Okay. Open the meeting. This is why Board of Assessors, Thursday, October 23rd, 3M at 2000 2025. First agenda item is review minutes of the last meeting from September 25th.
Minutes here. I thought last minutes we're in hopes of getting at least a Cessor's calendar so that we can come to these things and go, "Oh my god." You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Well, we're going to ask you. >> Well, that's something.
>> I'm sure they do. Just to keep us on top of things more like me. You already know. What's coming up? >> Explain growth at the next meeting. >> Okay. >> Well, that's this is this meeting we're going to talk about
>> growth sales volume, right? >> Yeah. They only got >> and what's not that I want too much. >> So it's what taxpayers in town are
having problems paying for their taxes and therefore we need our >> anything we're not going to bring that up today. >> Derek was more information. >> Hey Dave, >> how are things going? with you. >> They're going. They always do, don't
they? >> The only thing I would maybe add to the minutes is the uh we >> Yeah. directed RG to find out more about the uh veterans and our senior
>> is that is that the tax program >> tax program tax write off? Yeah, we haven't looked into that, but that's next week. Next time >> you're talking about when I put the senior tax work off, right? >> Yeah. When we had that in September, you was set the table in tip of November. >> Okay.
>> Then um again, you had you had mentioned that there may or may not be an assessor's calendar mostly for us. >> Oh, I did. I told you guys that. I sent you an email. >> Oh, you sent an email on that. >> They've been sitting in the boxes in there for a while. >> Oh, okay. I'll grab them. >> No, no, no, no, no.
That's good. We Okay, we've got That's great. >> I don't remember you said email, but >> No, no, that's fine. I know. That's fantastic. >> Just so we don't forget. >> Thank you. >> Good. So, we got >> No, that's great. I >> see um Jane or should I just leave hers
in there? >> She's in France. Just leave hers in there. You won't be seeing her demo. >> This is that's our calendar that we call >> Oh, that's that's really perfect. >> That's perfect. >> Yeah, I like you said, I'm up near
positive I sent it, but >> you probably did. You know, you know, you probably didn't back in. >> And are we on schedule according to your October thing here? Then final value certifications.
Sorry. >> Yeah. October. >> November 5th at three for Harold. >> November 5th >> at 3:00. >> Okay. You're available on November 5th. No, >> I'm sure. >> Oh, the fifth. You said the 5th. It's a
Wednesday. >> Wednesday. >> Okay. But you're guys, >> you guys are Don't you like to do Thursdays? >> Yeah, I won't be here for that. I'll be calling away. >> Oh, okay. >> I can talk to them and What time are you looking at? Three. Three. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's fine. I I just know you guys are
Thursday guys. >> Yeah. >> Well, really it really just needs to be you and Harold and we're not we're not going to get any input on them. >> Oh, okay. That's fine. >> Well, we're going to call that a regular meeting and we get other stuff. >> No, I mean if we do all this today, there'd be no sense of doing it again
next week from my standpoint. >> Well, it's two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks from yesterday. Oh, you're not doing next week. You do 5th. Okay. >> You have a regular meeting. It won't take long to do the regular meeting
stuff. >> Okay. Yeah. I'll have to talk to them first though because that's my regular contractor. So, >> well, that's that's why >> I can be I can be here. >> I mean, I can do an agenda up for you guys and I can leave that for him, you know, for David to print, but like you
said, withdrawal. That main meeting is going to be about um him explaining the 10-year study. So, um, it won't be. >> So, you you're suggesting we we we don't need you guys. Yeah. >> You'll be there. >> I can be here. Yeah. Well, >> what what what time do you leave Conway
on that day? >> Not till 5. >> But not until 5. Okay. >> And again, he Harold can't do Thursday, which is more agreeable to you. >> That's fine. But Wednesday, >> all of us will be here. >> Yeah, it's fine. But I mean if there is anything that comes up like I said I can
do a simple agenda for you and I can meet David's anything you have to sign. >> No I think if uh Harold's here >> he has as much knowledge as anybody right >> hopefully more >> and uh if David you can show up if you want. Not
sure. >> Let's we'll see closer to the time. >> Okay. Very good. >> That might be understood. >> What do you think? I mean if Harold's here do we need David or Derek? Well, you say that's that's going to impact what LA4 and the 13th.
>> Yep. That'll impact it if if there's any impact. Yes. Pack at all. >> So then >> will you know what the forms look like on that day? If we agree with this assessment or whatever. If you if you agree that day,
I'll get David to implement it for the as soon as quickly as soon as possible and then we'll get the LA 13 ready so we can have a meeting. I can't do the 12th. >> Yeah, I've been jumping back and forth. It might be good >> 13th. I can do the 13.
>> So you do you do all the LA forms on the 13th and go over them? I I think I have a conflict. I can't do 13. But I can't. I don't. >> Well, I can go to the 20th. That should be all right. >> Does it keep us in our within our
calendar restrictions? >> No, calendar be broken. >> I know they don't. >> You can't you can't do that. The sixth two weeks. >> I don't know. David would have all the numbers done that quick
cuz if he changes the we're going to change the line schedule that's going to change all the numbers in the in the system and it's going to change all the L4 as well. So that will all have to be changed.
Now tell tell me I mean I asked you or we talked before what's he he's look what's he looking at and what what's going to be the result or could be the result of all this. >> Well if he comes back and has a land study and that's what we're doing
>> land study of >> he could change the neighborhoods and he may change the values within the neighborhoods. >> Okay. What how far or how many years David is he looking at? >> 10 >> 10 years. >> Yeah. >> Of of what? just land sales. I don't know what he's looking I've never done
one Fred. I don't know. >> I don't I don't know what a 10ear study I mean sales of course >> I imagine he's going to be >> going out and doing a land residual and taking out some of the properties that sold taking the building values off them and working their way back from land.
