##VIDEO ID:36jnobiZA2k## Board of assessors meeting on October 24th y 2024 first item on the agenda is approval of minutes from last meeting last meeting was on October 3rd that was the meeting I was late to okay oh okay we 10 oh that was last time yeah okay okay motion approvement October okay all those in favor approved off motor vehicle Vance but got want five here cover sheet and we have to sign each one of these on front page yes please and and also there's one on the back page uh what happened with we used to sign one on in a book that had duplicate behind it why AR we and I was told that that was the old method and the new one was going to be doing it online or something different are we eventually going to go to that so we don't have to sign three three individual copies of this um yeah I can explore that option okay uh um those are certificates for I don't think I just gonna ask that what what what would cause us not to sign this it's just it's just like a formality right other than they have to be at least $5 right or more and I guess they have to be what wh residents is the other requirement their vehicle must be gar vehicle garage here so that means the vehicle registration has to show a way address okay you got a lot of there five groups here five I guess we sign four times for each one we delegate this to step that's that's really interesting because it's a formality you've never said oops this isn't going to work right you ever question what not really why would you it's data right from the state right or you know yeah and person is filling out the form it's signature on there all okay well let's sign today and because I'm thinking back when we didn't meet much when maybe when Co was was present and I think we delegated to Cynthia assistant C sign office for the board so can we still do that all right we might want to do is we take care of individuals we do we'll provide a summary sheet we each week or whatever and a list of them you can just sign off on the list and that'll be it okay that's that you already that's what this other list was right that that's what this list that you're saying that's what yeah we would sign off on that you would sign off on that that's you wouldn't even see these other ones if you just St The Authority just to sign okay or just to cleare them okay which again is a formality yes but we what's the we were on commitments so for that form that you have there the will get a copy of that so she that her books balance that so you have the same once we give her a copy and the summary she is enough but you're doing as long as as long as you give stepen the authority use your St okay this this is a little bit redundant was what you're saying when you look up redundant in the dictionary says see redundant and then he'll just you What's happen yeah again being new I don't want to make changes but Fred you're good with that aren't you anything cut save a couple trees and it's all you're right it's all in the summary right here right who types all this gets this ready just a report so that report is generated from um the accounting system Sten mean Steven has to go so these people get their but then the reports you got and as long as you're happy with know what you're happy with happy you're for that's everybody that works for me okay I'll make Motion in the future that uh we just see the the summary of these on on one form and and sign off on all of these and give the authority to Stephen to uh process all the these uh payments for and deal with whatever he needs to do second okay all those in favor I okay moved next it discuss new in Old business what we have on there Ste um so we wanted to discuss taxation ons yes I want okay yeah we ran across in a above ground pool in one of our assessments I'm sorry one of our inspections uh and it was in as I remembered it was just a it was in poor condition but it was an above ground pool we're assigning a value to it that'd be correct then the question was should we be that other towns may be not not doing this well the other we're g don't do it and that's above ground there so that's that's not that's not excluded just the above ground pools that in my opinion don't add any value to a property they actually don't help the sale overall to tell you the truth as a general rule of thumb from a realtor perspective below Brown pools are not an asset do do not add General value to a house when you're trying to resell it uh but you don't so what do we do no we don't assess above ground pools well we do we do and we're questioning should we should an above ground pool which in my opinion doesn't have value to the property with resell it should that be considered a taxable event when they have it now what what Val what values are we talking about not much ,000 4,000 which is and how many properties do we have we would even know try well because it's taken down each year too isn't it oh they leave those up so so I guess your question is what dollar figure are we talking we don't know because we only we're in across one how many places in town actually have a above ground pool what dollar figure we talk and that's your question right yeah and and is the value is based on on the size of the pool yeah and is that value how's that compared to in ground po the value is less way less way less well which makes sense I I didn't know these days 30,000 I would even want to guess and is there an easy way of of sorting the database to see how many we have for above ground probably well yeah I haven't recommend you don't this till 26 you do that before did you say 26 yeah oh gotcha 2 gotcha gotcha now time to get this okay organiz matter yeah um even if you're talking $100,000 is that $140 yeah $140 in taxes for $100,000 worth above ground pools which I bet you don't have in this town and then they why would other towns not do this same reason we're thinking do solar solar bit more different we' from our perspective in the anyue to theer that that's my opinion from a real real estate point of view in Florida it adds value above an above I don't even know if we have a in Florida below ground pools add values everyone who goes there wants pool but here it's a different above or below trying to think where where are we seeing above ground why this come up did you see one