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meeting. >> Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner Meyer, second by Commissioner Vegley to approve the meeting minutes for March 24th. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> Oppos? Nay. Approved. Uh chairperson's report. Um nothing on a um the shack

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will have a meeting I think later this month. Um, one thing we uh I sit on a um a subcommittee that does prevention uh a small amount of prevention work from a um federal grant. And I said the hot

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topic right now of course is with all the soccer uh FIFA and Ebola and the news that you know these people are um being allowed to come into I think very specific airports for further screening if they're coming from certain parts of the world and such. So I said what

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should we be telling motans and such any precautions or any any extra things they should because it is a worldwide and it's a very nasty um uh you know disease and they didn't have any answers for me yet but the state people they thought

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yeah they could maybe work on something to to um give people a little heads up what's going on um and locally tick season. Everybody check themselves for ticks. That's a nasty

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little thing going on. And and other than that, I Anybody aware of any health things going on? >> I saw the check sent us a letter that they're now admitting tribal leaders um to check, which I think. >> Yep. Yep. That's true. Okay. Um we have

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no consent business. General business 5.1 approved resolution naming agents of community health board and Jill is with us but it's appointing what both Jill and um Ross is that the one that goes

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>> no >> or is that the next one? >> Nope. This I think Jill has to get uh approved. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. Okay. So you you're fully qualified now. you passed all the tests and all the I know there's certain

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things that you got to you know you got to have it's not just a >> yeah they they >> okay >> I hope to approve both 5.1 and 5.2 >> I'll second that >> okay we have a motion to approve let's see let me refresh what 5.2 too. Is that

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page 20? Um, sorry. >> Page nine. >> Also, I have a paper copy which I'd be happy to pass over to you. >> Just a sec. Um,

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okay. That's >> They're both related. >> Okay. >> Correct. One is to appoint Jill and Ross and then one is to approve. >> Yeah. Yeah. I remember the resolution naming agents of the community health

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board and to approve the resolution appointing Jill Chaffy as community health services administrator. >> Right. Okay. All right. Any further discussion? >> All those in favor say I. I. >> Oppos? Nay. Approved. All right. You're our official Chill Chaffy is our official community services public

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health. Good. Thank you. I'll move to approve the uh public health board meeting. >> I mean >> adjourn. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We have a motion to adjurnn. >> We have a second.

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>> Oh, second by Commissioner Olsson. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> Nay. Approved. All right. We are adjourned. >> Do we have what's the Wi-Fi? What are we >> Sam? Did you see Sam? >> We begin our meetings with public

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comment. And so if there are folks in the audience today who would like to share some thoughts with us, please step to the podium, tell us your name and address. Um, and do please try to limit your comments to two minutes. We have a final.

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>> Uh, good morning county board. My name is Amber Pashi. I live in Lewon, Minnesota. I'm a parent, former elementary school librarian, and current school board member and social worker. I've had a lot of different roles in my life, but honestly, none of them would have them none of them would have been

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possible without me first being a library kid. The library is where my Pakistani mother practiced English. It's one of the few places that we could go every day that was free, safe, and welcoming. We didn't have to buy anything to belong there. We could just walk in, and that matters, and it still

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matters. Now I'm raising my own children and me. We we make weekly trips to the Winona Public Library and St. Charles Public Library. I see firsthand how libraries continue to serve families beyond books. They provide internet access, early literacy support,

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educational programming, community connection, and simply a safe place for people to exist without expectation. As a former elementary school librarian here at Bluffy Monastery, I saw every day that libraries are so much more than places to check out books. their community spaces, places where kids can

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gather to share stories, learn from each other, be creative, and simply connect. In a time where so much of childhood happens through screens, those spaces for genuine human connection matter more than ever. But I also understand as a school board member the importance of

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fiscal responsibility. Last night, our own school board discussed the reality of our state library aid being cut in half. So, I understand the pressures you're on. budgets require difficult decisions, but I also think it's important to recognize that funding libraries is also preventative work. Um,

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it's crime prevention, it's child abuse and neglect prevention, it's educational support, it's community mental health support. In my work as a social worker, most of what we do is reactive. By the time systems like mine are involved, families are already in crisis. Children are struggling. Parents are overwhelmed,

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communities are trying to respond to harm after it's already happened. If you truly want Winona County to thrive long term, we have to continue investing in preventative community spaces and programs before families ever reach that point. And libraries are one of those

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spaces. Um, when funding gets reduced, the impact is not equal. Families with means will still have books at home, reliable internet, tutoring, and enrichment opportunities, and families without those resources lose one of the truly last accessible public spaces they have.

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Libraries quietly hold communities together in ways that are hard to measure on a spreadsheet, but it's really easy to see in real life. Um, they certainly help shape mine. I hope we continue treating libraries like the essential public service they are. Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you. Y >> is there anyone else here in the audience that would like to share some thoughts with us? I see the timer wasn't going. >> Yeah, I'm working with >> uh Okay. Otherwise, I can just turn my timer on. >> Good morning. My name is Good morning.

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My name is Paty Gavin. I'm a citizen u member here in Winona. I'm a volunteer at the public library. I see how well it is used. There is nothing really that I can add beyond this great summary that the previous speaker just just had. She

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gave many many good points. This library is well used. It's needed by the community. It's needed by all ages and all ranks in life. It's wellused and it's well represented in our town. We

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need to figure out a way that we can continue its services so that it can stay here the way it is. Thank you for listening. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is there anybody online that wants to participate in public comment?

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>> I'm assuming that today you're able to unmute yourself. You sometimes have trouble with that, but I'll ask two more times. Is there anyone here in the room or online that would like to participate in public comment today? And one final time, is there anyone here

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in the audience or participating online that would like to speak at public comment? Hearing none, I'm closing the public comment period. I I did want to announce for the folks who are here, we are not discussing library funding today. um

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having a our next budget working session on June the June 23rd meeting is apparently tenative not for sure. We will be discussing the budget again though in July and we do not have to set our preliminary levy until end of August.

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>> So my guess is we won't be setting it until then. Um a lot of things I think will be more clear to us in terms of our overall funding situation by now. But thank you for coming. Uh, next order of business. We have some minutes that need approval.

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>> Uh, I'll move to approve 4.1, the county board meeting from May 26th. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Commissioner Ward has moved. Commissioner Vegley has seconded approval of the county board minutes from May 26, 2026. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in

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favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Anyone in oppose say nay. Motion carries. >> I'll move sorry I'll move to approve um item 5.1 health and human services advisory committee meeting from May 19th. >> I'll second that. Okay. Commissioner

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Vley's moved and Commissioner Meyer has seconded approval of the Health and Human Services Advisory Committee meeting from May. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. If anyone's opposed, please say nay. Motion carries.

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Um, do we have any adjustments to the agenda? County Attorney's Office. >> Commissioner Begley. >> Two quick comments at the end, please. >> Commissioner Elsing, >> comments at the end. >> Oh, and I'd like to pull 77. Uh, Miss

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Chad's here. I got some questions. >> Okay. 7.7 is being pulled. We'll move that to general business and make it 8.0. Okay. >> Uh, Commissioner Olsen has nothing. Commissioner Ward, >> um, I would like a brief discussion on

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7.2. So, I'd like to pull back the general. >> Okay. So, 7.2 that meet. 01 >> and then uh just an update um at the end, please. >> Okay. And I am going to share some

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information about the spongy moth treatments. Uh does administration have anything though? >> Nope. >> Okay. So we have some slight adjustments to our agenda. Is there a motion to approve it as it was amended? >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Commissioner Olsson has moved.

