##VIDEO ID:qyu3tWVgJ0k## third meeting of the the Florida onewater commission we had our initial kickoff meeting in July uh at at U Mark is the Florida environmental Perman school so this is the third meeting and we have a much smaller crowd today than we did yesterday we had whole year but it's good to have the commission together and with that I'm going to uh hand mic off to our city manager T Michael savz just to give you a little bit of Welcome to to the city thank you Gary good morning everybody where's the energy level is it cuz it's so cold if you get up and do some jumping jacks about every 10 minutes you'll stay warm you'll burn calories you'll be able to eat more come next Thursday okay if you get injured my HR department's right upstairs they'll be happy to fill out the forms for you um who was here yesterday everybody here yesterday okay who wasn't here yesterday well welcome um I hope you enjoyed your time here yesterday I know it was a great program I heard great feedback from those I get I did get a chance to talk to if you were in town last night hopefully you got to see some of Winter Haven and um kind of what our community is all about what we're trying to be what we're uh achieving day by day um in terms of your your meeting this morning you know I'm not as familiar with the the Florida one Water Commission I know you know certainly Gary's role in that what he's shared with me and and some of the the members of the team that we work with that are heavily involved in that but it is something that is very important to us because it aligns with exactly what we're trying to do here in Winter Haven I talked yesterday just for a few minutes about you know why this is so important to Winter Haven and I was I was sitting in my office late last night thinking you know it's pretty cool that we have all these water experts from around the state that come to Winter Haven and talk about water and this is like the big issue for us so when I got in this morning I went and found a couple of things I just wanted to share with you I mentioned yesterday that we really started this one water ethos without even knowing really what it was I mean we had some aspirations of what we we felt we needed to accomplish so Mike Brit I went back into into my my shelves and I found this document and I remember the day remember the exact day that Mike Britt I sat in then City Manager David Green's office and we were talking Mike was given a very heartfelt speech about you know the how how all this water ties together and what we need to be doing differently he wasn't utilities guy at the time he was our Lakes guy and our storm water guy but he wasn't really on the Water Department side and he was pitching this so just so passionately and David Green said I'm sick of hearing you talk about it go do it right it was 2006 and in 2010 we published this document um Winter Haven sustainable Water Resource Management plan uh with the folks from what was then PBS andj I don't know what PBS andj is now it's it's it was Atkins then it's now something else to think and we'll see what it these names change constantly but immediately after that came out we spent a whole lot of time in Tallahassee and every person that we could get in front of we gave them a copy of that and we expected to walk into offices and see that on their coffee tables on their the little stands by their seating areas to help promote what we were doing at the time um Adam putam was was the uh secretary for the Department of Agriculture and he really embraced it and I remember walking into his office about 2 years after that came out and it was sitting there on the desk and what was more impressive than it being there was that when I kind of thumbed through it there were sections that were highlighted and underline and that was that reassurance that it gave us hope for what we're trying to do is so important the other thing I came across this morning when I was thinking about water and I wanted to share this with this group this is the city's annual Lakes report you heard me say yesterday there's 50 lakes that are inside with a touch the city of limit city limit of Winter Haven I think it's 24 or 26 of those that are connected by a series of canals um some smaller lakes that are also connected by canals but our Northern our Southern chains are our our pride and joy our natural resources department puts together this document that and this is not to challenge or to diminish the work of any of the Consultants that are in the room but I have never seen a Water Analysis report of lak the way that the folks in in the city of winter Haven's natural resources department uh what they produce every single year an indepth assessment of every single water body is within our system here um that is it's unbelievable I tell all my local friends that are big Anglers if you want to know where go where to go fish grab this document in fact don't even grab the document just grab your cell phone and go online and find the document and it's searchable by what lake you're on it's going tell you the beety of all those Lakes where the emergence emerging pockets of vegetation are where you're going to find the fish uh everything about that Lake um I don't know if they're taking advantage of that yet or not but is a is a nov fisherman I always look at that kind of see where am I going when I get a chance to hear fish but I say that because what we do in Winter Haven when it comes to our Lakes that's our that's our greatest natural resource that we have that is what makes Winter Haven a very special place and the efforts of what we're doing in one water really originated within those Lakes when we look back to 2004 and we were in extreme drought conditions going into that horrendous hurricane season of Charlie jeene and Francis um when you drive around and you look at our lakes and you'd see canals that you could walk through you could see docks that went out into the lakes and at the end of the dock you would have to go another 20 30 40 yards before you hit water and then we had hurricanes and of course those did just the opposite we had canals where the water was over spilling the banks we had docks that were completely submerged and it really opened our eyes to the impacts that extreme High highs and lows the Peaks and valleys within our water table can have and it helped us even better understand why it's so important for us to manage water in a way that protects those resources it's not just about um do we have enough water for our population but do we have enough water for our environment and what can we be doing differently to make sure we manage water in a way that complements and mitigates the challenges of both in those areas um we've been blessed since 2004 forward we haven't seen those Peaks and valleys I think some of that is climactic and you climatic in the sense of you know the rainfall we get and the spread that we have between these major storms but I also think that it's a testament to what we're doing in how we pull water when we pull water where we pull water uh what we're doing with our storm water what we're doing with our Lakes management all of those different pieces work together not every place is winter Haven you know we're kind of this um we're very unique in my opinion you guys are experts on this more than I am I use the word unicorn a lot U the uh the Water Resource facility that we're going to I call that the Unicorn it's not a wastewater treatment plan it's a Wastewater unicorn um but Winter Haven as a community I think is somewhat of a unicorn and that we have no water that comes into our community other than what falls from the sky everything that's underground is moving away from us everything that falls on the ground is moving away from us no Rivers no springs is always pushing away from us so we have to be very conscientious and very intentional in how we deal with water here but I do think that the principles of one water are so transferable to every single Community whether you're on the coast and you're using desile plants whether you're you know up in the in the spring rich areas of of North Central Florida um Wherever You Are are water's a challenge the challenge may be a little different for everybody but if you're not looking at it from a holistic standpoint of how are we managing what we're pulling out for consumption how are we dealing with what comes back to us in the forms of Wastewater how are we dealing with all the storm water and all the challenges with that how do we deal with climatic changes that we experience the flood mitigation the natural environments all that stuff it's not just a Winter Haven thing I think it's throughout this entire state I think it's throughout the entire nation and for that matter I think it's throughout the entire world and I think what this commission focuses on what we're trying to get our legislative bodies to focus on is take a more holistic approach a more comprehensive inclusive approach don't don't look at projects that are simply it's in this bucket or this bucket or this bucket or this bucket those will certainly accomplish what their individual intents are but when we can look at projects and we can look at initiatives that touch two three four all the buckets that's where we have the greatest benefit back to our taxpayers our citizens the future Generations so I commend you all for what you're doing with the one Water Commission um certainly Gary is a is a huge advocate for this on our side our city commission is fully embraced by it we speak about it often I speak about it with probably the least level of expertise but trying to bring it down to a level that maybe the late person can't understand um but as I said yesterday when we when we realize the the pathway to maximize every ounce of energy and value out of every ounce of water regardless of where it comes from then we won my my kind of vision and what I tell people is when you go out to a restaurant and you don't eat all the food and you take those leftovers home and just put them in the garbage that's the traditional approach to Water Management that means we're going to pump water on the ground we're going to send it to your home you're going to send it down to the drain and if we're not doing something with those leftovers if we're not maximizing the values of those then we're missing out on a tremendous opportunity at the cost of our taxpayers at the cost of the environment so with that said I hope you have a great meeting this morning again thank you for being in Winter Haven um we want you to come back here when you don't have to spend all day in this building and you can get out on our lakes and you can enjoy some of the Finer Things that we have to offer and if Gary or myself or any of our staff here can ever be of assistance to you please feel free to reach out and please check out either of these documents that are available through our website so good morning and thank [Applause] you thank you J it's great to have a city manager that is so well versed in water he does a great job with um before we get started we should be connected to zoom and do we have zoom purchas not yet okay well we'll do um since we're a small group today we'll we'll do a a short round quick introductions and then we'll go from there I'm Ernie Barnett with the Florida land Council I'm Alison Lewis uh alternate for representing Florida AWA Jacobs hi morning Brian I'm the facilitator for the commission sorry thank you I'm David M with our Consulting and a technical advisor to the commission Jared sakal with Northwest Florida Water Management District John fitgerald with St John's order Management District Kelly small with Poke County Utilities Jared Grievous Florida Association of counties Jeff scow FL Association of counties Chu Weber too Water Authority Dre backer Westerville ecologic Matt stalman with re Eric D consultant winter anity eost stasis engineering environmental consultant Eric Gomez with Catalyst Design Group David rfy with resiliency Florida and a consultant with winter Sarah Cala Mockley Water and Sewer District Mike Brit sustainable water communities and also working with Winter Haven Chris Raider at realis formerly known as pbsj [Music] T won [Music] Smith chuck beron with Tech South right we're going to do we're going to do it now so when you're a in it and good morning I'm not it Mark Bard assistant director at wi water and I'm Gary hubt I'm director of Winter Haven water and acting chair of the Florida one Water Commission so not quite sure that we have a quorum today but um I think we do probably need to go through some materials and um would encourage part particip a from our audience as well uh some of the things that we're going to talk about this morning uh branding is one of those things I think we need to try to get a hand on and just basically goes through some of the things that we put together for consideration by the commission so with that I'm going to hand the make off to Brian wheeler he's going to facilitate going through the agenda here I don't think we have anybody on Zoom at this time is this so we've gone through the introduction we have a review of the minutes from the July 16th meeting that we had at boo Ron does anybody has any corrections or changes to those minutes okay to the list of attendees add David mcy to the list of attendees any other Corrections additions completions okay moving on to the next item is the proposed commission branding you were provided and the packet sent out some proposed logos um branding associated with one with the one Water Commission and the one water Summit so you have several options right back right open up to any feedback from Members related to the um logos brand new I guess this one work so first uh I'd like to thank wsp they put together these branding options for us to consider you know this yesterday the the summit um was branding also it's it's uh number three on the list there and we uh the wsp also set up the Florida one waterer commission website currently we're using um number 4A as a possible logo for um on all of the materials that are produced by the the commission and the reason we pick number for a it kind of gives you the impression of a sail maybe a sailboat we didn't want the we didn't want a logo that was strictly geared towards the central part central part of Florida uh so 4A was chosen but quite honestly um I like all of these um and just open for discussion to get some people's thoughts on what we might want to use as a logo for Branding for the commission itself with that I'll just open it up I would suggest using number three changing the word summit to commission the reason being um I think the sale looks more like a shark fin um and you don't you know that's it could be a dolphin but I don't see a sell there personally and then um I think the wave U indicates momentum it also indicates movement and it um you know a Blue Wave is is U I think symbolic of a change coming you know that doesn't um I just think that the the I like the way looks and I think it shows movement and momentum I would support that and John and I were talking he was likeing you know I sometimes can see the word new water and so one water is new water in a way too so that's cool the only one that I'm kind of opposed to is two uh just because it sort of looks like a hurricane we just had a couple back toback ones so maybe a little more negative connotation there other thoughts our advisors yeah while we're going around the table I agree with Alis and so thank [Music] you other thoughts anybody from the audience want to wait in David yeah I'm I'm of the first three with number three is is the winner I like so number two in his hurricane that's not a positive message number one I think combination makes hard to between 4 and 4 a I would actually lean more towards I think it's a little bit more like um a seal and if you're using it in it's something will take space sorry so I actually just that was sort of my my my sh but um I'd be perfectly happy to go with three and replace some with with commission but that works for me I'm sort of between 4 a and 3 as modified I I would I wouldn't feel strongly one way or the other uh there is I think a little some advantage in having a little bit more color variation in number four um I think it makes it way bit more ey hatching but uh I'm not an artist um you know I I don't feel strong in between thank you David other thoughts [Music] change the blue and three to the blue and two brighten it up a little bit okay other thought the the O and number three if I didn't know this was W water and when I first saw that one it just I I started with the n and I then I went backwards and said oh there's the O uh so I think folks that aren't familiar with the one water name might miss the O in number three uh and so I would uh agree with David on four I I think that one really pops um if three was to modify a little bit so that you could tell that it wasn't L and maybe keep the wave somehow I I think that would be my preference so the one thing about three is could be one water or could be new water well I guess uh