I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Mr. Schiff, here.
Mr. Franco, I'm here. And Mr. Cabrera, I am here. In compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act, chapter 231, public law 1975, notice requirements have been satisfied as to the time, place, and date of
holding said meeting by posting notice on the bulletin board here in Burough Hall and by emailing the same to the Herald of Cape May County and the Press of Atlantic City on October 15th, 2025. In the event of an emergency, the emergency exit is our front left, your
back right, or the door just by the American flag. Um, just a reminder, I just want to do a sound check. Brian, how are we sounding? Good to go on YouTube and and Facebook. Uh, we are being shown live here today on the Burough social media uh channels. Uh, those watching live and you would like
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And when prompted, you're going to enter the access code 9699020 followed by the pound or the hashtag. In the event you're watching uh you watch the recorded version of this meeting and you have a a comment or a question you'd like to make, you're more than welcome
to email our clerk at clerk wildacress.org or phone her at 6097298040. Uh on the topic of uh public comment, uh I just want to read an excerpt uh and an overview from the Open Public Meetings
Act uh with respect to public comment again and uh comments made here today or at any meeting. Um at a public meeting in New Jersey, individuals can voice their opinions, concerns, and questions about matters of public interest. The public comment period allows for
expressions of support or opposition to proposed actions and for the sharing of personal experiences and information relevant to the discussion. However, speakers must maintain decorum, refrain from personal attacks, and avoid disrupt disruptive and disorderly conduct. What
is allowed? You're allowed to express your opinion and your concerns. You're allowed to share personal experiences and information. You're certainly allowed to ask questions, although you may not get an answer right away. the public uh the governing body can always get back to you later. Uh you can offer
suggestions or proposals for improvements or alternate solutions to no issue to the issues at hand. What's not allowed? Personal attacks, obscenity or slanderous remarks. That includes mentioning anyone's name that works for this municipality,
disruptive or disorderly conduct, filibustering or hijacking the proceedings with our violations. Um, burrow can take respective action. We will hold a time limit. That's 5 minutes. Uh, sign up list if necessary, which we're not doing right now. Uh, the
board does not have to immediately respond, but if we need time to do the research, we're more than welcome and happy to get back to everybody. I want to ask everybody to keep their comments to be respectful. Um, you're certainly allowed to your opinion, although just be be mindful that opinion is not fact.
Focus on the issues. That is my report on the open public's meetings act and I'd ask everyone in this room and going forward to comply with that request. Madame clerk. Yes sir. We have ordinance 1468 and it is a reappropriation bond.
Motion that ordinance number 1468 be placed on second reading and final passage by title only. Second. It has been moved and seconded that ordinance number 1468 be based on second and final reading by title only. Roll call. Mr. Schiff.
Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera. Yes. Ordinance 1468 reads as follows. an ordinance providing for the improvement of various road in and by the burrow of Wildwood Crest in the county of Cape May, New Jersey, and appropriating
650,000 therefore from funds available under an ordinance of the burrow hereto for adopted. Motion that a public hearing now be held on ordinance number 1468. Second the motion. It has been moved and second that a
public hearing on ordinance number 1468 now be held. Roll call. Mr. Chef. Yes, Mr. Franco. Yes, Mr. Cabera. Yes. Floor is open for public comment on ordinance number 1468 and 1468 only. Anyone conference line public comment
ordinance number 1468 hearing? None. Motion that a public hearing on ordinance number 1468 now be closed. Second it. It has been moved and second that the public hearing on orders number 1468 now be closed. Roll call. Mr. Sheff. Yep. Mr. Franco. Yes.
Mr. Cabra. Yes. Motion that ordinance number 1468 be passed on second and final reading and advertised according to law. Second the motion. Has been moved and seconded that ordinance number 1468 be passed on second and final reading and advertised according to law.
Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera. Yes. Next we have the resolutions. The first is authorizing to terminate all participation under SHBP and SHBP including prescription drug plan and/or
dental plan coverage. Motion second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabrera. Yes. Next is authorizing amendment of resolution number 25-77
which authorized the appointment of health insurance brokerage consultant for the year 2025 as a professional service contract without public bidding. Motion it second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco.
Yes. Mr. Cabrera. Yes. Next is authorizing the award and execution of agreement with Braven Health to procure and provide medical insurance and prescription services. Motion it second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll
call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabrera. Yes. Next is authorizing the award and execution of agreement with a health to procure and provide insurance and prescription services. Motion. Second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be
adopted. Roll call. Mr. Sheff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabrera. Yes. Next is authorizing cancellation and refund of taxes for a totally disabled veteran. Motion. I'll second that. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff.
Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera. Yes. Next is authorizing burrow engineer work order for professional survey services for 2011 West Pittsburgh Avenue at the not to exceed sum of 1500. Motion. I will second that.
It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Quick question about that. Sure. How do we go out for for that? Who do we contact for that? Is that a bid or is that is that just for a factual survey?
Is that the only we just went to our engineer for that? Is that just And so we Yeah, we were asked to provide a proposal. We did. Okay. I don't know if that was another What's that? Just goes through your uh ear.
Yeah, through you. Okay, got it. Okay. Roll call. Mr. Franco. Yes. And Mr. Cabra. Yes. Next is authorizing the appointment of Carl Grun as a member of the Wildwood Crest Backbay Dredging Advisory Committee for terms commencing
immediately and expiring December 31st, 2026. I'll be happy to motion that. Second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabrera. Yes. Next is authorizing a licensing agreement between the Burrow of Wildwood
Crest and Wildwood Catholic Academy for use of the Joseph Fund Savage pool for swim season 2025-2026. Motion second. It's been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera.
Yes. Next is authorizing expenditure to purchase a 2026 Ford utility interceptorbased vehicle for the construction code department under state contract in the amount of $44,236.40. Can I get a motion? A motion.
Can I get a second? Second. It has been moved and seconded the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera. Yes. Next is amending resolution number 25-29 to include website design at the
not to exceed sum of $5,475. Motion. Second. Has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. Mr. Cabera. Yes. Motion that all bills properly authorized as submitted be paid. Second.
It has been moved and seconded that all bills properly authorized as submitted be paid. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes. And Mr. Cabera. Yes. Thanks, Trish. Sure. Thank you, Trish. Yep. Okay. Under correspondence, uh we have two uh matters
uh that were sent to us by mail and email. Uh first one by uh James uh Flehurie um with respect to uh trash collection on Sundays. I'll read uh his uh comments and his request. I've uh I have been
coming to Wildwood Crest with my family for over 20 years and it just gets better every year. Thank you for your work uh and governance uh toward making the crest the beautiful place that it is. I write to ask you to consider stopping municipal garbage collection on
Sundays. Sunday is the Lord's Day, celebrating the resurrection, a day of joy and rest from unnecessary work. I recognize the necessity of police, fire, and EMS. the lifeguards to work on Sundays but think that the crest could be without the trash collection on
Sundays. Thank you in advance for considering my thoughts and keep up the great work you are doing. Um so that is the the first one I will I will respond to that. Um so the reason and one of the reasons why there is trash collection on
Sundays is as everyone heads to the beach on Sundays um a lot of the oceanfront and the beach block properties um had trash overflowing their dumpster because if you have if the weekends are so busy if you don't pick them up that trash will be all over
the place on their property and something that you everybody would see and smell at times depending on how hot it is. Uh so there is uh that was the reason why there is a trash. I I have to believe that um although I don't disagree what the what Mr. Flayer is
saying, I do believe that as a a tourist community, I I think it's a I think it's a service that our our beach block property, hotel, motel, businesses, um condominium associations, anyone that heads to the beach, nobody wants to look at um trash u laying all over or
smelling it. So, um, my preference would be to, uh, keep it as is, but, certainly, uh, I'd like to thank Mr. Fleer Flurry for his, uh, for his communication and taking the time to write the letter. Um, Trish, that being said, I'm assuming the governing body, do you have any comments or questions on the on that?