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Commissioner Aling has seconded. Approval of the amenda as it was agended. Is there any further discussion? >> What did I say? >> That was a twist of words there. The amenda as agenda. >> The agenda as amended. Thank you. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in

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favor, please signify by saying I. I. Anyone's opposed say nay. >> A. Agenda is approved. Uh Son, will you please read the uh consent business one? >> For the record. >> Item 7.1, approve resolution appointing

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Jill Chaffy as community services administrator. 7.2 was pulled. 7.3 approve resolution of Minnesota Trail Assistance Program. 7.4 4 award bid for aggregate shouldering to Dun Blacktop

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Company. Item 7.5 accept certificate of performance and authorize final payment for CASA 16 and 20 resurfacing. 7.6 award bid for 2026 pavement markings to sir lines a lot LLC. Item 77 was

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moved. Item 7.8 8 approved 2024 emergency management performance grant and item 7.9 confirm payment of dispersements. >> I'll move to approve the consent items. >> Second.

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>> Commissioner Vegley's move commissioner has seconded approval of the consent business as it was read. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor please signify by saying I. I. >> If anyone's opposed, please say nay. Consent business is approved. So we're

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going to move on to item 8.0, which used to be 7.7. Approve statement of work from H Heartland Business Systems for Household Hazardous Waste Camera Project. >> Put you under the gun, Chad. >> Hey, that's all right.

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>> So just I'm reviewing this, Chad, and keep in mind I own a fair amount of properties and have a lot of camera systems and >> Yes, sir. Um, I'm just I've seen these before because I've contacted different companies to put things in and there's a

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lot of fees and contracts and like, you know, you look online and you say professional versus something you can maybe buy, you know, on an Amazon system or something. >> Yep. But I was just doing the math and trying to figure out are we kind of I feel like we're kind of getting hosed on

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this situation and you know in the future are we really paying $5,000 a camera to have a camera and you know that's the situation here is we've got eight cameras with a $4ome,000 bill so we're paying $5,000 per camera and I'm just

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trying to figure out >> the justification behind that from this company and I I I got a series of questions with this and again none of this is to undermine you. I just would like to understand this a little better. There's a lot of contracts and fees and

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you know 10year this and etc etc. What are we really getting for these large fees for 10year multi-ensor license, 10-year viewing station license, especially in today's age where a lot of this stuff is pretty simple. You know

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what I mean? It just seems over the top for eight cameras. >> The licensing, no matter what camera system you go with, there's a licensing model that follows it. Uh we went with a 10-year license model on this um because the cameras normally last at least 10

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years. So, uh we saved some money there on the 10-year licensing. Um and then, uh you know, so and maybe Ross can speak to this. Well, so just a little bit of back background. This it doesn't manage the the camera systems. It's managed by

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HR and um they call us in if they ever need to pull footage. But I was asked to help drive this 5-year project by Marine. And the reason we were trying to get ahead of this one for Ross, couple of reasons. One, his cameras are so antiquated. They they don't work

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anymore. Um folks that you know steal things from the outside that you know there was a girl huffing something the other day, couldn't get a face. you just they don't work. Um they're extremely old. I don't know how many couple decades old. Um so I don't know if Ross

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you want to add anything but um we did have several vendors um we we looked at Digicom um who will be doing the cabling for this and another vendor uh AV solutions. I think these guys were the cheapest. Um

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Verata is the system that we already have so it ties into our current environment. They did work on the uh courthouse a couple months ago and uh did a great job. They were in and out um pretty seamlessly. Um and then we also

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wanted to get ahead of this because of tariffs and everything else as of July 1st. The pricing on all this could go up even 30%. So um is that a sales pitch from then to get it pushed through? Maybe. But the money has the money's

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allocated for for this project at $100,000 a year for the next 5 years. It's it comes out of the uh capital plan for um uh maintenance department. So, uh when we move forward with this because we wanted to get Ross up on the list

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because his cameras are so bad, he had some extra funds that he wanted to help go towards this. So, it's going to uh he's taken half of the funds out of his his area and then um half will come out of Aaron's area in in maintenance under capital improvement. So, yeah, I I get

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the pricing. I mean, they're all this way. Um you know, this this way they're managed uh supported. >> That's my question is how I mean I own camera systems. I don't pay any subscription fees besides a little Ring one that I have at my house,

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>> right? I can literally go onto my phone and dial in every single camera I have. They're all backed up for 30 days just like this. If I could throw these camera systems out and buy them eight times for the cost of this for the same five cameras. So, they could fail eight times

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and I'd be even money by simply walking up and taking the camera off and putting it back. So, I'm just I'm I'm questioning this just because, you know, often times contractors see government and it's the owner ain't writing the check and they're not doing,

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you know, so it I I realize that we need cameras. The question isn't whether or not we need to updo the cameras. I'm just looking at holistically. If five cameras cost us $5,000 a piece and we have 40 cameras,

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that's $200,000 to maintain that camera system. And you know, I'm sure we have more than 40 cameras. So, I'm just looking at the overall cost saying, is there a cheaper way to do this? Because I know many different ways to do this way cheaper

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than this. And so, I I I'm just questioning that. And I realize integrating into what we have, but there's plenty of camera systems out there that don't have licensing agreements that we can obtain. And that's usually where they get you is in this licensing. >> Yeah, that's that is the model

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unfortunately. And you know, as a commercial model, I guess that's just kind of uh the par for the course. But >> yeah, >> um I mean the the team did do a lot of uh research and meeting with vendors and

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you know we've used this we use this company for other software systems. They're they supplier installed our exagrid backup system. They're um they're responsive. I I don't know. >> Oh um >> Ross may have had a question. He unmuted.

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>> Um does want to make a question but I would like to give um Rash Dunmore an opportunity to respond first. Well, before he responds, I guess my big question is what's the problem we're trying to solve? Is there I'm looking at the little picture and you got five red

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dot. One, two, three, four, five little red dots. Is that where you're planning to put cameras? And again, what what is the problem that we need? And are they all outdoor cameras? I mean, is it just monitoring the outdoor or, you know, and and you've

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got blind spots all over the parking lot. So, >> here. So what what what again what's the problem? I mean you said somebody huffing but so what are we going to do with that? Well, I think you know that was just one example, but there are it's different for different areas. Like in Karin's area in the courthouse, they

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need cameras for different reasons, obvious recently, and we couldn't tell who it was because our cameras. >> Yeah, we did have someone last year uh drove over a light pole, got his car stuck in this parking lot, but it was so

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blurry we couldn't make anything out as well damage. >> So, we get a better picture. Are we going to prosecute or penalize? Are we going to spend $47,000 going after these people or again, what's what's the >> like I said, I I don't manage the