my question would be well who are you good good point other thoughts I actually like the first one because the the one drop that's right next to the one water I feel like it emphasize that we're working with really one drop of water to continue to maximize that good point other thoughts to the point about number three not realizing it said one modate at first I don't know if a color change would help like if it was the same blue as NE or just dark blue so you could may maybe that would help make it look more like a oh um just tweaks that's just a thought um I also agreed with a comment about water if we're going to have the word water there it should be more of the blue color than the green color because we want blue water not water without ch it is in part you know about personal preferences um hold over hold over three and four U for the next time we meet with the commission to see to get feedback on uh maybe maybe ask our artists work with three a little bit based on the feedback we've had and come back with some options on three and four for the commission to look at at the next meeting yeah I think that's a great [Music] idea I do like the three but I'm wondering if we're going to Brand This and whether we're we should try to I'm looking at the one water Florida website with DP and maybe we should be trying to Brand things so they're kind of similar I don't know if D is going to stick with that or not but what they've done with theirs is they've completed the wave into kind of like a circle to get the one to stand out but I'm just if we're going to try to Brand something and have consistency maybe we ought to be looking at what US order in one water Florida do make sure we all are speaking the same thing yeah that's really good point TR yeah yeah we could get we could get close close to right and I think DP one water is more about reclaiming water than uh all [Music] water just Just one thought on the first logo up there with the U with the water drop and then the circle back around the environment it might be very clean and striking just to have the water drop as the one of the one water and I think a lot of the a lot of the discussions have been around you know every drop of water is important might be easy to make that connection that way just as another consideration or option yeah I I kind of like that um make that a water drop for the for the O is what you're saying yeah so I think we um we ask our uh Graphics Folks at wsp to do a little changing maybe work with number number one make it a water drop for the O and then number three maybe we can do some work work on the color of the wave to make it look more like an O any changes on four I think we had a couple people that thought any thoughts changes or is it what's time oh we do have Zo now okay do we have uh who do we have [Music] on so we have Rebecca so any other thoughts from our Zoom folks on branding for the new Florida one Water Commission anyone on [Music] Zoom what's that okay so we do have one comment from Kim I like the O is the water drop idea for option [Music] one thank you Kim anyone else on on the zoom meeting that's got some thoughts on branding and logo for the Florida one water commit [Music] so we'll go back to wsp and TM with a few more Concepts to bring that back to the commission got another [Music] comment Kevin Kevin coin likes option [Music] one okay so we have another me meeting scheduled in December I believe it's December 4th I think we probably could be ready to present some more branding options to the commission at that time so on to the next item on the agenda next item on the agenda was to uh review the policy recommendation from the Florida Association of counties a copy of that was provided to the commission and advisers in advance of the meeting uh primarily what we're looking for here is for the commission uh whether they want to endorse this uh position from the Ford Association counties I mean looks our perspective Ford associate counties is is ing one water commission based on the policy statement there so so one thing to notice on this is that on the background the background for one water is basically the same definition that the Florida one Water Commission has adopted with the exception of the word social benefits um this commission chose public benefits but another wise is the same definition and um I think the one thing from my perspective is that we have the Florida League at cities that supports this concept we have the Florida Association of County counties um promote the up uh one water also and that by joining forces we can be so much stronger working together um I know I've spoken with a Association of County folks and they're going to take it back to their their board their committee about possibly becoming an advisor to this Commission in the future and we should know something on that here um before the end of the year so that's kind of my takeway um I sit on the Florida Lega City policy committee for utilities natural resources and public works and we also use uh one water as a or I I made a presentation to the committee here just a week and a half ago about one water and supporting getting the definition of one water into State statutes and it was was the second priority of the committee so from the league of City stands point it looks like it'll probably leave that committee to be considered by the entire reward so is there any other feedback or comment from any of the commission members want to let the people here in the audience know that we also have on Zoom commission members Kim dinkin from the Thousand friends of Florida and Beth Alby from the Autobon societ of Florida and we have advisory Kevin mccoin from the Florida stoneart [Music] Association sorry Jeff SC Flo Association Ka just to give additional background to commission members that are here those on zoom and the audience um so this proposal uh we're in the middle of our policy development process and at our next conference in Tampa uh we will be adopting our fact legislative action plan for the 24 25 years so what you're looking at was an initial proposal from uh commissioner Sean Parks from Lake County and we tried to Coral as much information as we could uh based on what we had at the time back in August and um certainly the information we heard yesterday uh with presentations and then what's been posted in part of this agenda some of those additional background materials we're trying to gather as much information as possible for our commissioners of our water environmental sustainability committee uh to make uh the recommendation on uh whether they want to adopt this for the current year so I just want to provide that as additional context and uh we'll take it back and provide you know take this document add some more information uh so they have the full picture for their consideration and then we can get back to you all uh on what our board has directed me and uh our public policy team to work on thank you Jeff any other comments would there be a value in having um a representative of the commission come and speak to your folks directly sure I was talking with uh with Gary here this morning and trying to connect with uh some folks over in Hillsboro County uh to do that uh we do have a portion of our agenda uh of the meeting that would be for for presentations or just more background um so we're trying to figure all that out here the next few weeks so I I will be forwarding um the Hillsboro County members of the board to um Florida Le uh Florida Association of counties to hopefully support their efforts at at the county level no other um comments from from the commission and we'll move on to the next item on the agenda uh we're going to make a little switch in the in the order of the agenda for purposes of time potentially in the future so we're going to take up item eight now which is the discussion of potential legislative action which is action item number eight U there's actually two pieces to this the first is we have U developed a we'll call it a two page one page handout that would potentially be sent out to the during the legislative session to legislators to introduce them to the one Water Commission if you look at it on uh it has I said there's two caller sides one list the um associations that are members of the of the commission and on the other side it talks about what the what the one Water Commission is and what its mission is uh so the proposal would be if this were adopted by the commission that this would be made available to be again distributed during legislative session to commission to legislators to introduce them to the one Water Commission its existence and what its mission is uh so open the floor to any comments or feedback from any of the commission members on uh the this this item the one the I call it the one page two page one sheet with two sides to it so just some background um Chuck berron from teex South Chuck you want to raise your hand over there Chuck's been working with us on developing this information and the handouts that you're going to see today and thank you Chuck for for digging into this and uh dressing it up and making it look pretty of course we'll U depending on the logo branding we'll we'll make that change to this document um at that time after next meting meeting but we're trying to get this ready to go to um lobbyist and our legislators uh sessions will be um beginning I think uh first week in December is that correct edor three weeks okay but they'll be have committee uh meetings won't they in December yeah so we're trying to get ready for the committee meetings and make sure that we have this information available and basically this first one is a front back basically telling legislators who is on the one Water Commission and and basically what our vision is for the the commission and and for the state so Ernie you got any having done this many times yourself you have any any feedback any comments o overall I think the handouts really good I mean I think I think telling people who we are what we're focused on it's really important I I my only question is I'm not sure it's right to seek any sort of legislative change at this point in time when you're just seeking to put a definition which appears to be the only thing in the legislative agenda that implies there's some statutory need for the definition so if there was some recommendations that come out of this group in the future the maybe in identifying alternative water supply funding or Appropriations where there would be a higher consideration given for a one Water Project over something else or some sort of weighted criteria would make sense but right now I don't see anywhere in the statute that a definition would be pertinent um and you know you might want to you might want to reconsider um some maybe a resolution instead that just some sort of endorsement of this kind of approach for local governments and utilities and others to to seek to have a one1 approach towards doing it but but right now in you know the 2025 legislative session I don't see where a definition in the statute has any um significance um and and it would be a little bit confusing because typically when you have a definition in the statute it means in the statute somewhere that term is used and you now know what that term means and without there being any sort of movement on that front I think I would just defer um if a specific action maybe reconsider a a resolution in support of sort of a global one water approach and and legisl endorsing this kind of approach might be more wise okay okay so I get just to summarized and you're you're you're supportive of the of the I'm going to call the two the two-page introduction to the Mission uh but more or less to pass on the one water definition as as action and maybe as you said maybe develop a resolution with the legislation least First Step would be to have an overall hey we support this this this type of approach to water okay okay that's good so one other thing that goes with these two documents there are white papers that get into a little more in depth uh we have not um put forward yet to the commission but they do provide the background on on one water and on the commission it's a five or six page white paper that we've been working on not quite really for release yet we we we thought these two documents were good but uh I like the thought of of this going in a resolution also so I think would be a great approach other thoughts I'm going to I'm going to be like the teacher I'm going to ask call upon the students to make sure we get some feedback here so that so John you have any uh thoughts I like a raise idea and um I think it's going to be easier to seek endorsement through resolution rather than legislation even though you may have great support for it it's it's kind of an easier lift overall so I support the idea and I think we can kind of how implementation goes forward and if everybody feels good and gets on board we don't need a legislative solution we just continue to work under the existing framework so we'll we'll have to see how that goes but I I agree who's next I can pass like I was going to see if if I can get because I know Beth Alby and Kim diens are on on on Zoom if they have any feedback Beth or Kim do you have any feedback catch what Ernie's uh statements were Beth Beth Alby has indicated that she's in support of Ernie's recommendation Kim do you have any feedback and Kim Kim Kim also is over's position okay so we'll make that change to one page or to indicate a resolution and then prepare a more detailed weight paper to go back with us and bring that back to the commission at our next meeting in December any uh thoughts from over this group here no I just think uh supportive as well I think it's a great idea see how things go um I I likewise think that trying to coner the definition that is referen in regulations is likely to get resistance um and this approach I think works later on this particular page good uh we there's a little bit of a layout issue uh Northwestern WKA the the label is Stepped On by the the top of the blue bullets um so it's hidden uh and in general I feel that the the Panhandle areas kind of get lost uh with this with this layout and perhaps if we could adjust some of the locations to highlight that a little bit better it be advantageous good thoughts talking about the map and I don't know if this would make it too busy but um I mean I understand this is about Water Resource caution areas but there's I think water quality is also another part of on water so just didn't know if there be any consideration of showing tdls or something like that um I don't it could make the map too busy but just as I was looking at the P thinking about isues up there hey Brian while I have the mic real quick um maybe a QR code I'm not an expert in that but folks get a heart copy they can't really click on anything but if you put a QR code they maybe I don't how to do that just IDE get kind of techy but I think that's great great idea but because particularly with with the white white papers would be ATT and if you had the QR code would take you to the to the to the white paper the white paper I think one comment from Mr Ry thanks G just from the peanut gallery um building on what Ernie suggested we may want to go back to the full Coalition not just the commission and get the local governments who are the members of the coalition to also try and get them to adopt resolutions at the local level uh and then we can put all those together so just a thought great thought on the map visual just one through for thought the blue box which is the mission right perhaps emphasizing the cautionary is the wrong thing and rather bring it down to maybe the top of the St back and bring the blue box up as the mission rather than exclaiming the problem solution problem another good thought is that we went through changing a logo and we work with a marketing and branding company that really handles the colors how things are set up just kind of curious if the commission is working with the company that could help with items like this not submit our comments somewhere sure you you you can uh send your comments um back to me okay um but yes we have been working with Tech South Chuck bertron is sitting over here so he's he's recording and uh and they're they're not amateurs this business though but the marketing you know since this is a duly formed commission I there is no uh financial support other than in kind type services so if uh you know a marketing company that would like to participate we would love to have just one quick comment on the on the map I agree perhaps zooming out a little bit further so you could see the whole state or most of the state but also I think you're trying to highlight the Water Resource caution area being areas being 67% of Florida and I think that is designated by the colored areas on the map but it might be nice to just remove all doubt or interpretation that those are the areas of the caution areas and I really like the idea of having a QR code or something there if I'm a if I'm in the legislature and I'm curious about