I can call uh to order this meeting of the weekly select work at 6 o'clock. Um first order of business is to review and vote on meeting minutes from the previous meetings. >> No comments. >> No comments on those. >> Move to approve the minutes.
>> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> I want a card now. >> Wait a minute. >> We might still have >> We might still have a card. Um, next is this uh item is to review and discuss
vendor and payroll warrants. Were there any comments on those? >> No comment. >> I didn't have anything to say either. Okay. And that does not require a vote. Uh, next is public comment. Um, residents can provide comments up to three minutes per person for items not
on the agenda. >> Hi, Bob 303 Long. I was just wondering if the blinking lights on Long Plane Road on both sides of the school zone are ever going to be shut off beyond
5:00 p.m. >> True. >> They are on seven days a week, 24 hours a day, Saturday and Sunday included. Not just school hours, but all the time. Lights up to the north. My yard, it lights up
to the south. I can't imagine the folks at the south because it's a clear shot. >> Yeah. >> Is that you know I would suggest maybe get a fifth grader from the elementary school fix the computer they they can do it. >> I I I will pass that on to I don't know
if the police or who who's the right person to >> because it should also it should also only be it should only be flashing during school hours >> and it shouldn't be telling you you're going too fast >> at this time of night. And I was thinking the exact same thing as you when I was coming into
>> they have one in South Deerfield also in the in the school zone there and if they have problems with it like if it's malfunctioning they shut it off until they fix it. This has been going since the week before school 24 hours a day 70s. >> So you what I'm hearing is you would advocate that we shut it off until we
fix it. >> Um >> that that at least that's an option. >> It's a school zone is a school zone and and you're supposed to drive 20 miles an hour in a school zone. >> Yeah. You don't need flashing lights to tell you that. >> And we certainly don't need flashing lights in the neighborhood. >> Yeah. >> Very peaceful, quiet, >> and especially 24 hours a day,
>> right? >> No, I I I completely agree and sympathize with you and people figure out the right person to talk to, get that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Anybody else out there have anything they want to get off your
chest? Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Um, the next item is we have an appointment with the library trustees regarding a proposed ED charger at the library. And I understand you might need to call a meeting to order since you have a phone.
>> I'd like to call the meeting of the board of trustees uh to order in 603. >> Okay. Um, and I guess at this point um I guess we just need to have discussion. Maybe you can start off and say what you think and we can have that discussion.
>> Okay. >> Um I think you got a memo that I sent for so I'm not gonna repeat >> repeat all that but um >> and you're an >> I'm Annwood. Sorry. Yes, we've met people. >> Yes. Yes. >> Just wanted
>> just for the record. Um so I do have a number of questions but I guess I want to just say which was obvious from my memo that um in my view putting an easy charging station right next to the build building of the
library is too dangerous. Um in the event and it is unlikely but it is possible that there is a lithium ion explosion battery explosion then is very likely to blow through the windows of the library. In fact, it could impos it
could in fact blow through the walls of the library and we would have a disaster on our hands. Um, the temperatures of those explosions reach 1,000 degrees in a second and could reach 5,000 degrees. Um,
probably shouldn't say this, but even without flames, books actually are combustible at 451 degrees Fahrenheit. That's why Ray Bradbury named his book Fahrenheit Book 51. So, I thought I would just throw that in being from the library. Um, but I do have questions
about insurance and other things, but I guess maybe the first question ought to be why are we not considering putting it on the street, which would be well away from any building? And >> I think other people probably have some better comments than I do.
>> That was our initial thought was to put it up street. um to put it, the street would cost a lot more because you'd have to um cut open the sidewalk to get it over to the other side. You would lose a parking place because putting it on the
other side means basically putting it in a parking place and having access to two cars on either side. Um, and it's just a lot more expense and uh it seemed like we could do it without losing any parking places with a lot
less u like underground cable uh and and that extra expense would be on us. That would not be covered by the grant which would cover everything else that the installation um that they really take care of everything else. So that would
be a really significant extra expense. Well, I think it was described as being $20,000 in the original proposal, >> which is pretty expensive, >> but I I guess one should consider the insurance. Um, >> but we don't have to carry the insurance. They carry the insurance.
>> Insurance on the building. Insurance on the library. >> So, in other words, if something happens to the library, >> so does our insurance go up if we have >> Does our insurance go up? Does the neighbors insurance go up? Um um is does
the insurance is it a replacement cost for the library? In other words, the building and all of the contents of the library that cost >> I I I don't know. Do do we know if our insurance would go up? >> I don't know if the insurance would go
up, but the insurance is covered by the point source. So if the point source was the vehicle that had the the failure, the vehicle with the battery had the failure, the insurance held by the vehicle owner would be the one that would be liable or would be working with
our our our insurance company. If it was determined that it was the charger that was the point source failure, then it would be the owner of the charger, which is the company that's operating the charger. They hold that insurance and again they would work with our insurance company. Yeah, I understand that and I
in concept that's great, but that's not how things really work. I think I think everybody would >> that's not really how things would end up working because everybody would be suing everybody >> and would cost a lot. >> Well, that happens every time there's a car accident. >> Yeah. >> My my insurance company deals with their
insurance company and they're all lawyers, right? So, I but I don't get in the middle with that. >> Yeah, I understand. But it it's more catastrophic than that kind of thing. Could be. That's all. Let other people throw in some thoughts here. Deb >> Deborah Carney from Royal Mountain Road,
also the library trustee. I just had a question as to why the power can't come off the pole that is down below the library. Why you have to be going through the sidewalk and why it can't attach to the power >> because it has to be metered. >> There's no way to do that from that.