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systems. I don't I don't have anything to do with the camera system. So, I just I'm helping with the Just to be clear, >> you're the messenger. >> I'm I'm the one that helps get them in stock. >> Exactly. My I'm not questioning the cameras. I'm just looking at if five cameras cost us this much money, how

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much money are we spending on the whole system >> and I own >> I can send you the >> But you see where I'm going? This seems like a I can I put in camera systems for less than the cost of one camera, >> right? >> Entire systems that I can monitor 247, rewind, go forward, all cloud backed up,

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spaced. I mean, and I have eight, nine, 10 cameras on it. I mean, I can go right on my phone right now and do it. It's all locked in. I mean, it just seems like this is an excessive amount of money. And if this is only for five cameras, what's our what are we spending? you know,

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>> I I can forward you the all the the quotes and the >> uh project timeline and roadmap and everything for >> I'm just I'm looking at it as a whole saying do we need to as we go forward is there an alternative rather than going

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down a companybased system that has to me a very expensive cost to it. >> Yeah. I mean, I I can speak to the the requirement. The the the requirement that we have the cameras is related to our federal DOT plan. Uh we have a

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security plan related to some of the waste that we accept and under federal law, we're required to have a camera system. >> I'm not arguing the camera. >> Oh, yeah. I can't as far as the cost is concerned. I have that same concern, but it's unfortunately it seems to be what it

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what it costs. So, um, >> is it mandated? >> It is mandated under our under under federal law under homeland security requirements. >> Again, it's not. I'm just I'm look bringing this up saying between now and indefinitely.

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>> Is there a cheaper way to go about this whole system because this is excessive amount of cost. >> Mr. Bigley. >> Um, thank you, Commissioner, for bringing this up. I guess, um, it's a very valid question. Is there something that these cameras do that the cameras that Commissioner Elsing uses?

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>> Well, like M Mr. Elsing said, they do tie back to our current system. So, instead of, you know, gutting that, rebuilding that, we're tying back into that bicata system that we use across the county. Um, as far as you Karin's

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area and the courts, we were able to I think we just got about $200,000 grant to do the state side of things. So, that did help a lot. But um yeah, I it's just >> Well, the reason for the extra cost is because it ties back into

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>> that and the backup is expensive on a commercial system. I mean, it is different. >> Ring a Ring software. >> No, I have multiple different ones, but >> I and I like I said, I get this. This is the hook that happens when we buy into systems because now they got you and as

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you expand it out, you're forced to pay whatever fee they have. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying is is it's a now they have you. That's why I always say careful in these contracts or who you go with because it's the ongoing expenses that get you.

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>> And that's what we're seeing now is >> an insane amount of cost to put eight cameras in or five cameras in because we have to do it in order to integrate it in. So, I'm just raising the question, it is there a long-term outlook to maybe

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get off the hook of these expensive systems that probably are not as necessary as what they once were, especially as technology evolves and it's, you know, becoming easier and easier to do this. I'm going to say in-house inhouse. >> We can look, we can definitely research.

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I >> mean, we could hire a person almost an entire year to moni for what this monitoring system cost just on those five cameras. I get it. >> Yeah, >> that's all I'm challenging. >> Yeah. No, I I get that. >> Would you like to table it to stop? >> No, I we we need to move forward because

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we need to get the cameras done. But um the question just becomes um because this is integrated in. I'm challenging the IT department saying, should we be looking at a different way to do this so we're not tied into this system where we're forced to pay

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whatever fees they come up with because >> but this is a contract. We're asking to be approved a contract of work. So, >> and they, you know, we're about threearters of the way done with this camera project. Uh there's some out the highway shop inexpense less expensive.

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Uh I think they need a camera out there and a couple outliers. And then um the Cobb building is the the next one on the list, this actual building here. Um, and then after that, we're looking at a card access solution with this company because Banko was who we've had for a

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long time and there's >> HR has been struggling with that for a long time. So, just to give you an idea where you're at and I can send you the timeline, uh, Mr. Elsing and what we've done so far. >> Well, and that's where I go back and >> I mean, I've I've installed cart systems

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and just I don't pay any fee to it. you know, you buy the system, you buy the cards, you buy the readers, you put them in, and they're internally managed rather than externally managed because every time they come down to fix something, it cost us there's really no there's really no benefit to the ongoing subscription other than it's a way for

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them to provide a revenue stream to continue their business, which is great, but um you know, we're supporting a company out of the cities and you know, I just I'm challenging the whole thing because it's something I do understand pretty well and >> was a very important point. So,

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>> oh, I agree. >> Right now, you would you would be okay with approving this, but >> Well, we need to get it going and we have to >> looking at other less expensive options. >> Yeah, I'm sorry, but a motion to approve this gives them the go-ahhead to do this. So,

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I would say let's table it, let staff see if there's other options as Mr. Eling, Commissioner Eling points out, and then bring it back next meeting or or whatever. But I mean again, I just want to warn you about that that price increase and it's not just with HBS.

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It's a >> it's across the board. Um Cisco is doing it with our network here. Um it's just what happens when tariffs go up and we get >> Can't we find something made in the United States? >> I believe is made in United States, but >> tariffs shouldn't affect products made

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United States, >> right? >> Don't blame the tariffs. >> Okay. That's just what they stated in the email, so I'm passing. I know in Houston County right now I'm tasked with changing cameras out that we just installed six years ago because they were made in China and they can't be

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part of the system. So now we have to put in >> um American USA for security. Um, so, um, it cost to I don't know what you're getting on Amazon, but if they're the Chinese brand, uh, you can't operate

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them in the government and >> it's not, again, I use that as a reference from cheap all the way up to high-end. I I have cameras that cost a lot of money and I have cameras that don't cost much money. And I'm just simply saying it's not necessarily so much the cost of the equipment. Where

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they get you is these leasing things. They're they're fleecing you to have something that has very little value to it besides just somebody else saying I'm monitoring it. Well, what what does that do? So, when we look at the cost of those things and we incur them into our

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IT department, I would rather give that money back to our IT department to be able to become self-sufficient and invest the money into us. >> Like I stated, and it doesn't make a difference because it's that this isn't coming out of my budget and it's we don't manage the the the cameras. It's

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actually coming out of Aaron and Ross'. So, but money going back is money going back. >> Yeah. To whoever department it is, right? >> Sounds like Commissioner Ward wants to table, but other commissioners might be willing to move forward. Is there any >> I make a motion then to table until further research is provided?

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>> Question for you, Chad. Does this I recognize the need to get this done? >> Yeah. I just at the same time are we just setting a precedent to can you continue to go down a road that's very expensive? Is there do you see a shortterm fix to this problem or is this

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a long-term situation? >> I think it's a long-term situation >> and that's where I'm at too where I think we have to look at the whole scope of things because we're not this is actually going to impede what we need to get done by not doing this. The challenge that I have is I realize short

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term we need to get this done and we're going to probably have to go with this but I I want to see if there's a way we can get out from underneath of some of these things. >> Well, I just want to make sure that you know I was brought in this when I started here 5 years ago. Marine >> had said that this camera project has

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been on the back burner for years and years and years and I said well I I used to manage camera projects you know I I know enough about them I can help out. Um, and so that's what kind of got this going. Um, >> a lot of it had to do with safety. We couldn't see faces of people falling.