where my district Falls within those cautionary areas um I might want to pull up a little interactive map and tap on it and see what's the issues there relevant to my district you know which of those U issues that are in that list that caus it to be a cautionary area are relevant to my constituents great thought great thought anybody else from Zoom or the audience here okay I think we got some good feedback there Gary and uh some marching orders so we'll uh bring this all back work on the uh some of the continent adjustments for the graphic on the front page or whatever I call the front page called the pain the fora map page uh to adjust that make it take into consideration the comments we got and then uh and then I think work on developing of a of a resolution that will then U something we potentially could then submit for the legislature and then maybe if it's a resol the other recommendation that we come up a general resolution one that we could then provide to other local governments to adopt um as as it will so I think that's a good some good feedback on that so our [Music] next next agenda item is is number seven is development of goals and objectives I mean obviously as a commission we need to say what what is it we really are wanting to accomplish and uh and I think most of us recognize getting into this uh business of of the one Water Commission this is not a a one time one go around many of many of the objectives that we may want to talk about probably some of them are shortterm some of them are longterm but we need to think in terms of what it is we want to focus on prioritize in the short term and the long term I we sent out a a list of I must say thought thought ideas some some uh from discussions of potential goals and objectives um hopefully to stimulate some thinking on the part of members of the commission just say what is it they think we should be about and and they don't have to be the were sent out in the thought process but the idea was try to get start to get some feedback and discussion on going around about what we should be doing and what our goals and objectives should be so at this time uh open it up first for uh discussion or or any specific uh recommendations any of the commission members have for a goal or objective either something we've already within what was provided or something that you're you're saying this is what I think we should be doing type of things not everybody talk at once now do you have any uh and I'll stimulate the conversation I I write to John John first yeah um there yes it doesn't like my voice I don't like my voice either but whatever um I Heard the comment Echo chamber yesterday um and as a goal we should blow the wolf off the echo chamber right get the message out there and I think a lot of what we just talked about helps us do that so I think Frank said that he was really um I think spot on that um we're all know like really bright water professionals that a lot of people don't know what the problem is what needs to be done any of that so I think the goal is maybe D is awareness of benefits but communication of benefits I think is really key um that's one of my thoughts you keep going no I'll handle M that that's one I mean all these were good um uh funding definitely needed that was talked about yesterday about getting the message outside of our chamber um so it's not echoing anymore I think it's really critical coming back to you U if we're putting a message out through your outside the echo chamber the message is still going to be somebody's back what is it you're still trying to do I understand I I hear you tell me what one water is and how it benefit so what are we going to do about it so I think that at the end of the day want folks to prioritize the one water method and the one water way of thinking and to change the way that we've always engineered things and done things and have everything Sil so we want to prioritize one water thinking support one water projects a way to encourage people and people outside are something of developers and presentations you saw with Winter Haven and The Landings planner and how they're considering developing the land and having a little more forethought with it by okay we got this partal land clear it not even really any matter Water Resources I what we have to do with our Erp and so I would um I think okay we want folks to prioritize and and develop this one water approach to every new project and and how do you encourage that you prob you encourage that by funding and funding sources for that where it's prioritized you're incorporating one water methodology or thought and then ease of Permitting um or just a clear path to permitting because I think sometimes we have to get creative with how we permit things so I I do agree that those are kind of the two top goals I see here you have incentivizing that's how you get change I think in that one water approach would think that's C A little longwind but and oh let let me ask a question so of those that you've talked about so are you thinking that we develop one pagers or a white sheet or how would we um get the message across but what do we need to prepare to um educate our public and our legislators on going forward what are your thoughts there yeah I don't think we'll have all the answers today but I think it could be a component of each commission meeting where we we talk about we don't just communicate as a commission to communicate externally and while Alison was thinking it stimulated my thinking from um I'm talking about a Fida section for a minute one of the kind of if you if you ask what do you do in a flid section well we support students and we're really strong with that and every bit of funny we get most of it gets turned back into scholarships we have student chaps and I think the next generation of water professionals needs to understand this um so maybe that's a role that that we can play in a Florida section is really promoting that education of students we have strong connections with Florida G Coast University University of Florida could go on and on we have very strong connections so that Outreach and communication I think is really important that we could form you know like under the chair of the Outreach committee for example we can bolster and enhance the way that we communicate as a Professional Organization with students with our membership for this commission I think it it's a topic of discussion we've got some really good stuff underway already um I think we can build on that and somebody that's a Communications expert maybe can advise the commission how we better communicate going forward I don't have the answers just through it Gary I guess in response to what you said how do we impact so the public um and maybe those outside of our profession because how does it they want to know how does it impact me what benefits do I get um and then maybe they want practical examples so just um giving practical examples kind of like you have under regulatory flexibility for a um you have all those examples of what water use permit allocation trading Market could look like if we can come up with those examples for um you know developers or the public who just how what's specific to them perhaps so you Ernie do you have any any particular thoughts on any of the Go I mean one one of the challenges I think is U you know this is a common sense approach it makes perfect sense to do um integrated Water Resource Management but often times people are entrenched in the processes that that in place already so um one thing I think you can span almost most all of the topic areas and goals is to maybe work toward a proof of concept approach where you would actually find a a local government maybe the one we're in or or something where there's a sort of an an intent already established to take this more integrative approach to Resource Management and you could uh seek to uh to try sort of a pilot project or concept project um would take all that long and then that would lead toward proving it works and then you move on to broader uh application across larger parts of the state so it's just a thought kind of impementation thought that U you know if you really want to get a lot of buying improve it works and and there may be already enough examples out there already that we can just call on and don't need to do a pilot but I think the more you highlight get implementation it's a probably a good good idea in fact is there are some we already know that the City of Tucson is is already classic example and and there's a couple of entities in in Texas that have implemented and have some some great uh information on that so I think that's proba to help I guess in terms of bringing this back down uh it comes back to the incentive and why would people be motivated to go and you want water so I think some of the things we tried to highlight I tried to highlight in the examples there um one thing we kind we talked about a lot yesterday but I think it still comes back it's not it's it's the funding issue and I I'll just highlight the figures that Frank bero put out yesterday that say the states identified there's a $227 billion funding need for Water Resources over the next 20 years and right now the state is funding that he said at the rate of $3 billion a year but we know that I'm going to say that 75% or more of that 3 billion is going through the Everglade so really not that much money is actually going to other water projects the actual alternative large block funding for this past legislative year was $65 million and what's being proposed in the governor's budget for next year is always $80 million so there's a if if we're going to move in this Direction there going to have to be more funding in the Pod so that potentially would be a goal and objective that the commission would want to ad Advocate and try to educate the the legislature on I'll just throw that on the table and the second thing in that comes back to permitting uh I think in terms of Permitting I've listed a number of potential options here that there are issues under permitting I think that would also be in incentivize people in terms of in terms of Permitting uh that may be in terms of the ability does that require a regulatory change or just a policy change or things like that nature just i' welcome some some comments in those particular areas I was also thinking of Frank's commentary yesterday my feeling is that our number one priority has to be the funding issue because without it none of these other ideas have got to go anywhere so basically if you don't solve that problem you're not going to solve the rest um what I heard very clearly from Frank was the need for Coalition building um and in particular the need to get private sector as part of the team because public sector will not have the leverage in tassy that that we need to me my feeling is that the looking there the natural outage has to be the development Community uh our one water approach is principally an urban water management issue uh so most immediately affected folks are in the development community and finding a way to them see them uh come to the table because they see this as advantageous to them at their long-term economic future as opposed to something that threatens what they do now I think is critical to being able to achieve that um in terms of propagating the methodology I feel that if the market is there that will take care of itself Consultants are competitive if there's a market to be served they'll do what it takes to serve that market uh to help with that process I would Advocate Outreach to the cities and counties they're the ones who put out rfps for these types of services if we educate them and as to what's in it you know what kinds of things should you be looking for in an RFP help particular the smaller communities who have less resources to draw on by themselves to how do you frame a good approach to this so that they have a bit of assistance of knowing want to look for in a consultant they will you know as they get money it'll create the market as you create the market the technical side of it will fill in naturally enough so I would say that that focusing on you know and this is coming from a techy guy but my feeling is that focusing on trying to educate the details of of engineering and science as to how to do this probably is our lowest priority because I think it's the one that that will almost certainly take care of itself even if we don't if we we can solve the two the the the issues above of creating the market for it and the funding we have a participants Jeff Little John Jeff can you speak yes so can you all hear me okay yes okay great thanks um the audio is you apply I turned on captions something may just be my old man here um so there I like the approach of a walk for run with uh any legislative tweaks and just getting a definition on books would be valuable in my opinion uh to Regulators if you were for example making an application for something where you're you're going to uh uh you know utilize a one water approach and maybe you know Harvest storm water um use it for oper for recharge you know start to start to blur some lines between conventional regulatory silos and uh in order to overcome maybe a staff resistance to keeping projects like that Silo and being able to point out there's a net benefit of of of you know the one water philosophy achieving a net ecosystem or net Water Resource out come you know then than being able to point to a definition with some positive words in there and say no no no this is a one water project so and that has a definition and statute so we want you to you know come along with us and agree that you know blurring silos or removing silos or mixing types of permits or projects like these are are beneficial I think that will take us a step in the right direction if if we wanted to to introduce uh some more flexibility in statute at least just create a mechanism to acknowledge that flexibility may be needed in some of these projects then then we might be able to lift some language from the ecosystem management agreement statute which is 43.07-ounce often because they're very complex and difficult to get established they're not very many in the state but they do have a built-in statutory mechanism for introducing regulatory flexibility when there is a net ecosystem benefit and and so maybe just capturing those two concepts and either drawing them into the definition or along with the definition adding that opportunity to utilize some regulatory flexibility or or authorize some regulatory flexibility when there is a net Water Resource benefit even even a statement of that intent by the legislature I think would help uh regulatory staff uh uh view some of these unconventional applications in the different way and and and I think you know that was some some of the recommendations that have been made already by their speakers uh you know doing pilot projects and and holding out you know new those as examples of what we're talking about and Advance the ideas of one water through good one water projects I think I think that's important as well Jeff what was that3 [Music] 43.75 2 okay thank you so uh Jeff this is earning Barnette I think that's an excellent recommendation I even thought about that myself and um just a little tongue and cheek I'll share with the group that's a very well written part of the statute I might have help write it probably 25 30 years ago and and we did use it a couple places like the Tampa I mean excuse me the pan City Airport worked really well so this concept of an overall net ecosystem benefit which is defined in the statute I think you if you're integrating storm water waste water drinking water and have some habitat restoration there's there's all kinds of opportunities to use that and see a little bit of Rory flexibility not sure you need any use that story change but um certainly something worth looking at so thanks for bringing that up thanks for writing that ER I like that statute so we have a couple comments U that all we um ask if we would share the the white papers yes those will be provided before the next meeting and key Carlton asked um you know should we create a communication plan and uh maybe we uh establish a smaller Committee of the commission on education so just some some other thoughts from our Zoom attendees so other look you eyes off the off the hook on these gold and objectives I think we've got a couple some really starter some good feedback here on the uh pering side I know I'm going to throw one out that I know some of my former fellow utility people that brought up before something that's coming using multiple sources of water you get into what they call conjunctive use permitting uh you're talking about using multiple multiple water sources and then this gets into a question about using what they call Integrated permitting how do you how do you how do you how does theive permitting system work when you have multiple water sources that may have multiple uh times that can use them and what not they aren't used all you know currently used at different times yeah Eric draer um