##VIDEO ID:fHJi9v9OrY0## all right good evening everybody I hope everybody's enjoying this lovely weather we're having outside today is Tuesday January 21st the time is 601 and the City of Williston city council meeting has come to order Mr Right would you please call R I will be filling in for her mayor Charles Goodman that' be present or here whatever you want to say yeah okay moving right along I'd like to remind everyone to please use your microphones mayor council president Michael Cox hello vice president miss Hines here uh council member Miss Jones here council member uh Martin is not here council member Rio is not here she is running late just say no okay so she's not here uh city manager Terry bavar here attorney Kristen Bel here and city clerk Latricia Wright he's here all right opening prayer and pledge of allegiance to the flag Mr Mayor Charles good Lord I Thank you for these people that have showed an interest in their government and that have come to our city to do various things with the city council to ask for things to help in any way they can and Lord I Thank you for the three city council who showed up so we would have a quorum and wouldn't have to cancel this meeting and Lord each and every one of us are going to be facing very hazardous conditions none more than the police officers of the city of Willison the electricians will be under extreme stress from what I am understand from swany County they say expect lines to freeze and power to go out so Lord give all of our city staff and workers the extra energy they need to help us through this we ask this in your name amen amen flag United States thank you very [Music] much thank you sir I would like to report that council member Meredith Martin is now present I looked I didn't see and one other thing all staff he saw you are y'all present thank you all righty item one addition deletions changes and approval of the agenda so I will ask for approval of the agenda appr the agenda second all right first we got a second any kind of discussion all in favor say I I I I for zero all right item number two public participation all right at this time anybody can come up and speak to at the podium for you have up to five minutes for anything other than what is on the agenda okay item three consent agenda these are the council minutes from Jan January 7th 2025 resolution 20 25-20 appointing Selena Collins to the Planning and Zoning commission resolution 202-21 appointing Nick start to the board of adjustments and code enforcement all right I second we have first we got a second any discussions right CN none all in favor say I I those opposed no 4 Z updates staff and board and Council updates city manager Terry Bard thank you Mr President uh I'll be brief I we have a long agenda so a couple things real quickly um is that I've received your questions so I'll be compiling them hopefully by tomorrow sting back out for you uh to have for the upcoming city manager interview um also and not still Donald's Thunder the um the pump bypass pump at bugat is in the ground in the ground and can be usable so we're past that hurdle um so that's a good deal yeah so yes sir useful is useful so we can use it but I still think there's a few extra things we got to do but in emergency that's all I that's all you got yep staff I'll give a brief update reference to our um signal tan and our stolen vehicles we had over last week uh we did make an arrest reference to the stolen vehicle we're continuing our investigation on the burgy of the vehicles we have some stuff that we that has developed that will help probably bring a close to those cases over in that area and as of tomorrow every officer employed by the Willison police department will be equipped with a tourniquet so if we ever have something happen uh of vastic measures these officers will have the tools that they need to perform their duties that's all I got all right thanks there Mr Ste do you have anything no okay anybody else all right Council Mr Mayor all right item five new business a discussion with possible action water rates Crystal P need to turn it on right no it's on okay H thank you for your time this evening um the purpose of the of the conversation is uh water rates particularly for high water users my name is Crystal Pinkston and I'm one of the managing partners of Noble Avenue Car Wash so I stand before you today uh as Mr Terry and I have had multiple discussions in regards to the water rates that have increased while I understand these water rates have to come up over time you know it's it's inevitable to for the budget and all the things that have to happen for the high water users which would be ourself the other car wash the two launder mats um waa and also the crossings we have we have really suffered drastic uh water rates and so there are tiers and I don't know if you guys know this and I'm sure ter has probably shared this with you guys at some point so you know this you know based on raising the rates there are five tiers and and we're in tier five as are the other high water users in tier five so what has happened is our rates have doubled basically so in 2023 we had a $116,000 water bill we now have over a $30,000 water bill for the year for and and it's it's impacting us drastically because one car wash is 85 gallons of water that's a lot of water so we've we've gotten to the point where we've made some other changes but the reality is is that it's very hard to pass these these rate increases along to the customer because there's really only a certain cap you can go to we are not a tunnel wash um in the city and nor do we look that you know we're going to bring a tunnel wash to the city but with a a double a double water rate it's impacting us it's impacting the other people so I'd like to think that there would be the reality that we can come down to what other businesses are which is a tier three instead of being a tier five because the more water we use kind of the more water the more we're punished on the rate um so I don't know that we can necessarily make an an action or a vote on this tonight because I know Terry was getting with um flal water and they're not able to be here tonight um but you know open for discussion is is this something that we can do you need to hear from more high water users about this before something is voted on I have microphone please sir you have get close to it there you uh perfect Mr Barber you're in charge of the water now right okay please go to the microphone for Aon yes sir my understanding of my little water Supply is that the water use is also designated as sewers is that accurate yes sir so when we pay for water even if we're long moow uh washing our Lawns with it we pay sewer P for that if you have an irrigation meter no you don't pay for irrigation if you have an irrigation meter if you only have one meter then the answer to your question would be yes you would pay to water your lawn also for sewers okay I do have an irrigation meter thank you very much my question is are they paying a sewer fee so that they're water absolutely how we calculate sewage is also by the rate that we come up with as far as what water usage you have but again that water goes into a drain and goes through the process so unless someone can separate irrigation out or something that's soaked into what we call permeable surface if it has to go into the sewer system it causes a something to go through our plant process and you would still Yes be paying for the sewer along with what water you're using okay I just wanted that clarification Miss Pink you're not just paying for water the water bill is basically my understanding three times as much because you've got water and sewer yes so I understand your problem I don't have a solution right just quit watering my glass and said God can take care of thank you definitely understand and to me it's not that we need to hear from more high water users it's that we do need to hear from roal water and we need to hear from our finance director and how much money is being collected and whether we can afford to go down to that third third tier right or the high water user because I know that's the plan right if we can manage to do it well and the discussion been going on since March April of last year a long and so it's one of those things where it's like okay like you know I want to try and get a resolution to this as soon as possible because it it is literally killing us at the end of and I think what they originally said was we needed six months worth of data but we should have that now yes or close to it gocha Goa yes I can tell exactly where we're at so uh probably several weeks back Stephen delivered to uh P of Roy water and us the items that they requested from him reference to our budget um so they've had that that was one of the things that was holding this up of course obviously the changing out of their employee held us up we didn't know about that um and we did come back at one time and then we calculated that I think we thought that based on the high water usage rates we would looking about don't quote me because I'll go back and give you this number was like $80,000 a year in loss Revenue um so so we do know what what it would look like to do that we have that figure um so it's compiling all that data together um and giving a presentation yall let us know where where you're at Mr manager is this based upon them being a classification five and that would be our water loss at class our Revenue loss at five the quick answer is yes what we did Mr Mayers I suggest that Stephen figure the numbers of tier rates three four and five as the same and that is with tier three in other words tier three would be what the normal cost of is currently tier four would be the cost of what tier three is tier five would be the cost of what tier three is so fours and fives would go away in the sense of of additional money but they be the same as tier three so really no matter how much water you use once you got into the tier three it's going to be the same cost until you run a me thank you that's what I was getting to yes and I I know of no way the expert here of how we would separate that Wastewater number because it still has to go to the plant still has to be treated and still has to be accounted for unless there's a way to recirculate it so that's a reclaimed system and that's a little bit different there's probably about a hundred million dollars that it would take to get a reclaim system the point I wanted to make just briefly was uh this is also something that the City attorney and Florida real water with d are going to have to get into two for two reasons one with d we have a state revolving fund loan that we have currently taken out and a second phase of that that we're going to need to take out uh city manager our finance director everybody involved can tell you that there were six seven eight months worth of constant questions back and forth they did such a refined look at every penny that was coming in the rate structures that were proposed the rate structures that were in place that to get that loan to deal with the sewer in the major parts of town that were from the 40s and 50s that we're going to have to check with them and with right Pierce as to what that's going to do in affecting our srf loan we got approval on that second is as far as the tear and the City attorney can get into this at the council desire but from my understanding with with rules and regulations in Florida statute you can't exclude certain what we call High users you either have to do away with the tiers across the board to where no one gets charged that or you have to not do anything but you can't do special designations and give favorable uh treatment toward any particular industry because then the rest could actually open up the ordinance and the rates for litigation so that's my understanding you guys can further check on that but I don't believe there can be special caveat what you do for one you have to do for all so I just wanted to make sure you understand that so question um who is currently at tier three um I don't have the list here but I can assure you it's the car washes it is the crossings it's most definitely the laundry mats there isn't a lot tier three yeah there is there is there isn't a lot I mean there's the the tier four and five is in a lot so and I did not bring the XL Spreadsheet with me it showed you which one so but I can so yeah so the the um high water usage people or anyone who's paying high high water bill are they getting a discount at this point is the city going and saying okay well your bill is this this month we will reduce it by this no I it's very limited on what I can do there but no I know at one point we were working with people with they when they would come in so I'm just asking we do as um and I think we did with Y BRZ I could be wrong once or twice or yeah I mean you know if somebody has I do have a little wiggle room if somebody has a leak or something at their house they hire a plumber he comes in he fixes it they bring us the bill showing us where they had the leak um or like we had one person they had an they had 240,000 gallons that they lost they had a 3/4 inch pip busted in the back of their barn and it ran for a whole month so remember I I have to account for every Gall so I'm not talking about the people who are having issues I'm talking about the high water use people who are um asking for a change in here I can't because it's a city ordinance I can't just say I'm going to put you in tear or we would not be having this Miss Pinkston you said you were a tier five and I keep hearing there is no tier five are you aware of that umer they on discussion with Terry he told us we were in the tier five you are I thought you just said there we were doing a away or is that what you're plan and it wouldn't make any difference if you were tier five or tier three your water bill would be exactly the same exactly so if you're if you're in tier three the discussion I have with Stephen was we take tier three and let's say for the sake of just simple MTH that's a dollar per gallon and then you go into tier four and it goes to $2 a gallon of usage now these just figures I'm pulling out for general math makes it easy on me and then the the tier five is three bucks a gallon the original proposal that I discussed even with y'all was that we make tier three $1 a gallot we take tier four and make it $1 a gallon we take tier five and make it $1 a gallon and that way whatever tier you fall into three four or five you're paying the same now whether that's legal or not I I thought we had covered that and I think I've seen other cities that do that then what's Pur then what's the purpose of the tier if you're if you're going to make all the tiar the same no no I'm just saying based on your scenario yeah the reason for the is the conservation that the purpose is make which is impossible in a business field that we're in yeah but what I'm still confused if three is the top tier is not it's not so four and five you pay exactly the same water bill right now you pay more okay that's what but you just gave a scenario of that it would be my hope that's your hope thank you that clarifies it is my hopes that we can get to tier three four and five being the same cost per gallon CU then we would still have the tears it's not like we'd be doing away with the tear it's just they will be lesser I I think think he discovered the one thing he could change is the rate he can't change the ordinance that has the tears I think I would still be change the rate by putting it back to the same price it would require it more understand that correctly it would requ a change oh yeah sure question still comes back to then what's the purpose of Tears higher than three but it's the same to encourage if you don't change if you change it you're not conserving your right but the current method is to ask correct I get that but based on his scenario what's the purpose of those tiers higher than three if if we are going to keep the amount what what may happen I'm M guessing right is that of course just like Donald said the tearing of the rate structure is to encourage people not to waste water well you're a water-based industry or water-based business um there's obviously you're in a little different category you're not category but you're you're a different business I mean you're using water as a part of your business that's the way I look at it it's not like a restaurant where you're washing your hands and going to the bathroom their business is water that's what they do um I think tier my opinion the city manager I think tier three is high enough to meet that threshold in which you know we discourage wasteful water usage and they would still pay their fair share um this Pinkston admitted look yeah we we luxury had the luxury having lower rat for a while and they don't mind paying their part and it's but it's like ripping off the bandage of everything else we've done around here on rates it just hurts and so you know this is just a way of us making a little more palatable um I I don't I don't know what the numbers will be we really don't know till Florida roal water does theirs I'm just telling you if we took them all down the tier we took the tier three and four and five and made them all the same lost if our loss Revenue would be about $80,000 that's as far as I've got that's the best I can do at this point till Florida World water comes back in and say this that this what what I might add is is like Donald said is it's like when you're dealing with a loan with uh the srf loan it's like we mortgaged the house on these numbers for these loans and and now not any fault to theirs we're taking away this part of the uh revenue and I'm putting it over here and does it then affect my ability to still get these loans these are my 8020 split loans srf the low entrance that's what Dennis Davis and Florida R water is going to have to tell us um specifically Dennis because he's been the tip of the spear for from you know right Pier for all of our srf loans all of our Wastewater stuff and and I don't want to take up too much of your time but you got your hand out have somebody wants to okay I'm just kind of on a roll here so originally with the srf loans if you all know my desire had always been the weight Water waste water treatment facility right but we've learned since then that D and srf people will say look your wastewater treatment facility does need upgrading you've youve done pretty good job so far um basically you're 49% capacity your Pathways to get there is what you need to do and we are willing to make you that loan that 8020 loan at the low interest if you'll do that and if I say or y'all say well we want the weight WEA treatment facility we W care about how it gets there they're going to say sure find no problem either not getting the loan or two um you're not getting the 8020 relief right we'll give it to you low interest but you're playing full Freight so the there's a lot that's tied into this I mean it's complicated we've been working on it for we've been working on this srf loan since I came here um so it's taking us this long to get here we just finished what what part Donald the smoke testing and the uh right now driving around town is right pieron is a unit that goes around and they are caming every inch of the sewer and they're surveying it they're gising it and what will come back is a study that will give us a list of the most critical components that need to be repaired immediately and off of that priority list we'll come up with an amount of money and that'll be the second round of the srf and that'll be our ability to let's say get 10 million and 8 million of it vanishes like pardon my language like a fart in the Wind and we only have to pay back two million at an almost non-existent uh interest rate so you're getting a huge amount of infrastructure for a very little bit of investment and so right now is the study and identifying what are the most critical needs like Terry mentioned the plant or fug get like we've talked about and then off of that list the second round will come in we'll have to get reapproved through the whole process again and then that's for the greatest part of the loan that will then fix this stuff in real time and and this has been our strategy in in rebuilding this infrastructure uh that we have currently C we have no other strategy so I'm we have no other strategy I don't have I'll see able to say that other than if we lose this ability to get these srf loans we're living with what we got and because we can't afford $20 million for a new plan I can't afford $10 million for Lift stations rebuilds and Pathways and stuff that's $30 million um we can't do that and so decreasing down to $1 for tier four and five mhm is that still an increase in what they paid before oh absolutely or is it absolutely yeah so the ti are based on your amount of water usage yeah and recomendation instead of going down to a dollar from $3 I don't know if that's the actual figure it's okay instead of taking $3 down to $1 why not take $3 down to 150 instead of just well Florida roal water will come in here believe it or not make recom based on them what they okay yeah so then okay that really just sounds like we need to just kind of table this to a degree where we can get them to come in yeah to do their presentation so we can then decide from there yes and and for all for clarity uh when Miss Pinkston asked you know do I still need to come in I suggested yes because I still think it's a topic that we need to have the Forefront of what we're thinking about all the time and so we can talk about the process y'all can learn more we can learn more uh and they say hopefully before the end of febru we'll be able to come in with FL Ro Waters presentation right Pierce's presentation how it will affect us on our srf loans and my hope is of course you know I'm an optimist right my hope is is that by that by that's done they'll tell us look coming down to tier three for them or helping them out moving them down however you want to explain it is going to have absolutely no effect on your your processes through the srf loans or your processes on Capital Improvement you're going to be little under but still okay I think a lot of you are wondering why are we waiting on the Florida real water the answer to that question is this they put out an Outlook if you remember the graph from the workshop in 22 they give you where your onm you're operating your operations and maintenance budget is that's our day today and then they project out all the repairs that right Pierce