last week we saw one at time whose place did we go to Christian yes it was back Scrat is over there behind there's a nice Barn there's a beautiful four carb it was a business four car he's a welding business fourcc car Red Barn that was used as a business and behind that there was a small out storage and then right there was a little pool is that where it was I'm pretty sure yeah just a little little above ground pool that so that's when the question came up should we be Val based on your telling me that other towns don't do it it makes sense again it makes sense to me because if a buyer comes in and wants to buy a place with an above ground pool is he going to offer 5,000 more because he wants that pool no he's got to deal with that pool and it's going to be a detriment to him and he's probably gonna may or may not use it but doesn't want to pay for it because it has little if no value in the sale of the properties and that one you looked at didn't have a deck or something else with it because I think that's that's what we also looked at did it have a past some of these usually have a deck and I think we assess that as a deck yeah itself and and in addition to I don't remember the deck I don't remember was a question that J better she did she did mention it okay so so then we'll we'll certainly look at this issue but not for until next year it's it's it's like uh green houses I mean you you can have them with with plastic sheeting on them or you can have glass yeah one and we and we we assigned a different uh number uh number for each each type of greenhouse so I I guess fools maybe the same way it's whether it's in or above ground or low ground uh or there there's even a few that are that are inside oh yes that's different there's one on on chran Lane is inside the house inside the used to be garage but I think this discussion is specifically above ground po the deck issue I I didn't think about well this was above ground inside above ground inside inside yeah what do you do with that really yeah well it's inside so all of a sudden we have a different yeah we already have I don't know what we did with that I was gonna say the building yeah yeah it's I don't think you guys looked at it's it's a red Colonial we I don't remember the next one we okay so I I guess for a future meeting pool discussion look look up the pool is what we're do what what dollar figure we talking like gut says not much if you come up with above ground and well any kind of pool I guess or below ground whatever you can sort just tell us how many we have in the value okay that okay anything else on the new business come on um did we talk about a mission statement I mentioned I I could write a mission statement for us um and have the board look at it as a guide moving forward as to what we're hoping to accomplish uh how we want the public to perceive us um um how we want to be in more userfriendly board so that we're not I mean people have such misconception we walk in and one lady says you're going to raise my taxes uh we don't do that we certainly verify what's there um and our verification may or may not have an impact but we're not there to collect raise or anything even in my community where I tell people uh we're here to verify you don't have to let us in you don't have to let us walk around um but that's our goal is to verify what what we've got then we've hired a consultant Who Um can crunch the numbers based on what we even in my there's such negativity towards it's just unbelievable towards assessors they ain't getting in my house I didn't want to get into the argument as my neighborhood I let go but the point is from this seat being new and having even when I had my house of I was told by don't let him in I actually walked in and met with Cynthia you telling me I don't get this this is foreign to me so uh a mission statement the goal of letting us know where we're headed and the goal of educating the weightly public as to who we are and what we do perhaps I don't know I could write something simple if you'd like I've done I've done it 100 times try that with something I've done it I've done it so many times before talk about it future meeting sure one other thing that that came up kind of referenc in a minute so the last meeting is uh since uh Stephen is not a town employee RG is not a town employee right to Consultants what Authority do we give them to sign for the board and what uh items can they purchase themselves or does it have to go through the board right because in the past or assistant assessor was was a town employee so she she had authority to do that I talked to a Town Administrator about this two two weeks ago whatever shortly after I meeting he said it's it's up to what this board wants to do and what we want to give Stephen authority to do uh the last meeting he had what two or three items on there on our budget that he was going to purchase uh some materials for for use here and I guess you wanted to know can you go ahead buy that stuff or it have to get report I think I don't know what our final decision was you could go ahead with with with purchasing the items that you wanted uh which comes down to which was in our budget that was was approved and budget budget has 10 or 12 different items on it and only person Department that breakdown of the budget is used for for budgeting for the for the town budget every every year see cop of that that's the latest copy for our budget and you can see some items are anywhere range from $90 for supplies to software software to Consultants whatever uh in the past since the T since our assessor assistant assessor was Employee she kind of monitor that and purchase stuff according to to this uh budget that we approved beginning of the year what our accountant does is is I think there's there's three or four summaries of items you may just go the budget over to within that budget uh it's approved she approves the invoices pays it and I know Stephen brought to the board for the Consultants we signed off the last meeting some of the software fees and for the GIS mapping I guess for the other items on here even like does for for meetings or office supplies you're looking at uh printer repair computer uh the minimal amounts I guess I I I would recommend that the board allow Stephen to to