>> No, it needs to be coming from the the property address. So, they'd be running it from there down. And so were they were there other alternatives such as in front of the post office? >> Um we thought the library was just a better location, more visible. Uh more
people come there regularly to use it. Uh we thought your library patrons would be would be wanting to use it. U it's also it's not that far from the uh town hall. If we did it at the town hall, there was a couple of things we were uh concerned about. Um, at the library,
it'd be very open, so you'd have a less chance of vandalism. Um, at the town offices or the town hall, the old town hall, um, like if you were putting it on the side, that's a little bit obstructed by the post office. So, it would be
maybe a little higher risk of vandalism. Uh, you could put it like those first two parking places like right up front in front of the town hall. That would be that would be another possibility. But I think the library gets used more often than the town hall. >> I guess I would disagree with that based
on my observation. The library isn't even open that much and it is not. >> The town hall's not open that much either. >> There's a lot of events at the town hall though. >> There's a lot of the library is open several times a week. So, you know, that's a judgment call. >> It is. But the library you can't see
from the road. That's the parking lot up there. >> I can see the road. >> Yeah. you when you drive by that parking lot is very spectra part is but the upper part >> no the upper part you just you have to look there >> but there's no building blocking there's
no trees blocking it you can see that parking lot as you drive by >> if you turn your head >> I'm talking about putting if you put it by the town hall where everybody parks where the post office is there are actually more spaces in in our library
and it is very visible and people are at the in all the time too. So they could use it. >> No, we we did consider the town hall as well. I mean vandalism was the big issue we had with that. Put it there in sight. I
mean, you know, right out front. It's much more prone to vandalism than we we thought about one of the spots behind the post office. >> I see what you're saying. I guess the opposite can be true. When it's hidden and not visible, then it people want to vanize it.
>> Yeah. when it's hidden. Yeah. >> I'm also curious like uh I mean the town hall is also a valuable building and we have the weight historical society in there. So I don't think we can really balance like are we willing to have one building blow up but not the other one.
>> Um >> well I'm not saying don't put it I'm I'm not saying put it next to the town hall. There is this you know you can put it further back on the street which is what we're I'm saying for the library. Yeah, >> I I do want to bring up the fact that
the the risk that we're discussing is related to the battery failing in a city car. Those cars get to park next to the library in the town hall today. You have the threat of explosion today.
The charger is not the thing that actually creates the explosion. The batteries themselves have the failure that they are unsafe. the charger is not the element that creates the problem and those vehicles can park there. We can park them already. Otherwise, we should
probably remove the parking lot next to the library. >> I just want to I think we got to agree to disagree on that point, too, because if the battery has if the car itself, let's say it's had an accident, we don't know who's pulling up to to charge it. If there is a defect in the battery for
whatever reason, it can be triggered by flighting dead. >> Yeah. Oh, no. Totally agreed. So, I'm just saying >> it can be triggered, but the vehicle doesn't have to be >> plugged in to have a failure. The vehicle could be turned on and there could be a defect with the battery. And
so, that could happen today. >> Yes, it can. And I guess by putting chargers there, we're actually encouraging more of these cars that can combust on their own charged. >> The intent right now is to increase the amount of EV vehicles in general.
>> That not weightly intention. That's the That's the intention to >> move away from fossil fuels. >> I'm not against it. I am just concerned that it's so close to building. There is a water issue in Wakeley which is something would be good to talk about. I mean how much water it takes to put out
such a fire if it happens. >> Yeah. >> Toxic the whole toxic environment. >> I mean a car is a lot different than a 250 megawatt hour battery. >> Oh, I understand that. It's it's it's in the it's in the I can't remember how big
is our battery. How many kilowatt hours? >> 80 >> 80 kilowatt hours. And that's a big battery. So it's it's orders of magnitude smaller. I I I think I I feel like we're in a situation where the risk
is being kind of overly magnified because it's because they there's there are big fires. Um but a car fire and a battery storage facility fire are completely >> I wasn't comparing those in in the
battery car fire, which is what I looked at. It still needs to be perhaps watered for 24 hours to cool down. And we're talking about thousands of gallons of water. And that's my only point. >> Okay. I didn't see any of that in the
>> It is in my piece. In fact, I attached the And I'll >> Yeah, why don't you our battery fires are bad, but how common how frequently do they actually occur?
not not particularly have not seen an epidemic of car batteries exploding or electric vehicles would not be getting sold at the rate that they are. So I I I don't I think it's a very low risk. >> It's a low risk but it's unpredictable
and risk assess you know it's my fiduciary duty to protect the library in my view and that's why I'm taking this position that next >> I just think it's a it's a very very low risk. I have a ginger salmon and I'm a
library trustee. One other which has been talked about briefly that I wanted to bring up is we have very few parking spaces that are next to the library. We have people white-haired like me that
are not as healthy and cannot walk very far and do drive there. And if we have two spaces taken up and they get popular because they can do the charging there, we only have one handicapped right now.
