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Okay, it's 7 o'clock. That's the meeting. I'll call the meeting to order. And we're going to start with a pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag to the flag of the United States of America

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>> and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. little time there. >> He's talking to me. >> That's

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wonders of modern communication. >> One good EMP would knock it out. >> All right. Uh, do I have an motion to approve the agenda? >> Well, let's I got to find it first. All

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right, Louie moves to approve the agenda. Anybody second or a second? >> All right, Everett will second it. Uh, approval of the minutes. Anybody see anything that Dcy did wrong?

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>> You got to vote for the agenda approval. You did. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All those in Do we have to do this roll call, too? >> Okay. Louie. >> Yes. Hi. >> Wow. >> Marsha. >> Hi, >> D. Uh, >> hi. >> Yeah. And, uh, Mike.

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>> Yeah. Here. >> Okay. You're approving the agenda, right, Mike? >> Yes. >> Okay. And I'll I'll approve it, too. So, it's passed. The agenda is approved. Uh,

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now we'll go on to the minutes. Uh the minutes I didn't see any corrections, so I'll move to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Marshall moved to approve and Louie second it. Uh I'll roll call vote again. Louie. >> Hi.

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>> Marsha. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Ever. Z. Um I'll go. Hi, Mike. >> Hi. >> Okay. The approval of the minutes is unanimous.

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Uh updates. Now, we don't have Jordan here yet. So, uh Marsha, >> um did we have everything's been approved that was presented to the county board. I apologize. Was there something on last month's >> Well,

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>> we didn't have a meeting last month. >> We didn't have a meeting last month. >> Petitions. Yeah. >> Month before was the uh project south of me that uh Randy Torst did. >> Yes. And that was that was that was approved. >> It looked that way the way the contract

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construction was. >> Yeah. So, anything that's been presented. >> And as far as board of adjustment, um there was no meeting this month. Um they didn't meet earlier today. So, nothing to report there. >> Oh, okay. All right.

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Uh, you got a comprehensive plan update or >> um I can give you a quick uh comprehensive plan update. Um um steering committee met uh in May um and um finished up review of the uh

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um the chapters uh different elements of the plan. Um at this point we're kind of moving um uh towards the end. Um you know you kind of see the end from here. We'll be drafting uh pieces of the plan and getting those out for review. So um

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piece of the plan will come in each chapter one chapter at a time. Uh we'll review them internally and then getting get them out to the steering committee for their review before posting them online for public review. and then it'll be posted um um throughout the the

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review process until it um the plan comes forward to the planning commission. Um we'll have a public openhouse um tentatively scheduled for uh August, but we'll see if we have um a

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draft plan ready at that point um as well as a steering committee meeting um around that same time. So >> I have two questions. Um this public online thing,

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>> did they can they respond online too? >> Um I that's what I'm told is that there'll be a capability to do that. Um so we'll see how they um how they roll that out, but >> but that's the intent is to get it out for the public to review and comment on. Um as well as the future land use map.

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Um um future land use is probably the first thing that you'll see um on there. Um and I'm thinking we'll probably have that for internal review next week and so maybe in a couple weeks uh it might be available for posting. >> Okay.

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Um I think that's it for updates. >> That's it for now. >> All right, Steve. Yes, I I think we do not have a quorum uh because online we they can't uh we can't see them. Uh and

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as far as uh the members participating in the meeting, they have to be able to see and hear each other. >> Mike thought we could see a mic. Mike, can you get you have video capability? >> I I do, but uh do I have to go log into

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the Zoom to get that? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it won't work over the phone. Can you log into the Zoom? But who is um 5072504784? Your your phone and everything's off. Is that a member of the planning commission?

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>> If they're logged in on their phone, they have to hit star six to unmute. >> Yes, usually. That's the usual. Nobody's responding from that phone number. Hello. >> Yeah. >> Okay, finally. I got unmuted. It

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wouldn't let me. This is Steve Holmes. I've been trying to get in to the Zoom and the Zoom and Zoom link isn't working for me. >> Well, both my >> same thing with me. >> So, then what do we do?