>> Yeah. >> As well as the land sales. >> Okay. But I think as you know we haven't changed land values very much in the last in that 10 year >> period probably. >> Yes. But I mean you've made the point a couple of times do you think that the
land values and towners are um skewed not right >> I don't want to say skew >> but so this may come back and tell us okay we're going to change area we're going to change Mike's area. We need to
we need we need it all done so we can change the LA4. >> Okay. >> And I can't send that to do. >> Okay. >> And what I'm saying is if we can get that you can't do the 13th. >> I'm
excitation on the third. >> What? >> That's when they want to do the classification. So next >> December 3rd December 3rd December >> they told already that's what they're looking at. >> Yeah. So yeah Pete sent out the email.
So if we can meet the 20th and we all agree on the 20th on all those four forms, >> yeah, >> they can be sent in that day and hopefully brought back by Monday or Tuesday so we can go ahead with setting the tax
rate. Remember we got Thanksgiving on there. >> Yeah. that and didn't David Manzel when he's done with all these computations present that to us >> which computated
>> did last year >> yeah he came in and presented all the computations for us >> the L3 >> um >> uh you know he just came I I believe so so he determined the tax rate >> all right so they took over the
classification and David Manzel if you once did David explain the L3 once we're ready to do that. I don't know if we come, but we can certainly get them on online for the 20th to go over it with you. >> Well, I I just want to set it up so
we're not surprised and then have to rumble quickly to get this data to >> I was surprised that >> Okay, the classification meeting in December 3rd. I mean there's another meeting I assume they're going
to have in December. >> Yeah, I'm afraid you got to get time for the tax race to go. >> Got to get time g >> if if there's the only thing that's going to complicate that is depending on whether we call the split rate
>> and right >> then we haven't done that in how many years? >> We haven't done it. We haven't done it but that's come up for the last two years. >> This year >> in fact I bumped into the guy today that brought it last. >> Yeah, >> we should we should
>> I would prefer if we can over the third. >> Okay. >> So it gives us time to do stuff. If we have to change it, we can change it. >> Okay. >> But I don't want to run into the Christmas week or something to do a tax. >> No, no. I I'm with you. But but if if if that should happen on the third they go
to site in a split rate you have to what adjust all the files >> done >> when do you have to the the forms with the form the bridge that we will bring over from um 85
>> 85 yes I'm sorry I'm so bloody many I can't remember where I am but that will come over and that will be bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro broken down into residential on the commercial, >> right? >> And the portions for the mixed juice will fall into the proper categories for each one to be calculated.
>> Okay. >> I just may need to make sure and I have contacted Vader to ask them if they can handle that. Okay. Here. >> Yeah. >> So, as soon as I hear that, I will send you an email >> and tell our uh town clerk, I guess,
over there that you can do it better because she didn't think you could. >> Well, I I don't know why they're going to find Oh, no. You have to be able to do it because there are communities with a split tax rate. >> Yeah. >> Ter collector. He's talking a treasurer. >> Treasur
treasurer. >> Okay. So, I just wanted to make >> uh what's her name? Rebecca. >> Jennifer. >> Jennifer. Yeah. Okay. Jennifer. >> Yeah. >> I spoke to her this morning, Fred. She said she's aiming for, I believe, December 22nd to be the mail outs.
>> Right. Okay. >> So, we do have a little bit of >> Right. Okay. Well, she wasn't aware you could do a split ray on mixed use. Well, maybe she's never run into it. >> I don't know that as a treasurer that probably isn't something that would come across our training.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. Let me hear back from Bart first. >> Okay. But can can you just review from me? So, we're still meeting on the Wednesday the 5th at three. >> Yes. That'll be to talk to Harold. >> Very good. And then after that, you want
to meet on the um 3rd of December. >> No, 20th. >> 20th of November. >> 20th. That gives her two days to get out. >> No, no. November. >> November. Okay. Thank you. And what's going to happen that day? >> That'll be the day you decide and sign
off on the LA 4 13 5 3 and 15. >> Is that a 3:00 meeting again? >> Can be and that is the meeting I will arrange. and I will arrange >> and then after that we'll have what we
need to recommend to the >> if you sign off that night that stuff will go to the do the next morning and then they'll just come back to us with questions which are generally very easy to answer. >> Okay. >> And then we'll go forward from there and then once that's done
>> what's the man's name James? >> Yes. You can talk to him in the meantime and ask him to fill in as much of the recamp sheet as he can. >> And then once that's done, it's a simple manner to do the classification documentation and send it to you.
>> As I recall that that that split rate calculation, if adopted could save even a small amount per taxpayer. >> Well, that's that's where you >> that's where you want to see the numbers. >> Yeah, that's where you see you have to see the numbers every year. And this is where Fred's coming from. And I totally
agree with them. I I have no no problems with this at all. This town does not have a big enough tax base to split the tax rate between commercial, industrial, personal and residential. I mean, it's going to be the same as it
was in uh Conway for 10% you save $16 or 16 cents on the tax rate where you added a dollar or something to the tax rate to the commercial. as minutia. >> Minutia >> and and these these corporations
I think uh like you know 20,000 more they're not it's not going to blink an eye I work for a billionaire he would shut it down just like that a year no problem. So, and they came to this town with certain tax advantages, didn't
they? >> Well, if you split the tax rate that much, I don't want to be anywhere near when Yankee Candle or Mors Okay. Well, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Okay. >> So, just to clarify then, we're looking at Wednesday, November 5th. Yes.
>> For Harald to come and present. >> Yes. >> And then on the 20th, we'll have the regular meet regular meeting. Plus, we'll discuss the LA3 at that point. >> Yes. >> Okay. But before you do the the LA forums on the
20th, does this board need to accept what Harold is proposing? >> Yes. >> So, we need that on the third. >> Yes. >> That's what you're doing on the third. >> That's what we're doing. >> Okay. So, you need to put that on the agenda for the third, I guess.
