Elson hereos here Mar here Bly here Davis here Shon here Butterfield here eight present one excused stand for the of flag of the United States of
America stand indivisible withy and justice for all we've got a short agenda but uh that doesn't mean it's going to be a short meeting but um are there any proposed additions or
deletions to the agenda hearing none um I will say this is a a council workshop and the council will be receiving information and ask questions of the presenters the public is here
listen only so um I'll call on Kyle box and to start the presentation thank you Mr Mayor uh thank you City Council Members um tonight
we're going to talk about uh the most recent updates on the con Wilmer initiative but first I want to take a step back and uh thank the numerous people that have involved with this process over the past couple of years and really the last 12 months uh really hands on first and foremost thanks to
the Broadband committee we have members from the Broadband committee here this evening Hometown fiber is here with us tonight we'll hear a presentation from him boltman mink as a city engineer helping us out with the project and then we'll uh also introduce to the council
uh representatives from broadband MN and silver light the isps that are interested in being a part of the network so thank you thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight uh the connect Wilmer initiative was an in initiative to have a city-owned fiber
optic infrastructure a project aimed at providing high-speed reliable internet access to every home every business here in the moment overall here's the agenda that we wanted to go through again tonight so we'll hear from the city myself from the city first we'll ask b m to come up
Hometown Fiber Well I'm going to touch on the industrial park Grant that's has ties to the fiber project as well and we'll have some ISP introductions at the end as we move through the project um one of the things start out by talking
about is impactful U infrastructure projects that the city has undertaken uh throughout recent years I like to highlight these because it's important to understand that what what cities do well is infrastructure whether that's airports wastewater treatment facilities
a construction of a Wilmer wire rail access uh making our industrial parks shovel ready certified and our and our uh really our gear and our our ramp up of Street improvment projects throughout the city each one of these projects has carries their own significance and
weight and and value throughout the community but these are truly infrastructure projects that address uh growth they address Economic Development they address safety and and access for our residents so I like to put instill in people's mind as we go throughout the
presentation and go over the material that to really tie a lot of this back to infrastructure that's it's core that's what's being proposed tonight but first what is the connect Wilmer initiative this was an initiative designed to help secure Wilmer future by
enhancing its internet infrastructure Wilmer has long been known for its leadership in agriculture technology and industry the city continues to build on this Legacy with forward-thinking projects like connect Wilmer fast reliable affordable internet
service has become crucial for personal and professional growth recognizing this necessity City staff and the elected City Council Members have taken proactive steps to get to this point and to ensure that the community has access to highquality Internet service that it
deserves and that it's offered at reasonable prices in today's World fast reliable and affordable internet isn't a luxury necessity it touches every part of our lives from how we work how we learn how
we connect how we Prosper without it we risk losing that Legacy and being left behind as we went through the project and and talked about Municipal own networks um we wanted to give a snapshot of what the what that specifically what
networking need to be looks likee across the country communities invest in these networks for a variety of reasons whether it be Economic Development gring access to education and Health Care price stabilization so on all of these networks they range from massive
networks offering multi- gigabit services to hundreds of thousands of households small towns each one of these dots is a is a municipal owned Network whether that's a County City ad joint powers some type of public
entity as we go back I should have highlighted some the significance of some of these colors so yellow that you see up here is signified by retail services so again these are are publicly owned networks uh but offer direct uh service to Residents and
businesses the orange dots you can see some out in Washington Colorado kind of the Clusters there those are open access networks those are the network that's the model that wmer has pursuing we'll talk about Open Access here in a little bit uh the purple shaded colors here are
institutional networks often owned by uh governments counties schools hospitals Etc and often what these networks what these networks do is they establish into broader Municipal networks over time so you can see just located here right in
in Minnesota south of the Metro you see the purple there that's uh Carver net Carver County fiber project that started probably 12 15 plus years ago that project has continued to expand um and now with these with more recent
connections they're actually bringing on residents and businesses as their as their Network expands so again this was just to kind of illustrate um throughout the entire country 795 communities have have gone through this process at some
at various uh various levels and in various Network structures I thought it was important to uh bring the council and and whoever's paying uh whoever's watching and listening uh just to kind of give an inter project Evolution history of what we've went
through the last couple of years so back in the fall of 2022 City received put out a request for proposals uh to bring internet infrastructure to the industrial park in 20 in the fall of 22 the city received three proposals for Broadband projects
in Wilmer each of the these proposals vary and offered more than what the initial ask of bringing fiber just to the industrial park and the standal proposal to the Broadband committee was from Hometown fiber their proposal suggested not just bringing fiber to the
industrial partk but to every home and every business here in Wilmer and this this project really this proposal struck Accord with the Broadband committee because this was when a Broadband projects were affluent throughout the entire County through their bead grants and so so on uh the committee wanted to
get more information vetting the recommend before vetting to vet and before making a recommendation to the city council so in the uh winter of 2022 uh the city went and undertook a mapping project to really see how the city of
Wilmer was served we'll look at that in a couple of slides Ming on into 2023 that recommendation uh was brought to the city council in February uh to bring on home or the to move with that proposal Hometown fiber was brought on
as the city's Broadband consultant and throughout 2023 uh we wanted to connect with experts in the field uh specifically on Open Access is this doable for Wilmer we wanted to make sure our due diligence was being we're completing our due diligence to make
sure um that the proposal that you're seeing tonight is sound moving on into 2024 uh civil engineering contracts were agreed to we have an operations agreement uh that is the governing document for how this network would run ISP
negotiations have been undertaken we've done some community outreach throughout the summer and the fall now hitting up Rock and Robins welcoming week and we did some public engage three public engagement sessions at the library we've done some project branding as
well going back to the project this mapping project was done late 2022 early 2023 and with this indicated to us is is that Wilmer is predominantly served by coax cable shaded in yellow um over
7,000 Parcels as you look here um the red Parcels here are both city-owned properties it's the airport and the waste treatment facility uh those Pro properties at the time were not being served uh with reliable internet which
has since been remediated probably the mo one of the some of the just as important are the blue Parcels those are the parcels in in the city limits that are receiving fiber Services now you look at somewhere these uh locations are at you'll see the
Northeast side of the or top right side of the map Northeast Wilmer indot Civic Center County building the jail a High School Bridgewater College to the West um and some property in the industrial park and big box stores uh on
the south of town 23 Parcels in total out of those 7,000 Plus uh we're receiving fiber Services now we real understand and realize that this is this was an old map um at this point right we 2025 so we
actually U with the assistance of Hometown or Hometown went out and did our updated map of the cud of Wilmer since 2022 um five more connections to fiber have been made two out of those five are the city City properties uh the other
ones had the do down by Mills Auto um in that area of to so taking a step back so not outside of City Limits we want to kind of give a perspective here on uh how fiber this what this map identifies is gigabit
symmetrical speeds uh that are being offered um so if we look at the map here here's Wilmer bead funding and other Grant and other projects um that the county has been undertaking um you can see where
those connections are being made cities are being C D out um because they are technically served under the guidelines of the grant this isn't a knock towards the grant at all that's offered through the state of Minnesota in the federal government this is a fantastic opportunity to connect rural residents
and Rural Minnesota Homer doesn't qualify um so that's what we talk about when we when we at the beginning of the slide we lose that risk being left behind as we zoom out you can kind of get a greater impact or an idea of how
the these gigabit services are being connected and this this information is from um Minnesota's website as well further these connections across Minnesota are being made and each a lot of these holes that you see maybe in
West Central Minnesota are those carbots of communities so there's importance to being making sure that Wilmer is connected and isn't going to risk being left behind right so what's open
access we this is the model of uh of infrastructure and internet service U that the city of wmer is pursuing an open access network is designed to allow multiple internet service providers or isps to use the same physical Network infrastructure in this case owned by the
city of wmer the physical Network infrastructure such as fiberoptic cables in this case again is owned by the city of Wilmer City in this case is not an ISP we are not getting in the business of selling internet we are in the business
of infrastructure the Open Access model is for the the infrastructure that's owned by the City offers access to this network on an open non-discriminatory basis this means that various isps uh or network operators can lease access to
the network and provide service to customers different isps uh can connect to the Open Access Network offer their own services they handle customer acquisition filling support while the underlying Network infrastructure Remains the
Same because multiple isps can use the same network there's a greater opportunity for competition in the market this can lead to better service options lower prices more Innovation as different providers strive to attract and retain
customers and with it being owned by the city and proposed to be owned by the city under this model the Open Access model often involves regulatory oversight to ensure that access is provided fairly and equally the goal is to prevent monopolis practices and ensure that no single provider can
dominate the network infrastructure and it's open access move through the project um this is the proposed updated most up-to-date timeline that's being suggested so again the council uh we're in
2025 we've been working on this for quite some time and we are good point um that this will come to the council table at a regular session um to make a decision on how the council would like to proceed whether that's going out for bonds um so phase one which is
identified here on the map scheduled to take place in 2025 phase two the following year in phase three the north side of Wilmer uh completing in 2027 this is a good opportunity I think to to talk about the industrial park
Grant um the industrial park located in West West part of Wilmer uh the city is pursuing a federal Economic Development Grant the federal 8 this is an industrial park grant for Street and restoration storm sewer sanitary sewer
water M and fiber uh when the staff had the opportunity to sit down with Federal Eda and talk about the project or the opportunity um we didn't necessarily think fiber was going to be brought up or wasn't necessarily initially part of
the conversation until until late of the conversation we started talking about the Open Access Network um EA was excited about that and asked us to include the industrial par include the fiber project within the industrial park Grant
