Okay. Call the meeting to order daily board of assessors December 10th, 2025. >> First item on the agenda is okay. Call the order. Uh next discuss uh tax status. I think
you've all seen what is being proposed. I haven't heard the final do agree to read on it. I haven't seen anything writing saying that. >> Oh, you know, >> the newspapers agree every everybody's got it in. >> I'm for sure, but Derek sent us something. Let me just check real quick. >> He did. I didn't I didn't see that.
>> Thought you were on the tag, but I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. >> When did I >> Let's see. >> He said something Monday or something. Was it Monday or last Friday? Last Friday that I went in. It was getting >> I could be wrong, but I thought it was
Derek. Okay. >> Well, I'm not seeing it immediately. >> Okay. The other thing relate to that and I put in your in your packet here that that I don't know if some of you seen
relation to the tax classification hearing. I thought it was it was useful information I used in in prior years and I thought maybe you would want to see what what been developed in in a past uh
I developed this with spreadsheets where the first is a growth in values and the key thing here is to see the residential is roughly the 80%. The far right column our commercial rate is roughly 20%. That
hasn't changed really. And >> uh I see since 2018. I got you. >> Yeah. If you look at the at the other p next page, assess values by class and tax rates. You know, I was kind of tracking neighborhood communities, you
can see where weight falls in this. I didn't update this with with all of 24 25 because I gave it to Derek or Steven I guess last year and told them here's what we presented to select board and
it's your swollen they didn't they didn't do anything with it so so I didn't either >> regard well they catch me up regards to our presentation right Thursday >> right >> I thought that went quite well >> right
and uh one items I was looking at was a split tax rate for communities. You can see in the middle the Franklin County ones that uh that we have here, bless Hadley had it for a year. Then they they changed it back to single rate.
>> Uh show me where Greenfield or Hadley >> in the middle split tax rate communities. >> Yes, gotcha. >> Hadley. I had it in uh fiscal year 22. there's those percentages of commercial
to residential were higher, >> right? >> Which which is the question I I asked or at least suggested that we don't think it's equitable to do a [clears throat] split tax rate. However, at what point would it become equitable? >> Well, you can
>> it's a good question. >> Yeah. And you can see the percentage that they have commercial versus, you know, the top half shows that we're all in the 80% range for for residential, >> right? >> And in the middle of the split rates, they go anywhere from 10 to
60. Well, mine goes 66 to 30. They're in the 30% range. So, you have a lot more. Well, less residential, but more commercial. >> Oh, row. >> Row will be at 89% commercial. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Industrial and personal property, >> right?
>> And they do and they do and they do a split. >> Yes. Yeah. That >> makes that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But the question is what percentage makes it because our argument was this is not equitable, right? Residential commercial >> because we're only 20%.
>> Yeah. >> What percentage would say no, it's equable, we should do it. And I don't know if we'll ever get there, but >> yeah, it's uh >> but be prepared for that if the day comes. manage be prepared with that question. the select board says okay board assessors
>> but I don't think they will but >> so just to share with you what what I've done in the past what this board has done uh I haven't updated it for 24 or 25 or even 26 but
the numbers are on the website you know >> that's where I got all of these from too this probably wouldn't have been bad information to submit to the slip board Right. >> But I say I I tried last year and and I think even this year to David and it's
like well we got our Kent program we want to do. So >> um I didn't know you even submitted this to him. >> Yeah. Uh I showed him this as an example of what I've done in the past and if we want to update if you want to update it
and use it and I I never heard one way or another >> again. I didn't know you had done that. >> Yeah. Well, now you know. I guess if we want to >> use it in the future, I guess we can. >> I got the impression that our
presentation was so organized. >> Yeah. >> And short to the point and not complicated. >> Yeah. Right. >> We didn't get any any negatives from any sort. They're just like good across the board. >> And I think it was due to our
presentation. probably didn't hurt that a bunch of commercial businesses were out there going, I don't think this is better. >> But still, it was uh much better in terms of its presentation by far than it was last year. >> Last year was a disaster. >> Yeah. Right.
>> Disaster. It was just bad. >> Right. So >> if you present them with clean, simple, thoughtout argument or discussion, you paint a picture that makes it difficult for them to disagree. >> Right.
>> And I think we did that. I think we did that quite well. >> Jane, you were in Europe, so you were >> Yeah. But I think, you know, we need a maybe for the future less focus on on Yankee Candle because >> yeah, I was a little big on that. But, uh, >> seem to be a big item for him. And
>> yeah, and Fred brought up an excellent question. If Yankee Candle were to leave town, >> what would be their tax rate? They'll be under storage then at that point, it would never. >> Yeah. Just And that's a different tax rate then, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I probably dwelled on that just a bit, but uh I was just trying to say
that they could care less one way or the other. It's the small businesses where we should be concentrating on >> and that's who showed up as small businesses that were here. >> 50% of all America's small business. I guess I don't the parameters are still >> I do, but it was just would complicate
the discussion >> and I know were were you still here when I made the final comment to the board? at that point. >> If we're going to continue discussing this in the future, you need to tell us ahead of time that you're thinking about it. >> But they said it was the Massachusetts
law says they have to bring this up every >> Well, right. But but not to the degree and not to all the information that we presented or that RG presented. >> Well, I'm still not following you as >> well. They didn't present a whole whole lot other than that maybe that spreadsheet at the end showing
individual properties and and >> uh >> get back to what you said. I I'm not sure I understood what you were trying to tell the select board because this is >> something we do every year. Right. >> Right. But when they when they first
started to consider it two years ago, we had a meeting with one of the select board, myself, our assistant assessor, and I think finance committee. Yes. Maybe somebody else. >> This was like in October. We met and and
and talked about it. We looked at different ratios to to to >> uh shift the tax to the you know the the up to the 50% level. We looked at that. We looked at at more properties you know and we had and we had time to think
about it and and developed different scenarios showing different impacts. We did this in October and so our assistant assessor would know how to adjust the the tax rates or send out to the next
tax bills and that that was it took I don't know four to six weeks or whatever some meetings to to uh finally decide what we wanted to do. Well, it wasn't it wasn't uh the final decision. the boards and
select the assessors were had one opinion and the select board had a different and we're trying to iron it out ahead of time but we didn't succeed and it all came to head at the select board meeting >> two years ago. >> Yeah. Two years ago.