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There was a girl that fell over a cone outside last year. Just, >> um, from that aspect, I think it's good to have a solid solution. And Vicata's known as the best. I mean, they're the the best camera solution around, maybe

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in the nation. Um, so, >> Mr. The things you're saying make me very nervous because we're looking at one little building, but now you said we need to do the county office building. So, how does that integrate? Is it better to do the county office building

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with a broader scope of some of the cameras here focusing on on that building because they're, you know, they're a stones throw from each other. So, I mean, and again with what Commissioner Eline is saying, we're setting ourselves up to every system will have a maintenance contract with a

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very huge a huge bill. And can we do some of this internally uh monitoring and and have a system versus paying somebody what is it 10 14,000 or something um for the the people? >> Well, they did they did a uh they did a

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walk through and they did a heat analysis and and you know, all the different things to see where the cameras excuse me, go in all the buildings and I can send you the quotes and the statement of work for the the Cobb as well as I can send you it for all of them. Um, so they they did come

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on site and we did thoroughly go through this with Aaron Lefy. Um, he was the one driving this basically. But >> did you have you want to share peaceing it together? ju just with waiting um with the restructuring that we've gone

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through the the last year we have dead spots within the facilities and these will be fixing some of those dead spots where I have a worker alone in the back and I have someone up front who is monitoring them so anytime that you're on the receiving floor it needs to be

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monitored by someone and when I have someone who is on vacation I need to be able to monitor from my office or I need to revoke Okay. So, there, you know, there are safety considerations that we have to keep in play. We're supposed to

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have a backup for a primary operator. >> Commissioner Sing and then you, Commissioner. >> I I I'm not once again, I am not here to validate or unvalidate the need for cameras. That's not We could give a thousand reasons. There's a reason why I have them all, too.

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It's $21,000 to monitor these c five cameras. That's $4,500 a year. That's $1,000 a camera per year. I can buy a whole new camera every year

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and throw the old one away. That's the point I'm getting at. They want $21,000 to monitor five cameras. That's insane. So, it's a $1,000 per camera per year every camera. Start pointing to them.

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That's the part that I'm arguing. I'm trying to figure out there's got to be a cheaper way than a $1,000 per camera per year with no value. There's nobody coming fixing that thing for free. There's nothing. That is just serly ser just a service charge to own it. That's

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the issue that I have. I'm looking for a cheaper way because now let's just redundantly put that out there. If we end up putting 200 cameras in, that's $200,000. That's a levy point just to maintain camera systems. >> So ju so not all the cameras are going

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to be at that cost. These are more specific to that area. Um like a lot of the indoor cameras here quite a bit cheaper. Um and like I said, I can give you the full quotes for every location in the the whole u statement of work. um that was put together.

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>> Even if they're half that, that's still >> and we've been working through this for like two years now. And I heard someone mention um piecing it together. It's kind of the opposite of what we're trying to do. Since we have a bicata command, we want to tie everything into one system. So there's um

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um not as many moving parts. So basically that's that's part of it. >> Do you want to step in and you have something to say? >> I just have one thing. I was listening downstairs. >> This is Sam. Dan Michael, operations analyst, IT. Um, >> sounds like you ran up here.

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>> No, no, >> to your point, uh, Commissioner Elsing. Um, >> camera, >> it is, uh, 10-year service contract. So, it's not a per year cost at that amount. Um, >> no, I know. I just break it down on five

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cameras. It's $4,500 on the five cameras, which breaks down to just under $1,000 per camera per year. No, he he's saying it's a 10 year. >> It's a 10 year. >> So divide the thousand by 10, >> right? >> Oh, so it' be half. So 500. >> No, 100 or 100 $100.

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>> $100 per camera. >> Okay. So 10 years. So it's $100 per camera to operate just to be there. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> But what do we get out of that? >> So it's going to eventually the game plan with the ricotta system is to encompass it with the panic alarm system

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as well. Um which is antiquated what we have now. The buttons don't always work. >> We're gonna pay for that service. >> It's It's Yes. Right. So >> So that doesn't do anything because we're going to pay to have that service put into place. This is >> right. But it's all >> This is This is the killer of government, Sam, is it's not about the

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$100. It's this $100 and that $100 and this $100 and that $100 and it all adds up to millions. This is how businesses go broke. This is how governments have to tax their people. So, it's all these reoccurring costs that companies

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put in that in their own right don't look bad, but when we go through all of our contracts and we start lining up all these service fees we pay for all this stuff, it's millions of dollars at the end of the year when we add it all up. So, this is the way I scrutinize the

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businesses that I own. I'm looking for 50 cents, a dollar, $10, $100 going, is this necessary? Yeah, >> that's what I'm trying to do here. >> Yeah. And so the cloud hosted solution that we're getting also meets the security standards that we need to have.

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And I don't remember if it was Ross that said it was Commissioner Olsson, but there's certain security protocols that we have to follow as a government entity. >> Yeah. >> Um and the cloud solution gives us the safety and security of the solution itself that we need if that makes sense. So the

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the right now where we sit is not all of our systems are in coordination. Right? So before we did the courthouse that was on its own separate system part of the co is on its own system. The other half of it's on ricotta. Door access is its own thing. Nothing talks very well

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nicely to each other. Right now, the ultimate goal of this whole project is to get everything on the same centralized system so that we have total full security master control of all of our system. >> Okay? And so my thing is is I would go

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back to and this this is me. I'm just speaking as a business person. I would go back to this company and now we have lost all control because we are 100% at the mercy of whatever they decide. if they want to jack up their rates, if they want to do anything in 10 years, if

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they want to change anything, we just have to dangle along with whatever they decide. That's the problem when we hook ourselves into these types of scenarios. I've been there. I've signed many contracts for many millions of dollars before where all of a sudden now you're under the mercy of whatever they decide

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because you're in that system and it's too And then what happens is it becomes it's too expensive to change. We just got to pay the fee. And they know that. They know that 100%. And so my thing is is I'm trying to figure out because I don't have the answers and I don't know all the opportunities. But whenever I

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see these contracts come into play and they're going to continue to expand what today especially when it's your own money you start thinking this way. What are we doing today to ensure that down the road just like we make decisions here we hear well it's the system we have into place we don't have a choice.

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We have to pay the fee. That's where they get you. The the nice thing about the ricotta cameras that we have is like you say say in 10 years that they jack their prices up. Those are easily configurable enough that we could move them to a different solution but still utilize the infrastructure that's there >> and they lock that price

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>> and they do lock that price for the the 10-year term. Right. >> Yeah. This I get I'm just looking down the road going how >> we're not stuck anywhere like I said. So in 10 years if all of a sudden they want to let's say you know 22% they decide to jack our price up at that point we can

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say okay is that worth the investment based on where we are now or can we take our existing infrastructure and migrate it to a new >> and part of the problem right now Mr. Eling is the infrastructure behind the camera system. We're running coax that doesn't work. Um so cabling is a big

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part of it getting all of the runs. So >> in 10 years we have you know low voltage we have you know run to all the locations. It is just a camera swap at that point. But I I do uh understand where you're coming from in all this. But >> is there is there a way in 10 years that

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we can own the system and we don't need to be subscribed? The cameras are ours after after the contract's up. We own them. >> Could is there is So that's what I'm looking for. Maybe this is the right way to get it all started, but in 10 years technology is going to keep better. I mean, I went to school for it. I I get

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it, right? I mean, I did >> 10 year increments >> at the end at the end of the day. That's what I'm looking at because I, you know, the cameras will probably become obsolete to a certain extent anyway. But >> I'm just saying these contracts are the killer of a lot of businesses in government. And I just hate to get into

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get in over our head and all of a sudden >> the reason I went with the 10-year uh model is because uh well the three-year model was not much less expensive than the 10-year model and the uh lifespan of a camera is 10 to 15 years. So that was

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my thought at 10 years. You know, we're all they're all under the same timeline. And like I mentioned, nice thing about Vicata is that year 9 364 if that camera dies, they replace it with the best most recent model um for free.