I might be falling behind the agenda Brian I quite follow what the transition was but I just want to go back to um some of the comments were made yesterday in the presentations and I think one of the most important was by Adam blot where he reviewed uh some of the um demands on the state's budget for uh water quality and uh alter water supply you compare the number of projects that applications the value of those project applications to what they actually had available and he seemed to be suggesting that there was uh some willingness to try and push uh the numbers of the Appropriations themselves and even hinted in the area of alternative water supply uh that that number could be pushed up with some of the uh funds unallocated at this point FS the compact AR would probably understand that more more than I do but uh but seems to me that if if we're going to focus on an immediate objective one would be to recognize the fact that the uh dp's lvr increased the amount of money for uh alternative water supply I mean not to the number that we probably need but it took it up to $8 million which is in fact a significant um percentage in increase uh and the allocation of alter water supply so I see this on the list right now just put want the commission to um to move past that opportunity to recognize I mean assuming the governor is going to also support you know introduce that number and the budget to recognize that and to give DP and a patter on the back in this process get a little effort behind it like yeah that is a good number let's make sure that shows up at least that number maybe more uh shows up in the actual Appropriations process that seems like a small thing but in fact small things take effort also not just big things um and and I think that that would be kind of lwh hanging fruit early uh effort to push that along a little bit truly and it gives the opportunity in pushing it also to discuss the fact that there is not adequate um money for all the alternative water supply uh demand in the State of Florida or is there the kind of flexibility to allow that much larger amount of money that's being spent on water quality Wastewater and other issues to be kind of moved over into that water supply uh function so I just think that's a way of integrating a discussion of Le even if it's not actually integrating policy which is behind uh at Water supp fund that is already on the table uh provided on by G's budget recommendation so then is your recommendation that potentially would adopt some type of resolution in support of the increase of increase funding well I wasn't thinking for what the mechanism would be I'll leave it to to you wise people sitting around the table to figure out what mechanism you want to use but but kind of um within the Coalition for the association of counties and L cities and and the utility uh organizations are getting engaged in just trying to get people organized enough to make sure that's on the talk sheets from the different people that going and talking to legislators and say that that probably is a good number and it could go higher and by the way when you get ready to spend the money to go back to just point or any point to try and make sure those grants are um are made in more flexible way so that you get that kind of cross benefit uh which is obviously what the one one Supply goal is and then you know that part of that discussion you get to also working that point like by the way we could use a more flexible permitting process too I think the trying and trying to go after a more flexible perating process at this point may or may not make sense you know is in terms of something to to achieve I'm going wearing out my time here but but the appropriation is going to pass again my friend already knows it's better than anyone else in the room the appropriation bill is going to pass and that is a tool by which much good can get done even if it's just um putting an extra U number in there raising a number or putting a little bit of intent language and again you know very well how to use that intent language to uh to change policy thank you we don't have a 5 minute time clock here so [Music] I was about other thoughts maybe other thoughts on on The Zo discussion good uh some good feedback I think we need to still Focus get some more specificity on some of the objectives and goals right I'll just to support what Eric said I I think I think on you know to tie some things together I think back on our uh handout page or whatever maybe at our December meeting we go ahead and have a a vote by the full commission on support for we'll know what the we'll know the specific uh we have the d3a from D we know what their budget request is we could actually have AIC spefic uh in that handout support for alternative water supply funding tie it to the DP request uh that could be in the handout that we you know that we give uh in addition to um any other sort of if we do decide to do a resolution and and just be in that action box below what we're asking because I I think that's U something everybody can rally around the funding is where things are going to really happen we could we memorialize that out but I think probably to the summer meeting okay good then get us some specific uh I think steps to do between now and the December meeting I think we got three or four things on our plate to do as far as that goes looking for some other feedback I'm I'm sitting here thinking about uh David McIntyre touched on this but Frank Bernardino had mentioned that the legislature sues this as mostly a a local kind of supply problem and I kind of thought about that they you know the so the you know the the funding issu for Al water supply things like that they look at that as you know kind of a local governments have their own funding source I kind of started thinking about that so so we have a concept in Winter Haven called Mikey math and so Mikey math kind of says when population when Florida population doubles in what 50 60 years there's 20 million people coming to Florida at some point you know I don't know what time frame that is um 20 million people times 100 gallons per person per day is you know another two 2,000 million gallons a day of water drinkable water public Supply water that we have to generate so 2,000 million gallons per day times what $60 million per ngd to develop alternate Water Supplies things like that uh comes out to be about $120 billion that local government U chilies kind of have to spend in some form of fashion uh in the next you know 50 60 years so you know I wonder I wonder as a onear commission if this is kind of something we do as a uh maybe it's more of a local effort one water those kind of things we understand that there at the local level at local utility level and I'm not even sure if the you know a lot of the local utilities even you know we didn't have very good representation local utilities at the at the summit yesterday you know a few but not very many and that this really is a local kind of issue and local local utilities are funding $120 billion worth of improvements and we do that in a way that provides multiple benefits and I think this list of uh topics is so well thought out about uh encouraging you know Partnerships you know alternate markets uh legislative changes and encouraging multiple benefits so I don't know I kind of uh my thought is gosh you know maybe we ought to be focused at the local level especially local utility level uh in a way that maybe we haven't really quite considered yet I'm uh completely impressed with Mikey math I always have so uh to follow up what Ernie was talking about in the budget support um you're you're St to see Governor's recommendations also going to come out so we I want to also add that to the menu they're going to probably start expanding more of the regional approaches like Indian River critical areas of concerned I think they're going to add that uh more than just the Four Keys on the P hand other places so the governor's recommended budget uh put that also part of our thing but I think we also want to put maybe a general statement of support of the monies that they use for the Compact and make sure that we support it we believe in the concept to protect protected because in the past the policies have changed and they've rated those dollars for other things besides housing for example and so we want to make sure that the commission keeps an eye on that and then expand there's a lot of programs that don't exist so maybe identifying one our members throughout the state with a lot of vles that were not waste water they were water related or something else they don't fit so identifying those type of grants that we may want to um work on to help them create and expand so I think those are the type of things that Ernie but I think we have to keep an eye on the the funding stores the trust fund that they don't touch that for other purposes besides water and environmental so those are things we're going to work on thank you Andre other thoughts anybody else on Zoom there jobs we're not we will continue to come back to the goals and objectives continue to flush these out I think but we've U as I said we've got three or four things that are definitely on our plate specific that we want to try to bring bring into just more uh crystallized more for our December meeting and get some more feedback and then hopefully be ready to to move on those those specific things and hopefully then in a in another meeting when we can hopefully have more people present around the table we can get into I think some more de detailed discussion about some of these uh specifics that we talk we talked about here moving along on the [Music] agenda this thing is is the uh we're open to any additional comment from the commission any comment or any specific issues that any of the commission members want to want to bring up uh for for comment open open for discussion anything from zo if there's no other comment me the commission members in were open for any public comment anybody else in the public that hasn't wants to speak bring any comments forward I'd like um I think most of the people were here yesterday just a little bit of feedback on how you felt um of the the panel discussions that we had yesterday now it's a little bit different than most conferences where you know our panels were structured for an hour and a half discussion basically and some presentation and and some just question and answer and like if you think that format worked well or if we need to make changes for um future Summits any thoughts we did perfect the the podcast terrific yeah I would had a great think did a great job other thoughts on yesterday's [Music] summer except it was cold fall s okay I think maybe what to highlight our next meeting dates uh December 4th will be our next meeting of the one Water Commission uh be a virtual meeting and inted we following that in January January 8th will be our our first meeting in 2025 again that would be V virtual uh not on the first Wednesday of the month as they normally are because it's New Year's Day don't think any will be around for that so we'll be scheduled that for January 8th all right any additional comments before we bring this to a close I'd like to thank all of our attendees and our sponsors for making this possible um I don't know about you but I thought the food was pretty good yesterday yeah so again thank you all and we'll give you back a few minutes of your day so we gra greatly appreciate your particip in this effort thank you --------- ##VIDEO ID:ob_TqffrwIs## which is a Global Engineering procurement construction and consulting company that focuses in infrastructure development so I'm going to hand the mic over to Joan and she's going to introduce your panelist thank you and welcome back into the refrigerator in here I hope everybody got nice and warm outside um somebody commented earlier on my title one water practice leader um I've had that title for five and a half years but I feel like I've had that pretty much my whole career having worked on water reuse projects Wetlands enhancement all the little tiny pieces that go together so um hopefully you our changes in title reflect the in the way we all perceive one water planting I'm going to go ahead and start and introduce um I'm going to go one by one introduce our panelists as they get ready to speak and at the end we'll take the question so our first speaker will be mik brick um he's going to be talking about the City of Winter Haven one water projects and programs Mike is a professional engineer and Water Resource planner with 40 years of experience managing water in central fla he has an undergraduate degree in civil engineering from Georgia Southern University and a MERS in urban and Regional planning from Florida State University Mike was the city of winter Haven's Natural Resources Director for 25 years and assistant utilities director for seven his primary focus has been the establishment of sustainable water management practices that consider the full value and benefit that water provides thank [Music] you everybody get warmed up out there go outside and hey I I thought I'd start out a little bit talking about projects about talking about Winter Haven um it's a good perspective to see Winter Haven and how much we're surrounded by lakes did that just goow okay um so it's a good perspective to understand how the community fits the lakes and natural systems around it um we do have four existing nature parks we call them and we've constructed the storm water management nature parks water quality type projects around the lakes around Winter Haven that also function as recreational communities uh so if you get a chance to go buy nature part while you're here we'd love to have you go take a look but they're very popular parks built around the Wetland treatment areas that we've already created so the so we do have a history already with the multiple benefit project Solutions that's very well accepted here in Winter Haven um I thought I'd also talk about the rain Gardens uh as you're driving around downtown here if you look really closely a at a lot of the intersections there's rain Garden so Downtown Winter Haven is located in a Sandy Ridge soil area so the the solution there for from a nature-based solution standpoint is percolation so there's 60 rain Gardens in and around the downtown area Winter Haven that function as multiple benefit solution as well because that they look really nice too so they're landscaped in a nice way provide some open space so that's a a nature-based uh multi benefit solution that Winter Haven has infl um also I I think one water programs that key was talking about this quite a bit but uh you can't talk about one and Water Solutions without water conservation I believe I think that's one of the one of the Premier uh water resource type programs that one water uh needs to be looking at Winter Haven is taking a very aggressive approach at this uh we expect to take to save about 2 million gallons a day of water through water conservation long term and when you think about the value of that from a water supply standpoint you're talking about $120 million plus 120 million is the low end of that estimate of what it cost to generate that water supply so when you think about water conservation and the cost benefit uh it is pretty incredible uh so definitely take a bigger look at it now talking about future projects it it it's deserving to note that Winter Haven is in you know the the Water Resource capital of Central Florida almost it seems like to me but but we're also located at the very top part of the Peace River Watershed um which is the middle graphic there uh all the water from Winter Haven flows down Peach Creek Peach River down to Charlotte Harbor um and on the far right you see where we're located in the P Creek subwatershed of the peach River but we take up a good you know third almost half of the Peach Creek Water so the the main point there is anything that we do in the Winter Haven area benefits the entire piece River waterer all the way to Charlotte Harbor and also people don't really realize this this is not obvious but we are also located at the top of the Aquifer recharge area for the Florida and aquifer too so a lot of the recharge for the Florida and alfer that flows South and Southwest happens in round the Winter Haven Lake whales Ridge Nera so whatever we do here in this area has incredible Water Resource benefits for a ount region that relies on this water for rear ref water quality all the above so I'll I'll kind of a kind of preview projects based on that understanding so here is a a depiction of what we call the sapphire necklace uh if you see see uh Downtown Winter Havens located off to the left of that map not sure if that's clear or not but the Peach Creek drain Canal basically surrounds Winter Haven as a community and its primary function for hundreds of 100 years plus has been to get rid of water you know they they dished and drain the land so they can make the land more usable for you know agriculture things like that well in today's world getting rid of water is not a good