Thank you. All right. Um, Trish, would you mind respond because he it looks like he wrote this. I didn't write an email. So, I'm happy to just just respond to him with a quick letter indicating that we did that we did uh raise it in public session and we're going to keep it as is uh for now.
Uh okay. Uh next one is uh from an individual Brian Schwarz. Uh please read this statement at the next commissioner meeting. I would like to publicly thank the Department of Public Works for the amazing effort to restore the Wild Crest beaches within one day after the effects of Hurricane Aaron last month. They did
an amazing job so we could all enjoy the beach uninterrupted for the remainder of the 2025 summer. Our existing dunes did their job to protect the infrastructure. Imagine if the water was 650 ft closer to land as prop proposed in the Army Corps project. That would be terrible.
Thank you to the burough commissioners for pushing back uh on destroying our beautiful beach and existing dune. Brian Schwarz. Thank you, Brian. Okay, that brings us uh that closes out uh correspondence and brings us to the discussion items. We have nothing listed
under new business. Um we'll go through the uh old business real quick. Box truck ordinance. I believe we're still waiting for some comments from uh uh the PD to solicitor Galzunes. uh 250th birthday committee. As I mentioned, uh we're looking to schedule a meeting here
probably in October or November to start planning some of the uh uh 250 America's Birthday events for next year. Uh municipal app is on hold. That's going to be a a budgetary line item for 2026.
Historical museum, uh Pam Bowlington is working for the recreation department. and she is in the process of inventorying what the burrow has in its possession. Uh it's everything from the fishing pier artifacts to all the artifacts that were once owned by the
Wildwood Crest Historical Society in the hopes of creating a historical museum uh potentially at the south side of the rescue building. And I did ask her and she is ready to come in and make a presentation to the burrow. When she's ready, I'll let everybody know and we'll get her on agenda. Um, nothing new on
traffic calming, just waiting for the grant writer. Back beach excavation is um is something that we're going to look at into the fall and for to next year. Uh, commission, anything on dreading? We had a meeting last week, Mayor um, and Tony Pasqual, D Pasqual came down to
inform us that, um, it's still in the works. Um, unfortunately, it's it's in the acquisition phase. So, it's a little bit out of our hands. So, we're trying to take the next step to see where our options are in that. Um, and we're hopeful that this project can be
finished uh by next year. So, it was a productive meeting, but that's the uh that's the latest and greatest. Okay. Thank you. Uh, New Jersey Avenue infrastructure pre- county. Uh, this project will be starting uh very soon. Again, this is the sanitary sewer and
the water connections from Rambler to Cressy Road, Cresy Avenue. All right. Washington C viewfalls. We're still waiting for the award uh decision from FEMA through our various uh grant writers uh Army Corps and the NJP Dune.
