good evening everybody today is Tuesday December 3rd time is now 6 pm and that in the city of Williston city council has come to order all right roll call please Mr R
mayor Goodman abson council president Co here vice president hin here council member Jones here council member Martin here council member Ricky she's going to be
late city manager Terry Bard here attorney Kiren Balo here city clerk Latricia Wright I am here and all other staff thank you all right thank you uh opening prayer and Pledge of Allegiance
if you will please bow with me dear heavenly father be with us tonight as we go about the business of our city be with us as we make sound decisions and listen to everyone and what everyone has to say thank you for all the things all our blessings through Thanksgiving and
the Christmas to come keep all our workers Safe Keep Us Safe on the road in Christ's name we pray amen amened States all right item one additional
deletions changes and approval of the agenda I'm approval of the sorry like we have a change sorry yes we do I would like to make a correction on your agenda um from the November 19th
meeting I misspoke when it was asked on where the city manager's job was posted it is on the correct is on indeed Florida government jobs and Florida League of cities not
fmit so I misspoke and said fmit instead of BTO Liga cities so the minutes from that agenda reflect fmit not border Lega cities council president while she's
stating that also on the November the 6th meeting minutes for chief Lamar sto it said approve motion to approve the fire assessment it should St
study and I up okay I'll check in okay I move approval of the agenda with those changes under the consent agenda second all
right any discussion anyone all right we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I no item two mayor student of the month we have a special
guest Mr Mayor could not be here police chief rolls all right I'm going to do the best I can with this I'm not the mayor but uh think I can probably do a little bit better than okay so we'll start uh today is uh we're going to do the student of the month the
mayor student of the month is Marshall we Whitman okay we'll skip that one and we'll go to Mr Frasier Warren come on up my friend all right Miss Fran my name is
Mike Rose I'm chief of police of course I know your name now FR right all right okay so for the mayor student of the mon I don't know if you know this person or not know you know her Miss glit put you in
for student of the month and she made these comments about she said waren has demonstrated that he has strong moral character of honesty by his actions and words he has shown that the that he follows the golden rule of honesty which
is if it's not right don't do it if it's not true don't say it he does an outstanding job of upholding the value and remaining true to himself his commitment to honor honesty is part of what makes him a wonderful student to
have in class all right that is absolutely phenomenal so with that I will present you with the mayor outstanding student award says presented by Charles Goodman mayor city of willingston that is not
me this is to certify that Warren Frasier Jr is awarded this certificate of academic Excellence leadership citizenship and attendance at Wilson Elementary School given the third day of December 2024 and you want me to sign it or you
want sign you want me to I got to do this in front of you like you're in an NFL draft Warren congratulations outstanding for a teacher to say such great powerful words
about a young man about honesty being true and faithful means a lot should be very proud of that [Applause]
now I'm going to give you something else and this is from a local restaurant here in town you like you like Japanese food you like McDonald's I'll treade I'll buy you a Happy Meal for this
huh can man you have a hard bargain this is from Shogun the local restaurant here in Willison and they're saying M Charles Goodman we would like to congratulate the student of the month for their outstanding achievement with this certificate good for one kid meal and
Ice Domino well you don't want it I'll take there you go buddy good job excellent thank you come on back up here we got to take a picture bro it's me and you come [Applause]
on did I do all right on that one I ain't done yet don't give me too much props all right is Nicholas here no necklace either y'all are making this way too easy for
me okay well we're going to move on Mr President I'll turn it back over to you sir thank you sir you might as well stay right there your wait a minute I want to say one more thing before I before I step away and go to the next thing you know it is
so nice to see teachers recognizing students for great things because in today's world it's so easy for us to overlook the good things but we always focus on the bad things on the negative things so
when you see teachers you know doing things like this recognizing kids we should celebrate that but not only should we celebrate the teachers for doing it because we know that as a parent somewhere that has a part in that kid in the upbringing of that kid a
parent a grandma Aunt Uncle cousin somebody and we should celebrate people for bringing young men up in this world because this world is totally different than any other world I've ever been in and this is the only one I've been in so that ain't too much to compare it to but
anyway uh it is great to see us doing things like this for our youth because that is so so important so vital for their future and they're so to the moms to the dads grandparents the uncles cousins brothers sisters whatever we
salute you for taking part and being interested in the development of these young men and women so give yourself hand all right now sir all right item three introduction of new police officer Samuel
Watts by police chief Mike BRS Mr Watts would you please come forward please you know it's it's always you know there's there's two things about things I like about my job one of
them is I love getting new employees and bringing them into our community to represent us well but I hate losing employees as well especially when they're good dedicated hardworking men and women that are here
in our community uh Mr Watts is here because we lost a good employee uh for some other reasons that's nothing bad uh so Mr Wattson is stepping in and it's an honor for me to have a chance to meet this young man sit
down talk with him get to know him and understand him and know that he's somebody that we're bringing into our community and into our agencies who's going to reflect well on all of us uh and that's what's important to me because these guys guys and girls they
represent me they represent this city so it's vital to me that when we get a candidate we bet them thoroughly and make sure that they're a good fit for our community everybody's not a good fit for Willison everybody's not a good fit
for Cal a Maran C uh so we take great pride we take our time in identify good young men and women bringing to our law enforcement agency hence this is why he's here today so let me introduce you to our newest member of the Willison
police department and to the city of Willison officer Watts worked for oala police department for two years and the Department of Corrections for four years also watch uh Focus mainly on traffic and DUI reports while working as a sworn
officer with the Ocala police department officer was is a husband Megan welcome to the family uh whom has uh he has two children Jeremiah Jeremiah there he is
and Joseph Watts I see you buddy uh officer wats and his family recently moved back to LY County area officer was is going to be a great asset to the willingston police department due to his previous law enforcement experience and his
Correctional now let me tell you a little bit about the correction experiences that is so vital as well as the contr part of it in a correction facility and the city manager can vouch for this you have to learn how to communicate effectively okay because when you work
in a correction facility honestly they can take over anytime they want all right City yes City so him having and bringing his correction experience here to this
agency shows me that one he knows how to effectively communicate with people and he understands is the importance of respect for everybody you know uh and if he don't he won't be here long I promise but but uh
he he is he has come to the city of Wiston wanting to be a police officer we're welcoming him we're opening our arms up to him and we're so proud to have him and I think he's going to bring a lot a lot of community policing and
contact to our city and I think he's going to represent present all of you and me in this city well so let's give him a hand clap and welcome him to city thank you anybody needs anything I driving
around in police vehicle that's the first test right hey he's helping me already yeah right he did help me there you go president turn it back over to you sir thank you sir you did a great job sir all righty item four Proclamation
volunteer awareness please City man Terry forvard right there all right can y'all hear me all right very good so like I said I get the honor tonight of representing the mayor and
reading a proclamation that uh he wanted me to read and uh basically I'm going to go ahead it's all about volunteer awareness volunteer awareness day and um I'll go ahead and get started so where is a volunteer
awareness is a recognize the hard work dedication and the passion volunteers national service members throughout our great nation whereas last year more than 65 million Americans gave their time and service to our nation which is a testament to the compassion and
generosity of the American Spirit and whereas the city is committed to encouraging volunteerism and national service among its employees citizens Partners businesses and organization that thanks all volunteers and members in our community for their dedicated
service and whereas the city of willon believes that the government alone can not meet all the city's needs so we partner with businesses faith based organizations nonprofit organizations foundations and individuals who serve in the city government and in our community
to make a different and whereas the city is proud to engage residents and partners in volunteer awareness now therefore I Terry Bard on behalf of Mayor Charles Goodman of the city of Willison together with members of the Willison City Council you hereby
recognize December the 4th 2024 as volunteer Awareness Day in witness thereof and here unto set my hand and cause to be AIX seal city of Willis Florida on this third day of December in the year of Our Lord
2024 city of Willis is signed by Terry Bard on behalf of Mayor Charles good thank you very [Applause] all right thank you sir all right item five public
participation this is your first of two opportunities to address the council at this time anyone in the audience can come to the podium and speak for five minutes on any other topic than what is on the agenda anyone on the ring central
meeting wish to participate unmute your mic and speak up now nothing heard item six consent agenda these are the council minutes for November 6 2024
and Council minutes from November 19th 2024 a move approval of the consent agenda with the changes as previously stated is there a second second we have a first we got a second any