did uh the total for everything so streets utilities water sewer fiber the entire Grant is uh submission was right around 5.6 5.7 million but the grant is it's a 50/50 Ma so half would be on the for the
construction portion only uh 50% would be paid by the city and then re the other 50% would be reimbursed back to the city as those cost but specifically carving out the fiber portion of the grant uh this includes the buildout of the industrial
park and the construction of the network Operation Center of the knock and we'll talk about what that is in a little bit but essentially think of it as the brains of the operation so the construction cost for fiber in the industrial park um construction cost is right around 1.3
million we do have a contingency built in there of 10% um and the fiber total for that project including engineering costs is right around 1.8 million uh the federal share again is is construction reimbursement only um which we would get
a grant up to a grant lower than $750,000 now um we're kind of in limbo at this point on the status of federal grants um there's been a a moratorium or a pause on on federal grants we're still waiting for guidance and conversations to occur
between the city and Eda on how we are what we are expected and how we can proceed with that but um it's an active Grant it has been submitted and we are just waiting on next steps for the Ed the city let's this uh in this situation um if the council decides to
move forward with the project how are we going to pay for it what we're proposing is that the city would issue General obligation bonds that would Finance the construction of the project network is constructed with those with those bond funds subscribers that sign up to
receive that service pay their internet bill to the providers in exchange for internet service providers pay a lease fee back to the city that provide that service on the network with those revenues the city would pay back the bonds with fees
received from the um isps from the providers once those bonds are paid off uh profits are reinvested back into the community and the network for ongoing maintenance and potential expansion so my last slide um before I turn it over really summarize what this
what we're trying to accomplish so investing in fiber infrastructure prepare prepares communities not only for current demands but also for future technological advancements by focusing on on scalability reliability and Equitable access communities can create a
foundation that supports Innovation economic growth and improved quality of life as technology continues to evolve robust fiber networks will be essential in ensuring that communities remain competitive resilient connected Mr Mayor I'm now going to turn
it over to Dylan West bman M he's going to walk you the council through um some of the high level engineering that we've put through the project so far so don't are you going to take questions now from you about what you presented uh we can
do that now or we can uh do that at the end Mr Mayor I'm open to however you'd like to do that I think I've got some questions up here okay and and we will we're going to cover um how about we wait maybe towards if it's okay with you Mr Mayor um because
we're going to cover a lot more material with with engineering with Hometown fiber um and maybe answer some of those it might answer some of those questions and maybe once we get through Bolton M and Hometown fiber we could take a pause there before ISP introductions is that
okay that's fine evening mayor C my name's I'm with Bolton M um I am the project design engineer um been working very mostly with both Kyle box and Kyle Morehead with Hometown fiber basically laying out
the actual plant and specifications for the project um so this first slide um some of you probably have seen this slide before this was likely presented last year at a previous council meeting and or Workshop um I know some of you may
not have seen this but as KY ill ated earlier in his presentation um obviously the current proposal for the project is three phases um the blue SLP purple um
area is phase one that is the phase that is going to be proposed for 2025 green is phase two and see the pink magenta is phase three in 2027 and then I'm not sure if you can
see it it but right around in the middle of the green there is a red star that is the knock that Mr box has previously mentioned so just kind of dive into the plans just a little bit this is just a
little snapshot um showing um what would be installed with the project this is a handhole um this particular one that is shown roughly about you know 2 1/2t by 4T wide about you know 3 ft deep
somewhere in there um obviously that is not the only size for the project they range anywhere between you know a foot foot and a half to all the way up to almost four to six bu um currently there's roughly around right around
2,000 of these being proposed in just phase one alone um locations obviously going to vary drastically you know in different parts of the city some are going to be in Corners some are going to be in the middle of the block um
so um moving into um the actual layout of the project um so during our RightWay investigation easement investigation um there have been some areas of that 7,000 Parcels that Mr Box
had mentioned where there currently isn't any existing rideway or easements um where a road rideway currently exist so in these areas um obviously we have
been discussing with the city and City staff um on notifying property owners for those um highlighted in those colors um in order to obtain easements where the street right of away would exist so
that the fiber facility can be installed um currently there's right around 70ish Parcels that are highlighted there um and the different colors there are actually the different type of
documentation um documents that are going to be used in order to Define what the ement actually is so the red ones those are going to be RightWay plats greens are um just exibits um yellow which is actually the fire hall
here that's just a memo and then the blue we're not doing anything with um there's actually no fiber being installed within that um moving on um permits um so all of these colored areas are areas where
we are going to have to be obtaining permit from agencies such as dot candy County um Wilmer Township BNSF um DNR and even mellin so um the green lines um
represent Highway 12 through downtown and out towards the industrial park um and then there is also Highway 40 going out towards the um airport and wastewater treatment
facility the light blue those are representing um County um areas so you've got 7th Street County Road 41 um Wilmer a cter road 23 um 19th AV cter Road 15 cter Road
five on the west side out by Geno C Ro 55 and then even 116 um yellow line up in the far northwest corner that's Township and then all of the different colored dots those are very specific location
red is BNSF permits where we're actually be Crossing underneath Rail lines um blue are actual Crossings underneath Hawk Creek on the west side of town There's a couple of those and then it's kind of hard to see but um there are
four mellin cross Crossings where we'll actually be crossing a um underground oil lines um obviously we have already been working on doing these permanent applications they are in progress um
however just we will be waiting on Council action before finalizing these permits and actually submitting them to the appropriate agencies and then this is um our title sheet
um there's currently I think last time I checked right around 600 of these sheets for just phase one Alone um and that's just phase one um that um I'm not sure if you have any questions for me or if we want to turn
it over to [Music] Morhead you thank you mayor councel staff I'm KY Morehead with Hometown fiber and uh just giving you a recap of where we're at uh
this might be a little redundant but it's a a single fiber optic Network serving the community with multiple internet service providers riding on it so think of it like a digital Street where Community is building a road in this case it's fiber and multiple
providers are offering services on it uh the city of Wilmore owns the infrastructure the infrastructure generates revenue and it puts your future of connectivity in your own hands um ke financials for phase one 9.2 million is the construction we're
rolling out our models at 4% interest um and it brings about 1.2 million in total revenue 76 730,000 uh is what is projected for principal and interest and 265 for operating of
Maintenance with a margin of about 165 um our intent is to have the Broadband committee be the governing oversight of these uh agreements with the isps and with the setting the rates and and different and different aspects
of it here's just some some questions that came up since our last uh meeting was what's the revenue and what's the line for debt so the bottom line here is what we would
consider the the worst case scenario or um a low estimate in a more positive term but that is uh a tracking uh where it Peaks out at about 35% those numbers were based on some of the networks that we've found across the community or
across the country that hadn't performed uh to expectation for a variety of reasons most of those networks were overlaid entirely by competing fiber networks after they were constructed and so the peak rate that they got or the average rate they got was right in that
low 30 to mid-30 range and it took quite a while for them to achieve it so that's the low number our our anticipated uh line is the blue and then U the best case scenario or the optimistic view is based on some very real numbers and some
statistics that we've been getting from other uh networks of this nature that have performed very well um and I think uh some of these numbers can be backed up a little bit by the isps that are here tonight as as well so uh this is
another question that came up was taxpayer risk now we did this for phase one if if you build it and do nothing with it which is obviously quite unlikely but let's say you do uh $9.19 is the taxpayer risk and then our the
grade line here is sort of the risk threshold where it converts from you know to positive cash where the risk for the taxpayers is eliminated by the revenue generated on the network so you can see on the lower the lower number
here the the the worst case scenario you're looking at quite a ways out before that occurs and and not very much margin for it if it and when you do occur but the other models track much higher and so the risk factor is is
lower and it all comes down to the percentage of tape rate that has to do with how many subscribers you get based on how many prop properties you pass by with your fber and this was based on a
$200,000 medium household income um I was asked a little bit to talk about the knock there's been a lot of discussion about what the knock is so what the knock is is a location for ISP equipment and other you know fiber optic
connections to to make the network possible it connects to the outside world uh to the broader internet as well as provide a place for that's power friendly and secure and everything that the internet providers are seeking we looked at a lot of different
ways to do this one of them was we went from anything from shipping containers to those concrete structures you see by cell towers all the way up to a full building um and when we were discussing this with the City we discovered that there is a a building out at the old
Wastewater facility that is is there and we when we investigated it we found and we investigated other City properties but this one really stood out as the fact that it has on-site generation that's adequate for power so that's a big check for the isps to every red done
power um its location is very good it's centralized um it's built extremely well as you would expect from Wastewater facility so we didn't have any problems with it structurally or you know all the boxes were ticked on it so we went ahead and proceeded with some some modeling
just to see you know what the cost of effectiveness of it was and it obviously is quite cost effective if you don't have to recreate all those things uh as of late we had an one of our electricians at Hometown came out checked out the generator checked out
the transfer switch checked out the distribution and um proceeding for with the electrical side of this model but up here on the left you see these orange cabinets on the side that's where the actual fiber comes in and terminates
that goes to all the all the parcels and then in the middle you have some processing processing equipment that can be located whether an ISP decides to get a rack or a cage or have an actual room which are are located up here and there
they have their options of how much they are they're going to need and um then around the perimeter are just some air conditioning units to cool it CU all that technology generates send off a lot of heat so as you all are probably quite aware this is just a top
down view of it um it allows for you know secure areas for the gear plus you know server side equipment uh Edge Computing and a little bit of AI can't go crazy with AI because of the power restrictions but there's some there uh
um uh and it really does connect Wilmer to the broader internet and then uh Kyle box had asked me to talk just briefly about some other opportunities these are not negotiated they're possible right so we've been talking to other communities
around the Wilmer area and they're kind of in the the ballpark of if you build this facility and Wilmer goes forward with it other communities are interested in connecting it's it's a lot of talking right now they're kind of waiting to see