Uh no no word or and nothing other than uh from the last time I reported which is there was a a meeting there was some requests made. We didn't hear anything that they followed back uh they being the Army Corps sent a letter to the state that basically said please let us know if you're moving forward on this
project. They were considering reallocating the funding somewhere else. Have not heard anything more from that point. Um, burrow hall reservations. The architect is still working on the concept drawings. Nothing new on that. Um,
governing body, you have anything you would like to add under old business? Any other comments? When do you think, mayor, when do you think we'll be able to get receive the barrel hall renovation actual quote? because I received I don't know if it was official or not a quote from Francine about a month or two ago that
was outrageously high and I don't know if that was he was just guessing or if it was an actual quote I haven't seen anything in writing. Do you think that's Was it in writing cuz I haven't seen No, it wasn't in writing. That's it was horrible. No, it was just yet Yeah, I just walked the building with
the um with the architect and he was kind of quoting like you know what he thought loosely what he thought it might be. But then of course, you know, depends on what the budget is and we can always, you know, remove certain aspects of the um of the design once once we see
it because I I don't realize if he was serious or not with that that quote because that was a little bit extreme. So, I just wanted to know if there was something coming soon. Yeah, I can we can certainly send him an email just to jog him and just see where
he's at with that. Uh I do have one m matter I'd like to add under old business just to keep it in front of everyone and that is the fishing pier. Uh so just uh just to bring everybody up to speed. So take you back. The burrow received and I'll use round numbers $1.1 million in a boardwalk preservation
trust fund uh towards the uh towards the uh enhancement of that pier. Uh the bureau just awarded uh uh or I guess authorized an application to the Kate May County Open Spaces Board for the maximum award of 2.5 million. Uh that
would bring us to $3.6 million. Um the fishing pier committee had a had a uh a design that we were working with years ago before uh um before the uh before COVID and it was in round numbers uh it was around a $6 million project at that
time. Now it's upwards to 7 million. With that in mind, um we met uh with engineering on site uh at the fishing pier um and opted to do what we will call some value engineering which is keeping our existing pier and adding uh
the adding the pier into the water using the funds that we have available. Um that would include um new decking, lighting, um railings, handicap railings, uh and then the actual extension itself. Uh and
we're thinking that's going to come in well well with well within our budget um and much more affordable uh to to everybody. Um, I remind everyone that part of the Army Corps project when we were negotiating this years ago was a
lur credit um, which we were asking for hard construction dollars of roughly $2 million to be used towards that because they were to build their dune the way that they wanted to do it. Uh, we would have had to have taken our pier up over
this uh, this dune. Um, so that was removed from the table. uh although it is specifically mentioned in the state aid agreement and um so the burough is you know not without that had had that $2 million and I'm using round numbers uh been a made available for hard
construction dollars that would have certainly made the project much more affordable but as a result now we're going to have to we're going to scale it back. Um so that's that's it at the for the fishing pier. Uh Mark, can you get me a uh uh a copy of the of the plan and
the design that we have that your office is working on so we can get that up online and and a bigger plan so that uh we can show the public what that is perhaps by the next meeting. Okay. Um public comments. Uh we're going to start with anybody here in the audience. Just need your name. Do not
need your address. Please come on up to the microphone. And please keep in mind uh the open public meetings act uh parameters which I read earlier today. Uh Dave McWills, just a couple questions. Two different providers for medical insurance and prescriptions
seems a little different. One's for retirees, one's for active. Thank you. the fishing pier. Have we that that's a done deal. We're going to extend this fishing pier so that in 10 years from now when we don't do this beach project
it's drylocked again. You're going to extend the pier and with the way the beach is going at some point in time or we're going to be dry again. Have we already made the decision that we're going to do this project or are we still thinking about doing this project? So right now we're still we're trying to
get all the funding in line. If the funding lines up, then it would be I mean I can't speak for my fellow governing body members, but it would be my intention to move forward with the project. Okay. So, you're going to present that to the public at some point in time. Give us a chance to tell you what a bad idea I think it is.
Sure. Okay. Dune project. I thought that at the end of September or end of August, there was some kind of drop dead date where we hadn't heard back. At what point in time do we get some resolution? Because
clearly if the core is going to reallocate money that means the project's not going forward. When do we get any any idea when we hear definitively one way or the other? No. Completely between the army corps who's providing the funding to the state
which is a which has a partner and then um they're we have not been put on on notice one way or the other if the project if they're going to make modifications or they're not making modifications and this is the way we we had a conference call. We we said our piece and we're just waiting to hear back.
So at some point in time the state can go back and say yes we're going to do this project. They could say that. Sure. And then what's our next step legal? You I'm sorry. I'm just saying you're saying if they decide they want to move forward with the project. Yeah. I mean this is a project that's been ongoing for quite some time now. At
some point in time they could just say you know what I hear you but too bad. We're going to do it. Well they would have to do that by eminent demate. So that would be that would that would draw draw the project out for sure. That would be a costly legal battle for them and for us I'm assuming. Okay. Thank you. Yep.