purchase whatever he needs for these items on on here budget uh up to the dollar limit and if it goes above the dollar limit then come to the board what dollar limit you thinking well whatever we have in budget here items oh understood that's what you meant by Dollar limit okay yeah gotcha that's what I'm proposing we do so if Stephen wants to go buy envelopes of paper or uh ink for the printer we know Bo doesn't need to take an action that's what I proposing a motion I second okay all those approv okay which which comes down to I guess another decision who is monitoring the budget I know accountant is doing that she knows what was approved at at town meeting uh and the board in the past never really got involved in it long as we the limits here do we want to have rrg monitor the budget for us is that something in your contract keep track of it she come see you haven't got the money you can't do that too much moneyy yeah but but but do do we want Stephen to monitor the budget to say even though the the accountant could could approve an item but it's it's up to the Limit or sell within the budget well certain on know but but do we want RG to say okay you're you're above the limit for uh dues and meetings or or for a computer you want to buy a new computer uh or enhance your computer that's what that's not in the contract okay it's not in the contract okay but uh you're looking for another check and balance here aren't you right U what is the time limit of spending before you have to go for RFP or I I gu our account would say to us you got $1,000 limit you could spend after that you come have to talk about it it's whatever the board I guess decides if you decide to say we give Sten R up to 500 $600 items yeah after that need to talk to yes like this big mapping fee all of a sudden that one up again looks like it's not but contracts those are contracts anyways right so that's so that's a okay so we're really talking just um minutia monies really for him to just go out and do spend and get what what we need we're back to the question where's the check's the where where's where's the check I assume some of these we've already spent some items we've already spent on the budget here and who is tracking that what and what is the value of that who is doing that um I'm not [Music] sure but I would um yeah I don't my stay in contact okay I mean are you worried to some's going to go we need $2 more, for software fees and we won't be able to approve or disapprove that where your that coming yeah at what point does the board become involved that one dollar figure Like Whoa We need to look at that I guess that's that's kind of your question yeah because I I guess why I'm bringing this up I'm on another committee where uh where they had the same breakdown for the budget and the chair food the the chair of that committee monitors expenditures every month salaries of town employees different items on here every month and we had a meeting the other day okay we're three months into this fiscal year so 25% of the budget should should be spent on get say salar so you got enough money to cover the rest of that it the the chair of the board monitors that to make sure we have money at the end of the year to cover all these so reason so but but then it comes back does the board here do that and we don't have access to that without going to stepen or or the accountant versus letting Stephen do that or have his the responsibility place on Stephen to do that every quarter tell us how we doing with the budget that's not a big de I think you should Sten certainly do that okay I mean that's what you be looking at is July August September reporting on the first of October what level the budget yeah right not a problem okay so what I'm saying is so stepen would do that for us on a quarterly basis and we wouldn't have to go every time and ask our account well is there money left in his account for how much did we spend so far okay so you make a motion that we uh asked Stephen asked RG to monitor the budget on a quarterly basis and to the board we yeah I'm going to second that but you said are R G's going to monitor yeah just yeah just for Stephen Stephen okay yeah gotta it's not in our's contract no yeah I second what you said it's the it's the weightly assessor clerk right that who happens to be an employ I mean it's not chance but yeah it's not others in the company it's the person that in that right okay yes so I seconded okay on that bye bye bye okay went through some items on the agenda already Jenny start we thought we started at 9ine but I guess something we at 9 or 10 or whatever okay probably I did think we thought that was well next time just call me because I don't live far away that's fine we talked a few minutes ago about I did there was an issue of above ground pools how do we assess and Stephen is going to uh give us give us a breakdown of that future meeting the other thing we uh we approved on the the uh motor vehicle baits we get these you need to sign uh I guess okay probably we we get the individual ones the three copies that we sign and there's also a total summary page and what we agreed in the future we would just get the summary page and if they look reasonable just sign off on that and let stepen uh sign off the other approve that so signing every doing a good job trying to streamline things we thought it a little redundant so stream so we discussing new old business pools in a budget I guess statement got mission statement yeah we're at there's like a bunch of those to say um so I guess along the lines of budgetary concerns um the $5,000 that was set aside for the conversion that needs to be before the end of this calendar year um but we have not received a bill from catalis uming that and that's for this past year or is that go that starts for next fiscal year what's it contract per um so that is for the upgrade conversion process is scheduled for January of next year okay that's because of the funding what's AR funding or something yes that has to be has to be [Music] spent this calendar okay so what are you doing to get ask for from to me they should be used to it sounds okay yeah okay as long as Catal is clear on what the service what the payment is for that it's for something that hasn't happened yet contract sign last last meeting 