idea well the South our necklace is looking at restoring up to 5,000 Acres of drained Wetlands from that wers shed and restoring those as water storage nature pars so okay so if you if you think back to the concept that Winter Haven has storm water management nature parks already and you know those are are generally you know 10 20 30 acres in size now we're talking about creating 5,000 Acres of storm water management nature parks to store hold water prevent flooding improve water quality and if you look real closely there's a a green line going through that that is a trail that would provide multimodal transportation Alternatives Recreation things like that uh Pete seckler was talking about this as part of his land strategy for Winter Haven uh so now you're you the picture Becomes of all the benefits that could happen for a non-county region uh do doing that work up here as well as providing those amenities for uh Recreation you know SE beas wildlife habitat water quality all those things that can happen in in a wetland restoration concept and but also Pete touched on this as well what if those restored areas also were an attractive part of of attractive like growth and development what if we can manage growth and development in a way that provides those amenities economic as an economic driver at the same time well the cost benefit of doing projects and thinking this way is extraordinary it you know would this be an expensive project yes so uh Suzanne was talking about spending $100 million for a project that would provide Wetland restoration recharge and water supply uh this project is probably in the couple hundred million dollar range but longterm no longterm meaning you know not not 20 years not 30 years not 50 years think 100 years 200 years 300 years uh the sapphire necklace was named after Boston's Emerald necklace if you're familiar with that at all so this is in you know mid 1800s somebody came with the idea said gosh look at all these swamp lands let's let's make them into something decent so we can build around it well now that's one of the Premier facilities for the whole city of Boston from a storm waterer Manion standpoint well think of what this area is going to be this Corridor between Tampa and Orlando uh and how it grows and develop uh Team Michael mentioned first thing Winter Haven the whole County region is the number one growth area of the entire country well this is going to be one big mopolis at some point you know is it going to be 30 years 40 years 50 not sure about that but at that point we have to be thinking about how do we protect water resources and encourage that growth and development at the same time so one water kind of solves the the growth issue versus water natural resource issue you know we I I believe we have the ability to make that work together which is extraordinary U here's a little bit of a blowup view so this is kind of a highlighting some of the current projects the active projects we have going on from a a feasibility standpoint uh you know just a zoning in on the area where things we working on right now um uh this project uh um Mary Sanic kind of touched on this is is we call it the Bradco Farms project the city has already bought the land 370 Acres I believe or a little bit more uh to uh implement this project uh we're working on a way of P free Solutions and mechanisms to try to get this project developed and built um so that's ongoing right now but the concept plan is on the right is the one we used as as kind of more or less a way to talk about you know what the ideas were behind that project I'm sure that's going to change in the future but uh but this project is located what maybe four miles east of Downtown Winter Haven so definitely within the urban area uh talk about the the Lage perspective uh somebody could have used that drain Wetland and probably filled it in and built a development at some point which probably would happen well now we get to uh develop a wetland restoration project to hold flood waters in the peach River wed that can benefit you know future Generations forever you know gosh what what a bargain and a way to do that in a way that also creates the amenities from an urban recreational Community assets um this is a project we're doing a feasibility study through kimy horn that's looking at we call it the East Peach Creek area uh further east of town but there's an area that's already developing right now and there's only a handful of land owners in that area and we're talking about a way to manage water to restore that part of the Peach Creek system and allow for that Urban Development at the same time so uh that feasibility study is ongoing right now but we think we have an opportunity to restore the Peach Creek system restore some of those Wetlands store more water rechargeable water at the same time that growth and development happens out there so here's another very interesting project I wish I I could have uh overlaid this project with a sapphire necklace and I'm not sure how obvious it is but there's a a line on the map going around Winter Haven so this is a a a reuse water line that kind of more or less a loose Winter Haven but also kind of coincides with the sapphire necklace project so it's like okay wow we have an opportunity now to use Theus water to rehydrate Wetlands to recharge water in the aquifer uh to build things like aquifer storage and Recovery systems things like that along that area maybe to pull water out uh for irrigation if we have to things like that but so now we have not only the sapphire necklace storm water flood management control water quality project we also have along that same area the ability to rehydrate Wetlands to use Le water for different purposes on that route too so the flexibility of that is just going to be phenomenal reat one of the most reliable flexible resources we have such a valuable resource and somebody mentioned you know it wasn't that long ago we were all concerned about how to get rid re water you know how do we get rid of it fast enough but today in the future we're talking about not only putting it in a re system to uh Implement Wetland restoration things like that but also as a pable read system too which I'll touch on in a minute oh here just right here so completed a direct portable renew study for us um I believe the study part is complete so we're looking at uh right at least right now the plan would be up to 5 million gallons a day that changed okay 5 million gallons a day of portable re direct portable Rees in the future uh that will be implemented at a a new Water Resource facility on the south outside of town uh it's we're going to be spending a couple hundred million dollars revamping our W treatment system to coincide that with a reuse system to possibly have the ability to to treat water to pable standards from uh you know reuse from storm water things like that that uh uh another couple hundred million dollar project down the road that uh that we're going to be invested in from a water source standpoint um we also at storm water capture but not only in that facility I just mentioned but also in the nor side of town we have a couple opportunities to capture storm water not just flood water storage with storm water itself and treat that water to either new standards or portable standards uh in the future up in that area so storm water is definitely on our Horizon for looking at how we treat storm water to also improve Lake systems as well I don't have a slide for this but also is very active in the uh uh you know tank regit program too uh we have a couple areas we're looking at for that as well from a water quality standpoint and to be able to capture that water for future use as well so um and he kind of covered this uh territory is Pete still here Pete here oh Pete okay good so so I can talk about him that's okay um but uh as a as a future onew project and this has been highlighted more times to day than I thought it might be but how we grow and develop really is going to matter you know protecting those opportunities to store and treat water on the land as it meant to be you know in natural conditions and and how that growth and development interacts with the the Water Resource areas of the region either through recharge through Wetlands through flood stores those kind of things really important and you know if if we can the the lest investment we're probably going to make in all of Florida is through growth and development right just from a private sector standpoint especially um if we can use that engine to help fuel water restoration type projects and improve Quality of Life Community it is a winwin win in a very big way and I think that that is going to be one of the horizons I think we uh are going to be faced with in Florida as to how to go we develop in a way that's going to improve water Source not just keep it the same keep it the same is not really the goal here the goal there is to improve it and solve water for the long long term per permanently how do we solve water permanently and growing develop at the same time so I think Pete is on the right track there and how he's kind of maning that question so I believe that's last slot so thank you [Applause] thank you earlier key was talking about jumping out of P County and Winter Haven and going all the way the simol county couple of counties away now we're going to do even bigger job we're jumping all the way to Hawaii Honolulu and we have lenise morero who's going to be speaking on the current status of one projects it's showing that it's s okay that's um lenise is um the national one water leader for brown and Caldwell so same title as I am but with brown and Caldwell she has over 20 years of professional experience as an engineer and Water Resource planner leading integrated in strategic plans technical studies and master plans policy development Community engagement inter inter agency coordination in her former public sector role she was the project and program manager for the award-winning onewater La program for the city of Los Angeles this was a collaborative and stakeholder-driven long-term plan for managing LA's Water Resources through a holistic and multi-benefit lens throughout her career she has focused on building Partnerships to advance sustainable practices environmental justice and climate resilience and her work has resulted in multi-beneficial projects policies and programs thanks Joan I'm happy to be here and to see open eyes across the room after that lunch I think they're keeping the AC really cold on purpose uh so I'm glad to have you all with me today and again this is the first project we're talking about that is outside of Florida and it's way outside of Florida we're going to take a trip over 4,000 miles to West uh and we're going to land on on the island of Wahu uh but before I go into one water Honolulu I do want to provide some context see see if I do this right yes I do want to provide some context on one water the one water movement uh the approach and a few examples so let's start with one water in general we know that the one water movement has grown over the last decade uh in fact we have seen this not only through the development of one water plants but we've seen it manifest through projects policies programs Across the Nation uh and we see it manifest in the in the principles that they apply uh including valuing all water uh prioritizing Partnerships and inclusion and achieving multip multiple benefits in fact in 2022 the US water Alliance conducted a national survey to assess the state of the onew field and what they found was that even though uh we do need more guidance and more standards in applying one water principles there have been over 80 plants developed across the country so either completed or in development so that's good news so the one water approach is embedded in the way that many of us do water all of us in this room are thinking about one water uh at Brown and Cal we do a lot of one water projects and we see it as a lens through which we view the connections between water people and the environment and we leverage these connections to help us optimize the water cycle while considering Equity economics resilience and compliance so I want to talk about a few examples of one water across the nation before I go into Honolulu the first example is a twone one water 2100 plan it is a plan that was recently approved in fact last year was adopted uh by Council and what it does it provides strategies for the city of Tucson's longrange water resource planning capital and financial investments and conservation practices as well as policy directions uh secondly the one water La plan uh which Joan mentioned uh was completed in 2018 in La uh it was a comprehensive long-term plan that engaged over 500 stakeholders and included project and policy recommendations to to capture conserve and reuse water in La the third one I want to mention is the Vancouver healthy Waters plan which is not titled one water but it very much is one water centered it does have an equity Focus as this plan is looking for healthy water shfs but through reconciliation with tribal Nations and this is a a plan that is currently in development as well and I do want to mention one water Winter Haven we've heard um a lot about Winter Haven today but uh what I want to point out about that plan which we're also happy to participate in is that it is serving as a model for other uh regions other areas in this region they're looking at Water Resources differently they're incorporating one water principles into long-term Water Resources planning and it's really an example to uh other other Utilities in this area and the last one is one water Honolulu which uh is more recent very recent and I'll be speaking uh about in more details today so let's start with one water Hulu and some background what I'll be providing today is a summary uh because we are in the middle of developing this plan it's in progress uh and I'll start with the background the City and County of Honolulu very much and for a long time have recognized that collaboration is key to climate adaptation in 2020 they adopted a an ordinance that defined a climate change adaptation onew policy and in fact they established an eight agency one waterer panel this one water panel is formed by different agencies and departments uh in the city including the Honolulu Board of Water Supply which is their water department and a semi autonomous department they also have their storm water and wastewater departments engag they have the parks Recreations department the office of resiliency and and a few other partners so since the Inception of this panel uh they have been advancing integration of projects and policies uh they have signed anou to formalize their collaboration in the way that they're working together and in fact because of that work since 2020 the city won the 2022 us water price for outstanding public sector organization and uh this work constituted phase one of one water Honolulu and then last year the panel successfully secured arpa funding to the tune of over $4 million to develop the one water Hulu plan this is phase two of their of their one waterer efforts and uh we just kicked off the development of the plan in early 2024 and it's anticipated to be completed by late 2026 and here's their Miss and Mission which we collaboratively develop with the panel and stakeholders so what are the components of the plan and these are at a very high level because um they do are are common components of a onew strategy and I do want this to resonate with everyone who's reading it so I'm keeping it at a high level uh so the first component is to develop a collaboration framework and we're actually actively working to develop this framework and I'll go into more detail dets in the next few slides data Gathering or review which seems like a pretty common task the unique part of of this task for the city of Hulu is that the city is placing heavy emphasis on reviewing and compiling key information for past efforts so we had in aahu in general there are so many efforts that have happened recently including the resilient Oahu strategy and other plans that we don't want to cause stolder fatigue and and um we want to be very strategic about the way that we go out to the stakeholders and the input that we obtained so we're taking a lot of time in reviewing those strategies and in pulling key themes for stakeholder engagement key themes of concerns that the stakeholders have brought up in the past and with this we're going to be incorporating that into our work uh instead of asking the same questions again uh but we will also make sure that we incorporate those groups that haven't been involved in the past so it's also helping us evaluate gaps the third component here is climate vulnerabilities mapping which I'll cover shortly uh very briefly uh the fourth one is the development of the onewater plan which includes all of the components here but it also in addition will include policy recommendations and private development guidelines and these guidelines are very heavily focused on climate misss uh the fifth one is