And it's I mean I think it's it's using up some of the space that I think is vitally needed for people. You don't have to be elderly if you're in a wheelchair or if you have a cane. We're at the top of a hill. If you park at the
bottom, you have to have help if you have any kind of disability that is not just minor to get up to the library itself. And I and that really concerns me. I mean, we want more people to come to the library and it's great that they
can charge the car when they're there, but I don't want it to be where there's a percentage that cannot go to our library because they can't get to it because they can't park close enough. And I think that's a really valid point. And we're trying to build on all ages
coming to our library. >> And the same with a a a you know a young mother with a baby on her back and a twoyear-old >> and she's got a park way down there. Sure, she can do it. How fre
do you know like how >> well when we have like a children's program >> Yeah. >> the lot that's full and down below it's full and we have special is full on Monday mornings. >> Yeah. >> Because there's so many people go to their programs. >> Right. And the little kids there's this
special little program that has gotten really hot for the mothers to come to. We had 17 mothers. We were out into the middle of the library one day. Well, that's most mothers if they have two kids, maybe two or three will come
together, but they have so much stuff, >> you know, they meet there. >> Yeah. >> So, I I really think it's, you know, that to me is a really important part of it is of the of the parking place. >> Do you think any of them drive electric cars and might appreciate being able to
charge while their children at this event? I don't think many of them have. >> There we go. >> Well, and I think I brought it up during the trustees meeting, but the EV charger spaces are not restricted to only EV. >> I was just going to ask that. Is there any
but yeah, but it it's similar to if somebody >> gets popular, >> right? But it's similar to today where if the lot gets fallen and somebody else comes up that has more of a need, still full, right? Regardless of that of the EV charger being there, the the lot was full because it's popular. The
building's popular, but the the spaces are not restricted to only electric vehicles. >> Yeah. I mean, that's true. >> But I think just like Ann has said, the other other side of it is if they get popular and people say, "Oh, this is
great. I want to live maybe down the street or I can have someone drop me off at 8:00 at night. The library is not open." and they'll drop me off in the morning to get my car. And then I mean to me the police or whoever they see
this car at 1:00 in the morning sitting there. I mean or or people that live next to the library, they're going to call and say there's a car there. I I just happened to get up and it's midnight. There's a car parked right next to the library.
>> We don't disallow parking. >> Well, I know. But why would anybody really be there? Either they want to break in or they >> Well, but but maybe someone just needs to charge their car. There's nothing wrong with charging your car. And I've done the same. I did went on vacation. I
was in a town where the only charger was a level two. >> We parked there at I don't remember what time at night and we came at 8 in the morning and picked it up. We're paying for the charge at that charging station. There's there's absolutely nothing nefarious
>> and suggestions. >> Presumably, if the police come and see it, we're told that there's a car there just sitting there and they go, they'll see the cord attached to the car and that it's charging. It's not nefarious in any way that a car is sitting there.
It's charging. I have to say that I was surprised at the trustees meeting when Pete said that you you didn't contact the neighbors about the idea of this, especially since we've tried very hard um to be good neighbors with our lighting, what time it goes on,
what time it goes off. >> And um I know the neighbor to the north um it's pretty fidgety when stuff happens in that parking lot because her property is so close and her driveway is so close. And I was just kind of surprised that whatever committee designed this um didn't talk to the
neighbors about it. I'm also surprised that whatever committee designed >> it wasn't a committee. It was just us. >> Well, it's funny that putting it citing at the library though. We're here after the whole plan is made
as opposed to part of the plan from the beginning which I think is unfortunate. I think um communication is simple in this age. We can be electronically involved. Um I'm just surprised that um here we are after pretty much the ship
is out well into the water being asked what's your opinion. Um I don't think government should work like that. >> I I'd like to say I'm going to depart a little bit from the viewpoints that I've heard up here. Um, I think this is a
really worthwhile discussion and I very much hear what you say about uh needing to be included particularly as you're the guardians of that building. Um, if it costs $20,000 or $30,000 to cite it
elsewhere, have to give them some thought to how that money would be raised because 20 or $30,000 if you want to talk about risk and potential risk. Granted, you know, maybe the risk of a battery blowing up is 0.05%.
But that would be far more than $20,000 if it did. So if it takes 20 to $30,000 to site it elsewhere, have you given us some thought? >> Are you asking are you saying we should be raising the funds? >> I'm asking if you give it any thought.
Well, my thought to it was the opposite which I started with, which is I think that there would be higher insurance costs and others costs associated putting it up there. >> Um, but that hasn't >> I I don't think that's true at all. >> Well, we don't know if that's true, but
my my question stands if if we'd like to if you'd like it to be cited elsewhere, can it be a group discussion about how that money gets raised? >> Yes. I I would like to raise another point, please. My name is Jim Selman.
I'm a 14 Swamp Road wife. I've got some photographs I'd like from the table and just pass them around. Sure. Uh these are some of the existing conditions that
do show parallel parking right in front with the pole adjacent. These are some of the Yankee candle that show the size of dual charting points. And my thought
is that the information that was originally provided by Pete wasn't very clear on the infrastructure to support the charge points. It looked as if schematically it
was drawn with a couple of metal holes and panels and then panels would be mounted to it. >> And the suggestion was that that would be really on the building. >> That hold on. That's just the service panel. That's not the charger.