>> Well, that that is Yeah, that is that's your agenda for the third. >> You guys are still doing enough. Here we are. It's not >> You're talking about the fifth, not the fifth. >> The federal. Okay. No. Okay. The fifth, >> right? So that's what we were getting at, right? So without him presenting you
accepting the numbers, >> we don't know where the LA3 is going to fall because numbers will affect. So that gets accepted by the >> those numbers will get in and then by the 20th we'll have the LA3 to present to you. >> Okay. >> Sound good? >> Yes. >> Okay. So then I'm going to ask a
question now. Um, is there anything else you need me for >> today? >> Today? >> Not to my knowledge, but >> one thing that we've been >> still waiting to hear about is explanation of the growth
uh properties or or whatever it is you looked at. >> Okay. I actually did >> and and that's number eight. >> Okay. Sales values. >> No, remember >> number eight on the thing. We want to jump to number eight. >> Yeah, David. So, you want to jump to
number eight, which is that's the agenda for new growth. >> Yeah, >> but that's not it, right? >> No, that's not necessarily three. >> No, I didn't I didn't get that from you. >> Um that's so that that's the only thing that
can Derek handle. Well, actually I actually prefer to do it all at the meeting on the 20th because I would solid numbers as well. >> Understood. >> Growth. Okay. Well, I think you >> we're on the agenda. I don't know if
this is the new growth. >> What is this? This >> that's the LA3 that we were starting to look at. Those are the sales we're looking at for the LA3. >> This is the sales intent. These are the sales from lately.
>> Yeah, but they're not all valid. >> Oh, you mean uh arms length? >> Yes. >> And what what is the time period on these from >> this is a two-year time period? Um >> three years two two
>> where they started 23. >> They started in July 1st 23 and rounded June 30th and 25. You're 25. Okay. >> There's a lot of sales.
>> It is. But I mean around here you get a lot of family sales. You get a lot of people that just got quick. I understand. But that's a lot of sales. >> Okay. And those are just different breakdowns
of the of the sales. Not yet. While he's out there, look for those information and not to jump subjects. But did Judge J's daughter asked to see us? >> Yes. >> We should probably see her. >> We'll talk about that.
>> Okay. >> Which one? She >> uh how it helps. >> It's She filed a rebate with what? ATV. >> Yeah. Working on that. >> You're supposed to be. >> Yeah. I think David's obviously been
able to see it. >> Oh, he has. Oh, wow. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> David David's working with their attorney on it now. Manzel. >> Yeah. >> They're trying to come to a decision. We're jumping on.
>> Yeah. Let's not jump. Save a bunch of guys. >> Talk about that in a minute. Okay. So, so these are the Okay. The sales record. So yeah, that's what the last time David Menzel presented his
scenario and program and how we adjusted the the sale discussed values to come a little closer to the sale price. We match dollar for dollar, but >> so we're running 95%. >> We we're just Okay. So that's what you're going to do with with these? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So you haven't done that? No, we're going to wait for the land study now. >> Okay. You wait for land. Okay. Uh and for the growth form you just gave you that colored one. >> Okay. This is the growth. >> Yeah.
>> Thanks. Okay. Uh 227,000. That's a parcel on long plane roads. River long plate is 300. Okay. Uh, and where does the
uh building permits that were issued come into play? Is that on either one of these? >> These are all building permits. >> Oh, this. >> Well, >> or this. >> Okay. Uh
>> there's quite a few of them we've had to roll over next year. They haven't started yet, >> right? >> Okay. But I I I know this for sure. If if you look at the second one on this list, you got the on Christian Lane, you've got the 84, 8,400 growth. Okay,
that was for closed porch. They also had a building permit for 200,000 to remodel the entire house. >> When do they think that? >> It would have been the same time they did the enclosure
and it was completed last year. Where where is that? >> Was there any Was it on there last year? Was it on the list last year? >> Yeah, it was on the list, but you only had it for new growth. You didn't you didn't look at the total property.
You just looked at new growth and that's what it's on here as the new growth. >> But what I'm saying is was it on the list last year for new growth? >> Yes. >> What was the figure? >> The same as you got here 8,400. I think it was it was somewhere that
part ballpark. It's not I don't have the exact sheet, but >> yeah, we have to you going to pan there? >> Yep. >> I will take a wrong ride and take a look at that one now. >> You know, you you and I think
I don't know if you were in the house or you got in or Steven got in. You looked at growth. You didn't look at anything else. I was here looking to see what the value would have changed to. >> And you didn't change the value and and
I don't know if the if the property card even shows the uh the building permit for 200,000. >> It does. >> Okay. Well, then you then you should change something maybe the uh effective year or something on there to bring that
value up from it. We should probably change the uh rating >> or the rating or something. >> All right, I can do that. That's >> at least at least
>> talk about depreciation. >> If if not if nothing nothing else then the the effective year you know I went through the same thing with my house 2009 I had a major reconstruction. That's the year you put on for my
effective year. 2009. Yeah, I was in the same ballpark as this house. So, you need to change your effective year to represent what was done. Now, maybe it's a 24 or 23 whenever the work was done. It wasn't done last year. You
just put the new growth on. The house was still >> completed after June. I was I was there >> even through and they were still battering away on the inside. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. I'll fix that.
>> So, >> I'll let you know as soon as you get it done. >> Okay. And and the the other one Christian talking of sales and new growth. There were sales, but but they uh
>> is this a remodel on Christian Lane for 248,000. >> Yeah. Did you remember that? >> 219. >> Oh, that's a school. >> Oh, there you go. >> Are you talking about That's a school. >> It's a schoolhouse. I'm like, I remember that.
>> No, >> I remember now. Not you mentioned it. >> Are you talking about 161? Oh, it's No, I I just noticed two 219 Christian Lane. It's the school house. >> 155 and then
>> Well, 161's one of the sales we're considering for this coming year. >> 161. Yes. >> So, that'll be considered for the sales for this coming around. So, we we haven't done anything with the value on that yet for this year. >> Okay. >> Let me see what the 155 is.
