proposing takeover of zoning administration. Um, this isn't the real conversation. This is decide if we want to have a conversation. Um, I proposed it uh just because I know of two or three, maybe there's a fourth uh township that is
planning to contract their services with the company in um in Rochester. just >> um I was called by a supervisor who um made the same statements in the paper and his concern really had to do with um
that township wanting there to be home inspections on new construction and um I am sort of interested in talking about the county potentially being flexible in some of that stuff um if those are things that townships want.
I don't want to know if we want to have a com This is not the conversation. This is to see if we want to have that conversation. >> I you know I we could have a conversation, but I've been contacted by many people about this and I I you know
it's seems somewhat adamant to me that they this is what they want to do. >> Horse is already out of the >> horse is out yeah it's out. It's running free and I don't know if we're going to stop it. Um, but you know, we definitely can um, you know, try to figure out how
to work with them, I guess. So, >> so, and again, I >> I I would have another future discussion. Yes, >> a future discussion. Well, I think timing wise, um, Josh, I apologize. I didn't make the last township officer meeting. Did they have a discussion
about this at all? >> Um, no. Actually, it really didn't come up. And I I had brought it up just in my normal kind of I think I had 10 bullet points. I talked for about 20 minutes or so. Um but there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about any of that.
>> Okay. So I don't know where they're at. Yeah. I got I had quite a few calls. >> Didn't we get invited to a we got invited to an open house >> from the firm that's doing that? Um >> I don't I just hope they know >> what >> by adopting the building code that that's
>> getting some things. There's a lot of lot of cost. >> So I have the same problem. I don't get things on my phone. Like I said before, people call they I >> didn't want to bother anybody, but it seems >> so just Okay. Okay. >> Do we have
>> Yes. >> three? >> I think we do. >> But I I think timing I don't want to jump the gun till we get some of these pieces of information. Um >> maybe we could ask for what they are when we have the discussion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Uh next item. receive an update on Minnesota City School property, but I I
guess I thought we weren't going to get an update, right? >> It it's on the Yeah, it's on the agenda. Um Administrator Holy just asked. This was mine. Um I just wanted to get this back onto the subject. It's been a long term long time going thing and I know
the the folks at Minnesota City who obviously I represent um would like some closure and it's been a number of years. So just trying to bring it back to the table so they can move on. It's a relatively it's probably small to everybody else, but it's big to them and that's what
matters. So, I just don't want to sweep it under the table again and I brought it up about a year ago. Um, and we still have not progressed anywhere. So, I want to try to move that forward and maybe address this situation on its own.
>> When do you think that you could have an update? >> Next meeting. >> I am going to try for the next meeting. Yes, that's our goal. Could we so we're not going to have a Can we have an update or do we can we bring it to part of a board session to figure out what to
do or what was the idea of the receive an update >> because it's really the auditor treasurer who needs to give an update of the status where are we at what do we need to still do >> um it's nothing that the board can do it's really in the control of the
auditor treasurer and >> and I just had you know what I was told by the auditor treasurer is that they're trying to lump this up with other things. >> Yes. And my fear is that we've kicked the can down six years, 13 years as a
whole, six years under county authority, I believe it is. Can we somehow again I can get if Winona has a building for sale, it's probably pretty small to them, but when we deal with something in a small community like Minnesota City, this is a big thing and
for them it's front and center versus everybody else, their little problems are way in the back. So, I'm asking that can we make some sort of prioritization to something that's big for one of our communities to and again we we go back to look why maybe some of these
townships are doing what they're doing because are they the forgotten ones in the grand scheme and so they're just simply asking can we get put on the forefront we've been very very patient I'd like to move this forward for their community so >> I will do my best to help
>> okay thank you >> okay so I'm going to adjourn the committee to the board. We're have a short break for 10 minutes and we'll reconvene with the regular meeting at 6 p.m. We have a parks and environment committee advisory committee uh set of
minutes on our move. >> I'll take that. >> Okay. Commissioner Elsing moves. Commissioner Olsen seconds approve of approval of the parks and environment committee minutes. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor please signify by saying I. I don't
>> I. If anyone's opposed, say nay. >> Those minutes are approved. We are um it would be in order to potentially approve the agenda, but I'll first ask if anyone has any changes they'd like to make. Uh
assistant county attorney um uh Church. >> No. >> Commissioner Begley. >> Um an announcement and a future agenda request. The end, please. >> Okay. Commissioner Elsing. Nothing on the consent. Uh comment at the end,
please. >> Also, >> nothing for me, >> Mr. Ward. >> Um just a comment at the end, please. >> I have nothing. Uh administrator Holy, >> nothing, Madam Chair. >> Okay, great. Um
so, uh there are just some slight additions at the end. Otherwise, our agenda stands as it is in the packet. >> I'll move to approve the agenda after. >> Okay. Commissioner Vegley moves and Commissioner Ward seconds approval of the agenda. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of
approving the agenda, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> If anyone's opposed, say nay. >> The agenda is approved. Uh, Administrator Holty, could you read the consent business for the record? 8.1 Approve LG220 gambling license for Ridge Ridgeway
Elementary School PTA. 8.2 Two, approve temporary onsale liquor license storm sporting events. 8.3 accept Minnesota Office of Justice Programs Community Crime and Intervention Prevention Grant and approve resolution.
8.4 Approve purchase of service agreement with independent management services for guardianship conservator services. 8.5 approve utilization of purchase of service agreement for single case purchase with Southeast Regional
Crisis Center. 8.6 approve amended Katherine Freddy settlement agreement. 8.7 approve developing and noticing a request for proposal for recycling collection services. 8.8 approve 2026 solid waste hauler and
facility license applications. and 8.9 con confirm payment of dispersements. >> Thank you. >> Move to approve the consent business. >> Uh Commissioner Ward moves and Commissioner Vaguely seconds approval of the consent business as it was read into
the record. Is there any further discussion hearing? None. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. >> If anyone's opposed, say nay. >> Okay. Consent business is passed. We move now on to general business item 9.1 which is conducting the hearing for the
shotgun zone repeal. Um and um go ahead. Yes. Uh madam chair uh I think are we in agreement? Normally when we have a public hearing we ask all participants to state their name and
address and give us but we do not take any action. So, we will not take any votes tonight or or have really any any major discussion about the issue. It's just the idea to get the public's comments on this particular issue. >> Make a motion to open the public hearing
for the shotgun zone repeal. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Commissioner Elsing moves and vaguely seconds opening the public hearing >> orderly fashion. Um I um we would also like you to keep your comments to two minutes because
there's quite a few people here tonight. Um and I I'm thinking that our Heidi is going to put up the timer again. Um I just to clarify, my understanding is the legislature has passed legislation that
makes shotguns legal now for deer hunting. >> Rifles, I'm sorry, pardon. Rifles legal in the county. Um and if the county if we the county board takes no action then that will remain as it is. >> Correct.