>> Yeah. >> I know. Take >> Okay. >> I know what the chargers look like. >> Yeah. Now, the Yankee candle installation has two pictures. There is also a pad mounted. It looks like it's
the transformer, but it's a box about 20 yards away. I think that is probably where the source of the power for the charges is. And it has a meter on it. And I'm not quite sure
why photograph that's in front of the library. That's a pole. There's power there. You can go down. You can jack under the sidewalk. You can put a box on the other side. You know, do what you need to do with power and then through a
dual com conduit come right back underneath the sidewalk. >> So the major issue at the street front is not that there's a pole there or not. It's the fact that the sidewalk directly abuts the parking spaces. The sidewalk has to have a green or there has to be a
grass strip in between so that the charger could be in the grass strip because you can't have the charging cable pass over the sidewalk. >> Put that I said jack under the sidewall. You could easily do that, but you don't put
>> No, but the the charger, the vertical charger, right, where the two ports are coming out of, they need to be able to plug into the car. >> I know that >> that has to be located based on the current, it would have to be located to the east of the sidewalk. Meaning, if
you grab the cable to now plug into your car, you're blocking people from being able to walk on the sidewalk. >> It has to go across the side. the the the vertical the vertical not the underground conduit the actual charging cable from the EV charger to your car it
now is hanging in the air across the sidewalk you can't put it here >> that's exactly what I'm saying >> because this actually >> out in the street >> honestly this was our original idea was to put it right there that part that's in your picture >> we looked into that and I'm not going to
remember all the details right but they said no you can't do that >> I would like to get done or have more discussion with an engineer in that respect because I don't understand that necessarily all the backup that supports >> Yeah.
>> the char and I don't remember >> and you could easily put a curb around there little side work and you could grade that in and make it look a little nicer. >> Yeah. But I understand that like the biggest problem was there's no electrical panel on that pole and that
you would need that that part of the infrastructure costs money. >> I understand they're going to have to do that anyway. You're going to have to have an infrastructure up on the farm. >> Yeah. But putting in a new panel next to an existing one is a is different than putting up setting.
>> There's not an existing panel out there. How are you going >> You have an electrical panel library. I'm sure of it. exact capacity. >> So you have a so you put a second panel in is what the idea >> I understand that but you still have to get more wires.
>> You still have to get the wires from the panel in the building out there or you have to have a conduit from that sub panel out there and you're still going to have to transition to the charging. So, I think one thing just to clarify the what we're doing right now is we're
using um a grant program and it's a specific charger, a level two ultracharger. It's one specific unit that we're able to get through this grant at no cost to us. The the company that would be handling it would absorb
the cost to do the electrical panel at the building because of the the limited cost for them to add the panel at the building outside. But at the building to do it at the street, they estimated just that is 20,000
to put the panel at that service area down at the street. That doesn't take into consideration where >> the electricity for the new panel come from >> that. I'm not electrician. I can't speak to that. All I can speak to is that on our panel is max.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah, I know. That's why we have to add the extra panel. Otherwise, what we can do, like here, our panel is not maxed. We're able to add the charger at this property without adding another service panel, but your panel is maxed out, which is why they would have to add
this other one, which is the image that I showed of the panel on the the wood element or that it could be at the building. >> Oh, I still want to know where is that electricity originating. I >> I don't want to answer that question because I don't know. It's down at the road and they've got a trench to get to
that. Yeah. That's that's how much power does the charger need. >> Okay. >> When it's operating, I think it can Yeah. U It's the power gets paid for not out of your budget, >> right? >> The power is paid for by the person
who's who's taking charge charging. So that's that's not >> But is it the equivalent of another 200 amp panel? Is it a 400 amp panel? I think when it's charging it is at most 30 amps. >> So 30 times.
>> They didn't inspect the panel for us yet. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So I'm still curious how the power from ostensively the second panel is going to get from the library out to the charging station. And I still
>> I guess it's an underground trench >> because there's a distance between the library and where the cars would be. >> I think that's correct. And I think if there's a problem with power, I don't see why the trenching can't be
minimized in that location. If you have to put a a pad mounted apparatus on the grounds, it can be on the other side of the transformer. I mean other side, but I think it could fit in that pad, too. And it can have a meter, too. I don't understand why why
you can't get power from the soul into >> it's not can or can't. It's the cost to that. >> It's the cost and >> I'm just not buying that. Can I see the pictures though? I'm concerned about what you're suggesting because
the concern being those parking spaces are actually Yeah. Those parking spaces as well as where that pole is, that's considered the right of way. So you put anything within that hashed area any fixed and we talked about this as the
potential at the weight in at the portion of the parking lot that's within the right of way therefore town property. You can't put those that infrastructure in the right of way because you're creating an inhibi you're inhibiting the the rightway access should you ever need to widen or
>> we have to do some rejiggering of that roadway like we have to do on heated bill. So you don't put those vertical infrastructure elements within the right away. We have a hole already that likely could be called problematic, but it's there.
>> And it ju just had a chestnut plane is a very wide right of way. >> Yeah. adding a service panel, a charger unit out there out in the rightway close to the travel lane likely is a
I I don't even know what DOT would say if that would be allowable or recommended. But these the chargers that you're showing aren't in a right of way. They're out in a parking lot. We'd have to take into consider there's a far larger concern about
>> placing something there and having a vehicle that a driver >> even if there are ballards >> you if you go at a high rate of speed and you hit that ballard you could still hit that element and create the concern about of an explosion or something.