>> 155, which was the other one. They sold for almost twice the amount that we have assessed. That's I don't know what the sub sale was. >> That only happened this year. That's in the study for this year as well. >> Okay. >> That's that happened in January of this
year. >> Okay. >> So, those are both in the study. >> Okay. Okay. That's good. Just trying to clear up >> and then I'll fix the other one. >> The other one. Okay. For the new B. Okay. The new >> all those cheeks. that. Okay. Okay. Uh,
so that's the sales. Okay. Okay. Uh, >> oh, excuse me. >> Hi, this is David. What was your thing? >> No, no, I got it. It's There's just so much here.
We decided to use a split tax rate again all the way across like this. >> What is the matter put it goes across? >> I don't know. >> Yes. >> It's all Yeah, you put it on one sheet. >> No, no, no. I'm hearing that's what I thought. >> Goes across.
>> That's what I thought. >> So then this >> that's the codes and that goes into the price and the assessment. Okay. >> Um, while he's there, gentlemen, I know we jumped ahead to all this, but just so we don't forget, >> um, visa maintance. I've just sent that
into her. The badge is done. Um, all I would need is your signatures on the inside, just on the actual application. What is it for? Um, >> be flex rebates. No, I haven't done yet.
That's my denial stamp ready. I did have uh three of them that I had to send. Uh I I actually spoke to the woman. One of them actually was supposed to go to Conway. So I'll just keep that taken with me and two of the others. I have no idea where they go. And then
this is just the maintenance on the uh CI on the mapping. >> Okay. >> All right. They has no problem doing a split tax rate. >> Oh, beautiful. We we were hoping for a
different answer. >> Well, >> we were hoping for they're not going to do it to save our lives. >> No, that's up to us to make that decision. >> So, am I done? >> Um I Yeah, let
do you need a signature? >> Yeah. Second page. >> On the second page, we'll see if they have >> And then this is more >> and then Brad will ask a question. This is more maintenance for me than the assessor's office. Um, I was speaking with Pete because the computer is
constantly going down on me. Plus, we only had one monitor. Um, I looked at the budget and it was pre-approved latitude for $1,000 to be spent towards maintenance for a new computer. And it looks like Stephen obviously never did anything with it. >> New computer. >> Yeah.
>> House for maintenance. >> Print repair computer. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So, I on the inside of this, and I I left one with each of the tub packet. Um, I have a computer that I picked out, uh, the monitor and the HDMI, and it's
well under a,000. I think I got it to like, uh, 850 or so. [Music] >> 69. >> Yeah. The biggest thing is having that second monitor. And I went in the back here, the storage facility here or
whatever. And there's no monitors that would match up to that. U it's because the age of the computer doesn't do the HDMI. >> Sure. >> And for obviously in the assessor's office having to go back and forth on mapping screens to what you're working on. It just delays the work completely.
>> No, I I got >> I fig it's pretty basic, but I still want to, you know, at least give for computer. You hold the you want touchscreen. >> What's that? >> Why do you want touchcreen when that's so beneficial? >> Almost all those computers now, the
newer ones that are the allin- ones are a touchcreen. Like mine at home is a touchcreen, but I I I don't use touchscreen. I just use the mouse. So most of them that's just the way they come. It's like buying a TV now, Fred. They're almost all smart TVs whether you want it or not. Unfortunately, >> because I bought one like three months
ago. I had no choice. I didn't get touchscreen and I didn't get Windows Pro. I got the standard windows because depending on who you're talking to on the pro, it's a little different. >> Yeah, the the touchcreen honestly like I
have it at home and I tried it out once and I was like no I'm using >> it's too sensitive to it especially for what we do over to the >> So, but the main issue I have right now and this is especially the last month or so it's really picked up where I'll be
in the middle of something. I turn my head. I look back and I've got a black screen and the whole thing just shuts down. >> So, >> okay. And what company are you going with here? You have a choice or is it have to go through procurement or what? >> It comes off of the budget. So, I would
just purchase it. >> No, I mean which No, it's we want there no need for quotes or anything like that. >> So, I mean, where you going? Best Buy or or Staples or online Amazon or where you where you buying this from? should see
them right on there. Looks like the HP numbers. >> HP. Okay. HP. >> One's the HP, one's Amazon. So, what what happens with it is explain it to me that the treasur will give me the uh the credit card. >> Yeah. >> I go and purchase it. Then I just turn the receipts in there.
>> Okay. Need a signature? >> No, it's going to be more um I understand the motion where you >> Yeah. on uh item six here. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> I I I motion we agree to this. >> Okay. Second. >> Okay. >> All right. Then I'm going to love you to leave you. >> Love you to leave you. >> I don't think he needs us anymore. >> Just want to get home and see what's
going on. Be good. >> You'd be good, too. I'm always good. >> Yeah. Bye, David. All right. I'll send emails tonight. confirming a danc I left one with your file too. >> So that's okay. >> Yep.
>> But that's I'm just curious that you have a 27 inch n >> is that what you have? >> Yes. It's not that big. >> What's What's bigger than that? What's the max one? >> Uh god. I mean I'd say probably a 32. I would think
>> that's not even that's like 15, isn't it? >> Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah. >> Have you thought >> Well, when they measure these two going at a diagonal with them, >> but have you thought of going bigger? >> No, no, the size is perfect. It's not
having the second computer to use because most of the time, you know, versus like a TV, I'm sitting no more than two feet away from it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. But I know it's going to definitely help to pick up that workflow so it allows me extra time to work on some of the other things that we should do.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. >> And um I know you mentioned earlier the senior tax work off. Um yeah, I just had to take from the last meeting. Um but I do have the contact there that I've been um in contact with and let him know that we would be discussing it and I Chris
Goodrell and I would get back to him at that point. So >> now is is Connelly doing that? Mhm. Yep. I had three people do it last year and um over there I believe they had raised the amount. So they voted to do 1,500 a
person. Um I believe that is my understanding with it is we make the recommendation we have to have the recommendation from come from our subject assessor's office. So if you as a board agree like yes we'd like to you know see what it can do. I let Pete know
and then Pete will go to the select board and let them know that the assessor's board has approved to move forward with a recommendation on the senior tax work. >> Okay. >> He gets there. Okay. And then they establish a senior tax work committee. >> Okay. So you can you can send us what
Conway's program is. >> Well, that's that last one I gave you last time we met that whole breakdown. >> That was the breakdown of how Conway does it. Oh, families. >> Yeah, that uh Excel sheet >> and I can talk to Vera over there too,
my town administrator over there. Uh and get, you know, kind of the verbal breakdown. I I can definitely talk to her again like, okay, you know, where did you go from here to here to here to here, you know? So, my understanding with it and the way it works because I'm having to go through it over there, which is great
because it'll give me the, you know, the time to learn it and understand it. >> Once they get approved, she signs off on it as the town admin, comes back to the assessor's office. >> We put in um an exemption for them or I'm an admin goes to the treasurer.