onew project development which will include an adaptation strategy and an implementation plan uh and this will will be informed by the vulnerabilities analysis it'll be informed by stakeholder and one water panel input as well as themes pulled from relevant past efforts and last but not least a funding strategy that will be developed in parallel with the project uh development so let's go into climate vulnerability mapping as we kicked off the project it was very important to the city and county and to the team to gain awareness of the one waterer panel's concerns regarding climate hazards and potential opportunities for Partnerships so we've done multiple activities uh as a group to look at maps of aahu to identify areas of concern to air out any any U Future long-term concerns we we may have and also to point out uh what Partnerships are happening what Partnerships could be happening uh and what collaboration could be improved so this activity activity was very helpful in informing the vulnerability not being at work but it also helps us identify future opportunities so continuing with the vulnerabilities mopping it's currently in progress as I mentioned and it includes yes gathering information but very critically gather information on water Assets in critical infrastructure as well as climate hazards maps that already exist pulling all of this into a web map uh that the city and the panel are going to be able to utilize it includes all types of water and PR structure it includes social cultural and ecological resources and climate hazards this web map will be uh not just utilized by the team to identify vulnerable infrastructure it will also be analyzed for project development and for prioritization of projects uh working together with the one water panel this wrapping uh as it is in progress um I don't have the final findings of the vulnerability analysis but what I can tell you is that looking at the hazards and these hazards as you look at them you can see that there are many commonalities with the hazards that we face in many locations uh and in looking at these Hazard what we've found found as early observations is not surprising it's not it's not a shocking Revelation but it's good to point out that as we move uh more Inland the single hazards are more common obviously they're more uh just single uh problems that are happening in specific areas multiple hazards in coastal areas as you can see here all of the colors um what really demonstrate are the hazards overlapping the different types of Hazards and then multiple hassard in developed areas with infrastructure and other assets so that is to be expected and those are the types of um areas where we're going to be recommending projects to address those vulnerabilities so we are also working as I mentioned on developing a collaboration framework this is a term that is not widely used the city was very very adamant about developing a collaboration framework and we are defining it as we work on it we are really working with the city to Define and customize it for them but why what is it that they want to achieve they want to set up a structure and a process so that they can have a clear idea or a clear and effective process of who is working together and how to build resilience and they want to sustain institutional collaboration Beyond plan development and project implementation now this is very important because they seen that in many one water efforts there could be an integrated resources fund that just lives in a shelf and it's not implemented or there could be projects that come out of that and are implemented but the collaboration stops at the project implementation so they wanted to make sure that they continue that collaboration through onm and Beyond and that they continue that collaboration through policy enforcement and beyond that was really important to know this collaboration framework is faced into two phases just summarizing the first phase we are developing right now and it's for foundational collaboration what we're doing is looking at institutional barriers and we're making recommendations to address these and the second portion is Project Specific so setting up a process for sustained collaboration through project stages including Beyond project implementation so we have so far developed objectives uh jointly with the panel we've compiled a lot of information on pest efforts uh We've identified engagement gaps and we've also identified institutional barriers which I'll get to in the next few slides all of this information is feeding into not just the collaboration framework but the other components so the project development the policy recommendations and the funding [Music] strategy so all of that um was mostly related to the work of the panel uh when we talk about external stakeholder engagement like we said we're trying to identify themes and these are all the themes that have been identified through past efforts and we're going to be incorporating those or considering those in the development of of one water hu these themes help uh the city understand how to integrate Community needs and values into the plan some examples are uh Community engagement and empowerer for example uh the communities interested in Partnerships pursuing Partnerships with Community organizations uh under uh protecting the environment the community is interested in nature-based Solutions very much interested and uh restoring uh Watershed health so those are a few examples so with that we're kind of setting the foundation of okay this is what we know with external stakeholders what is it that we still need to find out and that's how we're continuing with st C engagement on the institutional side meaning the city departments and the agencies that are working with them what we're doing and I mentioned we we identified institutional barriers but all with the goal of addressing those and making recommendations so some of the categories where those barriers have been identified and this may resonate with everyone in the room CIP processes we know that each agency has their own method of prioritizing in CIP processes which is CIP projects which is totally fine because every agency has their own mission uh in mission to fulfill they have their own functions but the issue is when there's no line of sight between departments that are under a same city or same uh agency and the and there's no consistency in identifying climate resilience related projects so that's that's what we've identified yes uh prioritizing prior iation can continue to be individual region departments but there needs to be better line of sight and coordination between those groups under funding and resources we've identified that co-funding is a challenge currently there are no standardized processes to share funds among departments and partners there's a lack of available resources which which is the case across the board uh and their uh difference in budgeting processes uh which don't quite align with those one water Vision in equity and engagement the city has done very well in adopting an equity screen that is actually being implemented in a lot a lot of the projects that they're doing uh however it needs to become a requirement and there needs to be improved coordination and lastly the category of development Community uh there are issues with the way that they interact with private development uh so there needs to be some streamlining streamlining of processes for example they have IND idual departments that are dealing with some aspects of private development and then they have committees that are dealing with other aspects so we're looking to streamline those processes so what's next for uh one water Hulu we will continue to develop the foundational piece of the collaboration framework which addresses the institutional barriers part two of the collaboration framework which is more Project Specific will be developed as we develop the onew projects uh then then uh we will have the one water project development informed by the vulnerabilities mapping that I just covered stakeholder input themes that I just covered briefly one water panel input and identified institutional barriers uh and lastly the funding strategy which will be developing in parallel we found very importantly lessons learned from past past one water plans that a funding strategy needs to be developed early as you start working at projects so we'll be developing that in parallel with the project development and all of this will be compiled into the one water plant so that's it for the overview of Hulu and I'll be happy to take questions later [Music] [Applause] on this monk would have it I just accidentally closed out the bio of our next speaker so I'll try to multitask open that up we've heard about one water from both sides literally of the United States all the way from Florida to um toonol Lulu now we're going to take a little step I wouldn't say it's step back but we're going to go more focused and look at individual components of one water instead of the overall programs we're going to look at um a project called the 4G wetlands and also as the c51 reservoir and let me see if I can open up this V here our if you your program our next speaker was intended to be Ernie Cox um Ernie Cox had a last minute um something came up where he couldn't make it and probably with less than 24 hours notice his uh coworker Patrick I eer um he even gave me the pronunciation I still messed up Patrick eer um agreed to step in and give this presentation so big hand to Patrick for stepping in [Music] Patrick is the vice president of strategy and policy at Family lands remembered where he oversees and manages project across the firms three Focus areas of land conservation Innovative water resources and sustainable development he plays a key role in expanding lr's impact across its project portfolio including enrolling critical habitats for endangered Florida Panthers and the state land conservation programs helping to secure public grants assisting in the development of Innovative Water Resource projects facilitating large land transactions such as the green heart of the Everglades acquisition in Southwest Florida he also oversees collaborations with federal agencies Congressional offices stakeholders and partners on initiatives like the Big Cypress Oil prevention project he holds a Bachelor of Science and environmental science from FSU and a master's of public administration from Columbia University's Earth Institute where he specialized in environmental policy and corporate sustainability so Patrick how's everyone feeling all right we're going to work on that okay um so yeah my name is Patrick iser standing in for Ernie today um and I'll be presenting the Pasco County Master reuse project AKA 4G Wetland project um so um so this project exemplifies one water ethos um in my opinion and maybe yours after this presentation um it's a multi-use project intended to solve a water issue using nature-based infrastructure um it uh uses treated Wastewater effluent uh to recharge a local aquifer it um recharges historic or rehydrate historic Wetlands um in the immediate area and unoun originally um it had the added benefit of creating exceptional uh Wetland habitat for water foul and waiting Birds um one of those happy accidents as well process to say um so the project started uh in 2010 when Pasco County um faced with depleting aquafers in the area um commissioned a study to determine the feasibility of using uh U well I I don't know if exactly they were um considering constructed Wetlands at the time but they were looking at recharge in the area how to recharge the depleted oifer um and they uh settled on um the area of Pasco County near Lando Lakes um and specifically and I wonder if this has a pointer yeah look at that um the 4G ranch right here in the circle um and so the study showed that the area around the ranch uh and within it um was optimal location for water to infiltrate back into the aquifer based on soils elevation and other factors also uh Raphael is in the crowd he was the lead engineer on it so if you have any very technical questions he has all the Time in the World um so uh because of this and uh many other factors the 4G Ranch beneficial reuse project was uh created um so the project location was was in that uh infiltration area it also happened to between two Tampa water wellfields the crossbar wellfield to the South or Northwest and the cers creek wellfield to the southeast um and uh so the ranch is a 3,000 acre family cattle ranch near Lando Lakes uh owned by the Philips family who owns Philips and Jordan uh a heavy civil contractor company and a uh client family lands remembered um as you saw it's located between two Tampa well Fields uh which made it a prime location for the recharge project um so due to the proximity of the wellfields um the ranch had become drier over the years um than it had historically been um so the county approached the Philips family with the project and family accepted with the caveat that uh one the uh the county would hold a long term lease on the project uh that they would not actually own the land um and that the Wetland would look natural no straight lines uh like you might see with stas in South Florida um they wanted it to to Contour to the lands um and so after design the project took shape the the shape of uh 176 total Acres of constructed Wetlands uh 15 Wetland cells and the project can take on up to 5 Mill milon gallons a day of reuse water um due to the directive to make it look natural the project also inadvertently created uh some great water at Wetland habitat for local Wildlife like mon gring birds and lots of ducks I mean so many especially in the winter time um and so this as I was mentioning it was pretty dry prior to the project this is uh a aerial taken uh I think right before the project start started you can see so the overlay is the um the black lines are the cells uh the Wetland cells and you can see it's just all bone dry this is actually up near the house I think it's right here uh used to be a lake but it was completely dry um for most of most of the year um and so then we go to the historic photo from 1970 and you can see all of the areas outside side of the Wetland cells were wet at that time um the Wetland project was built specifically built in Upland areas in order to effectively uh recharge all the water once um once it came through uh so yeah so this is uh cell 7 before construction um you know notice how dry it is just in the general area there's a couple uh little ponds here and there not too much though this is uh during construction um this is right after construction and uh hydration and planting um you'll notice in the background it already starting to accumulate water in those historically wet areas um and then this is months after final construction uh fully grown in and uh operating pretty well so this is uh cell 8 uh right next door um it was a former I think that was a feed feed lot for turkeys or something like that um that was included in the project uh during during construction right after for planting and then fully fully dry um so I love this photo because it really shows the scale of it but also the um uh how do I put this the wetness of of the project so as you noticed um the the the Wetland cells were put in the Uplands but a lot of the historic Wetlands came in as well um and really created a nice Mosaic throughout the ranch um that uh that really you know kind of creates a healthy habitat for that area um oh and also I wanted you to contrast this to the the first uh aial that I showed how dry it was Prior um and so you know I mentioned at the top of this presentation that this is it kind of takes on a onew ethos because uh it it really encompasses of all the potential uses for the project um you know the Water Management uh the Water Management uh entity I'm blanking on the name sorry District thank you um got uh a for recharge uh the Pasco County uh found a end end use for its reuse uh during wet weather discharges um and the added benefit of the philx family getting recreational opportunities on their lands uh due to the increased waterfall uh habitat and so um you know we kind of see this have seen this as a model to replicate in the future um I'm happy to talk about it during the panel but we're also working on a similar project in Edgewater uh Florida where we're also incorporating it's very similar to this where we're taking eelin from the water treatment facility but also then uh incorporating Public Access as well and having trails that run through it with kiosks or as we're anticipating water fou and birds and things like that so that's it I'll keep it short and uh Happy take any questions after thank you so much [Applause] [Music] so our final panel speaker um will be talking about another similar project a piece of a big one waterer plan it's Jeff barwell he is the southeast Dan practice leader for black and Beach and works in Tampa throughout his 38-year career he's managed the design and construction of many onstream and off Chanel reservoirs including approximately 140 miles of birth