I I I would say that would be the worst spot to put one is in the rightway at the the travel lane. >> I I think it would be it would be nice if we could get an engineer before we get this thing approved to describe how
they plan what other infrastructure necessary. All that we've done so far is that we've applied to the grant and so we're waiting on Eversource to grant to provide that. But then the engineer will have to put together those plans. All
we're doing right now is trying to get Eversource to agree, yes, we still have a pot of money that we can allocate to lately in order to purchase these chargers. Go ahead. And then we have to go through the whole engineering process and also the submitts to Eversource because they
had the utility provider after they even authorized what work we need to do and add in. So all of that is that's the next phase. The current phase is applying for the the charger. Every source doesn't know where we're putting on the property. That's not their
concern at this point. They're just granting whether they're saying whether or not they will fund the charger at that property. >> Okay. So they have to approve where we put the chargers. >> All the all electrical work has to be by
every source. >> Is there a contact individual with every source that this can be discussed with? You just had to do this. >> You have to go through their ch. Yeah. >> Sure. >> Yeah.
We certainly don't think we could get that information. If we get to the point where they say, "Yes, >> right, >> we've got money for this engineer." >> Then then we put together those plans and look at what options there are.
>> And do we put those plans together as a working group rather than just the select board? So that the trust, >> it's up to the select board. I mean, we love citizen participation. >> A couple of questions. George Owens, Laura Mountain Road. I'm not a library
trusting, >> but who who will own these chargers? >> The the the company, >> the electric vehicle charger company, it's called East Coast Renewables. >> Okay. So, commercial operation, >> correct? Yes. So this will appear on
everyone's app when they're looking for a charger down 911. >> Yeah. >> So this thing is going to be 247 accessible lighting change things like that. Why why hasn't the above been involved in this? Also,
>> this is just a grant application. >> Okay. >> Yeah, at this point it is a grant application and >> it's no change of use either. It's a parking lot. So we're not changing the use of the parking lot. It's still using as a park. You're going from an operation where the library is open a very limited number of hours per week
and >> traffic but vehicles can be parked in the parking lot 24/7 >> and >> correctly >> there's no restriction during the winter >> is there what >> there's no restriction in the winter >> there's has Wayne and highway department
you know chimed in on if there's >> they were the people we talked to first about yeah they were the people we talked to first was the highway department about would that what what would be a good location uh near the library and town hall. They were the first people. So, yeah.
>> And I'm assuming the fire chief >> I don't know if he was specifically >> wasn't specifically engaged. No. >> No. >> Yet. >> Yeah. But I mean it's it's just it's a charging station. >> Yeah. >> It's they're all over the place.
>> But they're not that close to buildings generally. >> No, they they're in buildings. I have one in my home. I have one in my home. They have it in the Northampton parking garage. >> They have them adjacent to buildings all over the place. >> Um I've traveled the world.
>> They do actually have them in a lot of >> I know ago. So anyway, I guess I'm a little surprised because I just really thought our town needs more. We have more people coming to the meeting saying, "Why don't we have chargers in our town?" And this is the first time I've ever had citizens
come in and say, "We don't want no stinking chargers." Okay, that's just that's so I'm a little surprised. I don't think anybody said that. >> Nobody thinks so. That's what I'm hearing. >> Don't want it 20 ft or 12 feet from the building. >> I don't think it'll be right next to the
building. I think it'll be out. It's got to be over near where the cars are. The cars are not going to pull up next to the building. >> Those are very close to the building, >> but I think it's probably more than 12 feet. But there's also there's no evidence that chargers themselves are inherently unsafe. They're not. >> It's not the charger. It's
>> correct. It's the vehicle and the vehicle could be there and you say vehicle could be there anyway. >> And you're saying you're saying the charger is a magnet for unsafe vehicles. And I >> But it does have >> I don't Yeah, I don't agree. Um I saw a
hand over here. >> Clarif a question a clarification question. The 20,000 estimate came from Eversource or somewhere else >> from the electrical engineer for the um
>> yeah the renewable the >> people who would own it. >> Yeah. The people would own it. >> If if some of the possible other locations were cheaper and permissible, we would presumably do that, right? Perhaps there'd be somewhere where it's
$10,000 worth of trenching or something. I just >> Okay. >> Yeah. But the application goes with the location. Yes. >> The address. >> So if we get this grant, it's got to be used at the library. We can't transfer it to the terminal. Right. But we've already checked into that. >> But the the the questions they were
asking is like where like the electrical transfer or whatever is where the power feed breaks off is where that's put right in the lot or by the building or >> so. >> There's only two options. It's either by the building or down at the >> right. So it would be somewhere between
20,000 and zero depending on what happens and that would be something that would be figured out as part of that process >> when they do the design. Yeah. >> And nobody would be opposed to locating it somewhere else if they could afford it. Right. For that.
>> Okay. >> Except as Peter said it's tied to the location. Yes. So at that address, we really have only two choices at the street and at the building. >> Yes. Right. >> So there there isn't a third. >> They were wondering if there was
somewhere else that the power could be pulled off that would cost less than >> Well, we're wondering if it's true at the street, I think, is what you're saying. >> Well, the thing that Pete said is that unequivocally it can't be put in the right way. So that fixes anything.