>> It's interesting if I could generally speaking when you get what you want run out the door. >> Yeah. >> Don't even dwell nothing. Don't let them think that they did I make the right decision. Just just move and then and
then if you still have that concern, certainly address it. >> Yeah, that's just my opinion. >> Yeah. Yeah. They have a right to to look at and question the rates and all that, but we went >> on and on or too much detailing and study back then. >> Back then. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's why I don't see the need to do it now because you look at the percentages that we're >> the residential compared to commercial that that's the the key driving force of of when you look at a split rate because you can see the split rates how much
difference there is in that. And you know, you you can look at the other 100 communities in town in the state that have a split rate and you're going to see the 30 to 40%. Residential only. We're not even close to that. >> We're not close to that. So, but again,
if they were they were 100% in agreeance with pretty much everything we said. They were they were just like, "Let's just get this over." >> Right. But I think that the small businesses that were here were were tired of hearing the same argument over and over again. But let's let's bring Jane up to speed just a bit. So I didn't
know this Jane. Uh I thought that Fred on the select board just had this issue and he always wanted to discuss split tax rate. But the state is the state of Massachusetts that somewhere there's a regulation that says every year the
select board has to entertain this. They can't gloss over it. They have to bring it to the public's mind. >> Right? >> And then from there the decisions are made. But I thought it was just one member of the select board who was just stuck on this issue of stuck as a bad word. Just as an opinion that is
different perhaps than others and it wasn't that at all. This is law. It has to happen every year. >> Yeah. Right. >> I that was a nice clarification for me. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But I I will say one other thing when I when I did an opening statement or Fred did an opening statement. I mean, I was
going to go through some things and uh when I met with Fred and the with the board of says just before the meeting, he says, "You know what? I'm not sure my my stuff has relevance as much as others. So, I'm going to sit back and be quiet if that's okay with you." And the first thing Fred says
after his opening meeting, Mike, would you like to like I thought we just agreed. I don't want to use yours. >> No, it's all good. It's all good because I went right into the areas. That was my whole >> presentations. >> Yeah.
>> Regarding mission statement and what we should and shouldn't be doing and how fair it would be, things like that. >> Okay. Well, I guess next year decide whether we want to do more specific comparisons to communities like I'm trying to do here or not.
>> Yeah, I would say yes. Um, however, I would also say that how simplistically we approach this this year would be the that's the gate plan. We start throwing in >> right >> minutia. Well, maybe not minutia, but
things that complicate the issue and >> it goes sideways, >> right? So >> because you know and and we all know how big the here I'm not sure they're the biggest commercial in town anymore. >> I don't know.
>> Nor down here what they're doing. >> I did know they pay about $130,000. >> So uh >> that would be a loss to us. But >> yeah, >> no it went as smooth as we could have expected. >> Yeah, >> in my opinion. >> Okay. So that's all I just wanted to
share you with you. what data I've done in the past to give to the board >> and and again if we can present this as simply as we as was presented the uh the cath classification document that I already put together
>> um say and additionally it'd be fine >> it'd be fine >> I think walking through that class classification that tax classification document even though I looked at it seven times it's still I'm always confused on the levy living 2%. I mean,
it's just always confusing with me a bit, but still >> if you can tie that document better into the LA4 >> and into this because that was kind of a little bit glossed over, but I think board was already made their mind. >> Yeah,
>> that's just an opinion. >> Okay. Okay. Any more questions on this? And I I I assume based on the last email that Derek sent that They will tell us when the final, you know,
>> do approves the final rate or when the tax bills go out or or or what or or no, they said they're also going to put the the uh update the property cards and the Patriot system and and put that
make that available, you know, online when you when you go on your assessor's page to look. Uh you can see all that information should be final and available today. Last year we
had to keep harassing them to get it and give it wasn't until February till after the abatement period ended. So people had no idea. Well, other than if you got a tax bill, you know what your tax was, but you couldn't sit down and the assessor's page and see well what's my
neighborhood doing? What's my neighbor doing? See that wasn't there. It didn't come out till February. We're saying it's way too late. Why don't you do it? Well, we asked three or four times till it finally got done. >> Um, that's fine. >> So, okay.
>> I don't disagree. >> Okay. So, we'll we'll see what else happens. Maybe next week's meeting they'll they'll uh add information to share with >> Is that one of the things you want to present to them if that's what you want? >> A board agreement.
>> Board agreement. Well, isn't that that's the one thing you would like to see happen, right? >> Yeah. Right. >> I thought part of this meeting was to present to them some of the things we'd like to see happen. >> Yeah. Well, they they said that would happen. So, I guess I'll wait to see >> to see what ends up soon.
>> Okay. Uh okay, moving on. uh we keep talking about different activities I guess that we want to discuss with RG that's I try to put together my my list here with some
background examples of some of these >> give us a copy of that list >> yeah back the next after the first day I think that's what I I shared with you last I an email too just as a starting point to talk about
stuff uh that we've kind of done in the past and I don't see much of this being done in the future or hasn't been done the last two years unless we want to speak up and ask RG to do some of this
and there's like there's a lot here I'm not proposing we ask to do everything unless you two you two people want want that uh because they're going to object to say well we don't have time to sign a
contract or you're micromanaging while we >> thank you probably need to leave that alone >> yeah so uh >> but I understand >> some of some of this is is the summary information at the top is is
pretty easy to get to just sitting down in front of the the computer and and sorting the Patriot software by these criteria and printing it out, putting it in a spreadsheet and printing it out. That's happened in the past.
I don't know. We didn't get all that last year. Yeah, we got some of that last year. Maybe from this list if you present this to them and say which of these can you do and see what they say and if the ones that are the highest
priority to you are on their list. >> Yeah, >> then that's good. And if there are some if there are some that are perhaps you need to rank these, you know, >> right? >> This is this is the most important one. this is next most important, you know,
because as Mike said or you said, I'm not sure who just said it. You know, they may say this is not all in the contract, but if you were to pick, you know, maybe you pick three of them, we decide on three of them and then maybe, you know, they do those three and
if things are calm and settled, then you can go back and say, you know, would it be possible, you know, to do this one? I I think to go in with what's most important to the board, >> right? And that's what I wanted to meet
to talk with you two to see what you thought. >> Well, let me ask >> most important and of all these on here, there's only one thing really that they haven't done and they keep talking about it and we go in circles is a 10-year list.
>> Yeah, that that's important to me. Yeah, that that's >> that would be one of the things I would want to see >> and they're contracted to to do that. They didn't do it. >> Well, let me ask you this. >> Stephen was here and we haven't done it this year. >> Let me ask you this. We're the board of assessors. Can't we print off I think
there's probably 25 years we haven't >> Yeah. >> Can't we wasn't there a list that Derek emailed us that was pages and pages and pages? >> He did. Yeah. And so they're aware of
it. So maybe the question is, how are they progressing? What progress have you made on that 10ear list that you sent us, >> right? >> Is that an is that a positive appropriate way of saying we just go? Why can't we just these are the top 20?
>> First off, you you're going to sort the list somehow uh electronically unless you want to go manual and go through and identify No, no, no, no. I agree with that list. >> And to do it electronically, I don't think it's in the format you can do it.
I forget what what it's in. It's you need it in a what? Excel. >> Sure. >> Spreadsheet. So, you can you can sort based on on uh the uh how old the
or the date of the last inspection, maybe the the value of the property. else. Yeah, but I I couldn't do it on what they sent the what 18 pages or whatever and to go through each one to pull out the what couple dozen that we
want to look at first is [snorts] >> is a task to do. >> I'd be stunned if that couldn't be pulled up later. >> I'd be stunned if they couldn't. >> But we have to ask them and they haven't done that because we haven't asked and I don't know how they plan on managing that list. >> Okay, I'm with you now. Once they pull
that up electronic say we want to see electronically first 50 old this vehicle and they present that what's to stop us from starting those inspections us being the board >> I mean I know that's what we're paying for >> but we could go do this that would be
the easiest of all inspections in my opinion >> right and but even I'd have to look at contract it >> if it if it says their contract if it says do inspections or just to to update and verify
information on the 10-year list. >> I think we're the assessors. >> We provide them with the assessing information. They crunch the numbers. >> Well, then it's then it comes down to do we want to do inspections regardless of whether they want to or not.
