All right, let's roll the meeting. Roll call. Mayor Reese here. Council member Os here. Nelson here. Gilbertson here. Gardner here. Baggerly here. Davis here. Butterfield here. A
present stand of the United States of America and to the repisible with liberty and justice for all. and you start to read the opening of the indigenous
people. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I can read it. Mr. Mayor and members of the council tonight as we remember that it is indigenous day. We acknowledge that the land on which we gather is a traditional and ancestral
territory of the Dakota and Ojipo people. We recognize the historical and cultural significance of this land and honor the indigenous communities who have lived, worked, and thrived here for generations.
Now is the time for each one of us to stand as allies for the human rights of every person. Supporting indigenous people's day is one of the way to do that. So today, October 13, 2025, we celebrate the resilience,
diversity, and contributions of our neighbors who belong to the Native American community. Let's recommmit to respecting tribal sovereignity, self-determination, and the rich heritage of indigenous
people who we call our neighbors as well. May we work together towards a bright future, one that values and honors the human rights of every person. Thank you. We're here for the budget 2026 budget
review. Who am I following up? Leslie, we're going to start with Tom. Okay. So that he can review where we were at and a couple scenarios that we come up with. Would you want me to stand up front or sit back here? I guess what works best
for you? Okay. So before you tonight and close in your packet, there are five pages. Uh the first being the cover sheet. So the first I'd like to draw your attention to is the 2026 preliminary budget. The first page table on it. And just to
remind you, this is this is just the same as that passed at the September meeting of the preliminary budget. uh the operating and the the biggest difference here is that the CIP transfer over 2025 adopted
budget. Um I guess I want to maybe step back one step here tonight. I guess there are three main objectives and and I understand it's a work session and I want to respect that. I do not want to call for action, but I would like a a good conversation and a consensus so
staff knows a little bit more clear direction as to what to bring forward the final budget presentation in December and the truth and taxation meeting. So the operating bud budget and the levy for 2026 kind of paired with that would be the
capital improvement plan for 2026. And then the third item being the library roof the the topic that we have spoken about for next the replacement schedule for next year. Um so back to the the first table there is the 15.02%
levy increase over 2025 that was adopted. Once again primarily the capital the plan is a significant increase from $485,416 to $1.1 million. the levy increase of just over $1.671
million um or a tax rate of about 3.6% over 2025 adopted. So since then we have met with council on um or had conversations among staff,
excuse me, and we have come up with some slight changes in a couple different levy scenarios uh which would be on the next page. levy scenario number one. The there is a little bit of increased revenue that we added in there uh from
the planning development department that is primarily the admin services that they they work for atwater new London and the city of Candy Ohio for services through their department for building building official work. There are also
decreased expenses of $178,000 amongst various departments. This does remain the $1.1 million CIP dollar levy amount in there. So that would go down to 12.96%
or 1.443 million increase. The tax rate would be about 2.5% increase. The levy scenario two, which would be the next sheets in your packet tonight,
would include those same changes as scenario number one, but then also decreasing the capital improvement plan from $1.1 million down to $690,000. And that would be a $1.03 million
increase or about a 9.28% levy increase. But the tax rate itself would be just over.5%. Uh, one thing I do want to draw out on that, the 690 is a a significant decrease. Um, but there are also other proposed capital improvement plan
u items such as the city hall be $185,000 in city hall capital improvement program upgrades for the elevator and some fire panels. So the we're just under a million dollars total CIP.
So we're still getting some positive work done even with the 690. And then on the bottom of all the sheets is the tax impact um what it would look like. The very back page would be the capital improvement program
staff has identified um projects that they would like to see done. We also did go over this with the mayor prior to the preliminary budget. The the projects are highlighted there and then there's two columns on the right hand side. The $1.1
million column then the $690,000 column. You'll see that a couple of them have been decreased in funding and a couple of them have been removed. There are some dollars sitting in a capital improvement fund that the that
were allocated in 2025 such as the public works reserve line of $137,000. We allocated that to go towards a future plow truck and we're proposing to use that. And we also have the blue line reserve which was a project from 2022
where that project was reallocated at the the blue line or civic center arena for a a roofing project and we're also proposing to use that money as well. So, I uh I would open up for any comments or
questions, but I I do want to um uh there are three main objectives staff would like tonight is the um direction on the operating budget levy, the capital improvement program, and then also the library roof, which we would propose to reallocate money in our
capital improvement program to pay uh our portion of the library replacement. Tom, did I miss it or did you mention the snow go? The snow go. Yes, Mr. Mayor. That's a good question. That is on the on both of
the capital improvement program lists. If if we went with the $1.1 million, it would be fully funded. If we went with a $690,000 program, it would be roughly half funded for a future purchase.
But we've got 245 on the proposed capital improvement program. Yeah. At the 1.1 million funding, if we only fund the 690,000, then it would be done. It would go out to 120,000 to be funded the
balance in 2027. Yum. If we use the 137 from public works reserve that's coming out of the well Trump no where is that coming from?
So the 2025 capital improvement program uh there is $485,000 that was allocated and $137,000 was set aside for public works to go towards a future truck. And this this would be using those funds towards
that truck listed on line or 135. That's what I Yeah. So, we're using it. There'd be a total of 900 people. Another question. Did we um talk about only doing two police cars? I see
there's three still squad number 20 anyways. There was conversation about only two. Yes, but at 690 we could fund three. I do believe she is getting hotspot. Well, he'll be back. Quad 28 is a 2018.
the other three 10 18 and 20. If we only funded two though, couldn't we use some of that money for 17s or 18s? I thought the discussion had been that we could get by with two.
That's what we did last year. We dropped them down. Last year we went from what three or four to two kind of prolong right I'm just wondering if there's other items maybe we can wait for to get back yeah that's fine
what about the trafficics thing it's mean that's Yes, it is something we need to have done. So, we know we have we have not been doing the upgrades since the
mechanical systems and the computer systems within the lights that this would cover and I don't think we funded any of them yet. And we have don't have my book in front of me. I do
you know how many we have? about one a year for the next 15 years. Yes. Because my concern is every time we don't fund something, then we have next year to talk about funded or not. You know, just keep pushing things down the
road. Things aren't getting better. If we don't do it, I'm speak. If we don't do it, are they repairable? Or didn't we have a situation where we had one that went down that wasn't repairable? It took time to get the replacement parts. Yeah.
But they you can still get parts for them. Yeah. Time though. But at some point in time, yes, we're going to have to upgrade them systems themselves. So that would be this process.
And as so over the last three years, we started at a CIP of zero because before that council was using resilience to fund the CIP, but we have steadily each year
increased our CIP. So next year there would be an increase from 485,000 to 690,000. 2027, we would expect that that would then be over 700 and some thousand in 2027
to, you know, maybe close to 800,000 depending on your growth. So, but every year we're we're trying to build that CIP back into the budget that wasn't being funded before. So, and we wanted to keep that tax rate
where it is in scenario two risk over half a% increase the tax rate. We wanted to bring traffic sign back and CIP. We could find 110,000 from the general fund budget
and that would pull it out. We cut 110,000 from the general fund. There's figures on there right now of salary and benefits going down 178,000. Yes. So that's already built into the scenario
one and two. One and two. Yes. So if we were to do what Justin was talking about, we would need how much more to come out of the budget for salary and benefit $105%.