>> Okay. So um anyone who would like to participate in the public hearing, please step up to the microphone, tell us your name and address for the record and um please go ahead and tell us uh your thoughts. >> My name's Otis Jacobson. My address is
32979 Hemingway Road, Lewon, Minnesota. We live in Fremont Township. My wife and I, we live on the family farm. Uh we are bordered uh on twothirds of our
property line with the state. And uh I'm probably one of the few here that oppose the rifle season. Uh the reason I we oppose it, my wife and I, is because our house is about 600
yards from the state line uh state property line. And here a few years ago, we found a spent projectile laying on our uh west deck of our house. And that was e a 22 or 22 magnum in my opinion.
Uh and therefore we find it uh that most of the deer that I we've hunted over the years, my wife and I and our family have been taken within 40 yards or less. Uh this there's no call for a rifle for
these distance living in the drifless. We're too close. Houses are too close. Uh ravines are too close. And there's a lot of people that don't can't be seen from one spot to the next where a person may be hit with a projectile.
So this is our reason for opposing it and uh we would consider your thoughtful consideration. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else please just step up to the mic, tell us your name and address and
share your thoughts with us. Good evening. I'm Larry Kendrick. I live in Homer Valley, 24144 Homer Valley Road, Winona here. I've been here since 1971.
Uh I'm a big deer hunter. I've been a lot of other hunting too and everything, but I am now in my middle 80s and my eyes have changed a little bit and my legs have changed a little bit too. So, it's a little bit harder for me to move
around and hunt and everything. But, uh, anyhow, so I've hunted of course with shotgun quite quite a bit here, but I have found my accuracy with a shotgun is not very good. goes beyond a 100 yards.
And uh so the last couple of years I've found a deer have found out that and so they go walking by and they stick their tongues out at me as they go by. So I figured it's about time I need some help. So I thought a high power rifle
would and I'm very much for I grew up out in west southwestern Minnesota and in the old days we used to hunt with high power out there and also right now everybody can go coyote
hunting and and fox hunting with high power rifles. Deer hunting would be absolutely no different than that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Part of southwest Minnesota, Larry. >> What? >> What part of southwest Minnesota? >> Oh, well, west of Albert Lee.
>> Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> I don't know how far over you were came from. So, >> thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Don't be bashful or we're going to be here all night. >> Yeah, that's right. >> We just start randomly picking people,
>> please. >> Hello. My name is Mark Brok. I live in 15587 Brozek Drive, Elura, Minnesota. Um, my farm borders the whitewater management area. In fact, um, it's named
Brozik Drive because I am the only one living on Brozik Drive. So, um, behind my place there is where my land my land is approximately my house is approximately 300 yards from the Whitewater Wildlife Management Area. Um
there is approximately one quarter mile and two parking lots behind my land where it is D is it access to the DNR land. Um opening opening day of gun season last year, a neighbor counted 36
cars on said um said road. Um this road accesses approximately I'm guessing a thousand acres. Um, out of that thousand acres, there is about 250 acres of workland. Most hunters don't hunt the
workland. Therefore, using DNR numbers approximately two two hunters per car, that would equal a hunter every 10 acres. Giving some of this land I included is up to 3/4 mile away from said parking lots. The vast
majority of these hunters are hunting within 5 acres of each other. My concern is the terrain in this area is the hills and valleys. U people hunting on state land do not have the opportunity to shoot deer like I do on my private land.
They hunt hard. They don't see a lot of deer. a hunting ethics and hunting safety go out the window when they've been hunting for two days and haven't seen a deer and then see that deer skylighted against
the, you know, against the hill. Long story short is unethical shots are taken all the time. It sounds like a war zone. Um, I hunted there two years ago. I hunted on my property adjoining. I've
talked to numerous farmers or numerous farmers, excuse me, numerous hunters who said they would not hunt there again because of the amount of shots that were fired. Um, let's see. I'm I like I say, my my concern is safety for me and for
people living around the Whitewater and heavily hunted areas. Um, zone 644 is the Whitewater. Um, at least I would appreciate if you took that into account when making your
decisions to switch from shotgun to a rifle >> or rifle to shotgun. Thank you. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to uh speak? >> Josh Sto, 26509 Minor Valley Road. Um, I
have questions for the board to consider as you guys do discuss this amongst yourselves. If this board does decide to enact the deer hunting rifle madden ordinance because you think the DNR made a mistake when they remove the rifle restriction, why is it the Winona County's board job to involve themselves
in hunting regulations? If the board does create a county ordinance on this, who will be enforcing it? Does this fall under the Winona Sheriff's Department? Uh, will the sheriff's department have to schedule extra deputies to pay overtime during the rifle deer season? The board is looking for cost-saving
areas for your budget. I just listened to an hour of this. This ordinance has the potential to cost the sheriff's department money to enforce and the local courts. What is the fine going to be if somebody violates this ordinance? And what will the cost be for the county
to prosecute? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks a lot. >> Hey Josh, there's a test on that hour by the way. Don't pay attention. >> Is there anyone else here that would like to um participate in the public comment period? Please step forward.