>> I think I would like or be interested in the 10-year inspection list. Um that would be one that's important to me. the uh new sales inspection list. I I'm comfortable with MLS, but there are issues there that might have to be looked at, but I would like them to go
in and do the new sales because if we accompany them, we're going to just be button heads. >> Yeah. And I think they they they did that did that for sure >> and we butt heads basically >> on on on some >> Yeah. Uh
so so staying with the 10-year list certainly let's ask them unless you disagree Jane with um the oldest properties in town up to a number 20 that haven't been seen 20 years these properties have not I guarantee there's
shavings there guaranteed >> and that's lost revenue for the town of Wake changes >> right >> so that would be important to me to just get that list once we have list and we can work with them and say is this part of your contract or not either way I
don't think it's a bad idea of all the inspections that I would be interested in doing to keep me uh comfortable would be that listed >> but you were going to say so go ahead I don't want to stop you >> the only thing I feel is that I thought
we turned over the inspections to them kind of we were going to stay out of it. So, they were the experts. They could come in and go out of properties relatively quickly.
>> And I worry about two different two different views that if if they're going to do the inspections, they need to do all of the inspections so that there's a consistency.
>> I like that. And you know, I think we need to ask them what's what's the status of the 10 years, what's happening. Um, let's put a let's put a plan in in place because we feel like I agree that that's it's lost revenue. I definitely agree with that. But I think
we need to give them a chance to explain where they are on that and what's what's their plan. And to your point, okay, uh, we still got to check the contract.
Does the contract say they will do all inspections? The contract we have with the with our >> Well, I thought that was a discussion that we had had. >> I do remember that discussion. I also remember saying I wasn't interested in doing inspections on new sales. I was interested in inspections on the
tenure list. I remember >> I don't remember you separating the two out, but I don't know that tenure list seems important to me and the state of Massachusetts thinks it's important too. And if they say we're just not interested in that list because we think
it's a not a productive use of our time, we can say we are interested and we can say we need to go through it. They don't want to do it. But I'm with you. I mean that list. I don't know why that and the permanent list.
>> Well, it says specifically, okay, conduct inspections of all properties which the town has issued. Okay. Building permits. That's one that and I think they've done that because we went with way them on some of them. You know, your neighborhood would be more over there. Okay. Then it says, "Conduct
periodic inspections per year as instructed by the board to meet DR mandate for properties to be inspected at least once in every 10-year period. Conduct inspections as instructed by the board.
>> So we can instruct them to give us their plan on that, >> right? the only things the two kind of inspections that they specify in here to to do. >> So just permits and what tenure. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't have anything to do with new growth or any of that.
>> Well, that's part of maintaining the records and updating. >> Okay. Okay. So either way, even if they said they would do it, that's one area because you've been in all these houses, spread. >> Yeah. >> That's one area I would like to go. I
would accompany them. They feel okay with it. So that and and the and the permit list we can get that I believe I can get that from for God. All the permit >> all the permits that been pulled they they shared that list too. They gave us
that list. >> Did they give us Okay. >> Yeah. When I saw they they only focused on the ones for I guess new growth. >> They didn't do the the roofing, the siding ones, new windows maybe. Uh, that's
>> what kind of stuff. They didn't they didn't do all of that. >> Well, if it's a new roof, that's important. >> Okay. I thought it was, but so puts an addition on their house. That's
>> Yeah. And that's uh rules if they if they've been an addition. Okay. But but the the thing that I I don't it's a little I know
concerning and confronting to to me is see they they they've got an approach of how to do the inspections and update the records. They got a they got a program to do that >> and they've done it last year and they've done it this year. two years in
a row. We've got something over here that it's different than than for the two years that they're doing some things that we have in each of these. Yeah, they're continuing over here, but we've got other stuff in here.
Do we want to still look at that or just to focus on their approach here? Oh, you answer your own question >> and and to to to look at stuff we've done in the past. It's it's some of these things that that haven't been done
last year or this year. And their approach is well, we we'll go third year and and we'll continue like we have forget what what we did here before. And when you when you stack up there and the three years in a row, yeah, everything looks looks reasonable. the growth, the
trends look all reasonable, but they didn't go in inside any houses to verify building permits or anything. >> And you know, their approach is everything is average. >> And and and what you just said is you'd
like them to do some of these things. >> Yeah, >> that's okay. >> But it's it's like, well, you're telling us how to run the program is what they're saying. >> I I get the impression our job is assessors. We provide them information. They crunch the numbers. That that
that's that's that's kind of because that's what they do so well. They crunch the numbers. But let's be specific >> on that summary. That first summary you said that some things we did, they're not doing now. Are they not doing a summary Excel spreadsheet of commercial CIP properties?
>> I didn't see it this year. They did it last year. >> And if you get it, what does it tell you? Well, I mean, it's more information purposes and maybe you you can tell by the properties
on there what whether they're reasonable or not or did you miss something or if you didn't update >> it's a check. >> Yeah, a check. You didn't update Nor Farms from last year to this year and we're thinking, well, you're driving by, you know, there was improvement on North Farm. So, why don't you increase the
value there? So, so >> that kind of stuff and it's it and and just to know where the bigger commercial properties are maybe in the f future. Well, it kind of gets back to we didn't see any information on on what they expected for
commercial properties, right? >> I don't know, but I want to stick with specifics. >> Yeah. >> This would be this first section would be a kind of a checklist. >> Yeah. checks and balances to make sure we're not seeing large differences,
>> right? >> That should be easy before we certainly have that. >> And that's I think if if you look at the the next page after this, that was that was you know for well that's okay commercial. Okay, that's okay. I thought
this residential. Okay, there's one for commercial. That that's what I've seen in the past. We've done this goes back to 8084 was telling you see you list a listing of the properties the values total values and
yeah it's nice to see that but they could say well what difference is it going to make are you going to tell me that this >> I'm asking you >> unless it's something obvious that sticks out but but you would know that uh
>> that's kind of Fred >> the range and and if you go to you know industrial you well commercial was like 85 next one industrial is only 8 so you can see the big ones out there that stick out American Tower Covestro and
Brookshire Gas don't even pre-cast concrete uh >> page are you on Fred >> just show This one it looks it's commercial.
Now this is just one year. This is how we sorted the data. Now it's only one year value. I just like like I'm saying here we should see a two-year value. How much did you change on these each year this year from 25 to 26? What's the change?
>> Well, that would be if this is an Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, that would be an easy thing to >> Yeah. >> Is that what you want? >> Yeah. I want to see that. Are we treating everyone equally >> or not? That's part of part part of our uh mission to treat everybody equally. >> I agree. So >> unless they had a major improvement on
each of these commercial industrial then we could say yeah your your your increase is more than the average. >> So when we present this to RG say we believe this report will be beneficial for the reasons you just held.