what you all do to see if there could be a joint power agreement made with somebody else but the facility here is uh equipped in such a manner that those types of expansions are possible without having to add more facility and add more
power I'll leave it to Kyle box question perfect sure yeah Mr Mayor we'll it's all right Mr Mayor we'll pause there and um there's any questions from you or the Council on what you've heard so far um
we'll pause for questions question J um Kyle can you go back to that map that of Wilmer towards the beginning of your presentation one that shows kind of current um yes
that one so let me understand the areas in blue right now they have they have fiber connections that's correct and so does that fiber run to coax at some point or
like how does that how does that work yeah um s um ones that we observed when we were doing our mapping in the blue were direct fiber meaning they have fiber service and we could trace it back to a fiber
Network that is running through the community right so it isn't a hybrid where you'd have coaxial cable uh hitting an amp and then feeding fiber from there or vice versa where fiber fed out and then it's distributed in coax which is a little bit more common but
these in the areas in blue were were areas that head fiber optic service that was traceable back to a pure fiber neet okay okay um and then another question so technology in general but I think
specifically this area of Technology uh it updates rapidly there's new developments that make things that were just in our recent past obsolete very quickly and so I mean with the financial numbers that we're looking at this is something that's going to have to stand the test of time a little bit um um what
does this look like in the future you know there's there's going to be another thing coming along soon that makes internet even better and faster because it's going to run on you know Kit Kat bars or something like that what what does that look like what do you first see in the
future thanks counselor um so when when we project and do designs and project you know different uh potentials and possibilities for technology we always start looking at what is in R&D what is being developed and more importantly why
is that being developed what's the market driver for it um everything coming down the pike uh is has to do with Optics and and photonics so we're even getting down to photonic chips that
will run on optical connections inside circuits and and motherboards and things like that so things are going to exponentially speed up but the whole thing is based on itical uh connectivity some of the um very interesting things
going on in that field by the way so we're we're excited about that and we keep an eye on it um future proofing is something that's a little bit different right you can pick a cable like if you go back to the 20s uh 1920s you you look at that and say well twisted pair you
telephone cable was like The Cutting Edge for Telegraph and telephone and that served for 90 some years until um the demand for what that technology could deliver was ran out um so what we do with that is we lean on
people like Walt M and the engineers and we say hey give us a robust conduit system one of the things that the telephone folks did in the 20s is very little of it was put into conduits or any type of structure that could be reused uh for different cables so when
we look at the fiber Network we're looking at not only placing fiber how much fiber goes in there and the biggest challenge you have is getting that right for what you spend today versus what you may need tomorrow so the the way we future proof that is by putting it in conduit and burying it underground so
it's secure those are two things that really significantly Advance the future proofing of the network um whether the fiber cable is you know obsolete in 5 years or not um is a hard likely no and
10 years no 20 years no beyond that you know tech tech changes so quickly that other pressures will come in but you do have this physical pping infrastructure that you can pull out the oldest technology and put in the newest if you
so choose we don't we don't see that happening um in the near future at all sure so definitely decades or at least a decade before that would happen that that's our specul speculation on it now and then we'd even have the groundwork
laid for whatever would be coming next yeah a lot a lot of interesting things are happening in Wireless technology but we've always said and continue to say that you know the convenience of Wireless requires wires and that's no different here you'd have to have
Community infrastructure to get the wireless performance that you see um so with that I mean even the satellite stuff has to hit the ground as rapidly as possible to get into a fiber Network to function do you use six-way or four-way in these
applications um you mean splitting of the fiber no the concrete piping that has six oh sure four sure yeah so um some of the paths are just single conduit paths right just
single pipe other we're using multi duct which you know can range anywhere from 2 to 12 just kind of depends on what that route is doing uh so as you get into the specifications you'll see more and more of that detail you know
this street has this one and this street has another and makes easy to yeah change Yeah in our trunk lines where the the highest concentration of fiber optic strands exist we have uh two conduits in
there we're planning on using one but the cost to put it in is the most expensive part not the conduit itself so so in those cases we did add a little bit of capacity in those routes so that we could swap without having to take anything down and so in those critical
routes you don't ever want them to come down if you can avoid it you would just jump to the other pipe and build and then switch over yeah around infrastructure um will be um Directional Boring then most of it will be in this
case directionally boarded correct I think when you get out into the some of the more open areas out you know toward the airport and down toward the Wastewater Plant you might be able to get away with plowing but for the most part in town it'll be B just have one more question then and
if you can go to the other map that shows kind of the coverage for the state of Minnesota and the those open spots there where you know there's a lot of communities in our area that have been that that aren't currently being served those that are getting left behind like
we are um you had mentioned a little bit Kyle that there might be other communities that are just not talking like there's there's no guarantees there um so obviously like we haven't seen a lot of agreements like this in the past
are you familiar with other communities that that have come up with some agreements like this and I'm assuming the reason that they would build off of our system is because of the knock like that would well it's also your size right I mean if you look at your surrounding communities they're much smaller and
they don't have the economic capacity to even start something small you know they're just they're kind of dependent on not only the E the economic development of your area but you know they're dependent on your technical capacity too so if if you were to go
forward with this it's very likely that they'll start joining and they see your success but they're they're they're not going to take a risk and do it themselves at this point because they're just too small they don't have the the population density and the numbers to support it they can't attract isps they
can't attract infrastructure like this but yes the knock is a key part of it if you don't have that you're you're not going to be able to really tie into these other communities with efficiency and then any kind of idea like those agreements I'm assuming come like with
some sort of financial benefit the city of Wilmer have you seen anything in other states any well I think you know what be a better person to better I'm not trying to shut this but seriously the the person here to answer this and I'm sorry to put you on
the spot but is the folks from uh silver light and Anthony Willow from Bradman we've got a lot of experience working with multiple communities right and so there's a lot of hypotheticals in Minnesota and yes other communities do have joint Powers agreements that connect in and out of all these other
networks but they're all a little bit unique and different than what we're proposing here so I think an ISP this here might excuse me Kyle you you threw out a couple of numbers and and like to if you could explain those again a little bit
the 1.3 million 1.8 million what what were those are we talking about the industrial part well yeah yeah the costs um so I have it in my notes on the screen so the industrial park Grant
again located in in phase one so the entire Industrial Park project which includes streets storm water sanitary sewer water um and fiber that entire project uh we budgeted at a little over 5.6
million the grant is for a 5050 match on construction cost only the fiber portion of that Grant is um total so construction contingency
engineering as just under 1.8 million so 1,794 th000 the 50/50 match on the fiber portion only again just for the construction is straight around 700 just under 750,000 747
again that would be a city the way that the grant is set up as if City incurs those costs and then as project is built receive reimbursement back where as expenses are gr um any kind of time
frame um have we talked to them uh yeah we have um well instead of giving a long answer I'll give a short answer is no at this time we do not have a time frame okay we have communicated with them uh there's just not
any any def definitive response back at this point they I mean they they're part of that freeze yeah so I should have thank you council member Nelson I should have clarified that um so I'll back up just a quick step I guess I will make a longer answer uh so when we had
initially applied for the grant um the city was this particular region that for Eda was all of Minnesota and Illinois I believe um and this project was um one of the only if not the only project on
their docket so we felt very confident I mean obviously we go through all the same steps um submit the material uh we were anticipating before Federal freeze on funds uh to maybe have a response by February of this year or March of this year um that was our initial reaction or
anticipation probably late December early January um but that has since changed so we're still waiting for confirmation how we can proceed with the grant or if this going to be approved or [Music]
not yes um just in light of that and I think I think I've asked this question already but I'll ask it again with um you're asking us wanting us to make a decision here within the next couple months soon um one way or the other and to know
whether that Grant would be available or not would be very helpful as part of that decision but um do you have any kind comment if we move forward and the grant is on hold
then we wouldn't have the opportunity correct if I mean because there I know there's requirements before started R yeah that that's correct so the way that this project is work would work as we look at Phase One um internally we've been referring to the industrial park Grant as phase
1A has to be a separately bid project um it has to be by um build America by America so has to be all American products you all TI with grants so there's different stipulations that would apply um so if if we do choose to
wait on the grant process to fold again we we want to hear hope that we hear that soon but uh we would like to what we're proposing or would be proposing is that we would move forward forward with both projects at
the same time um both projects would be funded and built since they they intertwin I mean the industrial park Grant lives within phase one right so um if the council I think we we play that one a little closer to our chest and and see
what hear back from federal Eda it's hard to speculate on what to expect at this point um but we would yes that will be communicated once we have an answer I have two questions first one for you box uh now on this phase one
just for industrial par separating that from the residential we could just build that up still qualified for for that Grant use all the money of the industrial park fund see how that goes before we move through
over into the residential site thank you council member Butterfield um technically yes that is an option however Rec caution that it's not a profitable option we do not make the number of connections necessary within the industrial park if we're excluding residential neighborhoods and
businesses from phase one um we're unlikely to see any profit on continued operations or U any ongoing maintenance that would come along with it now if we have the opportunity to pay with everything in cash for the development obviously the
the the risk of carrying debt is gone because it's paid for um but now we have to have a conversation with isps because you've made that market extremely small and the opportunity for isps to acquire customers could be limited on the number
of um potential hookups they would have at just the Industrial Park um so it's an option that we've lightly talked about but the model that we're pursuing and having multiple isps offer a service on the network we might run into