Can you now can you tell us how how you cut 178k? Sure. So uh two of the there are two positions where we had staff turnover. the the new hire was hired at a
farther back on the scale. Um so that includes the salary range benefits to go along with it. And then this also does include um not funding one position is on field what's position in in the police
department. Okay, that's what we had talked about though that it still gave them room that if they can get the hires done this year, chances are they can't get to that number taking one away, right? Of the four. Yes.
Down to four. Okay. But have it like in the past I feel like the answer to this has been that you can cut those numbers back. They won't be able to hire it anyway. That means that existing officers are going to be working
overtime to fill that gap and overtime pay is the equivalent of that that board salary. Well, we answer that. We have had these positions open for a long time, several years,
and the experience is that we've been able to hire two about two a year. And right now we do not have any officers in the pipeline to even hire. So we as far as January 1, probably not.
And probably not until May. So you really almost have a half year or two that you would not even have at led in May. So then they would start till June. So, but if we do, we do have in
the budget right now three, right? But my we have four actually. I get all of that, but my understanding is because we're not going to be able to hire any new officers for six months in theory, just following the conversation. Y that means we're going to have to pay
overtime to the current officers to to make sure that we can cover and we'd be paying overtime for the officers to cover because even though we get them hired, it takes months for training. So they can't even be out on their own yet for another
three months, three or four months before they're fully trained. So for instance, where are we year to date then on that on that budget line for the police department? because we're running four behind, right?
Yeah. If we're budgeted for poor people, we don't have we should be way ahead. Well, also we don't budget for retirees or for people leaving. And so when we have to pay them out their vacation and
um that that's not a part of the budget. It's crude. That's not part of the expense side. It's in the butt, right? Okay. If somebody retires though, when they retire in May, I mean months worth
of are we paying out budgeting for the whole year seven months of salary when they retire. It's a maximum of $400. That's three months. just over three months. So that's just their vacation time and
their sick time. Well, then their sick time is way we should be way ahead of the budget. Are we? We're at 70% year to date right now on just salary alone. Pretty much on track.
No problem. We budget for people we don't have and we're right at budget and we had how many people leave it paid out? Yeah, they have spent over time.
Well, I just seen another report on Minneapolis with their police department. One person's $500,000 this year salary through the overtime. So, I don't know. we cut position where we would be in a situation where we don't
have funds. So if they were successful in hiring three people which is what we have in the budget right now, right? We actually have all four in the budget right now. We had the 15.2 we had all four in the budget.
No. Well, we're what? Yes, we have three in the budget. That's where I was going. So if it gets to May and there's they have hired three and they have the opportunity to hire four,
could we not come back and look at what can we do within our budget? You know, if other people leave, I mean, other people leave, yes, you can hire someone. We'll find the money. Go ahead. if if
they're going to hire someone in May, it might be October or November before they actually get which we would only have to worry about the rest of the week, right? So we can take that chance that if we're lucky enough we
could then go back and just saying that based on my understanding previously budget scenario over time aspect like I think if you're going to you want to save money
with you know with personnel at the PE you have to removing an officer from the budget that we didn't have to you know reduce the amount of officers that street otherwise that overtime is going to come in and it's going to drive up the
personal how much over time do we have just for doing other community kinds of activities when we have events and those types of things I don't have you consider We look at
that just for over time on events. Well, not just rock and robins, but there's something like there there it seems like there's something on a regular basis which is good for the community. And I'm just curious with how
much of how much staff time because we end up same thing with public works having to do you know Saturdays and Sundays and you know setting up and taking down. So any of the events like if we do things for school that's built
over time. If we do any of our TZD stuff that's all built over time through the state reimbured. Um but we don't we don't collect anything from the school or we don't we collect from the school. Yeah. And it comes back into the general.
Do we collect enough to consider it to pay over time? Yeah, it's it's $70. Okay. For all the overtime to cover the pension and benefits.
No. Can we can we go higher with it bill for the pension and benefits? Yeah, I mean that's a set a set number that the council came up with on the resilient part is my understanding about
70. So at some here it needs to go higher. When was the last time you said when when did we do that? That's part of the fee schedule. So that's reviewed annually. So the first meeting of the year for that review
was changed though. Well, I get that change. Not sure when that when that specific angle was lasting. So everything that's in the salary and benefit deduction is lease. There's nothing else
in place. Right. Well, there other two departments that were affected in that 78,000 by attrition from new hires at a lower salary rate. So, we we're we're still hiring. We're not not hiring. Correct. It's just that they've been
hired at a lower rate than the person left way doing anything hard. We're just saying, "Okay, if they leave, we won't go back lower employee and we're not invasive or we might just not fill a position
that seems super passive instead of saying, you know, we don't think you could do this. Here's where we could potentially cut something. Right now, we haven't cut anything zippo." I feel like that's where the change has
to come. Like I agree with what Vicki said earlier about like when we're coming from CIP, we're just pushing it to next year and we're not making cuts. We're just kicking the can out there. Here's something. How many snow balls do we have? How many snow balls do we have? It's 11.
How many do we need? 11. Why? 135 miles. That's a nice number, but it means nothing. Well, how fast do you want the city opened? Well, that's my question. Does it need to be
open in four hours? Do the main routes need to be open in a half hour? Do is it going to be open in 4 hours and 20 minutes? If we went from 11 to 10, what's the impact of that? Those are the questions we should be asking. Would
anybody in the city know with us if we went from 10 11 snow plows to 10? Just reduces your overtime for snow events for lunch. If we did emergency ban on parking on the streets, could
they get it easier than having to come back two or three times? Well, we do do that downtown, but don't do it. We don't do that on other streets where communities do that. We take it a step further and say we have 11 snowplow
drivers. What if we only had 10? Right? that flows down through insurance, benefit, retirement, everything. Trying to figure out a way to cut money out of the budget to save the people on the property tax. Those are the questions you guys should
be asking instead of just saying we'll just hire a less expensive employee. But we don't know that those questions haven't been asked. They didn't present anything like that. on the track. I hear you there. We don't know. They haven't gone through that analysis. Have
you answer that? We have because I guess we know that right now we're opening the streets when we need to. Our guys are No, we're open when we want to.
