thing I'd like to call to order the regular city commission meeting for this the 25th day of August 2025. We will have a um roll call please. >> Commissioner Dolison >> here. >> Commissioner Mercer >> here. >> Commissioner Dancler
>> here. Mayor Prom Yates >> here and Mayor Birdong >> here. We will have our invocation by Pastor Danny Bennett of the St. John's United Methodist Church and will be led in the pledge of allegiance by Vanessa Castillo, MMC city clerk.
Let us pray. Almighty God of grace and of wisdom, we gather this evening in gratitude for the gift of community and for the opportunity to work together for the common good. We give thanks for the leaders who serve this city, for the
staff who support them, and for the neighbors whose voices guide the work of justice and peace. We are especially grateful for those who serve in our police department and for their efforts to move toward a fairer and more just city through programs like diversion
initiatives. May this work be a sign of hope, restoration, and a deepening commitment to equity for all who live here in our beautiful city. Bless this meeting with clarity of mind, patience in discussion,
and courage in decisionmaking. May those gathered here be guided not only by self-interest but by compassion, fairness, and a vision that uplifts the whole community, especially the most vulnerable among us. In the presence of one another and in reverence to the
values that unite us, we offer this prayer with humility and with hope. Amen. >> Amen. Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. We have one uh special presentation this evening. This is to recognize several of your staff members who have recently
completed the Florida State University program for certified public management. I give you a little background before I recognize the individuals. A little bit about CPM. So the certified public manager program is a nationally recognized leadership development
program for public managers and supervisors is currently offered in 42 states and by the federal government. Florida State University has been participating is one of the oldest CPM programs starting in
1979. The program consists of 31 days of classroom instruction supplemented by homework assignments and open book exams. There are eight 4-day courses known as levels 1 through eight. Uh this program takes about two years to
complete. City of Winter Haven has participated in this program since the early 2000s. Uh and our staff when they participate in this are in a class cohort that is comprised of other uh people in the public sector from
throughout Pulk County. Um, oftent times we have members of the sheriff's office, other municipalities, state offices, uh, DOT, a variety of different folks in the classroom with our our own students that are there, our own staff. Creates a tremendous learning
opportunity. So, last Thursday, uh, our most recent cohort completed their studies and graduated at a ceremony held in Plant City. uh was held at the Hillsboro Community College facilities there. I'm going to ask uh Deputy
Manager MJ Carnival to come down front. I will join him momentarily, but I want to invite these people to come forward. They have all completed the program. We have a a plaque to to represent their significant completion and they will
join the ranks of other CPM graduates that we have here in the city. Uh Jill Dental with Winter Haven Police Department. Jill, if you'll come forward. And if you guys will just come straight to the very front, we'll uh we'll get a nice photo up here with
everybody. Myra Donnelly also with the Winter Haven Police Department. Mr. Hunter Hart with the Winter Haven Fire Department. Joshua Hendris, who is with our public
works operations is specifically in fleet maintenance. Candace Lighty with the Winter Haven Water Department. Amanda Joe Nicholson who you all know with the city manager's office.
Anna Gloria Quintana also with the Winter Haven Police Department. Charlie Robas, Winter Haven Fire Department, and Deputy Chief Michael Waters, also with the Winter Haven Fire Department.
So, as I said, these folks have completed two years of education through the Florida State University CPM program and are now officially recognized as certified public managers. All right, everybody right All
right, you're good. >> Congratulations. Mr. Mayor, I'd also like to point out that um while he's not part of our team, uh young man by the name of Bradley Dolison, who is with the Lakeland Police
Department, was also uh graduated this past Thursday in that same program. So, >> extend uh congrats to Commissioner Dles's son for completing that program. >> All right. Thank you. All right. We have
no developments of note. Commissioners, you have three sets of minutes, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Motion to approve August 6th special city commission minute meeting minutes. City August 6th city commission
agenda review minutes and August 11th city commission meeting minutes as presented. >> Thank you. I will close the commission meeting. Open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to these minutes may do so at this time. Seeing none, close the public hearing. Reopen the commission
meeting. Is there any discussion? All those in favor of the motion, let it be known by saying I. I. >> I. Opposes by the same sign. Hearing none. >> The minutes are adopted. Okay. We have uh two people that uh
would like to uh speak to the commission. Marcelus Stannis Loss, would you please come forward? State your name and address for the record. And you have five minutes.
Good evening. My name is Marcela Stannislouse and I live at 364 Pasco Court in Winter Haven, but of course that's out in the county, so I'm not here speaking on the county, but I'm here representing the Poke
County Voters League. and I thank you for this opportunity to address you, the commission of Winter Haven, on an important matter. I wonder if any of you know the significance of these two numbers, 15.29%
and 11.34%. Well, if you don't know, let me let you know. They represent the turnout for the 2023 November municipal and December runoff elections in Poke County. And yes, they're very low.
This is the same trend seen in many other areas of Florida and other states, especially when the elections are run in years when there is no presidential or midterm elections. Nationwide, many people do not realize
how much impact officials elected in local and local municipal elections have on many aspects of their daily lives, including decisions made around housing, utilities, road repair, and policing.
Working with other nonprofit organizations, we have set a goal to work towards raising the participation rate by 2% or just over 2,000 voters this November for municipal elections in Winter Haven,
Fort Me, Auburnale, and Lakeland. Data from a local issue survey conducted in many areas of Poke by the League of Women's Voters shows that voters are most concerned about the following local
issues: safe schools, gun violence prevention, access to affordable housing, access to health care, quality teachers and education. We are now developing a campaign called
Vote Local on November 4th and are working on materials to increase awareness of local elections through stickers and postcards and what we call our bookmark campaign.
The plan is for a social media campaign and for each organization to talk to voters at voter registration events. farmers markets, football games, and neighborhood association meetings until election day.
We think that with a lot of hard work and some funding, we can help the residents of Pole County see that voting locally is just as important as voting in state and federal elections and that in fact their vote may have more
importance. So, how can you help? You can help by letting us know when you have events where members of our coalition can meet the public to raise awareness. You can encourage voter registration
events, especially at city libraries. You can work with us to fund billboards and other major advertising efforts. You can assist outreach through social media. Having one point of contact to work with
would be important and would be wonderful. I would ask that you get in touch with Joe Sim who is the president of the League of Women's Voters Poke County and Randy Barnes who is the president of
Poke County Voters League so that we can work together and I hope that you decide that this is an important issue for which we can go forward together. Thank you for your attention. >> Thank you.