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>> You can't can't make any decisions. I can try it and try it again here. >> Yeah, I'll I'll work on uh trying it again here as well. But it only allowed me to call in. It didn't

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allow me to go in any other way. >> Okay, just a second. Dicey's working on something. Let me just see if mine >> was going to go resend the link. >> Keep an eye. >> Could Dicey text me the uh the Zoom link? She's

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>> she went back to the office >> to see if she could reset it. Just see if mine weren't sitting right here. >> Maybe you just want to resist the meeting for five minutes and >> Yeah, let's recess.

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>> Okay, Lou moves to recess and doever it takes and seconds it. Uh, now do we have to get them to Is this another roll call? >> Verify we're here. I know that. Yep. and it'd be nice to get there get something done.

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>> So, we're going to recess for five minutes and everybody understands that both online and in the room. >> That is correct. Five minutes. And hopefully Dye can send us the uh the a

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good link to get into the Zoom. >> All right. Thank you all. >> Yep. Keep an keep a eye out for that uh link. I think DICE is going to be emailing it >> and okay >> going to be here in person as well but

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um obviously he isn't here. >> No >> is he reach out to you at all Eugene or Jordan? No. Jordan's >> here. >> You want to sign in for him, too? Let me see if I can >> and it's frustrating when you've used it

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and it doesn't Mike and Steve the um she's resending Dy's resending the link email. She's working on sending a text. >> Yeah. See mine >> yeah it doesn't >> mine says joining meeting. I don't know

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if I need Okay. Now can you see me? Not yet. >> We had a green rectangle, but that disappeared. >> Now you're a circle. >> Now you're just a circle on the phone again. talking

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to the petitioner and he got email. >> Okay, I think I find spot on here now. >> No, you're not on screen yet. Wait, no. Something came up on the stream. It said admit. So, >> well, they know who's got all the money.

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>> Yes. >> Admit me. What does it say ever up there? >> iPad entered the waiting. >> I think somebody has to let them in on this end. >> Yeah, usually. But >> well, we'll have to wait for Dicey to

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get back. Steve, >> see mine doesn't. Mine off the link here. >> Mine shows my picture on there. So, >> a good thing. >> Dicey. Steve says he's got up there. Admit. So, can you admit him?

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That >> I believe >> recording in progress. >> Okay. Okay. big thanks to Dicey for getting that email out. And I don't think you need to start the meeting from scratch, but you probably

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want to take votes again. >> Okay. All right. Um, we can do that with just the one, right? I'll let you see if you can get through Dicey to Mike. >> We might.

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>> We got Steve up there now. All right. You >> we got qu then that's fine. Yeah. >> Okay. Everett seconds both of them. All right. All we have to go online. So, I'll start with you, Steve. Do you

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approve the agenda and the minutes? >> I approve. >> Okay, then Everett. >> Yes. >> Marshall, >> this meeting recorded. >> Yeah. So, the agenda and >> I think Mike came up too.

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>> Oh, okay. Mike, can you get on on the screen now? >> He's on there. >> Yeah, he's on there. But are you muted, Mike? Yeah, we can't hear. >> There he comes. Maybe.

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>> Did that make any difference? >> No, not >> doesn't say. It doesn't say. >> Okay, here we go. >> Okay. Can you hear me now? >> I can hear you, but we don't have a picture. And that's what we got to have, right, Steve?

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>> As long as Well, you got a quorum with Steve now, don't you? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We can move forward. >> All right. >> We'll figure it out another time. >> Yes. >> All right. So, let's move on to the petitions.

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Docket PC 06-18-261. Lou, you got her right. >> Thank you, Eugene. Um it's got a presentation as usual that we'll run through. Um Steve, it's good to see your face. Uh

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no more uh always good to see your face, but even extra tonight. >> Yes. >> Um so we're uh meeting tonight. So, we have one petition uh to allow a land disturbance in excess of 1,000 cubic yards

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um pursuant to chapter 10.7.59. Um the petition is located in New Hartford Township Section 9. It's part of the uh Zeni subdivision um and uh encompasses lot five and out

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lot A of the subdivision. The zoning district for this area is CD community development and um the uh proposed land alteration or land disturbance is a total of 10,500

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cubic yards uh of material to be moved. Um the map here shows uh the inset shows uh roughly where um NOI is located in the county for anybody who's not um familiar. And um the map there shows the the areas