um the treasurer then would take that 1,500 off, you know, for whichever senior wanted to reduce that and then it just get reduced off their um uh their real estate tax goes out. I don't fully understand all the implicit to it because I know there was a tax on it
because it's not just free money. It's considered that they earn this income and then it comes off of it. So, I'm still trying to figure out all the details to it. >> So, they give like a trooper then >> that's that's what I'm saying. I don't know all the answers on that yet. I just know we had we had a finance meeting
last Wednesday in Conway and we were over a bunch of stuff but that got mentioned and what basically and I I'm still trying to find out not to question that but to verify that how you supposed to do it because it was also their first year. So she was saying we abate it blah blah blah and they take it off. I'm
waiting to hear back from somebody at her card as to what is the exact you know how do we get this done? So once I get that, I'll definitely be happy to port it on to you. >> Right. But who who makes the I understand what you're saying that we
we get involved because it's affects the taxes and and and the rebate abatement amount. But who decides initially on the the applicant for that? It's come to the assessors or is it some? >> No. So my understanding with the um
applicant is the town decides and this is where what I've heard is they do a senior tax work off committee. >> So Pete might have more information on that that I can get if he's gone back and forth. >> Say if you had six people that apply but we've only got three spots. It works as
a lottery. >> Now whether that's like the NBA and they pull out a ping pong wall I don't know but I do know that it's not like an unlimited thing. we decide as a town, okay, how much are we going to take out of the overlay for this? >> Okay, >> and so we're willing to do 4,000 for
four people just by example, then that's what it's set at. Even if that fifth person applies, they would have to go into the lottery for the following year, >> right? Okay. because what what I've read basically the the the uh
application has to has to include income levels and I don't know salary or assets and whatever and I guess somebody needs to verify that information rather than taking the applicant's word for it. >> Oh no. >> No, no, no. It wouldn't be it wouldn't
be a a by word by any chance. >> Okay. But but that's not our responsibility. That's going to be somebody else's deciding whether they're eligible for the write off, not not who is doing it, but eligibility. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I when I spoke with Pete, I did make that very clear that, you know, obviously the assessor's office is
willing to do their part, but this is not something that we're taking on as a responsibility. >> Right. >> I'm going through the same thing in Conway. >> They were trying to get um >> the assessor's board to be the one to assign the house numbers. >> Right. >> Instead of the highway suit. So, I
brought that up at the meeting last night and it took George and Ross two seconds. Motion to deny. Denied. We don't need to take on. We've got by far the most complicated department. I mean, the longer I do this, the more, you know, convoluted I see that assessment really is,
>> right? Great. >> I mean, what would they do? >> Uh, stuff envelopes, um, print, you know, um, pamphlets. I mean I I don't I don't do we ask
>> administrative stuff. It's not >> No, no. It's it's more that they would do something within the office. It's something that they can come up with to figure out. >> And do we have >> I know one of the big times they use them is like uh like the like say a town clerk election or something, you know. >> And do they have u people in town who
are fit this category? If the people in town fit this category want this position to pay off their taxes, >> do people in the town, >> this town, do we have people in this town who would like that opportunity? I guess. >> Oh, yes. So, that's why he brought it to me, right? >> We do have. Okay.
>> The way that it got brought to me from him when I first came on board, they had it over there. So, I asked, you know, do you do a senior task work off here? >> Um, now the town's always kind of avoided that. And then the select board recently had gone to him and asked him about it. Which is when Pete then came to me and said, "Hey, would you mind
presenting this to the assessors?" I said, "I'm fine, you know, presenting it right now." Um, and uh, you know, when they're able to get to having a conversation and, you know, similar information, they can make a decision on it. >> So, someone's approached. There are people in town who would take that
office. Understood. Understood. >> It just didn't pop out of the blue. Yeah. No, that's fine. Okay. Uh, >> but so you want to wait till November on that anyways then Jane's here and then that way too that gives me a month that
hopefully I can reach back out to Claire Lopez or Chris Grow from that. >> And all we're going to do is say yay or nay. That's all we're we're >> we're just making a recommendation that >> we recommend that this program be instituted >> and we would know we would know by then
how much it would cost >> the taxpayers for this program. >> No, we're putting the recommendation forth >> period >> that we're willing to do a senior tax work off is my understanding. But as far as how many people we decide on, >> how much money, >> what's the right more than the people,
right? What's the financial limit? That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. How does that >> feel right? Gotcha. Okay. So far, we're not sure we have >> all I know that I found out from Conway is that it comes out of the overlay. Okay. >> So, when I spoke with Mike Coachella, the accountant in Conway, he said we need to add 5,000 to our overlay so that
it covers that. >> That's I think that important information. My thought when I said that was that that's probably coming from like free cash or something like that and being added to it. Something that's getting moved around. So it doesn't sound like anything that touches the assessor budget.
>> It's not like we're the ones paying for it. >> Right. >> Then why would we? >> That's fine. That's >> Mike. I had the exact same. I had the same question. Why am I Why are we the ones putting forth? >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're down to
>> Did we sign for the um catalis bill? >> Yeah, I did. >> You did. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. Uh items not anticipated. Uh one thing we mentioned briefly was okay. The the the
abatements that we had u you sent a response to to one last week or two weeks ago. Have you heard anything back from that person? the one on on whoever road.