has identified in the studies of what we have to do in the next 5 years the next 10 years the next 20 years and they calculate where are we on that and raising capital for that that's why they're essential and they have to study each system it'd be nice if we could do Bronson's rates are this and newberry's rates are that and we just be similar but that's not how that calculation works because for example if you look at Newberry they have less square mileage as an example they have a smaller footprint but they have a lot more density within that footprint so it's actually cheaper to run their system and then on top of it you have a higher customer based contributing so everybody has to contribute less where here in Williston we're really spread out our footprint for the waste water and water and there are fewer residents so each person has more of that pie so that's what Florida Rural Water does they come back give us what that picture looks like and then the kick of it of is they make the recommendation to d whether or not they think de should give us this loan so that's why it's important to get their input you guys took some of the recommendations in 2022 staff isn't against a reduction at all I want to make that clear we want to facilitate and help these businesses but the only thing staff has said is that we really need to get e uh Florida water and right Pierce is simply agree that it doesn't jeopardize what Terry talk about and I just think hang Mr pen I'm sorry just one moment I need you to state your name and residence please I'm Joel Penny I live 43 North Street so what I was saying is why can't y'all grant them permission to put a well in so it's not a bother to anything and then like McDonald's they have a well in to run their irrigation why was a question great idea but I think there's an so the answer the answer to this question that's a great question actually the answer to this question is because Wells now are regulated on what we call a b map if anybody's familiar with a B map it's the point system that municipalities counties and other types of governmental organizations that pull water out of the aquifer have to go by and D mandates that what we put in like the spray water from the sewage plant that's purified to what we take out and regulate out of the aquafer has to have have certain point systems they're trying to get everybody to get rid of septics and to get rid of wells and there is a national agenda and a Florida State agenda to do that so when you go to the health department and you put in permits through Swift Mud and D they're rejecting most of those and they're saying that if you fall within a service region it's not an option for you so it's not that we wouldn't allow them Williston wouldn't be the issue it would be D it would be Swift Mud it would be those regulatory agencies that would not allow it Miss oh no I was just saying that it's about understanding the information so with that being said I understand now we have to have more information B from somebody else big okay yes Miss Karsten would we need to can we just do a consensus to move this to another date once we get FL Florida water Ru Ru water it sounds like your city manager is already working on getting Flor Florida Rural Water and already working on this I don't think that you could consensus on that I think that staff has clear Direction on on moving forward with that path okay that okay yes absolutely this is just to start the discussion um I was hoping like I said full water would be here but um but hopefully thank you for the optimism February if not you know I'm going to call every week until we get it done it's my goal to get it on in February thank you I appreciate your time thank you you all right Item B discussion with possible action neglected animals in the city Diane Marchant and Teresa R okay hello my name is Diane marshan my address is 13750 Northeast 47th Place willston first I'd like to say the city of willston has a beautiful shelter facility that's well run and the animals are well cared for I've been a voice for the animals for about 15 years when I see something I say something and I follow up and let me be clear I am not affiliated with any rescue organization my goal is to help improve the lives of animals and strive for justice when animals are mistreated in December I put a complaint in and the dog that was tethered with no Shelter From the element and one dog when I went back and when I went back the next day the sto the dog did still did not have a shelter then I noticed three dogs in a kennel with one dog house so I proceeded to City Hall to speak with the Animal control officer Don Adams after our conversation I filled out a complaint form on these two cases for investigation the conversation with Don Adams how on how he handles complaints I inquired if he issues order to provide care when there is cases of neglect and cruelty Mr Adams did not know what that order was I also asked if rabies vaccines are enforced he replied he cannot make someone show him proof I since have reviewed the city ordinances and it is a violation of the city ordinances 5-22 which carries a civil penalty of $100 for all animals over four months of age they must have a rabies vaccine I was told there were about 3,000 dogs in the city of Williston and only 120 tags have been issued which leads me to believe that many of the 2,000 plus other dogs may not have a rabies vaccine has any citation for rabies ever been written and enforced in 2024 I don't know if that's a question anybody can answer now or not or should I just continue okay uh the day after my complaint I drove back to check if a shelter was provided for that dog as it was very cold and rainy and the dog was laying in the mud in the cold this is no way for any animal to be forced to survive I proceed it back to City Hall was and asked to speak with Mr Adams I waited at least 10 minutes in the lobby he came out was on his cell phone and said what do you want I told him I wanted to speak with him about the dog without a shelter he told me he was busy I asked him when was a good time to to speak with him he told me again I don't know and proceeded to walk away and left me standing there with no answer I then proceeded to the Wilston Police Department to see if they could help dispatcher told me that it's animal control issue so back I went to City Hall spoke with Laura Jones and Terry I explain my concerns about the lack of shelter and if anyone checks for rabies and tags when they go out on a complaint I was taken back when I was asked if I was a Williston resident I said no I'm a County resident and they asked why I was driving around the city looking to make trouble for people I again explained that was not my intention I was told the matter of proper shelter under 8 28.12 sufficient food water and shelter should have to be enforced by the willon police department and I was to see Chief rolls I went to see Chief rolls and explained the situation he proceeded to make some calls I assumed to the city and told me that it would be handled as the pastor would be providing a shelter I apologize to him for having to take him away from his duties to protect the citizens for a simple issue of a dog needing a shelter in the cold wet temperatures my opinion is this should have been handled by the Animal control officer the dog does now have a shelter thank you Chief rolls the other issue is the three dogs in a kennel one with a one dog house to share and just in case you want to see what that these animals live like three dogs and then there were four in one in one dog house um I was advised that the owners wanted to rehome the dogs and I should tell wi an animal group to contact the owners I wanted to clarify again I am not affiliated with any rescue and the owners should reach out to the shelter or rescue and ordinance and the maybe this should be considered a city shelter issue a week later when I drove by one of the dogs had a leg injury with blood visible I contacted Lord Jones on January 8th via email to please have an ACO check on the dogs I I as I have never been provided a phone number or email from Mr Adams as I had requested previously they said just call the city and they will transfer it to his extension I received an email from Laura Jones stating the dogs were going to be removed as soon as they could find a shelter with room consider this case closed my question is did the dog get medical help for the leg injury and did they go to the city shelter well you sent me the email told me the dogs were going to be removed that day not me I'm not Laura oh I'm sorry Laura Jones I I have the wrong glasses okay okay so anyway not each other by the way um so we don't know what happened to those dogs so I happened to been on Maran County Animal Services and I discovered that there were five dogs turned into Maran County shelter and I have these pictures if anybody wants them and uh these are the five dogs from the city so I inquired with Marian County Animal Services if those were turned in by the city of Wilson and they said they were they were turned in as Strays that somebody found them in Maran County so you you say they were turned in by Us Williston they said no they said they were turned in as Strays so I inquired if they were turned in but these are the will by by a Naomi Watson okay so naom Naomi Watson apparently owned these dogs two of the dogs were microchipped to will to Williston Naomi Watson so they told me that animal oh animal services in won were was called and they came and picked up the two dogs that were microchipped to wion so I'm not sure what happened there but whoever turned those dogs in lied to Marian County Animal Services and said that they were found in Marian County which is a no no as you would not want people picking up dogs in the county and bringing them to the shelter marrying to bring them to leaving so I don't know what happened there but maybe somebody should look into how those dogs got to marrying because they're aware that they were all you know part of a cruy case that I called okay so my other question is um according to the city ordinance 10 d3b the city employed Animal control officer shall successfully be complete a 40-hour standing trading course approved by faka which is the Florida Animal Control Association and must take continuing education every two years it is my understanding from faka that the city's Animal control officer is not certified and not able to even issue citations seize dogs pick up Strays or even interview citizens without the risk of civil liability to the city of wion and Bronson that's in your ordinances but I don't know why the Animal control officer is not certified I also understand that the city of Bronson has an agreement with the city of Willison for $883 a month where the state they entered a contract with an individual the Animal control officer and I have the the contract here I don't know why it would say an individual instead of the city whose duties include the administration and enforcement of Wilson's Animal Control Ordinance and to go on to say to engage the services of williston's Animal control officer for the purpose of enforcing codes and statutory Provisions but if he's not certified I don't know how he can enforce the enforce the laws how does that work so so Don are you certified are you certified and you start this week so didn't anybody know he wasn't certified Don when you get certified the answer yeah probably because of me any brought this up I also understand okay so now the city of Bronson has you know a contract with Williston do they even know he wasn't certified I was also advised by the clerk that in the year of 2024 in a city of of approximately 3,00 dogs there was not one case of Cruelty dog bites dog bites neglect inhumane treatment I I don't know how that could be what Latricia right I have her email that there was Zero complaints ofy in your main treat what what year 2024 okay that that's an amazing record I think you should share it with the other counties I asked the city ordance that having a certified ACO and more ordinances in place to ensure animals are treated according to the existing laws with the additional people moving into this area there will be a need for additional kind space does the city have any plans to start a lowcost spay neuter program for the residents and cut down on backyard breeders and accidental litters and the ever growing feral cat colonies and where where do people get information on whichin well well citizens can't do that that's only for the shelters so what I'm talking about if somebody has you know a resident has it those are only four shelter pets so if a resident needs a low cost pay neuter I think that maybe with the county they should try to yeah but it's not low cost to go to the vet but there's a lot of so maybe if you know in the feral Pat Colony go shelter or we take them I know we've taken quite a few right but maybe if they get a a lowcost bay neua program in place then it won't be all falling on the city I like the animals in the city have you know better state your name and where you're from sure we're building a house state your name and where you're from please I'm sorry Mary Lorenzi 4091 185th Street over here uh I have a peral cat problem 3:15 we're building a house 3:15 Southeast Fifth Street there was a whole call one you feral cats 4091 Northeast 185th Avenue in the county I sorry to say that's not okay I'm not okay that's just where I live I am building my husband and I are building a house to sell at 3:15 Southeast 5th Street in Williston Florida there was a feral cat problem I had over there I took care of it with Diane's help I asked Dawn Adams to help me he said I don't do cats I went down to and I said will you help me she said we have no room there is nothing I can do so I'm just I'm trying to be very nice but do not tell me that you folks take care of it because that is simply not true so I got traps took me seven weeks got cats trapped Diane and I took them down to Sheltering hands we paid for everything we released the cats back but I just want to clarify that we did it the city of willston said  not that I can tell you I can tell you I've done 30 in my neighborhood as well and I took them to Sheltering hands also because that's all you can't we can't do I didn't say we did the cats that we have in our shelter that are turned in that we pick up we do take and get fixed at UF chance that's what I said that's not what I said I understood yeah ma'am if you're going to have any further discussion discussion you need to go to m thank you okay so in the future if there's a shelter issue with dogs in the city who do I call City what you now when you say shelter what do you mean if they have no dog house they have no protection from the elements like rain how many dogs are out the Florida state statutes it said to who you call it which I told you you know five your complaints turn them in we would address them and I would have a record of that right which is what I was asking so that way we could address each one I did put in four complaint forms I I haven't seen it I told you oh yeah I got them at the meeting with you with you and with Laura Jones yeah and I got copies of them are there new ones or are those the same ones the same ones okay all right I apologize so okay any new ones you know I asked you to send them to me so I could track them so I'd have a better I haven't gotten new ones yet because I don't want to put in new complaint so I know where to put a complaint in well I mean I've been here 15 years I've never put a complaint into complaint like I said you get out of Complaint Form you fill it out as a matter of fact you wanted to add information to a complaint and I said no you can get a new one and and fill it out so I can track it so I would have a copy of it I mean I need paperwork obviously to do that an email doesn't work it has to be an official Complaint Form build out turn I was at originally I was never told that until I came into the city well do you I came in I just usually email Latricia and I was never told to put official complaint for now I know better yeah so let's let's we can now when I put official Complaint Forin on the bottom it says office use only isn't that supposed to be filled out after somebody verifies the complaint I have no idea because I can't see it from here but yeah that would be for us to F out yeah that would be for us what does it say so so here's what I'll tell you so yeah that's good you need to step back to the mic so we can hear you on the record that's all we need so so I I will tell you this is that you know when we we see a problem in wison in other words if we have a gentleman we've done two or three of them now at least I've been aware of um where we go find the person has a problem with the kennel or problem with the dogghouse or whatever like that you know our job to solve the problem not sight some citation and and put take money from that that doesn't solve the problem but did anybody have a conversation with these people yeah they've had conversation with the last one so but what I'm telling you the mayor the mayor the one that got the dog house and wasn't also the mayor was Mr battles I think was involved was not Mr battles involved the mayor was unavailable anyway he was out of commission yeah so there's multiple ways in the way we solve problems within the city you know when you when you enforce laws you know and and unfortunately I've got 34 years experience of law enforcement officer the job is to solve the problem not now if you got to take something to jail sign him a citation do whatever you want to do then that's fine when we issue a citation for a municipal code or a code violation it takes a totally different track than what a arrest would he does right um so you understand what the deal is that if we sign weite somebody a citation for a code violation or animal cruelty thing the city has to pay for the prosecution of that case so I have to pay the state attorney's office to prosecute that case the defendant goes in front of the judge and I have to pay for the court time the city we the citizens the taxpayers have to pay for that court time in front of that judge if the judge puts that person in jail right um we have to pay for his upkeep in the jail if that person gets injured in the jail the city is responsible for the medical bills of that individual while he's in the jail because it is a municipal case it is not a violation of Florida State Statute unless the chief chooses to turn it into one so it's a totally different venue Chief put's the highest medical bill you ever seen in jail hundreds of thousand so so my way of doing it and and it's not to upset people but but if I know that the mayor is going to graciously or Pastor battles is going to graciously or somebody's going to help help solve our problem by getting a dogghouse or doing whatever that that's the best thing for me that's educate yeah well nobody told me that these people have been educated so to me nobody went there I suspect that probably the gentleman that got the nice dog house been educated wow the people that took the dog thank you to me yeah well if I didn't follow up well no I think what I mean I cop I think you were copied in an email on this dog house right but I think you were copied back in an email I could be wrong were you not told yes yes I was okay but but I but there was no nobody told me that we've already spoken to them and and it's being handled so I spoke with cheap R well when we do like I said when you do the complaints we have the tracking process which obviously you know we're going to get better on there's always process room for improvement nobody's perfect right we're here for the same thing we want all animals to be safe right and be happy um unfortunately we have to look at things a little bit differently when I know that the citizens in this city are paying the tax bill for everything I just laid out I I want to get it corrected so and that well that would mean nobody would want to charge anybody with animal cruelty if they have to pay the bill Well ma'am let me ask you a question why would I want to if if a person doesn't understand what the Florida state statute is it's a job of a law enforcement officer to educate them on that process right that that is you do that by several ways right you you can speak to them talk to them give them written warning give them a verbal warning give them a flid state statute citation there's a lot of ways you can educate somebody on the process of the law when we educate somebody on the process of housing tethering I don't know that everybody around here knew you had to have a dog and he couldn't be tethered I know that right I don't know that the whole staff knew it you know um so but they got to have a kennel they got to have shelter I know that they got to have food they gotta have I mean everything you need for nourishment right you can't leave them out in the rain you certainly can't keep five dogs together how that lady took five dogs to Maran county is between her and Marian County it it but she lied whatever she does she she may have yeah I'm G tell you right now that's not on us yeah and I'll tell you why did Animal Control pick up two dogs from we probably talk to her and she Sol the situation and I don't know who she is she owned the so she must so we we understand how Maran County feels trust me when somebody shows up at our kennel and they say that they found this dog at wind Dixie and then they tell us they lied to us yeah you don't like it no I don't like it at all yeah yeah and anybody that told them to tell us that I got a problem with but maryan County's going to have to follow up on that so if these two dogs were registered to this natal uh Naomi um why did Animal Control the two do because two of them were chip they came back to the owner of that residence we went picked them up and brought him out to our chennel and not only did we do that I specifically had to make room for them out there because we are full right we have to don't tell the chief this we have to keep the kennel open for him in case he arrest somebody right I put one dog in that kennel that he's not going to be happy if this police officer arrest they got a dog and then he's going to be mad at me right so but I made a decision to put that dog in that kenel so we made room for him the city the the city taxpayers paid for the Animal Control Office to go to Marin pick up two dogs that weren't even the city's dogs I don't understand why they were the city's dog no they were they were Naomi Watson's do