>> Are you saying that mixes anything on the street? If it if the proposal is to do it in the hatched Yeah. If it's on the opposite side of the sidewalk, then you're not within the the the proximity of the travel lane >> and then that creates >> but then we have the issue of crossing
and then we have to move the sidewalk. >> I just um want to say two things. Number one, um obviously the board of trustees, they're called trustees because they're entrusted with this property and we take that as you can see very seriously. I am
not pleased that you think we're here to say no, we don't want it. We're here to understand the impact it might have on the building that we're entrusted to protect. >> That is our job and that is what we are elected by the citizens of Wake to do.
And um I didn't hear anybody say that we didn't want it. I heard questions being asked and I am always interested when my government asks my opinion and then is angry that my opinion doesn't jive precisely with theirs and I felt that
just a few seconds ago Joyce that >> well I ask for input and then you're you're not happy with the input that you get. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to to >> um communicate anger there. I was trying to summarize
what I'm seeing and hearing and my happiness has nothing to do with it. >> Well, we just want to make sure we're that we do what we're entitled to and that's to protect the library. >> Yeah. And and as we are responding to citizens who want public charging stations available in our town, they
have people coming from out like someone came to a meeting and sat in these same chairs and said there's no place in town for my son, my daughter, my sister, my brother to charge their electric vehicle while they're visiting me.
Why don't we have any charging stations in town? So we're we are hearing from people kind of the opposite. we need to find them and sight them, then this is a response to to them. Then I understand what you're saying about protecting the building, but I
I do think that danger is already there. And uh if we go out with tape measure and measure how far away is the parking lot from the building, we may be pleasantly surprised to find it's actually a decent distance away from the building.
>> Not that it's really not. It's not really >> Well, you just mentioned 12 feet. I think it's I think it's about 20. >> It's about 20. >> It's about 20 ft away. You saying? >> Yeah. >> Okay. It's 20 ft away from the building. >> That's not far enough. I mean, the distances are 50.
If there were fire, I know you're saying they won't be, but >> No, I'm not saying there won't be. >> No, I'm not saying there won't be. It's just the risk is very low that they're >> very low and the risk is already there. >> Around is considered the zone that even the first responder should should not go
into. 50 and that's the whole area that's you know that's a lot so you know it's a risk I think insurance companies have looked at this and that is why I cited to some of them in my memo because
obviously they're covering risks but they have to be competitive enough to actually sell insurance so they're not you know that's about the right thing to look at and I think um it's too close sorry that's
Can I ask you are going to send in your >> proposal your >> it's consent >> consent. So, we're saying
you've already put you have to the call for proposals comes out and if you don't get in within a week, you don't get >> So, have they called? I mean, do you know when they called for proposals? It's just out of the blue. You could get it in two days or two months. I mean, do
you have a time frame when you >> You mean when they when they a call for? >> No. When it's called for, like when do is there a deadline for you to say? >> Yeah. >> Here we are at Weightley and we do want to do this. Have they given you a
deadline date? >> So, we already applied because they went and opened it up this summer. The the vehicle charging company knew that that was going to be coming. So they came and approached us and said, "Hey, you know, we knew that you wanted level three.
They're not available. We know that Eversource is about to do level two ultrachargers. Do you want to apply?" We had the meeting. We did the discussion. As soon as Eversource said, "Okay, we're now looking for proposals." We went and worked with that that company and put in
our proposal for this property and the library property. They have already been submitted. They take 120 days to review these submitts. >> And let's say once the money is allocated, anybody else that was had applied, if they even if they got
reviewed or didn't get reviewed, they don't get the money because Eversource only has so much money that they approve. >> Okay. So you have two sites but not really a drawn plan of exactly how they would be on those sites. Absolutely. So that is the next step. Correct.
So if two are put at the library, it is still open for us to try to find the best way and the least cost of where we can put it. >> That's what I said that we only applied
for the the address. The address is all that's applied. Eversource was not provided any plans or anything like that. That's not what they're looking for. They're trying to find out what properties we want to do, how many chargers. We only want to do one charger at each property. How many vehicles
that's going to service? It's two vehicles per charger, but that's all we applied for. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But, you know, we we went and had several meet there's an earlier trunch of trying to get level three chargers >> and so we had a meeting and another meeting and then
>> the rayon money. So, don't even bother applying. So, on these things where there's a limited amount of money, you've got to get your grant application in early say yes. gets it. How long do you have and who does the planning and
drawing of putting where they're going to go? >> There's no timeline. You just start moving on it. But that they're not like they don't say, "Okay, you need to have your plans ready within 30 days." That doesn't >> So, who does the plans? >> The company that we're doing the the the chargers, correct? Because they're the
ones that going to do the install. They they do all the project. >> If I'm reading them, other board members, we'd love to be involved in the discussion. >> Yeah. I have no reason to think you couldn't or shouldn't be but we have had lots of discussions at select board meetings about electric charging
stations >> and we weren't informed it's >> well it's a public meeting >> no that the library was chosen yeah no it has been a discussion at many select board meetings and the library was mentioned but we didn't go and specifically send you the meeting
minutes about that now there but they are they are open public meetings >> Mr. Another they said two properties once the >> this are we good foring the board meeting let us know if you get it
>> I would I'll accept a motion to adjourn the board of trustes meeting the motion >> is there a second I'm assuming there's no discussion those in favor opposed We're >> Thank you for coming. Thank you very
much. >> What democracies all discussion different points of view everybody. >> All right. >> All right. So we have a few more items here under next item is under all
business. uh to discuss potential capital project requests for administration for the FY27 budget. >> I'm just keeping this on the agenda should the board ever come up with any projects. >> No pressure, guys.
