okay I like to bring the meeting to order finance committee meeting um select board will be here in a little bit um they have another meeting at this time um we have uh this is April 23rd meeting um and the agenda for tonight is we will be um presented with um the for the recreation the assessors water department water department transfer review of school budgets that may only be Frontier um because with Elementary won't be voted on until Thursday okay we take a peek at the capital budget and we'll also discuss staff salary adjustments as uh as we move forward um okay so let's let's you good okay um let's start we have has everybody read the minutes y I make a motion we accept the minutes of the last meeting you want to discuss it the minutes mention us discussing the cola 3% Cola increase not mention us approving voted on a motion that we voted on I I will that's absolutely true other than that I'll second the motion as amended okay as amended um okay all those in favor I I I BR yes yes yes I yes I I and that's good um the minutes from the previous meeting pass with the as brought forth by J Kirkendall um okay let's talk a little bit about our Recreation Commission and representing the commission is the chair of the commission well Wayne is the uh chairman oh Wayne is the Y and then I'm the rec director okay y um there may be individuals who are not familiar with could you introduce yourself yeah my name's Chris Williams um Rec director here in weightly live in weighty over on River Road um gym teacher up in cway at coach City baseball in Frontier um it's a local guy local sports okay is there anyone here you don't know um no I think iast recognize everybody terrific okay so um Chris you um the Recreation Commission is asking the request is for $220,500 the increas is a 6.22% or $1,200 once just take us through um where the increases are and uh the why behind them um so first one that I'm seeing is with water um we I mean I'm seeing that we used zero I know that's incorrect we spent I believe $100 last week um Wayne recommended that adjustment based on um potentially using more water at our Fields um we're getting getting hoses and sprayers and uh that dirt turns into a dust bowl um so that was his recommendation for the water um Building Maintenance um we doubl that for this year our game plan is um we are trying to create an additional storage space inside that Barn um something with insulation um so that we can keep basketballs and stuff and there soccer balls in the offseason we won't have to worry about mice um or anything like that so that was our uh our purpose for that increase um also I'm not sure where this money will come from but the I don't even want to like say it out loud but those new bathrooms already have bird damage from the back so they no from the back so they on the I guess would be the east side of the Pavilion hecked through into those new BS wow which is pretty wild yeah I at that ke already it's not isolated new bathrooms it's all over the building yeah and birds yeah they're they're peing into the building hooders I get keep a low cross solution how to fix that he do that then will that come out of the recreation budget I don't know okay I um but yeah so the the additional storage space in the barn is our justification for that but that's just the bird thing with something else to be prepared for um Park that budget has been going uh quite well for us we've been able to put a ton of money in hurle which has been awesome um that place is looking pretty sharp these days um so our philosophy was that was um you know continue to grow at that place and extra resources makes it possible um we're looking to add infield mix um um looking to do infield Ms um potentially um do some like fix some parts of the fence um looking for a new groomer for our sand Pro so like someone is breaking up the fields um all that all that different kinds of stuff um and that's something we just want to keep doing annually just that we can keep those facilities um as Elite as possible because that is a beautiful piece of property down there so we're just trying to it really is to make that bigger and better um you know I think that's I mean that's a nice Pride spot a weight Lea for sure become become another Jewel for the town yep absolutely and I don't think comparatively we uh I think we stand alone in quality yeah oh yeah absolutely that soil is in the world as far as I'm concerned um yeah that was our just justification for that just continuing to um invest in that place over and over again um the fields for the fire station we were able to accomplish um the goal that we had had set last year to make that place playable um so we figured that cutting our budget in half for that was appropriate um so that was why we made that adjustment because we utilized our resources last year to get that that place uh a little bit better prepared um and then you go sports equipment replacement um that's something just constantly having the best stuff um our basketball coaches our soccer coaches our baseball coaches there's no issue like do we have enough basketballs it's no every single person gets a basketball every single person gets a soccer ball baseball teams are having two buckets baseballs a piece um you know just this week we ended up buying new sets of catchers gear just so that they would be safer for the rookies kits um so just constantly doing th those kinds of updates um you know they're different every year certainly um like this year we did not have to invest money in practice baseballs which was huge um because we did such a big purchase last year and then next year we will most likely have to you know add more baseballs to the bunch um we also we run the summer baseball program now um so with that um you know buying uh like warmup t-shirts for them which is the same thing we do with that with the regular wck um regular season wck up is you know you buy the Jersey te's each uh each time that we do those instead of regular uniforms just because tracking those down is an absolute Nightmare and the kids get the like you know they're wearing weightly basketball shirts they're wearing weightly baseball shirts to school out in town so gives them something to be excited about you know um so yeah that was justification there and then I believe the last one was personnel and we just anticipated whatever that little bit is that goes up each year um just kind of having the resources for that and there and that's that's pretty much that's anyone have any questions Chris or comments regard two things one is the the water is up 200 is that a function of it uh early now being metered rather than it not having been before perhaps yeah so that was yeah that one was you know obviously it had been zero before that and I know that we put meters in on Town building okay understood so that's probably reason that and the other question I have is can you tell us about your Capital request for B yes um so so far um for that we're remaining positive um you know looking forward to the official Town vote um and hopefully getting those you know positive results from that um we have uh the budget for that which was approved by the CPA um or the CPC excuse me and um so we're we're just hoping we're in a good spot for that um we have it lined up with who we're going to go through we have a game plan for getting the the turf for the for the surface for it we found out that CPA applications would not cover that um and Judy might have discovered that so in order to get the turf our um we've worked alongside um the Cal Ripken league and they have resources that they want to donate to us so that they can um add their hands into that and helping out because obviously you know those guys are going to be used a lot um so that's that's our name plan with be when you get that approved you can just drop a note to the town Administrative Assistant just so that we know roughly the amount of the donation sure okay good to know questions thoughts um Chris can you speak to your revolving fund yes uh revolving funds in a good spot right now um we are we have a little hiccup with uh me and Amy Shader working on that with um like the amount of money that the math that I had and that Rec Des provided with our registrations for the spring but there's something in that that is uh messing that up temporarily so that money is not in our revolving funds yet but we will have an additional I think it's 4885 um from baseball registration that'll be going into that I think right now it's at about 7 I want to say um I was talking with Dara earlier in the week um and yeah then we'll get that in there and and we'll be sitting sitting in a good spot we like to keep that you know right around 10 we have that and and that goes right back to the kids yes absolutely um so good thing that we did uh with revolving funds this year was um you know getting getting those Jersey TS that's a lot we use that we use revolving funds for um officials for soccer games basketball games baseball games Baseball umpires these days it's like 75 bucks to get patched umpire um so that starts to pile up um we utilize high school kids uh for the majority just like local athletes from weightly um five field bab both both kids who grew up playing weightly re Sports um there are officials um for that and uh yeah just stuff that is outside of our budget um that's just been a great resource for us to rely on but yes everything is is going back into those kids um um you good I don't have any more questions just have a comment and that you know as well as I do the rec league is duck tailed with what happens at the elementary school and we as a group don't say yes or no to any to any budget coming forth we only recommend to the towns at