No, we open them. We try to minimize overtime. Our staff will come in at midnight if needed. Not saying, but do we need to open in 4 hours or do we want to open open them up in four hours? Well, I think the school would like us
to have them open in 4 hours. What do we got? 135 miles. 135 miles. That's 11 over 11 miles per snow. What do we do? We get bus routes from the bus
department so we know exactly which roads need to be done. The buses you don't pick up kids on every route. It's like a three block radius where Well, there's a there's a technique to blowing snow. So when you have a route, you don't take any left hand turns. You take all right
hand turns. There's a technique and then they start at certain points so that they all know which way everybody is going because you follow to the right, you don't follow it to the left. And then with the culdeacs, it takes more time. I live on
it because it takes my driveway seven foot long every single time they call my So on the other side of the 135, of course, when you take a easy math, that's 13.5
miles. If you go to Yeah. And depending on the snow. Yeah. Takes less more time. We have an airport to open up. We have to get that open up. Parking
lots are not done. Any of what you're saying at all. The question is I guess if we were to go to 10 plows, how badly would the city feel the effects of
the negative that had well that's what I think he's asking. Yeah. And it depends on the year, right? I Well, right. But in in any given snow event, are 10 plows going to take an hour
longer to clear the roads? Is it opposed to 11 or two hours long? I don't I don't know what the answer is. Just ask a question. It's $290,000 line item. That's more
than what the whole proposal was. That's the official way to get your oxygen. What effect would that have on board? Right. Yeah. So according to AI because it's smarter
than I do much room if if it takes four hours which I'm not sure where that number came from and said that's a legit number that's okay that's just we just told you four hours
it would take 4 hours and 24 minutes with 10 PS if 11 ps can do 135 miles in 4 hours 10 ps can do 135 miles in 4 hours. That's that's assuming that the routes all
sure because taking one plow away would definitely affect the roads and if a file breaks down right now piece of equipment you have to maintain. Well because the cost of file is $290,000 way
more than that. That's probably just the truck. Yes. Right. That's chass. So, we can So, if we're going to do that, then we can get the area we can get. We're just not going to plow until the rest of this I guess you would
I don't think you would want to pick that internationally public works. My point is that so people go to work and they go downtown and the streets aren't clear and so you have you have more issues there or maybe you should do more
work I think there's a balance a balance okay or let's let's not do the north side and let's just do the south side because there's more people who move around there than the north side first. Well, you see that's but that's the
point. Everybody's I'm not I'm being sarcastic here. 24 minutes. That's you guys your own examples. That's one example that I thought of that like it's more than it's double
$170,000 that I'm all in favor of. But then one more snow on question that what is the age of snow plow that they because I don't have my front
how long how long have we put off that snow plow three typically they're on a 10 year rotation but we have extended those the last couple of years they historically they always try to replace two a
years ago the questions. Yeah, I mean there's a lot more that goes into Yeah, there's a lot more that will go into it other than just snow plows because we've got raiders, we've got loaders, we I mean there we that's the vehicles that we use to move snow out of downtown, out of the city streets
to dump sites. Um so it's more than just snow plow routes. Uh that is a factor. Yes, but it's just longer time to remove snow from those key areas as well. We have less equipment. It'll take us a little longer to get things done.
So, do we trade the snow plow in or do we sell a smaller city or what do we do with the old um we sold the last one? I can find out. And to dig deeper, question would be,
how much does it cost each person for that one truck in the city? How much would our taxes go up to keep? Do you know what I'm saying? One truck like is it $3 for each person? Because then it's probably worth it. Is it 20?
$2,000 1% increase, right? So, how much is that? $3 a month. $3 a year. So I paid $3 a year and a half. Well, I mean 28 minutes for having
and it's just not Yeah, as Kyle said, it's just not a truck that is used for snow plowing. A truck is used all year long. It's for pre-cutting. It's a dump box. Yeah. probably argue we should get rid of our tree burdens at the start of that
argument. What I think I appreciate about Steve's question is we're in this cycle where we're we're trying to push off those one-time purchases. We're pushing them back year after year after year. This is year two or three for this. We, you know, we've talked about squad cars
already, too. And I think the real problem is in the reoccurring expenses. So either we we cut something that we're current we got to cut something that we're currently doing. Well, either we accept that we have to maintain and fund all of this stuff and just say well sit here we're going to
chip away at the edges and we're going to accept a 15% increase in the levy before we figure out a way to reduce it. And if we the way to reduce it is you have to make decisions or we're just going to say well I guess
we can't and move on then let's go home which is why I think I I feel like looking at the the general fund too is necessary for this like I'm probably more interested in looking at that than nickel and diamond things in the CIP that we're just going to be facing up in
the next year. Well, what's the biggest cost of one of these breaks down the transmission, the engine, the hydraulic system? You know, the boxes are going to last a lot longer. The steel's a lot better
than they used to be. They don't rust out as much. So, what's our biggest cost? We just be better off uh looking at me pleasing for transmission engine with the truck. So if it did go out so that
the shell will flip the vehicle, we need to look at what are their recoccurring expenses when it comes to maintenance on those specific vehicles. Probably every department that has a vehicle, they probably update their list on what we're
doing. So we know exactly, okay, here it is. Here's best case scenario. There's worst case scenario. There's maintenance as you know but we can maintain it for another three years before we have totally replace
it should be in your packet under the public department they have so describe the shape is of this park that they want to replace. The ones that would be this year. Yes.
Should be pictures of the truck. I believe in the condition real quick. the um overtime jumping back to the overtime discussion is I'm guessing it's police that uh
was it 820 820 yes so we hired another person for the field or just somebody guess there's there's two questions there right there's there's somebody
who's extra that would just fill that role. And then do we need more officers on the ground? I guess during the day or during the evenings that's where the that's the call would be more on the patrol end right now for patrol officers. So
if we had a patrol officer that would reduce this $225,000 it can help. Yes. It's it's like getting a lot of times you schedule people because of training mandated training you know where they have to go do this and required and you
end up falling when you're on your minimums that's where the over time somebody's missing you over time for most of the overtimes it's less than $10,000 which it be hard to hire a full-time person to cover $10,000 of
overtime but for $225,000 I mean you can you can hire two people to fill those roles maybe. I don't know what guys are being paid at these states, but uh that seems to me that if we hired an additional person to fill that role
in the long run, we'll save dollars. It might not be this year because we have to pair people up, but it could begin to be a fix. And it can also it's still like um the large cases can play a role too. You know because if we have homicide and
there's 300 hours without activity and it's going it doesn't matter you know once that clock starts you're trying to get it going. So some of that's can be very hard to prevent because it's a time trying to stay on a case.
So it can it can help on the patrol part, but it's not necessarily for surely you know if we had two bad incidents happen that can be the ideal one is if something happens gets wrapped up in a relatively short time somebody's
arrested that saves a lot of lot of manh hours and that work can't be pushed upon somebody else in the department or shared it depends on this fresh portion of you know, if it's a, you know, like you say, if it's a homicide, if it's, you know, the patrol
part is still, I mean, everybody gets old, you know, like right now night, the the day crew is still working and the night crew is on because of whole bunch of search warrants going on right now. So, it's just hard when it all goes down. There's two or three of them happening at the same time
and power parts. So chief the proposal regarding mediation staff to reduce hiring those fuller officers that are currently under
is removing one salary from the budget. Is that realistic for what we can expect in real life or is it going to be because again mine you was explaining this but my understanding from that prior is that that basically if you
don't have that fourth officer here you're in person working the overtime to cover is going to eat up that same amount basically in in salary and so it's kind of a wash for the budget. Yeah. I mean ideally is more feet on the
street is can alleviate some of that is what it comes down to and like I say sometimes it's people have to go to training you know where you don't have the choice and that leaves this day you know you're you're at our minimum part you try to go but it's 24 hours a day
seven days a week so it's a hard hard window telling everything so we cut you back to three officers or we had an officer out of your budget How's that impact? I think we'll still be maintaining you know I mean our ideal would be we don't
know where the school and stuff is going to be. So it's hopefully that a change come in the future. Um you know they would be offset the school resource officers. Yeah. I was under the impression that the school had indicated
for this year. What's that? for this year. I was under the impression that they had told the department no for the perceived global future. That's the closed door of that portion. So I want to go back to the scenario one
and we live with a 2 and 12% tax change. Keep our cip at where it is. We're still reducing the police department benefits,
but we're not making I mean we we harve this key bus with what we're trying to committed to trying to do that we're going to have to do this every year. I'm just curious if we can
that would be a 12.9% right and to do to say we want 10 what would we have to reduce to say 10
pull that up for you multiples That's back to scenario two. That's Yeah. 775 and CIP 775. Yeah. That's no more additional
general function. We have no updates on benefit costs. No, we're still we're still health insurance as far as negotiations with Alex negotiations are not being set until
November because of business managers time. Are we going to point 88 for paid family medical or we going to have to go with something? No. to be pass.