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>> No addition. >> Commissioner Begley has been waiting. >> Um uh thank you everybody. Uh even though I have major concerns about this creeping big brother problem at all levels of government, I do I fully agree that we need cameras. I think Commissioner Eling

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also was made that point. I completely agree with them that there is a need for cameras. So, we can get that off the table. The question is is are there more costefficient, cheaper options that still do the job and do you both feel like there are because like literally I

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we got postcards and our we when we sat down today we we're we're going to make some really difficult decisions later on and I appreciate what you're doing because we're going to be asked to make some real real uncomfortable decisions later on. And if there's a way to save 2,000, 3,000, 10,000, I've gotten 30 at

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least 30 emails in addition to postcards and two speakers today about just a library issue alone. I think it's worthwhile to explore and maybe there truly isn't a cheaper way to do it, but if we were to table it for two weeks, that's June 23rdish, would there still

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be time if we decided? >> Um, so they gave us an extension once. They said the second extension is not guaranteed. And that's like I said, that's coming from all vendors. It's not just uh this vendor. And I do also uh I might have lost my train of thought

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here, but I um yeah, so I I think we'd be going backwards. I I do agree that that looking at other solutions is is a good idea, but as much work as we've put into getting Verata Command Center set up, get everything housed under one

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system in the cloud, tying in a card access and everything. and you know the the five-year plan that we've we're in the middle of I think we'd be going backwards and at this point would be very difficult >> is the best at what they do and if we were to reassess because this we had

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already you know started this project we're halfway through right like Chad had just said and if we go back and say okay what's out there now it's going to force us to spend more money because we're going to have to start everything we've done over and and get it integrated with that system otherwise we're going to have a multitude of

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different systems doing the same thing. >> Uh, Director Sonnenberg wanted to ask the qu and um >> then uh Commissioner Ward after you. Yeah. >> Um, so I think the reason that I I didn't put this agenda together, um, but the reason that this was on the consent

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agenda is to save money because whether we're 60% of the way done with this project and we stop to reconfigure and do some of what Chad M Chad and Sam Michael are referring to to a different alternative. The question is, do we want

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to save 30 or $40,000 to keep this camera put in place for our security right now? And I totally understand revisiting the long-term considerations that Winona County needs to make, but the question of why this was on our

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agenda now is to absolutely comply with the contract to have a discount and avoid increase. That's the only point. >> And I'll also say that we did >> Commissioner Ward and No, you go ahead. We did, like I said, we explored other vendors, several maybe four.

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>> Milestone being one. They were double the price of this. I mean, >> I I think it's just the atmosphere out there with how how much things cost. Um um this by far was the best solution. It was reviewed by U. Marine was on the

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calls, Aaron Lefy. This is it was a group effort. Um what we do in it is we listen to who like Ross has been needing this for a while and kind of bugging bugging bugging. So we need to get his his area done and then you know we the

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COB will be next and it's just we try to help facilitate by need. So >> thank you. So Commissioner Ward and then county attorney Sonoman and then Commissioner Elsa. >> Okay. I think part of our angst is we we the board doesn't know the plan. >> Yeah. And it feels like it's very

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peacemeal and it's very expensive because we're paying these quote commissions. Now you say Verata is the best. What's how long has Verata been? And you talk about 10 years. I don't know an IT person that lives in a 10-year increment. You guys live in 10 minutes and 10 months. I mean the things

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are going to change so much, right? I mean, who thought 10 years ago we would all have these things sitting here, cell phones. I mean, technology is going to change rapidly. >> We're not saying that it's not going to change in 10 years. We're just saying that if we push the contract out 10 years, >> we're committing to 10 years. >> We are because of the fact that if in 5

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years things change and the cameras don't work, we get a free upgrade. >> You know, like if question who's going to give you a free upgrade? >> It's part of the service contract with Vicatasa. Their equipment is always >> But who's Vicotta? Who is Vicotta? I

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mean, you seem to be saying they're the best. I have no idea who they are. What other county government uses them? I can I can send you information. >> I mean, are they going to be around 10 years from now? That's a good of any any major. And with Commissioner Olsen's

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comment, are these Americanmade systems? >> Yep. >> You know that. >> I can send you I can send you all the information made in America. So, it's compliance with the federal government mandates. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, County Attorney Son, then Commissioner Elsing, then Commissioner Olsen. So, I've been sitting here

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reading what you put in the agenda and I don't see anywhere where it was sent to our office for review and I don't see anything in the um statement of work that says what usually there's a termination clause or something like that if something goes bad with

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>> we can get out. >> You just said that they replace something that might be >> broken or whatever. I don't see that here either. >> I can get the I can get the master contract that we originally signed. >> Okay. the master. >> Yeah. >> And that might have been signed a couple years ago when this started with them. So,

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>> but I it might I I I don't remember, but I can business. >> Yeah. >> I'll take a look and and obviously get that home here. >> I I would just raise cautionary flag here because signing something like this, you know, kind of sight unseen is very dangerous.

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So, um I would rather that I mean I would from the legal point of view, I would support tableling at least. I could see the rest of what what I don't like about these contracts is that there's always a link that links to an

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even bigger contract. >> Um, and I see a few of those here. >> Yeah, we can we can send you that for sure because this is our fifth or sixth project with this company um in the last couple years. >> Understand that, Chad. >> I guess you know, you said you all got

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together as a group, but >> what bothers me is we don't legal doesn't get concluded until the very last minute on this one. I haven't seen this at all until now. So, >> okay. >> Yeah, it's very important especially for these long-term contracts. 10 years is a long time.