town meeting whether or not they should vote for a budget okay and over and above U access to sports is the uh fact that um sportsmanship is key that teaches those kids something and the thing we need to avoid at all cost is stacking the teams y y irregardless of of the sport because I know what you run into have certain fathers that or mothers y that want to coach the team their sons and daughters have friends that they want on their team um and you got a tough job to try to um get around around that so it's just something that doesn't go unheard right yep and um well like um last year like we had that we had that issue with a grade three4 basketball and it was like right back to what we're doing um yeah we had a whole another try out something like uh I do like to rely on on the coaches and I I haven't had like a coaches conflict yet last year was kind of the closest one um so we've been good with that and that's something I tell those parents whether they want to hear it or not is convenient rides do not count friendships do not count favorite coaches do not count um the only guarantee is Siblings would be together which obviously is quite reason but yeah that is that's a huge goal for us yeah you don't want one team being cop dog and some team else feels like a be squat thing you absolutely abely and we hear uh in that particular incident that you speak about from last year was quite well known and you handled it very well you hand hand it quickly and you put the fire on so thank you yes sir no no other questions no done thanks for coming in all right awesome thanks for having you guys There's No gambling no we have to uh have to talk to the state get some money lines [Music] going all right thank you everyone thank you g okay so that oh I heard the a going to the um General government 10 General government 10 Board of assessors and we have found there yes we have it everybody have it y okay wonderful Board of assessors we have Fred alosi who's here to uh one of our assessors and to speak to the budget and to um General State of uh assessment of our properties okay FR I think I know everybody know here sure sure yeah I've been chair of the board of assessors you know six seven years been Assessor in ch for about 15 years so I've been in all of your houses probably once coming up coming up soon here was kind of usual for Board of assessors because uh our long time uh assessor finally decided to retire after 31 years of service C Herbert uh retired on March 27 of this year I say after 31 years of service so we right now are without an assessor we're in the process of hiring a uh consultant to fill in for the rest of this fiscal year and also for next fiscal year there was an announcement out or an add out I guess you call it for people interested in in being a assistant assessor for the town a part time once a 16 hours uh un benefited position we advertised this in March sometime uh early March we've interviewed probably six or seven people for that position most of them local some from wle I can tell you one from Hatfield some ammer Co rain Greenfield people have shown an interest in the position uh but none of them had any assessing experience or really experience in real estate or praising real estate ra properties which is a major function of theor so while we were in the middle of the interviews I guess we the last one maybe two weeks ago we're also reaching out to other other Consultants that we've had in the past to see if there's interested in helping us or if they knew of anybody that was interested in the position some of them said okay we'll help you part time but it won't be a complete job will partially I'll have to do something else there was one group that was was interested uh in in helping the town and we had some Communications with them they they seem to be a very reliable company and the more we talked to them they seem to be a good fit for the town because well the company is out of lster mass uh they have contracts with I think 60 other towns to provide assessing services to the town so they they they do the same thing like what Cynthia was doing here they would provide that that service so we were kind of in the last month or two going back and forth with them deciding well is that something we want to pursue or do we read advertise and hope to get somebody here and uh instead of that okay at the same time we were we were advertising in this position Cynthia Cynthia told us in January middle of January she was leaving end of March we're didn't advertise position till March for whatever reason at the same time uh Conway was looking for an assistor just like we were and so many years experience uh Ashfield was and there was one other General worington maybe was also looking so uh I guess I I encouraged through Jessica that we need to advertise the position and that's when we did it in uh in March the other towns them towns well Conway is kind of going the same way we are leaning towards a Consul the same Consul that we were Le leaning towards uh what this consultant would do would would actually be in our office here probably eight hour eight hours a week either one day one day a week or two half days uh he would also be shared with Conway the other time that he's not here with our office and that time he's not in our office when would be told there would be a phone number access by phone and email to this consultant that would respond with short questions people had is that is that is that role in the budget yes okay yes that that consultant is the the the amount that we were CED was 40,000 and you can see for 25 for assistant assessor Contract Services 40,000 for uh for a fiscal year okay we also have a a interm contract for two months this year that was prated for that that we have money in our budget cover this year two months next year that that would go up to the 40,000 what what their qu is for uh the other Personnel expenses well assessors uh St in that that's the same so when we have three three assessors a fulltime longevity was for S here because she was here for so long so go away the other requests here are pretty similar to last C year budget other than software fees see the problem we we have not a problem but concern that the software that we're using Pat software is getting Obsolete and they're recommending we update that uh we've been holding off since there been holding off for two or three years not doing an update it's finally come down to to uh that company no longer provides service to to update or manage it and another company is taken over doing that software so that's why you're going to see software fees of $9,200 kind of most of that's a one time one time shap yeah year we were paying 2700 for that so the 6500 is an increase for the for the approved software and that will be install on our computer here and in assessor's office and the consultant will have remote access to that from from their location M and that data will also be stored on the cloud so they can get the data and the files remotely as well as here in the office so that's what the 6500 going to do uh okay a mapping fee some of the fees oh when when they part of the Consultants work is to do property valuations we were paying $99,000 a year the pass to do that that's included in your contract their contract price with 40,000 okay they they were doing that also the utilities work that we were doing doesn't show on here but there's two utilities that we have to hire our Consultants to do for roughly $2,000 that's included in $40,000 well that brings that down right and the other thing that's in here is as we shown is is the uh ATV the tax tax boort we have to go to to Tax Court to argue about an assessment which we did a few years ago they cost several thousand dollars uh because we had a hire and a bracer and a special consultant to do that they're offering to do that for us if we need that right now it's quite There's Something Brewing i' say one of the proper owners is not satisfied in treading so we don't know where that's going to end up but they would represent us at tax board if it does here so that's that's what the the differences are you can see it is an increase in a budget of $122,000 we''ve been pretty level all all these years you can see from 21 to 24 right budget pretty level this year where we're doing major changes in the software and also have this consultant sure on on board to to do the same thing that Cynthia did and there would be full-time well I would say full-time but but most of the time access to somebody in assessor's office Cynthia was here only two days a week this person will be one day plus the other four supposedly remot have access to to their expertise of remot well that's good that's good for the time right okay thank you Fred um uh so we just approved the contract $40,000 cont yeah and a two month to finish out this fiscal year Y which will get paid for have a reserve fund will yeah there's money in the assessors account now between salary and expense we'll just you'll do a transfer in May or June uh and just to I would Fred said the contract calls for someone being here two half days or one full day a week from the two half days in one full day or okay but they'll also be in Conway one day so anything you really of a crisis nature happened they're in Conway and also as Fred mentioned have a pH support which I think is pretty good yeah is it one person or organization it's one person dedicated to us in Conway the same person but they're going to also have the resources of the entire firm okay behind them so they'll be learning as well and they have those people to Mentor them and ask any questions you the one person they're hiring they told us was supposedly now I don't know they sign a contract