>> Oh. Um from Yeah. No. >> Okay. >> No, I mailed the letter and um that was it. >> Okay. And the other one did >> that was probably Yeah. About two weeks ago I mailed it. >> And the other one that's headed towards ATB is >> 59 North Street. I haven't heard
anything back from David. I know he was going to be getting together with uh >> oh, help me out with the name. Thomas, whoever the attorney is for that. Um, but I haven't heard any results. I have emailed him, but he doesn't have >> So, we're going to get together. So, they've reached out to us and David has reached back.
>> We reached out to them. >> Oh, >> yeah. David reached out to them with a, hey, no, let's Thomas McCree, that's who it was of, you know, do you guys want basically offering, hey, would you like to have a sit down kind of >> We thought they reached to us. So, we reached to them is what happened.
>> Yes. Okay. I mean it could go either. I understand I was pursued from what he says that generally in this they want you always want to try to have a mediation to come to some kind of stand on that meeting. >> That's all I know is that they were getting together. I'm still waiting for his response in that. >> And is the board going to be invited to
that meeting or is it just >> No, this is just David and him. My understanding >> David and their attorney. My understanding from David with the attorney is that the homeowners were willing to deal with David talking with the attorney but not
the town of >> Okay. But who's going to decide the final value if we negotiate? So he's my understanding is if it goes well with them talking he's David Menzel will have to go in and do an eval you know inspection of the house right but
that's all the homeowners are willing to allow in is David Menzel. They do not want the board members um from weekly going in. >> That's fine. >> Well that's I'm just relaying the message that I've heard but beyond anything being done I I'll reach out to him tonight and find out where you know
where it's at or this go along with it. We we've not been in the house, but we've been in the barn. >> Yeah. Well, and I've been in the house, so it's within the last >> So, they're not happy with the board of assessors. >> No, but the way that I looked at it when we said it was whether it's um you know,
so fine, they don't want you guys, they don't want me going, you know, they don't want the assessors going in from here, but if they're willing to let somebody go in who we know and we trust that's going to do a good job inspecting it and we're going to get the right numbers, that's what we're looking for. So, he's going to go in and present back to us his findings.
>> I would assume that, but like I said, I've got I've got to hear more back. I don't want to speak, you know, >> no, no, no, no, >> to what he may or may not say. So, >> we we just want to make sure that the top was neutral. >> Does a homeowner have that option to say who they want for inspection? >> Of course,
>> because it's really the board makes the final decision. >> It's a good question. >> You're working for the board. So we don't mean as a homeowner you got to remember okay as assessors we have no right to be on anybody's property and we have no right to be on anybody's home
>> right >> because they're filing um basically you know the abatement on what was given um >> right >> my understanding is if we can come to an agreement with them
it eliminates but if they don't want us to go in then it would just go I'm guessing to appellet tax, >> right? >> And the appellet tax board is going to demand to get in. >> What's that? >> They'll demand to get in, >> right? But that won't be us. That >> it won't be us. Okay? >> And even if it was an appellent tax
board that came to your house and you saw somebody coming in who for whatever reason you had, no, no, no, no, no. Not that guy. He's not allowed in my house. They're just going to find somebody else to go in. Oh, then to to wrap >> we had the same thing that happened over in Leverit because we did like he said
the Yankee candle with kridges and it was the same thing. They didn't want assessors, anybody coming in. So David Manzel went in and did the inspection. >> You can kind of understand that >> to me with people with >> Yeah. I just take this as this is your >> if you don't want me in your house, I
I'm I it doesn't phase me either way. >> So there except what David Manel saying. That's as far as it is. I don't know. I don't know if he's actually done the inspection yet. I don't know what the results if he did do what they were. Any of that. That's why I said I'll
email him tonight. Fred. >> Yes. >> Let's just a bit. Um >> if you happen to have a house like born in um I fully understand why they only want
who they want in that house because of that house, right? You don't want everybody in the neighborhood coming back and saying, "Did you see that?" I I get that 100%. In Florida, when I was a realtor, we would have two two people minimum to do large open houses just so
we can keep an eye on everybody. You know, just as they came in, you look at a very nice house. Those sellers want to know that they've got some, you know, qualified people roaming in, not the
people who are just the people who head. So, yes, I understand that process. >> Yeah. And like I said, when I did the cyclical, Mike over, I had probably three or four properties where I walked on and how you doing? I'm from the assessor's office. Get off my property and I just do a 180 and I leave.
>> It's not worth having a conversation with them, you know, cuz I don't, you know, whatever your reason is, it is. I don't care. It's either going to be a yes or a no. If it's a no, I'm going to move on to the next project. >> In the end, they know that there's communication, >> right? That's how that's important. >> What I know from right now is I haven't
heard back from David. Hey, >> you know, they don't want to talk anymore. They're going to the board. What I know right now is they are in open talk. So, that's to me that's a plus. >> Okay. Is David looking at an an appraised value appraisal or hiring an appraisal
>> to support his position or is he in a position to do that? >> Fred, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. Anything I answer right now for you is just going to be me giving you what I think. All I know is that they're in communication. I don't know anything of what's been discussed. But that's
what we started to get into last time with this property owner that we were we hired an attorney, talked to an attorney to represent the town and that attorney said, "You need to get an appraisal. The town needs to needs to get an appraisal for the town." Oh, so what do they do?
Like a like a third party vendor or something outside >> because the homeowner had appraisals supporting your case and the attorney said town should get an appraisal your own appraiser to do that. So is is is David Menzel uh
>> he's certified >> is he a certified appraiser? Is he >> have that distinction or qualifications to be that? I bet you someone at RG is a certified >> or somebody in RG certified. >> Oh, yeah. I know. I know he's a real I
don't know if he has the certified appraiser, but I'd be hardressed to see that David doesn't. He's been doing it 25 years. >> I can give an opinion of value to certifying it makes the difference >> because I don't know if that makes a difference if it goes to ATB and
somebody is deciding, well, what's the reason for David's value? and and you could say, "Well, we had this certified appraiser give us this information or >> it's just opinion of value. You're gonna you're going to get two different opinions." >> I saying, but no, it is a good point.