embankments 50 miles of cutof off Wall Systems engineer right this and said the planning side and 60 Mi of soil cement roller compacted concrete Upstream revetments he has also been involved in Dam safety inspections emergency action plan development and Dam Rehabilitation projects so Jeff you can take the way on c51 thank you so much first of all is anybody have a spare jacket around you oh my fingers are a little numb I hope I don't drop this thing but uh yeah I'm going to talk a little bit about the c-51 reservoir this going to be a little bit different but I think for the last Talk of the session I've got some construction photos which I always find exciting so we'll kind of hit those toward the end uh but really interesting project uh it's what I would call an informal public private partnership and you kind of see how it unfold as we how how it's unfolded as we go along uh but really interesting project from the aspect of how it came into being and then also very interesting project is being an Innovative reuse of Mind land which is really pretty neat too so next slide so and one reason why it's such a an important uh site is because it's located between Lake OVI and West Palm Beach it's adjacent just north of State Road 80 and if you take a look at the the blowup uh it it it is immediately adjacent to the la8 res uh Canal which comes down from Lake okobi to the South and then it comes into a Confluence where there's a control structure which can Sprout water de South through the water conservation areas through the surface water treatment areas and ultimately make its way down to the Everglades and then it's also got a canal that heads due east which takes it toward all of the heavy development uh on the East Coast so it's got lots of options of where you can take the water once you once You' got it and so there was an original Reservoir the L8 fe uh is is immediately adjacent to it on the East and what the c-51 reservoir is the L uh L8 Feb is mainly environmental so it's mainly uh there for uh taking Peak High flows and and then releasing during dry season routing the water down toward the Everglades to help with the environmentally mostly and then uh the c-51 is a little bit different because this main focus is water supply providing an alternate water uh and so uh let's go to the next slide um so it began in 2006 I've been involved in it for over a decade but it it predates me and I will give a call out to Ernie Cox and Florida L remembered because they work very closely with the landowner which is called Beach agregates uh to to put this project together the concept of it and then to flesh it out and to get it to the point where it gets constructed uh so feasibility started in 200 six um followed by some technical analyses and and some preliminary discussions with Regulators uh there was a um uh memo of understanding for to consider to to keep moving forward with the project into the feasibility stage uh in 2010 2011 to 2013 that's when I started getting involved so we started doing the preliminary design and the preliminary costing so they could see how much how economical it is and by the is a very economical uh way to get additional water supply over other conventional methods and uh so then 20 2014 to 2015 moved into permitting through the D and also worked on finalizing the design of had it divided into two cells the first phase which is what I'll be talking about and the second phase also uh for Combined uh yeah 14,000 acre feet with the 5 MGD capacities of of a of a sustainable uh water supply for the first phase and the second phase will be a bit bigger with 46,000 acre feet of of storage area so moving to 2016 2017 um it got uh we got some funding uh put pulled together with the with the D uh and and it was a uh a move forward through the through the Southwest or South FL Water Management District and then you get into 2018 to 2020 and that was the time when they were getting when they were putting together the the actual uh commitments from the different water utilities for the amount of water that they would use and basically there was eight utilities uh using anywhere from one MGD to purchasing 15 MGD uh capacity on an annual basis and so that all got done just in time for Co so we did the work really through the peak of Co which had some interesting challenges um and it was completed uh last year about early last year next slide this just shows you the the different municipalities the utilities that were involved uh big players obviously were Broward County Miami Gade um city of Fort waterdale but several others as well next slide and then it was a close Cooper ation also with the Regulatory Agencies so you got the You' got the D you've got South Florida Water Management District you've got the Lake Worth drainage uh district and I got Palm Beach County all involved uh in in moving the project forward Palm Beach agregates is the owner I don't know if I mentioned it's an active it's still an active mine so uh um these are some mind out cell that they're using uh Phillips and Jordan was the contractor that built it and then black and Beach uh was the lead engineer on it also Northstar worked on on the control structur and such and uh and then Goldman Sachs helped provide financing for the project next slide so I'll just talk really quickly about the project OB objectives the basic components and some of the unique construction features and then I'll go pretty quickly through some construction photos and talk about the future opportunities the site next slide so it's uh it's primarily a water public water supply and also to help take the uh take the strain off of of well Fields uh down in South Florida also it can provide some of that environmental benefit of taking flows uh taking flows during high flow releasing flows during low flow and uh the water that gets released they they track the amount of water that's being released from the system and then it's a credited one for one for every uh million gallons that they put in Upstream at this facility uh they get the municipalities get to use that one MGD and withdrawal from the canal system further down uh so and it also uh also is is a very reliable water supply next slide um just some of the project components you'll see there on the East youve got the L8 Fe and then as you go to the West it's three cells highlighted in blue that's the three cells that are already lined out uh that comprise the c-51 reservoir uh it's a it's a unique Limestone formation to where it's watertight relatively watertight to where they can uh we're actually going down to we pull the water down to Elevation minus 20 which in South Florida in limestone is pretty unheard of uh and then uh it's the maximum pool will be at about ground level which is elevation 16 and so it's basically a below grade storage area but it's still a significant water volume that it C captures and uh we'll see on the next slide here uh basically you got the L8 Feb which is located to the East and we just created a Channel Through the existing Reservoir embankment uh down to Elevation minus 20 and then it's got a intake structure there and then it goes into a control structure and uh and then you pipe it through through a tunnel uh through a pipes that we tunneled in underneath some power Lin and such to get over to the c-51 reservoir on the west side and and as it's being used and operationally and generally they'll just work in tandem the the gates will pretty much be opened on the control structure and as as as one as the L8 moves up and down c-51 will move up and down and what that did is it it created a considerable cost savings because the pump station and the control and the the uh intake structure for L8 could also be used jointly for c-51 and you didn't have to create new new structures for that next slide and this just gives you a cross-section at the end of the inflow channel from La you can see where it goes through a control structure just simple G control structure through twin uh 96 in pipes that were microt tunnel uh for about 1,000 ft over into the c51 reservoir next slide uh it won't go worrying too much but one thing is kind of interesting is on the south and east side of the reservoir you have a full roller compacted concrete section um and it's tied into a cut off wall which cuts through creates an impermeable relatively impermeable barrier through the Limestone um and then uh most of the most of the SE great dam section it goes down to competent Limestone most of the dam section is actually you know low grade you won't even see it unless you're looking at the interior of the reservoir next slide and then we have the more conventional earn embankment which is what you usually see in dams in Florida and on the Upstream side the blue there that's some roller compacted concrete for wave action for protection and you also have a cut off wall that goes to the middle next slide so some of the things that were were uh very unique uh was first of all the geology uh that it uh that it's watertight and uh with verely little pumping you can keep it dry um we had to pre-blast and trench portions of the cut off wall that we put through the Limestone and um so the first this is the first full RCC Dam uh embankment section in the State of Florida and it's about uh 6,000 ft long and also that the connection through the existing la8 inment was quite a bit of a CH challenge next slide so now just go through some construction photos quickly next slide this shows you when it got out to the site started pumping it down it really only took a few pumps to get it pulled down and then to maintain it and you can see on the far uh on the far side there the far right um that is during active construction they put in a rim ditch around the side they just had to put in some relatively small pumps keep that Rim ditch pulled down and they could construct construct the reservoir next slide and this shows you the blasting most of the alignment that had the cut off wall in it we pre- blasted and uh so it's always kind of fun to see the blasts but when we were close to the transmission line and a natural gas line we had to use a different technique head slide and that's where we had to use essentially it's like a giant giant chainsaw goes down about 30 feet and it's got some serious horsepower and so just saw cut the Limestone uh down to down to about 20 ft below the top of the of the Limestone next slide and this shows putting in the low permeability it's a blend of soil taken from the uh from the site blended with with a clay and put back in the hole to create an impermeable cut off wall next slide and this shows you where we're getting the the base of the uh roller compacted concrete Dam uh uh smoothed out cleaned up with dental concrete next slide and this just shows you the vinyl tie in of the the cut off wall with the in future inment next slide uh we had to use a blend of one of the advantages one of the reason why we use roller compacted concrete is because we're building at an Aggregates mine which has the Aggregates to use in the concrete so it makes it very economical to use M's product to uh to build the dam and we had to do a blend of different grade of of the aggregate added with cement added okay next slide and just kind of showing how the roller compacted concrete what I think is pretty unique about it is it's actually placed like Earth fil so you spread it with dozers you compact it next slide and at the end of the day you create this a just a a a layer of concrete that's been placed with um construction equipment makes it much more economical next slide and so this is what it looks like at the end in the interior you've got about 22 ft of vertical wall in the interior and then if you look on the exterior next slide you'll see these Progressive steps that go up on outside of it next slide uh just really quickly this is where they're putting in the what we call the flat plate roller compacted concrete on the embankment where we have an earn embankment so the the white is the concrete it's got underd drain system you textiles and such and it's keyed in at the toe uh by digging into the Limestone next slide and it was mostly done it was predominantly done in at night because the concrete generates so much heat and in Florida we have too much heat during the day that we had to do it at night when the temperatures were cooler and it allowed the the uh concrete to to cure better and next slide uh this just a finished Crest Downstream got tops of all the grass next slide and uh this just shows you the control structure some of the steel and and putting in the twin t uh twin ports for the tunnel next slide uh this shows you the where the the head wall of where the water is coming into into the control structure from La Fe next slide shows you um that head wall being constructed at slide then this is kind of interesting this is the micro tunneling that was done and again we had to Tunnel 1,000 ft to Twin pipes to get it uh to connect make the connection and it was pretty challenging because it was actually a they call it a mixed face tunnel where the bottom half was in Limestone the top half was in sand very difficult to control it uh but they did a great job next slide and this just shows the uh the tunnel Boring Machine coming out the whole hole at the end and it's really exciting to see it come out the proper hole in the proper place we all read a little easier when that happens next slide uh this is just a discharge structure on the other side uh into the interior of the reservoir the only one thing that's interesting about that is we had to use a a a jacking tunnel we had to build a sheep pile a box she pile structure to be able to to get reaction to to to do the tunnel boring machine and we actually reused about 2/3 of that structure and and incorporated into the permanent uh discharge uh uh discharge structure so another way that we were saving money on the project next slide and this is the end this is kind of the Southern portion of it one thing is kind of interesting you see the embankment section coming in and tying into the all concrete section which goes around and in the distance the far distance there is the uh the existing Fe La Fe and this shows you that channel that we were talking about from the f8 L8 Fe to the control structure and the control structure which looked pretty big in the other picture is about 40 ft high it's just those two little that besides the two the two white buildings there's a little gray area there that's all you can see in the control structure so next slide so what's coming up uh and actually is currently in the works the red area there is the first SE section of the uh the phase two um which is the 46,000 capacity so it's got we got two more cells that are mined out and and they're building uh currently building that into a reservoir one thing's interesting about that is it'll be more uh more of the environmental uh is why it's being built re purposed and it's going to have a new intake structure which kind of that red line that goes due north that is a new intake structure so that and discharge structure so it will act fully independent that that phase and the future phase will be fully independent of the L8 Feb and the current phase one c-51 so it's ended up it's it's going to end up with over 105,000 acre feet of storage which is pretty pretty significant and um it's going to have all kinds of flexibility and where the waterers goes and what it's used for and at the end of the day this gives a a really good water reliable water supply for this for this Southern portion of the state that's all I [Applause] got thank you I have a couple of questions I'd like the audience to also think there's some questions you have of the speakers individually or as a group um I'll ask for you to to raise your hand here in a second but as a first um question um this is probably more for lenise and for Mike but um we've heard this discussed earlier that one of the barriers to one water is often these internal barriers with how our utilities and cities and governments are built it's the you have your storm water manage separately from your water and waste water from transportation and so just wanted some discussion from from Mike first on how you overcame those barriers and Lise also how you've seen it with you know LA and other projects um overcome those barriers now I go first mik we have um mics on the table but they've been little crazy here we just do this we just pass thank yeah u i I would say from the city War Haven it was kind of a little bit easy trying to break that barrier initially uh there was already in appreciation for the City of Winter Haven's connection to the lakes and water in general and that they understood that their water supply from the aquifer was connected to the Lakes well so for Winter Haven once once our city leaders and City commission heard that we were going to work on solving that problem long term more to protect the lakes and in in a water cautionary where the Lakes were somewhat uh you know vulnerable uh they were all for it and plus we had y'all have probably already met uh you already