it lives in ammer so so it's close by leer where they commute a lot so it's in am and they would they would train that person in every aspect of what assessors need to do otherwise if we hired somebody like we were interviewing many of them didn't have any experience so we' have to train Cynthia would have to train that person when she was here now when she left there was nobody avail really to train that person so that's up to them right and the that they have other surrounding towns that they use there labrary fulltime uh New Salem wend uh even Greenfield does part of theirs and in Orange so if you look at I looked at the W site not the orang site the other day to talk to the sessor to see what they thought of the company got the company right away so they were there already providing services to that town so there are a bunch of towns in Franklin County that they are good servicing it's not all of the eastern part of the state B go ahead go um as far as the software goes in the past the select board is authoriz using some of the covid relief money for software for other departments for the treasure collector and right the accountant and I can't prove anything but I would suggest the select board that we approv the 6500 for the base software it's not the not the annual maintenance but the same way we paid for other software upgrades or those through through those funds so maybe it'll take that 6,500 off budget guarantee anything but I'm just saying we've we've done that in the past other departments with the same kind of expenditure we're writing back here just thought you'd like know very nice very nice any other questions got usess when's the next rebound two year I think two years from now okay Mark on five year cycle so okay very good um thank you I know you've been through a lot with uh the retirement and all of that and uh things look good yeah all the interviews and stuff we' been down since January I guess into January all started finally coming coming to the end great okay FR thank you very much um and we're good okay we're at 633 which means we are s minutes ahead of schedule thanks you gotta thank you from Brenda good deal s more minutes to talk no no no talk about property no n we're good thank you very much that that that'll be a sidebar that be the meeting after the meeting okay thank you very very much uh we will move on to discuss water department and see we have pretty much the whole departmental okay um okay we're going out to the Enterprise fund well um Tab 10 and we have um okay so as we look at the budget of the um the Enterprise fund um I'm looking at didn't tell me if I'm wrong Wayne but um we are at a total of in the budget overview $257,200 [Music] uh with um a change from 24 to 25 of minus 2.19% translating into $5 5,749 6 West correct nice okay um once you tell us want you run through um well when I when you look at the budget there aren't really any areas that there are significant increases because total is a negative but why don't you run through and tell us what your concerns are and um you still have a request okay right the biggest increase would be in the salaries me or the superintendent going to 40 hours a week yeah the I mean really the only other increase is electricity and the cost of testing we got to do more testing went up a little bit the engineering a lot of that has to do with that dropped a lot cuz we're in the hopefully the ending stages of applying for our water management act permit there's only 10 about $10,000 left in that contract the building issues mergers dropped a lot because the booster station everything's done much more [Music] okay 50 is 59 account is sure help like every everybody else it's up um so when I see superintendent SL operator is that you Wayne both of them yeah okay yeah Billy he's still he's the back up that's B okay so what's the reason for they increase again I went I went from 30 hours to 40 hour why a lot of it's work load I guess call it a lot of people lot more people we have to the biggest thing we have to do is a letting [Music] copper survey and very extensive you got just about they want to know how many lead service lines what year the houses were built what everybody this is everybody on the system what size pipes going into the house what type of P what type of Plumbing in the house [Music] uh you know that sounds like a onetime thing yes so it's got to be done for uh August no September you you know you get what I'm saying yeah so you're it's going to take you 40 hours a week to get this done but in a year you're not going back to 30 hours no the thing is the plus the the D two years ago when we had our sanitary survey was pushing they wanted actually wanted one guy at 40 hours and one at 20 hours criticize of the system but I think you know I mean after talking with them they'll be fine with one at 40 and Billy staying on at 4 how does the s well I was going to ask another question the increase from 54,000 86,000 that's 32,000 yeah for an increase from 30 hours to 40 so one3 extra hours and which would that number is deceiving it was the 2024 number was off of 25 then we had to move it we moved it up high to 30 now we went to 40 okay so so you went from 30 hours to 40 hours well the 10 the number you see for the the 2024 appropriated was for 25 hours and we moved we had to move that to 30 an extra five so it's actually the the number the 54 224 the extra for the additional salaries covered the increase then plus a little bit out of the budget to get it to 30 then the 30 to 40 brings it up to what it is now 86 and what is that based on what's is it is it comparatively is it an hourly rate is it yeah it's 4409 I think it's an OD 4409 no 40 409 um so was this as a result of the Personnel committee did they have no this was between the water Commissioners this was between the Water Commission well the water commissioner decided that to keep way on not looking for another job you have to give them an increase in pay to equal other departments and trying to get a license you you know to control the water it's a big deal we went through that back four or five years ago when way came on y you don't pay employee the property he going to move out then we'll be in J is that $40 salary is that hour that comparable to communities that they pay their head water person per hour yes okay okay yeah you one other question how are your revenues meeting matching your expectations of revenues and following up on that how is your current cash flow based on those revenues I I only with the new rates that's the spring projections and the fall have the same no okay so um the last hike the last water um increase that you sent out the bills went out and when um yeah so have you to receive that Revenue back in yeah okay and how's that gone good I yeah yeah all right and um so what is that number what not so what is the what is the cost of water within the Enterprise fund to the town residents who make use of it the cost of water yes I B how you y right it's it's a tiered right now okay depending on how much you go in zero to 25,000 25,000 to 50,000 and 50,000 above then there's two might had two rates one for residential and a and then one for commercial industrial and then what's the other then there's a bunch of what would you call them bees I mean it's no different than one any other town like the back test in the back blowers if you got sprinkler systems you pay for it uh everybody gets a service charge depending on the size of your meter if I just follow sure I want to get back to the cash flow based on your projections to the revenue are you going to meet your budget expectations and are you going to be able to pay all your bills out of your revenues or yes the one deceiving thing with that is if you look at the projected for 2024 no you won't reach that mainly that's because I put that I don't think I was supposed to but then I thought I was supposed to two years ago three years ago that whole thing about putting $200,000 in the budget for building the center booster station anding it out yeah I still did that so I put an extra there was $100,000 left on it to pay so I put that in the budget for revenue and then out of the budget to spend but most of the money didn't come in in fiscal 24 it came in in 23 you right so was there it's there yeah and it's the loans paid off it's just not going to show on 24 as income okay I can do yeah one more uh I don't see anything in the budget for putting away any money towards Capital future Capital expenses you'll get that more okay we've talking about this for a while realiz that whole rate structure was set up based on Revenue projected looking at previous year's consumption previous years's consumption so that if you get similar consumption new R structure there'll be Revenue enough to pay all the bills and put something aside what's actually going to come in you don't know because you projecting and okay I just didn't see anything on this budget for you know putting into putting aside for Capital trying to get way to do that we talking just this after also talking also the CH of change as an operating cash Reserve you put in a little another line budget for some amount of money in case you unexpected expenses that all was all included in the ra figure it out our objective there is keep that R structure stable and not have to do looking favor a lot of towns around here with some jumping their race Millions dollars needing to do it it just seems there's several things not in the budget that probably should be which might mean that the rates might have to go up we don't want well I know you don't want it but to cut to pay for the things that you're going to need down the road it they have to be paid for out out of the Enterprise fund