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>> So, I guess I would >> So, I had the motion to table. Is there a second? >> Commissioner Elsie and then Commissioner Olsen, >> I am not trying to disrupt you guys by any means. I am so sorry. >> That's okay. I just look at these things the longterm cost and that's what I see

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this becoming is a very long-term you know today it's increments coming in but the over when you get challenged on these boards Chad and Sam I mean it's amazing how you have to scrutinize things without with

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very little information and so unfortunately you know this isn't a one-time thing it's going to keep happening so I'm just kind going whoa hold on here this could turn into something much bigger down the road where somebody not sitting here doesn't understand and they just pay the bill and that's what ends up happening

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right guilty of that because there's things come across I don't really understand the background so you kind of go with it till you understand it better so that's what I'm trying to do is make sure I'm trying to put some emphasis on this and this come across the agenda and I read through it and I studied it and I know something about this stuff and I said are we getting ourselves into a

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hole here that might be hard to get back out of if we need to my goal with this would be if we need to go down this road to get started great and I understand I appreciate this takes a lot of work and I know that um but at the same time the ultimate goal that I think would be if

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we could somehow inhouse take care of this to get rid of all the subscription fees or whatever that might be on some sort of legal basis I don't have all the information but you see where I'm going that we could stop the reoccurring things the same thing with the police department one of the first contracts when I got on board I read through the

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whole thing and there was a 5% incremental increase every year. Well, you compound 5%. That gets really expensive in 10 years. It more than doubles the cost. So, and I just challenged that and said who didn't see the fine print. So, that's where I'm just looking at because that's how these expenses grow in government and

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business. So, um I'd be okay with tableing if we have to. I think this will end up we will have to go through this you know to get this all established but I would hope that somehow someway we could lower the cost and bring the expense in house >> and just for the record we we're already

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halfway through like we're not just getting started with this project >> which is why I said we're going to have to move through this and >> again so >> Mr. Olson. Thank >> Did I hear you say you seconded the motion? I We're having a lot

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>> discussion about the motion that >> if you're asking me a question if I don't mind. Um you asked me the question so I'll answer it. Um yeah, I guess I was actually going to go through with it, but if we need to table it for legal side, then I guess we probably >> I I can also say just uh from a time

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perspective, we're short staffed already. I don't know how much effort my team will be able to help with this. I don't know where Aaron is and his stance and what how busy he is, but uh I don't know how much time we'd be able to invest in looking at this in the next couple weeks or

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>> Mr. Regler. >> Um I would have also voted to uh to second the table and I'm going to vote in favor of tableing it and um I guess but first a question to our county attorney. Do you have time in the next two weeks? I know we send a lot of things to your office. Do you have time?

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I would I would make time and right now I have time and I was going to tell you guys if you can give me the paperwork I will look at it and it'll make I'll make it my priority this week. >> Sure. >> Um I am on vacation next week but hey I

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can do anything on my farm. Well, certainly, >> but I would look today. >> Just want to see what >> all those little >> links go to this thing and that thing. And you said that you've already started this years ago with what was it?

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>> I know. Yep. >> So I'd like to see that original contract maybe that if that's accessible and you know I would just take a look at all that for you guys and go ahead and >> I've known you too long. Don't worry

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about it. >> I appreciate you and your office doing that and if it could be done in two weeks that's important. Well, I'd get it done by >> and I realize you have much bigger fish to fry, ransomware fish especially um in the aftermath. Um but if could you guys in I guess a few bullet points explain

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why it's not possible to find a less expensive system like what Commissioner Elsene uses and I appreciate that because if he can call up 8 to 10 cameras on his phone, what's the And I understand a totally integrated system across different buildings and different platforms, it's probably way more

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complex. I know that. I don't know. Yeah, >> I don't even know what I don't know. Um, I know that a >> lot of it has to do with this the state standards and >> connection without without dumping hours and hours on you like in a full bullet few bullet points. A very valid point is is why there wasn't a cheaper way to do this.

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>> I think a big piece of that is is the state that the standards that come from the state. It has to be on a secure line and you know there's but we can lay it out. Well, Commissioner Elsing might be able to look at his security cameras on his phone. It's also highly likely that someone can hack the internet of things

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and be able to see that as well. And we need those security. It's >> an argument that Yeah. I use that just >> I'm using that as an example. Our system's obviously hackable, too. So, >> obvious commissioner Ward has made a motion to table this. It's a tableling till the

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next meeting on the 23rd. We're looking at getting some things done before then. I'm not sure that I actually heard a formal second. >> I'll second the motion. >> Okay. Commissioner Vaguely is seconding that motion. Is there any further discussion? >> There can't be discuss.

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>> Okay. So, all those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Is anyone opposed? Say nay. >> Nay. >> Is that a uh evening meeting or >> Yes. >> We'll both be out of town at a conference, but we could jump on. So, >> thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you, Chad. You're going to review that right away.

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I I was actually gonna let it go until you said, >> "Yeah, >> I have some revelations about what >> have tails and >> Oh my gosh, you don't know what you're getting yourself. Thank you for bringing that up." >> Okay. Item 8.01 is to approve the performance measures resolution. Uh,

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Commissioner Ward, you had some questions. >> Yeah. Well, of course, um, and I know this has come before us before, um, >> every year, I think. >> Yeah. But I don't know really and again it's something that the state put in back in I think what 2010 or something

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like that. I mean it's it's antiquated but one of the things that was disturbing to me is when you look at the first and it's the public safety so it's page uh 25 um you know there's a bunch of uh and I again I I apologize I don't

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understand it enough. you know, there's a bunch of offenses reported and then the crime rate and then the the rest of the columns, most of them they're zeros. So, what did we do? What what what purpose does this report and this thing do? Um, and then incidentally, I think

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we all get this. So, last night when I was watching my um late night basketball game, I opened it up and there's an article in our uh Niko newspaper. I think everybody gets this. um measure what matters only what matters and the

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whole thing is is what do we do with this information and then did we get I guess I I don't know where in the budget you remind me in the budget line it says we get like 14 cents per capita not to exceed $25,000 do we receive do we actually receive

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$25,000 from the state for doing this I mean it seems like yeah it's data but what do we do with it um is it really have relevance and does it have value? Uh, and I don't know, uh, Mr. Sonnenberg's been with us a short time, but I would like to know in the budget

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where the $25,000 is or do we even get $25,000? And what's it taking us to put this together? And is it something we should ask the legislature to review or abolish or, you know, tell us what they're doing with it? I think it's it's busy work to

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me. It feels like busy work. I don't know anybody else's perspective on it. And Miss Holt is not here, but we've been doing it for a long time. But what purpose does it serve is my question and I would encourage people to read this this little article about um performance measures.

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>> So I guess the question >> we accept it is >> the way the way I hear your concern is is what is the recourse? >> Yeah, I mean >> again if it becomes I agree. I mean, if it's just busy work and there's nothing that comes out of it, then yes, that is classification.

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>> And especially if we didn't get the $25,000 it says that we're eligible for if we do it >> right. I don't know. Did we? >> Yeah. I'd have to look. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I guess you know it it basically says approve the resolution. So, I'll move to approve it, but I want some followup on it. What What are we

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doing with it? And >> I'll second that motion. >> Commissioner Board has moved. Commissioner Vegley has seconded approval of the resolution. um potentially with some followup that has some questions. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please

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signify by saying I. I. Does anyone oppose? Say nay. >> Motion carries. >> The intentions are good. Accountability counties, cities, but is anyone actually looking at it? >> Yeah. Are they all >> We're just giving jump through 10,000. >> Here's another job to give. >> People don't remember why the first 900 hoops exist anymore.

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>> Yeah. No. And again, it was 2010. So that's 16 16 years. Our next item of business um is to conduct a public hearing regarding amendments to our 2026 fee schedule. Is there someone to lead us off in the conversation?