Yes, we are passing half of that on the goal. Well, that's the goal. Negotiations. I'd like you not to talk about negotiations though. So, Council Member Nelson, here's kind of what that scenario looks like at just
over 10 10.04%. with this $775,000 CIP line item that still doesn't get us more than scenario two $85,000.
What? It's another $85,000. But then if we only did two police cars, we'd be closer to being able to do all the others. Waiting for I got a question. 101 801 5280 insurance. I think it's insurance deductible 180.
Is one of these a typo? the 9100 budget for this year or the 100,000 budget app for the next year. Yeah. So that was a good question. That was uh the end of the year last year. Insurance came in higher than anticipated. So that line item was used
to supplement employees health insurance. So the $100,000 was in there preliminary last year. that was moved across other departments back to the $100,000
insurance deductible. Our our deductible is $200,000 per incident. Aggregate, excuse me, health insurance. The insurance rates came back um last a year ago
higher than anticipated. So that was a well and we were in the process of negotiating the base pay scale so that we could get all of our unions on a base pay scale that the council had wanted to do over the years. And so this was the
the carrot basically to get them on the base pay scale. So, we offered $1,000 for family and $500 for single insurance to get on the face scales. Before that, every union had a different scale. And
so, it was really all over the board. And so, even before I started, this council had tried to get on a base pay. We were able to get that work done and pass that a pay scale that
the council eventually passed it through the unions. The only union we don't have on it is the public works. So that we'll be working on this year. A one time thing or is that it was a one time thing. It ends at the end of this year and so their rate of
insurance will go back to their contract. We contribute to family insurance. Yes. Would you like to just contribute? you know, some some only contribute to single and then
it's kind of across the board, but I see a different plan seems for the individual spouse and family typically, right? Yeah. We don't have a plus one in the peeps health insurance. They don't offer plus one.
It's individual healthare. Correct. Correct. You can have exclus our current not under our current contract with me. Aren't we looking at that? Well, we can't change the PEEP contract.
That's the contract we're under right now. Can we get out of that next year? Well, that's what we're working on because their health insurance rate went over 20%. So, that's what we're looking at right now. But I subsidize a spouse, you're subsidizing other employee
employers, right? We pay for a spouse's health insurance if they're giving it to their own employer. Subsidizing that employer if they are working. Yes. I suppose you could say that. I can't answer that because some of our employees may be married and maybe their
spouse is carrying the insurance and they're only in single claim. Yeah, we should other employers could subsidize. So each year there is money that's left
over in CIP from two or three years ago. Okay. And um I know there was a way where it was just sneaking back into the budget kind of thing. Um, do we know what we have left over
that we haven't spent in for the is it three years that we hold it? Yes. Do we know what that figure is? Yes. Yes. Is that something that instead of putting that into the general budget
should be used for new CIP versus subsidizing our budget? That's the conversation that we're we would be having with the auditorium and the library rope to use the auditorium funding for the library ro.
No, I'm not talking about Well, that that's that's the fund was designated for the auditorium. I'm talking about money that was in CIP. We put 200,000 and we only spent 150 and there's 50,000 left over. We hold that for three years. That's
what I'm talking about. Not money that's been designated for something specific. Isn't all the money that goes into CIP designated for something specific? Yes, it is. Yeah. Yes. But we we actually voted to hold
that money for the live and and if we don't use it in a certain time, then it's always just added to the bottom line as part of the operations, right? I'm not sure what you're saying up here. We've had two $300,000
that have been used to balance the budget. That was money that was set aside for CIP three four years ago. Set aside in the CIP set aside specific. Yes, it was. But it was set aside for CIP. And maybe so an item instead of
costing 200,000 only cost 150,000. So the money was dedicated to that makes sense to me. Why don't we use that 50,000 to do new CIP versus putting a cushion on our operating cost? So the third question is what happens to
the money when we spend less than our budgeted amount? Does it stay in the CIP fund or does it get rolled back into the general fund? It's currently what you're asking. Yeah, that's basically it. What is it? It's in the CIP fund still. How much is there that is unallocated
essentially right now? It would be the the blue line arena the installation that's the part of the back page of CIP $156,000 is we're scheduling to because it's now unrestricted unallocated because of the
year it was 2022 we're proposing to use that for a 2026 CFP project to use that money in a And we talk about that sometimes where like something will cost 150,000 and
only have 145,000 but that department still had money left over from something else they did. So they subsidized that to do that. So outside of outside of the the blue line arena, the old insulation for
the current roof and insulation project, we're supposeding to use those leftover dollars, per se. I see. And then there's really not much left. Um the other the other the larger ticket item that is old or un or allocated was the auditorium dollars that for the
potential library rebroken project. Otherwise, it's pretty much still under the the is it the charter allocates it for three years. It allocates it for three years and then after that three years after it was allocated, it can become
unrestricted or unallocated and and then council can do reallocate it somewhere else or it it has not in the last two years gone back to the general fund to subsidize the So, we're going to get 1.4 in improvements. I have to
correct this. Yeah. So that would be like on a grand total line would be the total number of amount of projects but then the net would be the actual dollars allocated from the Y sorry. Yes.
Good question. it be fair for us to go through CIP items figure out around like just a consensus of where we're at as a council where we know
CIP and then we come back and talk about budget what we're tax rate trying to like I feel like want to figure out if there's appetite for cutting That's what I'm trying to figure out because I feel like staff wants us to
get give them a little bit more direction about where we're where we're okay with all of this. So that's a good conversation that I'm trying to look this up. So should we also be looking at what the original CIP was when we were not happy
with how much is there and we said let's do a million more before we start cutting from what we have here to look at what the other needs are going to be next year that we're not. See I thought you wanted to add to the
million one. No, you're just thinking about like there's there's a lot more in addition to the one. I agree with you. The the balance for 26 CIP if you go to
your books there and the CIP it starts at 3.7 was it? Yep. Already cut. So this is where I just feel. So this this where the cuts come from.