>> The next person is Linda F. Would you come forward? State your name and address for the record, please. You have five minutes. >> Thank you. My name is Linda Fe. I live at 3691 Plymouth Drive in the Traditions
community. Um, I've spoken with you all before. I am the vice president of the HOA of the association of 595 homes. I also serve on the regional community council which represents 13 communities along the Thompson Nursery Road widening
project. Um, this weekend we did have the opportunity to uh send an additional communication over to county manager Bill Beasley regarding concerns continuing along the Thompson Nursery Road expansion. Um I've noticed in the uh transportation
planning organization uh Mayor Birdsaw and Commissioner Yates and Commissioner Mercers your participation in there a couple of concerns have come up on that uh which directly impact Winter Haven and certainly I hope as you represent the city of Winter Haven on that
commission that these things ring uh continuously uh as you represent our communities. One of which is the uh the forwarding of requests for funding from the state Florida Department of Transportation. Uh the draft is coming
up at your next meeting on forwarding funds uh to the next calendar year. Uh the present funding as listed uh for the Thompson Nursery Road expansion only takes it from Highway 17 over to West
Lake Ruby Drive and it does not continue over from uh Westlake Ruby Drive to 27. uh please as uh those three of you represent uh Winter Haven in this process if you'll make sure that funding through grants uh both state and federal
um are looked at to make sure that that project is completed. Uh certainly the other thing that the 13 communities along there uh in the city and represented by each of you um at the intersection of Westlake Ruby Road and Thompson Nursery Road uh the Publix is
now under construction. uh the Publix along with 7-Eleven on the uh diagonal opposite corner of the intersection. Uh when we look at that at June of 2026, we have a opening day for Publix on the 25th of June 2026.
Uh that will complete 14 new commercial properties at that intersection. Uh which will create ongoing issues uh restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores. So, a 24-hour process. Um, also
on the south side where we've renamed uh Olsen, not Olsson Road, um, Ruby Yeah, Ruby. Yeah, Ruby Lake is now West Ruby Lake on the south side of Thompson Nursery. Also, there are two uh, pending
uh, residential units going in there. one by the Latiggo Group, one by the LW uh group with the anticipation of another thousand residential units where that's the only exit in and out of those thousand residentials which is right on the Thompson Nursery Road at West Lake
Ruby. So once again, um especially with traditions, our concern is the lack of uh looking forward for traffic signal at the Traditions and Winter Haven uh Thompson Nursery Road intersection. So once again, those three of you that
represent our community, the city of Winter Haven on that board, um we continue to address this issue through the regional community council and certainly through the transportation planning organization. Uh we thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. No one else has
signed up, but if someone came in and didn't have an opportunity to sign up, you can come forward now and state your name and address for the record if you'd like to address the commission. All right. Seeing none,
we have no ordinances. Second reading. Commissioners, you have the consent agenda. >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes. Motion to approve the consent agenda in its entirety. >> Thank you. Our closed commission meeting open the uh public hearing. Anyone
wishing to speak to any item on the consent agenda may do so at this time. Seeing none, close the public hearing. Reopen the commission meeting. Is there any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Opposes by the same sign. Hearing
none. The consent agenda is adopted in its entirety. All right. Our next item we have resolution R2541 which read by title only city attorney.
>> Thank you m Mr. Mayor. Resolution number R-25-41. A resolution of the city commission of the city of Winter Haven, Florida approving the city of Winterhaven, Florida asset management plan dated May 2025 relating to the city's wastewater utility system. authorizing the mayor,
city clerk, city manager, and city's water department director, and any other city officials to take all actions necessary to effectuate the intent of this resolution, providing for severability, conflicts, and an effective date. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. >> Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
As a condition of obtaining funding from the state revolving fund, also known as SRF, the city is required to implement an asset management plan or AM for the city of Winter Haven's wastewater utility system. The AM must be adopted by ordinance or resolution and have
written procedures for its implementation to be eligible for a financing rate reduction. The AM develops a systematic approach to the city's infrastructure from a 40year life cycle management perspective and provides a basis for achieving the maximum value of city assets through
analyzing risk, optimizing cost, and monitoring performance throughout the assets life cycle. An AM allows the city to proactively maintain and rehabilitate its systems to avoid costly emergency repairs. Staff recommends the city commission approve resolution R25-41
and authorize the city manager and other city officials to take any and other any and all further actions related thereto. Thank you. >> Thank you commissioners. >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes. >> Yes. Motion to approve resolution R2541.
>> Thank you. I will close the commission meeting, open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to resolution R2541 may do so at this time. Seeing none, close the public hearing, reopen the city commission meeting. Is there any discussion?
All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Opposes by the same sign. Hearing none. Resolution R241 is adopted. Resolution R242 which read by title only. City attorney. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Resolution number R-25-42,
a resolution of the city commission of the city of Winter Haven, Florida, electing to utilize the uniform method of collecting non-advalorum assessments, is authorized under section 197.3632, Florida statutes for collecting unpaid non-advalum special assessments levied
by the city commission. Adopting findings of fact, adopting a non-advelorum assessment role, authorizing the city attorney to certify the assessment role to the tax collector, providing an effective date. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. >> Mayor, commissioners, this is resolution
RF 2542, certification of code compliance special assessments for the 2025 tax role. On July 28th of this year, a public hearing was held before the city commission to allow affected property owners an opportunity to present objections and/or testimony regarding the cost of corrective actions
taken to bring the properties into compliance. Notice that hearing was published in the newspaper and mailed to each of the affected property owners at their addresses listed on the tax role. The city safe neighborhoods department is now requesting the city commission impose unpaid special assessments as
nonadalorum special assessments on the affected property owners tax bills and authorize the city attorney or his design to certify and transmit same to the pulk county tax collector. The purpose of this resolution is for the city commission to approve, certify, and authorize the transmitt of non-advalorum
assessment role to the tax collector utilizing the uniform method of collection under section 197.3632 of Florida statutes. The costs associated with the outside parties who will participate in this process include
uh a payment of to the PK county property appraiser of $330 and to the PK county tax collector. Estimated collection fees are $660. Staff recommends city commission approve resolution R2542 and authorize the city attorney or his
designate to take all necessary actions related there too. Thank you. >> Thank you commissioners. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Motion to approve resolution R2542 uh certification of the code special assessment
um for 2025 tax roll. >> Thank you. I will close the commission meeting, open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to resolution R2542 may do so at this time. Seeing none, close public hearing. We open the commission meeting. Is there
any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Opposes by the same sign. Hearing none. Resolution R2542 is adopted. Resolution R2543 which read by title only. City attorney. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Resolution R-25-43
a resolution of the city commission of the city of Winter Haven, Florida. Adopting the 2025 Poke County multi-jurisdictional local mitigation strategy update and providing an effective date. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. Mayor and commissioners, this is resolution 2543
adopting the 2025 Pulk County multi-jurisdictional local mitigation strategy. The local mi mitigation strategy or LMS as it's commonly referred to is a multi-jurisdictional plan developed to assess hazard vulnerabilities, identify mitigation goals, and outline strategies to reduce
risk from natural, technological, and societal disasters. Pulk Countyy's LMS is updated every 5 years to main eligibility for certain state and federal hazard mitigation funding programs and to comply with the disaster mitigation act of 2000. The 2025 Pulk
County multi-jurisdictional LMS was developed through a coordinated effort of the Pulk County LMS working group which includes representatives from municipalities, special districts, and other participating agencies. Following a comprehensive review by the Florida Division of Emergency Management, the
LMS received a determination of approval pending adoption that was received in June of 2025. This status confirms that the plan meets all federal hazard mitigation plan requirements subject to formal adoption by the participating jurisdictions, including the city of Winterhaven.