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>> I think we probably just everybody every >> is it necessary? Do you see anything that we need to change? Um, no. These were just recommendations that were sought by each department within uh, Winona County and there were some additions and edits um, as provided by

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each department head and their representation. >> I'll move to open the public hearing. Is that the next step? >> Okay. Commissioner Vagely moves. Commissioner Olsson seconds opening the public hearing. Is there anyone here in the public in the room or online that

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would Oh, wait. All those uh is there any further discussion on opening the public hearing >> hearing? None. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> Anyone opposed? >> Okay, public hearing is open. So now, is there anyone here in the room or online that would like to share some thoughts

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related to the fee schedule? Uh we are limiting the speaking time to two minutes. Um if you're here in the room, please come forward to the microphone, tell us your name and address, and share your thoughts about the fee schedule. If you're online, please unmute yourself. I

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will ask two more times. Is there anyone here or online that would like to participate in public com uh the public hearing related to the 2026 fee schedule? And for the final time, is there anyone here in the room or online that would like to make a public comment at this

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hearing about the fee schedule for 2026? I'll move to close the public hearing. >> Second. Okay. Commissioner Vegley moves. Commissioner Olson seconds closing of the public hearing related to the fee schedule. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please

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signify by saying I. I. Anyone post? Say nay. Okay. The public hearing is closed. Um, >> Commissioner Ward. >> Um, unfortunately, I see um planning director uh Dunmore isn't here. Um there's been some discussion uh when we

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go to the planning of uh you know after the fact permitting when uh people go ahead and do things and then they come in afterwards and ask for you know uh >> forgiveness. >> Yeah. Especially right now in my backyard, I've got some uh land, you

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know, land um disturbance and everything going and I think uh one of those is gone on Oh, there he comes without. And so I see in in here some there is some uh that have an after the fact fee, but

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there's some that don't. And when we talk about land and we talk about planning, a lot of times we ask the Soil and Water Conservation District to weigh in on on factors and are they compensated for what they do? Um, well, we give them general funding, but it

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should there be a fee for if a soil and water conservation uh officer or or you know staff person is required to review something um should there be a fee for that for that organization? Um but this this whole this whole idea of after the

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fact is really irritating some of the planning commission members that um >> uh >> yeah it's easier to ask for you know forgiveness than it is permission >> adjustment. Um >> good morning um Mr. Cray

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>> Rossar planning and environmental services director >> um Mr. CR did finish reviewing the the language with the after the fact and he does have some recommendations. So we will be bringing forward some proposed changes for 2027 on the

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after the fact. >> Okay. So there may be an addition which we >> right now it just completed attorney review. >> Okay. >> Making sure of ordinance language as well as the fee schedule language and there are some recommended changes that

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Steve has. >> Okay. Okay. So that may address that may address it. Mr. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I I guess that was exactly where I was going is I receive multiple phone calls about after the fact permitting and you know what what are we doing to

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stop that and I think it's a it's a bigger issue than what we I think realize um and it's it's actually brought up quite often to me. So >> yeah, it it is it's strictly um what has been brought forward in the past is

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really the gist of what is the board's desire. Um the focus has in the in the past always been bring people into compliance um and less punitive.

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uh but that sends a message as you've indicated and we we may need to be making some changes to balance that off. >> So one so one question I have with that is you know you talk about the punitive side. I mean at it's a difficult

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position to get put into because really is it a is it a legal battle to go in and accuse somebody of doing something? I mean, how do we how does a department head or anybody go in and say, "Well, you should have and then now does that

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turn into a civil case, a criminal case? I'm not really sure." Um, do you see how I'm going to this where they say, "Hey, you're accusing me of something I didn't do or no, that was always there. I I question what authority the planning or whoever has to be able to go in and say, >> Usually the pathway is, well, I didn't

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realize I I needed to is >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. kind of excuses come out. So, I'm just saying if we push the issue and they push back, does it become >> a court case? Does it become how do we do we have the right to go in and say, "Sheriff, go in and stop it." I mean,

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the the pro this question has been asked to me like what what authority do you have to tell somebody to say no until at what point does the sheriff go enforce it? Who's the actual enforcer to go in and shut a project down and say you can

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no longer do something? And I don't have an answer to that question. >> Yeah, I the zoning ordinance does provide that. We don't use that lightly and we would always do it in consult after consulting with the attorney's office and generally we would take law

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enforcement with us. So it's a so the so the sheriff has the ability to go in and stop a project if we feel as though it's an unpermitted >> we can issue a stop work order. Yes. >> Right. But who enforces it? That's the question I've been. >> We would enforce that with the sheriff's department after in consult in after

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consulting with the attorney. >> This is a question I've been asked and I don't have an answer. So yeah. So the sheriff's department is ultimately the enforcer for a project that the county has said needs to stop because of no because of whatever permit.

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>> Is that correct? >> I mean there's a limit to what they can do as well for a civil action because the resident does have right of appeal. >> Yeah. >> So it there there's only so far that the law enforcement can go as well >> and our office just excuse me our office

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would be notified as Mr. Mr. Donsmore was mentioning and if it's to the extent you know the serious degree where our office would be notified we'd work together with environmental services planning and the sheriff's department to determine what what steps legally should be done.

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>> Is it a civil infraction or criminal? >> It could be a mis usually any violation of the um of the zoning ordinance is could be a misdemeanor >> misdemeanor civil criminal. Okay. That's I've been asked that question too.

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I won't mention multiple misdemeanor charges daily >> and then they were consolidated into one charge and pretty much >> commissioner are done. >> Yeah, I just thank you for clearing that

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up. >> Mr. board. And then I think Commissioner Begley, >> uh, a a question because a lot of our fee schedule has to do with planning and zoning. Now, with three townships, uh, leaving Winona County planning and zoning, do they have to adopt this? Are they under any obligation to have these? >> They set their own fees.

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>> They set their own so they they aren't tied with what we have here >> and they and they have already adopted them. They have them on their TPA website. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. >> And just to clarify, we're not approving the actual changes of fees. This is just >> Yeah. Do we are we being asked to

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approve it today? >> The agenda just conduct public hearing. >> This is just public. >> Okay. So, no, we're not going to make any action. >> Okay. Great. No. >> Well, that allows the public to weigh in and they want >> they want to. Yes.

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>> Any further discussion on this item? >> Hearing none, we'll move on. Uh >> we did motion to close. >> Okay. >> Oh, we close it. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. We did close it. Never mind. Vegley and also Okay. Uh so moving on.