that's probably the chief concern that we have around this table is that you are self sustaining and that's that's really the bottom line um if you are and continue to be I think everything's well I forgot to write down there's a 50 9% increase in operator salary right so what again was the increase of hours from what to what 30 to 40 by looking at the paper it's actually 25 to 40 it's not just D it's also the commission we need to have a fulltime oper yeah I don't think you get an argument I I you know I mean it's um it's the new reality got to try to hang out to people they've been having a hard time I was we were doing something when I was working in this industry 20 years ago the Water Association we had a p for a day most various members people you know Opera superintend State of New Hampshire and the concern was Workforce in because all the not my age of the time now they're all retired want business like get a phone call they don't want because part of the problem want make bucks they also want to do it on computer always do it on a computer he quick hey Wayne look early H par looks terrific ear early hoc looks terrific you guys have done a great job there but I you know is there any have you thought about tapping into the Connecticut River for water yeah no you got buy a pump you know it's not sounds easy but uh maybe if Agri yeah all right just thought I you can't just throw a hose in there and start to sucking it out you got to be permitted yeah a nightmare in itself bureaucracy that I do with my line of work water depart trying to get permits it's amazing having someone to tell M Wayne available 247 yeah that we get presidents get response from instantly without having in Northampton you can't you can't find your water shut off p300 F and you call way he comes over doesn't so having someone local for that is incredible we're very I think we just found another fee you have a DI you really problem all righty any other what's what's this thing list of uh new meter I assume new meters full bloom municipal buildings wasn't supposed to get this or what well you guys got it I got it an email at home and uh everybody has it everybody got one oh that's just these are yeah these are meters that we AB it was issues I don't know what this is Rel yeah this was stuff eved and then resent you're not you're not looking for to get paid for those for that water what happened if ukan cemetery on okay right over there it's right right there so what this is is you have their originaler Rue budget you have a revenue sheet collected today the commitment that went out April 3rd about 95,000 these are meters or Billings that didn't go out or or not du Revenue that won't be realized okay all right this is why the elementary school the elementary schools on here that's not being realized that's affecting overall you know what your collection rate is Wayne like you just set up the commitment what perent you you don't have 90 it's usually pretty good you don't have to shut people off or no you can't oh you can't I mean you have to there's a lot of stuff have to I don't know they still do it but they used to I mean you get maybe a full page of delinquent ones but they'd be more like if their bill was $160 they write you a check for $100 okay you I mean there there wasn't very big on just a lot of small tiny they're just proving a point or they're trying to um yes right Wayne on on our agenda we have to discuss the water department transfer um you what is that okay so come to find out never do we when they moved up my hours course now the salary line item wasn't going to be enough which we stop the budget was the budget as long as you didn't go over it I guess with our Enterprise fund budget the two home are separate salary and they're either operating so what this is all about is we want to move money from the operating budget to the salary one oh to cover the rest of the year you guys so what that is that you can make copies of is it's just showing that there's enough money in our operating budget to move M from it's what we need for the rest of the year to to get to 40 hours no and pay all everything and cover the operation okay so when does 40 hours start for you it already did did the water SE maybe sorry September maybe well the do Department of Revenue requires salary line items to be thundered for 52 weeks and it requires the accountant to certifi that if there's not a salary line on that you do week the wage shall not be paid but that didn't happen so in order for us to continue to pay wne we need to because the division of w analysis people must be paid with seven days of the work performed unless an agreement exists to the contrary which means we pay our folks by weekly so that's okay so in order for the accountant to um run the deficit which is currently at $6,800 in the Sal line item she asked that Wayne request of this committee that is authorized by La May and June of each fiscal year to approve anal transfers to verbally at this meeting asent to that you will approve the transfer from expense okay to salary so she has an insurance and certified that there will be money to make that account whole and Wayne can continue to be paid through 30 and due to a lot of effort on Wayne and Amy and darra and Lynn's part Wayne as he's represented has enough money through June 30th but there's not a lot of Weagle room so he has to be really really careful between now and then but you need to vote tonight that in May or June whenever you do those along with the select board you will affirmatively approve that and we have to notify the accountant tomorrow because it's already in deficit okay Brenda did you hear that yes I did sorry it takes me a second yes I heard that good good um okay so we are going to vote on so what is is there number or we're just voting to that you will approve a transfer of funds to make the Sal lightting hole in the water line item as through June 30 repeat that or you make a motion I make a motion that we do what she said ditto how's that are there any questions about that motion do we understand that that it's a transfer f much we don't know how much and we're not going we won't know until sometime June look on the right hand side yeah I think it's 25,000 yeah under the paper total payroll 2,458 23 yeah for all okay okay so so make that motion with that number with that motion I make a mo we're not doing it right now we that right I make a motion that by July 1st is that okay yes I make a motion that by July 1st the finance committee will transfer $2,458 23 from the operating operating budget to the salary budget of the water department expense expense for expenses incurred yes would anyone like to second second okay we're going to go um Man by man person by person uh to U vote on this Paul Newan hi Dan hi Jim I Jim I Paul I I Brenda I unanimous vote um so that those monies can be transferred and you can tell the accountant tomorrow morning that uh Wayne still on board all good things come to fruition all right all right do we have anything else with the water department okay all right we're at um Wayne thank you very much George everybody thanks for coming in and uh good discussion and uh turn the tap on bye guys thank you all right thank you okay we are can can we sort of just job we're going to put School budgets on last last at this point and why is Mr bwell here that's what I'm I think it's a salary adjustment yes or no stop just to say hi just to say hi what he does for fun no he's got he can go home okay well why don't we get into the capital a little bit and um have a discussion on that our representative to the capital Dan and uh I know I had that here some okay we're going to do play the paper Shuffle got call this is a very small it is small we should have got those three time magnifiers let's Okay Okay um then we'll um we'll just start at the top and work our way down Dan are you ready to speak to some of this yeah okay um's here and Julie's here I'm sure they've had some interaction with uh these things so F first of all um an estimated cost of $54,000 would be the inst installation of electrical sub panels at the elementary school okay and um is that um it's actually tied with the next one I was going to say okay we have Min splits JD and okay and Jim perkal okay met at the elementary school with Bill hild Billy hildr and with the custodian yep and got a pretty extensive tour of the operation of the school from the mechanical standpoint okay and one of the things that was brought to our attention is the first thing they have to do is upgrade the electrical system the current electrical system will not support these new Mini Splits so the first thing they're going to do is spend roughly the 54,000 to upgrade the power source power source go ahead with the next items right okay the next two it yep so all told we're looking to to uh fund $172,000 not not really not really okay thank the manyi splits are in two phases one phase would be this year phase two would be next year okay and what does that mean for the school phase one and two so I got a lot of concerns about this issue with Bill Buri and no one needs big buildings 20 splits it's not he he but not and the push for many expenses because the state reimbursement money for an electric by Future but okay you don't have to you can have heat pumps without Min splitting system have without having to put the electrical system in and I asked for a comparison to know what it would cost to take the existing system that we already have with duct work that's already there and putting heat pump air conditioning on that taking advantage of the potential PB to run them make it more efficient let you put in ultravet white filters let you put in hea filters in the line already tied into