What's left would you mean? Yeah. You know I guess maybe the questions really come down to are we interested in uh you know Steve's original question about the the snow. Are they interested in going down in and having staff work on what it looks like
to go down to 10 snow plows? Think it would be interesting for Chief Home to tell us how he feels about two, three or four new squad cars that is that the only questions that we're really talking about at this point or are there other items? Uh,
it's not a lot, but it adds up to 480,000 is subscriptions and memberships. Um, when was the last time ghosts were audited and looked at? I go through and I make sure that I'm not personally subscribing to things I don't use or
need or things like that. And so I guess uh there's I don't know 20ome different line items here just in each category. There's probably 20 sub line items within there as well. But I think you guys did look at that and part of a lot
of that is our new computer system, our new software. I mean, we had that conversation one one other time. And we cut our off
because there are some modules that we have not that we are not going to implement. So we have cut that back. So good. And then the lead of cities is in that. The National League of Cities is in that. Those are largest ones. The Coalition of Greater Minnesota City
memberships are in there. Um our memberships for GFOA, which is like $50. Memberships for MCMA is $50. Um
yes. And it all comes down to it. Do you want to keep all of your employees or drop a subscription is how I asked that question. Some of the subscriptions are also printing on the education organizations too. So all my building inspectors you have to pay fee.
Yeah. Yes. Some of it's under subscription, some of it under licenses for specific IT stuff for say like Windows, Microsoft 365 is maybe under the license line, but some of them live under Yeah. Just kind of
depends on what product it is. We have a lawyer full time on staff $460,000 for questionable cut that by not having the lawyer at council meetings.
The cost to review can't fill it up but lawyer reviews our agenda every time. That can be anywhere from $900. You pay the $900. Then they come out
$200 $300. Yes. It's a little Yeah. Well, but you want to correct me if I'm wrong. Can they see everything that we share on
Zoom at the county building? I believe so. Yes, it's just difficult step from because it's not ours. We I'm sorry. We've had a lot of complicated things and every time we don't have Nut, we usually get ourselves
in some sort of trouble. I think they Yes. Yep. Yes. And we have budget now like when our attorney works on a project or our
attorney works on some specific thing. So that's being divided out now versus being accounted for with the count just the city. Yes. There was just one line item. Yeah, ACUS
now divided up between departments. So the Anderson firm, what do they get per is 15 acre? Y checked with the county to see if they would take it over.
Um, we did put out an RFP last fall, last winter, um, for prosecution services and this was the only response that we received. Sometimes you got to go and ask her personally because they were going to do it one year.
Okay. $75. So, you mean county attorneys? Yeah. Yeah. When does our cont contracts end? A three-year contract. So
2027 chief, how do you feel about spot card? Currently there we're set aside money to four. We got a proposal to look at three. There's been some talk about two. Yeah, I mean we can there's a little wiggle room there. We're trying to get
the most life out of everything and we're just cycling out a bunch of them now. Um, and it been we've had a real slow time getting some of the new stuff out. So, that's been our one big hang up and now it's finally coming back in picture where we're getting like the two
that we got this year. We just got one the first one now that's ready to be used and the second one's still getting outfitted. So, it's really has been slow on that process. And I think if we had the CFP, we could look at
for the for the police department when we say squad cars or like the bus thing where we showed you how that's, you know, 199,000 miles on it. It's it's kind of at the end of its line. If we had that CIP, it might give us a chance where there's actually money to maybe even go out and
look at finding something used for way lesser money that would buy us 15 20 years. That way if we have that money to go on the beat rather than we don't we don't need a new one that's to put 10,000 miles on in five years or maybe
even less than that. All of your cars used every day. Not all of them. Um, there's some that are can tend to be broke down. I mean, there's a lot of times if you go by the city garage, you're going to see two or
three of them there. Sure. Um, we're having different issues with, you know, some some we had a new car that was a 2021, then they they get it in for a warranty recall and they won't give it back to you because they can't get the part, so you're out of the car for four months, which is just bizarre.
Um, so we've had issues on that. Um, and we have, like I said, we just, you know, very frugal on trying to get the miles. And we just put the first one, um, 2018 Colorado's on the Minnesota
Minstate bid is what it's called. So, we have that listed right now. That closes tomorrow on the first one. So, it's going to be rather than we're not getting a whole bunch of cars for wise, this will be a different way for us to move them. So, we'll see how that goes.
That's when the county is using the same system and they've had good luck rather than wait for 15 20 cars and try to do an auction. And I think that's kind of a losing deal with portion of it where this will have a much, you know, smaller thing. But the one we're selling, you
know, works good if you drive slow, just don't accelerate hard because it pops into neutral and city garage is very sick of that car or that truck. You guys need to drive fast. For somebody who likes to drive slow,
you know, how many cars do we have left versus the um that we're going to How many do we have total? I'm just curious how many cars SUV SUVs. We've only got a couple cars. you know,
one of we have one Impala left that's a 2010 that has like 70 75 80,000 on it and then we have a we have a couple of our vehicles are forfeiture one so our other car is a Camry which we use for training and different things and that's getting the
miles wrapped up on it so car-wise and then we bought two Dodge Chargers so that was the last I mean they just got moving so I think they they don't have that many miles on Um, miles is one thing. Ours is another.
Right. And and we just had the one that we're getting rid of that's on the auction right now. We took the one of the K9 cars because it's a CSOS who lost a vehicle out of the deal. So, we took one of our K9 cars that has high, you know, not necessarily higher miles, 110
or 12, but it's got a lot of hours on it because the K9 cars never shut off. So, we switched that. that's now being used as a cso vehicle. It's hard to get. A lot of the officers weren't really excited to jump into one that smells like
a dog that lived in it for eight years. So, I was talking to medical chief a little bit before uh meeting tonight. I did my uh my ride along in response to to Tom doing his ride along. Right. And so one of the things I learned on
Friday night is that the department has a SWAT robot that it will throw into rooms to clear when the SWAT team is out. So, you know, officers aren't, you know, peeking around corners, but rather the robot will they can clear the room and know what's in there before they go
in. Um, that currently is about a decade old. um the battery life is failing on certain missions, but they're going it won't the entire operation and I was asking what it could cost for the new level. So
I did some research when I was driving. Um so it's we are getting a refurbished realer right now and then they're going to refurbish the batteries that we have on that unit. a new one is right around $18,000, but the new model is still the
same technology of what we have right now. So, there's not a change. Um, just talking with the other SWAT leader, like, he goes, I would still hold off. Okay. Um, for a year or two, because we use a lot of the drones, too. like in the
drones are,00500 for the small one that you put in versus an $18,000. But you kind of use both we'll come through a window if they come in and we land that. So it's our eyes and then the throwot is a whole other
tool where we're trying to avoid sending officers into that corner room until the robot goes in and doing more call outs and stuff in that major. And then we also have a mutual owned one with the
county and us that we got from the train derailment, the Raymond one, which is a really expensive robot as well. But they all have different uses. So been waiting for this one to get repaired it sounds like cuz Yeah, we have a longer
and then ours is going to get new batteries and refurbished. So, I'd say see what the technology because some of this stuff is changing so fast or two years from now might be something really good out there. Hopefully, it's cheaper. You're not
going to give us a solid definitive answer on two, three or four spots. What's that again? Two, three, or four spots. You won't give us a solid answer on what you want. Well, what you need? I'd like to see that room for three. I
think we can get five if any needed cut. But um I'd like that power of having the money in there where you can decide like on the bus to see because you can't go shopping for anything they use because if I see one now I'm like okay here's
one for $40,000 that would work. I have to by time I come to council and ask for the money and if it's not there it's not there anymore you know. So I I just would like to have that power of of that portion of it versus saying, "Well, a new one's 195,000
feel comfortable saying that we need a $195,000 bus or $150,000 bus." So you still have a policy where some officers can take their vehicle site to city limits.