constraints on willingness or Buy in from isps to offer service on such a a narrow Market my other questions for Kyle Morehead uh if you can bring it back to that slide where you had the bond at 770,000 and I believe the maintenance
265,000 yeah yeah that one there now you're talking about 770,000 annually would be the the bond payment correct Y and the 265,000 would be what it would need to
operate maintain that per year correct correct so then that comes up a little bit over a million we divide that by 12 comes up roughly 86 $6,000 at the very beginning of this and now I'm just shooting from the hip again it was talking city was going to get $15
a month per ISP just off of those numbers alone we're going to need about 5800 customers to break even well it's no longer at 15 to make the numbers work I mean you know they
we're basing it on percentages of the sales that the IPS have but I was just going off of what we were told at the very beginning was going to be about 15 we targeted at 15 uh it it became pretty clear when we started getting into the
numbers that those it was going to have to be more coming from the isps and so our discussions with the isps you know started at that point like it's percentage based so what would be the estimate that we would need just to break even you
know have for customers you know just off of those numbers alone that were we w't be hitting on there yeah again um worst case scenario or the low estimate of take
rate puts you under a million the uh High estimate is 1.2 when you factor the maintenance on there you know this worst case scenario gets really close to a zero some game so how many customers will that be though well you're looking
at on the top rate on phase one uh have about 60% here and that puts us at let me look here or a little over 3,000 total available with uh
subscribers being about 14500 right in that are high 14 low 15 the uh projected tape rate in the middle is about 1400 1300 to 1400 so there's when you get up into those higher
percentages it's not a lot of difference quantity of subscribers just for phase one correct just phase one yeah we we have the other projections for phase two and three as well the numbers get more for construction more subscribers more
Revenue lower risk that's how that goes I think one thing to to to go back two is how we're structuring or proposed to structure the bonds um again it would be a general obligation Bond estimated at this time
9.2 million not including the so that's that is not including the industrial part so that's assuming all the cost phase one but the way we're structuring it is deferring in principal payments for for three years so what this allows us to do is to build up um subscribers
allows isps to build up subscribers uh to ensure that we have enough of a t or user base for when that first principal payment would be made after that third year would be the same structure as of right now that would be the same
structure for each Bond issuance in 25 26 27 the 4% interest is that on the bond yes we'd also then be holding revenue from from sales from isps right or from least from ISP that would also will be interest bearing I'm assuming
for us uh the interest portion from isps so we're waiting three years before we're making payment sure during those three years we're collecting revenue from isps yes yes that would we're have we're going to make
correct just to clarify when you go back you said 99.2 on construction of phase one and it didn't include yeah it didn't include the industrial park correct okay so Industrial Park Grant the industrial park Grant excuse me I'm sorry I'm sorry
so uh if if this industrial PR Industrial Park Grant is awarded to the city of wmer we're looking at about 1.7 to 1.8 reduced off of that 9.2 I had asked this before at another
Workshop City some of the buildings have [Music] internet we drop the current provider and go to our own uh fiber and choose whoever's the provider then it's an opportunity for
the city um we're not obligated to in the network operations agreement um testing memory Council fa uh it's not necessarily an obligation that the city would have to make we do have agreements in place to how the city
is connected um it's a three year a three-year agreement that would expire um already next next year already um obviously but we're not obligated to switch to services but we absolutely have the opportunity
to if it's a better it would be a better service or a like service um it would be an opport we would look at but I would likely need to confer with with Jonah or information systems coordinator on what uh on on security and specifications
that the city would need and a lot of those would be in conversations with isps uh to make sure that the security the buildout for the city would be incorporated into that the service that the city is given and how much have we spent so far on engineering for what we've done yeah
that's a great question um total project I'll break it down I'll start with the big number and break it down from there um so total project year to date we are uh floating or close to about $675,000 and that's but what we've
exp expensed over the last two two and a half years uh 403,000 of that was for the civil engineering contract with Bolton and mink and probably close to 20 200 or a little
over 200,000 um on network architecture and services provided by Hometown fiber uh there's a variety of other contracts or services that the city has paid for whether that's um Eagle review Bond Council review um some project branding
some Outreach um so about where we're at so if another company came into town like arit or or Intel they wanted to put fiber in they would do all the engineering
themselves wouldn't they correct thank you else question no okay K right thank thank you Mr Mayor uh at this time Anthony I'd like to
introduce the the council to Anthony will U he has been um following very closely along working with Hometown fiber and and watching our project grow and develop and we'd like to take this opportunity to introduce Anthony to the
council welcome Anon thank you uh thank you Council thank you community members for being here this is a this is a exciting conversation to have um now I I'm going
to tell you I'm I'm just down the road in Hutchinson that's where Broadband space and uh I'm kind of a off the cough no BS kind of guy right and out in the middle of nowhere we got to get a right
and Wilmer is looking like you're taking this get this project done now I'll tell you a little bit about Broadband give you just a real short and sweet hopefully there's a f did they get a print out yes they got a c um I'll go
over that real quick we've been around for over 20 years we're actually at Broadband Corp celebrating our 20th year this year uh we operate our own fiber to the home network that we privately Finance so I understand exactly all the pain that you guys are looking at right now we're
Yahoo going to have that note paid off this year now it's when we actually uh get a benefit from all those um we'd like the opportunity to partner with you guys this community to
make this happen and be a reality for your community now uh there were a few questions that were brought up and I think it might be in a unique position to answer or bring a little bit more information to it um I like the the comment about tic taacs because you
might not be very far off um in my opinion being in this industry now for almost 30 years uh the next technology that will replace fiber is likely going to be we're getting real sci-fi here teleportation it's going to be quantum
entanglement that is not happening in the next 20 years at least not in this piece not in this device right so the fiber optic infrastructure has lights it's going to be around for a long time right and uh that investment is going to
be viable um and then take on add on to it the the conduit aspect of this buildout nothing's future prooof right but you're doing your due diligence and making the appropriate Investments
to bring that as close to a reality of future proof as possible in my opinion um you know the I also can speak to wireless right that's actually the core of
broadband cor we're a Wireless company we put infrastructure on cellular counters and then we put receivers on our customers homes our current customer base is mostly Farmers people that live outside of City Limits we do service a few
communities um nothing the size of Wilmer we actually don't service the city of Hutchinson even though our field operation is there mostly because the city of Hutchinson has been in the past um difficult to work with um so with that being said that's
the only reason we don't offer services ATS right now Wireless and fiber are actually the same technology uh Wireless is just a lower frequency of light same thing goes on the coats I'm
going to be straight up with you only difference between these three Technologies is the medium it's going across it's all R out it's all light just a different frequency now we've seen through history
uh Twisted copper right plain old telephone right uh show a hands who actually has a telephone in their house an active telephone and we got we got two we got three three people four okay I I bring
that up because this is a perfect example of what how the city needs to actually make this decision is can you afford it will you get the customers to make this happen the four people out of I'm going
to say 50 we'll call it we'll just call it 10% those 10% are not going to get this fiber Network they will not be your customers right they have the technology it does what they needed to do and they don't
need to change right the rest of your competition is going to be the local Telephone Company your cable company and team old specifically that's who you're competing with um
you know there's a lot of whatever you go on this side or that site yeah there's 11 providers or something in town yeah not really you have three you have a telephone company a cable company and you have keymo right now the coax infrastructure it has
legs there is still room for that infrastructure to grow right but it is going to be dwarfed and already is dwarfed by fiber it just like Twisted Paar it's time is coming to an end it's just
not quite there yet right same thing with their phone company that technology uh there hasn't been any real advancements in DSL that's thech underlying technology for internet delivery across to twisted pair there hasn't been a real advancement in that
arena in almost 10 years it's done everything's going to fiber fiber and wireless so then that means really what it boils down to in the long term just trying to get my crystal ball out here
uh coax probably has 10 maybe 20 years of life left in that actual medum right fiber optics and crystal ball when does teleportation happen when can stop be me out
um I don't know but I'll probably be dirt there was a pretty interesting advertis during the Super Bowl yesterday um I think it was T-Mobile that guarantees reception because of
their satellite connections sure so T-Mobile has uh partnered up I'm I'm not familiar with the commercial so I'm gonna be speaking off the cop here um T-Mobile has partnered with starlink that's Elon Musk
right uh SpaceX all that good stuff um with their low orbit satellite system so yes I'm if that's what that commercial is talking about um as long as you go outside um yes you would be able to
possibly do that here's I am intimately familiar with wireless Technologies and its limitations boils down again to uh frequency right there's only so much space in Wireless and T-Mobile right now
if I had to just throw a and guess at who owns what the customer base is in your community today I would say 10% is probably sitting on your telephone company they're never going to change uh T-mobile probably has 20% because
Charter is losing customers to T-Mobile left and right just like Comcast who's the largest ISP in the entire country they are just peeling customers to team mostly because it's an option they have something else
right the problem is is that T-Mobile only has so much spectrum that they're allowed to use which being intimately familiar with that they're likely if not already at capacity very near capacity within their Community already right
there's only so much Spectrum available and they've they're using all of it already that they have so unless they buy another company to get more Spectrum or the FC C starts allocating more Spectrum but again it's a limited resource
technology yes it will help alleviate that but they're probably already have the customer base that they're going to get the rest is probably sitting with Charter that's who that's who you're going to get your customers from because
if they already have T-Mobile they're probably not going to move because you won't be able to be competitive it's just the reality of it you can definitely compete with uh even if it's just the fact that
it's not Charter right I and this comes from me being a customer of Charter right so I can speak from personal experience so um and I assume that's the reason why we're actually here today right is your curve providers aren't
able to meet your community's needs so you're coming and you're stepping up to the like to make that happen uh any other questions for me so in your opinion as somebody who would have a bested interest in this why
will this work when others hav well so you get to you got a trump card that no ISP gets to have you're the city that's that's your number one tront card right you have an easy way to