Adoption of the LMS by the city commission formally commits the city to cooperating in the countywide local mitigation strategy maintains the city's eligibility to apply for federal mitigation grants and ensures the city's hazard mitigation strategies remain consistent with countywide and regional
resilience efforts. There is no direct f uh fiscal cost or impact associated with this action. Staff recommends the city commission approve resolution 25-43 adopting the city of Winter Haven's designated portion of the 2025 Pulk County multi-jurisdictional local
mitigation strategy and authorize the city manager designated to take any and all actions incidental and necessary that are related to the city's actions andor performance under the city's designated portion of the 2025 Pulk County multi-jurisdictional local mitigation strategy. Thank you.
>> Thank you commissioners. Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> A motion to approve resolution R 2543 and public hearing. >> Thank you. I'll close the commission meeting and open a public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to resolution R
2543 may do so at this time. Seeing none to close the public hearing, reopen the commission meeting. Is there any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Poses by the same sign. Hearing none.
Resolution R2543 is adopted. Resolution R2544, would you read by Titan only, city attorney? >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Resolution R-25-44, a resolution of the city commission of the city of Winter Haven, Florida, approving an agreement with the state of Florida division of emergency management
for statewide mutual aid, authorizing the city manager to execute that agreement, and providing for an effective date. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. Mayor and commissioners, this is resolution 25-44, renewal of statewide mutual aid agreement. The state of Florida through
the Division of Emergency Management is requesting that all counties and municipalities update their statewide mutual aid agreement to the latest 2023 edition. The city of Winter Haven originally entered into this agreement on May 14, 2001, with the most recent
renewal occurring in 2020 via resolution R20-49. Pursuant to the Florida Emergency Management Act, the state and its political subdivisions are authorized to provide and receive emergency assistance during disasters, including the coordination and deployment of resources
across jurisdictions. This resolution authorizes the city to participate in mutual aid activities with other political sub subdivisions. It also approves and incorporates the updated SWMA into the city's comprehensive emergency management plan. There's no financial
impact associated with this action. Staff recommends city commission approve resolution R25-44 and approve the SWMAA and authorize the city manager or designate and other necessary city officials to execute the agreement with the state of Florida
division of emer of emergency management and to take any and all act additional actions necessary thereto. Thank you. >> Thank you commissioners. >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes. Motion to approve resolution R2544 and public hearing.
>> Thank you. Our closed commission meeting, open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to resolution R2544 may do so at this time. Seeing none, close the public hearing. We open the commission meeting. Is there any discussion?
All those in favor say I. I. Opposes by the same sign. Hearing none, resolution R244 is adopted. Resolution R2545. Would you read by title only city attorney? >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Resolution number R-25-45,
a resolution of the city commission of the city of Winter Haven, Florida, relating to municipal approval of plats and replats of land, making factual findings, adopting city policy regarding the administrative receipt, review and processing of applications for final plat or replat approval, providing for
conflict, severability, the administrative correction of scrier's errors, and an effective date. Thank you. >> Thank you, city manager. >> Mayor and commissioners, this is resolution R25-45, administrative plat approval process. In the previous legislative session, the
Florida legislature adopted Senate Bill 784, which amends part one of chapter 177 of Florida statutes to require that each plat and replplat of land lying within the city of Winter Haven's municipal limits intended to be offered for recording in the public records be
first submitted to the city for administrative approval. This act supersedes local conflicting plat regulations and removes all requirements to hold public hearings and obtain approvals from the city of Winter Haven Planning Commission and/or the city of
Winter Haven City Commission. The al the act also design requires the designation of an administrative authority to receive review process and approve approve with conditions or deny plats and replats. Resolution R25-45
formally adopts an administrative plat approval process detailing interim procedures and designating an interim city administrative authority while staff works to develop an amendment to the city of Winter Haven's land development code recognizing the requirements of the act. There is no
financial impact with this action. Staff recommends city commission approve resolution 25-45 and authorize the city manager or designate to take all necessary actions related there too. As we discussed during the workshop Wednesday evening historically plat have come before the
city commission for action. Uh this new legislation uh supersedes that and says we have to do that at the administrative level as we discussed. Mr. Labby has been designated as the administrative authority for that. So plats will be received by his office and comply with
the time frames and conditions for approvals and the processes. Uh this is an interim policy that we're putting into play and we will bring back to you at a later date an ordinance to amend the city's land development code that will incorporate basically this exact
same language but codify it at that time. Thank you. >> Thank you commissioners. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Motion to approve resolution R2545 and public hearing. >> Thank you. I will close the commission meeting, open the public hearing. Anyone
wishing to speak to resolution R2545 may do so at this time. Seeing none, close the public hearing, reopen the city commission meeting. Is there any discussion? >> Mr. Mayor? >> Yes. I'll just make a comment. So, I will I'm going to vote yes on this
because I'm not going to violate state law. But I will also say that I'm voting yes on this with prejudice because this is a clear attempt by the state legislature to circumvent home rule and it takes authority out of our hands. So, I just
wanted to get that on record. Anyone else? All those in favor of the motion, let it be known by saying I >> I opposes by the same sign. Hearing none. Resolution R2545
is adopted. We have no uh ordinances first reading. We have no new business. Commission Leison reports. Commissioner Dancler. >> Okay. Not a lot to report on from me. I
want to thank you guys for covering for me for the last couple of weeks as I have was out of town. Uh but that's um I'm back now. So um only thing I really did was I went to the city university inaugural dinner and dinner and looks like we have another good class and very
very uh pleased with the way that whole city has come together. Um a couple of items that I need to talk about tonight. First has to do with the TDC. Um, I was called while I was in California with my son that my term with the TDC had
expired. We have 10 year term limits in uh on the TDC or maybe 12 years, I don't know, but rather frantically uh was told that I need to um say my goodbyes from the TDC because of term limits. And so
um it's takes a lot of time as you know I report on that all the time and I have to find a we have to find a successor. So, I don't know if anybody has any interest in doing the TDC, but I'm asking if there is because I need to let uh we need to make a decision among
ourselves on how we want to do that and then I can let the TDC know because what you normally have an you have an elected people on the TDC and then you have non-elected and we need to have an elected from Winter Haven on there for sure. So, uh does anybody have any interest in taking my place?