Forgive me. I'm a little handicapped. >> Okay. >> Or would you rather sit down? >> No, I'm good. I'm fine. So, uh, my name is Dakota Lmer. I am from Rushford, Minnesota. I have two properties that I
hunt on that are in Winona County. And I'm for the rifle season. I'm for having rifles. I'm confused why we're not given the option to be able to use both. Why we're not able to have shotgun and rifle. If there's people that are hunting these properties that don't feel
comfortable, why are we not given the option to continue to use shotgun is my first question. And why are we not able to use rifle as well? I'm a big coyote hunter. I hunt on several properties that are well over 200 plus acres. We have not had a single issue with bullets
or projectiles that I know of that I'm aware of going into people's houses or andor shooting towards people's residencies. At the end of the day, if we have it or we don't, you know, Wisconsin's been hunting rifle for quite a while some time. You don't hear people
getting shot, murdered, etc. because of, you know, so why why are we not given both options, you know? I I hunt on a section of property that's over 60 acres that's pretty much all field. So, if I'm
hunting on that and I'm trying to shoot something ethically across a field, I kind of want to kill that that animal and not have to worry about it going elsewhere across property line or whatever. You know, I'm all for having a rifle, but I do get the
safety behind it. And who's going to be in charge of all this is just like the last guy said, you know, who's going to be the first person of contact if something goes wrong? Are we calling Mitch Boy or are we calling you guys or who are we calling if something does decide to happen go wrong? So that's
there's a lot of whatifs to the whole aspect of things here and more than you know understanding of everybody has an option, everybody has a choice. Why aren't we given both? So, I've been a coyote hunter for probably eight years
now. And I do a lot of coyote hunting with thermal. And at the end of the day, I'm using anywhere from a 5.56 223 to a 243, etc. I mean, I've not once had a single issue with shooting at somebody's house
cuz like he said, you get hunter safety course before you even get to go hunting. So, why are we not following them rules? >> Thanks. So, >> is there anyone else who wants to participate in the public comment period?
>> My name is Merl Shrader. Uh, I'm from Chadfield, but I've grown up in this area and I've hunted in this area around Brushford and Winona counties um for a while. Um, I just wanted to say that as far as it goes to the rifle versus
shotgun, um, it seems somewhat silly to not allow for rifles, especially because high-powered rifle cartridges have been in use for quite some time, especially with the more recent rise of uh, AR pistols. We have rifles shooting 65
Creedmore, 65 Grenle, um 5.56, and a 308 Winchester, which are all would be considered high-powered rifled and bottlenecked cartridges. if you don't, which by all accounts, these would be much safer and far more
accurate, reducing both unethical kills and wild shots if they were allowed to be used with a long rifle as opposed to a relatively unsteady shortbarreled pistol. Um, and as well, Wisconsin just
did did away with their um shotgun only season relatively recently. um I believe it was 2013 and they saw no appreciable rise in hunting related accidents or shootings during the following season. Obviously, as some people have said,
there are wild shots that happens unfortunately, but those also happened when people when in an area where shotguns were supposed to be the uh only weapon used. And the modern sabbat slug
will go in excess of 500 yards. Their effective range is 200 yards. That's far past where a lot of people can see fine details. And they're not nearly as accurate as a rifle at that range, which increases your chance of missing or an
unethical kill. So, you know, it seems like, especially these days with modern shotgun slug technology, modern slug guns are basically just rifles anyway, so it seems silly that they aren't, you know. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Is there anyone else who'd like to participate? >> Good evening. My name is Andrew Myers. I live at 21808 County Road 27 Rolling Stone. Um, I was pretty excited to hear about the rifle switching um, just because I'm having my right shoulder
replaced on Friday. So, I'm not going to be able to hunt with a shotgun anymore. So, I was pretty pumped about this. So, I mean, to get into the piece about like the handicap part of it, I think this is a huge advantage for people. They can get out there, they can hunt in ways they couldn't before. Also, I know
there's a lot of safety concerns about it. Like some of these guys that live next to state land. I can understand that, but it's not the weapon that's going to cause that to happen. That's the person. So, I mean, if there's a lot of concern about that, we should be bringing that up to the DNR. I think
it's their job to enforce that kind of stuff. So, that's kind of what I was thinking. And to go back what the last guy said there, these calibers have been around for a long time, these higher caliber pistols. So, I don't think anything is really going to change
as far as safety goes and as far as I guess the handicap piece of it goes. That's kind of where I'm at and that's why I'm for it. >> Thank you. >> Good luck on your shoulder. >> Yeah. Anyone else who would like to participate in the public hearing?
>> My name is Mark Godsy. I live at 1392 Skyline Drive in Winona. Um, I started out deer hunting 100 years ago, it seems like. uh with friends and family and we hunted down in the Reno bottoms and we shot guns and I was never very
successful with it. I lost an animal and that upset me. I quit deer hunting for a number of years and then a group uh buddies started hunting up in northern Minnesota. It one guy had a cabin. I went up there and started hunting with a rifle and I enjoyed it again and particularly the camaraderie much more
accurate. Uh I've never lost a deer there. I haven't hunted deer for over 20 years and really have had no interest. My friends have come back down here and hunted. They all tell me, "Buy the saboted um uh shotguns that have
incredible accuracy, incredible distance. It's like hunting with a rifle. I don't want to buy a new shotgun." Uh so I do have a rifle. I would like to consider going deer hunting again because I haven't for over 20 years. And
uh because I have a rifle, I don't have to buy a new gun. I would prefer to hunt deer again. And mostly for the camaraderie, not so much for the venison, but we eat venison as well. So we hope you encourage I hope to encourage you to continue uh having a
rifle area in this in this area. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is there anyone else here who would like to participate? >> Please step forward. Hello. >> Hi, >> Adam Carlson, 36989 Cedar Ridge Drive. Um, I'd like to first start off with
this just by saying the state has made this legal. I think the county board dabbling in this. I wouldn't say it's not our business, but the state has made it legal. Do we have a problem? We don't even know if we have a problem. I think knee-jerk
reaction making an ordinance with this I feel is wrong. I would like to see at minimum, do we sit back and watch and see what happens first? The state has made it legal. I'm a land owner. I own 65 acres. I have the capability of saying if I
don't want somebody to hunt on my property with a rifle, I can say you can only use a shotgun. Let the land owners police themselves. I understand that there's state property where people live next to it. Let's be real. Bear with me. It's been over 40 years since I've had
uh gun safety training. But one of the commandments in gun safety, know your target. Know your backdrop. It's up to the hunter to be safe. I don't think us making an ordinance forcing people to be safe is right. It's
up to the hunter. I say leave it up to the hunter. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. >> And I know that there was someone who is ready to come up. >> Hi, uh Norah Huxable, 560 560 East 6th Street in Winona. Um I'm also a member of the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
Association, though I'm here uh speaking privately. Um, I don't really have any arguments to make that haven't been made far more eloquently than I could possibly do it. I am in favor of allowing rifles uh for deer hunting in