discussions all right seeing none we'll move to vote all in favor say I I I okay it's 5 Z updates staff board and Council updates city manager Terry thank you Mr
President so I'll be brief just want to let you know that as uh the time draws near here towards the end of January you that I still have several things on on my plate that I have to to work on and push through and I want to just bring your attention real quick um just so also if there's something that I've
forgotten that y'all asked me to do please let me know to remind me um the two big things that I got going on obviously is still the WIA umou with them about the park up there and then uh myself and Mr Barbera
have the water and wastewater uh thing going on water so at some point we're going to have to go back uh and I know he's been in contact with them but we have to go and meet with them and go over some of our numbers and see where we stand with them those are the really two things that I have on my plate that I know that
I can accomplish um before the new city manager steps in um if there's anything that I've forgotten um other you need all right staff anybody got anything
yes if you all would notice on the diet I put a flyer about Tex my go everyone should have it we're getting ready to roll it out um we have it so
far on our face I'm sorry on the website and on the top one the very top one it says report issues if you scan that it would give you instructions on if you need to report like a pothole water leag
electrical I mean electric out outage and just different issues that you see within the city the bottom QR code is for you to receive notifications from the city like for instance if the guys are working on the
Fire hydrants and the water pressure is low in your area you'll receive a text stating that information so when you get a chance if you can before you leave if you want to try out the first one that way you'll know how to instruct someone else if
they ask you how to use it you'll be able to tell them exactly the steps to go through and my second thing is just don't forget about the parade if you're going to be in the parade Saturday uh the lineup is at 5:00 I don't know what
time you guys want to meet over at the fire department so we start lining up at 5 line up is at 5 o' okay heard is going to be in the 40s I'm not
sure so we'll see and that's all I have all right just curious with the council how many are planning to ride on and we're going to ride on the semi triler yes all right very
good all right does anybody have anything from Mr Mayor he may anybody anything okay all right I have okay um I just want to let yall know that I've been in the hospital again with the same group that we were with
before they actually came back with an engineer and an architect um and I overheard most of what they're planning would like to do and it sounds so exciting you would not believe it um all for our veterans that are here in
this area they also are trying to they also make connections with the VA hospital because they don't need the whole 26,000 sare ft and the VA needs 9,000 so they're going to try to work together U Mr Oli White over in the leby
county veteran service office has also got their contact information um and like I said this is the second time they've been there and I'm feeling really good about we'll just cross our fing all right all right item eight new
business a discussion with possible action Poole problems in the city and other issues Willis than resident Timothy eer no one more time Mr all
right all right Item B resolution 2024 -97 a resolution of the city council of the city of Williston Florida establishing authorization for the Willison city council president to sign
an an agreement to approve the contract for IP transport services with Lumen and not to exceed $36,000 and providing an effective date Public's work supervisor Donald Barber
and IP director Aon evening Council uh this contract is one part of the replacement of the wholesale internet that we currently have for C link which will become Williston fiber um and this part is required to provide improved services
and IP addresses um so actually this no this would be the new one then so this is a cogent the contract with cogent we have a closet over there that's can have some improvements on the other Wing um and this would be the feed I believe it is uh what's the gigabytes on it uh 10
gig we're starting with 10 gig and we're starting with a thousand addresses and so this is um contracts and work that has to be done to implement what did the engineers come up with to move forward with the um and then if you don't mind I can do the second one at the same time that's
all right you guys can vote on them both at the same time different we would have two separate votes but if you want to explain them both at the same shell the first one is the transport that we have to buy from Lumen to get the services to us and then
the second one is for the services coming from coent to us we have to pay for the pipeline between us and then we get services from had a one a few months ago that was the current service that we currently have which will be an internal service of the city these two as Aaron
just mentioned one is the transport so one is cogent which will provide the addresses and provide the actual bandwidth but then the second contract is going to be the actual companies that own the lines and actually we have to pay them to transport the information
it's kind of like if you think about the power of the past we pay fmpa for the power but there is a fee for due for the trans support of that power same thing here and getting that information and of course was out to the dollars yes sir so it's in the budget
it's all good so currently cink can Stephen if he's on he can speak to this has um budgeted money but not in total for this the the only reason why we would do this is obviously for the fiber development and so that money would be wrapped up with in the loan that would
be taken out it would all be included unfortunately this is about a 3 to four month process and this could hold up actual connection we could already have things built we have to get these addresses and we have to get this bandwidth in order to provide service so that's why we're doing it now because if
we can get the installation and everything moved forward it won't in any way affect our timeline hopefully of getting uh actual customers online cool is there a way to say no after we say yes not well it is a
contract so I mean the city has internet services and Aaron could speak more to that I mean we would be able to strengthen what we have for ourselves in city we could release out that we would own the addresses so we could sell the addresses which are extremely valuable but no I don't think we can get out of
the contract well like any contract I'm sure there's an out clause there not sure where what it would be but it would cost us something obviously to get out of contract and I think one of the issues with these two items discussion myself and Aon is that we we had these for
several months had them on the back burner and you know didn't bring them to y'all because we really couldn't see you approve the once he approved theou it was possible to go ahead and get them in front of y'all for your approval and it is like what Donald says if we if we were to put this off for three months
that puts us three to five months down the road getting this work done and then we would literally have fiber in the air with nothing to transport it no IP addresses to give the customer so we were in somewhat of a laundry with
which way to go and this is the best path for most certainly look at the contract see if there's an out clause um I don't recall one my only worry would be if the contract
doesn't go through with the dep Services yeah and they were stuck with these with this cost that would be my only that I mean that's me thinking both directions yeah I mean I have to think about that too yes I want to do it yes I realize it's going to take a while to get
it but I want to make sure that the the loan goes through with Performance Services or we're stuck paying this anyway and I hear you say that we could boost what we have currently if if I can the contract won't become effective until the service is put
in okay that's normally how they do it until they provide you the service that's when your contract starts so we've got until it's installed which could be three to four months you would still have that time frame that we could say hey look things fell through so you don't have to sign it and pay money
until you don't have to pay anything deliver it yeah nothing's done until it's deliver I think they feel better that's the way they typically there you still you don't your billing doesn't start until you're actually have service
so you're not paying for anything until it's actually done I know but you don't have to sign the contract to get up started yes you do because they're because they're laying out money they're laying out money in materials to do this and it does take that time frame of 90 to 120 days to get it done to
establish but we would still be on the hook we just have to hope the other we agree to do the other and they agree to do the other after done any other discussion with councel all right so what we're going to do is we're going to vote on resolution
2024 d97 I make a motion that we approve resolution 2024 all right we have a first we got a second any other discussion all right seeing none move
vote all in favor say I please go up to your microphones andos no right all right next one we're going to vote on is C is resolution
I make a motion that we approve resolution 2024 100 got a first got a second all right any other discussion all right we're gonna none we're going to move to vote all in favor
say I oppos No 5 Z all right item d is a quad judicial Mr Mayor this it's been a long
day um this is resolution 2024-25 a resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida approving a proposed final Subdivision plat for towns of Willison um this is a quasa Judicial proceeding anyone who has any
information um that they would like to present any documentation that they would like to present um in physical form please provide that to the clerk now other than what in the packet okay I'll ask the members of the council if they have had any exper take Communications on this exper
Communications or any Communications that you've had regarding this topic um outside of public meeting anyone okay all right Mr President anyone who wishes to speak on this item please
stand uh raise your right hand pleas for do you swear or affirm the testimony you give will be the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth all right thank you now would be time for staff presentation thank you Miss G this is the towns of Williston um this
is their their plat you guys have seen this multiple times you're going to see it one more time after this in Jan January but um this will be our final plat so the town of Williston falls under the description of a major subdivision and must follow the chapter 56 subdivision regulations of the