no they were chipped to the gentleman that lives here correct am I right Donald did she live in the city of Wilston okay so how did they get how did Naomi Watson get them maybe you can find Naomi Watson and ask like again we've heard about it tonight is be and like again that's Jones knows they were removed and in the case and it was handled and she told me the case was closed anyway so at this point has your questions been answered not really okay um so who do I have to go to for dogs without shelter now the city or the chief because it's it's you know yeah come come to us and we'll we'll work it out I mean I was told that not by faka that the Animal control officer can't do anything if you come to me city manager City will between now and February 28 I say you're not g be here that long between now and February 28th right I I will we will work it out I can assure you we will work it out I'm not going to let it dog thank you yes ma'am I I got dogs I love so you know pass this on you want to give those to me I'll be glad to take it yes ma'am all right thank you yes ma'am yes ma'am state your name where you from I'm Teresa ridinger and I reside outside of the county um but I'm a representative wag which is located at 1804 Southwest 18th Street here in the city um and one of our Mi part of our mission at wag is to improve the lives of dogs in our community um we're really proud to be a part of the fabric of Willison it really is a great town a great community of people who really support each other and help each other and we are so happy to be here um so but it is also our duty to highlight where we can do better to protect that and so the current ordinances that are on the book primarily deal with the rights of people and how animals bother people right it's nuisance law it's dogs causing problems for humans and there really aren't ordinances on the book that talk about how we should appropriately care for the animals um the many you know tonight while we're all here and enjoying the the heat there are lots of dogs out there in the city of Willison Tethered to a tree with no shelter with no heat and there I promise you there will be dogs dying tonight in the city of Willis it will happen because we know they're are dog tether and they have no means to get to shelter when they're stuck on a chain or a rope and they can't get anywhere but that five feet that's all they have that's the only option they have and they will die tonight and I understand it costs money to prosecute totally get that but if we don't prosecute people are going to continue to do these types of things with their animals if they think they can get away with it in the city of Williston and they don't think you're gonna they they just heard you say you don't want to prosecute they're going to keep doing it and animals are going to suffer in the meantime and I yeah I did I didn't say we wouldn't prosecute what I said was there's a better way of doing this and I'm sorry I may have missed it from the beginning you're speaking for wag yes sir okay yep um so you know we have personally witnessed situations inside the city limits where dogs were tethered without adequate shelter collars were embedded in the neck of the dog resulting in the dog's euthanasia dogs tethered and left Tethered to a tree with a heavy chain for the entirety of their lives in several of those situations we stepped in and took care of those dogs Animal Control was made aware of some of those situations actually several of the all three of those situations and made choices to talk to the people with no follow up and nothing was done and wag stepped in and we took care of this situation and it's not really Our obligation but we're not going to watch a dog suffer it's just not something we're okay with um obviously there are lots of other animals involved here it's not just dogs cats are often left to fend for themselves and they're breeding indiscriminately All Around Town Mandy is doing everything she can and it's a huge problem and I understand there's limited resources but I also think there are resources that we're not currently utilizing there are lots of other organizations that will help with Bayan neuter program not just for the animals that are being brought into the shelter but for people who have animals in the community who are allowing them to breed indiscriminately and if we' got them connected with resources they can get them fixed so that doesn't continue to happen um but part of that is education talking to people and and some enforcement to try to be the Pok with the stick to get them to do what we'd like them to do there's a stick and the carrot and if we only offer carrots and no sticks some people will not like um we can do more we can do some very basic things there are five basics of Animal Welfare they should have freedom from hunger and thirst they should have freedom from discomfort they should have freedom from pain injury or disease freedom to express their normal behavior and feedom Freedom From Fear and distress with some basic ordinance some of which exist on the state law that we can you the city can just choose to enforce and adopt is the anti-tethering laws that that Terry mentioned um research shows that tethered dogs become more aggressive and they are a higher bite risk which also causes liability concerns proper shelter for the weather that's waterproof the proper size up with a protected entrance proper bedding location for wind protection and access to shade in the summertime um proper feeding we are seeing emaciated dogs every day dogs that would make you cry because they are staring every day and it's happening in and it's happening in we County um dogs are are not being properly treated for injuries and illnesses they're being left to suffer with injuries and illnesses so we as a community need to step up and treat animals better in this community and encourage our neighbors to do the same and for some of those folks who are not interested in doing it we've got to use the stick instead of the carrot there are resources available and and I think as a group as a community we could come together and come up with some Creative Solutions so if we actually enforce the ordinance that says they're supposed to have a rabies vaccine and without it they get they get a fine what if we made a a situation where we offered them instead of paying that fine if you voluntarily get your animal Fayed or neutered we'll wave the fine if if they don't have their rabies vaccine and you issue them a citation you can get out of the citation if you willingly spare our neuter your animal again there are Creative Solutions out there and available and there's there's resources um and there are some lowcost SP neuter programs we we have to come together as a community to make this happen um we have a grant right now to spay and neuter animals and we are specifically targeting people who would never bother to take their dog to the vet we go to them we pick the animal up we take it and we bring it back fixed because they will not take the time to take their own dog to the vet but at least we can prevent puppies because we have plenty and we don't need anymore so those are the kinds of things we need to try to we need to try to help people make their decisions when they're not making good decisions on their own um they're one of the the problems that's going on in the community right now we're getting a lot of phone calls from people who want us to go pick up stray dogs either because they can't get an answer they're not hearing back from people and it's on the weekend I personally have called the police station on the weekend to say there's a stray dog out here and the police department will tell me they have no way to contact animal control over the weekend I asked the dispatcher what are you going to do if I call you about a tiger in the street somebody's going to get over here yes it's a dog this time but next time it could be something more serious and in some cases these dogs are running in traffic which is a danger to humans but Animal Control wasn't available so um I I have been involved in several of these phone calls because I work at the kennels on the weekends I frequently have people stop by they've got a dog they picked it up off the street what's happening right now is I understand you don't want County dogs the county doesn't want City dog I don't know where the line is and I would be would be shocked if everybody in this room knew where the line was between the city and the county if you're someone who lives near the line you probably know where that line is you might not know where the line on the other side of the city is so we are asking citizens to tell us whether the dog's in the city or the county but nobody knows where the line is I mean you know when you're in that moment you don't go pull up a map and try to figure out where the line is we we're also asking visitors to this County to figure out where the line is they're driving through they see an animal they do the right thing they stop and try to help it they call in the city says call the county the county says call the city and the person is stuck with the dog and then they finally get somebody to agree to take it and they show up in their driver's license says they're from Maran County and they're told take it to Maran County well the dog doesn't live in Maran County the dog's in Ley County so everybody's kind of pointing all these citizens every which way and they are frustrated so I would also encourage everybody to get together and figure out a way are reasonable way to help citizens get help when they're trying to do the right thing because the alternative is and one not the city but the county um told someone to turn the dog back loose so I'm telling you now that if you turn the dog back loose number one it's not legal number two if that dog gets hurt and it was actually somebody's and they find out the county said to turn it loose somebody might get sued so those are the types of that is incredibly frustrating to the population we are even getting phone calls at wag saying my neighbor's dog bit me what do I do well I'm not animal control and then we're we're just getting a lot of very frustrated phone calls with people unable to get help because they're kind of being pointed in six directions and not given any help we understand the shelters are full we are too um however we don't have a problem helping with stray dogs we just can't legally be the ones to pick up a stray dog that has to be processed through the city or the county because there's legal ramifications the city and the county have a 72-hour hole for stray dogs as a private group we have them a longer hold we can't pick them up and turn them around in 72 hours so then we're forced to hold dogs for much longer so if the city and the county will help pick them up we don't necessarily have a problem helping take them we just can't be the ones to process them into the system question I think so well before you get too far along you have some question um I didn't get who you were speaking to because I was writing down this Mar uh letter so I I apologize for that finding outa I can see your Shir wag yeah so you know I I just want to say you know over the years the city has relied on wag to do great marful things and y'all helped out since I've been here since 2019 has been very pleas y all taking dogs we didn't have we didn't have a shelter you know um you know I I think probably it may be the best thing to do is we can if the council um wishes us to do this to come together come up because I'm be honest a lot of things you're talking about tonight I don't know um and I would love to sit down and spend some time talk to you all that um you know and I don't want to bore the council with legal of why we can't take dogs they know why we can't take dogs that aren't from the city we know legal for do um but you know if y'all want to S out and talk about this I'm always more than happy to do it um but I don't think we're going to resolve it here tonight as the mayor said we have a lot to work on um and and not just our side I think everybody has some some things to work on um that if y'all want to set up a meeting great I would love to get a never ending meting meeting date that just pops up and we sit out talk about problems and stuff um it's sure a lot better to do that than it is to stand here I would be happy to be involved in that meeting if possible since Terry is leaving I can maybe be the conduit to carry it from Terry to our manager yeah and and I I get your passion I really do I mean I have I have love them I don't have any yeah but like I said um I think it's a great idea for Miss Martin to be involved in it and somebody that care on the torch after the 28 to educate the city manager what the process is because when that person gets in there like right so thank you I'll turn it back over before you go a lot of people don't realize that I'm an animal Advocate we do I was on my way back from the doctor tonight and I frankly did not know I had heard about leash log but I've never seen it promoted uh and I passed by Fourth Street and Second Street where I turn to go to my house to avoid the other direction the seven Street nightmare uh and there was a bulldog chained to a tree with a 4ot chain and I told my wife being a man of action if that dog is there tonight in the freeze I'm going to take a pair of boat cutters and cut him free and take it that's illegal thank you attorney I didn't say I did it I just said what I said so we have a real problem I don't know if our Animal Control needs help if we need to get a a line to be able so people can reach us and we can then begin to assess just how bad the problem is but I wasn't looking for trouble I was back coming back from the doctor and there this poor animal was and he looked like he' been a long time resident so so we have work to do we do what I'd asked Mr mer you would please get with uh and I forgotten all about it until she start yeah we'll let we'll let him handle it if you don't mind and I don't think that people knew that they needed to fill out a formal complaint form because we've been calling in with problems for you do but I but I'll be honest with you we we've had an M we've had a informal pick my words correctly relationship with wag for a long time where it's you know um we have this Communications back and forth right so not saying that everything y'all do we're happy with not saying everything we do you're going to be happy with but you know what I tell my staff that you're not going to do everything's going to make me happy and I'm not going to do everything going to make you happy but we got to learn to live together and work together and that's all I'd ask for um you know so um and have and let mayor let Don handle this so please please I don't going to get arrested by my friend Miss blue we need do we need to do we had a discussion pretty much I it item C hypothetically I could have a pair of B Cutters all right item C please uh Mr President item C discussion with possible action appoint community redevelopment agency board member is anybody doing that for Laura yeah I'm I'm going to do at least make an attempt at doing it um so uh obviously you were looking at appointing um course you is out so we're going to longtime CRA board member m Mr Nick will you know resigned the staff opened up submitt of applications for two months uh chapter 18 of the city code ordinance mandates the appointments of these members and basically section 18. 53 uh we need to appoint of the successor um by the council after the initial term of his appointment as insired the successor commissioner shall be appointed by the city council and will hold the office for a term of four years once the board member is chosen staff will bring a resolution back in front of the city so I guess in this particular case we have two individuals we need to choose a new CRA board member and they are Mr I hate to say this H hogin he here tonight what is it actuallyy I'm sorry ma'am I apologize how you pronounce that good evening Mary hopan H a o I thank you ma'am and the other a applicant is a Mr bom bonato start to feel like the mayor so I see only one has shown up well apparently so to me when they show up and um that shows it the here I'm not saying the other person doesn't know but we got not so nice weather she showing up she was over at the rib cut so I move that we appoint Mary he hegan hopan to the Redevelopment agency Redevelopment next your time second all right we got a first got a second any other discussion all in favor say I I those oppos no five congratul welcome aboard thank you very much I appreciate the opportunity all right item D resolution 202- 12 the resolution of the city of City Council of the city of Willison establish an authorization for the Willison city council president to sign EST establishing fire inspection prevention and protection Fe Mr Lamar yes sir first let me start off by saying uh I know where our city limits are been doing this long enough to where I know exactly where they are um you know you know it's not when Dix when Dixie is in the city I do know that okay yes last I heard one and the new one so uh what you have before you tonight uh Danny Wallace is recently we've been moving stuff around we move fire inspections under the fire department department where we've needed to have it for a while and one of the first things we picked up on was we have not established or not updated our fire inspection fees in some time um and and what brought this to light was when we were doing an inspection on a commercial style building uh of of X number of square feet we discovered that uh if if it was uh a four or 3,000 or 4,000 ft building we were charging the same thing for a 24,000 foot building uh we would charge the same thing for this building that we would charge for a small commercial building and and you know that just doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense when our inspector spends a lot of time on a larger commercial style building um than he would on a small building so what we did is we went around to the area some of the smaller towns and some of the largers and looked at what they did and we come up with a fee schedule rule that was before you we think it's fair um we tried to keep it fairly simple um and that's where we're at right now okay y resolution that we approved resolution 20252 I second all right we have first we got a second any other discussion H all right all those in favor say I I I those opposed 5 Z thank you sir all right item e resolution box Enterprises to manage the fpap grant number P and Paul 25085 for conelius Williams Park Recreational facilities and providing an effective date M Jones who is not here yet yes um so I guess it come back to me so as you know their the f app gramp is one one of the grants we got to for K William Park I apologize I don't know the total number of it um but this is asking for as you read for um yes what's the gentleman's name again Fred FRP yes to help us manage that Grant um and and to and I'm assuming y'all already approved theant or you would I'm sorry Terry um Donald's G to speak on no I don't think it's that appr proov it's that one of the ones we putting in for fap well you take take your lead buddy it's just um so you're going to see a couple of fur apps from Laura it's part of the comprehensive plan for the parks this is one of the first ones that we're applying for they opened up and they changed heard that from my understanding there are a couple of new opportunities used to be when we had received Cornus Williams the amounts went up to like 250,000 but you could do one then they lowered the amounts down to smaller manageable amounts but they were still under under one now I think they've opened it up where they're doing multiples that are allowable now except that the amounts have actually gotten slightly higher not as high as they were but so this is the first of many I believe that she's applying for we have to designate the park this one's for corus Williams there's more that we're going to be applying for for John Henry erson and a few others but this is permission to basically give this contract to Fred Fox Enterprises so that they can apply for it manage it and then if we receive it obviously at that time you guys would agree to accept it but this is asking for us to go out and utilize them for the F so they're applying for $5,000 Grand I don't believe this is uh this one is 5,000 yes so this was this is going to be project speciic specific this is going to be some sort of function that they have over there as part of the plan so Fred's amount is not 5,000 no I I think it's 5,000 from the grant that's the cost that that's what he'll be getting 5,000 again I don't know the specific I just know that we've talked about multiple grants and this is one of them that you'll see I think the amount is much higher but I think he gets you have to agree to pay him so much out of what's awarded yeah it's it's on page 24 it breaks down where so the grant is not $5,000 no this is compensation it's on page 24 right the government agrees to pay the grants in the following and it's in a certain amount at each time totaling $5,000 there it's his anount for administration for yeah ad okay because I was confused I'm like okay the grants $5,000 and this being SP nothing's going to work no no okay it's it's a substantial amount I if and don't count on this but I think it was around 50 to 75,000 for corn Wing don't quote me on that but I believe it was within that range when understand now Mr Bishop the figure the figure talking about usually three to six% of said Grant is what Mr Fox would receive at that point in time okay how that usually works three to six depending on the grant you go after all right thank you all right other questions anything he need to stick to lot I thought he had I make a motion that we approve resolution 20253 all right we got first got a second any other discussion all right done CN none I move to vote all in favor say I I I those opposed 5 all right item F resolution 20 25-14 a resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida establishing authorization for the city of Willison to approve purchase of complete water meter boxes for inventory and providing an effective date Mr Jason Lee logistic manager yeah I'm try on aage I can this so um you know we talked earlier Jason and I asked you get a account on hand and did we do that yes and we have how many we have approxim I 50 50 okay and then our lag time for getting these they range on some books