So, what you're saying basically is either way, you're going to get an opinion. However, if that opinion is coming from somebody that can say, "Well, yes, I gave it. I happen to be so and so. I'm a certified appraiser." Yeah. Yeah. I I'll reach out to ask about that >> because they have that they have already done that on their share of it because
that's what they provided in their right value. So >> right is he is do you have the certification David or is there somebody that >> that we should be recommending to the town to hire >> right >> to cover that? Right. I would bet RG's got that capability. And and again, I've
been called a thousand times from a seller saying, "Give me an appraised values for a mortgage. Make it low or make it high or or it's we're going to split the family assets, make it low, make it or this is a friend." >> Yeah. You can put anything in there you want to come up with the numbers you
want. >> I know there's at least one of the other um um assessors, uh Michael Salman, he's one of the VPs with RJ Moon. Um, he's an attorney, but I know he also has the appraising. I see blue shirt. Another one does. >> They must, >> but I'll reach out to
>> Given the line of business you're in, I'd be stunned if we didn't have. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, is there a is there is there a time period when that has to be resolved? >> Will the
I'll ask to give any information. everything. >> Yeah. From this seat, I just want to know we're communicating, >> right? And like I said, the most that I had is when that came in the mail, when I brought it to your guys attention to his, hey, I just got this at the assessor's office. I'm sure this is well above me,
>> so who deals with this? And then when I, you know, send it to a timely basis, communicating timely basis, >> but I'll find that out. >> Yeah, it's great. It's great. >> And is that >> So, we're looking for a time frame, right? Yeah. And is that >> the deadline as to when they would go to
ATB? Is that what you're asking? >> We're just want to know where they're at. >> That's it. Where you at? >> But uh >> that's it. We don't we don't need to get into the intricate details. What I want to know is we've been speaking with them
through some representation in a timely manner and we're trying to address their concerns. Um, and if that means mitigation with David Menzel, then it comes to us and said, "Come up with this number." Then we have to if we agree with that number. Uh,
and he'll let us know if we need to get our attorney or not. >> Sure. And I would assume on that too, Mike, that um you know, if David is the one that indeed is doing the full inspection and he does have the appraiser that he'd be able to, you know, even if it has to be via teams, uh
I'm quite sure that I can set up a meeting with him to, you know, be able to explain to you guys that here's what I came to and here's how I came to your number. >> We're good. We're good, right? I think that covers anything unless you guys have anything else unanticipated.
>> Just I don't >> other question on that on that they're that is that only apply to the one year that they're questioning. >> Who's the one we're talking about? >> Right. >> The one we're talking about. Does it
only apply for the one year and the following year we could increase it to whatever whatever we whatever is is >> Oh yeah yeah I see it only applies to >> yeah you're Fred the resident and I go
over and I inspect your house um you know okay here's my numbers now your real estate tax bill comes out like it did theirs you file an abatement with us >> and then you know we look at it and go No, not happening. Not not with this. And then, you know, you do the whole
appella tax thing like that. We come to a settlement. Now, next year's taxes are coming out. >> Um, I would think that just like it would be with the sale of a house or anything else, if we change the rate based on an appraisal,
>> in order to change that rate again, we have to have a reason. >> We couldn't just go back in and just change the rate. >> Okay? So, it's going to go back up. It's only one year. Right? Like so then if we um you know we finish it like like like we'll wait and see what the numbers are going to be next year, right?
>> And um so once we know that tax rate then we're able to see okay here's now your houses are going to assess that but it has to circle that year. But just because we know like say the one we spoke of that just sent the denial letter to you may have had it drop down in March because we did that. But when
the assessed value goes in it's going to just look at the numbers. It's not going to look at the fact that you got an abatement at some point, right? >> I don't think that in any way, nothing that I do that I've seen in any way does that tie back into the computer because when I do the abatements off of that
abatement sheet, if those numbers are coming out of AP5, but when I do the abatement, I'm going into Vadar and the reports I print then go to the treasurer and then that goes into their software. But nothing reconnects to um to AP5 that
says, "Hey, they did this, this, and this." >> Okay. >> The only way that would happen would be say if it was like a fire damage and then I had to make notes on it that we reduced because of. So I have this case um specifically, which should kind of nail this down over and there was a fire from two years ago that never got
addressed. So I had gone out to the inspection, saw the place, got in touch with David. we went out together and we're doing an abatement for the building only because the land value does not change, right? >> So, he's getting abated for now with it,
but then come next year once you rebuild that house, we're going to go out and inspect and you're going to go back up through the roof. So, it will be the same thing with them. I would I would imagine if you gave that a bait now or whatever they get, >> but I'll definitely reach out to David and have him get in touch with me ASAP.
So you're you know >> I think a lot of it is what if you could what if forever question. >> Yes. That's a good way to put it. Mike what if forever. >> Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'd just be giving you guys you know >> right >> everything would be coming out of here you know right out of the side of my
neck. So I'd rather not give that if we're communicating that's all. >> You mentioned something that draws by when was that fire on state road. Is that motel? >> Oh golly. >> Yeah fire. >> Yeah. Oh, last year cousin.
>> Oh, okay. >> Right across from town. That cousin understand it cost a billion dollars in improvements. >> Was that was this on State Road? >> Yeah, State Road from John Sun. There was a It was a motel motel, >> right? Oh, right across from the hot dog. Yes. Yes. Yes, I've seen that.
>> Okay. So, that was adjusted in your values. Did you take into account the fire? >> Uh, let me talk to David. I I I've seen it driving by. I didn't have it on a new list till inspected or anything. So, let me check with David on. >> Well, but at least half of it is gone.