>> Mr. Yes, I'd be happy to serve on the TA TDC if the commission supports it. >> That's a great idea. So, >> all right. >> Anybody in conjun with that? >> Yes, I'm fine. >> Okay, good. Well, thank you, Brian. I I'll make that happen. The next meeting's coming up.
>> I think it's this Thursday. Is that right? >> Um we can check and see. CJ, do you know? Is it I think it's this Thursday. So, that may very well be my swan song. So, I don't know. I'll have to find out about that. And finally, with this being the season of of term limits and um
elections, there's been a lot of things swirling around about my future. So, I want to clear it up tonight and just announce that here in front of all my commissioners tonight that my time on the Winter Haven City Commission is drawing nigh. I'm probably not I am not going to be filing for reelection for
this January, for this fall. So, I will have served 13 years come January. I feel like that's enough. We have 12-year term limits. Doesn't apply to us, but going forward, we have 12-year term limits. I will have served 13 years. So, I have decided not to file for
reelection um this fall. Now, I'm not endorsing anybody, and I might, I might not. We'll see how it goes, but as it stands right now, I uh I just want to let my fellow commissioners know that my uh time here on this board will end in January. So, and I have a lot more to
say about it at the proper time, but I wanted to give people that might want to run ample time to uh to file and and to uh do what they need to do to to potentially take this seat. So, that's it. >> All right, Commissioner Mercer.
>> Um, okay. I attended the chamber member appreciation barbecue in the breezeway. It was very good concept. A lot of people drop in and you can drop in and drop out, I guess. Um I also attended the Poke County Legislative Delegation
public meeting um at the fieldhouse and um the Florida League of Cities conference. I was there for seemed like three or four days. I don't remember. Um but uh they did have a lot of good items on there and um I guess
you'd say for that they also had the ethics class. However, I didn't need that because we had to file I had to have it before we could file in in July. So, but anyway, uh the um I also attended the CDU session and um the
first one and u uh you do a great job on that um and that we had the history uh from Bob Gernard and that's always pretty uh amazing stuff. So, um, and then I kind of left so they could do
their thing. So, um, but thank you very much. And I think it's it's a good addition and, um, it interests people in it and, um, also, um, they can support some of the things that the city um out
in the city so that the city does. So, thank you. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Commissioner Donaldson. >> Well, good evening. I uh I uh several things few things that actually be able to share. Uh but I will say uh Brad,
it's been really an honor to sit next to you and work alongside of you. Uh I know you know but I you're not you're not running but I am running. So I want to be clear that uh I am seeking reelection uh to serve on the commission for a full
term. I uh just about served the time for JP Pal. God rest his soul. and uh and I wanted to do it justice. Uh he was a great man uh friend and uh one I had great admiration and appreciation for and it's been an honor to serve uh at
this capacity in our city. Um so again I I want to thank you. God bless you in your endeavors. Uh had an opportunity to um be at the Pulk County Legislative uh delegation public meeting. Uh very informative. It's good to see all of
them together and to know who's fighting for Florida uh for for this area in particular, excuse me. And uh there are many challenges to say the least, but uh we have a great uh uh delegation. I think they've done a wonderful job also for the um was able to attend the
Florida League of Cities um conference. Uh very interesting conference. Uh great information. I think the uh the Doge uh uh session was quite interesting to hear that, you know, just straight on uh from
a representative from the governor's office. Uh very informative and I know a lot of people were probably uh uh well, I guess for lack of a better word, they were better informed, I guess, about what Doge actually is doing and and what is happening in the state of Florida.
also the attended the chamber member lunchon uh featuring Tampa Bay uh Tampa Electric, excuse me, and uh very helpful during this time of uh season of uh storms. Uh we're blessed so far. We got a lot of rain, but we haven't seen uh
you know, except the one that recently just came past. Uh but we're still being prepared and ready. I also had opportunity to have a sneak peek and I want to appreciate the uh city manager and also those uh just for the opportunity to go through the Winter
Haven uh recreation and culture center. Still under construction, still a lot of work to be done. Uh but I I will say what I did see uh was extremely impressive and uh I am excited about uh that new facility. I think it's going to
be a just a wonderful addition to uh the city of Winter Haven and I'm sure the citizens will appreciate the great work and all that is going to be uh done in that building. Uh also featuring in that building uh the culture uh of many African-Americans who have served in
Winter Haven uh over the years and uh and I think that's a great step forward as we uh seek to unite our community together. So those are the things that I was able to attend. >> All right. Thank you. May I prom?
>> Thank you. Um, so attended the Florida League uh as well. That's always, you know, you're drinking information by fire hose. I haven't quite got the analogy right
for the Doge meeting. um something along with a medical procedure that men need to really do at the age of 44 and forward comes to mind. Um
but you know, men should be aware and have those tests done as well. Um but the rest of the meeting was was fantastic and um uh really a lot of information and what I take away from the conference consistently
is um the conversations and discussions that we get to have with other elected officials throughout the state uh serving in their municipalities and hearing what they're dealing with and and what ideas that they have and uh
also sharing what Winter Haven is doing and and the ideas that we have. So, and really having a collaborative effort to make sure that we're able to continue to be making um being local voices for for
local decisions and uh and that's going to continue to be um on the forefront of any decision I ever make is it's what's best for the city of Winter Haven. Um, with that, I just want to thank
Commissioner Dancler for his time up here. 13 years go by in a blink, right? >> I still got five months, so y'all are going to keep getting hearing me. >> Well, I I'm I'm a little concerned that, you know, Well, I'm not concerned wouldn't be the right word. I just want
to see you in a Florida State tie one more time this year. So, we'll see. What What a better way to head out than to to be in Garnet and Gold. Maybe we'll even do it out a jacket or something like that to to really give you that >> we'll see
>> flare out the door. But, uh, no, in all seriousness, you've done this city a great service and thank you so much for your service over the last 13 years. Uh, and it's been an honor to serve up here with you. Thank you. Um,
see ahead. Oh, one more thing. So, the Florida League of Cities uh decided to make a vote on board of directors and I was nominated and elected to that position. So, I will now serve as uh on the Florida League of Cities board of
directors and can hopefully um you know again speak for Winter Haven in all of those meetings. So, look look forward to serving on that as well. So, >> good job >> with that. I'm done. I'm going start off
by saying congratulations and uh I know you'll do a good job. Thank you. The um the Florida League of Cities uh conference there. A lot has been said already, but the one
thing that u they encouraged and asked that we all do as cities the um the tax initiative,
they're pretty certain that it's going to come back and once the legis legislature is in session. We cannot as elected officials, we can't
have any real I not to use the word lobby, but that's the word they used. So that was really a major
uh concern for for all of us because uh that's all I'm going to say about it is that we need to we need to step forward and do some things. attended the uh lunchon
that was presented uh where Tico was the speaker and wouldn't you know it now they spoke about hurricane preparedness and getting ready and all the stuff that they're doing and
in my neighborhood in my neighborhood at 4 a.m. Saturday morning, there was an electrical strike
that apparently knocked out some transformers because the power didn't come back on until we were in the chief of police and I
were at a honoring first responders Saturday afternoon at New Bethl. am church and the program started at 4:00
in the dark with no air conditioning and after about an hour the power came on. So Tikico, I needed to call them, but at any rate, so and the the program
was good, honoring uh first responders and um there were representatives from the sheriff's department that was uh there as well. And so we all received a few even though I'm not a first responder, I received a little plaque as
well as along with uh the other first responders that were there. Um attended the uh the Florida Regional uh Council Association, Fracka, which is a state association. It was held in St.