4350 4,350 uh ter D was asking whether that was approved already for prior year or not did she talk to you about that no there was three or four items that we approved oh yes um for the mapping system yes so those will be on the war for the next appr for last year now um we did approve them just those were for fy4 okay her question was were they already paid last year and it's coming up again this future year um no they are okay so you got that straight hour yes what dollar fig talk oh combined um I have a list of invoices in the office but off the top of my head I I'm not sure okay that's fine okay anything else business old business okay next item is a tax rate setting talk about dates for classification hearing and discuss some the forms that RG has been working on okay I oh yeah all right so the first form apologies for the small print um but is a spreadsheet showing uh the sales between January 1st 2022 to December 31st and these include non arm length sales transaction yes and then arms length sales transaction this this translates into New Growth we'll get to there no okay okay gotcha yeah found it now thank you so those are all our sales very interesting that's a lot more so than I would have thought yeah me too okay well some somebody on sale they're changing deep yeah that's a good point from a individual to to a say a trust or whatever so just transfer kind of an own okay so so what what is this G to be for now so the data there is going to be used for which is the EV item in your pet and this gives a breakdown of Class Type percent sales asso sales go back to this other other table okay oh it does says that's interesting then please not the med assment ratio now what what's 563 that's partials yeah 56 that's more than was on this page time oh Goa okay okay and um okay those class analyzed 101 102 103 109 that relates to type of real estate CL class analyze 101 102 103 that's the type of real estate that was sold yes uh I'd have to look up those classes but residential commercial the commercial is in at the 130 13 one is residential gotta is commercial gotta gotta gotta so what's 22 that's number okay okay okay got anything with the one is residential anything with the three is commercial okay okay and c I don't know what that is the C is a coefficient ofion and for sales in Massachusetts they have to be that figure for residential has to be under 10% which means that the majority of our sales would fall within 10% of in this case would fall between uh4 84% ours is better than that ours or 889 we're very tight okay that 94 means we're 94% of market after we've done the analysis the property assessment going for this year okay all since single families are the largest um class which is rural for all Western Massachusetts basically everything else has to be 5% of the medium uh and as you can see the only all three col we've got are the 103 109 one sale 130 132 one flank sale and 400 one flank sale so be before it's going to stay was sales make any differ so s is% Mark or the 25 for the state for us for just us as as compared to the state as compared that is saying that compared to the sales prices from 2022 and 2023 our values are 94% okay okay that's where we want to be 90 to 100% 10 okay coming from my point of view I would do my time lers I would never goove 97 ier be right around 95 okay if the market happen start going backward how do we come up with this how do we come up with this this twoyear time period one year time period okay do you says that we have to have at least 2% of the sales fisc One calendar year of the largest class res single family or we have to use twoe sales and for twoe sales you only got 3.55% two years so we had to use both years a bigger Community we only use one year more sales why don't we go in why don't we use any sales in 24 because your assessment date is January 1st of 24 can you it happens after the assessment date January 24th yeah but the values on all our property cards change until until July 1 that's true but we cannot use anything that's sold January 1 of this year and if we did look at at one sold this year in 24 is there any way doing that or any benefit to look at 24 to see it or we can't do anything with it anym you only par partial year so okay I think I follow this can you just say the first thing you said again that we it's either two years of sales or our largest class probably the same yeah got that 2% this case 11s the so AR length transaction in one year 2023 or we have to use the previous year as well which is 2020 we only got 20 sales for both years all together so we have to use twoe sales that is okay what tell me again what the 11 where did the 11 number come from Total partial numbers yeah 563 yeah if we had 2% we 11 pars and we would have had 11 this we would 11 this year okay got it there's only there was 11 in in 21 and and eight in 22 is that what you're saying I didn't I didn't break it out but between the two years 22 and 23 right saying because there wasn't 2% of sales then we need to use a twoyear [Music] measurement okay and a sales are based seller form and that comes from what registered Deeds yes sales going back to the point that it's only a change of deed it's not necessarily a sale s to buyer if somebody next door bought the parcel it's not our s um bought two Parcels on the one be We Can't Break one be your children give it to your children that's love an affection sometimes I'm sure you could be an argument moment separation yeah divorces that's I was wondering is that a divorce yeah sck yeah now this this D data is public yes I'm not sure the remarks are why not I don't think you can go into the public records Massachusetts land records these gotcha I just I just have been so used to looking up records usually some of this is confidential divorce go to Res to the registry Deeds where you're looking at right that's find all the other columns on here except the last one that's right yeah start with the numers that's the property Tye right and then the type of sale anything with those codes on means we've thrown them out for various reasons right okay and then you put the seale price right and the ass valuation as it was in fy4 and then I proposed to add you I want to SCH be for fy2 and that's what we use to calcul okay which one the