the system and you didn't get anywhere with that and to have all of these Mini Splits put theide the building it's a Band-Aid effect right now life um they need to tie into the building management system because there be a situation where the heat is on the room and the min's making air conditioning in the same room unless they're talking to each other which runs the expensive per unit I together according to H um the duct work in that building has never been clean since it was built in 1991 yeah I had asked our St administrator about us arpa funds for that atfield did that this year but those ducks have never been CED since 1991 that bu wow and that needs to get done that's why kids are sick the air quality is horrible on there that's part of it I think we would need a request from the school or or and Hatfield and Hatfield the facilities director of the DPW director head facilities he used it under the co money to get that's fine but we just need a request from theol a request from the schol right and we're not going to self initiate right so that I would want to see is there can we use the existing stuff that we have using pump technology to make this work before we go at throwing all this money and putting many splits in that they're going to have new Refrigeration as of next year because the refrigerant use now is obviously yeah an equipment that the life cycle is 8 10 12 years and then we've got upgraded again so I just want a little more longterm analysis before make a decision but right now it's just a quick Roman split of solution but is that really the right s shake and I don't have that answer so who is the who would be the individual responsible for putting this here Bill Bill H yeah okay and the school committee or I assume in consultation with the school committee and the principal rest but it's it's coming the schools and Bill elth responsible for maintenance and uh physical plant in for meing with him his budget is so tight he doesn't have money to yeah no I know he doesn't have money which is why he puts through to the various yeah various towns that he's responsible for if we can use the existing dwor system we have we can add filtration we can add sanitation can't do that with basements so many more benefits to upgrading the system that we have this has been on the agenda for a couple of years now right and we've never been satisfied that it's the right way to go right and we're still not $170,000 it's not the right way to go it'd be very hard for us to tell them taxpayers of weightly to lay out $172,000 to a um to a building uh where the maintenance hasn't even been kept up to par forever I I mean it was it literally was an eye opener going in there and some of the things we saw just I open y yep I would suggest that that this be tabled um until we can have a face to face with the decision makers um who are behind this um who are advocating for this and uh we we need to tease this a little bit um as to where um where the issues really are and whether or not is it whether or not this is let's push this thing through you know I think we need to know what the alternatives are yeah we need someone to say okay this is what we could do what we have and then there's mlits and let's have a discussion between the two but right now we're only begin Min splits are being shoved down our throats and we don't know what the other alter one of the reasons the Min splits are being pushed is that Urus has a rebate program which is expiring and there's like 40% rebate but the long of the equipment if the equipment's only good for well I I I'm just saying that that but that's why the Min put are getting pushed because that's where he he did tell us that there were rebates involved but he did not say that they were going to be coming to an end so well that's why it's being pushed because they don't know when the rebate to heat pumps are awesome yeah if we put heat pumps in where would the fresh air come from the heat pump is only I mean I mean Min split they would be hanging units all over the side of the building so every one of them's going have its own power to run it they're all independent units they would be taking an outside there no they don't no that's that's right no they're just conditioning the other in room yeah like of my house that's problem but if we have if we upgrade the system that we have we can bring in fresh air we can filter it we can sanitize and sterilize the air that's there and redistribute it through nice CLE d right do the heat pumps provide air just well he PS to just anything but the system we have right now doesn't yeah just so that's that's important this this certainly has not been um there isn't there isn't enough information in here for us to recommend to the people W that they drop $172,000 into the school that's right so do you want to make a recommendation that we table these three yes I make a motion we table the first three articles on the capital budget um we all got different stage sheets okay uh the first one is the 54,000 for the electrical sub panels the second one is 63,000 for six Mini Splits and the third one is 55,000 for five mini splits we're just going to table it for now okay can can we get possibly move this to the next meeting and see if we can get um Bill to come in and um explain to us his side of this and um he may be able to explain it better yeah so need to utilize heat pump technology but it's rather either a Min split or right yeah I think part of the problem we have doing this quickly is that we may need some sort of outside U study add evaluation of this because I've met with Bill as well in both school and this is his proposal for a solution so that's that's what we would hear from him right he was very open to talking yeah he's very I'm not nothing wrong here just if he comes he's going to be this is his solution to the problem this is his solution to the problem okay so if we could try to make that happen for the next meeting that would be uh that' be good okay moving down the list for the elementary school next we have a uh fling replacement 3K restrooms absolutely ABK absolutely if you saw what was going on in there without a doubt okay Uncle okay uh then we have exterior door replacement three of them same 135 I think any argument there um replacing air packs for the fire department at $222,000 is looking for Grant he's applied for a grant for this whether he gets it or not yeah who knows but um I don't think he's really looking to get this funded 200% 100% okay what is this status I think I I mentioned before the the roof of the elementary school because it's its days are numbered and I think I mentioned to you Fred you said it was on a capital plan it's on a long-term capital planing to Mr HTH we have like a year or two and that's it oh boy because the nails coming through the roof the holes are too big he's already spending say5 to $110,000 a year on roof repairs they can't find any bigger I think we don't have an estimate for it we don't I don't think we can deal with it this year how old is it no not even because this is the second the second group they all had to be repaced and it's and talking about oh put a standing s roof on it like why are we not sh of the price yeah do you that's I think we need to make a priority of addressing that but okay we can't I don't think we not today but we right it's not but that's on maybe if I asked him next week to come if we could see a list of capital items not just directly 25 about what he's projecting out for the next 3 to five years go yeah y absolutely okay getting back to the air packs yeah we're it's there we think that he hopes for a grant he may or may not get it at some point people like to come back to us and say okay I didn't get a grant now it's getting Ur does he want to put a piece of it in here you know like not that I I haven't heard that reest personally I think we're all sensitive to the safety aspect yeah of this and uh I have a question Keith remember the fire department do you have to do all the air packs at once or is it something you could do over two years or something is there rules or anything about that I'm not sure that's it yeah you definitely you want don't want miss this match equipment that's one problem and we'll be going from from one operating pressure to a different operating pressure okay ours are substandard and so we'll okay that it would be in our best interest to have them all do once here he didn't ask for a partial P don't knowum but there is going back to your question there uh there is in the capital planning long range the uh turnout gear will be coming up in couple of years yeah replacement of that so that would be a good idea to put some monies in for to be wed for not equipment but for uh the firefighters equip and put some money in it now because that one's going to be a big one too sure very much like how is kind of mandated by yeah maybe we put some money to Capital stabilization ear market right for ra rather than setting up a new account right exactly so typically with the scoia depending on how many you need to replace let's say if you needed eight it would be a two-year program for the first year for the second year you couldn't do two two two because of exactly the pressure but you know I don't know how many he said he needed in total but then you just have two systems to maintain as you're rotating out the old ones and bringing the new but you be in complete phases so you know when to begin and be end yeah I think that's a reasonable approach but I don't know how many well but if the grant comes in well right and again he did not when he was here he didn't Express an urgency you right right but we did see the difference between there's no doubt that the new equipment is PR