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in yellow are the approximate areas where the majority of the um um material is is going to be placed or is placed. Um and then shows the um the rest of outlot A. I wanted to also point out that um um that the petitioner also

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lives on an adjacent parcel. Um and that's the one that's up off of Traven Court. Um it is adjacent to the outlaw a um the larger parcel and it's shaped kind of like a backwards L there. If uh everybody can see that that's the

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petitioner's home. is actually owns three parcels and the um um the fill is being placed on parts of the of two um >> in red Mr. owns. >> Yes, >> I think he owns the red

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>> both both of those parcels plus the one other where his home is um as well. Um the access to the sites I have down at the bottom there is coming off of um County Road 5 and um crosses Dwayne Drive and enters the property on outlot

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A um which is the um the larger parcel there where the arrow kind of crosses. So that'll come up later when we talk about access and impacts to that public road. Um so just wanted to point that out now and we'll talk about it some more.

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Um so this is a um uh site plan provided by the uh the petitioner. Uh it shows existing uh grades uh in gray. the the gray lines show the existing slopes and

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and grade of the area and then the the light blue lines that are tighter along the edges there are the proposed final grades. So you can see how it would um um take it from being a more gradual slope to being relatively flat on top

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and then a 3:1 slope on the BMS um on on each side is what's being proposed. Um uh it also shows area for um um a salt fence and a burm um for erosion control measures um to be included.

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Um uh also uh on this map shows the um um the uh the access on Dwayne Drive in a lighter shade. So you can kind of see the area of Dwayne Drive that's being impacted by um by hauling.

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Um so lot five which is the triangular lot the smaller triangle triangular lot um is proposed to receive approximately 400 4,892

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cubic yards whereas outlot A would be proposed to receive 5,634 cubic yards approximately for that total of 10,526. Um like I said, um the pre-existing

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slope was around 10% uh about um and now they're going to relatively flat on top, but then the 33% or 3:1 slope um on the um the new the new um um embankment.

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Um so some project uh details um to go over. Uh the reason for this the fill is to make out lot uh A and lot five uh more easily um buildable. Uh they want

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to use a slab on grade construction type for lot five and then a uh a shed a storage shed on out lot A on the same on the location where the fill is going. Um so that's the reason stated um for the

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for receiving fill and changing the grades. Uh Dun Blacktop Company is the um is the hauler or the contractor. They're they're contracting with Mandot on the u eastbound uh on-ramp to I90 um

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that they're redoing. And they had part of their contract was to u um um remove a certain amount of fill. And so that's why they're looking for places to place it. And um this opportunity came up for the um for the petitioner. Um I first uh

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heard about this in March that um uh the petitioner approached the county and um of course it was uh they wanted to get going right away. There was a time frame that they had to have the project done by and um we're looking for material to

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be moved and uh the county worked with them to get a grading and filling permit for up to thousand cubic yards of material while they at the same time started working on their application for the conditional use permit. Um I will say that the time frame is a little bit

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off because um they had to be hauling they were they were hauling um back in April and then they uh resumed like the middle of May or so um because uh the the the the contract with Mandot was to

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have the the project largely completed by um by about like mid mid June. So about now. Um so that's been going on kind of simultaneously as they've been moving through this um cup process. Um they do have some erosion control

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practices identified including the um um the installing those downs slope BMS to catch uh water um from leaving the site. um erosion control logs and matting is um um is anticipated um for final um

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erosion control um especially around where the um the culvert is located um and then um some silt fence and then um seating and mulching um at the end of the project. Um

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um the those BMS were made out of uh top soil that was pulled off of the site and so that was retained and they plan on spreading that on top um after the project is is done to uh um to uh to uh help and and aid with receding.