Yeah, we have a directive on that because that was from the former chief, correct? Okay. Why is the reason they can do that? It's from the former and that was something we're going to be bringing up with you guys. So, I know I talked to Leslie a couple
months ago. Haven't heard anything. So, yeah, we just we were just talking about it was going to get presented. Yeah. You drive another town and see a lumber police car drive. It's great for that community for safety. It's not for
the citizens. We never authorized it. The council didn't. It's up for review right now. Yeah. We're working on numbers. Last year you went down from four down.
Why would you need to work on numbers? Either you do it or you don't. You drive your own car or you drive a city. But why are you working on numbers? Well, if you would like us to give you a complete answer to it, we would need the numbers to go along with the number of hours that they're actually taking them out
cuz they're not always going out every night to a house either. They're within town. and also outside of the city limits.
It's fine if they take them home and they live. Well, see that's what we need to because you have council give that directive. Well, okay. I would just say drive your own car. Drive your own car to work and drive it home.
Maybe the fire too. Yeah. I'm I'm just just saying our firemen don't she assistant to get to drive their school. That's her resp. So to me there would need to be a reason
why they would leave their car at home. Response too. Yes. a decent response called it. It has I mean they're when they have them it's when they're on their fore on their four off. So the officers you know
like last Friday night just going to use that as an example. We had a shooting at 551. So for the paper to put in the in the story, but that's like the worst time for anybody to do a shooting because you
have both crews there. The the night crew has already come in. So it worked out really good and helped solve all that. So, it's a time and when and when you're shorted on the patrol part, that's your game. Because a lot of times if we're behind a couple calls, two, three, the night the night car or flip
up the day car is already taking calls as they're trying to, you know, relieving your other people and not seeing the overtime because if they're clearing, they're not, you know, they're staying in the car and they're going or not seeing where somebody's here for 15
or 20 minutes. um you're not seeing that portion of it, but as far as the release when it's busy, it's like anything, you never know what's going to be busy, what day of the week, but it is awfully nice for that. you have a time
that they you can relate to as far as response because otherwise the officer has to come into the shop in the shop pick up a car. What kind of time is cut off on a response if they have the car? Oh, it's you know depends like a lot of
people aren't that far away. Um you're going right to it, you know. So I mean your car is ready if you're coming to the office. you still have to get that car fighting up and get the frost on the best frost. Um, so there's obviously a time delay in boat start,
but it's definitely made for more coverage, you know, on those different time time frames. A lot more to understand than just don't drive your car home, right? Yeah, it's it's the same when
there's swap calls and time where it's get people or the house stuff. I feel like the chief makes city administrator run over the
the consequences the health gives and the cost. Let them come back direct message. So clarify, chief, you'd be okay with three cars, but you'd like to keep
that money so that if a bus comes up, I'd like the flexibility of so keeping four cars in budget. four would be ideal, but I'm, you know, willing to, we've done such a delay on some of the cars, um, you know, getting them
outfitted where we have some that are just going to have to go by. So, if we just gave you a $200,000 vehicle allowance and you could spend it however you desire. Yeah, I think that would be I mean, you know, like saying, I would
still be I would still be pushing to try to get as many cars or which which is the correct way, but I would I would love to have that power of finding the cost to 99. That's the AC doesn't work. I mean, there's AC works when the truck's running and there's just
different issues with it. It's kind of command. I think there's definitely go in 20 years and have a lot nicer nicer rig. What kind of bus are you looking? Well, like you've seen the one when we have it. Um, right now we have an old
CZ3 bus or what it was called before. Yeah. And we've had that one. So, it has a roof unit AC. It's kind of like a command center. It's also where the SWAT team will go on and we use that. So, we we also have a a um armored Hum. That's
a turret that our SWAT will use. So, I can't write all the SWAT members on there. That's rails. So we usually have everybody go on the bus and then we'll stop a block or so before and then the team will get on the side of the home be and that's the deploy to it. So it also
works it's kind of our command center with tools. So that's that's what we're looking to get and it can be used at different events. You know that's how we used it at sunshine. It used to be out there and that was the go-to for police where you could set up something and
have a flag on it. So the that bus work out though okay for you? It did except for now I know where you're going to go with this question. They're driving them to the ground. So they're like you don't want to buy one. That's where we were at. So that's why I
would rather see the power of maybe Kooby has something or somebody else has the right bus that has 60,000 miles on it or 50 and it might only be three years old and it might fit just perfect. I know they just got born in.
Yeah, not sure how bad they have, but that's kind of what we were told when we were asking like they weren't standing behind like you probably want to buy them because we took one for the seat or that was pretty bad.
Wasn't that this one you can see the crowd and step on the steps and there's Yeah, we we saw this. Yeah, I brought it. Yeah. And it's like you say, it's been
the PD has had it as long as I've been here. So, it's been around since probably six. It's showing all the sign up age on it cuz the first five years I'm sure six days a week or seven days a week. So,
turn. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I've looked on I've looked online. I price brand new and it's like I'd have a hard time saying that we should spend 150 130 to custom this for $200,000 when they're
not putting that many miles on. That's a the right cost like as we got the other one, the outfitting on it was done by city garage. They put in the different cages and our accessories to it. Way way more reasonable than
like a 200k vehicle allowance for the P then for next year 11K more than what's listed and should be in a scenario too. Okay. No, we give them flexibility to find us.
Yeah. See, and if we don't find the right thing and it's not going away, CIP, you know, where you can work on that holding part and maybe the next year you have to go. So, I think like you say, I'm just looking at
now what's the problem if you're looking four, five or six? Well, our our our squad cars as far as the SUV portion seems like they they've definitely held up more than what back
in the day of Impala. We had Impala and Paul and they just kind of grenaded at 100,000 miles for a squad car. So, the other ones we've been able to get a little bit more miles out of them and we're kind of playing that with City Garage and what they think on Summer London. And you you can see some of the
issues of co card not as good as the I call them co because stuff in 21 and there's some really weird things with it where some of our 17 and 18s were better work the city positions do we have budget
Yeah. What's that? How many positions have we budgeted for? What in the city? How many jobs have we budgeted for? 110 full-time employees.