they have in stock granted these quotes are a couple months old now probably trying to get for a while now um so we're probably looking at if they have them four weeks they don't have them 36 okay and so we're also we have committed how many of these to developers moment these are the water met no meter okay thank so uh Town Homes is not doing 58 58 so 58 are automatically going to the town halls and I will tell you that routinely the way we do this is we get the money up front and we never have the discussion on the town homes ones uh but they will get 50 of them we will get reimbursed for them um and so there's going to be an offset I was just informed by Mr Barber that they've already paid even better so so how many how many you asking for because I just don't want to look believe there it says 144 144 so basically we'll have 95 left over 90 of them left over how many do we go through a year that's hard to tell but I can tell you we had two pallets that was to of 48 boes coming in November and currently we approximately that is what we Curr fromin 48 that came that so these are just boxes that you put meters in these are the um industrial boxes that are pretty nice they also come all the complete FS they're blue and you can literally run them over with a truck yeah and you can't tear them up excuse me say that again because I missed all of that I apologize it is the industrial plastic boxes as said you can run over truck appreciate but they don't have any meter they do not have but it has all the parts which would be the yolks which hold meter in place all the vales that come out so what is it lacking what is missing water met separ do not Prov ex and they're all com they're like I question yes sir we had a great deal of discussion on I don't know all the AC had a great deal of discussion on Switching meters over to meters that system Ami huh Ami thank you Miss these are Ami compatible thank you they are these that's what I'm right now they're what they call ERT which is a radio transmission but at any time these are all that we're buying now currently can be switched over to Ami thank you Mr Barber because I know your idea of the Ami was a wonderful idea and I wanted to make sure we weren't throwing money the other direct and then have to remove all of these to do the Ami Ami comp thank you good who right Mr Lee could you bring the microphone a little bit closer to your mouth so the can pick you up please thank you welc just for the council's um information we spoke earlier uh today and the I just want to make a a quick clarification on your resolution it says not to exceed 55,000 as you all know because we got the quotes we going to not exceed 25,000 but that doesn't include what you've already been paid by developer so it it can exceed 25,000 if you've received over 25,000 from the developer so the 58 that have already been paid for that that won't factor into your policy so I just wanted to make sure that we're clear on Mr you have anything no all right so can I get a approve resolution we have a first we have a second any other discussion no all right 10 n we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those opposed 5 Z all right item G resolution 202-1550 City Council of the city of Willison Florida establish an authorization for the city of willston to approve the purchase of Neptune water meters for upcoming developments not to exceed 30,000 and providing an effective date Mr Jason um so with these water meters there is only one quote for them that is because these come from only one company they're the only ones that produce our neun meters ion compatible um we are I'm trying to see about getting a p uh because we burn through these quite quickly the number I gave earlier about the 50 that was actually water meters I just understood that we have approximately 50 of those on stock right now and I can only order currently with my purchasing AG 60 at a time I'm trying to get a pallet because 58 of those are about to go out the door to the town homes and on top of that we burn through them quite regularly for repairs maintenance purposes and as somebody that used to be a meter in the field a lot of those meters out there are damage scratch or they just need he's already answered the question with on hand lack time and committed which he's covered there is one other thing with these meters um the company that we go through to so provider of these they take quite a while on average it is a six month wait time to even just get 60 of them and then when that 6 months comes around they tell me it's been extended another six months so we're looking around 10 to 12 months dep and you have to pay for them before they shift uh we pay for them when we receive okay so we don't have to wait a year and we' already okay all right anybody else got any questions Donald do we know that as lar paid for these also or do we know yes sir so I believe lar has paid for the gas fee that they opted out of yep and I believe they've paid for their water fees and their tap fee okay so I believe on the town homes were caught up on all the preliminary stuff I think they had to do that um in order to be in compliance with the developers agreement okay which our attorney kind of helped us with that no I just wanted to get it on the record thank you Donald thank you move res that we approve resolution 20255 a second all right first we got a second any other discussion seeing none move to vote all in favor say i i i a vote 5 Z all right resolution 2025-the the purchase of itron water Meer SS to continue effective services for inventory and not to exceed 22,000 and provid an effective dat Jas Le once again there's only one quote for these because it does come only one company um there's a waiting list to get with these and the price keeps going up originally when I started buying these when I started here they were $92 a piece I believe on the quote they're $116 a piece now um price is rising the list is getting longer for them and they are needed in order to provide um effective meter reading Services it make it a lot easier on the mountain field just click the button reads Forum easy um I'm trying to get this that way I can have with a complete meter set with those 144 meter boxes and meters that have P okay just same same thing how many got on hand we know we currently have I believe 48 on hand okay and how many are committed or 54 uh 58 and then blackon said it I thought it it varies honestly depending upon how many you're going to order I have never placed in order this big form so I have no idea typically on average for me for I can only typically get around 80 at a time um typically Tak around two three months and I I don't know if Steven's on the line but I talked to him earlier today he said he may be on the line if you have any questions to him um and these are some of the questions we Council any other questions no okay I make motion that we approve resolution 2025 I second all right we got a first we got a second any other discussion no all right all in favor say I I I those opposed it's 5 Z all right resolution 20257 a resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida requesting authorization to purchase 100 complete gas meters at a total cost of 37,7 $182 and not to exceed 40,000 and provide an effective date Mr Jason Le So currently in inventory we only have 25 of these gas meters we had a large stock pile they are burnt through uh for clle and also maintenance we go through on average around 30 to 40 of these gas meters a year to replace old infrastructure the other thing too is I put them as complete gas meters because we found a solution rather than having our guys spend the time assembling making meter Loops there are prefabbed ones that we buy now that have less parts that can fail it's a lot easier to install and takes a lot less time and money I just out of curiosity as we move forward you mentioned that you were replacing old infrastructure so what is what is old what is like of the ones that we would be purchasing what's their lifetime so gas unlike the water um and the electric uh is not paid for by developers or for anybody that would create something gas is something that we have to provide for them as far as the meter set there's never going to be any reimbursement for that that's first secondly every year we have an annual inspector come in from um the Public Service Commission uh Terry and usually we Loop in one of the council members it was Mr Bullock before he left his seat this year that came in and sat with the inspector and went over the report as to what was going on uh they give us a list of gas meters that they're concerned about and so what we typically do is we go in the meters that we're talking about were probably put in 70s to the 1980s and if we're lucky we'll have enough to change out some of the ones from the 1990s another essential reason for doing this is because there's no way of hering those old meters the newer meters when we get it replaced we can take off the face plate pop a new one on and now that's a radio read as opposed to to having to actually go into backyards with dangerous dogs and all that kind of stuff so it does it does quite a bit for us also keep in mind with all of these meters there is actual saving because if you were to talk to a consultant whenever you put a new meter in meters slow down over time right so they don't accurately give you you know over time it doesn't get 100% of the water it doesn't get 100% of the gas it doesn't get 100% of the electric that's why people hate us because we go and we put a new meter in their house and their power bill goes up and they're like why and it's because it's slows down over time so you will actually get a little bit of Revenue back each and every time we replace them how often our meters change only when they break seriously right now because of Maintenance and Staffing levels is typically when they break or they have a leak or they have an issue um we would like to get more into the preventative but you see how much that costs that's kind of what prevents us it's not a lack of time and effort it's the expense um that's why when we talk about Ami why we talk about it millions of dollars because to initiate that program basically means changing out almost every meter and every service we provide up to a certain age um and that's how they calculate your savings within that so and where is this money coming from um okay so so this yeah so the money that we're spending here you know is is is coming from our attempt to put back money to build off Capital product so in other words if we were if we were going to say okay at the end of the year you know we want $500,000 I'm just picking a figure $500,000 in the bank for Capital Improvement project you know as we pay these projects going forward that is going to lower that amount of Revenue that we expect to have in the capital Improvement project because these are unfunded items that we need to replace um it will come from utilities okay but so so it's but it's not like I have a line item budget I can go to I mean I can sure I can pick a couple of them that that make them very unhappy but it will it will end up like in I'm going use our syncing funds as an example it will end up reducing those sinking funds in the sense of we'll have to pull this money out of something and so that's probably the capital money we're trying to save you know or even our um for our audit we want our reserves to be you we're currently 1.5 million in reserves in the Utility Fund we would like to be at 3.5 our goal would be two million or 2.2 right uh for next year well it's probably now going to be two milon because we're spending $200,000 on the Su so it's it's coming out of something um it's going to come out of the revenue that we're putting back in savings to approve on Capital approvement project but we have to do these projects now I trust them that they say they need a 100 um they need 100 the gas meters are a little different the sense of unfortunately we don't charge you to put them in we don't charge you for the meter correct me if I get wrong here and then basically our hopes is you'll take gas service right do whatever or if we have a developer comes in and let's say CU these are I don't know what's the cost here again 70 30 40,000 so we have a development comes in and and we say look we want you to put in gas they choose not to we give them the buyout option and they write us a check for $52,000 or 12,000 or they can put gas in which is what we hope because then that's a revenue stream for years and years and years and years our goal is to talk them into gas appli and put in gas so we can put iner the only thing we don't do now we're not putting in the gas infrastructure good line how much a check they right after $179,600 just to clarify these are the these are compatible so these meters they have a basic face on them you can remove it and next item on the agenda is actually and Miss H did that answer your question barely okay [Music] away I'm glad you're joking all right any other questions I'll take make motion that we approve resolution 2025 oh sorry wait 17 got hope I'll say got a first got a second any other discussion anybody out there all right all we're going to move to vote all in favor say I iose 5 Z so Mr President Canon I ask the question is Sten online Aaron or not okay does diven want to comment or not want to make sure I got it right I me I'm pretty good with it but all right Stephen you should have it uh good evening can you hear me yes we okay yeah so the city manager was exactly correct with the statement but I only thing I wanted to add is each one of these divisions of sorts these services that do have a material and supplies line item that would cover some of this um but what's going to happen is anything that's not covered in their individual budgets or reimburse back from developers will be covered in a line item called contingency um and as as Terry mentioned that contingency was was in the budget as a goal uh to uh replenish your reserves to the extent um that this money um utilizes or eats into that contingency you will not have have as much available uh to put back into the reserves so that's that's kind of you know the upside is is we were able to put that contingency there we knew when we did that we would probably need to eat some of it uh the hope is is that you know what's on hand with these meters plus with being added Gets You Through you know the year and then some and then you know you can get some additional Revenue back from it all that will kind of go all the way back down to the bottom line is but um for each one of these Services your bigger picture what the Auditors have told us uh several times is you've got to get the reserves built up that's the only downside to this is it does possibly eat into that goal basically same thing with this absolutely just in in a fancy my fancy way thank you sir any other questions all right we'll move to the next one letter J resolution 20258 a resolution of the city council of the city of wellison Florida requesting authorization to purchase 144 gas meter Earths at a total cost of $2,240 and not to exceed 15,000 and provide an effective date Mr Jason Lee so these are the gas erts they are once again s providers so there's only one quote for them um I have allows us to read The Meters really fast really easy and they do it accur so they have a long sh so when they're driving around and the little buggy there yep you press one button and because of our system with how it is in ion um it picks up water Gas and Electric all the above with one press of a button if they have all ER on their house makes a lot simpler especially with the growing city that we have with clle in the 58 homes and everything those are all ER press the button and captures all of that saves us a lot of time all right very good microphone please this will pick up all three meters at once yes if your meters are ERT meters if you're some there are some meters in the city that are old for example on the gas side they cannot be replaced because the faces are not compatible with the gas erts in which case we have to replace that meter slap it in easy fix same thing with electrical meter the ER or the the electrical meter the ones that we get now have the ER is that the reason you're ordering 144 yes we we do not really have any left over especially what we currently have in stock and these ones have even longer wait time last time I checked it's a year to get more I assume 144 a pet um 144 so there's typically per box I think I think there's 24 per box couple just a couple of boxes especially with Ong devel I know there's not other the discrepancy in the two numbers is we have a lot of uh meters that have already been put in that are compatible but we didn't get the Earth with them so the reason why you see 100 on that because that's how many meters we need but the reason why you see the 144 on that is so we can catch up on getting them updated but in doing that that's not going to allow you to have a surplus on hand though right okay thank you sir anything no sir I'm I'm good thank you all right Council move resolution 2025 5 18 be approved I second all right we got a first we got a second any other discussion all right seeing none move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos 5 Z all right item K resolution 2025-the the purchase of 192 residential electric meters for continued services not to exceed 16,000 and providing an effective date Mr Jason Lee so these electric meters they do have the erts built in that's beautiful for that um I would like to State due to numbers that were given to me by Electric supervisor we burn through about a hundred of these a year with Replacements ones that get damage due to storms and whatnot and on top of that development I had approximately I think I had about 144 in warehouse at the beginning at January of last year excluding SE because they had their own meters that were purchased for them we are currently down to 75 me is what we' burn through that time frame and um how long is the turnaround time for these turnar around time I'm going to say from what it was originally it's probably about five or six months okay all right so what's the difference in the previous meters and this meter so the previous meters are clock dials you have to go up you have to learn how to read these ones they are digital it actually shows the reading and they're also picked up by our iton techology the ones that you're ordering yes currently yes okay it speeds up the meter reading process so we do have to go out and double check we don't have to stand there for two minutes trying to read the clocks figure out what it is I'm still confused so so the ones in the first two um resolutions they're digital I mean they're okay so the difference that you're looking for is so Neptune and what we call American gas meters are companies that produce a broad platform and there are certain functions that you can upgrade in because they offer them to all different types of systems okay the Earth function on that the water meter the Neptune comes with a cord and you have to buy the Earth to plug it in it's an it's basically an additive and then for the gas you have to take off the old face and replace the new face with the electronic component the electric meters that you're seeing the reason why there's no additional her in those is because everything is built in and now they don't offer electric meters for my understanding without the Earth function because all the power companies have gone to that system so hopefully someday the water meters and the gas meters would be the same but as of right now those Industries haven't caught up and mandated what we call that radio frequency device yet so that's why it's not integrated into it okay and with the electric with the electric meters they also LCD screens so much easier to read and comprehend in the technology is past what we're doing what we're leading them to do right now okay so the grow with us okay thank you so committed how many do we have committed for these things 58 of them 58 of them okay and then and I know we're almost to the end of like the utilities department running the bank um with every little bit of money we have but I think the one question I do have is that um um the time spent for us to handre water meters and meters and all that stuff I mean we're sending double cheing the whole nine yards I mean I think it's four or five days Am I Wrong 14 14 days calendar days uh 10 actual work days we have two meter readers one in the gas division one in the Water Division they are full-time for those entire 10 days or those two weeks and what happens is is basically there's nine routes they break them up one of them has five routes with a couple smaller books the other one has four routes with a couple the larger books equals out to the same the lowest uh route that we have has approximately 280 M on it but it's super spread out it covers the airport and a bunch of other things that's book nine and then some of the dense routes have upwards to 440 reads so they have to go out they have to read that that takes approximately a day and a quarter day and a half sometimes um when they're done with that they input the information a recheck account through Selena is accumulated they before they start the next book they get that they go in they immediately do the rechecks that's the system automatically Flags anything that just doesn't seem right or is a bit off um and so that process from start to finish for two employees for approximately or approximately 80 hours uh is is what we're in and as we grow the only way we've been able to combat that and not increase the staff and increase the time for that is this technology the more we integrate this Tech technology into this the better um so that's kind of how so with the a am system did I say that right we would have them completely as technicians working on repairs all the time and there would be no meter readers okay that was my question so are they going to be out of a job no no no no the other two weeks they're repairmen they're leak repairs they're their meter replacement I mean once the system we get the other system we're able to get Ami or hoping a year or two if we're able to do that pursue that any one of you folks here that live here as residents would not need a meter reader because you would go on an app or on your computer sign into your account and it would tell you in real time that moment what your gas meter read is and how much you've used what your power read is what your water read and by proxy