communicate to your customer base be it in Bill stuffers in whatever my third most largest expense in my company is marketing right first is
employees second is infrastructure investment third is marketing right you basically already have a third of the cost it takes to run an ISP taken care of Bill stuffer right um so you take that out of
the equation that's that's one of the major reasons why this can succeed right uh why else can it succeed because there's demand your community is looking for it right I think an open access network is
an interesting idea that's why we're here right um I'm actually already on another Open Access Network um just east of here um I can't say who ndas and all that kind of stuff but that's been a
very mutually beneficial agreement that infrastructure owner uh gets more people using their pipes they make more money pays more bills they build more Network and we get to utilize that
infrastructure make our customers happy and the the biggest thing that Broadband does is we're not big enough for our customers to be a number right and people tend to appreciate that right if I if I was
going to choose the only reason to choose Broadband over any other company it's our support which is easy to find out all you got to do is a little bit of Google search and look at some reviews and that's everybody's just support support support support right
that's what you can bring to the table to your community also right you're not going to get that with a big company I don't care who the big company is it's Comcast Charter Lumen sent link windream they're too big their customers are numbers they you can't they can't not be
numbers it just falls apart when you get that pay your community is your community you're going to be able to support your community right and with the agreements that we've uh been negotiating there's components within there that allows you
as the city gives you is the city the control or the Broadband committee uh to have repercussions if we're not supporting your community if we're not being reliable if we're not meeting timelines so you have that control
versus now you're at the whim of whatever company decides to you know invest infrastructure in your community so that's why I thank you thank you anybody else Justin yeah I just
found it's more of a comment than a question obviously but um I don't look at it is we're not competing with anyone we're not competing with Charter um I think what we're doing is we're building infrastructure you know from that very
first slide KY was taking us through infrastructure projects that's what cities do cities don't want to get in the internet business um lommer doesn't want to in the internet business or at least I don't um but we're building infrastructure not all that different than when we goild the street this is an
airport when you get to the airport you don't fly City of Minneapolis right you fly Delta or you fly Southwest they operate on the city's airport just like we're going to have isps operating on our Network um I look forward to Charter
leasing space on our Network and and competing with you um I don't I don't look at us as competing with the charer or with anyone I guess uh from that standpoint uh um more and more people cut their
cable uh because everybody's getting their their services through their internet provider provider does that open up more Spectrum for those coxal companies to lower their prices or offer
better deals in the future well part of uh so I got to be careful I don't get too technical right um the simple answer is yes um the re the real answer is they did that I I
would assume they have I I'm not intimately familiar with the infrastructure in walart right um but the cable companies have already started moving away from broadcasting their signal across it's all Network stuff now you might still
have some Legacy stuff you know here there or wherever right but that's that's the way of the future because it's just more efficient and easier to integrate with newer Technologies so you know you know Comcast Charter everybody
has the app now right so that's that's how you get your TV right and their set tap boxes are basically just running that app in the background and putting a you know a pretty menu on it I guess to follow up with that if those
revenues start to decline so much will they need to offset those revenues by raising their internet prices yeah so um what's kind of funny is Comcast actually again the biggest ISP in the country um
they said and they're just getting walloped right now they're peeling about 150,000 customers every 3 months um and the best majority of that is going to fiber optic overb builds and
T-Mobile and uh uh the thing is is that how they expect to survive this is they want to become cellular company right that's their goal right um so yeah they're trying to supplement their income with new revenue streams be that
television is a money money loser it the city should not even consider going anywhere near that um don't uh you know YouTube's get to eat to much um but uh you know so they're
they're looking for other ways to generate Revenue other services they can offer now is you know is AI going to be the next big blah blah blah who knows you know it I remember when Amazon used to sell
books you know um you know so who know who knows what that next thing is right but the fiber don't care this infrastructure doesn't care it just we just know that it's going to go across the internet right if it's AI if it's whatever the next whizbang thing is
right it's going to be communication based that answer your question yes that your question y thank so your company Broadband is Just Wireless now no we also own our own
uh fiber to the home network uh you might recall uh we're going to be paying that note off this year so okay but do you rent space on a fiber we also have a wholesale agreement on a larger fiber optic deployment that covers a couple
different counties here in Minnesota you ever been late on making a payment no no okay I was just wondering what would happen if you did they shut you off then or yeah so let's see if I don't pay my bills they usually shut
stuff off right you know same if I don't pay my electric bill they're going to shut it off right customers would be upset yes yes now okay so here I think I think it's important this is this is a you're touching on a very important
piece and concern that you need to have here um so and and I don't go ahead and cut me off I can I can literally I will eat up hours of your life right if you let me
okay but the city you're you're in this situation where you're going to have a few customers but your real customers are your constituents right it's the city of wmer right and you're being you've been
given the authority to help make this community as strong as it possibly can be by going with an Open Access system you're allowing for Broadband myself Silverlight Charter whoever it telephone companies whatever they can all come in and they can access that infrastructure
so if I stop paying my bills you have the ability to shut me off now what I would I would caution against what what does that really look like right well what it looks like is um you know okay we're going to have conversations hey
when are you going to pay this bill yada yada yada right obviously no no body wants that to happen but let's just whatever we're going to look at a worst case scenario okay well we're going to have to shut you off right well as a city the real risk here is that okay we
have another ISP we're going to negotiate with them I can almost guarantee you no ISB is going to say no I don't want to touch all those customers right that's not going to be your problem your problem's going to be communicating with the end user and getting the end user to be able to
communicate with the new ISP right now I can give you one uh little glimmer of hope here sure there's been projects and networks and things that have failed in the past I'm not aware of anyone that has any significant size and when I say
significant I mean like a thousand customers that's actually gone dark right I don't care if you're talking about you know the hoo-ha that's going on with RS fiber I don't care if you're you know what if it's a any size
of all somebody wants that Revenue right so the city really is not the the worst case scenario is the city might lose a few months of Revenue because that company folds and
gets bought up by whoever right it's once those customers are on the network they're they're unlikely go very far I will tell you that the only time I ever lose a Fiber Optic customer is when they
move other questions I can tell you though on the other side of that coin my wireless network last year I lost about half of my customers because I operate in Caro County with the carber link Network I lost about half of my customers to Carver
link yeah no that that was no fun still pay my bills though well thank [Music] you great uh mayor and councel uh next I'd like to introduce Silverlight all right we got the
direction right um hey welcome uh everyone appreciate the time and the opportunity Mr mayor council the officials all visitors guests everyone I'm finally put in faces with everyone's names so I'm a little bit distant I come over from kind of the Wyoming Idaho region is where we dominate and I'll get
into that a little bit uh just to introduce everything um so yeah first off just a pleasure to be with you tonight um what's your name yeah perfect Jason Jenkins um I'm the current vice president of Silverlight fiber Network
as far as all of our Open Access division of our our cor company um so I'll introduce both of that um so Silverlight was formed to do everything we've talked about tonight um
we we openly engage in in Open Access Consulting um the same as Hometown does we do build design engineering customer engagement um you know along with some of the designs that Bolton and mink provided tonight um however that's not
why I'm here that's already done which I commend you you know as a city as a council is all these resources that have come together so far man I commend you for your vision your thought you know leadership to really pull this together
it's Unique um industry is changing right and I wanted I just was taking notes right to fill in kind of the black and white between this because I i' push you all a little bit engage you a little bit farther we're talking about infrastructure right and fiber it's a
clear winner absolutely hands down um I put it up against anything and so the reason I say that is because my background is a highly technical field I I've 26 years in the industry i' I've worked for Comcast I've worked for
Charter worked for AT&T and I gave up all that corporate more of the numbers just like Anthony was talking about not only are customers numbers employees are numbers too so I got tired of that got tired of big Corporate America I worked in the Salt Lake Market and I just said no I'm done
with that went to work for SilverStar Communications um as a regional incumbent and competitive exchange carrier and also we've done everything from Wireless a pointto point Wireless of different varieties we've had our own cellular company we've done TV Broadband
fiber to the home all these good things so we'll get into that but I just yeah that that's kind of the background I come from and now clearly going forward which like I said I'm commending you for your vision to get that infrastructure in the ground clearly the thing you're doing is you're you're eliminating the
barrier to entry right for fiber Network that's what you're doing in in a very simple way you're just making it easy for people to participate at that layer but the reason I would push you engage you a little farther we've talked about an Open Access fiber Network that is
primarily for the purposes of Internet that's really all we've talked about tonight right it can do so much more with that infrastructure in place you can now tap into anything anything that may be next right Beyond internet internet's amazing because it's a bunch
of web driven Services applications and everything we consume data and we interact with with everything that we need in our life but think about all the other uh emergency critical Services think about tella Health think about
whatever may be the next of AI personalist assistance augmented reality while a lot of those still will be dominant on the internet anything that ultimately could become a service in and of itself that requires a network and an
endpoint device or something in homes could all be delivered on an Open Access Network as it is proposed so far no changes would be needed so there's so much more that you can do so I said um we also petition at
a network operator we Aggregate isps and we are also a participating ISP so I wanted to jump into a few of our projects we're we're doing this now uh yes I evolved from a highly regulated Telco environment I'm your DSL guy I'm
your copper guy I'm your C we We've ran cable networks we've dissolved them we've overbuilt fiber we've done all that and so now um we're positioning for that change you may have heard of number of companies over time that failed to
adapt and they've been eliminated right I was just reading reminding myself with the story of like Kodak you all know right back I think the numbers are back in 1997 they had 160,000 employees they held more than 75