Willison code the project is located on the corner of Southeast forth and Southeast 12th uh the legal description is in the application milrose properties is the owner and Steve McMillan is here he is the agent towns of Willison consists of 5.01 Acres with 58 Lots
Ingress and egis to the development will be located off of Southeast Forth Street our easements have been put in place to accommodate electric water and sewer um we had a track needed for the lift station and rways will be dedicated to the public common areas and drainage
easements are maintained and managed by the homeowners association Am I Wrong already the rways are private approval of the development complies with the Land Development code for a major subdivision so staff commends approval I
did give you guys some large Maps those are what's rolled up in front of you so that you can see it a little bit better but um you're not going to find anything big any different from what you've seen before
here we're not going to have a de meeting or is that all for your presentation good all right now would be time foration has City this a County Road
okay just don't know how we can call it a you want me to call County Road it's got different I was trying to figure out where where Southeast 12th Street what straight Avenue was and they're really not Ian it doesn't matter I was just
trying to decide if it was in City Li maybe you can ask the streets and Roads guy because I don't know that much about Ro it's got three names three names bpot but it's not in I know it's
bpot and I know it's County Road 316 but I it's not in the city Lim is that correct are you referring to on the flat the Southeast 12th Place NOP that's inside the the subdivision okay so you're talking about 316 yeah if youall
notice it says that Southeast 12 yeah so one lane would be within the city limits from my understanding and the South Lane is in the county so I I believe that if you look at the county property of appraiser uh it's kind of like where the old middle school was we had the West
Lane and the county had the East right long as waiting for an intro uh Steve McMillan I'm the uh applicant for this you seen it about a year ago not like la said nothing's really changed with the flat we added some fine tune some
easements for a water meter box and some stuff that the engineer saw along the way and things that change along the way as they start construction permitting and Engineering all the good stuff but they've bonded out and ready to go to
final how long that take my end or their end you talking about the build out when they we start they haven't put in any permit okay my end you know once this approved Here We Gather
signatures I'll have it record by Jan as as instruction I have a question if you don't mind yes we were talking about the easements earlier was it easement or the RightWay okay so the EAS coming from
Fourth Street going into the subdivision is private is there a sidewalk there or will be a sidewalk there I don't have don't I think there's one across yeah
it's running across the street I'm just I'm I'm trying to I'm kind of worried about the easement part of it I mean as far as La enforcement yeah that's why I'm asking that question maybe you can help me out
there I'm I'm not really clear on that they're saying the EAS coming off of four Street going into the subdivision is private so from Once they get off Fourth Street doesn't the city own 20t off the
road or 10t off the road am I correct something like that your question can you enforce State can we enforce state laws on that on that right away well it won't be public it's private it's always public I think the issue of the roads being
private enforce certain law inside that sub yeah but I'm I'm speaking from four Street going to the entrance of the sub Vision that's private correct the roadway or the the edge of the roadway coming Fourth Street going into the
subdivision yes the edge of the roadway going into the now there 30 ft is still P okay that's what I wanted to know the roadway paved roadway is not centered inside of the public road right I just
wanted to make sure there was still that public strip there okay all right I'm good Council got any questions anything else from the applicant I have one question you may or may not know the answer are there so many multiple
buildings so it won't have to be sprinkled I mean why why are there so many individual buildings instead of making it one big building or or even two and two and two are there four on one side I'm going to have any idea about that architectural question I'm
going to assume that lard probably had standard set ofans from and they're able to there what I'm guessing without having anybody who might know maybe the fire chief will they have to sprinkle these individual
building no that's what that's probably what it is they're old they're not they what homes right yeah I know they're not rentals they're for purchase what do you
mean just I just can't figure out why they're doing because if you got a big commercial building he's exactly right if it was a commercial building it have to be sprinkled over certain number of square feet um for example Shadow trailers is
separate building so they wouldn't have to put in spr know that um because sprinkler cost so much so they put it in separate buildings and just move their production from one building to the next as they progress um and I just couldn't figure
out why and it's just me just curiosity why in the world there there are 12 separate buildings I just thought that was it almost cost more to make 12 separate buildings I would think because you have to do 12 separate exteriors and roofs if except you know
put it all together I realize it's probably the same number of square feet all the space not the Mrs Jones if I may yes please the end units are um more desirable so they
try to make more the end units are more desirable so they try to make more understand little more thank you you're welcome made a lot of all right if there's nothing else from the applicant now would be time for
staff rebuttal no rebuttal than okay is there any commentary from the public okay uh any rebuttal from the applicant Mr President now would be time for Council discussion and a vote appropriate okay
then public Mo resolution the M approve resolution 2024-25 second we have a first we got a second any other discussion all
right move vote all in favor say I I I those oppos 5 Z thank you and we are closing this as a the next item is not all
right item e resolution 2024-the city of Williston to move forward with RFP low bid repairs for the Fugate lift station through RCM utilities LLC in the
purchase of two portable bypass pumps through BBA pumps through the Sheriff's Association Cooperative purchase program and a new replacement primary pump through FJ
nougat and Associate Inc and providing an effective date public work supervisor Donald Barber and Mr wal thank you Mr President as you and the other council members are aware we've been struggling for many
months to come up with a good solution to the problem that we've been having at the uh Master lift station for the city um so uh the storms and the age of the equipment and the lack of capital investment uh it's in need of many
essential repairs as we've discussed previously uh in October the RFP went out in cooperation with Wright Pierce and the city staff um on repairs and installation of a bypass pump and also a
bypass installation to connect uh the staff recommended uh and after doing that that we did not go with any of the bids that came in through um the RFP for the actual purchase of the portable pumps so there's three components of
this I'll go over real quick and then if you have any technical question Walt is here to answer those we want to firstall at the fug get lift station just with inside the gate and outside of the actual structure a valve that would be able to take a
hose from one section of the wet well and bypass the actual station if all the pumps went down in an emergency connect to this new valve which is the force main to the plant and basically just circumvent that one station if that station were to have catastrophic
failure irregardless of whether we rebuild this station in the future or whether we keep a similar technologies that we have have there now that bypass pump will always be something that we should have had a long time ago in case of any kind of catastrophic failure the
alternative is basically hiring trucks to come in take a load take it to the plant take a load take it to the plant we did a little bit of the math we figured out we'd need about 17 trucks a day and at almost $1,000 a pop that's definitely not an affordable option uh
we would have to do that until a repair would be made so the bypass itself is critical to making sure that the station isn't something that we have to have running no matter what because you can't guarantee anything the second component
of that are the bypass pumps so this bypass pump is what they call a trash pump it has to be a certain size so that it transports a certain amount of waste it also can't be too big because you can overload the plant so obviously right
Pierce had a part in that that is where the hose goes into the wet well before the station and then goes in and connects to the bypass that we just previously spoke about so that's the second part of that within this proposal
and this resolution we are asking for two of those trash pumps and they are $53,000 approximately and many people may wonder why to well because if something were to happen to that one pump we can't use any of the water pumps
on the sewer so I couldn't pull the extra pump that we use for water leaks and all that because once I used it for sewer I wouldn't be able to return it back to service for water so we need a backup to that backup you always want that redundancy again because we'd be back to the trucks 17 trucks a day
transporting suit so that's the reason for the two pumps and then the last part of this is in in between figuring our s srf loan our state revolving fund which is specifically studying the critical nature of some of the sewer in most
parts of town that process being a long process of doing the study and then applying for the actual funds and making sure that you guys want to move forward with some of those Capital Improvements we have to make sure that the pumps are updated you'll only find one quote
within uh the packet and that's because over a period of about three and a half years we couldn't find a company that had any pumps that would fit in there and magically one just appeared and approached us probably through word of mouth of the engineers and others that we've had through uh Todd twofold uh
just trying to get the word out and we came up with this company FJ newent they met with the engineers they've assured us that they have a pump for about $24,000 that they believe they can retrofit and get working so that's what we're wanting to do currently as W I believe a couple meetings ago expressed
to you we've got three pumps one in the middle is completely down inoperable they went in there we've tried to work on it we tried to get it running not possible the primary pump which used to be the backup pump had electrical issues those were figured out and that pump's not leaking at all and right now it's