your sewer it would tell you exactly your bill and some of the am Ami systems even have a function where you could set your power to give you an alert when you reached $100 so you could know whether or not you need to start cutting back so that you know what you're going to want to spend that month so what is going to happen to their job they're still going to have them because instead of two weeks of doing repair work they're going to be just do the entire and that's why we cross train okay they have the same licenses that they're required to have as any of the other technicians as just primarily two weeks out of the month every month they're dedicated to metery okay just making sure we're not knocking somebody out of a job we're not that was one of the main things that I said when we first discussed Ami that my goal was it eliminate jobs build put them back in the workforce doing the jobs that we need the whole point of Ami is that not only was as Donald said you can see that but it makes our part here a lot easier because we can see that we do your bills that way the uh her um yeah if we had everybody on these things I I I get you cut the 14 days down to five maybe yeah so so we sa some labor in a roundabout way and get them doing some of the things we want them to do the city that are not being done it mainly saves for accuracy I mean when you're a human looks at this stuff we make mistakes but when you have the earth and the controller It generally doesn't precipitate any kind of recheck unless they've had some crazy amount of usage and then that's good because we find out they have a leak or something's going on so we can notify the customer or on our end fix a problem but it takes out the human effect basically is what it awesome thank you any other questions Council no all right make motion that we approve resolution 20259 second all right we have a first we have a second any other discussion all right those in favor say I I those oppos no all right it's 5 Z thank you Council thank you thank you all right item L resolution 20 25-22 a resolution of the city council of the city of Williston Florida electing to send out an RFP for the renovation project at the Williston municipal airport and authorizing staff to return with the results of such FRP authorizing appropriate parties to sign any documents required and to execute such action on the behalf of the city of Willison and provide an effective date Cura below so I'm going to let Bon talk about this one thank you K uh so some of the council may be aware that we've uh completed a new terminal building and we have some issues with the the old terminal building um now once we were once we were really moved in we've always kind of had some water issues here and there in the old building um and once we moved into the new building it allowed us to explore those a little further um and in doing this we found a a few issues um and we' we've brought a few of those issues in the past you know the council's approved a roof prare for that building uh because we thought that the water was coming in from the roof Ro and the gutter system and you know it turns out that it appears as though there might have been some value engineering when the building was constructed um and a a waterproof layer was not necessarily added behind the stucco um so anywhere that there is a crack in the stucco there's water intrusion in the old building um this has permeated to a lot of other issues as the building is a red Iron building and there's steel studs in the walls and a lot of those begin to rust out so long story short this RFP is something that we are sending out to allow contractors to U bid on a scope of work to facilitate repairs to the old terminal building so that we can rent out those five offices um you know keep the building and ran out those five offices as commercial uh you know commercial use at the airport still um I don't think this is going to be a a cheap job by any means um but our intent in the scope of work is actually to make the facade of the old building match the facade of the new building as far as metal stonework and everything so um you it's it's a pretty in-depth scope of work and I apologize to the council that we we didn't catch that um the actual RFP didn't make it onto the agenda but you do have a copy in front of you now um so if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them okay question so we're still having roof leaks it's not necessarily groups okay um so if if you would like to come by sometime Mr Cox I I'll walk you through the building okay um there are there are spots inside the building that staff like airport staff and a contractor and I have actually like watched water coming through the walls um you know as it's raining so um it it's cracks and stucco it's not the roof that we just had put in like there's just there's a lot of a lot of cracks in the stucco and you know the way they built the building and they put the the seams in the stucco and then now there's cracks right where the seamwork is it's rough so just the little tidbit here you know so I went out there and met with bent and looked at the building you know because I to was thinking roof you know what what deal with the roof and he's accurate the roof's not leaking any longer you can literally go outside and see where the cracks are in the building and fall back inside and see the water damage inside from where that crack is so um it was just poor crack okay and to add to the for craftsmanship the company that built it is not really business anymore what year was it I believe 2009 out of business pretty quick where is the money going to come with from the airport budget it will yes ma'am um and you know I haven't we we don't know what the price tag is going to be um but you know after after all the planting and stuff is done out of the airport I do think we will have enough within the airport budget to facilitate this obviously depending how much it cost um you know Terry and I did have a very brief discussion that you know I said why don't we just bulldo it Terry was like no so um but U we have done things in the past like the airport has you know been given a loan from the general fund to facilitate things like this when it doesn't have it in the account per se so there there a bunch of ways that we can tackle it in the event that the airport doesn't have it but I believe the airport does this time is there anything like fix a brick that you do until get it fix say again no like F flat is there anything for the brick that you can Flex yeah Flex whole building yeah absolutely until you can actually get it fixed keep it from like if you go out there it's crazy to look at it they and I'm assuming the drywall still cut back the holes are still are the holes Cut Above now the drwall cut out above the holes the holes still there um in in some places it's still it's still above the holes but in most of the places you can see um you can see the damage that's already done it's it's pretty rough and the the other partment signs is that I would be hesitant to to bandaid it um and allow people to use use the space um and the reason I say that is because if you let's say we have somebody move in um they're a commercial operation and they put their computers you know up against those walls that are leaking and it fries their whole system because everything saturated um knowing that there was a leak even if we made them sign a waiver that there was a leak we could we could be liable litigation so no I I didn't mean for you to bandid it and then allow somebody to move in but like band-aided until you can actually get it totally fixed to keep it from continually cause more damage is what I was asking I got you okay so yep ideally we're going to put this RFP out and within 30 days have bids and be able to turn around and make a decision and bring it back to you guys so within I'd say within six months we would like to get repairs like all right so miss just need question the C I presume that you drafted this since your name on it the agenda item I drafted the RFP I reviewed okay so my question is I understand all of it but this particular resolution is asking the council to agre agree to let them sign any documents to execute the action but shouldn't they see the RFP before they give permission to execute a contract so that's it's just sign the the RFP itself and to to verify that it's not to accept any of the bids it's just anything else that needs to be signed say it again it's not to accept any of the bids um that's our standard language just for what's being approved and all that's being approved in here is the RFP so if the RFP needs to be signed if if we need to sign any documents regarding posting it um or advertising it that is just our standard language to allow those signatures to occur to just for the language in the contract just sending out the r and there will be a lot more to it than that there will be bids that come back to you and you will make a decision on those all right thank you C anybody else got any questions no all right can I get a mo all right I make a motion that we approve resolution 2025 d22 I second got a first got a second any other discussion anybody out field all right nobody all right see and none move the vote all in favor say I I those oppos 5 Z all right item M resolution 20 25-23 the resolution of the city council of the city of Williston Florida approving the land lease agreement for vacant land between rwb limited LLC and the City of Willison for property at the airport with a legal description as outlined in the attached land lease agreement authorization authorizing the city council president to execute the land lease agreement and providing an effective Dee Mr St yes sir so um earlier I put a um a piece of paper at everybody station that says map and Boundary um lying in section 12 and you should be able to see that um Miss Jones noticed that U exhibit a which was the survey was not attached to the land Leaf um so this this is exhibit a that will go with this land Leaf um She also asked some questions about the uh the person who or the tenant who was requesting the Landes and where it was located and all um so for those of you familiar with the airport um Cypress aircraft sales is one of the first uh first hangers that was put up on Alpha Taxi way um and the city it's actually I think it's the only hanger that City Electrical is on right now um so we work pretty hard to get that electrical to those guys and this uh this hanger will be going right next to Cypress aircraft sales um this is this will be a private hanger that uh the owner Andor Ley is planning on putting a 100 by 100 hanger U very very similar to what Cyprus is uh has there currently um and I made that request to him you know actually it wasn't really a request I kind of told him that if he was going to put it on Alpha it needed to be a 100 by 100 or bigger um because you know that's that's kind of prime real estate we only have so much of it um the the tenant is has been a tenant at the airport in our bull hangers for five or six years now he was one of our first customers in new the new Banger when it was completed in 2019 uh been a been a very good tenant is a business owner in Gainesville um he's had two or three separate jets that he's you know bought and sold traded around he's been a pretty good tenant to us so I wouldn't have any issues entering into land scream with him okay thank you Council any questions Mr President just briefly um you'll see that on the land leas the uh first page has uh a blank for the purposes so now that we have the exact description of the hanger to be built I'm going to place that in there as has just outlined so that that'll be the only so it's a bulk hanger for for hanger storage for aircraft storage yes ma'am will he be doing his own maintenance in there at all um it it's possible that he would be bringing in you know a a independent maintenance guy to do some things here and there okay um it is not going to be a maintenance facility okay it's just going to be his own you know essentially his own private any other question all right get a get ation make a motion approve resolution 2025 all right we have a first we got a second is there any other discussion all right see in none we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos it's 5 Z all right item in resol resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida approving the memorandum of understanding between the city in wilon another way Inc domestic violence and Rape Crisis Center authorizing appropriate parties to sign any documents required to execute such agreement on the behalf of the city and provide an effective date this is not Mr Eagles this is actually police chief R I thought it would be great for Ben this [Music] nope another way uh we've had this uh uh memorandum of understanding with them for multiple years now uh and basically what it is is just uh it's a memorandum of understanding with them and the police department that when we have domestic violence cases or th cases or those sort of things that we will contact them and notify them so they can try to provide services to victims of those crime okay we've had this for some time oh yeah nothing nothing has changed since the last one move approval of resolution 202 we have first we have second any other discussion I was just want to know how often this is done the m is it annual thing you got do they've been doing it on probably about a twoe basis now any other discussion right first and second all right no other discussion we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos all right 5 Z all right item o resolution 202- 25 of resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida approving the lease Amendment determination of sub leas and termination of memorandum of understanding between the city of Williston and Williston Youth Athletic Association Inc w u approving the operating agreement between the city of Willison and W Inc authorizing appropriate parties to sign any documents required to execute such agreement on behalf of the city of Willison and providing an effective date for thank you Mr President so uh as you know this is something that I've discussed with y'all on earlier date that is the uh taking or at least bringing back the wi Ballfield and its park facility and bringing it back under control of the city um at the same time allowing for an agreement between us and the uh WIA for them to operate the ACT ual uh facility out there and the program out there so to give you just a brief history not to be too long but you know the way back when I think maybe Jones was I hate way back I way back when um some time ago there was an agreement um where WIA leased I see if I can get this right leased the the facility to the city the city applied for a grant and the grant was given and then we leased the property back to the W all like on the same date and uh so what this is is actually is the you look through your document you actually have in front of you a amended lease agreement termination of sub leas a termination of memorandum of understanding which was written by the City attorney and has gone through her approval uh and with that also is an agreement an mou I actually on the page um the operating agre yeah the operating agreement where um so we're we're looking at like I said we're looking at U subleasing the park back to the city so the city can take control over it what it will help us do and help them do just to be quite honest with you it help them with some of the cost of operating the facility uh in order for them to continue on uh doing the things that we're doing so we will in turn be inheriting the partk for a limited amount of time and basically um where we would be responsible for the facility utilities things like that um the average cost of the city going back to be about $110,000 and then there's a memorandum of understanding between us n w of what dations are um and I believe both agre that gives us a 30-day out v um so um you know and like I said the let me just tell you my visions of how I see this happening is is that you know Tommy's here and Tommy can speak or the other board members here um is basically you know to say that we we do have a parks department but to say that we have a wreck department you know they actually put stuff together for the children here in Willison and stuff like that you know it's lacking in the city we simply don't have a person that does that love to have one right but we don't we have streets and parks Lord does the best job she can Latricia does a lot of stuff that she does but the reality is we don't have a Rex Department uh my vision is to see Tommy and his staff not only to bring the things that they bring to the city which is not only uh youth Athletics and baseball it is soccer and some other things and aish establish a a true recreational program for everybody uh within willon of course and obviously the surrounding areas that could come here and have a recreational ball field playoff um it will of course they will have managerial rights um if you when you read the agreement you understand that uh but the city will also have the opportunity to do the things that we want to do in the field um also um it's just kind of a good deal for everybody and um you know if the vision that I see working follows through um they could literally become operational arm of the city of Willis to help us out with something I mean uh what popped into my head which really was not this deal I have to really give credit to Donald Barber who just in passing mentioned it going by my door but you know there was some discussion in the past uh basically you know the the property out east of taking the gym and and let the city have it I don't know that's going to happen that's what the owner said when he walked out of here I don't know how they would make that happen but I would love to have that gymnasium and who knows maybe we start a a basketball league out there they can help us manage it we have know I don't think we have no but you know these these people have the knowledge of doing it You' doing it how long 1982 um so Tommy do you have anything to add or youall like anything step to the mic please and I'm sorry ma'am I I don't know who you are could introduce yourself I'm R marzzo I'm Thea secretary and treasure I have been since 2000 so year that I've been there um my older child is about to be we've playing out here since four so we've had a very lengthy you know time here um a couple of things that we brought this up and the reason we brought this up is when the electric was changed from us having a residential electric bill to a commercial electric bill has double and sometimes triple our electric bill and as you know we are a nonprofit organization so all of our money comes from our parents who fa our registration fees and our great sponsors of city of won and surrounding towns that sponsor our team onor our banners in our field so going with that and our electric being so high eventually we're going to run out of money so that's why we came to the city for help with that um the only thing the city has provided us with in the past is picking up our trash for us and blowing our grass when we can get somebody out there to mow it on those days we need um the I do see that there was that we already not not for profit um from this the one we got on Thursday um the only other thing that we'd ask in here is we will still cover all costs with maintenance um except for we just need it in there that the city will Su for us we have to add that add an expense kind of so I I added the not for profit that that was yeah so I did I did add that that is correct um if if we can get that added about the mowing um and my question is is you say that it'll be about $10,000 expens are we still excuse going leave it as a commercial electric if you take it back over the city yeah the city whatever it is we have to pay it that's L we don't even give ourselves a Cut Rate you know sounds crazy right so um we pay our own trash pick up same rate whatever the rate structure it is with with it is yall have it now that is the rate that the city's going to pay itself to pay our vent yeah our last two months our one month was 1300 and month before that was 1100 that's because of lights out there um the only other thing that we ask if we're underneath the city um with the Le is if we can get help with some Grant um we have sens that are falling down that we need help with the 141 has a lot of our spor signs on it leaning over drive past it over um the uh lights we have our soccer program is booming we have over 12 and 13 teams the season we've had to move out to extra fields that have no lights we've been playing on the softball field softball or baseball that night that those field so we can get help with Grant you know to help upep our facilities that wonderful as well so that was going to be my question what as a not not for-profit what other avenues have you guys explored in order to help you um have raise money instead of the city taking we had um the big wick organization this last last day did a fundraiser for us and gave us the money that we still have in our bank account to be able to use do something um we have in the grants but we are not gr writers we are you know we don't get paid for this so we don't have those means yeah be able to write those grants we would be help with grant writing so there's nothing out there to assist you guys with grant writing as a not not profit we've looked into it and we'd have to pay for grant writers have be able to see the gr not at platform we're having appear to be having a tough time getting Grant adding something else we we helped them before want to put in this initial field and expand their concession and that was a I just see that we're having so many so so it's we have we're um having issues with getting grants for the parks that we currently have already and then adding addition and some they may get it when the other one depends on what the there's a lot there is Grant you know organization grants out there Cornelius isn't considered recreational organization we are that Mr Bishop Miss Jones help me remember when we went out there and built the football field from scratch didn't we get a grant for that we did that's what I thought thank you we put the first lights on yes ma'am I remember the lights went in I did a lot of di I think if I remember correctly we've got two 200,000 apps 4 I believe it was one with a 25e shelf yes okay and this this will be temporary I was taking it over for for 25 more years our current one