to 80% of all the you know photographic needs of the entire Global Market and in a relatively short period of time 2012 they filed for bankruptcy because they couldn't adapt to the digital camera environment the evolution of the cell phone and everything else it just
couldn't change fast enough so I'm here to say that I can see that I see the lid just cracking off this can we showed the maps about where Open Access is now I think the lid's just about ready to blow wide open I just getting opportunities almost every single day of people that
are exploring this interested so what's happening now let me give you some proof and hopefully you can find this as some Assurance on what's going on for what I see as successful projects um feel free to use me as a resource like I'm here as
a resource to you in the town being here to to physically be present to help you work through this you know work session questions lots of technical background I can speak about any of the delivery mechanisms the pros and cons and all that if we want to get there so we
currently are overbuilding a city in Rex B Idaho that's uh University Town I think it scales up to 45,000 with with school in session it's about 20,000 on a normal day when when the school's out so BYU Idaho is there
anyhow uh multi-year engagement with them they spent some arpa funds to build a core Network infrastructure they own that we've entered into an iru which is a long-term fiber lease agreement to build our own infrastructure off that
private owned to every residents in in the town they felt they they had a business Corridor they felt like it was already pretty well served by multiple carriers they did not include that in their build they felt like it would just be redundant just they were was building
the same thing again so they excluded that um so then we we will we'll finish the construction of that by the end of this year has some unique construction constraints and challenges to work through and just FYI any project will have it things you'll have your
surprises and you'll have to work through them um uh Jackson H whing probably have heard of that just south the yone national park uh both a combination of city and also County uh locations a lot of private HOAs
subdivisions developments we're working with all of them selling them on the Open Access environment we have at least five active projects going on in that town and then um and that's that one was completely privately owned by us so I'm actually giving you example of three
different ones um we funded all that we kind of have our payback period and we're in the same position as you like okay we spend millions of dollars how do we get the take rates how do we get the construction done how do we bring isps and be competitive and then you know how
does this whole thing pay for itself so we're sorting all that out as well but so far I'm happy to report on time on actually ahead of time on budget and things are coming together so the third and final example is actually part of a developer agreement so not a city
municipality as a public private partnership this was a master planned development just outside of boisey Idaho uh it's uh the total number of units between three and 4,000 units I think multizoned for different densities
anyhow typical developer who got to know them um they went into a joint ch trench agreement which is what happens with every development right anybody can come put their stuff in there and this is actually one of my pet peeves right in kind of um Treasure Valley which is boyc
meridian and all the surrounding areas super high growth they they have a joint trench agreement that the power company facilitates for them and they're literally building the same network up to seven times right on top of each other it's literally the same fiber
Network five or more times right stacked on top of each other that's my worst pet peeve in this whole thing like why you know how much more we could build or how many more people we could reach if you didn't if you just went with an Open Access model right it's the same same
stuff in the ground anyhow the key Point takeaway there we found is once we went joint trench and announced ourselves as an Open Access Network we were already bringing multiple isps with a single Network we found that everybody else actually dropped out they said we're no
longer interested so in that development as it sits right now uh actively being constructed we're this single exclusive provider as an Open Access Network so you can see the influence that that makes and I'm sure you'll have you know
as the city continues to grow as you Annex in more areas you develop more space more people more growth more jobs all the goodies you'll be fronted with these additional expansion developer things and kind of sorting that out as well so just giving you a little bit of future look there um I'm also a
participating ISP a couple of example this is a city-owned network I fold you can look them up they built all of their own fiber infrastructure they did a phase one um test pilot and then you know got Council approval they built
phase one they came back and analyzed where they were at they liked their numbers their takeways weren't quite as high as they had hoped but they still met the minimum threshold they were still meeting their debt allegation so they decided to proceed with the rest of it uh they reached the rest of all their
residential this last year so I'm one of the participants on that Network um and uh yeah our sales team very aggressive um so I think we're probably the the 35% take rate is an ISP which is the highest
on that Network and also the neighboring one we've been participating there it's a neighboring Town also Open Access um so two active working cases to participate just in that space like said we kind of do it all but you know if I'm just going to do one or a couple
whatever just to really build the model uh let's see this is some of that Assurance back could talk to some things that were being mentioned earlier uh in these active uh Open Access networks I am seeing this is this is another word
of advice this is a joint venture between um you know isps and the city municipality whatever to really do a lot of public engagement right leveraging social media doing everything you can because you you've got to do a few
things you there was a question earlier I wrote it down why will this work when others haven't right A lot of it has to do with upfront I believe you've got to educate them on the value of fiber like why fiber because that's what they're going to be asking why is this important to me why should I be doing something
with this uh we've done a few Evolutions in our society and i' love to use the HD example right like all of a sudden we have HD TVs and HD pickups and HD you know high quality high definition heavy
duty but it's all HD right but all of us had to come to terms over time like why was that important to us why do we need an HD TV over something else like why why should I have that and now we wouldn't have anything different right it's this it's the defacto standard and
fivr can become the same thing as it relates to networks and internet um as far as the way it's delivered um so anyhow we we're seeing active builds 30 to 40% take rates which I think is well within the proposed model that's the targets they were
trying to hit we're seeing that uh plus or minus in individual developments based on those engagements neighbor talking to neighbor resolving you know questions and different things you'll see higher or lower take rates and different developments or different areas of town and then we've seen you
know as high as another 15% over time uh as far as a growth model going into the outlying years when people finally what I would say they get the message they're like oh yeah that's that's why it's important that's why I need to do this and yeah come sign me
up [Applause] um so I mentioned briefly I I do the kind of silver light which is the brand I really want you to get you know your head wrapped around as far as what we do uh but it is supported by uh a parrot
company called SilverStar um so they've been in operation since 1912 it's a familyowned private ownership uh I said done a little bit of everything we've been putting fiber in the ground since 1990 some of the very first fiber networks
that were ever developed um and I'll get into a little bit of the evolution there was a request about talking about kind of the wi fiber it's a little bit of the technical details the things you would be talking about with your friends and neighbors um we've done a lot of builds
a lot of fiber we've actually done a large um some multi- partner engagements for some Long Haul fiber to go across the state of Wyoming we had some federal btop grants that we took fiber up and over uh some Teton Pass togy pass which
is in and around the Grand Teton Mountains and if you can imagine the federal permitting behind that people that do permitting you will know that is not easy um so anyhow lots of uh experience hopefully it's some assurance that we
bring expertise to these type of projects um SilverStar is positioned uh you know heavy in the Inner Mountain West in the Idaho Wyoming properties but we do have National connectivity that we leverage for that customer experience we
believe that internet is not created equal that your what do I mean by that is your subscription to whatever internet provider may actually provide you with a very drastically different experience and so you know without getting into a lot of details um it has
to do with the ability to route your requests to the appropriate applications and where those exist and the closer I can get the content you're requesting to the network that's serving you you will have a better experience our brains have been programmed largely around internet
speeds from say 10 megabits to 50 to 100 now we're gigabit gigabit became the gold standard oh got to have gigabit internet which it is it's a good experience however you could actually have a fiber network with the gigabit service subscription and actually have a
poor customer experience like how is that possible well you're having to jump through so many hops between where you're at and where the content is you're requesting that your experience is very latent right and that's literally the latency latency is equally
important bandwidth right so package those together they're both important so anyhow what does that mean we've always had Minneapolis on our sites um I said we're we're not a large company we're not we're not the Comcast whatever that's the people I left
because I hate I didn't like that experience but we're trying to have a national presence so you know I would be petitioning to uh to kind of do a layered Network here which is kind of get into the next slide that would leverage the resources that are the
closest to Wilmer right things where's the most dominant location for internet routing and the content that you want to get well it's in Minneapolis and Chicago are the two closest places to give you the best internet experience so of
course that kind of Falls all on the isps to handle that and their ability to connect with other peers and routes and circuits in order to fulfill that but that's what we need to do we need to have redundant you know carrier diversity diverse path into Wilmer to be
able to give you the most redundant experience because that's what people don't like is when the internet doesn't work that's a sad day um so yeah I have relationships with all the people that serve up content I have servers for Netflix that sit you
know right on the network and this kind of bridges to the ISP side I'm going to kind of divide this in half and I I want to make sure this part was clear in fact it's probably even more for the benefit of having personal presence here is the fact that I'm going to propose something
new that I don't think the city has considered in the uh what's been you know outlaid so far I believe there's a position for a network operator or a network manager this term is getting sorted out in the industry because it's
it's all new anyhow just like the city has came in uh to place a fiber optic Network to provide infrastructure you're taking away that barrier of Entry you're providing the capex that's required to do that I'm
proposing to essentially do the same on the network layer right so there will still be a bunch of isps and we can sort all that out and they'll C you know everybody in every resident will have their ability to choose but I would be standing in a position to
provide all of the network Hardware required to deliver from the knock building to every home business MDU whatever which would be both equipment there in the knock and a simple device that sits out at the customer premise
that would be all placed and managed by a network operator and then I would also aggregate all of the isps um so I I as my own company we we have to operate in two different spaces once you're a network operator
you have to be totally unbiased impartial all of those words to be able to provide equal opportunity to every interested ISP and then at the same time I I have an ISP that can participate and we have
to sometimes front those questions directly like how can you do that how can you operate the network but yet have a participating is P well it's separation of Duties and everything that happens with applicable staff that
anytime I make notice you know to isps it all happens at the same time different people are doing different jobs so it's not really an Insider type of deal and I'll even commit to having a ceiling as far as take rate right that