>> Good. So that's not an unreasonable request. >> And to generate this report, it should be five minutes. >> So did you generate this spread or did they? >> No, I did not. No. >> Okay. >> They they did this last year. I think
Steven did it before that, you know, Cynthia was doing it. >> So So let's let's let's stay with this. >> So I don't see the more on the commercial. Am I missing it? But you only got one page of free. >> Oh, >> is that in in the industrial?
>> At a quick glance, I didn't see it on either. So, >> no. Uh, no. Nor there's there's two more pages for it. >> That was just the first page example of what? So, so staying with these first
three, we could simply say to our RG in an email, we believe that would it be possible to to uh you know add a add a column to the Excel spreadsheet 24 and 25 26 as a checkpoint or a way to make
sure we're all something in that vein. >> Not do it because we want you to do it because we want to keep you busy. There's got a reason we want them to do it. You've already said the reason more than once, >> right? But that seems to go against their
micromanaging the program. >> Well, so what you're asking for, let me make sure I understand what you're saying. You would like the information for 24 and 25 and 26 on the same sheet so you can see
the assessed value. >> Okay. I think that's I think that's a reasonable request. >> Okay. >> Um >> and and but they say it shouldn't take 5 10 minutes for them to generate that and and here's you know I can give them here's an example of the columns that we
want on there other than the two years of data but this is how it was sorted sort it now >> and and we're doing it because we do want to be equitable across all times. >> Well and you could say we want to be able to see what the changes are. >> Sure. We feel that that's our
responsibility to see what the changes are. If there's a big change then the company that the in industry or the commercial could question it or if there's a if there's a big you know what I'm saying that we want to see that
there's not >> no I'm with you let me ask you this though there is a big change on the businesses what do we do then >> well then say we want to go inspect or show us the card and what's why is it big change >> um
that's not spot inspect I think the board >> you kind of do that with sales, don't you? When we look at sales, you're looking at spot. >> Well, that's sales or sales. >> Well, but if we if we see there's a big change in the assessed value, >> I think we should go. Yeah.
>> Well, the the person may ask for an inspection because they may feel that the increase is not fair in that. >> What if they would have made it have that choice, right? So, And you know that the other option is if
one of if one of us wanted to go sit in front of the computer and do all this, we probably could we could if they if we had training to do that. And in the past, you know, the assistant assessor there, Cynthia, did all this
very easily. We didn't have to sit in front of it and decide what uh criteria to to print out, put it in a in a file spreadsheet. She did all that. >> I'm not proposing you do that.
>> Do you want it broken down as it is here? The land value, the yard value, the building value. >> I just want to add two more columns. >> That's a that's an option. I I I guess we're >> I just want us to be very specific in what we're asking for that we know what
are we asking. Are you looking at do do you want that information for just the total value or are you looking for it over the you know when is it 25 and 26 that you want it for? >> Well, >> that's a good question.
>> Yeah. Or or leave it up to them. I guess we could ask him what what's would be significant >> and which one would show the biggest possible variation probably total value >> I would think total
>> well there's some yard value here and alloy farms there's quite a bit co-op auction there some of the here valley pioner valley growers
Oh, now I'm looking building value. Oh, okay. >> I think total well total unless I'm wrong. >> We Yeah, we can decide what data we want to show or we can leave it up to them. I guess >> well if you leave it up to them then you
can't complain what they gave us. >> I like specifics. >> Okay. >> And just you've got it specific right here. >> Yeah. >> Right here. this is, you know, and if we present it to them in a do it or we're upset fashion, that's not going to work. Say we believe this falls within our
mission statement, >> right? >> And it also falls within our abilities. >> So 24, it looks like 24 is done. So what you're looking for is 25 and 26. >> Sorry, I think this is one
>> and that that's an easy report. So we need to make a um >> okay and and and the other part okay that that's the commercial industrial personal property the next group is for residential and
and what what I what we've done in in the past we just picked well I'm saying 50 what what we did I think you'll see on when she here. Uh this state we have residential greater
than 500,000 says value. >> There was probably uh 100 properties. >> So 88 properties were more than 50,000. >> Do we do we want you know I just now
said that the top 50 largest properties We're not looking at the value. >> So why >> does it tell you? >> I don't know. Just point one information to >> what does it tell you? >> What does it tell you? >> Well, if you compare two years, is it
going to tell you whether they were all increased uh equally? Apparently, I I don't know. >> They may not increase equally because some of them may be an A, an A minus, a B+, a B, a C. >> Yeah. a lot of parameters.
>> Um I I don't know because see that's what we well and it was it was done by uh this was the first page I forget the three p it was done by owner alphabetically by name rather location.
Oh, I see that. >> Yeah. Second column here. First column owner. Now, we're the key is to list them. >> I don't know. Do we want to know what the top 50 or or even at the same time the lowest 50 are? >> Well, tell me what it tells us. How does
it help us be equitable to all taxpayers? And I will tell you when I studied a lot of patriots cards, when I did my abatement, there were very inequitable increases in assessment in my opinion
when you looked at >> and they were based on the kitchen, the bathroom. So unless you dig deeply into that for the comparisons, I don't think you can comp I think it's comparing
apples and oranges. I think I I I know I might be here less than a year, but I don't see how that this information is useful to us unless you have the Patriots cards for every single one of these because it get they get into
flooring. They get into um you know, so they're going to increase and assess value differently, won't they? >> I don't see the value unless you convince me. Well, that's that gets to what we were looking at in Pine Plains.
we had uh we we looked at that information and I guess that's the other alternative of of well you've seen a spreadsheet we've looked at for sorted for pipelines and we looked at at the the condition the
type of facility type of building uh we computed a a square footage cost Uh but but that that had the all the the the the condition, the rating, number of bathrooms, the condition of bathrooms,
all that all that stuff in in a spreadsheet. We could get that for these if we wanted to do that. >> Folks, before you go pipeline, stay with the 50 highest and lowest. Where's that going to get us? >> Stay with that. that to me I'm new to I
don't see what that information is going to do for us >> that that might >> before you go off to pine >> well then we could ask for that specific information like we have here for Pine Plains >> 50 highest 50 lowest
>> yeah 50 highest see that's I don't know if you ever seen that's that's a spreadsheet that I >> let's say 40 of the 50 that and Excel and have sorted I forget by the columns different columns whatever you want to sort by to make comparisons. >> Well, let's let's do >> we want to do that for the 50 highest.
>> Well, let me ask you this question. What if all 42 homes in Pine Plains were the highest? What what does that tell you? >> Or the lowest. What What does that tell you? >> Well, you're going to have others in general. >> Well, just stay with Pine Plains. What if 50 of those problems? >> Well, that's that's
>> What does it tell you? uh what what can you deduce from that? >> Well, that can be a separate analysis to make sure we're we're looking at Pine Plains equally within Pine Plains, not against
the rest of the town, per per se. And that's that's what we were trying to do with that that spreadsheet there. Look at various criteria. And I guess what I'm saying, we could apply that all the columns there that we're looking at individual conditions and grades and
whatever to the 50 highest if we want and see if if they're all being I guess treated equally. Well, you you got so many variables on there. You got the you got all the individual the the kitchens, the bathrooms, the square footage, you
got the grade, the condition, year built, all that stuff. Well, let let me suggest that it >> makes makes a difference. >> I think before you do too much with this with pine planes, you need to clean up the style of the houses.