compete. And um one of the things that has happened is that with uh with regional advisory councils,
they were put into place by legislature and so there were 12 of them. So, one of them was about to well, they've been inactive and so if
they uh voted to disband, then that would affect all the rest of us. So, pleased to report that they are back going to try to uh start again. In fact,
two of the counties in that area, which includes Sarasota and uh Folk Meers and Lee County, and it's they're back. So, we were happy that uh that that has
taken place. And so, that's pretty much it for me. And Commissioner Dancler, it's been my pleasure to serve with you all >> my entire career. >> Your entire career. And uh We really do appreciate you.
>> Thank you. >> City Attorney, I see that you have uh something that you want to report on. Senate Bill 180. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Commission. Uh pursuant to the commission's consensus at the agenda review last Wednesday um
on August 20th, I have provided to the commission a draft form resolution that was furnished to me by attorney Jamie Cole who is a partner with the Weiss Serotto Healthman Cole and Beerman law firm. Uh who that firm is located down
in South Florida. They specialize among other things in representing local governments. But it is a it is a resolution that pertains to a legal challenge to Senate Bill 180. You may recall Senate Bill 180 was adopted uh by the legislature at the
very end of the session and signed by uh the governor into law I believe on June 26 that went into effect on July 1. It's uh couched in terms of emergency management, but there are a number of things within that Senate Bill 180 that
uh operate uh in a lot of ways to restrict home rule and to restrict the local government's exercise of authority as it relates to land use, zoning, comprehensive planning, uh and development matters. Um the
Mr. Cole, uh, who you may recall is the attorney that's representing represented the city when we, uh, filed the lawsuit on the form one, form six matter. Uh, he's the same attorney that's representing or has proposed to represent, uh, local governments in this
action. This would be a state law action that would uh challenge the Florida constitutional basis of Senate Bill 180. The seventh whereas clause in the draft resolution that Mr. Cole prepared articulates some
of the bases on which the legal challenge would be grounded. Um among other things it would suggest that or alleged that there would you know the the bill covers more than one subject. the title was maybe vague or misleading and there are maybe usurps some of the
home rule authority that may may not be appropriate. But in any event, the discussion tonight uh is presented to you to see uh if this city desires to participate in the proposed litigation that challenges Senate Bill 180. And if
you have that desire, then um the suggestion would be to retain the Weiss Serotto uh law firm to represent the city. Uh I would suggest that we have a discussion on that this evening. There are, as you know, pros and cons in any
litigation. Um and I'm I I don't know that I have a particular uh recommendation. Um at this point in time, I I've discussed this with some of you. Um I've certainly discussed it with city manager. Uh there are um certain um
attributes that could be advantaged if we did participate in the litigation. It it it essentially requires a $10,000 uh payment to the Weiss Serot Law Firm for the trial court representation. If the case would be appealed, it would be
filed likely up in Tallahassee. It would be appealed likely to the First District Court of Appeal. that would require an additional $10,000. Um, pardon me, $5,000. And then if it got appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, again, after that, it would be
another 5,000. So, essentially a potential $20,000 uh u investment uh in this effort. Uh the Mr. Cole has indicated that they would not proceed unless they have at least 10 local governments to
participate in the litigation. Um it is not a federal court matter. So it would be a little unlike the the federal case that uh dealt with form six form form one litigation uh that was previously mentioned and um you know I I talked to
Mr. Cole last week and he said that there are approximately six local governments but more he expected as the month of August and the first couple weeks of September unfolded. His idea was that he would file again no unless
he got 10 uh local governments and that likely would file around the middle of September but um I just wanted to bring this to your attention generate some discussion can't discuss this but but in you know at a meeting and um if you you
know want to direct me to do any particular thing uh would be happy to take that direction and then move forward as the commission as a majority of the commission feels it's appropriate. I don't know if the city manager has any thoughts on this matter beyond what I've presented, but I did
want to present this to you tonight as you've asked at the workshop agenda review meeting last Wednesday. >> Mr. Mayor, I would just offer one thought on this and that is in dialogue that I have with, you know, the
folks I work with at the league, um, I think there is it's reasonable to believe that a glitch bill may be filed this fall uh through the committee work and then
certainly be considered in legislation that kicks off in early January of 2020. 26 in response to the uh the issues that are known to exist within Senate Bill 180. Um there's rumor of that and that's
really all that is at this point. You know, the a glitch bill is is intended to fix problems with bad legislation. There's no um known sponsor of any such bill. There's no uh preliminary draft of
any such bill that we have seen, but that is the general belief amongst some of the people that I rely upon in Tallahassee that we could see something along those lines. But and I just throw that out that that may be another pathway to resolve some of our issues
and the issues that most local governments have with Senate Bill 180. Uh just I mean as we've discussed time and time again, Senate Bill 180 which is intended to safeguard property owners in response to emergencies that occur goes
way beyond that and precludes us from basically prohibits us from doing anything dealing with land development regulation um dating back to August of 2024 and going forward until I believe October of 2027.