proposed proposed so all all of these are not on regs all these values don't show up the asses don't show price that's right Z might have have the assessment on they might also be yeah so like just for education purposes this first one where the proposed value is less than both the assessed and the sale price how do we get to situation up how do we get to that situation see that that's on there you are really pushing what I can see you guys go ahead if you look the 017 that means that is a mixed use residential at chapter land property so our value is not full value of the property that by the chter value so somebody can sell like and that's a b attention many times chap chap are set by the St okay fictional my opinion they're fictional my op they're arbitrary because people are selling for much more but if you go tot you'll lose okay well I mean we believe in preserve I believe in Preserve land so and the town believes in preserved land well that's true if you sell I have a piece of CH St telling me we have to Value $100 an acre but sell for $3,000 anre that's what you mean by fiction fictional yeah yeah but it's a battle I would never win tried it they got hammered oh yeah wow okay that's that's a whole conversation over something there's some good stories there Joker there don't [Music] know this partial sales what is a partial Sal like you just talked about right okay the partials will continue next year they will be CED again go assess if you go on a sales table is okay so that okay further if we don't sign anything else other forms I would like you to sign one and sign la3 La so we can subm for there okay okay so you want us to sign when you do gateway gateway gateway yeah that's which I've been in so I could have signed last night well I didn't do not submit the Polie sign three and the 15 so go on the Gateway and sign three in the 15 Gateway is your in into the DSL system which has these forms and he want you to Doc sign I guess yeah okay you do yes but that's all I did okay well have you your pass I yeah I'll I'll do it I've been there but I to see okay that's I have [Music] to oh goodness okay okay move on Sten one of you will have to do it on the phone because my password's in my computer I have no idea what it is oh good I have it you have it really y aren't you smart so to the la4 and you said 300 is commercial la look like this assessment classification report might not have gotten one I don't think she got an LA for these are theat she want get with Pap because I'm so good with paper yeah so the so there are 50 50 commercial partials in this yes got it these figures include the new growth that we generated they do okay it's 50 out of 00 yeah 1137 includes your person oh okay includes her what personal problem meaning what businesses with tools personal property of that tool 501 I think question like what personal property would that be oh I said machineries in a business yes stuff like that yeah yeah machineries right sure okay cop Mach what's 12 through 43 that they're 73 of okay [Music] bre y class industrial class commercial class open space class yeah that gives us a total of $377,500 65 377 29644 oh sorry see when you get old you can't see got glasses okay cator mixes up periods and commas too make it more confusing okay so that's that's basically Bally year 2025 so the real estate and personal property total value is we're talking 377 A5 million y that's what we're looking at and what makes something exempt oh goodness chares Y open space so does that um 19 million is that part of the 377 it's over and above it okay okay that's a a healthy amount for exemptions 19 million out of 377 million what is that oh right out of% 5% I guess it's not yeah it but is it I mean what is is there no I no what I don't mean that I mean what is the standard percentage of the Town exempt they're all over the map sure Goa [Music] nothing because there's nothing there except the school and houses and landet yeah no I mean I didn't mean that as a derogatory that is this is an extension of the LA for the next the next uh just a Goa Goa Southern value should be on this comparison 101 5694 2 Joseph Barry so the uh single family are are calling up 5.7% show that's overall overall nextage so so single family has risen by 5.7% we're talking values Market values as an average in weightly they've risen [Music] 5.7 so there's there's only been just just is that but that's market value is it market value 94% market okay compare the next oh I see yeah you know it's 4.8 for to residential which includes you know the eight breakdowns or whatever call it open space the open space is the big number total commercial is 12.1 if you look at commercial see it shows 14.2 but you got other other breakdowns in there that's interesting [Music] 137 property went down 115% yes makes sense to me but I would think so yeah how the hell do you come up with that number though the owners [Music] okay you don't have to De I know you have I try and understand the basic concepts though who's who's Joseph Barber why did the electric generating plant go to zero examp now on the back of the la compar la comparison electric generating plant they go from 5 million 291 down zero value the back page of the first the second page good question FR I don't know could be solar not all solar no there's something wrong there I'll to figure out what it is good catch I [Music] need so I I thought but we're going to sign La 15 and three three and 15 form um the one we're looking at which is mixed them up now this is four thank you FR I see yeah AR we going to all utilities assess some electric that's you you have a solar solar yeah like five solar plants plants facilities facilities where the AGS for those yes where are they administrator guess I said Sol a joke turns out they were assess they were assess of value but pilot pilot agreement but it had to come back to an assess value a pilot agreement with each Solar Company and then changed that to an assessed value the tax so I can take care of that but we'll have to get I will have to get the agreements I will know where we had it yeah we got five I'm guessing could be four took a while one of them was taking forever to get up and going did it and then did we just knock your vacation did we just knock your vacation back