Anybody else? Public comment. My name is Chris Hughes. I guess I have a question about the back beach excavation. What exactly is that? So, there's areas uh there's before the season we had the beach surveyed for the the lowest lying area. to behind the
dunes specifically from Rambler South that were having problems with water ponding. So we we took those areas and dredged those or sorry uh excavated those areas so that it was it was flat and could absorb the water. Okay. Um we were now discussing what needs to
happen potentially for next year. Same similar projects. Is it the whole beach? Is it the just certain sections of the beach or and is it also easterly of the existing dune system as well because there still is some lowlying areas. Okay. Now, it's my understanding that they use the sand fencing like the beach
fencing to catch the sand to build the sand dunes. Is there any way to use that for the back beach in the crest? Yes, that is actually Could we put that before the dunes that we have now in the area between the trash cans and the dunes all winter?
Yes. to collect the sand to just catch the sand that blows because it does. And I don't know about anybody who spends time on the beach in the winter here. I drive it actively all winter. I mean, it's like this. It's not flat. It's only flat because we rake it for the summer.
So, just as a inexpensive way to try to catch sand. That's exactly. So, that is exactly the plan that we're we are putting in place of this fall. public works is in the process of work. They're in working with our environmental engineer. Uh there's going to be some surveying done on some
additional surveying done as needed on the beach to plant the snow plant the snow fence, capture the sand, and then we'll see how that goes to to the fence. Correct. Then we'll remove this we'll remove the sand before the summer starts. You know what I mean? Like so. Okay. Yep. And the other thing is is I mean we're
everybody talks about the project to replenish the beach. We all know the water comes from the bay. The dredging project. I haven't been to any dredging meetings, but I'm glad that that's happening. The water comes way more in the street from the bay than it does the ocean. If you walk the bike path,
there's about three or four blocks that get actively trimmed every spring and you can see them especially close to the boardwalk. You walk the bike path, one section of dune grass or dune plants is 10 feet high. You walk over a block,
it's five feet high. How's that even possible? If you're here in the springtime and you walk the bike path in the springtime, you can catch people out there completely cutting everything, including the Wildwood Crest Department of Public Works. I don't understand why
they do it when those beach plants are what holds the sand there. In theory, if the be if the dune plants are 10 feet tall and there's a say a sixft gap between the top of those plants and the sand, it's not going to blow as much. If
those plants are 5t tall and there's only two feet from the top of those plants to the sand, it's probably going to blow the sand away a lot easier. Just a theory. So, is there a way to just try to help protect the dunes that we have, like a planting system or something
where like we can plant plants that have wide root systems and deep root systems and help protect the dunes that we have that are unlike any other ones in New Jersey in my opinion. So, that's Yep. And just just to comment on that on your last comment. So, we are in we did
ask our environmental engineer there is uh the state does allow some pruning of the of the dune system before the budding season. We're getting our hands around those parameters. Again, um the biggest thing we have we have the vegetation that grows over this grows
covers up some of the uh the walkways as you head down to the beach. Dead middle. Yeah, you can see everybody sees it. You just most people don't pay attention to it. We happen to just really pay attention to it. It's clear as day the minute that you notice it because you can stand and look one block over. Yep.