>> Well, that's that's another another thing. That's another thing I I my feeling is I don't think having the data on the 50 >> highest determin highest assessed
residential properties and the 50 lowest assessed residential properties. I don't see how that's going to give us any information. >> Interesting. >> And interesting. Yeah, >> I I question I I I even question doing it because if
I had a house that was on the 50 lowest, I would say why does why why does anybody need a list to show that my house is one of the lowest valu I I >> I don't think it gets us anywhere. Unless I suggest something, you will change my mind. But
>> or comparison to others on the few on the on that list. I don't know. >> How does it serve the >> taxpayers? Doesn't serve our mission. >> Yeah. How does it doesn't serve our mission? How does it serve the taxpayers? Oh, wait. Wait. If we show 50 highest and lowest.
>> It does. It's just whether this this >> and if we generate a list like that, that's public knowledge, right? works. >> This can be >> Yeah, anything's public, >> you know. I'm >> Okay, Brad, I'm going to ask you one more time. What do you hope if we get
this information, what what do you hope how would it help the sport assessor or accountability taxpayers positively or negatively? I guess that's my question. So if it's if it's in this format like
we had and I guess just point information or if somebody comes in and say what's my neighbor look like? Well you get online >> you go by and do that that's probably an issue >> just point information. Well, maybe you don't. We don't want that. I jump. I
>> I think I'm, you know, when I look at the list, I think the 10year and those inspections that to have that data that that's much more it it could get a income that were missing because things haven't been inspected.
Um, I think >> I'm with you on that one. I I again I don't see where we're headed with on this one, Fred, unless you got a compelling argument. >> No. Okay, I wouldn't cross that off the list. We don't need to make motions or anything. >> No. No. [clears throat] >> And then uh planes estates, you know, do
we want that as as a separate >> comparison like we we're doing there to make sure everybody is in the right style and house and grade condition. And and if I if I could say something about pine planes, first of all, if you go back and redo some of
those uh criteria, ABC, ranch, whatever, you're really questioning what you did to begin with. >> Yeah. >> Um and you probably come up with numbers and how you did begin with with a with a you know, a sound plan. If you do it in
one neighborhood, I think you have to do it in all because I think then people could question, you know, why are you why >> why are you looking at this? >> Well, let's let's put it this way if I could. Um, the market is a wonderful >> equalizer if I could. The market cuts
through everything and it's you sell your house today for half a million. That's its value today. That is a much different value than tax value because tax value is two years. is historical. It's using data from two years ago to come up with an assessed value. Market value is today and that's only for today
could change tomorrow. So with that line of thinking, everyone at Pine Plains Estates is probably paying more um in terms of taxes because their houses are newer um perhaps bigger up to date. Would it make
sense that new houses that are up to date and bigger than perhaps some of the houses in Weightley have to pay more in tax? Of course they would. It's the market. The market's going to dictate that. Um but to go in and change all those parameters. I think that we're
going to leave that to the taxpayer to say I'm going to do an right. >> They have that right. Uh, and to James point, why don't we just say, okay, let's let's let's let's do a 10-year study on Matthew Sher.
>> Now, getting back to the lot prices. Um, I know that's an issue for your president. >> The land value. >> Yeah, the land value. Um, most people find states pay 105. I probably paid the most when I came in at 120 somewhere near and the tax value on that land is
what 116, which is San Diego. And I'm not sure what formula that we use to come up with I paid 125. The value is one6. However, uh that is and was the approximate price of the lot in their
league over 1 acre. Now that's going to change for us because we now have values over there that are above that 150. It's only two or three. I don't know what has to change, but um so when you compare a
lot in Pine Plains Estates versus somewhere else in town today, you might be able to argue, probably could argue that um you would pay more for that lot because it's private or whatever you have versus what you might pay for somewhere else
somewhere. In fact, you this is the market. Market will clarify everything. If we're paying more for everything in Pine Plains Estates taxes because there are some houses in there are quite nice just like there are houses on Matthews Roser and they're paying more.
>> So how do you go in and say well we need a [clears throat] 10ear study on this this doesn't seem right. It's it's back with this your economic locations east Wley Wley and and it's village center. >> Yeah >> that has been the way it is for forever. Although I
know there's been some discussion about East Wley and a category called Pine Plains Estates, >> but according to RG, >> they just use those three. What would be the goal to put Pine Plains estates as another economic location?
Not the goal. What would be the purpose when wherever you are, you're going to pay taxes based on the value of your property, be it go up and down. And the thing that I would add is each of those other areas has an ability to grow. There's no more land in the plains of state.
>> Good point. >> So, of course, if there is a lot that there's a couple of empty lots that people haven't decided what to do, of course, >> supply and demand. >> Supply and demand. But, you know, if there were >> 30 more lots to be purchased,
>> um, I don't think you would have you'd see them selling for 50 because there's 30. That's an estimate for real estate. >> There's no there's no place for it to grow. >> Okay. >> But the only growth is going to be in uh value as time goes on. >> Okay.
>> But two two years ago, Pine Plains Estates was at the the what 115 116 value and the rest of East Wheatley was in the 95 to 100 green.
And then the first year we got involved at RRG, they made everything the 116. >> Oh man. >> Basket. Why? Well, >> we had three houses sold in fine in fine plane. So So that's why the value should be higher.
>> All of East Wley and and and all of East that's that's probably a third of the town. That includes everybody from at least State Road State Road East. All them houses east of State Road are now
the says the same value for land. >> Well, that's leads me to my question, Fred. What does the town do when a property sells for one acre lot? They kind of assign it a number, don't they? >> Yes. And we've we've done that in the
past. Some on State Road sold for 30 thou 50,000 on State Road closer to the intersection or Christian Lane. They they sold for that price. Uh but we assigned a land value of 95,000.
>> We didn't we didn't go by by what they paid for it. >> Yes. And my question is how did you come up with that number >> because I guess that's traditionally what we had for land values. I don't know how far back it goes whether we increase certain percent every year or
what, but it's been in the 90 90 to 100,000 range. If you go back two years and look at the data, that's what you're going to see for all of Israel. See, my house was the same way. There was, I don't know, 95, then all of a sudden last year it went up to 116.
There's very few land sales, lot sales and and east other than I guess I would say Pine Plains. Maybe Egypt Road has has a few, but uh and then and then you
got some in the west part of the state, but I've never got an answer why all of Eastley all of a sudden is the same blend. Yeah, it's easier to put in a computer to to do them all the same, but >> Well, well, that's that's a reasonable
question. >> Yeah. or or looking at, you know, if you're looking at at the types of land in let's just say east in East Wley, you got, you know, State
Road Corridor, you you got on planes, you got Egypt Road. Do you think the people the lots on Egypt Road should be valued the same as the lots on >> taxes? We're talking tax value. Think they should be the same? I think you've
come up with a number for those and I don't know how you get your numbers. >> Yeah. >> Mike, didn't you do something looking at land sales in the area? >> And >> it's hard to comp. Yes, I did.