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Um and then um I wanted to mention um well number one that they have been using a water truck to uh help control dust and um Dun Blacktop company also um it's important um ahead of time approached the the township about um

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fixing the portion of Dwayne Drive the the township road that was destroyed. it wasn't it doesn't have the um structural um uh the structure to to handle the the hauling the base to to h to to to handle that. So the um the black top broke up

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pretty quick after the truck started hauling on it and um it is their intention to uh to fix that. Um I don't have a lot of details on that piece but um I think um we can talk about it more uh later. Um and there is a condition

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also attached to that effect that they that they fix that. Um the the plan was reviewed by the SWCD and uh um I visited the site with them on um the 28th of May. uh they reviewed it and um there should be in your packet

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a report from um soil and water with comments that was passed along to the property owner and um and the contractor. um um comments were provided uh um I guess the the overall u um gist of those where

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there were some comments um for um suggestions but um overall they thought that the project and the site was being managed um well so um um that was good to hear at that time. Um the petition is for an interim use permit since it's a

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temporary use. Uh the hauling and the the placement of fill. Um once that is complete and they've got the site buttoned up, final grades, seating um everything else um then the uh interim

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use permit will um expire and um um and end. Um next slide. Uh we do have some photos uh to give you an idea of what the site looks like. U on the left is uh what the site looked

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like on our May um 28th site visit. Um and then on the right is uh just earlier this week I visited the site to see what it looked like and took some more photos and it looked like they had um um they had if not finished hauling they're

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looking like they're pretty close to hauling material. Um this is from uh just east of the um of out of of um of lot five um looking back to the west uh on both

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pictures along Dwayne Dwayne Drive there. Next slide. Um, so this is looking north from Dwayne Drive. On the left is that uh May 28th um site visit. You can see where they're at. Um, the houses in the uh in the

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background there are off of Traven Court, the the other road in the subdivision. Um, and um, you can see the uh the stake there is the property line in both pictures. >> That's not the property line. That's actually where they're going to go up to

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the property line. There's another 20 feet or so over. That's right. Um so that was marked to to mark the extent of um of um of disturbing the property, but there is um another 20 ft or more that

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Mark can kind of comment on later, but um of um of that parcel that's uh undisturbed. Okay. Um this is from the May 28th site visit and shows the um um one of the BMS uh that was put in place to help control

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material with all the rains happening. Um and I think it it did a decent job it looked like um to that effect. Uh there's another one over on outlaw A along the lower portion of that um of that area as well.

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Um, and here is uh the last photo I believe uh looking to the north from County Road 5. You can see the nice County Road 5 pave pavement in the in the foreground there. And then um uh the uh Dwayne Drive where it's been um

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disturbed uh and broken up. It looks like maybe they even came in and put in some gravel um temporarily um over that portion of the road. Um it should also be noted that you can see the access there. That's where all the trucks went into. So, they all entered out lot A and

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then moved across to lot five on along the lower portion of the parcel to uh minimize the um the impact to Dwayne Drive and you know minimize the amount of road that they'll have to replace. Um

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they uh petitioner did approach the the township um and completed the township acknowledgement form and the township uh um reviewed it on May 14th at their meeting and indicated support on the form.

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Next slide. Um um there are four um as as stated earlier the the staff analysis is for an interim use permit instead of a conditional use permit in this case. And um there are four conditions for

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consideration um in the staff report and um included with this the findings of fact. Um, with that, uh, any questions for me before we hear from the petitioner? >> That

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whole red that whole valley, how big of an acreage is that? >> That red. >> Oh, the outlaw. >> Pardon me. >> Sounds right. Um it should be noted also that um that that parcel outlaw A has

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been um there's actually outlaw A is actually larger um pieces of outlaw A have been uh have been split off and absorbed into neighboring parcels. So you can see those narrow parcels that border it. Those were all are all part of outlot A that have been split off and

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then um um added to land um of those adjacent property owners. So, there's been a bit of parcelization over the years. Yeah. Um, and I think people just wanted a little bit more space on their lots there. Maybe septic systems as they

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went in, they wanted a little bit more space to to install something. And um um and they were able to add pieces of that to their um to their holdings in order to accommodate that. >> Exactly. Yeah. There's no um there's no

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um um um community services or of any kind. Yeah, it's all on-site well and septic on each site. So, in looking at the like um at at this property, um if they're going to build a new home, they are going to have to show that they can accommodate a septic system, I would

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imagine. Um I think that's either going to be tried to be put in on the on the side lot there area that wasn't disturbed um or they could, you know, potentially look at um another part of outlot A that hasn't been um um disturbed by this project. But they'll

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have to find a undisturbed area for a type one um septic system to serve it. >> I'm having trouble finding >> page 34. got 34 and 35

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towards the the very back. Um yeah and um yeah it is indicated as supports. Sure. So with the one individual at the current time owning both properties, can

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they use any kind of community well or community joint septic system with the two parcels being that they own that whole little >> um parcel? Do you mean that if could they use um both parcels to accommodate that? Yeah.