And by usually we have four PD one in the planning department and our public works director. So it's 113 that includes wastewater
113 full time. Yes. And then we're short six. Yes. Which one's cool? I know how it works. We would like to reounce the one for the
arm instead of the main street coordinator. We don't have a Main Street coordinator, right? We're not planning on having a Main Street coordinator either, but we So, we eliminate that position then? Well, we would like to have a planner in that position because that would support
a lot of other work that we're doing with the comprehensive what what's in Christopher's department. So, we have three inspectors, administrative assistant, and a city
planner. The position that administrator Valingan is referencing is a graph position, but we just had a score, so it'll come in right on par with the main street coordinator position salary by so around the 50 to 60,000. This position
is basically structured around implementation of the comprehensive plan and also like more of an economic development based on certain geographic locations throughout the state. So this person would essentially be going after
business for the city and having developers come here. So it's almost like an investment into increase to our department. Well, don't we have uh EC
chamber and other actors that are doing that position right now? They are not. No, they're not. I um I could perhaps provide you all with a draft job description of it. And through that job description, you'll be able to
see that this person is basically building relationships with our downtown businesses and making sure that resources are kept here and well and for zoning regulations or anything like that. Christopher Frank, which is
our city planner. He does a lot of the responding to applications that we get. This person will be going out to drive business to the city, just downtown businesses or all uh it'll be geographically um in certain areas and so we're working on some
overlay districts with a heavy focus there, but our industrial park will be part of that too. Tom, could you run a scenario for me just to cement? So, if we keep the traffic replacement
and then in my 200 $200,000 PD vehicle allowance, that's adding another 11,000. So, I'm adding 121,000 back into CI off of scenario two.
How much do we need to cut to get us a 0% tax rate? No change to the tax rate. That's right. Well, I don't know if the county is going to increase the value of all your property. Yeah. So while you're waiting for that, it
takes six to seven hours to follow the entire city. Okay. And if we lose one, you could probably add one to three hours on the M side depending on the routes. We lose one out of 11. So that takes three more hours.
Depending on the routes. Yeah. Well, when we first started putting money in for the city hall, it was $500,000. We got it up to 627 right now. That's when we took that 121 $122,000
away from that. to be hauled down $500,000 back down where the original started from be a wash there and the waiting of it. I advocated for one
of the increases of it to go up by less money but after year after year after year now we're seeing a couple increases. This time we have MC and St. all and I know we're pulling the money out
to fix the elevator, get it up to the standards out of this this month, but right now with the way the prices are and everything else, I think we have to lower that.
We still we still have years later on to add on board to close but they don't have city hall. I've been on calls like that. There's been eight different locations we talked about at least. We looked at
quite a few, you know, where putting that on there, you know, on getting that bill out of the I'm looking at the old CIP plan for 2026. There's 43 items. It looks like they're actually listed here
as the numbers. Out of the 43 items, has some of them already been checked off or are they already funded or are we actually only funding two four? Okay. Well, no, because the traffic lights are up here. The wildfire subject.
Oh, sure. Okay. So, Eagle Lake panel upgrades are getting funded through water. So we don't have to worry about those. Correct. The list applied tonight would be the cash options only and and what staff and the mayor had gone through of
our priority projects for next year. Yeah, there the fire alarm panel for city hall. I thought we were fun that through a different source other than cash. It'd be under the city hall the already levied dollars. Correct. So that will be essentially two and three are
completed. Okay. just not via the in answer to Mr. asks question was uh another $245,000 roughly by adding after adding in those requests that's where I would be at personally we work towards a consensus
would be to ask the staff to come back and cut 245 grand additionally out of the operative I appreciate Tom's suggestion that you call it again my mind that's a one it kind of expense and we continue to go down the line but I think more weight
that we can carry ongoing expense for the operations budget to see that. So, well, I would also like to see that. Okay. So, maybe we lower the tax that
scenario. Scenario two is cutting 178,742. What's the figure you want in addition to that? 245. in addition to it. That's correct. 0% tax rate.
Well, adding in the traffic light and the extra $11,000 for the vehicle, three cars plus 11 grand. That's the flush fund.
So, the capital would be about 810 and then Yeah. total from 690 up to 810 including those adjustments. Guess it's a little bit closer to what Steve suggested as 1.1 which I you know would be great if we could be there just
tell me again what the figure was that he's asking for and that would need to come out of operations salaries and benefits basically open currently in so um I'm just going to share my screen
through it this So as is being discussed, so this is just updating here scenario two. So we're reducing this number by sorry this number by 241,000. approx 240 to 245. We'll we'll get the
final dollar amounts here. Increasing CIP from 690 to 810 gets us at a 0.004% tax city hall $500,000
775 and put it back in operations. No, just leave it out. Just enter it in like that. I want to see it back too. So, we would be going backwards in our tax rate. We got to leave it in there for three months to fund the fire alarm panel. We already got We already got it.
Now, put it back. Put that rest of that money back into operations. What would we be reducing operations? Signal. He's asking to reduce city hall. So it's not using city hall. It's reducing the
amount we're putting aside this year. So, if I'm following correctly, um, so starting, we're removing 241,000 from the operations budget, but then
adding back in 187,000 from the CIP levy city hall city the city hall should be 127,750. So it be 127 I'm sorry 750 being 0% what we So you're talking about reducing
operations by how much now? Um 120,000 roughly in in addition to the 178. Yeah, in addition to the 178. I would
um just note that while 500,000 is a lot of money for a CIP levy, it would not cover a debt issuance cost of a $10 million project over 30 years. So, but just just so
you're aware, I mean that would have if a city hall project has gone for 10 million that dollar amount to come back. So, one other question I guess and I am not suggesting we cut this position at all, but when Pablo's
position started it was a grant, correct? No, it was a donation. It was not a grant. Okay. So, was a donation with the understanding that the city would continually have this position and built
it into their budget. Okay. And that was the understanding. So where was it was that is there a way that we can get money funded for his position again? I mean, is there
anything out there to help cover that human this title? So every time that we have our I mean we just got another 20,000 from Blue Cross Blue Shield today and um so
in accepting this funding of $450,000 it was the understanding that we would build this position into our budget and so in that regard if you want to cut that position then but I'm saying this with
all of our other nonprofit organizations that do contribute to the city for projects, they would probably cut their funding out to us too for some time. So, we have 20,000 from Blue Cross Bush that I just got
this afternoon and then we had 18,000 from Southwest two weeks ago or four weeks ago, whenever it was. And we are also working on a Minnesota humanities grant and with
that they do fund time. So we're working on that grant right now. So I I didn't mean to suggest cutting out position at all. Just wondering if there's other ways to fun do those pay for his salary. They do. They do. They don't they don't.
This to me sound a little bit like the deal with the aquatic center where we're going to donate you an aquatic center but at the end it's going to cost us $264,000 a year to operate. How much money do we take into the aquatic center? You know, so if if position costs 150,
this is nothing personal. Please don't take it that way. But you're saying we're going to lose grant money if we don't have it and we don't take him. How much of grant money? Depends. You just $58,000 less than half the salary.