So, I guess take half the building value off or something. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. I other than driving by. So, I'd have to look it up. Do you know what the address is on that? >> Rainbow Motel, right? >> Well, check it. You know what I mean? Because if it was over a year ago, it could have been something that David did
with Stephen last year. >> I couldn't tell you. Couldn't >> I couldn't tell you that. >> Yeah. Because something like that with a fire. So that's the same thing. It would because I we also had one in Le when I started when you have the fire on the property because the folks in Lever well
the whole thing should be coming down and I says no that's not how it works. Your land did not lose any value. Your land is still the only thing that we're reducing is the fact that you don't actually get the ownership and joy,
>> you know, of living with inside that that house. So we'll reduce that up. >> Okay. Okay. >> But that's it. We don't change the >> that's standard appraisal and generally property business to look at that one to see what you what you did while it's a reduction I guess.
>> Uh what do you say it was across from across town? I'll figure it out from there. So across the town soft was it even active here? I know it's active. >> It was it was rain it was called Rainbow Motel, wasn't it? >> I don't even know if it's active. >> Well, you know where the location is.
Yeah. I know. I've never seen a car. I I don't know that that >> parcel number. You have to look on it. >> Sure. >> I'll just looked down State Road. I'm sure if I go on access, >> you won't miss it. >> Yeah, >> I actually had an interesting one today. I think
>> was trying to figure it out for like two weeks and then I brought him to Pete today before he knew the answer in five minutes. The guy should have gone even two weeks ago. It was uh Stephen Clock. Am I saying that right? K. Okay. I don't know. Um he's up on Haydenville and he was looking to purchase property right
next to him and he was asking whether or not there was an aquifier. Am I saying that right? >> Yeah. >> Aquafer water underneath. >> Yeah. So it was kind of cool. Uh Pete showed me like on access there's a tool where you on on like the uh on the
access screen you go to layers. >> Yeah. >> And then it shows you uh the zoning and you click zoning. >> Yeah. Okay. and you can you you click into two more spots on it, but then when you go to look at the topography, it actually shows you what zoning rate any
areas in. >> So yeah, it was kind of neat. Well, it's definitely helpful looking at sales if you're wondering like, you know, hey, is this a swampy area or whatever it is and it it gives a whole overlay on you buying it from Hannah. >> Uh Slutter
Donald, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have brought up the >> Yeah. And and are you are you involved in the the town that has a considering uh owning ownership on Chestnut Plane Road, >> some parcel that's like 50 acres
>> adjacent to Northampton uh water department >> and and they're offering to give it to the town and because the town needs it for some agreement with the water department, but no chest. Did you say chest plane? Yeah. No,
>> nobody said a word. Uh there's like 50 acres. They've been paying taxes on it. I don't know what the assessed value is. >> 50 acres they won't give away. I can use one of them. >> Trying to think of the property. It's uh
>> Chestnut Land for town. >> It It's next, you know, on on Westbrook Road. >> Yeah. No, that's where that's where our whales are. >> You know, you you know No, the far end is near Hayden Road. You know where where Keith Bar Wells house is. across
the bridge. Keith Bar was on my right side. >> Okay. I I thought you were down south chestnut flight road. You're talking about Haydenville. >> That I don't know if that a road is still a town road, but yeah, Haydenville Road. You turn on to Westbrook Road.
>> Okay. >> You go over over the little bridge. Yes. >> Keith Bard lives on the right. >> Oh, well, I know the little bridge. >> Yeah. Okay. We're right after that. That property parcel on the right goes way back >> way back up the hill. >> Yeah. Went back up the hill and comes
down to Chestnut Plane Road. It's the name of the road on the other side. >> I don't think it's even >> probably not even Yeah, that's not possible. >> Passable road. >> Interesting. >> What it comes down to? Yeah. >> So, what are they looking what is the town looking for the land for? >> Well, they needed some agreement with
the water department, I guess, for exchange for land taking on Hville Road construction. I think. >> Oh, so the town's going to be doing some construction work on Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I I would think Pete would definitely help. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, I'm just curious if that >> Well, when I asked He was It was actually good that I asked him that today because he says anytime you get, you know, the questions like that from anybody on like land like, "Hey, I'm looking at this." He's like, "Just bring them to me and I deal with that." So, he's got to have an idea. >> Okay.
Okay. Anything else items we need? Yeah. >> Nope. I'm good. >> I'm good. My brain is stuffed. >> Okay. And >> this month has been like Thanksgiving for my brain. Every day it goes to bed crying. >> Yeah. Band's uh scheduling obsessment.
>> That's the That's a nice thing to have. >> That's the one that um that I got from Har. >> That's perfect. That's that's just keeps for me. I can look at this go, okay, you know, are we on schedule? Are we off schedule? Are we coming up on a surprise?
Fred probably won't in his head. >> Well, we never talk about never seen that album. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, it is helpful even for me being new because I'm obviously I'm picking up that know sometimes September
becomes October and if you get lucky occasionally November, September, you know, that type of thing. But it is nice just to have that to look at on those days when I catch up on work. and say where should I do next and then I look at that okay >> it stops us >> like one of the things I'm working on in
my in between time right now is making sure that um and Linda and I spent time when we came in Tuesday we were talking about it the chapter land and all the uh uh exemptions coming in so to make sure that okay what you're giving me here does that match up with what we have in
the canvas system and if not let's reach out and find out what the situation is so that when it's time to put those out we're not you know, trying to put out a fire. We've got everything all set up. >> That's exactly what I like. >> I've got a lot of them back, too. >> Nobody likes fires. >> Any other business we need?
>> That is it, gentlemen. >> Talking about Okay. My next meeting is November 5th and then it's November 20th after that. >> So, the November 20th, it's only the uh obviously we can't do um the fourth Wednesday, the fourth Thursday because
of Thanksgiving. Yeah. So, would you like to just even if I'm fine if the meeting goes a little bit longer, whatever, but we'll just incorporate >> David and I presenting everything and finally get on the LA3 >> and then we'll do the regular meeting light. Okay,
>> perfect. Good. Fine. Okay. Motion to second. All those in favor? All right.