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>> Um yeah, they could >> because it does say you can't put a septic on, >> right? Right. Yep. >> And a well could be shared. >> Have a well. >> Yep. And it could be I guess that could be on the other property. I would imagine that that would go, you know,

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probably in front of a home. um you know or you know it would be a 50-ft setback between a a new septic system and a and a coded you know a new well. >> And just one other thing how know but I don't how far down the valley is the

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closest approach to >> um you know I I I looked at that when I was reviewing it. Um >> yeah I mean it winds um it winds around quite a ways. Um and um um I guess I'd have to look it

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up. My memory isn't serving me >> because you put in some very large culvers. We did change the direction of the wad. >> Well, >> it's still going downhill, but I mean it >> it all ends up uh so there is a you can

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see in the picture actually there's a um um there's a drainage way that's um in the kind of the dark line there. um the they're put they've put in a culvert um to pull the water from above from like county road five and down and so

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that'll all end up in the same place. Um, anything coming off of these two lots also drains to that same drainage way. And >> yeah, and the one thing that it does change is um it looks like some probably

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a very small amount will drain off of the site to the west and then around and back over. Well, to zinc new culvert on their property under five that also is going that way. I think it all I think

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there was that was just a replacement. I'm not sure. >> Yeah, >> there was culver work done on zinc which is across on five about where it says you know up close to where site access. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Starting to funnel a lot of water down

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into that area. >> Yep. Yep. And I I I noticed like the upper portion between County Road 5 and the site was um this with with the rains that we've had um was uh was eroding a bit as well.

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Um and that's uh that's mainly on um Dwayne Drive road right away. So >> any other questions for Thank you, Lou. >> Thanks. >> Now, does the petitioner wish to come forward, state your name

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and address and give us your perspective? >> Sure. >> I'm Mark Henderson. Um, my address is 42185 Traven Court. Um, I purchased this property in January and the opportunity

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come to get the fill. So, I had to kind of act fast and it's all been learning curve for me. So, I've been talking to Lube many times since January and uh I just want to get it filled and make it buildable. Um I want to do it the right

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way, do what I got to do. I I don't know what else I need to do from here, but I'm willing to do what I got to do. >> Anyone have any questions? >> I do have a question. Um soil and water on page

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they recommended it. um you're going you know it's you're filling it up but it's it's pretty sloped on the on the side I call on the back side. So they did say here in number three ensure the slopes of the finish grade do not exceed 3 to one if slopes are exceeded amoring such

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a retaining wall or other practices may be necessary to stabilize the site. So will those slopes be more than 3 to one? I I saw one other things what 33%. We what I have planned is when done when they are done there, I have a contractor

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coming in and we can make the slopes that they need to do. If I need to cut some of that out, move it around, make the slope what it's got to be, we can do that. >> Is yeah, 3 to one is pretty ste >> what what what do we need to see or what do we want?

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>> They didn't put a recommendation in here, but they're just saying do not exceed 3 to one. You know, >> I can talk a little bit to that. Um usually the maximum slope that they want to see um is 3 to one because that's the you know you can you can get it stabilized with vegetation.

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>> Um you can mow it. It's steep but you can mow it. Four to one is um is definitely more manageable. Um but um um but 3 to one is the maximum. That's why they say if it's going to go more than 3 to one that's really not something that they foresee being able to be stable. Um

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um and then so you need something to like rip wrap or um ret retention wall in order to stabilize that slope. Um so that's the the plan is to stay flatter or at 3:1 or flatter. Um >> the only the it's your it's okay with

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you because it's your land, but if you were building next to your neighbors, it would be a big problem because you might discharging a lot of stuff on your your property, but you own that whole chunk. So don't sell any more off or you might be in trouble. I'm playing on it.