and we will go the fact that that you know we interact with other departments and the kind of equipment they have and that uh he did not come in and say my firefighters will be at risk because of this right right right okay so that being said do we want [Music] to table this no I think that you know I mean what do you think I think we should approve it I do too the whole thing lock backs yeah yeah the exact reason that ke just said and if if he gets a grant so be it if some other funding source comes along but I think it's something you got to do okay so um right here and now um are there any questions regarding this $22,000 request for the fire department um to replace outdated air packs I I think I just one comment based on what chish said maybe you want to do it in two do half this year and a half next that's contrary to yeah and I'm not sure pricing wise how that affects okay I don't know without speaking the JP on that but the number that I can just quickly run to my head is is probably a total of 14 or 15 between three trucks okay each of the first two out the door definitely six a piece on alls 12 okay um we're g put all excuse could you say that again maybe just has a che okay we table next meting yeah we can table this next meeting so we we can we can ask the chief but generally speaking it sounds like we're all in agreement that that we need to to put this kind of equipment in their hands I will check with him but I'm pretty sure he's gone out pricing from up and it's less than 200,000 I think he came in with about 185 or something like that so I'll check when we get the right number okay well if we could get him back on the agenda um even for the next meeting it would be short but um I think think that would be I think that would be helpful and uh obviously it is a chunk of money and we do wait to the end to uh approve all budgets and then um so that would work okay um new pickup truck Ford F-150 Highway Department $85,000 to replace the current 2013 Ford F-150 truck is truck has 81,82 miles with excessive rust and wear on the body of the truck um okay this started out as an EV right um and so it's now a hybrid or not if the pleasure of the Town wants to go from the from a PO electric to a hybrid reduce the cost for sure um 6566 would be adequate to compared to what did I 85 85 85 was for the EV El yeah yeah so so you're saying the lifetime cost of the electric vehicle is higher than the hybrid yeah when we worked out the the specifics based especially based on the additional $20,000 cost over the hybrid it certainly doesn't pay for it I honestly think that's what you're going to find why there's a surplus of of electrics out there right now even today's news that was Dr they don't have things are going the other way now what is the of charging this vehicle on top of this 85 would that be a charger at well first of all we don't the town doesn't have any M there is no charging station okay that would be a whole another scenario that when this all started years ago with with Anna and then syby trying to do stuff with with Granton stuff it's nothing was coming to fruition but U we better better study that we're getting reported back back sometime in the next couple of weeks there'll be a presentation to the select board and hearing on guess my question of ource we buy an $85,000 truck how much more so you can plug it in at your house or at the at the highway department places again there there's there are some communities that I've already dealt with like department heads and how they when the if the vehicles charge a personal residence that theyve got go through and and reimburse for that electricity but um irregardless there's no there is no charging station like my residence there's no charging station at the at the town for anywhere in the town so um and also based on the simple fact of the additional $20,000 we won't see a a net return in that investment if we made it it's not going to happen M the hybrid is definitely a better way right what's a what's ballpark what's a charging station cost depends on what level you want if you want to go with a like a first of all level three you need three pace which is which is rap really rapid if you want a level two I'm going to say four to four five 6,000 maybe and then and a direct level tree is is hundreds or thousand there may be some funding that's available through the state yeah go the highd my hope it's difficult to put an enti cost to the charging station having a regular gas power stop option no okay because we are uh Green community we are required to do one of one of the two really receiving money police chief have well the police chief was in police cruisers are examp police cruisers are examp and any vehicle presently over I think it's 8600 gbw it depends on the classification but because this vehicle Falls within classification okay we have we're obl to do our diligence because we're receiving money from the state and was scen Community okay so the green communities there was some discussion at some point that if you wanted to buy a vehicle that had that was a certain percentage better than your current vehicles in terms of gas that green Comm communities would be behind that is that not I don't have an answer that okay you might be right don't know that be okay i' have to go to see if maybe Sy or get answer that okay all right I don't really have much interaction with the green Community act that's what this so Fred you said something about um we were looking into charging stations and next Tuesday we're get do presentation um consultant who has prepared a a study on vehicle electrication Flee electrification for the town we'll hear what they have to say next Tuesday yeah okay okay good so I mean from that standpoint you're already having one more meeting what's what's the date on that Fred next Tuesday yeah there's no point Y okay so this will be tabled again okay okay how much more is a hybrid over gas do you know is a lot more about comforable it's I don't think it was more than 2000 oh it wasn't much I I can't speak for the other members of the select board I based on past yeah considerations current select would likely frown upon getting a taxpayer I just got ask a question don't think guarantee anything what's that positive we can't do it anyway so an F250 is cheaper than F-150 and it meets the gbw where you don't have to e it oh again then your your fuel economy is Julie I can't speak Rejoice but my my Feld is we would not be interested in okay okay um all right um okay let's move forward here uh project named Yellow Barn repairs cemeteries 7250 repair wooden sill on the Yellow Barn located adjacent to the center Cemetery the bar is currently used for storage by the town Department seal the exterior surface of the brick this that's the next no that's the next okay so um did I miss one this is priority a you got WR priority this is priority B so that was priority a we just want to look at priority B um should there be an opportunity to move some of these expenses up until the a category but who knows um so though yellow Bond repairs that's um you know anything does anybody have any knowledge of these can certainly explain where it's at and that is that the the bottom 8 by8 sill is you know is rotted years of water splash up rotted and especially if you look at that North Side you can see the the the pitch of the I mean the the edge of the roof where it's rotted it's sagging and it's already it's very noticeable for the naked eye as to it's sagging and the longer you wait the more expensive it [Music] gets Jess do you have question no sorry okay anyone else want to make a comment on this is Barn of historical value yeah I mean it's I consider it historic value I mean uh it was donated to the town by the W family or the Howard weight's daughter at the time and it is incorporated with the addition to the cemetery and in the deed it says that the town may use the barn until the time comes where it's less needed for the cem that is to be removed so it has a it is a deep conditions in the deed that will at some point in time which based on where the the usage of the cemetery is it's still 30 to 50 years away so it's not tomorrow y so any money that is put into the barn is not like it's being short changed and will be torn down in five years and so could this be CPA money perhaps again that would be a question to pose to the the building would have to the Historic Society would have to deem it a historical building the historical society would have to deem it in historical building commission commission yes I the commission so should the so who contacts the commission to to drive the historical significance of the property I think to be the building yeah yeah the building right so I I through the board of Select board would probably make that request to the historical commission to probably too late this year to get it theal commission and and it's too late in the CPA cpc's process second we in June is seeing how this is a project B I don't know if anyone wanted to see this these monies tomorrow my knowledge the CPC is second week of June for oh yeah but they don't even they don't have a proposal yet for they're they usually get their submissions in [Music] December I think you understanding being re it's a be is it's not a safety issue but it's also a concern that if it isn't propped up pretty quick like he said it's affecting the roof then you're going to into a roof sure so I I wouldn't say just because it's a b it's not needed okay okay um yeah it just it just seems to me that if we throw new tiles on a silo up here with 22k that why can't we fix our own town historical building with onethird the money to me well I'm not you won't get an argument from me either okay we