One and it's it's it's just obvious. Yeah. As soon as we get the information from our environmental consultant, I'll report back on that. Thank you. You're welcome. Good morning, David Thompson. Um just wondering with an update on the Crocus uh New Jersey property auction. Did you
get minimum bid and are we moving along with that? Uh so the so we did go out to bid. We did not get any bids received. Um we are hearing some concerns with respect to the I'll call it the marketability of the project. So we're going to ask our
construction department, our code department and public works to do a walkthrough of the building and clean up anything that needs to be cleaned up and then we'll go back out to bid um at some point later this year. Okay. Um, at this time I'd like to reiterate my opposition to sell on that
property regardless of the Pittsburgh Avenue property. Um, that was originally purposed with the I purchased with the idea of parking for the New Jersey Avenue business district. Now, you're starting with the construction. The um county will come in and do theirs. And I
do believe the future of New Jersey Avenue, it will change and come back to be a vibrant shopping area if we actually work it properly. You're seeing now the construction on the corner of Coline, New Jersey. That to me is probably the beginning of it. the fact
that we've now allowed them to build three stories above the first floor because of the housing uh requirement with the state. I think that's going to be one of the next areas for investment and improvement there. I can't imagine
that the property Harry D's property and the little building next door to it perfect area for developer to come in tear them down and build the living units upstairs which will create uh customers for the businesses new business downstairs but that was bought
for parking for the future for New Jersey Avenue and I still think that that is the best possibility for there. You look at Jellyfish Cafe, they have no parking over there. Not their fault. I mean, this is the way the town was developed years and years ago and allowed that to happen. Um, obviously,
it would require the purchase of a small house next to Leader Printers, but that could be a viable parking area, not only for the tourists, not only for the the businesses there, but the locals in the area as well could park there overnight if necessary. Um, you could have that uh
metered where you'd get a little bit of revenue from it as well. Not that it's a really a revenue generator, although it would help. But I it's very important to consider that for New Jersey Avenue, the future of that business district. It's what it was bought for. And I and I would again I think we should really
reconsider selling that. If you want to buy that other lot, figure a way to buy it. Um not that I'm really for that either, but um I'm really opposed to selling that property at Crocus in New Jersey. Thank you. Yep.
Anybody else? Follow comment. My apologies. Uh Dave McWills. Uh want to thank the burrow for all the work at 8105 New Jersey. Uh the lots much much improved. I thought we were done. My neighbor Jennifer who's got a different
perspective on the on the lot. Indicates that there's still some containers etc. behind the shed that's on the lot. So, if we have an opportunity to address that, then we'd be 100% not 95. But thanks for everything that's going on so far.
Thank you. Okay. Anybody else public comment? Anybody on the conference line have any public comment? Okay. Hearing none, we'll go to commissioner comment. [Music] I'd like to thank uh first of all the
air show was a I think a very good success and I believe that all our departments performed well. Public safety did keep uh traffic out of where they were supposed to be. I think it's good for the town. So I just wanted to thank everybody for that and thank our
departments. Um, I have just a concern about the the parks that we're redoing apparently at the Centennial Park. We received a quote to maybe a month ago or so of
almost $300,000 for Ballards and to redo that. Uh, I don't know if that's changed or not. I think Francia mentioned that might have changed that that quote, but we also have seven other parks. So, are we doing
those parks as with this park included too or is it just this park right now? Cuz I'm concerned about the the cost how it's going to balloon up and factor in the this building that's a$2 to5 million
project potentially. And then this one was almost 300,000 for one park. And then I received another quote for cameras that I guess we're discussing after. um where's the priority and how how much money we're going to be spending on all
these different projects. I'm concerned about it. So, is there is there a plan to do other parks because if you do one, I think you have to do all of them. I think that's a uh concern of us all.