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>> No, it's just little. Go ahead. >> How far are you raising the rod up? >> What's that? >> How much Bill? How many feet that fire? >> Well, I don't know if I could answer that. >> 10 feet. 12 feet. >> Oh, I'd say 10 feet for sure in the

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back. >> That red part drops down pretty pretty fast. I mean, so he's not impeding any of his any of his neighbors because it does drop off quite a bit. >> You know, that lot was that is a lot yet there with a well access to it, but you

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know, it was sloped pretty good. It'd be hard to build a house there without bringing Phil in. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I just want to get it so it's ready and >> yeah, do that. >> So, um, this is Steve Holm. the petitioner have any concerns about

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the fact that you can't uh put septic systems in that fill area? >> No, I actually I I believe we got enough room. I stayed Lou mentioned 20 ft. I think it's more than that from my neighbor and I'm thinking that'll be a

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good area for the septic system. If not, I believe I can put it on the other part. Can I? That answer your question, Steve? >> Well, yeah, if the I just wanted to uh make sure that that was something that he was aware of.

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>> Yep. >> Yes, I am. >> Reason I stayed away from the the line so far. Um in the there are four conditions and uh the third condition says the hauler done blacked out company will repair any damage to the new

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Hartford Township Road Lane Drive incurred during the duration um which which is okay but it needs we need to hold you responsible because >> I need to make sure it's done >> you land no I have no authority >> you don't have anything in writing

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>> yeah done blacktop and I did talk to the township and I'm a member of the town I live in the township I don't want to have to pay for a road >> that I can't that I won't use. So I we need to change that that you the applicant and then if you have a contract that's done that's fine but I

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need to put your name I feel I need to put your name in that condition not done done blacked out and then again the township did acknowledge that they have been told that it would be done but they would like something in writing also. >> Well I'll contact Dunn and see if I can get something like that but I understand

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what you're saying. I have a question about the road is, you know, I think a lot of people don't believe that road was done right in the beginning. So >> yeah. So when you say fix the road, fix the road to what it was. >> Well, they're saying the the original I

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mean, so it needs to be paid. Yeah. >> Yes. Oh, it'll be paid. But I just I just want to be clear that everybody knows it wasn't done right. So I just want to make sure that repairing it to what it was is acceptable. >> You need to work with the township. But yeah, I've heard complaints over that, but that's nothing that I did.

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>> Yeah, I know. I know. I know what happened, but >> yeah, >> I don't need to say. >> It just was path that was paving, but it needs to get paid. >> All right. Any other questions for the petitioner?

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>> Just uh just one more. Steve Home again. Uh the sinkhole probability is uh is very high. Uh, does that factor into any of this? >> I guess I don't understand the sinkhole. Can you explain that to me a little

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more? >> Uh, well, apparently when they went through the uh checking for uh uh the area and that they said that the there's a high probability of sink holes in that area. Now, I'm not sure exactly

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what that means. Maybe somebody else there could explain more of what that means. >> Yeah. The water report that commented there 17 Yeah, I'm not sure that this would

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factor into it at all, but uh it's just interesting that the that they found that there's a uh large number of sinkholes in the area and this is a fairly um uh populous area.

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>> I guess I wasn't aware of it, but Wisconsin is a great big sinkhole. What are you What are you worried about, Stephen? >> Oh, I'm I'm not really worried about I'm just just uh pointing out that uh they said that's a high probability of sink holes in the area and I was just curious

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if that was a concern. >> Thank you, >> Steve. Typically the sinkhole density will follow drainage paths. So when you get the rolling topography where water consistently flows, you're going to see

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higher densities of of sink holes um because they do follow where infiltration is occurring. >> Okay, >> answered my questions. Thank you. >> Any other questions by anybody?

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Okay, thank you. Thank you. >> Motion to open the public. >> Okay, Louie. Oh, Lou, >> just real quick. I'm I'm sorry I didn't mention this before, but I wanted to um bring up that we did get some public comment um just recently. Um and we

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placed that on your um on your desk. I also received an an email from some from an additional person uh today expressing support. Um and so um this is uh this was submitted by the applicant but um it's signed by a number of uh neighbors

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in the area all expressing their support. So I just wanted to um um enter that into the record and um draw your attention to um to that which uh came in today. So >> all right move to open the public

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hearing. >> Marsha will second it. Uh, all right. We got to go roll call again. Lou, >> yep. >> Marsha, >> yes. >> Yes. Dwayne or Ever? Yes. >> Steve?