hear you all right um You can see where that got us yep um well okay um so yellow Bond repairs I think you've made a good point Keith that it's better sooner than later um okay libraries $6,500 to resal exterior brick services I think I think we had the Commission in here they spoke to it Bob Smith spoke spoke to it and something that needs to be done it needs to be done okay purchase new guard rail mower for the highway department uh purchase a new uh in the amount of $27,500 to purchase a new guard rail post mow attachment for the tractor to mow around guard rail post to keep visibility the sides of Roads wasn't there some discussion that was going to help benefit the employees Notting yeah right I remember that yeah okay um okay Kei is this written in stone that number yeah that's that's a tight number okay okay well again it sounds like it's a safety issue okay um replace the 27 2017 unmar Cruiser for the police department at $65,000 uh was this was the Cru that he was speaking about no this is another one this is something if I understood him right he wants another marked he's going to keep the one he has the unmarked one is going to continue to be his he wanted another marked one now I may be wrong but I was thinking about it today and that's the way I took it too then he'll be using his unmarked one when it gets real bad to replace the existing traffic which it only goes out on traic it's paid for every time it goes out he get the money back right that's where he's going to put his gray one once it gets old then throw that one out so he made the comment yeah you see a lot of cruises there well that's because one of them is just for detail work right okay but now we're going to have two hybrid SUV V's marked that are going to be a year apart we're going to have the 2017 that unmarked that he's driving and the 20 15 or whatever the oldest one is that's sitting there that's going to be the detail car we have three full-time police officers and we're going to have three Cruisers Frontline Cruisers an unmarked and two marked ones that are only a year old both of them there's only three guys working and they only work one at a time I can't wrap my head around that I know it's in the capital budget I understand that and you know but but because he wants one and you know his reasoning wasn't good enough for me personally if you said to me let's take $50,000 and put it in the vehicle stabilization fund and earmark it to replace his or you know when we got a replace one we got some money in there that I'll vote for but to to get another marked Cruiser at this point yeah I cannot vote for that I won't I think we should ask him back in yeah don't have money put aside for Cruisers is this is unmarked this is an unmarked what he's got is changed now he changed it and he his vehicle isn't unmarked right right and he puts on puts on 40 miles a week with that I don't know well the numbers that he gave us last time is what was on the odometer um um and based on when they got it I did you just Little M he told us how many miles yeah right that was 40 40 miles a week I I would agree with Dan to have back in and for him to bring in a timeline for the next 10 years of which exactly which vehicles he would want to replace he he's just just for for our clarification what he will be looking for the capital layout got screwed up in sequence because of the delay in getting the last one yeah he right he ordered took two years the whole thing it's got it's all messed up now long range but it's still you know we're added we're always at somewhat of a disadvantage here and we've had this discussion before but there should be an inventory list of equipment for all of the key departments highway police fire boom a list we can we can look at it right here look down what's it used for when's it going there was some kind of a m you know Dan had a or the capital planning had a list of right that yeah I don't know we we've had something but this seems to be out of sequence this is out of and yeah that's and it's not replacing the normal course no it's not so I think we need this is an addition to and I I think you're absolutely right um the chief has to come back um come bring sham by the way the heck all right we see if he's still around all right well okay we'll hold off on that um oh yeah what do we need an unmarked for they need an unmarked Cruis from I I was told they cannot transport juveniles in a marked Cruiser plus plus they're very sneaky yeah yeah so you need at least one so to Conway and all the other time they all have an unmarked yeah Conway only has one they only have one crew it's the full size SUV they don't have a highway though they don't have a Town garage they have a town they do they did for a very long time they got Mahal the grand ask anybody lives a Conway I haven't been up there in a while that's another that's a whole another can of worms yeah all right we'll leave that alone yeah you won't touch that okay all righty so um where were we here we're going to um okay so we're going to have them back in C okay so we're going to look at C install Double Lane batting cages at the athletic field CPA c c I love those love I love writing that c okay nice um purchase electronic voting tabulators for 17555 um that's going to replace the old crank boxes oh we can't do that no we can't do that the likelihood is at some point there'll be a state mandate I can see that but it isn't there yet wait for that you know until they want to burn the place down we I think we should protect those boxes and all course just the crank just the sound of them that's that's the whole Beauty that's the only reason I go is y uh the argument is it will save election workers a lot of time at the end of the day rather than sitting in in County ballots then we won't need as many workers they understand that put out well no you you still need the same number during the day during the day but when you know normally extra people come into town especially the presidential election especially okay I having worked at the polls for many many years I can understand why this is okay necessary um why it's requested I know yes I can understand why it's requested it it might be used every you know every two years you're going to need it but okay well it'll be used for every election but I not be necessary right and there was there's been some discussion about that the crank box will still be there on display and you'll be able to use it yourself I guess you can turn the crank yourself somebody all right I'll still go all right um well okay we have explanation behind that um how we move on we have any questions about the purchase of electronic voting tabulators that we have not touched upon okay see what Happ um okay then we have two areas of no um no action okay all right so that's CPA um and um we still have a lot of unanswered questions we got to have a couple of people back in hold on anticipate thank you I didn't see that okay I missed it um okay anticipated capital projects from Regional organizations trown Beach purchased install swimming dogs the same page the bottom at the very bottom I think that's gonna be a CPC request for next year those three uh letters again okay scams I think I think they have pulled the requests they pulled it I'm trying well I hope so uh based on their revenue projection and cost I think there was something in the paper yeah and it was he did not I I think I remember from previous meeting there that they I will double check that and so that is both of them that would be both of them okay okay so we'll hold off on that uh andent purchasing new transport van um 6250 wasn't discussion C the balance to get that could be that could be just um it was like a they were going to like 70 or 80,000 State we got that s does anybody recall that this is the South uh Senior Center that uh the van Jim recalls that they were they spoke of a grant that would be coming in um to take most of the cost of that b right and this would be okay well that and again I can't speak for the this is the kind of thing that that relief money could again those five C okay all right so possibly Co scams has been pulled the doc the CPC and um double Lan B cages a CPA um just want to throw out while we while we bro the discussion of uh applying to the historic Commission to identify historical structures in town maybe we should that the select board could be proactive and take a look at what we have that could be considered historical that when it comes up for repair we automatically go over to grab some of that CPA money um for that okay no I just what with the Yellow Barn okay it would be wonderful if that was already uh an historical considered historically significant by the historical commission and the town and if it was so if the application for the CPA would have been much easier more straightforward and those monies would be available are there other structures in town which could which qualify qualify down street as are there is it based on what he said about the the will to get from the weight family because that building has a finite life it's going to come to its end yeah can we make it historical and then knock it down uh maybe you never knock it down who the heck knows I think the whole thing is and to answer your question Paul to look at anything else that's where the historical commission should play a role I can make a recommendation but they're the ones that need to to evaluate everything so then that would it sounds to me like it's a letter from select board to the historical commission outlining the the need to identify buildings structures within the town that are historically significant and put a label on them that they are they are that and um structures that belong to the town