Then who's going to help with the project that we have? I I don't I don't know where the original came from. sort of donation. The original 450,000 came from Blue Cross and that's after the 5 years of their
having somebody in the city looking at the diversity and the community itself and the health of the community. And so they felt that it was important that we have a position that continues having those connections in our minority
groups. That's what that is. And we also have received um I lost my train of thought to also um in the past our main street
coordinator worked with some of these projects like the um Martin Luther King our welcoming week our um Cinco de Mayo downtown. So that was part
of the main street coordinator's position to do that work too. So now Pablo has taken on that work. I know you said you are looking at cutting it. I I don't want to go there
because Pablo what he has done for the diversity of our community and relationships you think of the heritage I don't know how many of you were there it was fantastic
it was outstanding and people will be so pleased with the high school and then another but there's more than that that he does and I've sat with him in his office a
number of times we we have to maintain that position that's good for our community I have two questions we have an HR one just we have no other part second things. What happens if we just
close the pool for a year? But I mean, we've talked about this and if I mean, if you're talking about cutting, if you want to cut operation box, we could do that in one swoop and just say we're not opening pools. then let's and if people don't just let me finish
if people don't like that then let's go raise some donations because this is what it's costing us to run the pool and I don't know what we made in revenue even if we said it cost us $200,000 to close a pool and look for some people
who might be willing to help us make that sustainable I would argue there is no municipal pool anywhere ever made that makes money. It is not I'm not disagreeing with you, but when
you're starting to talk about chicken or eggs, what's what's important? If you're talking about not plowing streets or not doing this, closing the pool is an amenity. Maybe we cut things at the event center. Maybe we cut back on staff
other places some things. Is that what we want to do? Because I don't think that's right for our community. But those are those are the ones that our taxes are funding. Yeah. Community center, recommend center, the do
amenities and our staff supports. I see your point. Yeah, experience tells me that if you shut down the pool for a year, you're going to pay for it because it's not even there's going to
be deterioration. Well, there's things that there's repairs that we were shut down a good portion of this year. Yeah, that you know that didn't help. Didn't help. And so, you know, you look at look at how do we get from here to here?
But I'm I'm just concerned that we're throwing a figure out that's not not doable. Getting back to the Blue Cross Blue Shield uh propos my understanding was when this came to us it was on a three-year grant. First
year 100 100,000 100% second year they paid 60 the third year they paid 40. We talked about what happens at the end of the third year and if we terminate it sooner, not or later, and was permanent
sooner. Now we're getting now totally different. I want to see this contract, see what it says, see all because if you're not being locked with us, you're not being there. I recall that we could have terminated that after a year and a half. We didn't
build free woods. Now you're saying part of it is saying we had to build it in. It wasn't like that maybe might have affected how we made I want to see that contract. There was no contract.
I wanted to see the meeting and the discussion throughout the whole meeting. You can go online and I don't recall the city. I am requesting city to get here. They
will give you the date. No, I want the minute information. Yes. Yes. And I think everybody should get that. Yes. So they can go through there and see
because what you just said is not understandable what I remember. I think the only other thing I would say is what it started out it has transitioned into something different that's needed for our community
and so it's it's it's was there helping us to do my whole point is the story on how we got here from Yeah. No, I understand that. So, we'll review the story, but then acknowledge acknowledge the other things that are
being done and how we've transitioned from Main Street to some of the other things and what do we want for our community like closing the pool? Sorry.
My my question is on publicity how do you get a budget of the other expenses that are in their program that she does let's see is the program for the
expenses because we have to account for the expenses and then the revenues are on the other side that's Positive or natural sale? Everything every insurance set pension 183
and with this pay scale. Okay. So other communities are paying 150,000 for positions. It was scored. It was scored. Yes. You always have to go through a scoring
process in the main street. First one was getting 50 to 60. Yes. Makes sense. I can tell you well I will also tell you that Mayor Kelvin was the driving force
on the scale to be also position because he was also very thought that it was to be a position as a higher director than a somebody that is a main street coordinator
because he felt that strongly about the position. We should give all our department heads to raise them to be equal. They are all very much in mind to that. So
where we're at then is going back to Justin's ask of trying to find 245 or what was your number? Yes. Right. which I think then Tom and Audrey, you know, jump around
that I'm content with where it's at personally called down 500 putting the rest of that back in. So then that means no no further cuts if we take that out of
No cuts be made. Okay. Yeah. Not as much. Right. Right. And it's just my philosophy, I guess, that that comes better as a recommendation from staff about how they want to, you know, how
they want to structure their programming and their personnel as opposed to the nine of us sitting here taking shots. And they don't need any better than we can ask. So just the consensus that you I'm guessing and the consensus is that you
want the answer to be zero. So we'll work on to just get zero. Is that what we're hearing? specified the house want to see those CIP items the traffic signal put back in and the money for I don't want to get
cut from the CIP to get also for the police department and CIP CI Is that still at 1.18? So I think it was Yeah. So adding somewhere. Yeah.
Summarize. We're going to add in traffic signal 110. We're going to adjust the police department CIP from the three squads up to just $200,000. We're going to reduce the city hall levy to $500,000. take the 1275 up back to the general
fund and then ultimately get a flat tax to whatever that balance is. Is that Yes. So I also want to clarify so that the city hall fund itself reserves we're going to pay for the electrical panel
and the elevator. So, we're actually going to only have a reserve transfer of about $350,000 this current year. Yes. Well, next year we're
okay with reallocating old auditorium CIP dollars for the library grow. No, I thought we were paying for the library. Do we have Sorry.
Do you have any more information on whether the roof is going to be the reasonable figure or No, so we're not ready to make that decision. We weren't going to have that information today and they pushed it out today.
that I think should come back to us. We know what the amount is. I should have asked in the council meeting, but it was in the consent agenda. So, I didn't Why were the bids so different? Sorry, for the public works appointing all that. Why were the bids so wildly
different? This is the library. No, I'm talking about crazy different. Yeah. Were they completely different sculpts? I know renovation is expensive, but they also did the
civic center inexpensive. That's why I was really surprised really want something. Are we done? Are we done? I didn't ask. We are looking to answer Steve's question on
this part. Yeah. I I'm feeling comfortable with this. I didn't want to see certain things go out. Um but I think that there's some give and take on every aspect from each
side CIP the city hall the general fund for their general expenses. So nice here for want to see I want continue to see that compromise between all all of those different areas. I don't want to see one
come back and say we're leaving it the same and then all of a sudden we're going to take more from the CIP here. We're going to take more cond. So you can see that little bit of give and take from each each side of it.
I have one more question on see I think you kind of answered it already but if we so we hold it for three years. It's it's three plus it's the year is allocated plus three plus three years. Yeah. So, have you looked at what's
still being held for y three years ago and whether there's anything else we could because you've done that with a couple things already. Is there anything else that we can go back and say we're not doing this anymore.
Uh there are uh the the auditorium are the big ticket items. Uh another one outstanding is the fire lighting. Um, that's a small 10 thou it's small $10,000. Um, public works has some door replacements that just also went through
the consent agenda. I don't know if there'll be any leftover dollars there. It doesn't look like it. And then there are nothing significant. Nothing significant. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, that will be coming back before the council on the 20th. Yes,
first year that legs up is really old and updated. So, it looks like Motion to secondly serving. It's like a Bina.