Winona County. Um, the major points that I agree with though are that rifles are a far more accurate, far more precise tool. They allow far more ethical shots when you are trying to to harvest an animal. Um, additionally, if we're
looking to callull the herd, uh, as we apparently are with the CWD regulations, rifles are going to be more effective, uh, for that as well. Um, and then, as people have pointed out, uh, there isn't an appreciable difference in safety uh,
between shotguns and rifles. Rifles are often times shooting as far. I shoot I hunt with a 3030, so sometimes shotguns can shoot even farther than I can. Um, so that's not really that much of a difference. Um, and as somebody pointed
out, Wisconsin already uh allows uh rifles in relatively the same topography, and we're not hearing about uh an appreciable increase in uh folks getting shot while hunting. Um, I think it makes a lot of sense. Uh,
additionally, since I see you have 38 seconds left, um, as it was pointed out, this isn't whether Winona County wants to repeal the shotgun rule. It has been repealed. Winona County is deciding whether to become an exception to the
repealing of the shotgun rule. Um, and I think that's important uh not just uh syntactically but also because if Winona becomes an exception, it becomes more difficult for people to start paying attention to the checkerboard of where things are legal, where things aren't
legal, and that can complicate things uh from a just a hunting compliance perspective. U Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else here who would uh please come forward? My name is Brian Holm and I live in
Udica, Minnesota. I lived there almost all my life. We have 42 acres of woods there that run on our farm right along the edge of town. Uh people have limited ways of going hunting nowadays. So yes, they crowd into state land. Um they're
on every side of us up to the inch. You have to watch for people coming on your land. We have railroad tracks, Highway 14s right down from our woods, County Road 33 going out. And a fact is rifle
bullets do travel much farther than than slugs. And uh so uh I'm really concerned about the the danger. Um another thing, uh there's a youth season. Young hunters are just learning how to hunt. That's
good. But um and I wish we could trust everybody with uh doing the right thing, hunting and everything, but you can't. And the thing is when they have a bullet and a rifle, it's going to travel farther. They're going to shoot farther out at deer if they see them in a field.
They're going to take longer shots. A gentleman here said 40 yards. Yeah. Most of the I've hunted over 55 years. Most of the deer you shoot or you you know, you don't shoot if it's too far. There's diff different topography in the state of Minnesota. It's different and
Wisconsin also than around that we have in Winona County now. There's other counties that are not going with the rifle and having meetings also. I just read an article today. Even western Minnesota, there's one. And it seems
like that'd just be a wide open space. Now, coyotes, hunting coyotes and fox is different than deer hunting most of the time. They're in open fields. They lay a lot of the people that I know go fox hunting. They spot them. They get out of
their vehicle and sometimes they might shoot from the the road at them. It's they're not in the woods sitting in a blind deer hunting. The fox and coyote hunting is different. And I I don't know, maybe I'm not up on things, but I don't know many people that hunt deer
with handguns. uh they're welcome to do whatever they want to and that's their their privilege, but uh I see that that's mentioned. So, um you know, a person can be as good a shot with a shotgun as a rifle. A rifle uh I can't think of a
deer that I've been lucky that ever got away that I uh shot at. And so, as far as being more humane, um practice your shotgun some more. So, um I just uh I I guess that's um it it's
easier always to take the easier way out with a a rifle. It's farther shooting. As far as uh policing the actions, the DNR uh I know my time's almost up. The the DNR um is in charge. Game warrants. Now, if someone uses a grenade launcher
or a bazooka, I mean uh you know, they're to follow the rules. I I don't wouldn't see a lot of things pushed back on the county as deciding and lawyer actions um to be you know a threat in that way. So they would support whatever the rules
are, I'm sure. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> Are there other folks here in the audience that would like to uh share some thoughts with us at the public hearing? >> I know there have been folks online. Was there anyone online that wants to participate in the public hearing? If uh
you could unmute yourself, >> I would. >> Please go ahead. Uh tell us your name and address. John >> uh John Adank. I live in an Alaska, Wisconsin. And I've been deer hunting in uh the Minnesota city or excuse me,
Rolling Stone area for about 42 years. Um all with shotgun obviously. Um, you know, back when this was changed back in 1942, uh, to shotgun, it was to limit the depletion of the deer population. That's
what the DNR thought at that time. But here we are in 1926 with an overpopulation of deer and something needs to be done. And honestly, you know, a shotgun is is is accurate and it it's the accuracy has increased over the
years with the um introduction of this the Sabo rounds. Um however, I don't think people understand that shotgun takes a lot of when you're using a slug gun for deer hunting, there's a lot of technique that goes into it. Uh because the slug
travels slower, you have to shoulder the firearm and it's you have a 10 to 20 mph wind, which is very common in the areas that we hunt. That slug is going to move 7 to 20 in off your target.
And with a rifle, sure you have to deal with the wind, but it's it's much more accurate. I would venture to say that most people who are still using shotguns, the probably majority aren't using um scopes. People who are going to
be using rifles are going to be using scopes. So, they're going to have to find their their target within their scope and then um you know, take their shot. Uh some other things, you know, I also hunt in lacrosse area. The topography is pretty much exactly the
same. If you look at areas of West Salem and Lacrosse, uh they're the same as Winona and there are no issues with with uh deaths. If you look at Wisconsin, I think there were two accidents last year. They were
self-inflicted. Um one person falling out of a treeand and somebody else just uh firing their gun by accident. Um, so and I also think the enforcement of the shotgun uh restriction would be difficult too if it falls on the DNR
with the surrounding counties. Some opt in, some opt out. It's going to cause a little bit of an issue for a hunter. Maybe if he's right on the property line of a of a uh a county where it's in or out. I I think there's some issues uh
that go along with that as well. >> Thanks. Thanks, John. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. Um, is there anyone else either in the room or online that would like to um, state some thoughts for us in this public hearing? >> I certainly would like to. I' I've
attended a few of these meetings over the next several months. With the board's permission, though, I handed you all this in August. I would really like the opportunity to read the entire thing. >> May or may not go over two and a half minutes, like three minutes probably. Don't quote me. >> Maybe cut something out. Come on up to the podium. >> I can't promise that. I think it needs
to be thorough. You can provide us with coffe. >> You don't hurt my feelings by not having the little baggies I gave you guys either. Uh my name is Mr. O'Hanlin. Uh Bo O Hanland to be specific. I live on 26532 County Road 17. Um I own a small piece of property there that I deer
hunt. Um as far as my background, um I have instruction and qualifications and expert qualifications through the Marine Corps. Um I'm an outdoorsman, a hunting guide in over four states. I've hunted with rifles in over 12 states. Um, I participate in gunsmithing, ammunition
manufacturing, um, and as well as ELR and F-class long-distance shooting. Um, I'm going to try and compress this a little bit. There's a lot of emotional dogma in claims that have been made that shotguns are safer than rifles. Let me assure everyone, no firearms are safe.