>> Correct. Unless there's another storm. >> And if there's another storm, then that clock resets again and goes even farther. Um, and as it reads now, anyone within 100 miles of a landfall and the in the path of that storm is uh subject
to those conditions. So, I just put that out that there may be a glitch bill, but we don't know if that's the case, but that certainly could be another means to address the the issues that have been brought forward. So, so my question is, and I'm kind of
relating this back to the memory of the the previous filing that we did with this firm. So, if we did move forward, are we going to be excluded from following the rules of Senate Bill 180
or do we still have to follow those rules until a final determination has been made? like likely uh Mayor Prom Yates uh not likely but you we would have to follow the Senate Bill 180 rules. Um in in this instance there's a number of different avenues of relief
that I would expect that they would seek. One of which would be perhaps a a preliminary injunction. Um but I don't know uh and I'm not certain in state court how that would uh work versus the federal issue. uh you know when we're
comparing it to the form one form six litigation matter. So my answer to you is that you know we would need to follow the law until such time as the law was either found to be unconstitutional and the appeal periods had had elapsed or there was a stay or uh you know legal
legal maneuvering if you will but but you would have to follow the law whether you chose to challenge it or not. Um, now I guess the correlary to what you've said is if you don't participate and there is a lawsuit, does the relief, if there is any that's afforded in the
lawsuit, does that um affect the city if you're not a party to the litigation? And I will tell you that in general, this is not prop this is not explained to me to be a class action lawsuit. Uh this is not explained to me to be um a
lawsuit where they're looking uh for as I said class action status. I don't know the answer to that question. Um it would seem uh it would depend on the type of ruling and the type of scope of relief
that a that a trial judge or a court would give. If you may remember in the in the ethics the form one form six the the federal judge in that case fashioned a preliminary injunction that applied to all municipal officials whether you were
a party to the lawsuit or not and that was based on principles that they annunciated in the in the preliminary order. Um, I don't know whether that would be the same basis here or not since this would be grounded more in a state court or a state constitutional
theory, but it's conceivable that it could be, but I don't know the answer to that question tonight. It's I I I would say and recommend that we follow the law until such time as either a court or or
the legislature, you know, changes it. John, what what uh time frame >> in in terms of how long the litigation would last? >> I mean, for them to file. >> My my understanding, Mayor, is that uh
Mr. Cole, when I spoke to him last week, >> indicated again that he he wanted to have at least 10 >> local governments >> uh you know, join up before they would file anything. and he was looking at middle September
uh as a time frame to file something hoping that they would be able to have at least 10 local governments. He indicated that there were six uh and that he expected more. That was last week. So I I haven't talked to him again. I I I will speak to him. Um you
know, but I I I would expect if something's going to be filed that it would be middle September likely that it would be filed. So, do you know who those six are? >> I do not.
>> The form one, form six. Uh, how many did participate in that? >> Oh, there were hundreds. Um, and there were hundreds of individual elected officials. If you may recall, that was in, you know, that in federal court, the the actual municipal corporations were not the plaintiffs. It was the
individual elected officials of each city that were the plaintiffs in that action. Um so that was a little bit different. >> Wouldn't it be reasonable uh that uh if in fact there is a you know relief
regarding this uh 180 that um that would be across the the uh state itself or would affect everyone but not necessarily just those who enjoy the uh the lawsuit. >> Um but it I mean I'm sorry your question was is it reasonable >> to everybody?
>> Yeah, >> pardon. >> It'll apply to everybody. it it you know I I think that would be hopefully the expectation yeah >> that it would given the way it would be ruled on I think it likely would be the case. >> I just can't give any assurance that it would but it's likely that it would it
depending on what the finding is. Now of course they could you know a court could decide you know against uh the plaintiffs uh local governments and which case there would be >> you expect more but you say there's not
10 yet >> not as of last Wednesday when I spoke to Mr. Cole, but he indicated to me that he had every expectation that he would get to 10. Um, but they haven't, as of last Wednesday, he hadn't gotten there yet. But I will I I do plan to reach out to
him and find out if there are if he's reached that number >> with the You think that's very low at this point? >> Um, I I it's hard for me to assess Commissioner Dalison because when I asked Mr. call that question. He said a
lot of the uh you know since July 1 and since they've had you know about a month or so to gather research and do their do their uh their legal due diligence that a lot of commissions are either not meeting or they were on summer you know hiatus or they you know what have you.
So some commissions only meet once a month and so it's it it was sort of kind of a a summer break if you will and so you know and after the Labor Day when they really get back into the that does that dynamic doesn't work here in Winter Haven we never seem to have a have have
any kind of a break but um that that was that was how he explained it to me was that a number of the commissions and other cities around that you know may not have had an opportunity to reevaluate it. Mr. >> Go ahead. Go ahead. First,
>> um, John, do you remember when Lakeland sued SwiftMUD for their permit, their water permit, and there were a lot of people around here that didn't? Some of the smaller cities did not join that lawsuit. Lakeland won. And so now, the
smaller cities have no water, in desperate need of water, Lakeland has plenty. So >> yeah, I I do remember that, Commissioner Mercer. Um I don't know that their prevailing in that particular litigation could explain why some cities have why
Lakeland has water and other cities do not. But I >> Well, they cut they cut like I can give you an example of Dundee. Um they had over two million gallons a day at one time. They cut them back to 9,7
okay 917,500 gallons and all of the smaller cities like that got cut um almost more than half and um >> that must have been some time back then. >> Yeah, I've been around it for a while.
>> Yeah, probably more than 24 years ago anyway. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, >> yeah, I I think I see your point. If you don't, if you do nothing, you stand the risk of >> Yeah. >> got not getting anything. Correct. So, >> I I I wouldn't disagree with >> keeping what you got either. So,
>> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Well, as you all know, I am absolutely not afraid of a fight, particularly when it comes and I think we should fight more. And as as you know, uh with form six, that was that was something that we uh
we joined and we prevailed and I'm glad we did and I'm appreciate the support that we had um from across the state. Uh so, John, a couple of questions. um if they file first of all is there any
other law firm out there trying to start one of these class actions or is it just this particular one that's contacted us or >> this is the only one that's contacted us that I'm aware of but there there are likely other other there are other lawsuits pending I know that uh regarding certain aspects the other way
around where developers are suing uh Manatee County and maybe there's developers suing Oyola County uh based on Senate Bill 180's provisions, but I'm not aware of anyone in this posture who has solicited or who has approached to
uh to to to do this. >> I'm no fan of Senate Bill 180. That's clear. And and I don't like any attempts on attacks on home rule, which this is. But on the other hand, we as a commission have to decide if we're going to get known as a suer, as a as a as a
as a as a commission that likes that will sue people. And I personally don't mind having that reputation, but we need to be careful that if because I trust I assure you there's somebody in Tallahassee that's watching who's joining these lawsuits. And we're seeing
right now with some of this Doge stuff, some commit some com some cities are are being um looked at a little more closely than others and we don't want that to happen to us because of some lawsuit that we joined. So, but having said
that, I got no problem fighting back. And the cynic in me says this law firm is uh after to try to going to try to file a lawsuit, going to try to make some money, maybe do some good. Hopefully, they'll do some good, but
they got to get 10 people to do it. T says there's potential of a glitch bill. That basically just means legislation to fix the problems. So, is there any way that we could potentially join the lawsuit if there's not a glitch bill filed or is there any rush because
they're meeting they're having committee meetings next week I think or two weeks from now to see if there is actually going to be some sort of an attempt to correct some of these problems and we can file after the fact or we could potentially be the number 15 city that joins instead of the number seventh city
to join something like that. I just don't want us I don't necessarily want us to be known in Tallahassee as that sue city and one of those cities that sue all the time. You know what I mean? >> I do. And and just so you are refresh your memory, if you may recall on the
federal lawsuit, we were not the first parties. And and and in litigation, complaints that are filed are often amended and parties are often added u you know as the litigation progresses. And so yes, there there there likely would I and I had a discussion with Mr.