>> I didn't see any department analysis. >> Yeah, I don't I don't think they they they did anything with that. Yeah. >> So, I I don't >> this thing that you did here. >> Yeah. I mean, that's difficult. three
over three acres was you know >> it it it's not easy because you don't have a lot of similarities up there. >> Yeah. Well, then you there aren't a lot of sales leading for one. >> It makes it less credible, I guess, without enough data to back up what
you're trying to say. But today, well, there are no more lots in Prime Planes. But I guess the question now is what if there are a lot come up on Christian Lane for it would probably go up at 150, I guess. >> Yeah. >> Because that seems to be the going rate.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> For any type of a buildable lot. >> Yeah. >> And if they have more acreage, perhaps more. I don't know. But, you know, you could you could do an an abatement thread. You feel that that was an incorrect number. >> Yeah. But everybody else around me that
the other 250 houses in East Wy got the same land value. >> Like I said, you could do an abatement. >> Well, so >> or you have to come up with some sort of change. Well, couldn't you do an abatement based on the fact that you questioned the the increase that
happened >> that >> I tried to do that without file abatement, but I didn't get anywhere. And it's like, well, that's the value we're saying. >> I think your question is unreasonable. Let's put it in our email. How how did you come up with land values?
They'll probably have a good answer. I don't know the answer. I know that the market dictates and that's the end of the story. West Wley, you look online, Westley is in the 90,000 range. Their land values are all in the 90s. West way
>> all all from uh center of town from just ch just plain road all head and west that's all in the 90,000. Well, it's 90,000 to start with. Some have have the the view tags on top of it, but but the base is
is is 95,000 say for all of them. Then why it's worth That's even even the ones on Masterson Road, they started at 95 and we applied a view tax, so they're up to 140, 150. Well, that's probably what they paid about that.
>> They paid about I almost bought a lot of >> Yeah, but it started at 95 and they're still that way. 95. They didn't adjust all of them to 116. >> 95 plus the blue. That sounds like you have an abatement. >> Should we adjust the hotel to 116?
I think they have data to support it. We just should we should just add >> I've never seen it and I don't know why they did East way just and not the rest. >> Again, I don't think you're being unreasonable. If you feel that you want to know that
answer, ask him. >> And I don't think that's an unreasonable request. You may or may not like the answer, but certainly you can ask it. Is is that a question to like request an appointment? I know not,
>> you know, and >> I understand. >> No, to go in and and talk to Derek and and David and can you explain how my land value increased like this? I don't I don't understand why and how. [clears throat]
>> And um then if you don't get any satisfaction there, then violent abatement. >> Yeah. Is it that this is I know this has bothered you Fred. >> Yeah, I I kind of done it last year in writing. We back in February, March when they when
uh Manello came in and talked about analysis for the growth and all that based on sales and and all and I asked them one of the questions. How'd you come up with land values for Isley? And it's like, well, I don't know the
answer. They didn't answer. They didn't have an answer. writing and we asked once or twice and it never got answered. >> There's your opportunity. We want to ask them some questions. >> I don't know where. >> Yeah,
>> I I won't get anywhere with Derek. It's It's >> I would say we're not This is going to RG. We sent it right back David Melo. Okay. >> Unless unless >> we should we have land different land values for say these three areas of town.
>> Well, that's your question. How did you come up with those land values? >> And then I I think that's a really good way of saying it. These three areas and you're not pointing to one, right? >> Can you explain to me um
>> would you explain? Yes. would um you know what are the land values in East Wley what are the land values in west weight and the village center okay I don't know is it is it the same throughout each
area Fred or or is there variation >> no Jason houses in each area they're same >> it comes down to how do we how do we come up with a land value >> I don't know how >> how does the town of Wley through the
board of assessors. That's a question we should know is how did you come up with those land values? >> And you know I kind of mentioned this to to Derek I don't know or was sitting here at the last meeting or in his
>> and he said well uh this other guy that came that did the analysis looked at land value looked at land value. So what's your question? >> Well you butt head I wouldn't go there. They wasn't looking at at >> so does this does this say what
>> how do you come up with land values are they referred to as economic areas >> um locations >> I I would call economic is we don't have >> just in those three areas that's fine >> in the three >> economic zones or whatever >> in the three three zones economic
sometimes has a negative connotation >> um in the three zones east Wley Westley >> and village center. >> Yeah, >> that I think I think that's a that's a fair question. It's not pointing at any one. It's like we need to understand how
the land >> we're getting questions. >> Why why are they even why are they different? You know, what what do you look at? What are what are the qualifications? And then it's a it's a broadbased question. It's not like I'm
asking why is mine this >> but why are >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's not a reasonable question. I mean there's it would be unreasonable for anybody to walk in this room from the taxpaying public >> because I could I couldn't tell anybody that I don't either because I I never
got the answer that I understand >> and I know that Derek's answer is well Harold Shields whatever told you looked at that and they seem reasonable. Well that's not what he was looking at. Yeah, I >> the reason for the sales he was looking at. I guess
>> you can you can you can blame it on me as a new person or Mike and I as new people that we would like a better understanding of how land values are determined in the three zones eastly, westly and village center. I think
that's that frames it in a >> nonconfrontational way. I agree and my gut tells me they will have that answer and they'll have that answer backed up by data and if they don't have it backed up by data then how did you come up with it?
>> Yeah, I I'd be stunned if they didn't have that and I don't know how they came up with it but it is something the board should know. Really? We should know that. Um, while we're on this, can we add Wait and not now, but I want to make
sure that um we know what's going on on North Street, but we're in I can't I don't want to give the address, but I would like to know what's going on with that. >> After we're done here, I'll show you. I'll share with you. >> Oh, thank you. Okay.
>> Okay. So, for we finish my list. Okay. Pine Plains Estates. We don't want to do anything separate with that. You're saying we don't need to ask them for a spreadsheet like a like a draw for whatever. >> Yes. Unless you think there's something
that would reveal and and help, but I don't know where we're going on that. >> Okay, I'll leave that off. Okay. Can you hear instructions? Okay. The the sales arms arms length, they they they did a
analysis and that's what this is Harold Shields doing the sales and whatever. Are you going to say arms length? >> They did arm length stails, right? But but but my concern is the ones that are not armlength, >> like the two across the road from me are
not arm slings because they have a a business with one and they have a uh fourstar garage with the other. Did they look at any any what changes other than than uh the uh
the standard percentage of growth 7% or 10% whatever they put and and and their answer from David is well they're not arms length so we can't really adjust like we just arms length sales but that means everything goes back to the to the
regular increase. >> How do you know that was not an that was an not an arms length? >> They said they said so. >> So you buy for that? >> Yeah, it's on the it's on the list. I asked these two houses on a list here
that that are two or 300,000 difference in assess value versus sale value. Why wasn't that in the analysis you did that Harold Shields did and David Burch's answer was they're not arms length so we don't include them. But you would normally not include,
>> right? But what but what but then maybe the question without being specific as to what houses we're looking at, what properties, how do you and there may be others the same way. Well, there probably is others on that list. How do you determine the value
other other than than an average condition is all you're doing. You're saying it's average for single family home went up 7%. So that house across the road from me, it sold for 900. Now their value went up from 400 to 480.