It is in violation of not only the hunter's code of conduct for our firearm safety rules to fire at people, places, and things that we don't intend to destroy. Um, but it's also a felony statute in the state of Minnesota. It's illegal to recklessly discharge a firearm. So, all the safety concerns are completely mitigated by that point. There's nothing this body can do that's
going to prevent a more stringent consequence than the felony statute that already exists for covering the reckless discharge of a firearm. Period. The county board doesn't have the authority to do anything that's more strict than that. You know, severe penalties for that already exist. Um,
rifles due to the diversity of cartridge options available are much better suited to big game hunting, allowing for the selection of an appropriate caliber, cartridge, and weapon platform for a particular circumstance, terrain, and game choice. Whether it's a 12-year-old just starting out who wants minimal recoil and maximum accuracy with a 243, or an experienced markman equipped with
the latest, flattest shooting magnum cartridge in their go fast rifle of their choice. You should be giving people the opportunity to make those decisions on their own. And as others have stated, the state has mandated this. So, it's it's a tremendous opportunity that the county board maybe not is not going to get very often to
further individual liberty and individual choices for its constituency. And I think that it would bode well for everyone for I mean, and without a without a better way to phrase it, stepping out of the way to allow for that. Um, because it's going to have lasting positive effects on everybody.
And I really want to hit home on this enforcement challenges. The hunting zones are not segregated by county line. It's by terrain, deer density, and habitat. And so we have several zones within our county. And this county is already stretched completely thin by our topography for the sheriff's department.
I don't know how it's it presents enforcement logistics and possibility. I don't see how it's even possible to enforce it. I mean, the DNR's got that fancy spy plane with a gimbal camera on it that they like to fly around all day. They're very limited on what they can enforce cuz it I sure assure you it already happens. Um,
>> thank you. >> And I hit this environmental impact. I think it's extremely interesting for you and I know you've probably not read it yet. The Minnesota DNR somehow does not collect data on how many people at the county level purchase firearms deer licenses, but the state has released some data suggesting 15% of the
population does particip participate. Because of this, we can speculate Winona County's participation level to be close to 7,495 hunters. Most hunters that are using a shotgun in a shotgun zone are using either a 20 gauge or a 12 gauge shotgun with whole lead foster or jacketed lead Sabo slugs in grain
weights that varying from 250 grain to 500 grain. With some basic math, we can extrapolate that an average grain weight of 320 grains. These fire hunters by firing only one shot are depositing over 342 pounds of lead into our terrain.
Right? If only for one shot. The truth being most hunters fire two, three, four, and more. I'm sure you've heard it. The truth. >> I will. I will. >> Okay, go on. >> I know this is I know it's lengthy, but it's so important. There are, of course, copper slugs
available for shotguns. Unfortunately, because of their limited velocity, they don't reliably expand. The other thing is cost. At Fleet Farm, in comparison, copper 20 gauge Sabbaths are $4.90 a round, while a common 30 odd six non-toxic offering is only $1.20 a round. and that is a center fire rifle
cartridge. If we want safe, ethical hunting to take place, we should be able to agree that lowering the entry cost for ammunition for practice will translate to more practice, which leads to greater accuracy and outcomes in the field. >> Thank you both. >> Yeah, I know that was lengthy. I will present all of you with this in your emails again. Hopefully, you'll read it.
It's really good information. >> Thank you. >> Yes. And we we kept those baggies of >> We did. We had one. >> We actually have three different people bring us baggies with >> Good. I like those people. lead place. >> That was great. Can I give him my two minutes?
>> Unfortunately, so much more. >> Unfortunately, cannot. >> That was that was absolutely excellent, young man. Excellent. >> Mark, >> I'd love to give him my two minutes. Uh my name is John Hazelton and I live in the city of Winona. Uh I had spoken last
year in regards to this and I am in favor of the use of rifles and I went over many different reasons why I'm in favor of the use of rifles. I also presented an email to all of you as well uh regarding those specific reasons and then also my qualifications, years of
experience in law enforcement, extensive training uh in firearms, ballistics and so on and so forth. I'd stated the first time that I I would be considered an expert in regards to this field and I I still hold true to that. The reason I wanted to talk tonight is I'm not going to, you know, reiterate all the stuff
that I talked about the last time or the stuff that I emailed you. Uh what I wanted to get across to the board and the citizens of Winona County is I've been in numerous conversations with Sheriff Ron Ganude. Uh Ron Ganude stated that I could use his name tonight and speak about our conversations. Ron is in
favor of the use of rifles. Uh and he had presented myself and Deputy Adam Carlson and Marine Holy with an email uh in favor of rifles stating why he was in favor. Did you end up sharing that? >> Uh no. >> No. Okay. And that that's fine. So, there's one one part here, and Ron said
I could read certain parts of it. I'm just going to read to you. Uh, rifles are far more accurate than shotguns. Being a hunter myself, uh, when I'm out deer hunting, I always hear multiple shots, someone emptying their gun. Using a rifle with a scope, hunters will be far more accurate with their shots and
therefore reducing the number of shots taken. Uh that being said, to accompany that, I'm sure the board is aware of it and as well as a lot of the citizens of Winona County. I am running for sheriff this year and the main priority of a sheriff, one of the main priorities of
the sheriff is the safety of the citizens in that county. And Ron Ganard agrees and he states it later in the in his email here. I also agree. I can stand here with a clear conscience and say that the use of rifles is going to
be a safer alternative than that of shotgun because of the mount the number of rounds fired and the mount the number of trajectories in the in the air reducing the possibility of damage to property or personal injury. Thank you for everything you do for the citizens
of Winona County and thank you for your time tonight. >> Is there anyone else? Uh, also if there are other folks online that would like to participate in the public hearing, please unmute yourself. >> Madam Chair, we also I don't know if anyone's out there.