Cole about that and there likely would be an opportunity for a city to join in after the initial litigation is filed. Um depending but yes I I just to frame it for your reference that's how we found ourselves in the in the form one
form six >> litigation. We actually the the case the the lawsuit had already been filed and we got in on either a first or second amended complaint. Uh, and so I think that that could be a possible path forward. >> Well, but to Commissioner Yates's point, when we filed when we joined the
lawsuit, the five of us didn't have to file form six. We could still do form one until the lawsuit was settled because we were parties of the lawsuit. So, we bought ourselves a year at least of having to file that darn form. >> I I think the only reason you didn't have to file the the lengthy form was because there was a a preliminary
injunction entered that >> was not because >> No, no. That enjoined Okay. the Department of Commission on Ethics from from enforcing that law and and and and it said that form the lesser form that you'd always filed was sufficient. So
that that was because a federal judge entered an injunction. >> That was that was known going into the vote though. We we we had that discussion and before we ever ever even voted on it and I I voted no against it um personally, but you know the
commission voted yes so we moved forward with it and that's fine but we that was part of that discussion before we ever made a decision up here was that we would >> uh temporarily have the waiver of
completing form six back and listen to it but I don't recall saw that that the preliminary injunction was issued at the time we joined >> and that was maybe maybe a more formal preliminary injunction. Maybe it was a temporary stay. >> That's what it was >> on on us having to complete it and then
the preliminary injunction came afterwards. >> Yeah. I don't I don't recall it exactly that way. I But in any event, it's not the point is that that in that case the court's order applied statewide to all elected officials. And um to get back to
your point, Commissioner Dancler, yes, you know, we could join probably I would guess at any point, you know, any any earlier point in time, you know, the case gets to a certain status, then it becomes impractical or or a court might not permit other parties to join in
depending. But but in this instance, uh there could be an opportunity earlier on uh in the process for for parties to be added. When do they start having their meetings up in Tallahassee? Is it two weeks? >> October. They're going to start. That's I just looked at the calendar before I
came in here. So, they'll uh they fire up in October. >> Mido October, early October. >> We'll know then whether there's going to be some sort of an attempt to fix this. I would think. >> I think it's something we continue to watch. And um certainly, like I said,
I'm I'm engaged with the league on a weekly basis and that's you know, this is a hot topic. Um, you know, I'll just weigh in that I don't think you have to make a decision this evening. I think it's I think it's good that we have the information out there. You're aware of
it. You understand the pros and the cons of of engaging. Um, you know, I'm not an attorney, nor do I pretend to be one, but I would have to and Commissioner Dawson, I'm going to think rational and logical, which doesn't always go handinhand with the legislature on some
stuff. And I may get smacked for saying that, but that's the reality of it. Um, Senate Bill one bill 180 is an example of that. I think it'd be hard to apply Senate Bill 180 to those cities that didn't apply didn't join a lawsuit, but not to those that did. I don't know how
you you do that, but um I think that we've got some time and if you know if that goes through, if if Mr. Cole is able to secure a minimum of 10 agencies that are willing to participate in that lawsuit. Looks like it'll go forward.
And if there's an opportunity to join that through an amended motion at some point, um, great. But I think you've got a little bit of time at least until your next commission meeting. I don't think anything's happening before September 10th, but that would just be my
professional thought on it. And and that's why in the fact sheet um I indicated certainly you don't need to make any decisions tonight. It was conversation discussion to do what we just did the pros and cons and then if there's um we can certainly report back on September 10th. You meet again on
September 25th. You have two more meetings frankly this month. Um I'd like to have a conversation again with Mr. coal and find out, you know, if there's any more mass that's been added to the uh equation, if you will, um and uh and
see what uh what what's what as it relates to uh these matters. >> Yeah, that's important. I think uh you know uh from a practical standpoint uh 180 is a is really a uh challenge for
you know for all cities of safety just from the issue of home rule that the mayor has mentioned all that's under attack. So either you fight for what you believe that is important for the city um or we don't. So I think you have to
decide you're going to stand up. Um because that's the only option we have at this point. You know we can just pretty much you know everything that comes down we basically have to deal with. We understand that. But I think that when there's overreach and it appears that this is creating a
challenge is great for developers but it's a it's a headache for cities. Well, and more than that, um, I agree with, you know, your your your observations are are well well taken, but I think in addition to that, there are some real
fiscal impacts that hit local governments. um you know not only attorney's fees and costs if you are if we're sued by uh anyone there's a lot they they've enunciated a very broad basis for
standing uh you know that uh citizens and and developers and owners of property and people that can bring lawsuits against cities if they contend or allege that we have violated uh or created a more burdensome or more restrictive
regulation or what have you. uh in the context of of what's been uh passed into law and um you know we've done some things recently that have a fiscal impact >> um that you know could be challenged quite frankly um and there are some
counties that are being challenged right now or lawsuits that are pending around the state. So it's it's a landscape that you know we just need to be mindful of. This is a way that um was you know uh forwarded to me from the law firm uh and
so I just present it to you to make sure that you know you have the opportunity to understand and have these good discussions um and and you know we can come back to this. >> So I I would suggest you go ahead and prepare everything as if we were moving forward and then let's have a discussion
on this on September 10th. That would be my thought. And you know to address Commissioner Dansler's concern with the Doge, I I think and I agree with that entirely. I think the one area we can
look to is we continuously hear from our constituents that we need to change these plats and subdivisions and make lots bigger and and do those sorts of
things to, you know, try to control the the growth that's continuing to happen. And we can't do that if if this bill exists. So, I think our constituents would tell us, "Hey, you need to spend
$10,000 so you can continue to help have that control locally." That's what I mean, that's my gut feeling is what what the citizens of Winter Haven would say because this takes away any possibility of trying to say, "Hey, your lot's got
to be this big or this small or your setback's got to be here or there." Um, that that would be my my thought on that. I I would suggest if everyone else agrees, get everything ready and then let's talk about this on September the 10th and we can probably still have the
time to actually file it if we move forward at that to be on the original filing would be my thought. >> I'm going tell you right now I'm not prepared to do those until we know what's going to happen with it. If there's going to be a glitch bill, if there's going to be a glitch bill, I
just assume wait. If there's not, then we that'll that'll add a whole another dimension to our discussion. But if there's going to be an attempt by somebody in the legislature to fix some of these things, I'd rather let them fix it instead of putting a bullseye on our back as Winter Haven's always looking to sue somebody. You know what I mean? And
that may or may not be true, but that's just what comes to my mind. And I sit here and I know how things happen. Maybe we don't get that bullseye on our back, but >> Well, I think I think I I don't I think your points are very well taken. Everyone's points. There's some train of thought that might suggest if you might
not get a very good glitch bill unless you have a litigation. >> Yeah. >> And you have and you have the hammer of a of a potential successful lawsuit and then then you might get a better glitch bill. >> So I mean there's competing viewpoints maybe that >> you're right >> could be taken into consideration but
it's ultimately a call >> for the for the commission. Well, clearly T, you're in contact with the league quite often and you're talking to them and they're telling you what they're seeing up there. >> So, >> lobbyists as well. I mean, we'll we'll continue to watch it and report back.