There's still 300,000 difference. >> I'm not following you. First of all, I think that sale was an arate transaction when you paid $875,000 propert. >> So they're saying it was not >> one of two of them were at least one of
them was not. >> I bet the barn is not was not they paid 875 for that property. Yeah, we had a bar and and and office in the bar in that or apartment unit or a unit.
>> Yeah. And the main main house, but the other one is got the the the house and and a four-star garage. I don't I don't know. But
but they didn't adjust for it. >> I guess maybe it comes to how how close of a value do you think your your assessed value should be to what you paid? You paid 875. Wouldn't you expect
your assessment to be somewhere close to that? >> No. Again, you're using stale or old data to come up with that. And you're you're confusing market value with assessed value or two different things. Not even close to the same,
>> but maybe okay. If it's 875, no, I wouldn't uh I I I guess I don't know how what the difference should be, but but to me a a 300,000 difference in assessed value. Does that seem reasonable?
>> Well, probably not given the context of your question. >> Yeah. But the question now becomes, is that enough for us to do an inspection or not inspection? >> Well, it should be. I mean, well, that's what we used to do before. Before we
deal with RG, that was our trigger to do inspections. The big difference is like that sales versus assessed value. We would go look, inspect, make sure we we missed something, didn't miss something. Basement wasn't finished or is finished
now. we didn't add it on there or you added another bathroom or you did something else kitchen. >> You can't tell that just looking at a sale price. Now, maybe Zillow or MLS will tell you that, but >> maybe >> you you you can't do that without an inspection. And that's what we used to
do. >> I don't I don't know. I don't have a good answer on this one other than there seems like there's missing data somewhere. Yeah, there's there's there's two houses that sold for the same price on Christian land. That one across from me
for 575. >> No, no, the other one just the other one died. One with a fourstar garage, whatever. Says that 5 560 whatever. And it says value is in the 300 range. There's one at the other end of Christian Lane before you go up the
hill. Christian Lane on the left loop old house. Let's assess the value. It's the same price, 560. We were in there, or at least I was in there a year or two ago. Looked at the condition and it's in the in the close to 500 range.
That value same same. It's sold for that price of 500. Both of them sold for the 500 range. And one is assess one is assess close to 500. Another is 200,000 difference. >> I don't I don't have a good answer. and
and they're they don't seem to care because it's they're not going in to verify anything different >> because they're saying it was not an armed one of those >> and and and I know by seeing what's going on
two properties well the two across from me you know and it some of them are on the on the uh uh building permit list. They've had contractors in there doing work since they bought it.
So, there has been improvement since they bought it. >> Well, then would it be unreasonable? >> But if there's a building permit, then don't we go in and inspect based on the building permit? And if the permit hasn't been closed, >> then then
>> I think some of the properties that we visited this past summer, the permits had kind of like dragged on. So, we went in and did an inspection. So, if they've had permits, >> then doesn't that give us the right to go in and inspect?
>> Well, yes. >> Or my one of my first complaints when I got here and and someone thought we shouldn't be working with the permit department. We should be working very closely. >> Yeah. >> And uh and and when we and we can get that list from Furrow.
>> Yeah. So when I drive home tonight, I see a new garage or one of these buildings. I can go to the there's a bunch of places now which has some reversion. I can go to the Furog inspection to say 111 are making up an address
main street and pull. >> Yeah. >> Down just down the road here down a street right and left. There's new garages built last year. >> No, no, that's what I'm basically saying. So we should work closely with the permitting department. We really haven't
in my opinion so far. So I would like to see it. I bet I can call for a dog. I know somebody who works up there and I said, "How do I get a a list of permits pulled in weight in this time frame?" I guarantee they give it to me. >> Well, I public records.
>> I kind of asked that and and to do it yourself online, you needed a password or access to it and they would give it to me. >> I I allotted an hour for the meeting in my schedule. um event. >> So, [snorts] um I I need to leave.
>> We need to wrap this up. >> Yeah. To wrap to wrap it up. I mean, I can give you another 15 minutes, but that's about it because I >> Well, let's stay with the program. >> Um let's let's simply say to RG, there are a couple of houses that we're
confused about as to uh proper um assessed value based on sales that may or may not have been arms length. Could you clarify? >> Okay. >> I mean, that's not an unreasonable request. >> Okay. And
so we could Yeah. do that for Yeah, that's that's stuff that they can uh >> Yeah. >> address. And how about the last one? You know, I've mentioned this once or twice and you know, we had the house across from the town hall sold for
I don't know personally credit and I think David Burgess looked at it and said, "Well, we didn't have the right description on here." So, yes, >> yeah, the value was was correct. So, he adjusted that free family. >> Yeah. adjusted the value. Fantastic. >> And that was because one thing I noticed
it was it was built in the 1800s >> and there's other houses that are that way. >> And do you do you think an 1800 house is is it hasn't had any improvements? >> Well, you're asking its economic age. Yeah. >> And his economic age if it's been improved is not 1800. That's your
argument, right? >> Right. >> Yeah. So, and what so you're saying there are 1,800 homes and they with effective years that should be larger >> built in the 1800s. Yeah. That that should either have an effective year
>> of greater than that based on improvement, >> right? Other than is there any information in the town or through the state of Massachusetts if it's built in the 1800 1900s and improved we we we give this different status and or apply differently appraisal
>> I don't know >> I would think economic age so if you improved your house you improve the economic age >> so you're saying that some of these houses have been improved but still have 1900 economic agent >> you got specifics here >> yeah the some river some river road.
There's one on on I think >> okay question >> laying by the tracks. >> It's another very reasonable question. >> You know an 1800 house does not have didn't even have running water probably have town water >> or electricity electricity >> outouses.
>> Uh so so if that improvements have been made should you update the the effective year of the house from 1800 to something else? >> My answer is yes but you're so many years bad. I don't know if there's some something that is precluding them for doing that.
>> It's an antique or something. I don't. So, yes, >> they then they need to explain it to us. >> Yep. I'm with it. >> But you need to and I I guess you could do a search on that to look at the age of houses that are all built in 1800s
and see what the if any of them have an effective year. I guess that'd be an easy search to see. >> And it' be an easy question for RJ. >> Yeah. I see Jane's putting down great notes. We've decided you're going to be the email putter together on this.