a bit okay okay I'm sorry when's your next meting we haven't scheduled yet whenever we need to next week do you it coincides with sard meeting yes I think that I want to say this election day Tuesday December that would be great that's what you're looking at Tuesday what um so this is a a email correspondence um from the the town admin from this week um that they will likely P hearing the first Tuesday of December December 3rd that's wonderful that's a nice long so that's so we have to determine so we need a meeting before then you that seven if more than two if two or more of you are coming we will have to wouldn't yeah that's fine yeah this doesn't make sense to me that there wouldn't be an assumption that assessors would be at a classification meeting that's true but if you make a decision say you just said something made a difference and you vote on it you have to have a meeting that makes sense okay so so we're still on the next meeting yeah do a couple weeks or something whenever you you like that's the middle of that's the 14th yeah th 14 and what time just let's agree I really thought this was 10 I just have to write this down and just prepare for another phone call Stephen so like since I missed one or was late to one I've been not do 10 o' on the for got it and if and is and that's the date that select board will take action on tax rate when when does that have to be into do if they vote that night the next morning right but what's what's it liit of time we want as quickly as we can I wouldn't go any later than December but as far as for setting tax rate I right but I mean what's the IND if SL board doesn't reach agreement on December 3rd for whatever reasones care govern if the select board doesn't reach an agreement and we do not get tax January 1 cannot collect until May 1 so put next year if you want but prefer to get this done we can before right but if again if they don't approve on December 3rd next meeting would be what two weeks after that so you still have time it still time be a rush because I'm not sure like I was saying earlier we're all in agreement what's going to happen on December 3rd we will do the best we can prepare a good statement okay and will you be there David I'll do there St okay and you will prepare Stephen willare all the forms and uh recommendations for the tax classification yes okay so all these forms need to be approved by by next meeting yeah we're doing two today what kind out of curiosity what kind of ramifications could that that could raise the tax well would would and then we had to start over so it would have been delay yeah so we will fix it what time does the select board usually meet don't know they have tost time 6m okay I assume this fits into their budget schedule consant finance committee for that you think there's more changes to the rec I don't know I'll now other thing happened November is there is there a special town meeting coming up do we have to approve that that item last year carry over what's your dat for was the end of October they moved it yes get M on top of my head I don't know the date um November 12th 12th November 12 at seven is what I have in my calendar that will not interfere with our stand3 before all right the only reason I know that is from the center school work um excuse me so uh next meeting November 14 all these all these La forms will be approved and we will have all the information that needs to go to the select board for classification here yes um I will draft up a document that has all of that um and in that document we'll also have uh I guess explanation or implication if there were to do the split tax rate um but so this question comes up every year right right so far yeah okay and every year so far the recommendation from the assessor board has been to not do a split tax rate right okay so that's information for you um and last year for sure and I assume previous years various business owners come to the meeting to decide it to speak before the select board only business owners I residential owners didn't show up last year they didn't show up but they can they can be there too right so just I don't know what other towns do um but that you know there was emphatic request not to change the business rate right well other towns may have a percentage of businesses that far are far great than that may change their decisions and you say they come in and so and you're saying the select board tends to say they've got the money therefore they should pay more right more or less that's the argument they do right no that's the ARG no I know that's the argument but does does is that the history with the weight Le Select board for the last two years that's been their argument which I I disagree with well the the the problem is Joe Schmo doesn't have the money but Yankee Candle does right that's that there's no distinction in what kind of business you have so you're penalizing the little guy and and again the argument of because they have it just doesn't sit well I mean I've got money but that guy under the bridge has nothing should I have to give the guy in the bridge more because to him I'm quite Rich so the argument now you're getting into big philosophical issues that our country right someday will hopefully tackle but for this argument because they've got the money they should I mean if there are laws that's if Phil can support with data that's fine but subjectively saying that to me wrong well I'm not sure I would go that far but um that's a bigger bigger issue than us I'm still little concerned to meeting on on the 14th uh and I guess in the past we we've we've had had that meeting and had that meeting in the even that gave oh the community more opportunity to attend they wanted to that's a good point it's kind of limiting limiting that because that that has to be that has to be posted as a public meeting talk about tax classification that's an excellent point because in the in the past this board was criticized that you didn't advertise it and you didn't take no minutes that recorded So the the select board kind of said that that's not an official recommendation rep of assessors public and I don't want to get into that AR so you're saying we need we need to make it a public meeting we need a meeting before the classification here yes yes