our primary so that was a great a great relief and then the pump that has been running it for probably about the last year and a half it's leaking like a c but it will work and it will run so in an emergency if the one pump fails we can use that but we don't know what that
lifespan of that leaking gaskets are going to be so what we'd like to do is that leaking pump in that third position to replace that with this pump so that we would have one brand new pump which be our primary and then the one that's currently our primary would be our redundancy and our
backup so if you're asking you know if we buy this pump um is this something that we would have if the station were redesigned I can't answer that question Walt wouldn't be a answer question we have to determine whether we keep a confined space but again that process for that srf loan is probably going to
be a minimum of a year away and in that time period you really don't want to have to rely on a bypass pump if something were to happen and again this is the master lift station two minor lift stations Russell and acre which take divisional waste transport to this
and every other lift station in town save Northwest 9th Circle and the new um uh Country Lane Estates lift station which used to be the Peggy O'Neal lift station so those two are the only stations that directly pipe to the the plant themselves in a singular pipe
through Peggy O'Neal Park other than that every bit of flow from the airport all the way way over to the southeast or the Northeast all of that flow comes into buug um it's not something that we can have go down so working within the mechanism of government how quickly it
moves this is what we've come up with and again if you have any technical questions wal can answer so Mr President I do have a couple comments real quick and both vaal Mr Barber can attest this also um when he talks about a critical failure you
our critical failure was noon on the last day of Milton Oren where a fuse knocked out that entire facility um we were 30 minutes away from shutting off all the water in
the city that is the only other option when that plant goes down that is the only thing we can do right now is to turn off every um the bypass pumps are so important and Donald and them have done this before where they replace these PP
Head live right which is an opinion of both myself and ni extremely dangerous obviously the thing fills up and you're in it um the other second pump we're talking about we actually we
use it as a replacement for the one we have on standby at the waste treatment facility so we have a need for this there's an issue that we have under control out there but that other pump is stand by or stood by there in case we have the issue come back up also just to
let you know talk to stepen today I know he's online uh the funds for this will come from the contingency funds from utility um and it's really a [Music] must like them it could easily go year
go 10 years obviously the srf Hope have but it is a welcome so quick so the portable pump it's not actually portable it's just called no they they are they're
trailer right here they're mounted on trailer they're diesel operated they're large size of a smaller than a van but they're a large piece of equipment that are on a trailer wheel so it can be moved around now the emergency pump the one
that I guess you're going to be your primary um so when it's attached so if it's the primary it's going to continue so it's not like if it goes goes down it will automatically pick up and do what you need to right well
within the three months per built in It's Made to operate with two PS running one is always you have a p syst be AV run back you've been running
with a single P for years years so we're going to get back to at least that single pum primary you have the one that you were able to get going October
second so yeah but they actually between the two pumps they're running electronically they C call primary but this one run the primary other the one thing I did want to add so yeah we put put out a bid you know came
to you wanted out the emergency repair the physical construction of the valve so for that doing that we're doing we also requested bids for pump also in and we could award just the connection just the pumps or any
combination we're only going with the connection from the L bidder from RCM they also put a up gave us a price for those portable pumps that price was $998,000 per pump
we were able to find and it was du to be that the Florida Sheriff Association has this piggy back purchase program Cooperative purchase program um and they have pumps that work surprises is that they have these types equipment and so
we're getting that for 52932 for S City saving $45,000 per P 9,000 Florida Association a huge saving for you I know this a big out outshell
for you but it could have been worse fortunately we were able to find that that per that is saving you that's why we're only taking oneu very important lesson be neglected this is where we're
at question pumps that we're putting in if we chose to rebuild the fev lift station would the pumps that are going in be able to work in any of the other lift stations I would say probably not I mean this is unique to this that
$24,000 for that pump put in the city's going to be doing the work they're doing the buying the equipment City St you're saving a lot of money there also with the city doing labor do that um $24,000 part well
well probably wouldn't somewhere it's Unique the pressure the depth the type of installation and what we eventually you're going to have to replace yug get it would probably be a different type station we we'll look at the CL analysis of that and we retrofit
would not they call we would analyze that when we get to that point but likely the okay we have any other question all right then I will entertain theemotion resolution2 second all right got a first
got a second any other discussion all right seeing none move to vote all in favor say I I suppos no 5 Z right thank you everybody item app resolution
2024 d131 a resolution of the city council of the city of Willison Florida reappointing Deborah Jones and Wayne Carson to the Willison General pension board respectively for the turns begin in
January 6 2025 and ending January 5th 2027 providing an effective date council member willon General pension board president de Jones I would say I'm the chair not the
president but yes this is a recommendation that comes to you from the pension board uh I am willing to serve again and so is Mr Parson and the term ised always expiring in January so what's the what's the process of
doing that the P Board is the one that make the recomendation as is on the board there's no ad if if there was a vacancy like Mr Mr Conley came off clay Conley came off and
Mr Carson came on somebody else came off y'all remind me who was the other person Laura came off and BJ pretty much in house because you have to know I I don't know if anybody who's ever served on it that wasn't a staff
member or a council member we have had as many as two council members at a time um we and we have always have try to have one person who's already retired to represent the retirees interest and we try to have a couple of employees to
represent the current employees I think our current makeup is three employees one retiree and one C that's our current makeup nope that's not right we have two others okay that's right so your position
ISS to be we need to be reappointed to serve again we don't usually um it's very technical um we need quarterly
Florida Le the city does come and and they tell us about all the Investments that are the pension fund money is put into an investment and they are they come and they give us that information they also uh do our minutes and you know
report the meetings the I think what else they do if we need to know uh for example another item on our agenda tonight where we need to know information they have an actuary like do a study and tell us how much that would
cost to actually do that benefit or make that Improvement um so there's no opportunity for anyone else to join Bo unless that's that's the way we've done it in the past doesn't
mean ask and answer yeah we've usually just if somebody drops off we somebody else hears that there's a drop and that's the position that coun I don't know what else to say answered it can I can I pick it back off
you're serve lri also Serv um what happens is when someone term is up the facilitator which is Jeremy who will ask the person that's getting ready to term that's getting ready to expire if they would like to continue on the board and
if they say yes then what we do is just we reaort them if they say no then then that's when we I will put out of notice that you have a opening on the pinion board so the reason I'm saying asking is because if somebody's term is up then
that means that gives somebody else an opportunity but if you do not tell somebody that there's an opportunity for the term that term is becoming vacant then they don't have that opportunity to say or think that they may want and when we look at
um people or whoever doing things with the city and growing the city they can't do that if there automatically they want continue without somebody else so that was all righty then I will entertain a
motion for resolution 2024 D13 I make a motion that we approve resolution 2024 131 got a first got a second any other discussion just other than
all right any more discussion any all right see none we're going to move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppos No 5
Z all right next is a public hearing this Mr President this is a quest a Judicial hearing this is on um ordinance 2024 739 an ordinance of the city of willson
Florida providing for the permanent closing of the unimproved road ride of ways a part of rard Street a part of Columbia Street and a part of Michigan Avenue further reported flat Hill Crest unit one as reported in flat book two page five of the public records of Ley County in Willison Florida that lie
within parcel ID number 06114 00-00 an approximate area of 2.78 Acres more or less in a description as an exhibit a finding that the closing of the road right of way will not adversely affect the public health safety or
welfare providing for the repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date I'll ask if any of the council members have had any expart Communications regarding this topic okay if anyone has any documentation that they would like to um
have in the record for this item that is not already in the agenda please provide same to the clerk okay anyone who wishes to speak to this item please stand and raise your right hand to be sworn it do you swear or affirm the testimony you gave will be the truth the whole
truth and nothing but the truth very much all right Mr President now would be time for staff to give their presentation Mr President if it's okay I'm sending um staff with one larger
copy to each side of the diet um because I noticed that it when it was printed out in the agenda was difficult to read if anybody like to take a look at the bigger one so this is a property
we've got some unimproved roads old plat property owner does not um want to use the roads for what his development is going to be the city does not want the roads so this is called a road vacation basically we're just going to vacate