>> Okay. >> Um I'll give it my best shot. >> Yeah. Send it out to Fred. I trust I trust how you put it together. >> No, not necessarily. And so, so one thing that based on what you just said
that we might want is the Patriots cards for houses built in the 18 and 1900s. So, we can look at the effective date, >> right? Determine if it's >> Did I say it right? >> Yes. >> You might want to also add how do you
determine effective date for a home built in the 1800? So, there are different criteria. You know, you don't have to say that. just shouldn't these effective dates be changed if they've been improved and they might come up with all the answers
why or why not this is a better way to I know you mention a lot of these things more than once and we never there's like a hundred houses we don't need Patriots cards for 100 houses but we would like to see how
houses. How How is the effective date recorded on Patriots cards for houses? So, can you give us, >> you know, like a half a dozen? Would that be >> Well, no, just just say how do you how do you determine effective date if a house is built in 18 or 1900s,
>> period? It's all we need to know. And they'll and they'll uh they'll say, well, if it's built in 1800s, we apply certain criteria or it's could be 1800 or 2025, it's the same criteria. >> Yeah. Then therefore
so keep it simple I guess is how do you determine it >> of course the easy answers are look at building permits the same building permits so assume nothing was done but >> well then that's another problem that leads us to a different yeah
>> so could they easily provide us with a list of houses that were built in the 1800s and 1900s >> because I'm curious how many. This is my, you know, >> I don't know. I'm guessing 100 maybe. I
>> think you got that many. >> You're right. >> You're right. >> And I just I guess every so often you run across that looking at the at the property cards and you see it's built in 1800 and no effective year. So I I guess
it raises >> is it called effective year or effective year >> effective year? >> Effective year effective year is an economic term. >> Okay. >> Regarding >> because I found myself switching to the more dates. >> Yeah, no problem. Effective year.
>> Okay. >> Right. I have a crazy day tomorrow. So it may be Friday before I can try to put this together. >> You're all over your jet rag, are you? >> No, not really. I really had it's really hit me hard this time around.
>> I bet. >> I think the older you get. >> I don't travel anymore. I can't do it. So, good for you. I hope you enjoy. Let's see. Here's here's one that we do here. just as insurance a value less
than the bottom list 200 less than 200,000 I don't know that it's just I guess information I don't know what we did >> what are you showing me here it's >> that's just a list of owners of the least value >> oh least valuable >> least value and I guess it's more
information do you think that's reasonable did you know that houses were valued that low in town >> that It doesn't surprise me at all to tell you the truth. >> Somebody from North Realy
>> Yeah. No, no, no. It doesn't surprise three or four years. >> Does he really have reserve? >> But Louis Yeah, right there. Right there is what I had seen state road number 13. Yeah.
>> Transparent [clears throat] >> right there. >> Um >> yeah I mean what is >> I I know I was just curious information I guess and to and to know whether
it was it was reasonable. I guess we didn't really do anything. >> That's a very difficult term to define. >> Yeah. So the same with these that are that are over 500,000, >> right?
>> Okay. I think we're we're signed out. >> You have been signed out because you're not currently signed in. >> Okay. Yeah. The other thing you you mentioned to you on on the uh 52 North Street. >> Uh is it I think it's nine.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's a I know Jane's under time street. >> Okay. >> Read what you want. That's >> um you want >> you want to keep asking about you know what are we doing with that? And it's um yeah, David Manzel is working on that.
This has been going on since July. >> Um Okay. And and and has the >> the only thing that bothers me is has they have they reached out to us and have we not respond? >> No. >> Have they reached out to us is the question. >> They did reach out to you yet.
>> No. So they've reached out to >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, I assume they did. I I don't know. This went to Uh Derek gave this to to David Mello and said, "You're handling it." >> So it's being it's being it's being looked at
>> and I don't know if Derek is any contact with with the property owner or not. >> Well, I suspect that this is not a short process. >> I I don't get a definite answer from him. It's like, well, Mandela is handling it, so ask him. >> And looks to me like it's at the appellet tax court at this point.
>> Yeah. and and I don't know the the time period where PAL tax board has to decide on this. So, >> we need to get our attorney involved or I think we're good to >> do it for us. I guess >> I they I think we're fine.
>> I mean, as long as we didn't ignore that >> the other thing, you know, so we'll prepare this list. >> Oh, yeah. They did. They sent something to you right here. >> Yeah. >> So, that's to you. Yeah. >> And did you did So they have reached out to us. >> Yeah. But we haven't responded because
RG is supposed to do that for us. >> I think we should have responded. It's too late now. >> Okay. >> Way too late. >> Yeah. >> We We should have responded to that. I didn't know you had received this. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. J, try to prepare
something here for our next for next Thursday. I'm meeting with RG and >> what's going on? Why are we meeting next Thursday? I think it's a regular meeting. >> This this we should have. >> Yeah. One other thing that that kind of
related to this that's going to come out is the budget for next year our assessor budget and in there is is our RG's contract price of >> 40,000 continuing from what we had.
>> Right. If they say they can't do this unless they need more money, >> what are we going to say? Well, >> are we going to increase their budget for this? >> They want to do these 10 year inspections. But >> if they want more money, let's cross that bridge and we get
>> or they if they say, "Well, we don't we can't do it within the existing contract." >> Well, we have to cross that bridge, too. >> Are we open to discussing increase in the contract? Of course,
>> Peter is is kind of adamant about the what the numbers are. And of course, Steen last year trying to increase it because he had a com a copy that had a different value in it. And Manello stuck with Stea and I went to Peter. I said,
"Peter, here's what it says. 40,000 period." Okay, that's what we're going with. 40, not the 42 that Manzel wanted. The only way that they could >> I mean I've I've written so many contracts in my life is amend the contract to amend it >> they would amend it >> right
>> mean thereby changing it I don't know if a dend or amend means change or not but a change in the contract if so if they want the bigger number they have to addend the change the contract or they're stuck with what they got >> right >> now they could call that they say we
need more but that's that's a that's a change >> then we'd have to make the determination Yeah. >> Is that what we want to do? But that's that's another >> what if scenario >> could come up in the next month or two. >> It'll come up
>> present the contract to finance company. >> I I being new still like where we are now versus where we were this time last year. >> I was very pleased at the last meeting. I thought that was perfect.
>> So am I supposed to give this back to you? You can have that my you see that they did reach out to us. >> We never responded. That first letter they said it's the first letter right there. Please accept this uh document that we're going to file. As you know,
we're not happy if we would like to perhaps we would like to meet with you basically is what they're saying, aren't they? >> Yeah. Now, they're probably going to file another baitment come January when we get to January tax. >> I understand. I I don't want to over over labor this
point, but I wish I'd known this because this required an immediate phone call or be with them. >> Now, see Derek kind of says some things happened where there was some discussion with him, but I can never get a definite answer like either he did it or Manzel
did it and don't worry about it because they're communicating with each other. >> That would be a topic for executive session. >> Yes. Oh yeah. Yes. >> And it should be a question that you put in this email. Um to RG where are we on
this? >> You mean you want me to include that in >> Yeah. Where are we on this? >> What's What's the scenario? What's the >> So So Fred, I'm going to send it to you. >> Yes. >> And I'm gonna and I'll send it to Mike and I'm just going to do it as an email
and then you can copy and paste it and put it in Word and adjust it to how you want. Does that sound >> Yes. >> Is that okay? >> Yes, it does. >> Because I don't want to get into the sending it back and forth 17 times like when we're trying to do those documents
>> violating open. >> We're we're good. >> Yes. Okay. Meeting. >> Do you need to adjourn the meeting? >> Okay. Meeting adjourned. >> Second. Hi.