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>> Yes. >> Okay. So the public hearing is now open on whatever the thing is for dash 6-18-2601. Anyone wishing to speak to this

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petition, stand up, state, come to the podium, state your name and address and say what you have to say. And now we don't have anybody from the audience online, do we? D I see. Okay.

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Well, I don't see too many people. For the second time, who is there anyone wishing to speak to this petition? I got to do it three times, Steve, or four? >> Three. >> Okay. For the third and final time,

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anyone wishing to speak to this petition, please step forward and say what you have to say. Well, Louie, now do you move to close it? >> Correct. Yes, I move that. >> I'll second. >> Wayne.

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>> Dwayne will second it. Louis move for it. All those in favor of closing the public hearing say Whoops. We'll >> start with you this time. >> I Yes. >> I

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>> I >> Okay, the motion to public hearing is unanimous and it's accepted. Um, I guess now it's up to us, including Steve.

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Any discussion? >> All right. Um, this appears to be what used to be basically wasteland. Um, we're looking for places to build houses, so I think this is kind of the perfect spot. I understand there was a

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time commitment here, but Blacktop knew this before. that they were dirt. Their previous contract was signed a long time ago. Um, therefore, I'm in favor of passing this,

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but with conditions changed from Dun Blacktop to the applicant's name, that he is responsible for all damage to township and county roads and neighboring properties if any of this

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water happens to wash out back side of their lawn. And due to past um presidents I feel double or after the fact

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>> any other discussion >> well I totally agree with the and the applicant understands we don't we can't deal with done black laptop and um what what what is the current fee that was I mean timing was everything but

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like Everett said black knew that they something. >> Steve had reviewed that recently and the indication is that the doubling is part of the current county fee schedule. So, it's technically not anything that the

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planning commission needs to decide. Uh it it just administratively technically it does apply. Now, we need to clarify that due to some past practices and that's what we were going to do. uh later this year for the 2027

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operating year. >> Technically, it's it's it's in effect. So, we've we've gotten some clarifications, >> but we don't have to worry about it. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Thanks, Ros. >> Well, and I agree with Ever. It it's kind of a place that maybe houses should

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be built and u downtown's getting pretty crowded. You know, we got a stop sign there. I just don't want to see a stop light go up someday. >> Can I ask a question? >> Sure. Yeah, we'll allow it. There other road.

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>> No. And and five. Actually, we're redoing the county is redoing five through that part of of downtown this summer as part of >> as part of where you're driving. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Well, uh, far as doubling the fee, I

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don't know. I know the argument about coming after the, you know, hooking the horse up after the car after going out the door. But this is some situation that had to get done in a timely matter. that might

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be related back to done because when the opportunity come to get the dirt you got to take dirt available I don't I don't think you should be penalized taking dirt to help a road project out

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>> well my only comment is uh >> I understand I said Matthew's will make it yes >> uh >> already on the books >> last year when they fixed 14

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that permit was not okayed. So that person or that contractor had to haul the fill before the permit was approved down to the quarry on 43. Now, that wasn't a big problem, but because they

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could haul gravel back and I realize this has already been moved, but I I I still am in favor of doubling the permit fee. >> My understanding >> we don't need to

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administration conditions. I think it was a I think it was a target of opportunity to get >> Well, I'm not disagreeing with that. >> And if you turn around, our meetings are a little bit later and to do it. I think there should be a little bit leeway in

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situation. When a when a gift horse comes along, you shouldn't be looking his mouth. And I think you should have every right to take it without having to have additional feed. But I do agree Matthews knew it was coming. They they could have put their horse in line a little bit better.

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And and I am researching what that on-ramp at I90 by the crypt costs all of us. I think it was very I stopped and talked to an engineer today. >> Well, you got you got to see the boondoggles going up at Marian. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> That's beyond this meeting. Yeah, >> just just with some additional clarity, if you wanted to make a recommendation to the county board, I do have the authority under the ordinance to wave the fee or adjust the the the penalty fee, but I would defer to the board's

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input on that if you would like me to wave that. So, that would be that that would be for the county board. >> I think we'd be setting a bad precedence by saying, "Okay, this one's okay, but this one isn't. Um it's it's just going to be difficult

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to justify later on why we didn't uh why it wasn't done with this situation when we were uh asked to asking to do it in another situation. So >> all right is there any further

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discussion on this petition? Seeing none, does somebody >> I would move approval of it with the finding as >> modified. >> All right. Is there a second? We'll hold

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it in just a second. >> Sure. I just want to confirm the language that that we're changing. Uh, so it I've revised it to say the owners of the property shall repair any damage to the New Hartford Township Road, Dwayne Drive, incurred during the

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duration of this project and return the road to its condition prior to the start of the project or better. >> That sounds good. Thank you. >> That's condition three. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So now I think

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everybody's got their mind made up. Okay. So, the motion has been made and seconded. Uh, let's start with you, Lou. >> You approve or? >> Yes. >> Marsha?

