >> I didn't attend the next meeting. So,
>> Mr. Chair, I would move the uh minutes adoption of the minutes of the meeting of December 30th. Uh it was brief and and to the point and we and I find the minutes reflect what we
did that morning. >> Are you noting a correlation between my absence and it being brief? >> No, not at all. Mark, you want to second that? >> Well, I wasn't at the meeting. >> Oh, then I'll second it.
>> So, um I guess we're going to have to approve it as a as a ministerial thing. >> You can you can all vote on minutes even though you >> It's pretty simple. It was a record for the shortest meeting ever. That's six
minutes. >> Yes. >> So, all those in favor? I >> I >> and I correspondence um zoning board of appeals notices >> um at 683 American Legion Highway which
is uh AMA Engineering. Um there was a complaint from an abutter that the drainage on that site is causing flooding on their property and they made a complaint to the building
inspector. Building inspector did not make a finding that um 683 American Legion Highway is or that did not make a finding that their their drainage is um malfunctioning. So they appealed that
administrative decision to the ZBA. So this is just a notice of a hearing. And 15 Bob Street is a um finding that was issued by the zoning board of appeals. There there was an addition put onto a house and um due to
a contractor's error, it was vi in violation of the setback. Um so they made a finding for that this house was already non-conforming um in terms of the front yard setback. So they made a finding that the garage
setback which was the addition onto the house was not more it was not detrimental to the neighborhood. >> So and was somebody appealing that or they already made that >> they made the decision that yeah they made the decision that it wasn't detrimental to the neighborhood. Okay.
Mr. Chair, before adjourning, I cannot make the next meeting on the 27th because I've got the um heart surgery that day. Um so I'm sorry. I just want to let you know.
>> Is it day surgery or is it >> I'll be in the U. My brother, they said you'll probably get out Friday. My brother pointed out that you should remember, John, that Charlton is very well known for the quality of the fish
chowder on Fridays. So, if I'm going to stay, I should stay through lunch, I guess. >> You're having a bit of trouble. >> Yeah. Well, Charles, great intern. >> I can testify that. >> Yeah. And and uh Mr. Mr. I have a conflict
that evening as well. So we may not have a quorum. >> Yeah, we won't have >> have a quorum. So >> we probably won't have a quum. So >> So let's reschedu that meeting. >> Uh do we have anything scheduled on that
meeting >> public hearing wise? >> Okay. And we don't have any ANRS in the till. So I think we can just cancel that one. >> Just cancel the meeting. >> Okay. You want a motion to adjurnn? >> I do. Well, first of all, do you want to
talk about the uh DCR coming to do an audit of >> I don't have a whole lot of information on it. So the um DCR is is is the uh authority that has
oversight of the town's administration of flood plane permitting and they are doing an audit of the town's administration of flood plane permitting. Um they requested files from the last five years from the planning department, conservation commission and
the building department. The planning board has not considered any um projects within the flood plane. Um so we're off the hook, but we are staying involved in the process as the regulatory authority.
So, uh, they have some folks coming down here in March to review, uh, 150 files from the building department and then I think pretty much all of conservation commission's files, um, for flood plane
permitting. Well, I hope when they bring all this staff to Westport, there'll be an opportunity for people to ask them uh why they think a 40ft road down through uh the dunes uh that requires
destruction of dunes is a good idea. >> Uh because nobody else seems to think it's a good idea. >> But that's not our purview. That's the conservation commission. And I know on top of it.
>> We We actually don't I can't recall ever seeing an application for someone to work in the flood plane that comes before us. >> Mhm. I mean, it it could for a new road or
something like that or if it, you know, it's a structure over 2,000 square feet, you know, theoretically it could come before the planning board. But yeah, you're you're right. I mean, we look through the last five years and there's not anything.
>> We should be happy. We don't allow filling of the footprint, >> right? >> Okay. And entertain a motion to adjurnn. So move seconds. >> All those in favor?