>> We almost never do. >> That's okay. >> I don't want to take away the opportunity with you, so I'm just gonna leave it there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, we could if we do find out because the capital projects are due >> well, I can take them by through the end
of the year. So, yeah. >> Um, if we do find out >> that it's >> before the end of the year and I could get a rough I need an estimate, but if I can get a rough estimate from that, then yeah, we could put that in. >> Okay.
>> All right. Uh, next item. um uh new business boards and committees to review, discuss, and vote to appoint Katherine Ross the cultural counsel. And may I say, excellent idea. I'm so glad Katie is willing to stand up for that. >> Oh, yes. So,
>> so I'm willing to move without even any discussion, but I would maybe you would might want any discussion. >> I think Katie Ross would be great. >> I concur. >> All right. I will move then that we appoint Katherine Ross to the cultural
council. Second. All those in favor? >> I. >> I. Great. Uh on personnel, we have a new community development administrative tool point. I think is she get to see her face?
>> She is. >> Oh, there we go. Caroline, if you're at your computer, feel free to unmute and turn on your camera if you'd like. Well, I mean, she could hear you if
she's at her computer, but >> So, I prompted it, but yeah, >> it could be that she stepped away because she for the riveting discussion. >> Um, no, I not um if I mean, you all did the interviewing.
I'm not gonna change my mind because I see her and she doesn't look like the picture I have >> in my >> So you so you are confident >> you are confident. I am >> happy to go with that.
>> The franchise in the interviewing. >> Yeah. >> And then because that's the committee that really needs their support the most. >> Right. And we're quite happy. Caroline again. >> All right.
>> Hi Caroline. Can you hear us? >> You're still muted if >> if you want. >> And I can't actually >> Yes, I can hear you. Sorry about that. >> Oh, all right. Well, now that I've seen your face, that's >> um hi. nice to meet you or e meet you as
the case may be. >> Um and you were talking about December 15th was a starting date. >> Yep. >> And I think we can certainly live with that. >> Yeah. >> Um and we're talking about 28 hours a week at least to start now while you're And you're working on a masters. Is that right?
>> Yes. I'm working on a master's of public policy and a masters of public health right now at UMass Ammerst. >> At UMass Ammerst. Oh, okay. So right over here in the hood. >> Yes. Exactly. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, that's all I was going to ask about.
>> I I move that through the board of appointed development administrator starting step three within grade six of the classification and compensation plan at 28 hours per week with a start date of December 15, 2025. >> I second.
>> All right. All those in favor? >> I I >> All right. Congratulations. >> Congratulations and welcome. Thank you. I'll be in touch tomorrow. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Bye. >> Bye. Bye.
All right. Very good. Great. Um and then to review, discuss and vote to appoint a new part-time police officer. Um this is one where I was involved in the EU. So, I would just uh note this um this officer is
currently um with the Sunderland Police Department and he is not he is full-time there or he's part time. >> He's part time. >> He's part time. He's part-time officer in the Sunderland Police Department. Um he seems like a sweetie pie. He's very much a community policer. >> Yes.
>> Um and uh >> very even manner, >> very even tempered, very u >> nice. >> Yeah. So I I think he'd be a good match and so does Jim. So and I guess so does he. >> Yeah. >> So >> no it was great. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's already got all his
trainings. So that >> so he can really he can hit the ground running. He's got all that. So >> and I really appreciated that he is very much into community policing and just trying bread and heavy-handed trying to assist. Yeah. understand, >> right?
>> Not not >> good. >> Try to get the tickets. Try to educate why you don't want to do X, Y, or Z. >> Yeah, >> that's good. >> Well, I move that the board appoint Vincent Fab Fabby Fab.
>> We didn't say we could uh >> as a part-time police police officer starting at step four within grade seven of the classification and compensation plan. Second. All >> those in favor? I >> I >> I All right. Great. Uh then the last
item on the new business and discuss a vote on implementing winter parking regulations effective immediately until April 15th, 2026. That's basically a winter parking ban along the roads. Um you can't park along
the roads in the winter. >> Okie dokie. >> Where's the motion? will say and it does include municipal parking areas >> between midnight and 7 a.m. >> Except for the smites.
>> So include the library. >> It does. >> So it would be restricted at the library lot and town office lot. We would have to amend this in the future once we through EV. At present, we always say during these
during the snow month or during the winter months, >> yeah, >> no parking midnight to 7 a.m. >> Okay. >> Uh I will move that we uh implement winter parking regulations effective immediately until April 15th, 2026. >> So those in favor?
>> I I All right. So remains on updates. Um I interchange I don't have that much. We're having a um a boo meeting tomorrow though. So I may have more later, but we're still I mean this is still the
same issues one called Ambers Road kind of takes up a lot of our agendas. >> Yeah. Oh and oh the cable franchise we're zooming along there. Um we're hoping to wrap that up before the end of this year to have an agreement to sign.
The only thing I have is that I've got a meeting next I've instigated a meeting next week with the treasurer accountant and Lynn Sibi to go through our chart of accounts and figure
out what everything is >> what they things can be a lot are self-explanatory >> but some of the accounts are sort of >> some are obscure and their their roots are obscure. But Lane is coming in.
>> They are institutional knowledge, >> right? >> But we, you know, a new treasure collector, relatively new treasure collector, a new accountant. I thought I'd meet in so that everyone was on board and knows what those charts of accounts that we get. >> Yeah.