that belong to to the town belong to the town exactly yeah I I don't think that we've got the time to do that for this stru we've got no four weeks everything I'm not not this one but down I'm I'm talking about to take care of the Yellow Barn yellow bar you know you think the money will off the top of my head I can't think of any other buildings that the town owns and aren't already declared historical buildings by just be the the center school and the town hall yep the town hall isn't already those will be the ones that fall in that category yes all is yeah well I then you got other other pieces of things like for instance the stocking if that needs to have foundation work done things like that if the historical commission has identified it so that it's already a historical site on paper then the CPA application is to be streamlining so you know I realized that like the West wle chapel and the U the Congregational Church do not belong to the town um are they already considered historical yeah they be eligible so historical but moving forward you never know yeah C CPA covered the windows at the church the that's true that's true okay all righty I won't be the dead L okay um all right it's uh 10 of 8 and we are um at 10 10 of eight okay so um my suggestion would be that we move all school budget discussions to the next meeting yep um let's talk about staff and so staff salary adjustments would be uh next on the agenda oh GNA cost an additional so this page here Trish that says that's all in that's all in that's the cola and the adjustments going to be 34375 okay and Keith is here as chair of the Personnel Comm and Brenda is a member as well y um okay so let's um I mean initially you know we we vote on 3% at the last meeting y um and then um you know this indicates what that resulted in um and then we have we have eight positions on the front page that are being moved um that requested a move um does that before Cola or is that after Cola before the second page is okay the top sheet is what personnel committee actually voted the what top page is what personnel committee voted that's what they vote they vot V voted y remember they were meeting the day after you vot that's right okay all right so um um for the people at home that can't see this uh but are eagerly waiting to know um the position of police officer full-time we have two of them they ask for an increase before call up 51 568 to 5224 so an increase of $556 180 a year um parttime rate for police officers um is an increase of 17 cents an hour okay custodian 62 cents an hour increase operator labor entry level Highway 2494 an hour to 2708 an hour um $214 and operated for three years plus on the highway an increase of $222 to $27.98 per hour senior operator 2821 to 3 60 you'd increase $239 per hour the animal inspector it's gone from 460 to $1,153 1550 for an increase of $693 cents which um that's that's that is a jump um can that be spoken to as to why that occurred um primarily reason is we're not going to have one yes what's the date there is and um state says you got to have one yep and so we're working and that's kind to be something that I guess the best is that you TR answer that so we based on this so our animals inspector who's done it for bazillion years said he no longer wanted to do it especially in you the time it takes because we have a lot of inspections to do and for the rate of pay we looked at the salary survey Franklin County and our own this is the median we asked him if he considers staying on even tripling the salary he said no so it it will be bacon July one and there are no takers as of yet even with the tripled salary um and he greets stay on until June 30th so that's where we're at and you need not be a resident one of the things that I feel we should consider and we've looked into and we found the answer is to potentially share sounds good do we have any probably hasn't been bro G to advertising but are adj communities some of them pay double this yeah double the new so if they came in with us we would drop down based on whipping the average would drop a little less and they would have a more affordable so the other piece of this is voling we're a farming Community Animal inspector yeah yeah so that's the other piece of it that's any the other towns Conway must be know who does it in Conway they have a new one actually no they have a new animal control I don't know who the animal inspector is I know who it used to be but no like he said we're going to explore that because we need to yeah on the white okay all right okay so yes Jim ke three Highway Department operator positions are around 8.5 8.6% increase plus the 3% Cola can you speak to that yeah it's it's gotten to the point where you just the towns around are are taking employees from one town away from another the for what we require to have a CDL and a hoisting license and only be paying $24 an hour is it's it's it's not competitive and like just a simple thing I talked to um Bob Carris local carish oil l in wle and I asked him what do you start your employees at he says I don't have any of my employees less than $30 an hour and all they require is the CDL they don't even have to have a Hy M hasmat hasmat which is part of your T no that's a separate endorsement it's still part of your CDO but you you don't have to hold a separate license separate license hoisting licensees separate SS a haat it's it's an endorsement off of your yes but you have every year you have to it's not like your regular CDL okay and with the point I'm getting that and I can I'm sure you can ask other contractors around here the private sector it's it's a tough world out there can't get anybody to work just I will also say look looking at these numbers and been proved by personal committee already but you're probably going to have some unhappy police officers making that much less than inry level Highway up just that's true the um no question um blame Tre okay um all right well you know I mean are there any other I fully understand that the highway department the wages guys are taking those jobs because they get the benefits of year out work but in in the private sector they're making a lot more hours to help but they're just not getting benefits so right got comp understand yeah you know having worked in the private sector you don't get health insurance you don't get paid holidays you don't get vacation no work no pay you get a lot more higher wage you get a lot higher wage absolutely but there's a lot of additional benefits to working for the to so I got a quote for wage and classification study for town our size it would be um between 10 and 12,000 but if we did the job description update which you mentioned last week it would just be $7,000 to just do the scales okay for for 12,000 or whatever we would get job descriptions and the W and the wage but Lynn and I talked today and and Keith mentioned we have job descriptions for all our positions so they could be updated and we could do those in the house and then we just hire someone to do the actual salary analysis and start for wage scales so the wage so Keith if we had a wage scale if we had a step system for the town employees you think that would be attractive yeah definitely I mean and for instance when you go look at those numbers there front of you the the the entry level Highway and then the employee plus three that's basically what the steps are doing because we had a time when years ago when we did have a step system we had separation and then when the step system became obsolete because it was never maintained we then went we had employees that if you had a an entrylevel employee that started day one was making the same as an employee that's been there for 20 years as a operator laborer and there needed to be some type of Rec recognition for the fact that that 20year employee has a lot more experience and knowledge of the town and when you tell that employee to go here and there they don't have to be taught they they know what to do yeah right which is what the step system will should provide okay so so we have a step system and all of a sudden Conway decides to increase their entry level Highway position by $5 an hour with which ends up impacting everybody above that entry level position now all of a sudden either you or the person in your position now are they going to come back to because what what that step system does is it helps employees understand what's in front of them but it also insulates the taxpayer it insulates the town from from the variables that exist when other towns increase their pay skare perhaps I get that but at the same point in time that's where management of it comes into place because yes you can have that in place but if everybody else around you supersedes you and no one's going to come in to work for it anymore it has to be managed you can't just set it in place and forget it it's going to have to be managed and looked at from time to time and say you know what it's worth for five years but we're falling behind and it needs some adjustment and that's what happened with it before we had a system in place people started climbing it never got managed and it fell apart because it never got managed well then that's the thir it has to be managed need to make sure got a functioning Personnel committee exactly okay any other questions thoughts um nothing what motion to adjourn um we're good keth thanks for coming in and addressing we're good for who we need to see at the next meeting you want me to plug these into the budget so I can give you the final budget next week or plug them into the budget and we'll vote after the plug in okay okay do I have motion make a motion weour all those in favor Paul Dan Jim Jim Paul I I Tom Brenda okay okay we done