>> Commissioner Olson, you asked already spoken with the board once before, but James Do 26820 Road 102 in Rford. Uh, I've hunted Winona County for 30 years as I spoke before. Uh, I think we've had a lot of great input here tonight. You know,
covering a lot of topics. I I one thing I hadn't thought about is the lead pollution idea. You know, obviously we have uh eagles and predators that feed on carcasses and the less lead you use, the better off we are. Um, you know, that's just one more thing. You know,
like I say, we've already had all of these calibers available to us through the years and uh I've liberally taken uh advantage of that in the pistol formulations. uh many people have and and we're dealing with the rifle cartridges as it is. We're dealing with that trajectory, that that extra
carrying. And uh the reality is when you hunt in a wooded area in these bluff areas, you don't get a whole lot unless you're skyline shooting, which most of us have been taught since we were little not to do, but uh you don't get a lot of carry beyond what a slug would do. So, I mean, it's not not a huge safety issue.
Like I say, all you got to do is look at Wisconsin. I I hunted Wisconsin for years and and grew up in southern Wisconsin. Same topography and we just don't have the safety issues that uh have been raised. But uh I'm looking forward to hunting with a rifle. >> All right. Have a good day. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Is there anyone else online? Can you unmute yourself? >> I'll ask two more times. Is there anyone else that would like to speak to us at this public hearing?
Charlie Rebecci, I'd like to say something. >> Sure, Charlie. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, tell us your address. >> My address is 23461 Whitman Dearian Drive, Minnesota City, Winona County. >> Go ahead. >> I'm just letting everybody know that I'm for the rifles as well. There's been a
lot of things said. I won't drag it on because I know it's been a long night for everybody. Appreciate your time. Um, a lot of good things were said there and I just think um, a lot of things were brought up like these properties and things that people should be able to, you know, let people on their own land
and and if you want to use a rifle or a shotgun, that's up to the land owner. That's been brought up to me numerous times on some meetings I've been to. and and some of my neighbors are also concerned about leases and things and that and I told them that's something that they can be brought up as well if they're not comfortable letting a rifle
on their on their big acreage and things like that if they have some concerns and just kind of see how things go. I did talk to the DNR about it as well. Um, and they said it had to be concrete before they would enforce some things. So, I did reach out and talk to our local DNR officers about it, too. I also
work for the sheriff's office running for sheriff as well. um like John said that we have been talking to the sheriff and things about it and so I I won't drag it out. Everybody's talked about a lot but I just want to know that um we are for it there too and you know we are
concerned everybody's safety as well but I think that we should let it go and kind of see how things go and and I'm a big hunter as well and I looked into this in Wisconsin. It's been since 2013 they changed it over to rifles and they have not had any more issues. I couldn't
find any more problems since they went over to shotguns from that. So um I don't see that um any more problems that Wisconsin's had um statistically or anything over there. So um I guess I would just see how it goes from there.
So thank you and have a great night. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else here in the room or who is online that would like to participate? Can you guys hear me? Um, >> yes. Oh, no. Go ahead, Ted. Um, stay there. Yeah.
>> My name is uh Jordan Dryer. Address 1252 Homer Road, Winona County. >> I would like to put out there as another advocate in support of rifles. I think it's important to uh, you know, have as many people speak on this as we possibly can. Unfortunately, I've not been available to attend the whole meeting. I can't, you know, reference whatever
other people have said. What I would like to say is that talking to people out there some of the drawbacks to using a rifle in Winona County is uh the education side of things. We don't want to be confusing with other counties that are, you know, maybe in the area that aren't allowed to use it versus are
allowed to use it. You know, I'd like to reference, you know, as an avid sportsman, regardless if you're hunting or fishing or whatever, you know, outdoor activity that you're uh participating in, it's always been the responsibility of the hunter to know what you can and what you cannot do. Uh fishing is a great example of that. What
we're able to do on the Mississippi River has different regulations than what we're able to do in Lake Winona versus Lake of the Woods or you know uh different you know bodies of water throughout the course of the state. And it's always been on the angller to know what you can catch, what you can possess
and what must go back. And I would not let you know it would uh it'd be hard to hear it doesn't go through because uh we don't want to be confusing with other counties in the area. um you know also to state that using rifles um you know many people in this area
um haven't been able to however they still own them they hunt Wisconsin they go down to Kansas they go out west uh these people in favor of rifles are educated hunters in a whole in the state of Minnesota have all gone through a hunter safety class uh to get their hunting license each and every year that you know they did it usually when
they're what 13 years old things of that nature so uh education should never be a factor in determining uh what the public is and what they are not capable of doing. So I appreciate your time and thank you everyone for all the support out there. Let's keep it going. >> Thank you. >> You Ted
>> Ted Hazelton 1073 West Fifth Street Winona. I've been hunting since I was 16 years old. I am now 57 years old. 41 years I've got in it. Um, I grew up in a hunting family.
I went through hunters training and safety course with firearms. I have a Minnesota conceal and carry permit. And I can legally go into the woods and shoot a deer with my .45. Am I going to do that? Probably not. It's not accurate. Hence the argument
with the shotgun versus rifle. A rifle is far more accurate and it's a cleaner shot. With a shotgun after the first hundred yards, without factoring in wind, as another speaker
mentioned, a shotgun slug will drop a few inches and then every 50 to 100 yards further, it drops dramatically. Now you're risking hitting that projectile hitting rocks and trees and and ricocheting.
You won't have that with a rifle. So another speaker mentioned, "Well, why can't you use either or? Is it can it be either or or is it black and white? Only shotgun only rifle." I think it should be up to the individual hunter since the
legislature allowed both options. there. There's not a ban on shotguns and they're opening it up to rifles. So, please consider the safety factors. I like the idea that the other speaker talked about all the lead pollution out there. And I've been in the woods and it
and you can hear somebody unload their shotgun, boom, boom, boom, boom. If you're out in the woods hunting a rabbit, bang, and it's over. And then uh as far as projectiles
hitting homes and that they're not going to go any further than a than a 12year-old shooting at a rabbit with a 22 rifle. So just some observations and things to consider. And the last thing I want to touch on would be the boundaries
that the DNR establishes in different counties and how are you going to logistically enforce it? and and that's already going to be a big mess when that part of the county is in this zone, that part of the county is in that zone. You might have five or six zones. So, it's a
logistical nightmare. So, I see my time is up and thank you. >> Thanks. Thank you. Is there anyone else online or here in the room that would like to share some thoughts with us? Please come to the podium. >> If you are online, try to unmute yourself. Unmute yourself and catch our
attention. I'm gonna ask one more time. Is there anyone else here that would like to share their thoughts with us either in the room or online? >> Motion to close the public hearing. Second. >> Commissioner Elsing has moved and Olsson
has seconded closing the public hearing related to um the shotgun zone repeal. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I anyone opposed? Public hearing is closed. Thank you everybody for
>> Thank you everybody for your input. >> Yep. Appreciate it. >> Be safe going home. Think the roads are okay. >> So we have uh one more item on the agenda. >> What are we going to find out about
decide? Don't don't know. >> Don't know yet. >> Don't know. Sorry. Don't know. >> I think we should try to clarify that, but just so folks know, but >> but we don't know. >> Yeah, we we don't know yet. We'll we'll hopefully figure out >> sooner rather than later. >> I think we have to decide by May,
>> isn't it? >> I think my street probably doesn't make any difference, does it? >> Okay. >> Well, say it now because you're home street. >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming.