was for 25 years it runs out in 2027 we claim them as a park in our comp PL when we name our Parks they're they're listed as one of our Parks um I will also remind you that when we talked to Miss Evo who was here earlier about the Willison Main Street program uh they willon Youth Athletic is one of the anchors for that um it actually starts on on that to the to the north um that is the beginning of the of process and it ends at the high school it goes all the way down the old railroad right away so I believe that this would be advantageous for that as well I'm just I'm just confused still I mean I'm just trying to figure out who owns the land they own the they own the land but the city is going to it was given I know it's it's a lot of stuff it was given to them by oh it was a lot for us too I don't know if you remember Dr Dy who used to be here and he had a partner named Bob scales Dr da and Mr scales gave them the first amount of land that they got uh I don't know if they bought the other part or we got it with bir app Grant I can't remember I think we actually helped them acquire it with the first app grant that we got and the second one was to actually build a facility so the basically leasing from you guys for 25 years to pay forc bwing and currently in this Le well currently or in well this lease as well currently they on the land they leased it to us so we could apply for a gr on their behalf we got the ground and we leased it back to them okay that's I I I I think I think that's where the confusion was that's where we're sitting right nowal no they all they knew all about it I mean f out the state knew about it the state knew that that was the arrangement it we didn't do anything they didn't know about um and that's where we sit right now because that Grant is not quite up yet okay so we're going to release we're going to resend our lease to them so that they are leas get to us if we are Le got yes if if you accept the resolution we will lease their property that's the lease and then they have an operating agreement operate department for us they're going to operate and we're going to be the leasing but we're only leasing it to help them out we're only leasing it to get them Grant well also have a Recreation Department yes his office his office did it originally yeah Mr Fugate is correct and then to Terry's point we we also have an ongoing this part of our comp plan as a park that we are are using as Recreational facility and so we we do have an interest in continuing that so it's not just for those reasons this is coming before you because obviously there have been a lot of things that have come up since um since the last lease agreement that we had with them um but the city does have an interest um a public interest in maintaining um City uh interest in the park um or Community all right the question also allows for people out there who are not aware as well to kind of like put it down a little bit so that they can understand what we're talking about but okay gotcha it was I like what I make a motion that we approve resolution 20252 I will second it but they had one change they wanted to have we just want to make sure that the mowing was still going be included we have toate that cost we're currently mowing we actually keep them lower out there and this is written in a way that it says they're going to know us so that one section needs to be changed okay I make a motion do we have enough staff to was there not something also about the city taking over the responsibilities of the electric that's in here already yes sir that is okay so the city will incur cost of about ,000 month a year in yes in long Council know Council can do whatever they want all right so then I'm sorry no let me just redo the motion and get a second we're halfway through that process but we might not want to second I make a motion that we approve resolution 2025 d25 with the change to the operational agreement City will continue to do the mowing second one got a first got a second any other discussion yeah so um so if if we're doing the utilities the mowing the and all the other stuff what do you got to do so you guys yeah we provide the insurance we provide the insurance for all the athletes that are out there we will still run our signups we will still order our uniforms we will still provide the equipment City doesn't provide any of that they're running a recreational program for soccer and baseball and do you do flag football too flag football flag football so we will still the parks we still make sure sessions are done we still make sure we have so you don't have any operational costs B right right we don't have they doing all the operation so you're doing operational cost and we're just paying utilities and [Music] that so so when so when um the kids pay for I know it's probably off topic but when they pay for sign up fees and stuff are they not paying for insurance or is the insurance that's included in or is the ins that's incl reg but the insurance you're talking about is on the facility itself yes oh okay and kon's written that very well in here speak of parks department I mean we have a growing amount of things that that we were were covering corus Williams is further developing with grants and other things we have more work out there we added fireman Park we have the responsibility still of Horseman Park to a large degree I mean this is this is in the summer a dedicated day sometimes day and a half to mowing Justice Facility on what we already have of 256 Acres every week in the summer that we have to mow that we have to get through and I unless there's added staff to do that I had thought the tradeoff was you get free utilities and then you take back the mowing because I mean there's there's a serious amount of cost there and this isn't something that we did for a church or this isn't something that we did for other people but I mean this is a serious expense I know that Miss Jones you're on I think the board for the Orange Hill Cemetery and I mean mowing is not an inexpensive thing it is a major expense that is incurred by the city already we don't utilize this facility this isn't a park that is part of our furb program this is not a park that is part of our Park system this is not a park that just open to the general public it is not for on behalf of the city this isn't the same vein as John Henry or corus Williams or erson and so I just hope the council considers that because from the parks department I can tell you that the mowing is a very serious uh uh commitment that's all I wanted to say and that was some of the issues that they were saying talking about initially when when people may had complaints or issues about can park and things not getting done the fact that you didn't have the staff to do these things but yet as he says we're taking on something are they're currently doing it now it's not like they're not doing it now they are currently doing it they but he's telling you for something years well it couldn't have been done for 20 something years if in the last five years people were complaining about it but I'm just saying I mean it it was for them to do but it wasn't getting done so um it is getting done it may be now and we do tell them but when people were complaining about it fac and it is the only recreational program we have City and there is a recreational element the one of our seven parts and that's and that's fine I mean but you know we always talk about listening to our staff your staff is sitting here telling you that this is going to be an additional burden um it's not additional but they're doing it now that's what I'm saying it is it does cost them time to do it yes I won't Den that but it is not something additional that they're doing it now and have done it for many years if we don't get help from the city still with the mowing that You' currently been doing we going to have to find parents or businesses or someone else that does not get paid to be out there and volunteer to come and bow the grass for us and in the summer and in the spring it's it's a once a week you know Oreal so that's you know our time as well businesses in the city that are going to have to help you know cover that for us and we are all volunteer we don't get paid be out there right and and we have some parks that have volunteers as well that go out and you know help do things around the park so it's not that's not the only should we tell them it's a feeder system facility that has volunteers 198 and all of the things about eoms talking Bo they talk volunte come out that I think volunteers that are volunteering coaching volunteering sessions or doing whatever are already everybody in the city issu with all of the kids they're out there doing on Saturday tues night Friday night in Ecom come out of parent pocket who already I hear complain refere and they are a beater system for our Middle School our high school almost all those winning softball teams and those winning baseball teams and winning football teams they all started out there yep they all started out there they don't have basketball there we I'm just saying we just don't have anywhere for them to practice or play or host games so being able to have a gym to be able to do basketball and potentially volleyball volleyball has gotten very big around here with our girls so that would be you know a great thing for us to have well you know kind of said it at the beginning but um you know like I said I have I have visions of grandure when I think of things how well they can be in and basketball is one of those things that I I'm hoping we do get um and I hopeing we do get it over there um out of the old high school middle school um and then we would have a basketball program um so yeah that that that that intrigued me it pequ my interest I'm gonna be honest with you it really did um I don't know if that gentleman will follow through for that but if I can take this step and get that step and y'all are willing to do it for the city um they are that's a great thing um so you know I and I I you know I tell you all the time you know that I'm going to make decisions the staff's not they're not going to like they're going to make decision I'm not going to like and this unfortunately is one of those times that you know mowing and changing out the light bulbs that that's what I got to do to get this program up and running um or keep it running um that's a small price to pay you know I'm sure we'll have a larger discussion tomorrow morning about it um guarantee I guarantee that but I think it's an easy tradeoff all right so we've had a first second got discussion anybody else got any other discussion anybody yeah I'm G hold him the B the basketball so tell you that I got you all right so move to vote all in favor say I I okay 5 thank you all right is everybody good we need to take a quick break all right I'm sorry um what was the again 5 5 you were yay a yes okay I'm sorry I didn't hear okay all right yeah five okay good all hey Eric e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right ready all right next this is an open public hearing and it's a quad Z judicial Miss Belo yes Mr President this is ordinance number 202- 742 an ordinance of the city of Willison Florida providing for the permanent closing of the unapproved Road commencing at the northeast corner of section one Township 13 South Range 18 East and then run south along the east boundaries said section 1658 58 ft then North 88 degrees 19 19 ft 41 in West 13.3 82 ft to the West right of away of US 41 sou Sr number 45 and the point of beginning then North 88° 91 ft 14 in West 659 40 feet to a concrete Monument then South 0° 24t 9 in West 30 ft B South 88° 19t 14 in East 6 59.4 ft then North 0 degrees 24 feet 09 in east 30 feet to the point of beginning of the public roads of Levy County public records of Ley County in willon Florida to lie within parcel ID 043 28001 0 description is in exhibit a finding that the closing of the road right of way will not adversely affect the public health safety or welfare providing for the repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date Mr President the appropriate motion at this point will be to be to fire your City attorney for putting a legal description in the body of the ordinance um [Laughter] Deni um this is a quasi judicial hearing um anyone who intends to speak on this matter if you please stand and raise your right hand to be sworn do you swear or affirm that the testimony you give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you very much excellent I'll now ask if there are any have been any expart Communications from the any of the council members regarding this matter a reminder any an expart communication is any communication regarding this matter that has occurred outside of public meeting no no no council member hind okay seeing none if there are any materials other than what has already been presented in the agenda packet then anyone wishes to make part of the record for this hearing please present them to the clerk now seeing none uh Mr President this is a typically the time that I would hand it over for staff presentation I saw that Donald stood up so I'm not sure if he wants to um make any additional um commentary on this uh Laura asked that I present this item essentially this is a closing of a public RightWay which you're all very familiar with in order to put us back in compliance for a parcel um Mr fate is here on behalf of on behalf of the applicant and staff's recommendation is that um this does not adversely affect public health safety or welfare and it is appropriate to close this right away and that is the sole reason I stood up was to comment on behalf of Public Works and Roads you guys typically ask us are we adverse to a closing and I just wanted to State for the record that we are not thank you sir that would be the appropriate time for the applicant okay so everything we' provided in the application the only thing that I would add is this really I think y are familiar with this Fe I'm not incorrect this was a 60t right away I think within the last 12 months and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong y'all vacated the north 30 foot that went to the property owner to the north um we are this is the property owner to the South who is the successor in interest to the property owner that deed the city and the property in the first place so all essentially you're doing is vacating and letting the property owner have the property my question is are there any other people in there that are going to get blocked in or won't have access there the only uh person the only other entity is white Hurst cattle I believe owns acreage right behind the drive-thru if you I mean you know where it is it's the drivethru just to the north of the drivethru between I think maybe Boyers used to be in that little building before you turn into wind Dixie um but white Hurst has uh access across legal access recorded access across the bank property itself okay so there's nothing to the West there is chamia plantation but none of those lots face that direction none of them be lock down speaking of uh the plantation Community Plantation they actually if you all remember came before Council multiple times and asked that there were barriers put in so that there couldn't be a pass through to cile Plantation right so this is again honoring that request from citizens because they they would be the only ones adversely affected and they don't want access to I know that we promised them when we did that that we would that we would never open that road and this is going to basically make that okay just making sure there was nobody else in there like I said white Hurst cattle is the only one right behind the bank they have legal recorded easement access across the bank's property to get there I think probably right where this is they gave them that access probably before had think the bank gave them that access like I said the bank bank so white is not going to come back and say you vacated the land now I can't get them no like I said they have they have Perpetual access across perfect thank you thank you all right um unless staff has any rebuttal um I do not have any rebuttal um now would be the appropriate time a public comment if there is any public comment seeing none um the applicant have any rebuttal I don't believe um now would be the appropriate time for Council all righty yes first reading right I make a motion we approve ordinance 2025 74 first all right all right we have first we got second we got any discussion any more else we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I iose it's 5 Z all right now close the public hearing Q discussion with possible action adding an additional equipment operator position for the electric uh Department Mr Michael Miller yes as you know we've been trying to get in a class we have an open spot for a class a lineman with class A linan pay um although we think we're three quars competitive we're having a hard time finding anybody to fill that position there still competitive out there we can't beat so the thought is with all the new development going on between us and water SE um there going to be such a large increase of underground going in that we're hoping to take this linan this this year use stead money of linan of the line position left over and create a forgive me I'm losing my words um heavy equipment operator sorry about that to help you with the digging in the facilities of that and when there if and when there's a need for to be used elsewhere City I would put them over there off would be just for electric electric that's the short have any questions please oh you say you get you're getting rid of the linemen no ma'am absolutely not um right now we just have a greater need for a for for this position we do the linan because can't find one that's willing to come in work that money so we're hoping for this year to utilize that money leave the linan division unfilled and discuss this is an additional yes but like I say then we'll discuss this budget SE next year so you just want to basically just use usually now use this gentlemen for heavy um equipment operator absolutely so budget SE to discuss whether we can so is it the person you're moving or is it the money that's for the lineman that you're going to use for this position correct that's what I thought yes ma'am hire hire out not within right you're going to hire a different position because you can't find the one that you really need correct but I don't want to get rid of that position but if you find the other one you'll convert it back well I'll come to you that not convert it back so that's what makes it additional that you it once we get your approval to to add this additional position the linan position will be vacant with very little money left right the hope is obviously that come budget time next year that that alignment Position will still be available even with the small amounts of money and if it looks like we're going to need it an alignment a lineman yeah an a linan right yes sir so that basically we will be able to you know increase the funds in that capacity and add that aine's position back in fully funded as opposed to what's left over so you're looking at going from you know $54,000 a year uh the alignment it makes 894 you end up with about 54,000 for a heavy equipment operator that's going to leave some residual monies left in there on a full year I don't know what the half a year is going to be or the six months I didn't do the math on that um you know just so y'all are aware and of course it may not matter but you know my position on you great we can find an a lineman we have not been able to find a l lineman but I'm going to be honest with you my intention is to promote internal so if I have an a line I have a b linemen there that I know I can move to an A and we're actually in a process of having some outside evaluators come in to look at our linemen to see if they're at the B level at the C Level level and if I have one at the B level can he then move on to the a level and then if that's the case then Mike could sign off on him we would have another aign which wouldn't cost you the remainder of the 35,000 it's only going to cost you an increase pay you a little bit I would have 2 a line doesn't mean I want to lose this position but we may lose it anyway and they understand that right yes and but the thought is if without trying to respect my employees in any way if those a BS can't be moved to an a right now then we have that discussion what that looks like later on in life and what our possibilities are the will coun I just want to lose my options I would say if you don't need that position now but yet you need a different position get rid of that position get this position and when you are ready for that position come back and say Hey listen how long you've been looking for that position but they're taking money from that eight months give or take it's all about the money Mr it's all about the money people are out there the qualifications are out there do do you think that maybe the reason why we can't is you have these groups that go around when there's hurricanes and they're there for three or four weeks and you know getting paid a lot of money and they're just traveling around to these storms the a lineman that I'm interested in uh making $81 an hour right now we can't compete against that I want to but I can't in good faith I can't right okay but I'm scared if I close out to position it'll be that much harder to reopen divis the answer is I don't know just might thoughts not what I know or don't know that's my thoughts so if I leave the position open but unfunded I think it might be easier for us to transition to getting another a Lin in the future if and when that need does arise or could arise so you say unfunded so come next budget season if so if we open up this one what do we open it up as far as money monetary correct yes reason I don't want to take take away the alignment position is because internally I believe we already have somebody that is ready to step up into that so if we fill that position and he is forced to stay at the B position and therefore we can't we only have one it's I'd rather Advance internally then rather than Outsource and then we can just Outsource ground and so you just said a lot I mean if you have somebody if you there's a position that you need that's available and you he won getting the yeah he won't be getting once we advance him to the E position that doesn't mean he's going to get that maed out T is it going to be more $35,000 well to advance him no ma' is it