those old roads and not ever improve them okay this can you identify it is the whole property yes the plant not built out uh yeah and in
the mini stories actually storage here so yeah these are all these these roads were added a 100 years ago and they've been a thorn in my side for everyone who's ever built anywhere we did the same thing for the church about the same amount of
Roads we Clos them off so the church build there um the major thorough fair is we were not allowed to close at that time so I did not ask for that but there was an old this is still unimproved here and then this one is unimproved this way but
the council at the time we did the church wanted to leave a couple of unconstructed Roads so this is the the balance of what would be left and they still have the old nams because they've never been constructed
yeah 60 foot right 20 something they had names his names they had yeah they had names back then remember yeah I remember the whole city when it had names sure Robson probably really nice are you that old I'm not sure you are like I grew up
on Church Street and it's down Southeast first half so totally different than what it was before it was Church Street there these plots of land that we're seeing these
Parcels they're not built out either I mean is it a subdivision still Hill is a pled sub yeah these are the blocks and the Lots inside of them and this gentleman owns all of the development right okay three
four five part of six this is Glenn Robinson seven and then eight is is uh gerer and I thought there was a second house there which we can't do that this is the old uh the Stony is or not
Stony Smokey Isen yeah property so this is just nothing but trees and trees and trees and trees and there's nothing he's now ready to do something with Hest that the told me do whatever
allowed of see my answer I see her turn on mic we're already pass all right Mr President now would be the uh staff rebuttal or closing if there is any I have no rebuttal staff recommends
approval of vacation of the road now would be the time for any public comment any applicant rebuttal or closing no I mean the this will be how many acres it is but the Acres will come back on the tax R finally be done I think I've seen this
for 30 years now is it currently Zone R1 or R2 he looking I think it might be commercial it's commercial might I don't have the map yeah that's the end of
your closing all right Mr President it is back to the council for discussion there's um Mr Robson I think it is he has a question you'll need to be in and sir
you did you have a question as well you have to be Robin can you stand up anyone who is decided that they're going to speak stand and raise your right hand and your names for the record oh look at
that all right do you each swear or affirm the testimony you give it be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you you're jie please state your name again Andy so roadway
no it's no existing r that roadway actually [Music] um North is upside down so it's a little bit Weir uh the paved Road of the church is over here Glenn's strip is
here and then we are not touching what would be Glenn's rights we can only close our half of what my client knows so there's a rectangle here time I saw um that we can discuss he but right
now that's not what my client he's not closing up so he owns these Blocks he's allowed to close that's why there's only half a road over here he doesn't but the full roads mmon where you're not closing the
other half that you were pointing to is that where the fenders live yes yeah are right this one and this one this is uh Le and vender can't we're not we don't have the rights to their side
of the street so we're only closing the sheet there's two houses here we can only own that's why we didn't do Glen Robinson here because we obviously we don't know his Happ he would if he closed it he would pick up that gentle not that one
right and the gerer house is this is the paid road to the church here and the church here her house the Cemetery Road here
okay Old House Old House Old House residence res sir go ahead and ask your question oh okay yeah all right thank you sir
all right all right it is the council's decision now to it's up for you to discuss make a motion there'll be public comment on the motion if there is a motion we got nothing to say I do that's why I
just didn't know if it was my turn yet and I'm sorry I have something to say whether you like it or not um I I have concerns for the residences that are in there and I and the fact that it's Zone commercial um and I that that's what
I'll just say that there are quite a few um I won't say quite a few there's probably three or four residences in there that's where the partial streets are that he's talking about um and they own the other side of the street which would be right in front
of their house so I worry about what they might do if if it's something commercial I'll just concerns about that so this isn't about the zoning of
the property it's just about those roads so he could still do commercial and just not be on the roads I realized that giv him more the road would be between them and give more of a buffer
that's in those certain areas where the resid block right right well whatever he does commercially he needs to buffer them according to our Cod and I know we left that open when they
built the church um we I they wanted to open I think they wanted to open it then and we said no they want at the church I tried closing everything we got yeah didn't work except that one and the
residences didn't want it open because they didn't want a through three Street I think it is a three street now are people driving through there in front of the louises there was a fence but there I don't don't think there is anymore so they are driving there
now that's the back way you're talking about right right so just as a side note um this is an ordinance so all the residen has got letter so they arew that this is happening they're not
uninformed is my problem this is also the first reading of dis ordinance this will come back before you for second reading just like every other word okay all right any other
concerns all right if not then I will entertain a motion for approve of ordinance 2024 737 739 got a first do I have a
second second first a second any other discussion all right see none move to vote all in favor say I I I those oppose No 5 Z and now that will close the public
hearing all right H discussion with possible action regular retirement or 25 years of service and out council member for Williston General pension board president deorah
Jones okay have on your diets you have this from Laura Underhill it states the it states three different things the ones we are currently concerned with are number two and number three we originally started with number
one which was when the employees asked to add overtime pay to their pensionable earnings excuse me I'm still joking and they uh put that one on the back burner and went to discussion of 25
an out and 30 an out we asked the actuary to do um a study which cost around $8 to $20,000 to actually get these numbers and he was doing it for the regular plan so it didn't cost twice
twice quite as much as it would have because we did it at the same time uh if you look at number two first and we're also talking October 1st to as October 1st of 2023 if you'll note the email is dated
in April so the last full year was the October 1st 2023 where he could look at the salaries of Arlo And he and they look at the age they look at when they would retire how long they've been here um they take all
that into account when they come up with the dollar amount for when they might could retire and that's the 20 and out right now you have to be a certain age in order to retire it's not 25 years
at any age or 30 years at any age it's 62 it's it's a little bit different for the police department because they are high high rank I mean High um word I'm TR to say here high risk thank you so much high risk um but and
so they're 55 but the others are 62 uh with full retirement at 62 if you've worked here for a certain number of time and you're invested um as you see number two is which is the 25 and out total that he gave us it says the total projected
liability is estimated to increase which is the to the plant $2,274 th000 and that is over the course of a whole year it would be that much um on the basis of the city's
contribution it's estimated that it would increase $4,560 2024 so because we were already in April so we have to go from April to October and that was just for that year which is a 2.5% increase in
payroll if we decided to do the 25 and hour can I ask a question yes ma'am so is that per person or is that for the whole for the whole payroll for everybody that was currently in the pension plan so it doesn't
include the police officers it doesn't include the fire department it's just the general employees because they have their own pension plan that's separate from this one and they have their own separate pension board anybody in that Pion board they have that one as well
um also effective if you look at the next one down again a year ago when they looked at this they actually looked at April but they had to look at the last four year of wages and so they looked at the April I mean the October 2023 year at the amount of the wages if it was 30
and out it was an increase for the entire year of $132,900 we are in a different fiscal year now which is an increase of 1.32% of the payroll so that is and it on the agenda
it says 25 and out but the actual discussion should be 25 an out or 30 and out or whether you're interested in doing it at all this is um brought to us again the pension board has approved it
um as a recommendation which one two and three they recommended the 25 so one is off I don't know that it's off the table but they kind of said we we'd rather have this it's kind of what happened and
y'all are sitting out there you can talk if you want to we have Representatives sitting out there um we or started talking about the overtime pay being included and they they wanted that because the the police department has that in their
185 they they do include uh their overtime hour and the uh General employee P plan does not include their over and yes it would be it would be a larger percentage of their money and a larger percentage of
ours because we we need pay the same right now they pay 5% I I think it's like 10.7 Z we were at zero because we were so well funded but now the market has
done so bad because as I said earlier they invest the funds that sit there and wait for the person to retire uh but the market has gone up and down so much and that the investment have been reported to us in some quarters we' lose money
some quarters this last quarter we've done really well but like two before that we did not yeah the last two we did really well yeah so if you look at option number one that that's going to cost the city an additional 10% above whatever whatever
overtime they're making City's got to pay 10% on that plus the employees got to 5% so everybody pays for that right extra money whether it's good or bad I don't know um either Which Way
understand this that if we were to go with option number one it's going to cost the city 10% every year on that extra overtime money that they make now how much that is I don't know I just don't