You want to take a break for five minutes while we wait for Marcia to come back? >> She's in the She's in the doorway. Okay. I rolling Township. Can't do it in my >> Thank you. Have a good night.
Okay. Item 9.2, approve interm assessor appointment of Lindsey Brandt. Um, just a a question and I think I did get clarified that uh, Miss Brandt has all there's uh, lensures and and everything and and she's all current on all the
>> she has finished that. The only thing she has left is the the the public, you know, she does the oral, but she's got her she's finished most of the licensing. Yeah. >> Okay. So, so and I think they have to be recognized by the state of Minnesota as
having all that. So, we're good there. We're good. >> Okay. That's important because Yeah. >> Commissioner Alson, >> I got a question. When it says interim, um, well, does that mean we'll be advertising for the position? >> Yep. We'll be posting, you know, if the board approves, uh, we
will be posting tomorrow. >> And she's quality. She could apply for the position. Correct. >> She could. I mean, I she can. >> She can. >> That's I asked. She can. Yes. Yep. >> And I've been working with her the last nine months, you know, as over I've been overseeing the assessor's office and
seen a lot of growth. So >> Okay. Great. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> Thank you. Make a motion to uh approve interm assessor appointment of Lindseay Brent. >> I'll second that. Mr. >> Hing moves. Commissioner Begley second approval of interm assessor appointment
of Lindsey Brandt. Is there any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. >> If anyone's opposed, say nay. >> Motion passes. Committee reports and communications. Oh.
Um, Mr. Beu. >> Uh, two items. I'm actually going to change one. Um I um I guess I'm going to look for a second to put the shotgun issue on a future. I think that what's important is that the public knows where
we stand or we could just simp or even to say that we're not going to discuss it because those folks want to know like when if we're going to do something and I have a sense that we're not going to do something. that just might and I could be way way wrong on that but I just I think it would be good to let the
public know what's going to happen and I don't know what's the best no because and commissioner war you made a good point is if we do nothing that it just states >> but I think >> follow state law >> yeah people I think it would be good for us just to go on the record so that we could put people's concerns to rest and
um and then people would know that it's it's decided >> I don't think we do that need to go to a committee of the board though because we're that taking an action to anything? Is it just a public statement? Let's just say for example, we do nothing because we don't have to do
anything if we decide to leave it if it would actually take a motion to the committee of the board if they wanted to change it, you know, if we wanted to do that. So, I'm trying to figure out the proper procedure of how to implement that. Administrator Hobie.
>> So if the board desires to have an official action, you will need to put it on the regular board agenda. Your practice has been that you put it on committee of the board to discuss whether you want to discuss it and then discuss whether you put it on the county
board agenda. However, if I may, you can give direction if by consensus not taking a vote for us to do a communication on our website wherever you want it that you're not going to take action. I mean,
>> because this isn't an actual >> you commission. Yeah. >> So, if it goes to the committee, the board and we don't have three votes to put it on the agenda, then it's over. So that would be that would accomplish >> actually what I'm looking for or or we could do some kind of statement from
people just so >> yeah I guess yes. So that's where I'm at. I think it would have to really in reality to go to the committee of the board would be to actually make a move towards
repealing or going against the current law. Otherwise there's no action stated. We're not doing anything because we don't have to do anything if we don't want to do anything. It would just be in an effort to make a statement. >> Yeah, >> to be clear, maybe I should restate it is an effort to just make statements at
committee of the board >> just so that the public is because if I was those folks, I would be wondering while you're so I'm not sure how to do it, but >> that's where I'm at. >> Yep. >> Because it's really not an action other than just a statement. >> It's really It's really a statement of
inaction. >> Yeah. It's kind of a weird thing like but we're just trying to say here >> they do it now. We should probably do it once on the agenda, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Because we've moved on. I I mean my guess is if we do it at committee of the board and uh Chris Rogers is there, he will put it in the
paper and then everyone will know. >> Make the statement at committee of the board. Yes, please go ahead. >> Chair, is it is it appropriate how the request just to follow our procedure? Is it >> Yeah. Is it appropriate and how we request the action item to the committee
of the board in the verbiage that dictates potentially the outcome of that? >> Does that make sense? >> Yep. >> We we've put a little bit of information in it. We could we could word it so that it would infer >> because it would it would allow to take
we don't have to take a formal vote, >> I think. Okay, let me reframe what I'm asking is I'm not asking for an agenda item. I'm asking for a chance for for the commissioners all to make a statement so it's crystal clear to the staff >> and to the public that this is not going
to happen probably. So that's what that's why I'm not asking for a vote moving forward. I guess I'm asking for us to make it clear because if I was them I can't it's hard to read you know people's so I think we should be clear with the public and very transparent. >> I know what you want is the procedure to
get there. Uh, if we didn't have this conversation right now, would you put this on a future agenda anyway to come back from the public hearing? >> We would have to >> in your role. >> Oh, we don't have to. >> No. >> No, you wouldn't. Okay. >> Unless the board asks to do that. >> Okay. So, great. I'll second it.