going to be more than $35,000 to ADV no ma' okay so we have enough in the budget based on that initial a lineman to get a new position and Advance somebody if it works out that way I believe so yes is that the way you're looking to go yes I I just don't want to I want to leave my options open and how it plays out how it play out I don't want to tell you one thing then come back in two weeks and say oops I change my mind but right now yes that's how we want to Mo and and the reason why we haven't Advanced anybody to an aine position so far as is the person we're talking about has either one more test or something and then what he's got one more class but he is eligible and then and then my cabat is I want that person assessed from an outside evaluator from go to another department no ma'am they'll come here so like somebody from fmpa would come here we've asked another city to help us out too they they will come in and agree to evaluate him over a couple days and say yes we believe he can move to an a linan now Mike is the only one that could Advance it with with to the A Line position but we will all feel a little better if we have that outside evaluation to tell me either way no he is not ready okay then I can justify not doing it or yes he is ready and then we can justify easily moving this person up from a Bel line to an a line and it will not cost 35,000 to do it okay so if if that does not that option does not happen I'm ask question if that option does not happen but then you find somebody and now you gotten a new position you fill that new position and now you find somebody who's an aine who will come in for whatever now you don't have that money in the budget in order to get that a correct in next budget in the next budget season we would ask for that whether we get it or not when we get to so it would be required of y'all to fund that at shortfall right would you have um and I don't see that happening from now the budget time um you know so we're not going to magically just find an a line as long come work for 4320 an hour um just that happen last is what that budget come out was yes $43 is when I figured it maybe a little more okay 43 yeah so you know and that those people are rare I mean they have to have a reason to stay here we are fortunate that the people that works in the utility department wants to work in the Wilston area um across the board and but electric um it's even better you know because they could leave today and go make $10 more an hour tomorrow easily just got to make love with us they do y okay any other questions I take a motion do we don't have can we do a consensus if you do a motion we'll come back to you um with anything else that we'll need in order to effectuate that okay all right motion got first second from you need to add the from yeah the existing aine position got a all right we got a first got a second any other discussion all those in favor say I I I any oppos 5 Z all right R discussion with possible action three-phase conversion on Northeast 9th Street Mr Michael Miller Electric supervisor got to turn your microphone sorry about that this is to on a r that we got for um Northeast night Street for that lift station we're going to be moving the lift station and I think it also includes Paving some roads like 7 together but to get the three-phase over there for the new lift station this is the cost that should have had a not to succeeded 6,000 and that's to upgrade the three phase and get it over there across the tracks we got to get the permits across the tracks and then over there Al this is also going to be able to facilitate the lift station at the middle school so that we can actually power our own LIF station there get off the plate so this is basically just getting all the new infrastructure any I would like to C out with that with that being said if and when the gr out there at the middle school starts growing that'll give us that much closure to that to add on to that exp get more expensive so whoers the LI station Clay does right this second we have we have take it away from we we have the ability to feed our own infrastru yes ma'am we don't have the ability to take them Middle School from them but we do have the ability to take our infrastructure feed our our own infrastructure just as a clarification Mr Miller um you and I talked prior to the meeting but this $160,000 already been bit out is that correct yes this is just material has already been bit out so put out for competitive bid this is the number that you received from that I can answer that that question so the cdbg uh has not gone through an RFD process this is not part of the cdbg this is an additional cost the 775 some thousand what is CD uh Community Development block grant so every year the city of Wilston and other municipalities can go for Community Development block grants they're awarded on a point system and the one that we applied for two years ago was for Lift Station 4 on Northeast 9th Street to be completely rebuilt brand new across the street and then in order to get the points we needed for the that's about 400,000 of it in order to get the points needed for it we had to affect so many homes I think it was 78 residents that had to be affected so what we did was we added on Southeast 10th Street Southeast 9th Terrace Southeast 9th Street from first first AV all the way to third AV to be completely repaved which we were excited about because everybody knows the roads around here need to be repaved um that a total came to about 780,000 the contingency everything in that bid that we going to be putting out next month through right Pierce is already accounted for in the Grant application there is no money left over so when you see contingency here it's talking about what you've already approved in the budget process there's about three $349,000 that we use that Terry and the staff used to purchase vehicles uh we did the emergency pump replacement if you get out of the contingency fund uh this would be another thing that we would do out of that to purchase the materials But to answer your question Kirsten this material has not been bided out so what I was hoping to do is that if they approve it we would put that process through with the RFP or the actual work on the lift station we could put that as a sub caveat in the documents to bid out for suppliers it wouldn't go to the person doing the lift station it wouldn't go to the people doing the paving but we could put it out for people to bid on that but we know the raw materials are going to cost a certain amount and this is a weird one because these are supplies through gresco so gresco could bid on it through RC but I mean these are kind of our our electric grid is kind of Soul sourced to large degree so it's it I it it's really tricky at this point okay so so I must have misunderstood our conversation earlier uh as long as it gets put out for the bid with for competitive bid with the other parts of that's fine but it's just material what you all are approving yeah but it's just material supply and it would be above and beyond what the cdbg would fun so if we asked right Pierce to do that they would have like you guys have seen how right Pierce has did like the fug it the bypass was one one option option two was the bypass pump this will have to be a third option on when we put out for the cdbg with additional funding by the city so we can do that I just want to make sure you were clear on that yes now I I have a question so Donald let me let me so we're abandoning one lift station right correct building our own because it's another potential Ninth Circle so yeah let's move on so um so we'll we'll uh this will be our new lift station we're trying to get power on city property on city property and basically a lot of this money that we're talking about doing I'm led to believe that it could come out to where it would be cheaper for a company to do it but we're also looking at us to do it it would not be cheaper for another company I'm just trying to be nice so um but that is the plan but it wasn't included in the Grant and it is not included in the funds that are committed for that project so this is additional funding that would come out of that 349,000 contingency that was adopted at this beginning October 1's budget so the lift station is in there but the three-phase power is not the lift station and the paving of the road is what the Community Development block grant has funded getting the three- the reason why this is necessary is because over the last three years starting with Country Lane States we have new design standards and specifications for our lift stations we've gone from three-phase power from single phase where the quality of the pumps we can get five six seven years out of as opposed to the what all of our lift stations are currently we get maybe six months out of a pump so even though they're only $2,000 we buy two three of them every year we're going to a higher grade we're going equal with standards of Gru Maran County so on so that means that in order to do that your startup if you think about it like if if I take a load of laundry in a bucket and I start to stir it with just my hand there's a difference between my own little power than if I were to take a drill and put a stir on it and run it in the bucket that's kind of what we're talking about that initial startup is what makes the pumps work more efficiently get through the mess not have clogs and not create problems and backups Don don't forget we can put the chopper blades on them too with a three-phase yes and with the three phase we upgraded what we call Chopper pumps that's exactly right where it's actually a cutting mechanism so when the feminine products and the flushable wipes that are not flushable for the record go through it cuts them up so in order to do that and we've already asked them to do this on the town homes we already have a developers agreement for them to do this and they built it at Country Lan Estates all the new development has to have the standard we can't ourselves then build a station and not meet those very same standards we're asking developers to do so only way way that's possible if this three-phase works out and there are more opportunities there's development at the McCoy property they've been talking about they would need three-phase there's the lift station at the old middle school that's going to have to be upgraded so all of that's going to be a part of that I just wanted to clarify that that's not included in the money for the cdbg plus the general upgrade of the lines period yeah and you and you made some you threw out some numbers at the very beginning on block gr and then where that there were 400,000 and 700,000 so it's total of 780,000 roughly yeah 400,000 is what it's going to cost to build the lift station yep and then the other 300 and some thousand will basically be designated to the paving on the Southeast and the sewer hookups well this there are no sewer hookups in this so just Paving roads it's just Paving roads and rebuilding the lift station with the current connections that are onto that lift station okay all right the lift station is Northeast and the paving is in southeast yes ma'am all right any other discussion so miss blo since it's a possible action motion you recommend I would recommend a motion to move forward we'll bring you back a resolution all right make that motion I second I got it first second any other discussions seeing none hearing none nobody out in audience we'll move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos 5 Z all right s um item s discussion with possible action order an electrical material for towns of home of Willis Mr Michael Miller yes this is get the power to the towns of home or towns of Willison that's on us and it's at a cost of not the the 55,000 and that is that is not any of their infrastructure this is totally on the outside of us getting the underground down there to them from I want to say it's coming from sth Avenue and then we're going hit South Underground all the way to 316 so it be it will be underground yes and most of this cost is the cost of the conduit we have the wire things to a big deal that Danny did a couple years ago but now it's just sitting out in weather and I'd rather get it in this piping right utilize okay were were we aware that we were going to have to do this prior to us approving that complx yes yes so so I do I don't remember this this well yeah but I'm just saying so why did we not discussed this previously why are we just now seeing it it was in the developers agreement it was in the developers agreement as part of the contract that there were certain obligations that the city had to do and then there were certain obligations that um the towns Town Homes of Wilson and this part was to get the infrastructure there to hook up the whole neighborhood um and it's only limited to our side of things uh it'll provide for the lift station and the other operations uh and a matter of fact it'll actually go to two of our lift stations the new one that they're building for us they're on the complex on the northwest corner of the five acres and then the other one that they're going to have to upgrade is the one in Whitfield on um South East 8 Avenue and that one right there um basically the developers agreement required them to do any upgrade Associated they tried to get out of it they they went with Walt Terry can tell you and they had a there in said well we think we could do this alternative plan and just directly connect and our Engineers came back with the findings of no you have to do that so they've got quite a bit of investment in this this is simply to do our side of things and get it to there and it wasn't the developers right so why do we still why do we not discuss this prior to I'm gonna be honest because all of that because because we we do we do a budget and then we make these agreements to do these things and then we come back back after budget has already been done and now then we have impact yeah so this is this amount this is a misnomer with I think we the staff and stepen would have a bit of a disagreement okay I'm going to be honest with you we create a budget for operations and maintenance what I call Om andm so when I hand you a budget and I say the electric department needs this amount to operate those are based on contracts that we have those are based on amount of work orders that we have and what we know we're going to spend that year on our pay obviously all those things we don't know when this development's going to happen I mean the town homes has been in and we've been negotiating that since almost the beginning of when Terry started his tenure matter of fact I think Jackie was still here when we actually started that so to put it in a specific budget that's what that contingency really does exist for is because you can't plan that as part of your omm because you'd never know if it happened and quite honestly if you give a government agency a budget and the project falls through they're still going to spend the money that you gave them so we don't stick it in there that's the honest truth we don't that that prevents you from overspending and and and doing things that that you don't need to spend money right I get it but if we're talking about we need to have a certain amount of contingency and we know that potentially we're going to spend this kind of money and it's there is is it is it not so is it it's kind of budgeted in there already absolutely is if there is of contingency in the electric budget that's not o and m it's specifically labeled contingency the last digits are 349 in the code and it's four projects like this because it's money that we don't have to transfer over to the general fund that what happens is when the end of the year when we true up you heard Stephen talk about it whatever's left in those funds that's what goes to your general fund Reserve to build up your reserve okay so if we spend it it doesn't go into the rear Reserve but if we don't if we do spend it or if we don't spend it then it it it goes and builds that up even further so that's but there is a specific line in his budget that specifically addresses this not designated what it's for but it's the extra money that the electric Department makes and clears in the in the black I say that right Terry yep so so I wouldn't know what the return on investment is for this 55,000 but you got to remember I'm going to get and I keep forg getting the number I thought was 54 54 58 58 I I don't know why I keep back 54 but I'll get 58 homes on the Ador tax R is what I'm going to get and and that's what I look at that's money right to us get Elric well I am gonna get that and that app arm taxes are going to go right in the general fund to help support cheat his Endeavors um you know so in the fire cheat you go if not to be there right so when I ask those question I'm just trying to make sure that we're not going above and beyond no maam it's a good question and you know and I'll be honest with a lot of times I'll ask questions of people just to get it on the record you know so we can hear it um so no and that was a fabulous question because because I would love to be able to say look I I know the there's a home project going in just to the west of the airport right and uh we're we could plan on it we did a lot of work on it uh and it felt through at least know did so if I would have budgeted money for that to hook them up or run power out there which we already got power but just use an example um it fell through I would have thought for sure this thing would well but it didn't and it may still prove your but you still had that have that money there you know it's not like it well this the contingency and it does go back to what Stephen and I talked about earlier this is going to affect you know uh how much money we'll have put back for our you know uh reserves you know and the key is not to dip so far into it that we get a negative audited out and we come back with having less money than we had last year last year that would be bad um so my idea would be have more than $1.4 million in reserve in next year's a which I think we will just just a double back on what Terry is saying if we all look back at CL uh Miss Jones that was like a 12E project where we actually put a positive shovel in the ground um so might saying this would be a 12E project or the high school but the high school I think is going W on eight years now so it was kind of hard to do it that way and that's fine I mean no no I'm not being disrespectful I just trying to make no I didn't think you were I'm just saying um just trying to make sure that you know we're not going backward supp that's a motion would be appropriate same as the last one to move forward will break you back resolution right I make a motion that we move forward with this action discuss we got a first we got a second any other discussion a all right that being said we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos all right 5 zero thank you thank you all right item T resolution 202- 26 a resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida approving a 5% increase all full-time employes is nonexempt hourly compensated city employees to receive only a three% pay rates increased on October 1st 2024 providing parity with the 3.5% pay rates given to the wellis police department communication officers authorize a RoR pay at the rate of. 5% to all fulltime nonent hourly compensated city employees to receive a 3.0% pay raise increase on October 1st authoriz authorization authorizing appropriate parties to sign any documents required to execute agreement on behalf of the city of Willis and provide an effective all right thank you sir so I think I I if it's possible I'd like to change just the part of this wording in here where where it says all full-time non-exempt hourly compensated city employees I'd like to also add [Music] nonsupervisory to that verbage that pretty much covers defines who these R who who these races will go back to so basically you know anybody's full-time that's nonsupervisory position that's being compensated hourly right so um basically y'all seen this before I've talked to you this is the third time we talked about it I brought it back in form of of a res resolution this time as you know from our discussions before um the there was a 3.5% increase given to the city uh uh Communications officers um after the budget went in the the union who represents the uh some of well all the boys but in the bargaining unit all the boys in the city of willston that fit that category I just explained to you um should have receed to 3.5% if we were going to give the communication officers a 3.5% what this does it gives us the opportunity to go back and um or from this point forward uh give everybody fits in that category a 05% increase matching the 3.5 the city dispatchers get and then retroact paying those individuals that did not receive 3.5% um the money that they would have received if if they would have got the 3.5 now the cost figure that I had on it I think it was $9,000 a little bit last time I bumped it up to about 10 grand um I don't know if Stephen could even give me a magic number yet uh but it's going to be in that realm last time he broke it down if you recall uh in every category that he we had but I'm assuming that's what's going to cost us to do the back pay and the pay people uh moving forward with that additional .5% and didn't we discuss this a couple meetings back we did and agreed pretty much to we pretty much did yeah we we've been this is the third time we talked about last time yes y'all agreed to do it and then I brought it back to you this time form of resol I don't recall us agreeing to do that because me and didn't think that I mean because we we made a decision and because of somebody else's um mistake right now we you're wanting us to go back and say yes let's give let's change the decision that we made we made a decision to make it three three 3% that's what it needs to stay um if whomever got the 3.5% then they need to not have it anymore I mean I don't think it's it's fair that we go back on what we agreed upon just because of somebody else's mistake wasn't this over at nickel yeah two sets shouldn't matter yeah I I agree however um I would tell you in my mind that basically just an experience of dealing with the um the CBA that if you say from this point forward everybody will get a 3% they're still going to want the back pay from today to um October and if we don't retroact those people back to that or and I I don't mean to respect here Chief if we don't take away