>> Every month, four pages of accounts, what they all are, what maybe we can find some coins in the >> Yeah. Couch cushions to reply to things >> with those attempts. >> Okay, great. Cool.
Um, I have not much except that the folks from the giving garden committee have uh sort of begun moving forward on on putting together
let me gather my words all together in one place sequentially. Yeah. >> Uh Melanie Saraski uh member of the giving garden committee uh has suggested that in light of the SNAP freeze freezing of the SNAP money
um which is theoretically unfrozen now uh that we look at something in the town to start doing what the giving garden had done during the summer to give people food. Um, so Doug Caldwell suggested that we meet with him this
weekend because he and his gang are putting together their annual Thanksgiving boxes of vegetables that they distribute to families. So we met this morning to talk about what we might want to do and what the framework might look to Doug on Sunday they're doing
because he wants to assist us and maybe give us a a template to use. >> Oh, that's good. someone with experience trying to do the job you're going to do. Yeah. Giving you the experience. >> The benefit of that experience. >> Precisely. >> That sounds excellent. >> Appreciate that.
>> I got one other thing which isn't technically a lead. Uh and that but I want to give a shout out and thank you to the town of Deerfield highway department. Hello. >> Yeah. Uh, I contacted one of the members
of the Deerfield Select Board and said, "Can you please fix the potholes on Pine Street at the intersection of Route 116?" There are two potholes where you turn off of 116 onto Pine Street, which are not in Wakeley, but mostly affect
people, residents on Long Plane Road. So the Deerfield Highway Department was informed and took care of that within a week and those potholes have been filled. >> All right. >> Awesome. >> Excellent. All right. Moving over to
you, Peter updates. >> Uh just a few. Um I provided the Senate Dual Committee did provide an update to their previous um update, but we don't have a final report yet. But once we do have that, we'll they'll bring it to the select board.
>> Okay. >> Um last Monday, um all departments and boards were provided their budget guidance memo and their budget sheets. Um so they should be working on putting together their FY27 budget requests, which are going to be due by the end of
this calendar year, so December 31st. Um I was able to get that started a couple weeks or a few weeks earlier. Last year I was behind, so this time I made charge. I had a schedule. So um I have received a few already but um they are
doing budgets. Um the Florence roofing completed the repairs to the library rotunda roof at the end of October and then Alli Flooring has also completed the install of the new carpet in the community room.
Um and then finally via safety grant. I had mentioned we received a number of grants, but the one um that was outstanding was we put in a grant request to fund a transport trailer to bring materials to emergency sites. That
one Maya hadn't responded on. They did let us know this past Friday that um they were awarding us that money for that. >> Garrett already had everything in line, so the police chief already picked it up and we now have the trailer.
>> Why? All right. Where is it being stored? >> Um >> at the police or pilot? >> One of those two. >> I have a feeling it's going to be at police. >> Yeah. >> But yeah. Um >> likely there isn't a small little
trailer that the police department was using that now they won't need. So you probably are going to get a request in an upcoming meeting to surplus that so that I can then offer it up to other departments or boards. I have a feeling possibly wreck or human cemetery may
have a need for it, but um first I'll have to bring that to you before we can transfer >> water might use it for >> or water. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But essentially police highway have decided they don't need it. So >> that's good. That's good. >> Cool. >> All right. Can I ask one question? Got a
one of these, but what's the I know we've gotten the transformer done so that it's ready to put the solar up. Yes. >> Do we have a timeline for when they're going to be back to >> install those? >> Yeah. Well, we ran into a little bit of a hiccup because of that generator. Um,
so there was a issue where wires got crossed between the solar company and Mark who was handling our generator install about whose responsibility it was to bring the power connection into the building.
We're working that out now. Okay. up because it all is based on who's paying for it, right? >> Um once the the lines are brought out and the panel is added to the outside because what we need is essentially a junction box to bring the power from the generator as well as from the solar
panels into the building or into the service lines. >> Um so there's a junction box that has to be put on the building. >> Um which that is Mark's project. Um >> Okay. But once that those electrical lines are put in and the junction box is
up, we will then do a site meeting and we'll have that schedule. Originally, we were hoping to do the install in November, but because we are now a little behind, we likely won't put anybody in harm's way having people work on a metal roof during the winter months. So, it may be that we push the
install to late February, March, but I will have a schedule as soon as we at that point. >> Okay. All right. Okay. >> Definitely going online by the end of June. That is the hardest to do that because
Yeah, exactly. We've already extended it a couple times. So, >> um but yeah. >> Okay. All right. Yeah, it's been a long time. That was um Davis. What was her first name? >> Hannah Davis.
got an appropriate from way back when like pre- pandemic, >> you know. Yeah. So, it's been a while. All right. Any items not anticipated? >> No. >> No. >> Uhuh. All right. >> Our schedule. >> Oh, sorry. >> Next meeting.
>> Our next meeting is November 19th. >> Next week. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Which is next week. Right. >> Um >> the then the one everyone is waiting for is the tax classification hearing on Wednesday, December 30th. >> So be there or be square is what I say.
>> And the board of assessors, the accountant and the town clerk are all getting their paperwork into the state so that we can formally do that taxification. >> Okay. >> Everything is moving. >> All right. Move to second. All those in
favor? All right. >> All right. All right.