my is if I brought in my ISP to participate I would even put a ceiling on that that would allow others to participate uniformly right and not have some competitive Advantage so anyhow I what what I see as benefits from this
in me doing this and there's a financial model there there's a certain amount of Revenue that I would be uh well back up so the isps would really own the engagement they the the customers would be theirs right it's their customers they sell a certain internet
subscription they collect the money for that and then we've got to work out in the back end so certain money would flow back to Silver light we would have a certain Revenue that meets our business model and takes care of the network layer and then a certain amount that is a committed within the operator
agreement uh would come back to the city to meet their obligations we were talking a little bit about those costs per user earlier so what I think comes from this is the fact that not everybody needs to populate their equipment not everybody
needs to run their fiber cross connects so all the ads moves and changes oh this customer is connected this person we've got to change a physical cross connect um we're going to change them to here change them to that and we've got to audit this every month to know what our back billing is right so I I add a
logical layer I take care of all the network all the physical elements all taken care of then everything moves up to a logical layer which is a front-end Marketplace it's a website that customers can go on get educated about their you know fiber the connect Wilmer
initiative they can get educated there they can see participating isps they can see packages pricing everything and I'm it's fine I'm happy to aggregate isps to bring them to Wilmer I'm happy to work with people that are locally that want to participate I think I'm doing the
same I think I'm eliminating CeX costs I think I'm eliminating that barrier of entry and if we're all not placing equipment I should be able to lower cost to the consumer uh to some degree so I think this provides uh this
proposal would provide you know a better experience to the end user they have a single place to see all of their options they don't have to go to you know do whatever they don't I can do um you know automated provisioning as soon as they
select something and the infrastructure is ready to go it'll be turned on immediately no physical work would have to be done after that initial install uh if they chose to change most of these go with no contracts so if mid-month or whatever they want to say hey this ISP
experience not working real well they can go back into the marketplace choose somebody else the system will automatically convert them to the other ISP and they they take off and go so nobody had to do anything um I think the last big point in this is it brings up a
lot of visibility that I think the city will be seeking uh based on the total number of active particip ipants and now me uh I I can bring a software layer with me that uh leverages that Marketplace
that we can actually deploy basically Wilmer as its own site and from day one we could start introducing that to potential residents uh to put in basically a survey we call it they're basically just completing a
survey that says hey yes if you build this I'm interested uh at what point we allow them to pick their ISP we could do that but you will instantly I'm happy to share this visibility based on our potential future engagements to know
exactly the people their specific addresses they've expressed interest they've selected an ISP they're within phase one whatever they all get eventually converted to orders that would work through the process of getting their Service drop installed
their service activated their equipment place we could know basically any customer at any time exactly which phase they're in and then you will also know exactly what your active take rate is real time like this is your take rate as of today with total homes pass the built
total people that have signed up percentage that have went to each of the ISP this is information that we will hold as that Network operator so um there's another Progressive flow here
that looks at the orders like I said it's it's a four-step process to gather that initial survey sign up choose your provider work through the drop construction then the provider activation we can tell exactly which like like said even down to the development they're in um which yeah
that's pretty small but I think probably in your handout as well in your packet if you want to really look at that um I didn't mention we have four um we have four isps right now on the networks that we operate um this
this is a controversial topic um I know of Open Access networks out there today that have upwards of 17 to 20 different options I think that's way too many um it just is it's too much for the human
to just really sort through and how does 20 different providers differentiate how how how do they stand out from their competition right and how do you even plan on getting a possible take rate depending on the scale of the network to even make the business model work you
know so I would say something more along the lines of maybe three four at the very most you know for Wilmer as far as population density take rates stuff so that people can actually look at it uh there's enough opportunity to compete there's enough opportunity to make
Revenue it makes sense for everybody because that's the end everyone's got a win here where people will just start cycling out so we're in a position of changing the network operator model as well we actually vet all of our participating is piece they do need to
meet a certain list of standards and if they can't do that then they kind of still on the waiting list and I have actually a a handful on my waiting list that have not been allowed to participate yet but uh then again I don't think the number is high we're actually holding out spot number five uh
we still pursuing conversations and several things to have more of a national provider brand uh like like I said um this Open Access Network um you know being built good have anybody spectrum is dominant here they are more
than willing to you know apply just like anybody else to leverage this fiber Network I totally believe that you know cable networks and the doxis technology that they use to get it to your home uh does have a certain amount of life and
that they are continually moving on get getting that fiber closer and closer to the home right so there's really not not a significant need to overbuild fiber once there's an open access fiber Network present right and and I do see
competition slowing that overbuild uh because of Open Access so anyhow couple of thoughts just these slides I'd love to jump into the questions that's what means the most to you just hey what what's important to me how do I make sense of this because I thre a lot
information at you um there was a specific you know thought request around around cable just because it's so dominant here like I said I I spent a lot of years I I worked with the largest cable operator in the country operated docis Network so uh how
do I size this up um there's there's an evolution right and vsl went through its Evolution doxis cable which is just an abbreviation um for how cable motives work uh basically went from an Evol
Evolution and we and we kicked some butt you know back in the day when cable first came out you know over the typical dialup days the very first cable modems competing with DSL it was was no competition right it was easy to get customers and we dominated for a lot of
years in the cable industry and then you know things evolved and I I love the space of everything uh they they pushed the limits on copper cable both coax and copper twisted pair they have squeaked every possible bit out of that system
right to get even more and I love the El evolution of Wireless you know it has its place Anthony was sharing some things I love the place where you know you get pointto Point Wireless uh you know the Spectrum challenges push pushing kind of that
density of modulation to put as many bits as you can um millimeter wave spectrum um high density 5G kind of the T-Mobile thing is getting into high density 5G and Beyond that's the the high density micro cell deployment those
will still require lots of fiber uplinks to make that work it just is the reality even though it's still a cellular Wireless plan will'll have a lot of fiber back haul to make that work so anyhow finishing up on cable if you find that a cable operator is stuck right
around that gigabit Service uh it's likely that they're up against some major upgrade um there's some significant upgrades that have to happen um from like dox's 30 to 31 and especially from
31 to 40 that Taps into your multi- gigabit uh with a higher Upstream I should say both are rated up to 10 gigs but of course um you know that's something that is to a specific modem but then you also have the design of how
the cable goes out in the neighborhood how many homes it serves um you have a lot of shared perspective there on bandwidth and you might notice that you know peak times from 7 to 10: p.m. that's when things will be the most
challenging um so anyhow for cable to tap into multi- gig speeds they got to do some major upgrades got to do a lot of Shifting with channels and Spectrum changing equipment changing you know equipment in their headend equipment in the homes a lot of things have to happen
they come at a big cost um oh and the other I think honestly full transparency here like I said I've R all of these networks I I support Anthony's comments too I I uh infinite or intimately aware of the the benefits
and the weaknesses on almost any of these and they each have their space they do so the last big thing is in cable World they'll call it an hfc or hybrid f coax Network which is a bunch of cable or Fiber out to a certain node
then it's all cable from there but the problem big problem is is it's a powered system it's a bunch of electric amplifiers that require power and so anything to do with electrical current and powering and and electronic modules
and all this stuff they fail a lot it's very tedious to keep this running now that said they're better than they've ever been in their whole life um and you can be the witness of that but there's still a lot of challenges in keeping a powered system up and that's one of the
biggest differences now going to fiber it's a completely passive system there's no power devices required to get from A to B we front the electronics we go through some Splitters we go out to a subset of homes we have you know
dedicated uh devices at the homes that talk on certain frequencies talked a little bit about that earlier too anyhow um and this allows a lot higher capacity to move to the home it's went through its long Evolution to this is
maybe a good image on the far left side fiber these are all acronyms fiber to the node fiber to the curb fiber to the building fiber to the home that's that's all that happen and when you hear these if you look them up on the Internet just means the fiber got closer and closer to
the end user that's all that happened and we did that over an evolution of time from uh Pawn as a passive passive Optical Network the first series of that was B paon gpon moved into gigabit range XG Pond xgs Pond 10 gig Pond 50 gig pond
so this is about back to the question of evolution over time how long are we going to get out of this well my proposal as a network operator and this is standard for us now is to deploy an xgs Pawn overlay which is a 10 gig upon
service now if you're the technician in me you would say okay I tested that right yeah I have I've tested down to the exact BD it's like 8.2 to 8.3 gigabits of throughput up and down so even though it's labeled 10 gig Pond 8.2
but who's you know worry about that the technicians are but still far superior it's also symmetrical bandwidth um a lot of other services you may subscribe to will dedicate more bandwidth to the Downstream then they do the Upstream
fiber now on the newest overlays some of the other one were asymmetrical it was offset everything new going forward with fiber networks Pond that the isps would be using are all symmetrical bandwidth
same up same down so and then right on its heels 50 gig Pon which could be up to 50 gigs of Internet service could be delivered to a single home is already in its works of deployment in some of the first metro markets today 2025 right so
that and then beyond that is already in development um so back before there is life in the physical fiber um if you still had fiber that was put in back in you know the 1980s you'll struggle with it a little bit uh it's
it's uh like the quality of glass and everything that was used in it can be pushed so far um the fiber that's being released over the last 10 or 12 years pretty consistent now I don't know the the trans the the optical transceivers
we talked about I don't know that they found a limit with what they can push uh basically you start pushing so many pulsating light that it starts reflecting back at you and that creates a noise problem but more technical stuff but anyhow lots of life in the current
fiber you'll be able to scale that up we're already doing 400 gigabit links all the time you know for main back hul stuff so those already work today on existing fiber there's transceivers for it and everything so this is just the variety to deliver it to the end user in