the the board of assessors need a meeting talk about that information is going to be presented at the classification here to allow well allows us to talk about it take whatever action we need and allows public to come in and hear what we're doing and speak their their piece if they want because that like to say that has been a an argument the pass you didn't follow the right rules open mini law to get all public in okay so let me I I agree with the point you're making but let me ask you a question is it actually an accurate assumption that evening is better because wouldn't this if if business owners are affected doesn't a meeting during their work time make it available to them yes and no it depends on a business if your uh local shop say open during the day yes but if you're say contractor doing work wherever may not be I don't know I mean I'm not opposed to an evening meeting but I am opposed to saying that evenings are always better because the reality is if you're a parent you're not necessarily better [Music] Mee yes I don't care the week before the select board meeting yeah if we want no the 14th is to discuss these other forms and okay discuss with you what a recommendation might be right a little longer that's do you want to do in the evening or I like to have that if we're only going do one meeting we do the evening would it be all right if we met the day before Wednesday 13th at [Music] 7M I say I'm generally pretty flexible i' prefer not Monday or Tuesday for an evening meeting but I'm fine with a different you know the 20th is is Wednesday in general better for you Stephen um at that time so the question is can we do the evening of Wednesday the 20th rather than the morning of the 14th or yeah is it can you do theed yeah I can do okay so this meeting's changed to when 20th this be the 20th 7 at 7M I do you want seven six we're talking about making it longer yes I'd rather not okay six start later okay we'd have to yeah St look at the calendar available meetings that you're get budg SE finance committee and other committe so okay I will check on that whenever they meet Tuesday [Music] the other the other thing that related to this and I I I've heard from others board and others that they don't need a a recommendation from assessors present the information select board decides there's nothing in in the regulations that say that the board of assessors has to has to approve all comes back to the select so we just come up with the math options right we just come up with options and present it to him uh I guess I would I would ask I'm asking I guess Stephen to to to check that to see is there a requirement classification hearing process where they there is where the board of assessors has to make a recommendation is there a requirement to do that if there if there isn't we're just presenting information and it doesn't matter what our view is because that's kind of what I've been hearing some of the past it's up to the three board members to decide what what they want to do for the town because we presented all kind of data information before uh before uh supporting one position or another and it's comes down to their subjective decision yeah there's always been recommendations and I think we've done any Bo that but I mean whether it's compuls or not I don't will find out almost seems like if if there should be a recommendation it almost seems like it should come from the finance committee well could be but but then you're you're involving another committee to get our recommendations to yeah I know and when do they meet and do we meet with them talk you're this is a good point to clarify yeah because it did come up last year's I think finance committee I think I was I was at the at the meeting or I presented them with uh fact sheets of our position and I don't know whether they took a a vote on it or not a position on it or not that was before the classification I remember somebody from the finance committee was at the classification hearing yeah yeah their chair was I yeah that's a good question we can find [Music] just yeah find out Finance to take action form goes to select board this all strange to me we just went to the slackard give information they posted the meeing people show up they show it's been different here in the last two years yeah well gotta tell you you're not alone because I've come across I had to work on orangs last year well uh one the select board Fact Two the select board actually almost it was not a nice Mee come on you left me hanging there I wanted to know where you were gonna go but but it it could come down to you know the the the meeting on December third is is and this is has happened in the past to show what's the impact on individuals you know we we can give a total an average value of a residential and say I want to see the breakdown for the guy that it's assessed at 200 the property that's assessed at 2 million tell me how much impact that is under under taxes yeah we can't do we can't do that in a meeting but I'll run in the tables to see and of course the other part depends on how much are you Shifting the tax rate that's right right and you can't do that in a meeting with unless stepen can do it on a computer in a meeting and and that's what could result in in another meeting after December 3D they want that information have they it's come close to that well yes the first year we went into this yeah that was presented and discussed and said look at the average property owner as this value and the average average commercial is is this so is that not part of should that be part of the preparation for the meeting I don't those kinds of answering those predicted questions we would usually say with the average single family and that b based on say 10 15 20 the mo can shift is 50% right so we could do 10 20 30 40 and 50 the old property residential family single family not a commercial on average right if you will commercial average doesn't right there's a big range in yeah but is that something that Stephen can do it at the meeting because they're gonna because it could come up well if we if we adjust only 20% these are the average values and if we adjust at 50% the limit these are the values that's something that you could come up with at at the meeting before the documents well