>> Okay. So, it's what I'm asking for is just for the commissioners to make a statement so the public knows what's going to happen or not so we can frankly put it to bed. >> Got it. >> If that makes sense. >> No, that does make sense. So, I'm not asking to start the wheels in motion. I'm asking just for make it clear to the
public where we're at. >> I will uh next week going to AMC, I will make a plan to see Senator Dascowski and tell him how he >> is not making trouble for you. >> Yeah, he's not getting thanks and praise
on his actions and how he he did this. >> Well, I mean that you're not based on what I'm saying. >> No, no, no, no. That's what Senator Dascowski did in his legislation. >> Some Yeah. I mean, what I've heard is that people are a little annoyed that
then counties are taking heat for a thing that, you know, >> Yeah. it's a state law. >> Yeah. >> I still feel on the record, regardless of which way it goes, that the public hearing was necessary to give everybody an opportunity to voice what they thought. >> Absolutely. I think it would have been a
disjust, you know, an injustice to the community to not do it. >> 100%. >> We agreed. Okay. Did you have something else? >> Um, I'd also like I've not talked with anyone about this, so this is coming a little bit out of the blue. Last night, I'm on the steering committee of the the homeless shelters in town. Last night,
we had a meeting at St. Paul's Episcopal Church. I want to make a longer story short. Um because of some plumbing issues at one of the churches, um the shelter is going to close on March 31st versus AP at the end of April. There are
still nights in April when it's below freezing and there's a public health issue. The question is um so here this is the hard part is the shelters will the night shelter will and not guarantee but will probably shut will close at the
end of March. There are still some days in April. So I'm not asking for um a shelter to be set up for one month for every night. I'm looking for an emergency shelter when it is deemed as a public um health issue. And what I want
to do I guess is look for a second to about possibly using the annex of the jail as a like a one or two night just overnight emergency shelter or if there's another facility that the county could use. I'm going through five or six different churches in my head and
churches don't have really have gyms anymore. So that's that's the problem etc. Um and we don't need to um and I realize there's a lot of concerns and we need to talk with the sheriff's department and others. I just want to see if that might be one option to pursue is to is for the month of April
if temperature is let's say below 32 degrees at night is to open it up not on a continuous it's not a shelter every night it's only an emergency shelter during severe or during cold weather. So >> looking to Steve
>> three-step process. Y >> you could get a second. >> Yeah. >> To have a conversation in which we would get three votes potentially. >> I I would just to have that conversation because I I hear like city lacrosse will do things when it gets tremendously
really cold. Um >> we're county not a city but >> and the city again I know we shouldn't talk about too much but and and this is not even asking staff to gather information yet. depending on the next meeting then we'll gather information and this is not the only option I'm pursuing. I'm going to be talking to a handful of folks >> depending on the meeting after the next
meeting but okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you. That's all. >> All righty. Super M. >> Yeah. Uh just I guess a few different reports. Uh Whitewater Joint Power Board. We canled the meeting as we know for those that don't know or do know. Um
you know we're actively looking to disband that group. Um, so there's still some just things that need to be done before we do that. So it uh that is to be continued as to when the potential last meeting could that that could be. Um, Roen
Bridge uh did we administrator Holy is it we had a little topic here come up about closing off one of the roads. Um is it is that coming to fruition then? Do you know? >> Yes, he's going to do that. >> Okay. Yeah. So, County 37 has been a road that's been circumvented with the County 26 bridge going out and it is a
posted road and they're seeing an excessive amount of truck travel going up and around. Uh it is the shortest cut across, but it also has auto seal on it and uh people are afraid that we're going to destroy that auto seal and it's very expensive. Um so they are going to
uh plan to temporarily close that road uh to through traffic and just to avoid the damage. Um currently a lot of the reroute can be done on two state highways um and then back through one county highway. Um so taking highway 74
to 14 back to 33 to get around that bridge closing. So it's a it's a temporary thing. U my suggestion was it will probably stir the pot a little bit. Um, but we we've also got to protect, you know, what's going on in the roadside. Uh, so we got white water, we got road and bridge. Uh, did you make it
to the soil and water commission? >> Not. Okay. So, I had >> I didn't see your message in time. >> Okay. Yeah. So, I had every intention of going in fact early in the week. I called uh the administrator Wanda there and we had a conversation just about some needed staffing changes and things uh happening and just some local events.
Uh, I got stuck out in western Minnesota in that wonderful blizzard out there. Um, so it was pretty well everything was shut down so I couldn't get back in time Thursday morning for that. Um, I attempted but couldn't uh wasn't going to make it in time. Um, so with that, you know, obviously we're coming into uh
coming into that time of the year where we're going to start to see roadbands put on. I just ask that uh you know, people are respectful of the roadbands. It is uh something that uh does save the county a fair amount of money in townships as well as state. It all comes out of our pocket. So, um, do the best
we can for that. And then I just wanted to thank everyone for coming out for the gun, uh, uh, the rifle situation today. And, um, you know, as controversy as some topics can be, it's nice to see public input. So, um, yeah, that's it.
Uh, I don't have anything else. Thank you. Um yes, last week we had our regional immun emergency communications services meeting and that's the 911 system and dispatch and everything. Uh that meeting is uh furtherly but it we meet with the
sheriffs and the uh county elected county commissioners and um talking about budgets earlier. Uh there's going to be some major monetary demands on upgrades to equipment in the next couple years and that's something that we need to start planning for and uh make um
somehow you know that we're going to have our equipment upgraded and everything working. I'm not sure the timeline, but the sheriff and our emergency communications people need to need to give us more of a timeline what what equipment is going to have to be replaced, software and all those things.
And again in in the background there's always the little communication that should we join uh you know together with dispatch to maybe save some of these infrastructure expenses. Um so that that's ongoing. Uh next week we have the association Minnesota counties meeting.
I'll be planning to see our legislators up there and I guess my message to them is do no more harm. >> That's right. >> Huh? >> Quit transferring money on >> Yeah. Do do no more harm. Don't. And didn't it used to be a policy of the legislature? They had to provide a
fiscal note with any legislation. I don't know where that went. >> I think it's still a requirement. It was only a state fiscal note. It doesn't I don't think it fiscal impact on counties >> on counties. But I I want to ask them where that legislation is and how often do they really Yes. impact what they're
shifting and and and doing uh for us to us and in spite of us. >> So I will carry the message to them. Thank you for doing that. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> All right. That takes care of me. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> No. Did Commissioner My >> No, she didn't. >> There second.
>> Second. >> Awesome. >> Okay. Commissioner Nelson moves. Commissioner Olson seconds. Uh adjournment. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. If anyone's opposed, we are ajourned.