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>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Ever. Steve? >> Yes. >> Okay. The motion has been unanimously approved. Um, your next meeting will be with the county board on July 14th at

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9:00 a.m. >> And we're just a factf finding group. They get the final say. >> Where is that at? >> This room? Yeah. >> Yeah, it's right here. and nor for normal uh if you want to call it normal

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it would go under a consent business unless somebody decides to pull it for more clarification which is rare. Um so it it's good to show up but it might be like a five minute >> anything or anybody with >> no not usually unless you hear from

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somebody that they're questioning this letter of support speaks all the you know your neighbors and everything. If this was all no, we don't like it, then you might worry. >> But county boards are unpre totally unpredictable. I caught by that.

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>> All right. >> Well, I I would like to add one discussion on this when it's a situation like he had chance to get some bills. Now, he went and did probably everything to permits to get it, but we did not act that fast here. We only meet once a

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month. So maybe the instead of trying to double the permit, he should had some authority within the uh zoning and planning committee to get the approval to do it front up when this bargain came. >> I mean you you I mean there are places

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there are Yes. But he has been there. That's why I'm arguing not to sit there and double on the poor man sitting there when he got a gift horse. I mean there's other situations that come from this board that these people blatantly

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didn't they did it first and then asked later. Now that that's a situation. This isn't exactly a blatant. It's a target of opportunity and you either took it that day or that time or you don't get it. >> Well, it's in the feed. So, county board

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if you want to bring it to have staff to county board the county. >> I can bring it up. But that is something to be brought difference in plain people blatant >> blatantly violated. That's one thing. This this isn't that situation. This is

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something where the man got offered >> get divorce and he had an opportunity and place to do it and he took it. >> I don't know why because he could take it. He'd have to pay more money for it for it to happen. >> Now sitting there planning it for years. He's going to build a house and that and he put everything in there and sit and

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had the house up then came here. That would be a little different situation. This isn't what we're the situation we're dealing with. >> Well, I followed they followed the code and the slopes and stuff, you know,

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wasn't where they did something wrong, too. Besides, >> I mean, everything was followed here, but there was no intent to evade. >> Okay. Is there any other business before this commission? >> Um, thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like

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uh maybe have Dicey pull possibly moving this meeting up to six o'clock. Um 7 o'clock staff is waiting around considerably longer. We've moved a lot of our meetings up to, you know, a little earlier. I maybe do a poll of the

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committee and and uh see if people are interested in moving it up to six o'clock. I don't know if that works for staff or not. I know you're kind of hanging around for that extra hour. In the dead of winter, it's hard to come in. It's hard to come in at 7 o'clock at night in the dead of winter. Tonight, it's fine to drive in, but um just maybe

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Dye could or staff could poll and see if we might want to change the time of our meeting. >> We need a motion to change the time. >> Well, we can't do it. >> We can't do it tonight, right, Steve? >> Right. I think if Dicey maybe just gets

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a sense of the board that you had discussed. >> Yeah, >> total board >> at one time we had some board members that worked out of town and it wouldn't have wor >> I know >> but I just think it might be better use of our staff time and and our residence

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time >> it was based on everybody's milking cows. Nobody milks >> cows anymore >> unfortunately >> but not enough people. >> Okay. So Daisy could just pull the group. We can discuss next put on the

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agenda for next meeting please. >> All right. Um is there any other discussion on anything? >> Motion. >> Louie moves to ajourn. >> Dwayne seconds it Thank you for your cooperation.

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>> All those in roll call. >> All of those in favor. We got to do roll call there too. >> Yes. Yes, because you got online. >> Um, I for all the rest of us. Okay. >> Okay. >> I Miller,

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>> we're going home. All right.