or we can have it on our site and say this is what's going to be in the past the assessors were never asked what that shift should be no I'm not saying okay guess what I'm saying is this we can compute the average value single and at the same time have idea tax single tax tell that is and then we can do what would be a 10% shift in the commercial the tax causing the resal cost the commercial we do by deges of 10 20 30 40 50 yeah okay so we can put that in the document if that's yeah can we do instead of the a or in addition to the average what the highest and lowest sure shifts would be okay I think that may be more meaningful given how big the spread of commercial value and residential value is problem okay so you could do that for November 20th November 20th and now we make sure 14th is out of your okay what else do we have what's the other form okay so just okay so la3 la15 you're going to walk us through a sign other table grow T he said we keep that so this is the new growth report right oh I might have to go get you're going to start looking like me I'm GNA have to go get a donut oh I'll wait for the meeting down if you if you want if you want to look at this page here [Applause] la3 that's showing you there that's a summary of the you did this year and we could only find four and also the new growth by class as you can see your new grow say the second thing you said again I was looking for four because I only see two what there's four abatements all together call me there's two single family abatements yeah or SE personalty got it and then next shows the values total yeah the values of those abatements yeah okay and assessment not tax okay and then the next column show you this year how much so far 600 and that gives you value actual tax apply the levy 11,596 for this coming year okay do you know how we count the tax Ley growth huh what figure do I know how to5 that's the tax ly growth yeah yeah yeah do I know how yeah basically what we do is that 600,000 yeah that's the value we're increasing and we multiply that by last year's tax rate okay and that gives us that becomes the new tax levy growth part get two half% and the tax levy and the tax ceiling has already been established what tax levy and tax ceiling the tax levy ceiling and the tax levy getting good those are about to be determined there will be determin and we will discuss that the but because we don't have the you don't have any of that area we no recap there's no recap statement but I thought I saw one online it's online but it's not complete okay here we're talking fiscal years which are July 1 through June 30th right so what are we in now F okay so July 1 24 through June 30th 25 and the multiplication was by fiscal year 24's tax rate okay no way that have been hours well listen this did you ever see hidden figures the the original use of the term computer I mean it's Compu amazing to think about under uh this one table new grow [Applause] other and personal property for every Source don't they pay personal property they've been adding new growth for the last two or three years in town why isn't it showing up anywhere I'll have to check it check see if she got it what is ever is that connected to the solar too or the ones putting all the new poles in all up and down Christian Lane long Lane Road that was all in Source oh and you would assume that there's a I know was I plane okay and Christian Lan remember for two years they had to double PS up okay ons and that well it was connected with the solar the reason they doing it was for solar to facilitate solar electricity right no I don't know good question I think you're right it's been maybe that's it I don't know name well they are using multiple names which is what's making it confusing if that's personal property then they should be on the other table for for assess values this other back page here didn't show anything La 4 yeah says value Anything Electric generating [Applause] PL that's the one where we know is not correct 52 no no 555 s the public utilities are 504 that's where they started okay and that's that's going up by three this year where is that you look okay okay well having said that then you said the minus 5 million was incorrect maybe it is correct that's for the short no that's wrong okay that is definitely wrong okay yeah okay okay okay okay will you look into that and if it's Northstar orar I don't know whoever yeah the Fig so the figure in for that is 206,000 okay okay so for uh first on property here uh Stephen you you mailed out the forms for them to submit personal property I have not mailed that you would have done that before we started you in March 1 and did we do that before was that done we yes we s s yes that was done got okay when do they go out PR go out doing March I like to give a couple mons something just St start okay well before March 1 okay and do you have a listing of of who submitted personal property yes values you want to see who submitted personal property do we need to if you want to see the forms of list or if you just want to see in the in the past there was there was one or two uh businesses that did submit through the correction so you would like to check that so you just want the list of no right because there is an exemption of under 5,000 5,000 so if that's true why why is some of these amous farming supp 4,000 is that still you got some 800 here that's that's oh that's grow okay it's growth not personal property okay so something like the one 76 State Road completed building growth that means it went from some smaller percentage to 100% stor I just it I'm just want I want to understand what completed building means okay yeah I like to see table okay what else we need here so so we need to go we need to go session talk about values [Music] need well the boorder was there we were there okay and you will sign the 3 15 sure we're g we were hoping to do that after this meeting yeah like the Pres this time of year I'm over bet bet good to see you good see you thanks thank you David okay well that leaves us some room doesn't it okay make a motion that we go into executive session and talk about some personal property values seconded okay we call vot yes yes I okay and we will not be returning to open meeting open meeting this uh open meeting is not closed