It has to be a commissioner uh agreed thing. uh when it comes to public safety. I know that the uh chief and I were discussing Centennial Park as having some issues and I don't want to get into uh anything that can allow
anybody to think of things that are not good for us, but potentially that park was the first one that we wanted to tighten up with the Ballards. If you remember, and you guys did vote on it, we were going to construct a instead of those plastic barriers down there, we
were going to use the concrete ones and backed off of that because of the weight and uh maybe wasn't the correct way to go. But we still do believe 100% that public safety and in those parks
are essential. Right now, every day, we're just hoping something doesn't happen. And as you can see, the world is changing. So going back to your original question, how we're going to do it. I think we have to phase it. And I think we discussed that before. I think you
understand that because you were in the discussion of it. Also, the security cameras uh we I feel and the chief feels that and I'm sorry to speak for you, chief, if it's okay with you. Uh they're they're an important essential for our
community. We did have a situation that happened at the splash park and we were fortunate enough to have our security cameras right there. So for potential litigation were covered. Uh I believe the security cameras are
important. I know that there are some uh grants out there that we're going to be more than happy to explore, but I I know that's what we need to look at. But right now, the Ballards, I think Don had, and I haven't seen it in a while, had uh a concept for the park,
I'm right or wrong, please correct me, that uh would kind of address some of these things. But once again, it's a community matter. I think everybody has to uh weigh on it, weigh in on it and see if it fits, you know, if it's
conducive to what we want. So yes, we are looking at it, but it has to be phased in. I hope that answered the question. So what are we doing? What are we doing first? So that that's my question is is the question is we're looking at Centennial Park and we're looking at
funding and then for the overall we didn't want to put something in there when I say we public safety until really the concept of that park but that's of Centennial Park is uh approved. But that would be the first area. Correct me if
I'm wrong, Chief. Chief, if I if I can So, let me just go back and So, we we originally had the uh the approval of those concrete um barriers. I'll call it for a lack for a better term. Um we it was too late in the
season. We opted we the burrow opted to put back up what was always been there to get us through for this year. M um so rather than spending money on those concrete barriers, let's put the money towards the actual park itself. So last week, engineering, our landscape
architect, um Trish Francine and myself and public works uh with uh the chief and the captain, we walked Centennial Park again and came up with a good plan. We're just waiting for the details to come back from the architect um which
will keep the open space of the park but also add the security features that the police department is concerned about um so that when we have large gatherings you know um we're the public's protected and I believe that's a smart way to go that way
to that we're just just waiting on the details from the um from the from the architect financially if you just look in the country, car loans, credit card loans, all-time high. So, we're we're going out and spending
two maybe 5 million bucks on this building, potentially 300,000 on Centennial Park, and then I got a quote for nine cameras, which is almost $200,000. So, my concern is the spending. Yes, I'm I'm all about
the safety of it, but when does it stop? When does the spending stop? Because when the need, this is outrageous, you know, when the need stops. Well, I think you're going to run into a problem, commissioner, that people can't afford to pay their credit card debt. They can't afford to afford to pay their their loans.
That's why we're going to phase it in. Don't make it look, and I'm surprised we're talking like this right now because I'm looking at the numbers and they're outrageous. I think that you know better. I And the problem is right now, it's not it's not your money. It's their money. It is our money. It's their money.
It's our money. I pay taxes, too. Uh, I think you're blowing it way out of proportion. I understand your concern. I understand the money. I believe that we were going to phase it in. We're not going to take $20 million and try to just get everything done all at once.
But there are priorities and that has to be through our police department, public safety, uh, to prioritize what we need to do. But it's a phase in. It's not an allgether hit. So if the building comes in, the park comes in, the security
comes in. I guess that's what we need to do as commissioners to stand up and see what the right thing is to do for our town and our burrow. And that's the way I feel. Thank you. I didn't mean to say all that.
Anybody else? Anything else? I'm good. Good. Okay. Uh oh, public comment. So tomorrow um is 911. Just want to remind everyone of our 911 uh services at uh Alamino Park starts at 5:30 tomorrow. Um hope to
see everybody there. Never forget. All right. That said, yes, I said I'm going to read the resolution. It's authorizing executive closed in accordance with the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act, specifically NJSA 10 col4-12B with regard to three
items. Tactics and techniques for safety and security, potential litigation for a bulkhead violation, and employment terms and conditions for a PPM. Can I get a motion? Motion. Second. It has been moved and seconded that the foregoing resolution be adopted. Roll call. Mr. Schiff. Yes. Mr. Franco. Yes.
Mr. Cabera. Yes. I have 108, sir. Safeties on our mask achieves this. Sure.