>> Yeah. >> Well, since we are not going to actually vote tonight, we'll have time in almost three weeks >> to consider again. Well, Mayor Prom Yates suggested that and I didn't I
haven't heard from how you all feel about it, but if you like, I I I can prepare a resolution that's specific to Winter Haven and bring it back at least and put it on the agenda. Doesn't mean you have to support it. Is that something you want to uh to direct me to do and invest that time and effort into
that or would you rather me wait >> along the lines of what Mayor Prochem said? >> I'd rather be ready to go if we needed it. But that's just me. >> Well, even if if we didn't,
it would be another two weeks if we decided and didn't have a resolution. >> Correct. >> Ready to go. >> It would be Yeah. I think you have meeting on September 10th and you have a meeting on September 25th. That's >> this September. And then you have meetings >> and the the committees are not going to
meet until October. Right. >> Right. So to your point, Commissioner Dancler. >> Yeah. I mean >> there would be no uh no consideration unless the league
would have some idea of of course in the discussion which they don't at this time but I think they're looking to file the suit in midepptember >> going into the October session as well. >> That is my understanding. Yes. >> Oh okay. >> How about John? if you at least find out
who the other cities are and who's contemplating joining, will he at least tell you that or >> he probably won't tell me the identities until I've asked him that and and he's indicated. I I'll have further conversation. Um he can give me the numbers. I I'll have further
conversation, Commissioner Dancler, on that issue. Um >> I think you know when I when I was at the league the conference I think when I and I was trying to describe the uh the doge session and uh I think probably the
thought the feeling was that it had a chilling effect on everyone in that room. uh because I think the message is clear that uh you fall in line pretty much or else
and the uh it was described pretty much what would take place if you didn't in many ways and um I don't know this is not something that cities have had to necessarily deal with here before but it is the reality today I guess the
decision vision then is how do we how do we go forward? How do we maintain home rule? How do we uh try to do what's in the best interest of the citizens uh locally here and not pander always to
what's being done, you know, up the line. And uh and that's a sad commentary today is that uh you know that again that feeling was very chilling in that room uh after uh after that session. Uh I didn't talk to a lot of people about
it but you can look on the people's faces and got a clear indication that this was it's not it was not just information was shared. It was telling me what we're going to do and we do it any way we want to do it. So uh so John, how much time does it take for you to
prepare? Oh, this won't this won't take very long. >> So, I mean, Brian, it's up to you if you really want to have it ready by the next meeting. I'm not sure I'm going to support it until I know anything about a glitch bill, but maybe. But maybe in the end of September, but I'm ready to put
this thing to bed. I >> I'm fine either way. It was just my suggestion. I just like I'm a planner, so I just like to be ready to roll in the event we're ready to roll. And if you know, we can't we can't do anything between now and then to instruct
city attorney to move forward. You know, I mean, maybe I maybe I guess we could do it at the agenda review if we needed to, but I don't know. I was just looking for John to earn his paycheck, but move on to the next item um on that
issue. But I I appreciate that member Yates. I'll take direction from of course majority of the commission. However you want to give me direction. I'm I will say I'm very grateful I'm not a politician. Um and I'm not a policy maker. Those are tough things that you all have to do and things that are you
you all articulated matters that are very important and that you need to give consideration to when you make decisions. So I don't I I understand. I don't present lightly. >> I mean nobody's jumping on board my suggestion. So just wait. I will I will I I'll I'll go along with what you uh
have proposed because I think that uh uh like uh you know form 16 uh that was important uh for to a lot of people and I think this is this is the implications here like I said from a practical standpoint
this thing will have a tremendous impact and it's a safety issue as well. So you know there are a lot of implications here I think that uh we have to really give consideration to. I think it is important to have the bass because you you should have more you would think there would be more who would join in
this because they know the impact that it's having in their local uh municipalities. So I agree with that. >> If it doesn't move forward we just shred it and that's correct. Well, I I I sort of uh follow the lines of the thinking
uh that Commissioner Dancler simply because with the form six uh that was a totally different sphere because even though it was put
forth, now we're dealing with our legislature. that are still there looking at us. So I I'm We can see in two weeks.
>> It's up to you. >> All right. >> It's two two. So >> as I'm seeing the split, so >> Oh, I I think we should be prepared. I think we should have in our hand. >> Okay. >> All right. Three, two. All right. I
mean, this this is nothing that's set in stone obviously, but um we'll uh we'll move forward. Thank you. >> Yeah. Because you bring it and we still may not vote for >> correct. Understood. >> Yeah. >> Mayor, Commissioner, I think that the information gathered between now and next week. We'll be critical forward.
>> Yes. What's the tipping point that you want to be involved? You need to be involved. There's a lot >> Thank you very much. I appreciate your um >> city manager >> deliberations. >> Nothing this evening. Thank you. >> Deputy city manager.
>> Nothing this evening. Thank you. >> City clerk. >> Nothing for me there. >> What do we have? Uh >> Mercedes. >> Mercedes. >> Emergency matters not received for the agenda. >> Motion to adjourn.