13,47 in the year 202 23 basically would cost you talking about is that projected cost both Us and Them no that's just us you tell know that's just us that's our liability that's not their liability that would be ours so the only way to
figure that out is act must have been looked at their overtime for the year for that 23 year and they're always looking a year back right so that's the number they have they look at bigger fact so they this guy what this guy's
saying is that if we would paid the overtime just the over time the city would have paid additional $230,400 318 um I have to be honest the projected liability is estimated to increase 230,000 to read
$471 it's 21,00 3 it says right here that on this basis the city's contribution is estimated to increase by $21,000 38 that was only from April to October it says for the fiscal year because we were because we were
already in April when he wrote this so the balance of the year if we started them would have been 21318 and when's the fiscal year for to do we're already in the next fiscal year so the whole now is
23074 right well that's not what it says it says the overtime pay is included in the definition of pensal pensionable earnings effective October 1st the total projected liability is estimated to increase
by 23,41 that's exactly what I said so I think my question is stepen onine they're having trouble with the online but whatever you do you could take a look at whatever our overtime rate was for that year whe it was
230,000 or 300,000 whatever it is and that would be 10% of that number I don't know what our overtime rate was this actuary is telling us that our that our our projected liability Des Mr Bloom please speak up if you have
anything to add to this conversation to un your mic um yeah this is Stephen I'd have to run some numbers I apologize I have not look at numbers the ACT do you have any idea that the total
amount of our overtime hours for the general employees probably doesn't individually I do not okay president yes ma'am I believe you have somebody that wants to speak yes
ma'am city of as well as member um when I talked to our gentleman Jeremy that helps us he told me that the 21,38 is what it would have increased if we did that or whatever our overall
total because we currently contribute $128,000 a year and we just did number one that it would increase by the $2,318 if we did just number two it would increase by the
4,6 if we did just three it would be 24644 if we did both if we did a one and two which was something that we also looked at would be 61374 not the way we need clarification but if I ask a
question we've talked about Union before meetings why does your rep I realize you have Representatives here why does not your representative come to the meeting so in situations like
this where so well and I can also I can also answer that so um Alex is more than welcome to share his Point View president um you know for me offering the 30 year out this is discussion we
had with Union is I really wasn't looking for nothing in do so um now having said that um that doesn't necessarily mean that y all have to do that you can most certainly say look we believe this is
something should be bargained and basically it should go back to the Union uh to bargain for you could extend it all out to 2026 you want we're going to have discussion about Union right after this short um so just because I say look
I'm not really concerned getting something from it because i' be honest with I was looking at number three paying add $4,644.00 in reserve or 140,000 whichever it is that we can most certainly dip into to make this payment for seven years and
the city would be in a better Financial condition now whether or not that's a smart move uh Bally or not I don't know that it is but I most certainly would think that why should City pay when the city pension has the money sitting in there that can pay this amount of money
to get their 30 years an out I was willing to take that r with now like I said having said all of that I work at discr city council y'all may direct you to go back and say look this is something most certainly needs to be
barg for over the next three years and if they want to change and I would ask that too is definitely a benefit and that's what the union does is bargain for benefits um and I believe our current attention
only allows an opening for for wages just for wages only and like we're have a further discussion with that and not cut off Miss Jones but you know I I have strong feelings about this 30 out i' be honest with you I really do I I don't
know why anybody would work for the city for 30 years and then retire at 53 or give me 30 years for you Alex 30 years to me when I started would be 51 51 so then Alex has to leave here um now
he could stay but he would have to leave here you know give up his job as the utility director and basically um you know go get another job just to have a life health insurance and so he can't even draw his pinch
sorry he can't even draw his pension until he turns 62 under the current way with r i don't know this for a fact I think the people that probably agreed to this at that time just had no bearing on them being 62 and drawing I think they all knew they would be over 62 would
need be an issue they I'm assuming there may be organizations out there that do 30 years you have to work another 10 years 62 get it but I most certainly will not I don't know be honest so that's why I was so 30
house and that's why I was so generous to you know and like I said I must certainly overstep my authority you know I more than happy to corrected and I more than happy to go back to Union and negotiate
fashion but it just didn't make any sense for me to have somebody like Jonathan be honest with you worked 53 or whatever it is and then basically 55 he's got it set around for seven years until he gets his retirement so I guess
you're so with the 30 in out or 25 in out they start receiving the pension if at that point if we change Us by ordinance which is the proper way to do it if we change it by Orin what would happened is is that
um that once they hit 30 years and retired they could immediately draw the penion very next mon right right the the city ordinance for the general employee pension fund is made up multiple
multiple bigger structure um so it's sometimes hard to read that is one of the things in there you got to be 62 to draw and so people that come here early we want to track people that here early we want them to build a career here we
want Alex one day to rise the level of right um so you know what's the motivation for him to stay in work hard if he knows hey it's 52 or 53 or 51 i' get 30 years in but I now I got to
stop get a job I'm not going to get any more money for my P I want to take words but like I said for me personally I just have a hard time that's the 30 now I have some other feelings about the
others but yeah last time it was brought up we were asked ask our members what they wasn't brought by the but it was brought to the pinion board by the employees by the employees yeah yeah not that's the only reason we
were talking about it did I cover our meeting fairly well yes having just gotten this tonight and not having a chance to look over discuss with anybody I am not at all and I can call it get clarification they
may be very right in that the 230,000 is the total liability and that our liability only 21 if that's the case it's a different story for the overtime right best for
the overtime that's right I can tell you that I personally am not in favor of 25 an out 30 an out I wouldn't consider and I'm I'm going to be fair to the employees here how this whole thing started was it's not like they were sitting around dreaming up stuff to do I
know the overtime was issu when I attended one of the meetings said look at the actuaries in your book you're already paying to have your book open so you've already paid a lot already for to be there manipulating your numbers looking at now maybe this is an
opportunity where he would be willing to do it for 231,000 and give us some estimate an ideal what those times look like so um I think it was elaborated effort effort among both um and
so I'm like you I know it's a lot lot to digest although we are more in involved in I don't know the number on one but I'll be honest with you I was just confused Miss Jones the reason why I didn't want number one is because we have to pay hard 10% of whatever their
overtime rate is and we just cost and for me for me paying um for overtime that is May sure how the overtime is is always
done whether it's not that things are happening automatically have to know work over um so for me I'm not in favor of including the 30 and I'm still I think kind of
confused um on how it work or well yeah that but also um how it how it will up
until that Mone is now no or anything is going to stop like right there so therefore they actually well if they work if they work 30 years and quit they work somewhere else you lose that benefit also
delay and and the multiplier for the 30 years and out translates 67.5% 67.5% last High the fact that we mul 2. PD little
high only so yes now they they don't have to stop working at they could do 30 years go the drop do five years a drop put in 35 years to the city basically could re
drop there's a provision drop when you say 30 and out they don't actually have no in the drop they do in the 30 were saying it it sounded as though once they their 30 they automatically that's not the case no
they can stay 30 like I did 34 years you could do you could do 40 you work all the way up to 62 whatever you have so no they don't have to leave that at the next meting meeting let me bring you what our pension is it actually will
tell you what the benefit is I mean like right now if they if they work to 62 and they're vested they we and they retire because they've been here long enough to do that we actually will pay their insurance till
they but like they're saying if they in the drop and they and they retire at 30 an out and they're 52 three years old they're not going to have any health insurance unless go outside and they don't know how hard it is to do that to
get that and how much it costs they probably do though how much it costs they're paying for family um and in the drop it it you stop putting you keep your money in your pot and I can bring you all this you keep your money in your pot for your retirement but once you
enter the drop they put all your money that you would put in yourit they put it in in Po and when you retire they as plus your PID while you're still here reti I theop
isent C so I don't get I can bring you all that and it will it will kind of explain it a little bit so you'll know what they do have um and and again the police ire are totally different if you want to know
about them that later but I'll bring you the general employees the I'll put yeah so like if if one of the employees here wanted to work 44 years and like three months they would walk out of here at that time with 100% of
their paycheck uh they would be their multiplier would reached 100% but it'll take 44 years couple months and and what we get at our meetings too it tell we actually get reports that show what every re is