met T Michael this morning T Michael at the time was my director a very Visionary very forward thinking guy our city manager at the time was very Visionary Forward Thinking so they kind of got it right away and uh they they actually occurred to me quite a bit uh and we also made I think almost a 100 presentations around the community about the idea that kind of thing so that got very that was successful uh we also made a very direct connection between one water and how we're going to manage that and the economic growth and the quality of life that the community was focused on um I when I talk about one water wonder he when I talk about we had a visioning effort the year 2000 that talked about quality of life and how the Lakes were connected uh I talk about that as being the first step towards our one water journey is and thatly the Chamber of Commerce looking at uh Economic Development so so it it kind of was all laid out you know I I was just the guy that kind of happened to be there at the right time to to help it along so I guess I'll speak in general terms from what I've seen in different onew efforts um we can't o overspeed the importance of jointly developing a onew mission with your partners it takes time it takes sitting in a room with a bunch of agencies and partners and whatever stakeholders need to be involved and working on a vision that everyone can rally around uh and collectively agreeing on how you're going to how you're going to achieve that mission uh but there's also a wide range of Partnerships that you can uh Endeavor in as you move on to to develop to implement that Vision it could be from um jpa um Partnerships between uh different departments M like we mentioned we heard about a lot say um so there needs to be some kind of formalized agreements between partners uh and that also takes time to come up with so I think that we need to allow ourselves enough time to have those conversations and not rush it um so that we can end up with something that everyone can agree on and and move forward in implementing thank you kind of it's a little bit along the same lines but one thing um like looking at the c-51 reservoir had so many partners in the same thing with the 4dg wetlands and so just what are some of the challenges there how did how did you figure out who's going to pay for this who's going to operate it what's the funding mechanism I'll let Jeff start with that andbe you can sure yeah and that and that took that was quite a process that took took quite a while it was probably a good five years or so really in the making to get that all pulled together so the basic thing the basic concept is you uh that uh uh palach Aggregates would build the reservoir build the control structure and such and uh and then they would hand it over to the the South fla Water Management District toh to operate it and so the way it's funded is all of the all of the the engineering design all of the construction was all done uh by by Philips and Jordan and and then when they turn the keys over to the South Florida Water Management dist District that's the point when the other municipalities pay for the capital costs and it's proportionate to how many MGD they're going to use so they take a capital cost divid it by the 35 which is the total use and then each one if you got you just Dey It Out by who whatever demand each each utility is committed to and then the other thing is as it goes into operation they will be do they will be doing an audit of actual maintenance costs uh and then projecting forward the maintenance cost for for the next year next several years and come AC upon an AC an acceptable cost that then each municipality again will M will proportionately pay for the operation and maintenance of the facility so pretty interesting yeah I mean I think in terms of the 4G project it was a slightly different because it was on private land um and the land owners were very um interested in pursuing it and so so um I I wasn't you know I was it was early on when I joined the firm but um as I recall it moved very quickly I'm pretty sure they went from design to complete operation within 3 years um and you know I don't think they really encountered too many obstacles but I think that was partially because um everyone was just so excited to get it moving um the land owners were very uh interested the um the contractor as well and uh the both the city and the county and the district uh needed the operational flexibility so oh thanks Patrick and see you didn't come until like a lot of the work had already been done so it did take extraordinary time actually it took 10 years and if you notice the feasibility work that you presented was was 10 years before operation and uh but there was a lot of agreement in what the problem was and what the solution had to be but it took a couple of years of groundwater modeling to come up with what the district calls the quantifiable benefit right that's what goes against the contract for funding and that took a long time and a lot of really smart people look at a lot of data to come up with that um so I think the collaboration piece is huge and uh and but once you get some of those hard questions answered some of that hard work done then things tend to know SM you want to add to that I you have yeah the the biggest challenge there is certainly the land component and working with land owners and uh we we tried early on to to develop some conservation ements of source to store water and we thought that would go real pretty well but it didn't and then for government to come in to kind of buy the land was not a popular idea so that that was a it's a very big barrier even now for sure so these guys eff to work with land owners to make that happen you would hope it would be more common and easier to do but we're not finding that was easy to do at all um I'll speak um directly to the types of projects that I've seen a lot in the west which are recycled water projects and and uh a lot of the challenges there have to do with the fact that there's a waste water in the STM water that are working together but there's also large land owners that that they may have to work with um again uh it takes time it takes sometimes decades to get to progress in a project but it's also uh the fact that there's a lot of uh differences in the ways that the Departments and agencies work and the bureaucracy gets in the middle of it right um so I think we the way that those challenges have been uh overcome has been really by formalizing a lot of the Partnerships through agreements like I mentioned before uh but also getting public advocacy for the project that has been very important in terms of recycle water type projects and and other projects uh public advocacy has been important and that also takes time early and ongoing engagement internally with agencies but also external engagement of of the public so that if eventually you have enough supporters for that project and it can movees um smoothly through permitting regulations and all the approvals do we have any questions from the audience ly here did you hear that I didn't hear the last okay yeah the first question is about I guess linking it to the US water Alliance uh blueprint for one water was her prested you and then the other one [Music] they are very much using the US water Alliance uh documents as guidance um the blueprint for one water actually the one that they're using most for guidance is the worth study um which is the blueprint for one water that was developed a few years ago uh and they're also using some recent guidance on um the assessing your one water Readiness and that project was also from wor that was completed recently they've all been completed by different Consulting companies in in uh collaboration with the alliance and with Worf so a little bit of everything and I can just answer for both of us um there was only one contractor it was philis and Jordan for both of them are there more questions I have think I have somebody help them with a mic now l or weapon enhancement and it's interesting that the i'ms rapael I'm going to need you to come up here and backstop me but um as far as I understand you know e theine raas excellent question um so I mentioned the modeling earlier so we got to we got to calibrate those models for three years after operations with real operational data and what we see is about 50% of the water applied goes to the florid and oer and 50% of it stays stays in the in the C official to re height rehydrate the lakes and W it's very close to what we thought we would get there from the previous modeling before operations so in this case you do get you do get um about 50/50 a lot of folks have asked me over the years like what is the efficiency for recharge for groundwater recharge well as well that is such a sight specific question that it's not it shouldn't even be asked it's in this case it's 50/50 in other cases like in the Ocala Wilds for example it's 100% recharge like it all goes to flor nor so it can be might not no no we looked at the Historical aals and Patrick kind of showed those and we were very conservative on the Wetland delineations to make sure we were on Upland um for one because we didn't want to impact any natural ATS we're here to we were here to restore them you know last time we wanted to was impact them um but second is to provide that drive and had too so we're we're quite certain I mean we looked at we looked at aerial to go back to the you know beginning of the century to make sure that those actually were were the earliest areas that we could get thank what of water we talking about how many mg five it's permitted for 5 MGD and they've been putting on the order of 3 to three and a half we're competing with irrigation water now pretty hard to get water there so that's you know if I want to bring up another topic is how do we compete with irrigation water when we have projects that are really good but irrigation seems to take presidents over in the other news and this a big question you know when do we value water too much to keep just throwing it away on the land to irrigate St hesty mons but there's much higher uses I've got two questions I'll start here yeah there a follow up on that last one what what is the source from the water is this reused water from from the county or is it multiple agencies where does the count all that County have a number of question Murphy for L um on your one slide you talking about the community engagement and education and it it showed Community Partnerships and U inspiring that awareness and education I don't usually see Community Partnerships you know you public Outreach and that type of thing what kind of difference is that compared to what we would normally hear in this realm a lot of the Community Partnerships I've seen are mostly related to Neighborhood scale green infrastructure so when you see for example green alleys green infrastructure at the neighborhood fill um the utility will commonly part partner with a community organization or even with a neighborhood board to do the maintenance of those projects but also to advocate for the project to do tours of the projects so those are kind of the types of Partnerships that they're looking um to enhance and to uh expand also on the Recycled water side I've seen Partnerships where the uh the utility relies on some community volunteers to do the tours of the newly uh constructed facility uh they will have education components to it but the community will be really the the voice of the utility so they'll have they'll do um a speakers Bureau they'll train community members to really present the technical Experts of the project they'll always have a technical expert there but they'll have Community Voices expressing really what the benefits are in the community and they'll do the tours of the projects as as well any other questions okay I'm G other question on for the c51 on the c-51 reservoir project was there any consideration for energy storage and Recovery I understand from the slide it was mostly gravity flow but was there consideration for um using that potential energy for energy storage and Recovery yeah well so because it's a below grade Reservoir um there was there was not the there's not really as much of an opportunity as if it was you know storing a uh an elevated you had a normal pool that's quite a bit above ground you have more potential energy there in this case you know being a below grade storage didn't have as much opportunity for that any more questions from the audience and everybody want to go get warm aren't they I'm going to make you stay cold one more second I have one more question I'm going to give it to Mike first but the others are welcome to join in it came from Mike but it is a a really good question so many times when we're planning for water supply planning you'll look at the cost and you look at the other benefits do cost benefit analysis but cost always ends up up winning it seems like you're not going to build the most expensive project even though the long-term benefits May may be so great that it makes sense to do something a little more so his question was are we are we ready to plan and Implement permanent Solutions related to water as Florida grows and builds out not just satisfying the immediate cheap solution but look at those long-term benefits I think I framed that correctly well I love answering my own question that's that one um you know and I touched on this a little bit so just thinking about Winter Haven and you know the question we ask about solving water quality problems or flooding problems or water supply problems or quality of life problems traffic Recreation that kind of stuff if we think about that as Engineers I think historically we think of a you know 20 30 40e time frame you know but as a community uh thinking in a visioning process we're thinking hundreds of years you know how are we going to stay sustainable over a 100-year time frame and then the solutions become different you know you're willing to invest uh money into a solution for a permanent solution to water versus just incrementally solving problems that uh you know might take big dollars initially but so you know just as an exercise and thinking if you thought about all the problems that you have as a community as a region as a state and if you were to put a price tag on solving those problems individually you know it's just astounding we we all know there's not enough money to solve those problems but if you think about solving those problems permanently long term and think about solving multiple problems together it becomes a little more palatable a little more manageable so that's what I hope one water is trying to do and I think it makes a lot of sense the other other benefit to that that we don't think of as water managers is the community side the quality of life Recreation all that kind of stuff but such a big benefit so you think about Florida in 200 years so so the city of Boston created the emerald that thinking 200 years ahead well we can do that too if we thought that way and spent the money now to solve those problems we would Sol we would save so much money and create so many additional benefits it it wouldn't it's not even uh kind of a thinkable as to how many benefits we can create from spend that money now versus spending more money longer term in the future so not sure all that makes sense a lot of jumbles ideas together but that's the [Music] idea else want to add I'll I'll just throw in there I mean much more uh Broad and sweeping than mik's Vision I can't compete with that but um at Family lands remember we've been thinking a lot lately about the Nexus between resilience and water supply uh specifically for communities because as we've seen of all this flooding with hurricanes and I me honestly just regular storm events now um I've seen a lot of flooding on for Inland communities and trying to understand you know looking for projects that have that multifaceted uh approach you know where you can uh tackle the resilience issue and the flooding for local communities but then also uh you know retain that water for water supply and maybe even a water quality can go it too um you know something to that nature where we're trying to replicate what w did 100 years ago as Mike said and could do in the future um and uh I don't know try and try and Tackle all those problems I want so I hope that Mak sense I guess I'll add that a lot of us are doing with the same Challenge and it's balancing quick action with the challenges that we're facing today and long-term plan planning with the right solutions for long term there is a way to achieve both right if we're thinking holistically now and we're doing those projects with as many benefits and as many partners as we can now those projects can totally become a standard as long as we're we can back them with the right data and Productions and the mo the right the modeling uh and the right Partnerships and the right information they can totally become a standard and become part of that long-term solution okay well thank you I'll let y'all go and get your Sunshine break and [Applause]