that 0.5% that was given to those dispatchers we will absolutely get an unfair Labor practice and this city will be in front of the public uh uh emplo then you need to remove it because it was not supposed to be there in the first place I it it's I I do with the well of the council so I know I'm just I'm just saying then then it needs to be removed and because it wasn't supposed to be the first way 3% I mean 5% 2% whatever it was we we sat here and we went over a budget and we elected to do something specific yeah now we turn around and do something different then we're going to put ourselves in a position that somebody makes another mistake that's maybe more costly than that so now we're putting oursel in a position to to go with that mistake as well instead of correcting the mistake that was made I don't I don't disagree with you I'm just saying you have to do one or the other there two options here to avoid a lawsuit um with will be to either pass this resolution or go back and remove the whatever you paid those dispatchers that 0.5% all the way back to October and adjust their pay to 3% which if that's the desire of the council I will most certainly bring you a resolution uh back to do that um but I will tell you that those are the only two options you have in front of you you you can't anything that you do that because I recommended during a meeting with the the the one option I could do would be to we just because I did say what you said we could take away their money but I don't think they're going to be happy to do that that's um so um and I I agreed with DAR finess the last time and and agree again that I think this is a clerical era and it's unfortunate because it creates a situation where there can be bad feelings sentiments from the employees about the decision that we made which we made very clearly and Terry went back and went through meticulously went through the entire budget um meeting tediously and you know we did not approve 3.5% um that said I have thought about this and I do feel like I want our staff to be happy but my approach to this is if we this now then when the budget comes around next year there's going to be the rubber meets the road and the request for additional pay is this is going to factor in an additional 05% may not be there that people want and I also feel like I want to say you know it seems like not a lot of money but I was just told well gosh you know like that $10,000 that the city has to have to pay to pay for wyaa that's going to put a huge burden on the parks department and you know suddenly $10,000 is a huge burden over here but it's not a huge burden there and I just think it's really important that the city employees understand that there's a pothole that can practically swallow my car at the end of my driveway or at the end of my street that I live on and yet there's no money to fix the pothole so $10,000 is $10,000 and while I'm happy to go forward and say look let's just make it 3.5 so everybody stays happy it's going to call them that a cost and that cost means let's not complain about having to Mo and let's get those potholes fixed and not say that there isn't money for that here it is right but here's the thing we give them the 05% now and retroactive come the new year they're still going to ask for a raate and I won't I won that5 won't be there for me right it won't be for you probably won't be for me then we still have three other people that are sitting here that will probably give them a raise because that's what we do every year whether people you know we need to or not we give money out um I I can certainly weigh in I mean I think I think that there are really three options someone correct me just to clarify you could pass as it is now you could um do what Terry says is option two which is retroactively um resend that 0. five and um reduce everyone's pay to to put them on the same playing field um alternatively you could split this up and retroactively pay the 0. five to whoever didn't get it up until now and then moving forward from now do your 3% um so that is your other option as well that's I correct moving moving forward everyone would receive 3% but compensate everyone who didn't receive the0 five from the time that we started the raises to present so that's that's your third option I just don't want that to be on what I would I would not make them pay back but I would stop it and leave it others I would pay the% from now from October to now and then leave them allone Mr yes rce my dispatchers pay raate from this point for correct you will reduce my dispat thank you correct ice it you will reduce my dispatchers pay correct Mr Fuller there is a fourth option I believe and that option would be to wait until New budget if the raise is 3% or across the board the dispatchers would get 2.5% and everyone else get 3% and all you've done is delay this group of employees for that period of time so everybody ends up the same place I don't think that's an option I would not recommend that mostly because then you'll have passed a budget that has the same issue as what we're dealing with right now and then I I think that it will just get very complicated to say no you have to look at the the last year's budget see how it was really is equal but it's not equal but this budget's equal but if you take into account both of the budgets then they're not equal I I I wouldn't recommend that I'm just saying that that way you're not taking money from anyone you just delayed some for a year you're really not taking money from anybody it was a mistake you know typically typically what people do is they they turn around and they take it back and they want to pay it all back at once no you don't P of course that's not what we would we would we but um yeah so Mr Mr Fuller I think the problem here is that we're dealing with the Union under the collective bargaining agreement and they are going to be unwilling to wait for for us to do something like that even though that that makes sense I get it but they are not going to wait that long we will by far be in a court of law long before that occurs well let me let me add something to this and like we all said it was a clerical mistake uh that the dispatch has got a 3.5% but you know people have built their their lives and their families off the monies that they receive even though they W they weren't supposed to receive the 3.5% now we're going to take it from them okay uh that's going to create chaos uh among these employees and we could lose some good and we can lose them let me tell you something about a dispatcher people think so little of dispatchers because they think you sit behind the desk and just answer phone they're your Lifeline they're my lifeline they're my officer's lifeline and that's a job that is taken very serious if we're going to cut dispatchers pay over $10,000 when we all sit here and you talk about how we do this and do that we spend money and we change things all the time in this Council that's what makes us great because we're flexible and we can maneuver and we can change as need to be I don't agree with cutting the dispatchers pay at 3.5% if we need to readjust it next year like Miss Meredith said on something totally different I'm okay with that but to go back and cut those employees pay for the job that they do is wrong and I'll never stand behind it and the life of my officers depend on those dispatchers so just to be clear the five% has nothing to do with the job title it has everything to do with the fact that that was not what was agreed upon okay there's a lot of things there's a lot of things on this Council that we do that's that we haven't agreed upon like you just had a a discussion about the money about putting a three phase or running the the electric over to the town homes that you said you didn't know about right because but you just approved it correct but he also said it was built in all already but you didn't know that so so therefore right but I know what we agreed upon okay well so that's not what we agreed upon so if that's not what we agreed upon then that's not what should be be happening well so the reason I asked the question is because I needed an answer for something that I didn't know or understand he gave me that answer what I'm talking about I know about because that's what we voted voted on and the fact that it was a clerical era that's not the council's um that's not council's fault you know what I'm saying so it's it's correct the mistake but I'm I'm going to be not too popular here it's our it's the council's fault as well because we didn't catch it from the three and a half to three we didn't catch it nobody would see a budget but I could have sworn we had our meeting two weeks ago you said it's only a Nick I've got no problem that is correct that's exactly what said and that was that that is correct un Donald I'm just I'm I'm just saying we just need to be careful we need to be careful when we make decisions and because there is a clerical error or something happens that we go back on the decisions that we've made because then it eventually at some point is going to put us in a Bine and it's gonna cause problems I get it no we don't want to take money from people but that was not what was agreed upon um you're 100% correct it's not what you agreed on and there wasn't a mistake um a lot of times we often stand up here as managers and we take credit and we claim success for our staff um so I'll do the opposite of that as well I'm ashamed that this was brought forward and I'm ashamed that there are employees that are pitting other employees and putting them in this position and I apologize to the chief on behalf of my staff and I think this is ridiculous but unfortunately we have a collective Bary agreement that has empowered a few people to do this and they've convinced them to do it and now what happens is you guys are put in a rock in a hard place where you punish good people who did nothing wrong or you reward and you reward people who don't deserve it or I mean that's kind of the option that you have I mean and so I don't envy the decision you make and miss miss Hines you're 100% correct in in principle I agree with you but in Morality I agree with the chief that the only people that are going to be hurt here are the dispatchers and so I just want to put that in perspective that I'm sorry this is happening we talk to our staff but you know there's a difference between what management can do and the rights that the non-exempt employees have and you know um the only comment I've made to my staff when they've brought this up with me um which I typically tell them I don't discuss anything revolving the collective Bing agreement but in the rare occasion that they get me outside of this place without a badge and without being in work hours is I think that it's a shame what you guys are doing and I hope that Council remembers this the following year when raises come up and so that's what I would suggest is that you guys consider that to these folks when this comes up in just a few months I mean we're going to be talking about this in May we're going to be proposing stuff and I as a manager can promise you I won't be proposing anything significant and this is one of the reasons why um so I would just hope that you take that into consideration Mr Bishop did you have something just to chime into that it's probably not very popular either um but I'm not very happy with the fact that they're holding it over our head either um and the fact and and the fact that we're being threatened essentially um there's no other way to put it we're being threatened with a lawsuit over near nothing and yes it is possibly a nickel to and looking at it that's what I see it depends on how much the dispatcher makes um and what the difference is for them I don't think it's more than 10 cents it's probably more an average of a nickel an hour but the Retro that the employees would get is going to be totally insignificant and they're doing this to the city in that name I'm not very here so either we do it and we just go on down the street and you know we'll address um come budget or our new city manager is going to be wondering like what in the world did I get into so yeah [Music] so well if if I can if I can add this before we get too far um you know my job as a city manager is to protect the city from litigation and always put oursel in the best place possible I've done that the whole time I've been in here I've done that the whole time through my my care of law enforcement officers and sometimes you just can't right um this is not one of those positions where we can't I I would suggest that whatever position we put ourself in that we understand that this is the best position legally that we can move going forward if if we if they file an unfair Labor practice and we go to they go to perk and we go to hearing officer and we lose and we they we appeal it and we lose um they can demand attorney fees from up which could be in the T and that's from our labor on top of our own legal fees on top of compensation to equal other yeah and I'm not picking one or the other I apologize for bringing this forward I misunderstood what y'all wanted um I should have brought it back for more discussion I I will absolutely prepare whatever document you want um you know I'm going to lose friends over this you know but my job is you're looking for my recommendation it is to put us in the best position forward your position was what as far as a recommendation the least likelihood of Lo is passing this as it is the second least likelihood of lawsuit is compensating back and then reducing everyone to 3% forward and then the last option is the most aside from the fourth option which is do nothing about it and keep it going which is the absolute that that would be my ranking if you're looking for terms of liability and WR my fir you said it's $10,000 about 10,000 yeah it's about $110,000 which roughly what it's going to cost and stepen actually broke it down by budget General budget utilities fund airport um was broken down in that manner um you know so I I won't I won't be here this happen okay so um I hate to say that I get theen it back that's an option so and and you know we just went through and I'm just going to tell you we just went through a whole deal with the Union on this whole unfair labor factor and we were able to negotiate a deal because of that state statute came out where we thought one thing they thought something else it turned into an argument we got bullheaded we finally agreed okay we'll do this y'all do that we'll pay our legal fees you pay yours we're happy um you know so we're happy not to leave it in the which is not always favorable so whatever you decide it's got to be got to be what yeah yeah you got to think about that I still say I'm I'm I'm still yeah and I'm okay Miss H I am my job is to give y'all good advice um so city manager I think I've done that um my job is also to push forward your decision so I I don't go either way so whatever and and I don't have any feeling is whatever the desires the city council have and I've said it before I will make sure those desires are answer your question yes a motion would be appropriate okay I make motion approve resol so you're approving I'm approving the ra the% yes I'll second the motion but I I do want to say with reservations about the way this was handled and also very much appreciating the dispatchers but also recognizing that if I got my paycheck from my boss and there was an extra $50 not that I expected them to do math but I wouldn't feel like I was owed that extra $50 I was say hey there's clerical error here I think and again I didn't expect them to do math and and not what I'm saying but just that it was a clerical error in their favor not a chosen 3.5% the longest second not that they don't so you second it all right got a first got a second any other discussion not rewarding somebody I'm going to say I don't like it I will okay any other discussion all right so we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos I all right let direct shows 4 to one me Dar miss high all right public participation number item six one more statement when we pay them the Retro I want to know how much each person because I want to know if it was worth it okay absolutely um this is second opportunity to address the council and anytime anybody from the audience come speak at 30 for five minutes on any topic other hello just please state your name good evening my name is verdell Garrick and I have um several things I'd like to ask questions about to make sure I clear the first one is from Mr I want to make sure I understand that you said you got an offer to use the gym at the old middle school for restoration Center so let me be very clear the owner that that was looking at buying the property from the current me back up the person that was wanting to purchase the property from fluid from the owner as he walked out of here said you know uh I would would I would even be I would even I don't really back ver verage but his verage was you we can look at the basketball court you know that maybe we could figure out a way to let the community use that so are when you say the basketball court about I say when you say the basketball court are you talking about the actual gym yeah I'm assuming there's a basketball court there right yes but I just want because you know basketball courts are also outside so I just want to make sure we here no it's talking about the gym I'm ass about the building now now how they partition that out I don't know and whether he reigs on that I don't know it just Peak my interest yeah I'm just Asing because I know other organizations are working on the same project so well that's great cuz we get it look but different different sources but the same Pro the same thing about the next thing I have a question about is ya a restoration par I understand that that the city is helping to fund the mowing is what she said and elected but also we have the little Raiders who produce ban Mitchell or national football player they don't have any prer that they can practice what they do so that par should be available for them to utilize as well so is that cuz I heard them say everything but football they play football they play Raiders play I think the Raiders he play for them because my son was on the Raiders are they a different group yes I don't know yeah they I've talked with them not I never because city is help to fund that we're all a part of the city so they should be able to utilize that Park as well as any other athletic group as long as it within their schedule yes well they can schedule them is what I'm saying they can be scheduled like anyone else yes they can actually they can actually come to the city and fill out a request to to use the park um and uh the way the contract's written pretty much U there's nothing stopped them going out there and having a program out there especially if the people are not willing to put the program on exactly so I'll let them know that yeah so you could you could tell them come see me okay bring but I understand I want to make sure that I understand that the conversation that we talking about is $10,000 toal not $10,000 per ,000 for everyone who needs and going forward compensation yes yes for total package of compensation for yeah now maybe $1,238 28 but it's going to be in that La okay I just to make sure that's Ral that's not going forward no no that's all that's unless stepen still online and I got it wrong that's everything yeah I have another one but I need to do it a different way but those are the questions I appreciate it very much for your time and hopefully do you need to see me after the meeting I okay thanks for Sting the all right anybody else all right item seven announcements St yeah yes ma'am no you no you go sure all right so um anyway so uh was talking the tomorrow not tomorrow but their next meeting uh between 4:30 and six o'clock there's going to be a reimagine Willison interactive static display out in the lobby out here um so you know after receiving the input that they did JB Pro which I believe is behind the project basically um felt it would be an a good opportunity to reinduce it to the atin Happ again or maybe more input and ideals from the people or citizens that come so so that will be between 4:30 and 6 right before our next city council regular city council okay I just want to re announce that qualifying for city election started Monday January 20th we're in on Friday at noon uh January the 24th seat I'm sorry not seat but group a Michael Cox seat Group B vice president Darkness hind seat Group C Meredith Martin seat are all open so if anybody wants to pick up a packet for qualifying for elections please see me and it is also on our website under elections if anybody's looking for that information and don't forget Monday 9 o' we start interviewing is that correct that was my have any interv yes in an hour for break lunch and and we're hoping to return to you all tomorrow if we will not um all the questions but um very few people only have no very few people have said I want 10 questions so like how many questions you on top of all the ones that we have no I Pi four of oh yeah I went through the 26 questions and picked my top clearly I think what what I'm looking for is ma' no what we're looking for us out of the questions that we sent out to you which ones do you definitely don't want ask so like like I guess I I a few yeah I thought it was 10 questions total for the yeah not AG it but we did that's 10 no ma'am yes sir Mr no I I mean I'm gonna have to send you out the question and and I will crosswalk the ones that y'all sent me back since then and basically because I thought you had more than that I did yeah I had like 14 14 14 or 15 and that was going back and going through them again and going well this one kind of resembles this one that three of us got questions so it may be my bad they may be less than the 26 that I thought right there may only be 14 so so let me let me let me I'll be glad to put them all together tomorrow and send them out to you as long as we limit the interview right and it's fair that and 45 minutes right and that I think each council member needs to get a set amount of time and we can't go over because otherwise it's not fair to the other Council MERS right that's why I thought it was anyway all right anybody else Council please all right well it comes that time it's a J at time can I get a motion to adjourn we got a first we got a second that wasn't a motion any other discussions good time is now 10:08 and this meeting is over [Music] you