receiving it actually because we approve the payout and you'll see the people who've already retired and what they're getting and you'll you'll see if you know who they are some of them you will know because they're they're recent some are a long time employ have been retired for
a long time and they still get I they get it forever um but I can bring you maybe even a page of that just to kind of give you well we can we can send you all what pension pension that was signed the
general pension which you signed I don't know what you're have it here well the best way to do it is to look in the audit oh yeah yeah in the audit there are wonderful pages that explain it all and I'll just pull those pages out okay so you can read so we're going to just
table this till the first meeting in January if if you if your December that's the big f um M blue do we need a motion table it or can we just this was just a discussion with possible action so we
bring it back all right all discussion with possible action canceling the December 17th council meeting I know in the past we've always done this we we
don't only have just this meeting so what would yall like to do got one all right first got second any discussion no that's going to happen all in favor say I
I going to ask all right J discussion with possible action American Federation of state county and Municipal Employees Council 779 AFL
cioo um allocation of wage disparity for employees covered by Union collector bargain unit City manag ter thank you for providing me the opportunity to speak here tonight on this issue so um you know when they get
um we get a request to come and speak to the um the union I call CBA Collective margain Agreement for I don't remember that Acron for the other I apologize for that but when they request a meeting we
we we we obl me with them and and basically this particular meeting which happened I believe I'm not sure October but um there were some requests for certain things to discuss you know
during this 2023 2026 approved upon by both the union and city council contract of course that contract uh States a lot of things but the one thing that it does me I like to
talk to them I have no problem with it um but the couple things that to keep in mind that um the only thing we have to meet them under based on the contract is between January and April the 1 they
need to provide me with what they want as their anticipated raises for next year and I think at any time during that based on the contract the way I read it if they have a question about wages at all I think they can make an appointment and we we'd have to meet them and have
to discuss with them those issues in a fair way and uh talk about it so there were multiple things that the union came to me that they wanted uh which I emailed y'all tonight I don't know if you read it tonight my response back there were a couple of good things that
came out of it um things that you know I think are in the budget that I'm going to do which is you know jackets for the employees so they readily identifiable a city employees a year or two ago we had somebody put on a ring camera walk to the backyard it was one of our employees
meter he was in you know started circulating around and somebody trespassing was just a bad thing you know so we're we're now have jackets ordered fitted ordered um relatively expensive 29 39 bucks a jacket couple of
20 $30 more to have wi put on the back of it um so there'll be no doubt that you know who these employes are the other thing that I agree to so long as uh I was city manager um you know unless y'all completely disagree
with me come this early U would be that we provide currently I think police offic money or nope wrong there but he's thinking about doing it now because we've talked about it we think it's a great idea um but doing
their boots is Mr Cox most of yall already know you see these guys down in ditches and stuff what it came apparent to me was during the Hurricanes you there was just wet boots hanging around everywhere and all degrees shapes some stuff just unserviceable um
so you know we're going to go with like $150 a year for employees to basically give them a c to purchase food I think a great ideal which is something that's not going to be negotiated in contract something to be completely ended uh by
the new city man manager or you tonight hey think a bad idea do it I don't think that's the case but so those are a couple things that come out of that meeting the one big thing that did come out of that meeting was a question of wages once again I think they saw my
reading of contract they want discuss wages or disparity in wages then basically we owe them a meeting disc with them and see if there something out as you know last year I kind of felt that there was a possibility that um
certain city employees that are included in the U Collective marketing agreement specifically the dispatchers at the DD and thechief and I've already spoke about them um basically you know are covered under the union they're covered under the collected bargaining agreement
and um apparently they got a 3.5% pay raate um and the other city employees got a 3% um I'm currently looking over the video we finally found it when the discussion occurs um and I know that there are several of
you um Miss Jones Martin H you know all at least said at that point on the video where I'm at that they they were okay with the police officers getting whatever they get but the civilian employees over there you know should get
the 3% but I haven't finished looking I don't know we got a couple options here um if they did we did approve them at 3.5% pay raise um they have the right to question that pay raise um there's a
couple options we can do if um if they Union consist or insist on pushing the agenda on it um the first option which you know is probably not the best option but I brought it up first is that we could you know put the uh
Communications op back down not very popular that didn't the other is you know we do find out this was agreed upon to give them the 3.5% somewhere further along than
this lengthy twoh hour budget hearing uh basically um you know we could can't be forced to do anything unless they file an unfair Labor practice which they will I'll tell you that they filed one over
our this our interpretation what the new state law said th itation interpretation what the new new law said and basically our two attorneys worked it out the agreement was that you we would pay our labor attorney they would pay their labor attorney and we would all come
back to the table and act like I don't probably so but basically in work out these problems move forward there good could have been the possibility that if we would have gone to perk which is the Public Employee
relations Mission Miss committee is it a committee yeah um you know then basically um you know there would have been a ruling and it's it's like a lawsuit it's like any other thing whatever their judges ruled
uh basically we found it fult we were found it false unless we buil it to a higher level Court um you know we would have to pay at that time if we lost off we pay our attorney and pay their attorney some of those figure
back um I remember the budget meeting and we at lce Chief was budget um raising their salary to M ISS comparable salaries an area to attract good police officers so what
you're saying is that ra officer salary communication [Music] justun offic well I know he kept them separate because one police officer communication
officer I think the issue was is that the communication officer the four that you have not your supervisor four that he has are covered under colletive bargaining agreement of the Union in which we have a contract 23
26 um which Union not the police but the regular employees yeah see I thought that they were included with the police department no they are not so the police department and the
fire department would fall under their own um unions that are specialized to their spe spe Poli did have a union they voted it out yeah they fall under their own pinion
but they don't fall under this yeah so they the police officers voted out their their Union I don't know fire department ever had it or not no no um I will tell you that both the fire department and
police department are covered under the firefighter and police officer Bill a right they really don't need that I'm sorry being so confused so to clarify the issue tonight in this that Communications officers have the same
they got they got got 3.5% yeah so the general employees that are sitting out aren't supervisors like Alex and Amos and Dallas who Dallas yeah I mean so the ones out here that're not supervision they got a 3% pay rate so there's a
disparity that was created when we did the 3.5% and when we did for the commission Communications officers but we gave them a 3% that created disparity in which the margeting unit has the right to intercede and demand that we
corrected and if we don't do that we don't correct somehow they have the right to file a complaint with per with an unfair labor and if they do that and we fight them and we
lose then basically we would have pay our attorney fee their attorney fee anything involved in the lawsuit um deposition fee I mean it could be you know easily $50,000
you're not careful um so that that's the problem the problem is that I'm still going through my due diligence to find out what y'all said I can tell you that there was one point on the board that basically y all all agree to the
communication offic receiving exactly what the other employee got however the 3% however I had to stop and come here so I know what to rest that so the way to fix that
is go back to what we so if we go back and and I I finished my review of the video um we try to figure out because there's been some conversation between BR and St correct go ahead with your part you got
it hold up so part of the conversation that um it was brought up with a myself Chief rols the mayor and city manager Bard on some questions when we were Sig the personal
action forms the PFS for the increases and there is the budget that was approved that the council approved does reflect that dispatchers are at a
three and a half% increase along with the police officers so that was something that stepen and I went back and forth with an email and that's what we interpreted and what was it free so that's where we're going back
and reviewing the videos it it could have so if if any of y'all got spare time on your hand and you're not doing nothing you you can look at the video from 79 24 um and like I said it's around
the 79 of 24 uh and around the you know 107 Mark M Jones starts talking about the 3% for all the civilian including Police
Department um 11 to 32 Mr Cox discusses it or 132 I'm sorry 130 137 somewhere around there miss hind talk about 143 dispatch 3% police
officer 3.75 um and then Martin said yes agree to that um and then that's where I had and I believe that there was maybe some confusion with who is considered the
civilians when we talked about Communications police officers Administration as far as like Arizona's position rev and the Clinton jie because you have
such a dynamic of employees of what would be covered under the union and what is not um so that was something that I that we remembered that we had the conversations about and we weed it to be we wouldn't have really