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Uh Commissioner Vegley, you wanted to had two comments. You said >> um the library. Uh that's a something I've received. I think we all have a lot of comments on a lot of feedback. Easily 30 emails uh inerson conversations, phone calls today. Um postcards and and

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uh public comments. And I appreciate all that feedback. Um thank you for that. Um, just to clarify, we are not currently, nowhere have we discussed on in terms of an official action making that $76,000 cut. It was something that

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came up during a work session and the public is going to see a number of exercises or thought thought experiments or like going through different scenarios. I think we should be and I I own this, we need to be more clear that it's not going to happen. It's just part

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of the budget process is to go through these scenarios. And so, uh, to the people who have contacted us, uh, we hear you. I I appreciate that feedback, but just know that nothing is currently on the table. Is that is that fair and accurate to say? And secondly, every

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July 4th is a special birthday. This July 4th is the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. One of the most beautiful parts of our country's beautiful history are those words that we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. They're endowed by

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their creator with certain and alienable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Sorry for socialized teacher nerd moment. Um but more importantly, visit Winona, uh Commissioner Ward and I have been part of a kind of a loose and formal group that has and it's not just the city of

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Winona, it's Winona County has been discussing like what can we do to better, you know, celebrate this important holiday and visit Winona. If you go to Win uh visit Winona, there is a page that's been created off of it. It says America 250 Winona County. Um and

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uh we we discussed possibly doing something bigger either at the county fair or in the city of Winona, but all the fireworks vendors are already reserved. And it's just unfortunately it was hard to create something new. But there were all kinds of other events that were already happening that are now

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linked in one page. If you have a chance, go to visit Winona's website and look for America 250. There are all kinds of wonderful wonderful things happening all over Winona County. Um it's already started through June, July into August as well. So want to

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encourage folks to check that out and thank Jose Pes who's not the police chief in St. Charles. It's his brother for creating this web page. That's it. Thank you, >> Mr. Good. Um little laundry list of things here. Uh one thing I wanted to

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bring up was the Minnesota City building update. You know, it's something I talked about and brought up. I really haven't heard anything about that. So, I just uh I wanted to bring it up on public record that again I'm asking where are we at with that situation uh 13 years running. I'd like to continue

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to push to expedite that. Um second thing is uh just been receiving still receiving some phone calls on taxes and checks and um things like that in the office. So, just making sure that everything is going smoothly in that

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office. Um Chad, I didn't mean to stir the pot. So, um, but please understand my cautions. U, also wanted to thank Tony Holy. Um, obviously I chair the road and bridge committee and I've had to reach out to him several times. He's obviously took over Tim Port's job and,

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uh, Tony's been very responsive and and helping me out in some different situations, even just yesterday. And, um, so just wanted to thank him for the good job he's doing. Uh, just a reminder, I you brought the 250th thing up, so we'll let that one go. And a reminder, the county fair is coming up uh, quicker than what we know. It's

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crazy to think fourth of July is right around the corner. So, um just reminding everybody to uh attend our county fair. >> Thank you, Mr. Ward. >> Um yes. Um last Monday we had our AMC district meeting in um Kassen and they

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give an update of the legislative session as they always do. It was in a way rather antilimactic. A lot didn't get done but a little got done. Um, plus is they did put some money in for modernization. Not nearly enough, but at

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least it's a start. Um, and I know, uh, Representative Jacob has been a real advocate for that because he un we we him and I agree that anybody that runs for a state office should also have on their resume and be able to check off a local elected office, especially county

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commissioner, because then they would understand all the things that they're asked to do. >> Amen to that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we got to get that on the uh the resume for that. Um uh plus is they did not cut county program aid, but again, they did not increase it. So, with inflation and everything, it we're

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behind again with county >> went down actually 50,000. >> Yeah. I mean, it so the formula didn't didn't uh yeah, it didn't help us at all. Um there are recaps. Both uh AMC and Micah have recaps on their website of all the all the legislation and everything that was done. Um, one of the

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things that affects all counties is our armor system. You know, we built out the armor system probably, you know, you talk about 10 years. We built it out 10 years ago. It desperately needs upgrading and and new stuff, new new technology. Um, so they did create a

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task force for funding Armorall. Most most of the armor armorall armor was was funded. Yeah. Was >> radio systems, correct? >> Yeah. The radio systems for the sheriff and dispatch and everything. So, initially it was funded with a lot of federal and state dollars. We didn't

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spend much locally at all except for a lot of radios and things like that. Um, so there it's a task force to talk about funding the upgrades to the armor system moving forward. And the counties uh will have some representation and I advise Julie Ring of of uh that so we can get

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county people on that task force. Um the other thing is uh it was kind of mentioned please be careful. There is a lot of road uh public safety driving. There is a lot of road construction going on both county township uh

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interstate I90. Uh please just be aware of the the mer it seems like the merging lanes have gotten very short um for people to get on and off uh of major thorough affairs and know what's going on. And with agriculture doing their work, please be cognizant of what's going on around you. um put the put the

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cell phones down and pay attention. Uh we don't need anybody um being damaged. But with that road thing, um, one of the things, uh, my township is getting used, township roads are getting used as detours off of major I90 projects. And

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luckily um through uh uh Dave Kramer's office and the state we have gotten some uh road counter you know my uh vehicle counters so that they can determine if they're you know I90 or federal or state

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road projects are impacting local roads and should a local road I had um uh Mike Flynn in Hillsdale they for the 14 they use a small part of Hillsdale and you know it took a real beating But they don't want to pay for that feeding. And so why should township

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>> they pay they do pay very small but but why should a township have to fix up a road that this a state or a federal project you know did to enhance their road. So they were very good about getting um uh Dresbeck and not uh New Hartford and such some counters so they

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can verify how much traffic has changed and if there's uh issues. So we need to be cognizant of of that. Um so that yeah traffic >> I had three things I would like to share >> please. >> Okay. Number one uh we got a press release from the department of egg.

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They're going to be spongy moth aerial management. There are five areas. Winona beaver stock latch and elba. And they say that they are going to start sending out these postcards this week. If you are in one of those areas you should get this postcard. It has some information

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on it that tells you where you can text to get very specific information. They're saying the activities will start June 24th through July 1st. Um, in case you're in one of those areas. Um, number two, next Tuesday, we are holding the

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board of appeal and equalization. So, if folks have concerns about their property valuations, uh, Tuesday night at 6 o'clock, I think is when the board is holding that session. and folks can come and speak to us. Um many of them probably would have spoken with our

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assessor in advance of that and she'll be presenting information about those folks. She has recommendations on the third thing uh the Micah meeting Minnesota intercount county association meeting board meeting is tomorrow. I understand that we did get some backfill money for SNAP and we got some backfill

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money for the act. Not enough but something. And I'm hoping that they'll tell us soon what the county allocation is and that's something Micah usually calculates. So hopefully we'll know that soon and that will help in some small way with our budget situation. Are there

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additional comments? Mr. Vagley. Then >> um thank you. Uh Commissioner Ward brought up um Representative um Jacob. I want to also thank him for his work on the African-American Family Preservation Act because he sees very well the impact on counties. We disagree on a number of

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things, but I strongly agree with him about either fully fund the mandate or take it away. So, I want to thank him for that. Um, and also in addition, thank you for bringing up the board of equalization. Also, on next Tuesday morning, we have our road tour date, right, where the five of us will be taking our All right, perfect. Thank

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you. That's it. >> It's at 9. >> 9. Yep. >> And we're meeting at the county building. >> Highway the highway building. Yes. And we don't have a place to eat. They're going to line that up. So, I think we go to your house. >> Do we need to eat? >> I think we go to your >> bars. I'll give you a protein bar.

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>> Just one correction. The meeting next Tuesday is 6:30. >> 6:30. 6:30. Board of >> equalization. 6:30. >> Appreciate it. Okay. Anything else? >> Motion to adjurnn. I'll second that. >> Great. >> Commissioner Olson moves. Commissioner Vaguely seconds adjournment of this

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meeting. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Anyone opposed say nay. >> We stand. Thank you. We also have