a passive system so anyhow stop there is the yeah next is kind of next steps very open to any questions I know we're actually getting close to the 2hour block that we had
specified but if I can be of any help to any questions I would be happy to I still have my first question that I asked earlier about um you work with other communities kind of you know the possibility of other communities in our
area wanting to to kind of extend our Network so the communities will be Service as well and what those agreements look like and I mean just from what you've seen what's the financial gain for the city of Wilmer for for a community jumping on our
Network um yeah so the first part would I guess be the design and build and some type of we call it joint powers or some other thing to be able to collectively bring that uh together uh if you wanted them to bring some Buy in you would
probably have the leverage able to pursue those municipal bonds and other things smaller cities may not even be in a position to do that or be willing to take that on you could leverage some of that for them you could probably scale some of the network operating agreements
or the consult based agreements could all kind of fit Under the Umbrella that you've already established so they're not having to go pursue all that themselves because that's I mean face it you know different County Commissioners or different Small Town Council they don't have the time to dedicate to that
they just way too much in their own personal lives and business or whatever so yeah I'm sure you could structure there's still going to be some interconnect um there's there's fiber that you know goes in and out of Wilmer there's probably other ways could pursue
the connectivity um but then the or between towns but then you would have to actually work out the arrangement to build the same fiber Network the same overlay in some of these smaller towns and get this all packaged up together I'd probably really honestly defer that
to kind of the Consulting base to work through that I there just all my ideas off the cuff but there there's definitely potential and then they could say because that's what's happening right with the ones I have so far they're like hey hey I heard about what you did over here I like that I want to do
that like an estimate on like what the cost per user would be you know like so again I'm just trying to get a sense of like if a if a community in Suburban Wilmer decides that they want to to tag along with this project we build that out but now they're using our knock and
and the Heart of their network is ours and we're going to get a dollar for every user or five dollar for like any sense of what you've seen in um well I mean you could structure the same agreement that you have with your people in town right um there when we start
pushing that out so make sure I qualify your question a little bit when you once you tapped into suburbs of wilburg like that's basically County people right is that basically expanding the network Beyond City Limits is that what you're pushing towards as compared to it could
be neighboring towns I guess I think probably more likely neighboring towns just from what we've seen the map so I've seen some of both uh our city of Rexburg project already entered into a joint agreement with the county to have access to fiber and start pushing that Network Open Access Network out into the
county and they worked out agreements between the county and the city to do that so they build for that going to happen down the road they're kind of wanted to see how things went in the city first but they've already entered into other agreements um price per user
uh I said I as long as it's connected to all the same infrastructure your cost model is the same right and we boiled that down to a con a connection cost per user that the city is positioned hey we need this much to to run the model me as a network operator I'd need a certain
amount to but I I think the exact same pricing that they're going to be fronted with in the marketplace to choose an ISB to cover all that I think it's going to be identical so the city would be seeing the same Revenue Returns on those minus whatever you might reach for in
agreement with a neighboring City hopefully I'm capturing what you and should be here yeah I mean I think so and at the same time I'm not sure that we'd want to be the I don't know if it's going to I don't I'm good for not speculate all
we're thinking big here yeah yeah anything else thank you you're sure welcome I'm okay no it's okay right Mr may members of the council um we did have um I'll pause if there are
any questions um from the council I know we did get some Council or some questions from council member Gardner too that I had forwarded uh to the council prior to the meeting um I've been taking some notes I I think we tried to address or I think some of
these questions have been addressed but I would like to highlight uh some questions from that were forwarded to us earlier today um one of the questions was that it was noted uh previous engagement events that
uh five F had uh fiber had added value fiber connections had added home sorry over um fiber connections have shown that they in can provide an increase to property value question is does this
mean the county assessor automatically increase the taxable value of any home or business that chooses that fiber internet under the proposed plan the question goes on if so it seems like the back door tax increase I'd like to address the question in a couple of
different parts so in Minnesota taxable value of a property is based on its assessed market value which considers factors like a number of factors but could be recent sales of near nearby properties the sale of surrounding properties can affect the taxable value
of a property by providing comparables that may cause the assessor to increase or decrease the property's value um but really the property the process for assessing a property is dynamic and depends on both local market conditions and specific specific property
characteristics so you have an asset on your property that is valued more your your home value would be increased so there is an opportunity or there have been examples that we've shared in recent presentations the one that comes to mind is Chattanooga Tennessee with
their fiber build uh they did uh receive up to estimated about a 5% property uh value increase um it's not necessar I wouldn't call it a a backd door tax increase but a realization if you have
an asset to your property your home could be considered to be valued at a higher cost or higher value um Council please if if there's any questions that I'm missing I believe a lot of them
were addressed me uh one question too that was brought up uh council member sches talked about this a little bit of why is why is this project going to be a success when others have failed um two of the examples that were pre asked
about um where was the city of monacello and Lake County if the council recalls back in March of 2024 at the work session the letter this letter was submitted to the council in March of 2024 but it was provided at a work
session and this was from the now retired City administrator from monacello um refuting a lot of the claims uh that that project was a failure um again did a little bit more research uh from the Blandon foundation
on an article that was written about the city of monello and their fiber Network and how it how the how how it was a success the project go through some struggles yes but ultimately is is serving the community
uh is profitable um and has been estimated to save I believe this article was written in 2019 so this was after all these changes have been made on the network has saved the city residents approximately $2 million a year in telecommunications cost since it's been
in operation um I can provide this letter from the retired City administrator uh Jeff O'Neal from the city of monacello um but it was included in the council packet back in uh early 2024 the Lake County example is another
interesting one um but I might have to ask Kyle to help me out on this one if that's all right um but the Lake County fiber project um a different Beast Al together uh this some of the the key pressure points on this project had to
do with give you some uh poor financial planning overestimation overestimating the market demand and really the lack of a sustainable Revenue model um and really despite the ambitious goals of providing that high-speed intern interet
over such a rural area part of the state Northeast part of the state um the project was not ultimately able to attract enough customers to cover its operating costs but you we kind of briefly touched on it is there anything more that we should add about that
specific project ditto okay sorry so so I think that the what we're trying what I'm trying to convey with that specifically is that there are just as many success stories as there are failures uh the opportunity that we've had uh by taking our time and doing our
due diligence with this project is that we have had an opportunity to look at both those successes and failures and and give a project to the city of Wilmer to the city council on uh and scrutinizing what works and what doesn't work um this isn't a a sales pitch or a
should be viewed as a no risk right I mean there's always going to be risk if I could gu there's not a ability for us to guarant that this is going to work 100% but I think the work that you st tonight council members May and Council um is a
testament to the due diligence that the Broadband committee has done our Consultants with Hometown fiber with Bolton m city staff um and you as as council members having these meetings and uh enabling us to keep moving forward um I hope that that work shows
and I hope it um instills confidence to the council to make it a decision um which whichever way you you elect to move in the future um lastly there was a a question about
long-term Financial projections um those are included in front of you and we did make public copies as well so these are these documents that are available for the public as well what that shows is uh 40%
% take rate again this is a it's just on paper so it's static it's not moving but there's an Excel sheet that allows um to make some adjustments but what it allows us to do a set of desired take rate on on that 40% or higher or lower allows us
to in include phases one two and three and really shows or gives you an idea of instruction costs or all the expenses that go into it the lease payments subscriber user Fe and Lease income that would be a part of the network and and
gives the council an idea of the tax impact that would have at x amount of years um with each phase put in and there's an opportunity here to or there always the opportunity to go more in
depth on it at another meeting but we wanted to one of the comments that Kyle and I Morhead were having today was the level of inform how much information um either through what was the through a fire hose or through a garden hose and there isn't really a happy medium so
we're trying to balance it the best we can to not give information overload um but fly respect and understand the need to for the council and the community to see this in full transparency uh so this will be again as provided tonight um in copies and will
be uploaded to the council packet after this meeting tomorrow um what's the difference between the three pages on the hand uh great question so each page indicates a fa addition of each phase so if you look uh in this
part of the document right here where it says phase one phase two phase three each page adds another phase any other questions so do you know anything about the litigation that's going on now with the the gr
fiber five or something yes Bron win Arlington Green ale I know winr they were just in court and they have to pay 95,000 a year until the year 2037 the other communities are still
figuring it out with the court system so that's a great question Council Figley I'm not up to date on current litigation of that fiber with that project is yes fiber G it's RS fiber RS
fiber y right they're right in the middle of my network so I'm I'm real familiar with that project your fault uh not I'm not going to take all the blame but you know if they built a
better Network you at the end yeah I I'll I'll finish with this Council U for the just to again for for full transparency earlier today uh West Central Tribune posted an article um that on the city
receiving a letter a proposal from Charter um to have a a potential project in the industrial park City staff mayor reee council member OS U do intend to meet with Charter this week um and we'll bring
those we'll bring a report or something back to the city council to make again the full Council aware of of the conversation and just wanted to keep you up to date essentially just to make the council aw anything else I have nothing else
mayor any other questions my question was going to be about the letter that was received from Charter and I didn't see the West Central tribunes did they post a letter in there or um you have any other comments about the information that was in the letter or do you wish to wait
till after you've met with them um I I don't I've read through the article very quickly it sounded uh looked like it was Tribune received a copy of the letter um tribun received a copy of the letter um I would uh this time wish to hold any
more comments until we actually sit down and meet with Charter okay all right let end work s Mo to