know no unless you caught it unless you caught it but I I mean I it's I don't think it's something intentional that was I there's got and again I mean we'll review the video to be able to understand a little bit better from then because obviously there's been a lot of
meetings and conversations and I did a little corre at $2 an hour weing Stephen are you still online so hang on so
go go ahead I'll let sorry we're in arguing hang on I'm sorry Stephen do you have um the numbers that we discussed earlier I mean I have you do yeah St is not there not sure you can go over we're
we're talking about if if we had to what I did had Steven Grover some numbers that basically we if we did give them 3.5 and we knew we gave him 3.5 we had to go back and make the other city employees hold it would be about n it
would be 9,144 21 that would include the portion that's in the rears of 1,524 and I'll send this to y'all we're talking an hour and yeah I believe and
then the balance would be 7,6 201844 so it's about $99,100 impact on the budget if we brought them all up to 5 5% or three and a half 3.5 I
know Jones no no man nor woman work for brother man work for deserve free well I just said 5 Cent you said we're arguing about 5 5 can be a bill that's paid so don't take granted 5
Cent 5 change another man's life or be the family I mean 5 cents I just consider us a family and we're arguing over five cents an hour I I just am really not we were a family I don't think it would have got this far because a family member a family member would
have seen the mistakes yeah so this is the first time we've heard it so I I don't know how far yeah I mean the a their defense this topic just came up in in really in November and basically you know I haven't talked to them about it because they're still trying to figure it out so
this is the first time they're hearing it uh the union brought it up when was our meeting 1125 11:25 yeah 11:25 you know so we're we're we're still processing ourselves on the administrative level what
happened and what were wrong and you read me wrong I say 5 cents is nothing give it to them that's what I'm saying I mean you're reading me totally wrong I'm sorry that you got that impression but but to me 5 cents an hour is nothing to argue about yes ma'am we hear council
members say stuff like overtime is a privilege people are coming in at 1 2:00 in the morning yeah I didn't say that I'm just saying in the heat of night it's like it's like Weir nothing you know but they're Lin out here that has just as
dangerous job as no disc your officer but just D drive this office I agree 100% and that's all I'm saying over time it's not aiv it's our duty and we we serve city of willon with honor and we
tender our dut so is not a privilege it's 5 which I do thank you mean a lot not worth arguing about what I'm trying to say and what I said when I said privilege that's also stated that
I'm not sure how overtime is being done whether they coming in for work that has to be done outside of their job so I did say that um and there when I say privileged that meaning that there are some circumstances that overtime you know may not
be you you may not um come in for overtime but you know because depending on depending on the job I guess is basically what I'm saying because you know you need some help but everybody's not going to go and help depending on
what your your job title is in the the um City you know so maybe and then maybe privilege wasn't the correct word to you but that still being said I don't believe that we
should be taking 10% on so Bas as that has a change as city workers it's our duty take pride in our duty I work in right away for over 20 years on the electric side since we electric 13
years these arguments or these discussions really went on so it's kind of weird to me on all this stuff transpiring but when I hear stuff like privilege I do I apologize I miss you know Miss on you but 5 C but these are
men lives they put right it's not a privilege your life is written it's a duty well how how you get your overtime may be different than how somebody else gets overtime so you can't say that well I I can't speak on the water crew or the crew electric side right and how we at
our time exactly so I said as a city I didn't say specific Department it's still same same thing I did not say I did not say a specific Department either okay what we'll do is we will call to order what we'll do is
um Terry's going to finish through that and then we'll do it and we'll do everything that we need to do yeah thank thank you Mr President so um so like I said there there's a couple things I still have to do you know I wanted to bring this up as soon as
possible because it is an issue brought up by the union I will say that you know and I'm GNA I'm G I'll get this part done and I'll explain to you why now it's only coming up because it's the question that I asked at the last meeting with them is you know that I I involved them budget process I wanted
them here I specifically asked them to be on the agenda that night he did talk to them Alex did speak as as the uh um Union president so U CBA and then but as
you explain to me is that it's really not a problem that they can address until it occurs and I get that I understand that now that basically if there's a grievance if we do something until that has occurred in the fully complain that's when they have the perve
you to speak up something which is exactly what they've done here so you know um they don't have to bring it up in the beginning they can let the whole thing slide and then when we do what we do they can have a meeting with us they
what you deal with and we uh finish doing the investigation and see where we're at I don't think this is going to change anything you know U put that on your list yeah it's on there yeah it is that's why I wanted to bring
it up tonight talk to youall about it and trust me we we've been looking at videos all day um you know so along with some other stuff but we're we're trying to get there we'll come back just keeping in mind it's there um there is a
budget impact still out de I don't think we're doing it something so yeah I think it's going to be January the 1 you're going anywhere in January no and I think and I don't want to speak for the union but I think that they understand that we are working
on it we're trying to do something you know that there's no unfair Labor practice I mean it's just that look this has been brought up it's an issue we're talking about it we're doing stuff uh basically um you know as long as we're continuing to move forward to
solving problem do we stop continuing to move forward to solve the problem and then once that occur their only option is to go to per that's and F L all right all right
so put this bed till next one yeah all right item nine public participation this is your second opportunity to address the council at this time anyone in the audience can come to the podium speak for five minutes on any topic
other than what was on the agenda the takers December night we're we're not into public thank you that was good though okay item 10 announcements
staff now it's your turn December 19 team Santa Claus is Coming to Town the fire department is hauling him around town the police department is escorting us that a
Saturday THS it's a Thursday okay thank all right uh council president HR director has no dark I think that we said like 5 5:30
soon as Santa gets here okay 5 5:30 yes ma'am um also the 23rd which is a Monday December of December we will be having our city of
Willison Christmas luncheon that you all are invited to thank you you're welcome the 23rd the Monday at noon here at oh you can come
too it's here City 12:00 yes ma'am Mr President I have several announcements yes ma'am the first one in everybody's bag that I had on the DI there is a final budget in there you need to replace
that we'll put it in your book Total replace yes total replacement this is the final approved budget also you have a card from all of the staff here wishing everybody a happy
holidays Merry [Music] Christmas third thing if council member Ryo and Martin on the first meeting in January could wear their blue long sleeve shirts so we can get a picture so everybody be in
uniform that way I can post new pictures I'm getting there um the four thing qualifying qualifying starts January the 20th at noon
through January 24th at noon January 20th yes even though that is a holiday I would be here to take applications if needed till the 24th yes
yes that's MLK day uh the counselors that are up for reelection this council president cooch vice president Hines and council member no who took over
Jerry's you took over Jerry I thought I'm sorry I thought but only for a year yes okay I do apologize okay so that's council member Martin and again as Terry said number five
there are two great chairs up here at the DI before you leave could you please sit in both of the chair and let me know which one you would prefer for me to purchase since the cheers that we have like to
sink to the floor so everybody can be comfortable and have a decent chair sit in yeah rotate them out so you see everybody sitting on the floor back there so we'll take these shairs move them all back there and then basically put the new
chairs up here um I Pur my little two sets I would like all them to be the same um this chair Nott it is the seventh and that's all I have ma'am do you have some I do I have
a couple announcements um the first one is I have openings on all of the boards that I'm running right now the uh community redevelopment agency the code enforcement board and planning and zoning I do have applications I'm
putting them into a full so you guys can choose who you think would be the best to appoint but I'm closing those applications December 15th so I have time to get it on to the January 7th agenda I also have December 21st at
Green Gates in Okala they're having a holiday party and they invited us to come with some of our dogs and cats so please join us there's no obligation but it'll be a lot of fun that'll be from 5:00 to 9:30 January 21st we're going to have a
ribbon cutting at 4:00 for the parking lot at block 12 which is across the street that'll be in Fireman's Park it'll be catered that's a council meeting what date again I'm sorry that's January 21st at 4 pm so it'll be before council meeting so
you can come and have some snacks before you have to have another meeting in January over there and is ribbon cutting for the parking lot okay yay so it would be nice if we could get as many of the council there that would be perfect that's why we had it on a Tuesday so
that we knew that everybody would be in counc the council December 18 the long awaited ethics training if you have not already RSVP technically the deadline has passed but I know people I can pull some
strings for you so if you have not RSP please do so um it'll be a lot of fun food drinks so it is from 4: to 8:00 p.m. it satisfies your four hours ethics training free food and you have the Willis room all
labeled for us yes I'll make sure that I have you all's names on a list we'll have a bouncer at the door to only allow you in yep okay anybody else any announc all right well item 11
adjournment can I get a motion to adjourn right we got a got first got a second all right those in favor say I I I those opposed time is now 8:24 p.m.
want