e e e there we go right all ready we go ahead and call the June 4th 2024 uh meeting of the city of winter Heaven Planning Commission to order Jordan if you would please take rooll David Lane here Mario Manago here Elizabeth Davis here Jennifer fasking Wendy venters here Colin Wells here Ed Smith here Tina Summerland here and Craig Fuller here we have a quorum uh if you would please stand for the indication and pledge Heavenly Father we thank you for this day and this opportunity to serve the City of Winter Haven we thank you for our staff and all of our great residents we ask that you be with us and guide us we ask these things in your name amen amen to the flag of the United States of America and to theu which stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and jce all right have Commissioners had a chance to review the previous minutes if so we entertain a motion I would move that we accept the minutes of the last meeting second all right we have a second all those in favor say I I all oppose same sign all right minutes are approved um I'm going to move into a brief explanation of how the hearing will will go uh cases will be read into the record City staff will provide a presentation and Commissioners will have an opportunity to ask questions of Staff once Commissioners have had an opportunity to ask their questions we will close the planning portion of the hearing and open the public portion of the hearing anyone uh wishing to speak for or against a case may do so we ask that you start with the applicant and limit your comments to five minutes um once everybody has an opportunity to speak from the public we will close the public portion of the hearing and reopen the planning portion of the hearing um Commissioners will have an opportunity to ask additional questions or entertain a motion and a vote um if you think you may speak for or against a case if you would please stand and we'll ask Jordan to swear you in do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this case shall be the truth thank you all right moving into Old business um case number p- 24-22 request by Landmark Investments in to amend the planned unit development ordinance ordinance -89 d04 General location 800 Havendale Boulevard the area covered by this request is 13.58 plus or minus Acres Heather roer senior planner for the record um before you is the feature land use map um the subject property there is outlined and hashed um in Black this is primary mixed use Hub as are the surrounding um properties there that front on 17 and Havendale and then there is some traditional neighborhood area to the West as you look at the zoning map um this is part of a plane unit development um there's another plane unit development located to the west and C3 to the north as a um the additional part of the Spring Lake shopping center this is the aerial as you can see it is the southern portion of the Spring Lake um shopping plaza um and and then this is a view standing looking back at that portion of the shopping plaza as you enter in um as you look to the north you have the um a restaurant and um a commercial building as you look across the street there's a Salvation Army and uh vacant commercial building and also some high-rise um multifam as you uh look to the South there is a vacant restaurant and a new medical strip center and and then this is looking more at the subject property as you can see the movie theater and other vacant and uh occupied commercial tenants are within the plaza also in this strip Plaza as well and then this is the um vacant portion of the parcel um that is the Catalyst for this request where the multifam portion of the development uh would be little bit of background Landmark Investments Incorporated is the petitioner and request the city amend a portion of plan unit velopment ordinance 08904 the area subject to this request is the southern portion of a parcel located at 8 800 Havendale Boulevard the subject property contains approximately 13.58 acres and developed with a commercial shopping center and Associated parking the northern portion of the partial is designated as commercial Highway C3 zoning District the petitioner proposes to develop a vacant portion of the property designated in the current PUD as phase three of the commercial development with 100 multif family residential units the proposed area for multif family development is approximately 3.1 Acres when specifically examining this area it alone could be developed with up to 45,000 Square ft um of commercial space under the current PUD and primary mix use Hub future land use designation the current PUD ordinance is 35 years old contains references to obsolete zoning districts pertaining to permitted uses and does not provide development standards staff proposes to provide updated permitted uses and development standards for the existing developed commercial portion to align with current standards and Zoning districts uh staff does recommend approval of this request uh subject to the Pud conditions which are in your published agenda packet and it's hoing to the city commission for final action and this is the conceptual plan uh as you can see um within the conditions it talks about uses a lot within the commercial portion which is the highlighted yellow area and then there are standards for the residential multif family portion that is there in the bluish purple I stand for any questions you may have uh yes um where is the parking for these 100 family units um as I drive by that that site uh it looks like there is not really much area and and you've got a 100 unit there that that could be 300 automobiles well as you can see there by the conceptual plan which by the way is conceptual so location of buildings and parking is for visual um display only illustration purposes you can see that there's parking they're located within the buildings additionally it will require it to go through site plan and at that time they will have to demonstrate that they meet the parking minimums required for the units would you know what the minimum would be in terms of numbers of vehicles for the pro for the um projected 100 units okay it's it's around 1.7 per unit so that would be over 200 wouldn't it or 17 170 okay um the main road that goes through the there the you know Central entrance area um I live nearby and that particular entrance seems to be where the big trailers uh enter and go out um it would seem like that might be a problem having residential in all of those huge um you know Vehicles you know turning into there and and coming out and turning on to Highway 17 I um I don't know what New York State uh highway department has in mind for that area but it it it's already overc capacity without any question at all and then you add this to it um you know I I would like to see a report from the state highway on that particular area because it directly impacts all of the traffic going North all of the traffic south and in particular this residential area uh um from what I read here uh it doesn't say that this is housing for age 55 and older which which could mean that you could have several hundred you know children living there and uh is that really viable uh with the current state of Highway 17 and the plaza entrance in general um thank you hether during site plan approval they'll have to go through do and parking requirements and everything will be done through the site plan to for concurrency their access from Highway 17 um I I will point out that the Pud that is to the West here is for additional units um so it's the these additional units in this area would be as a part of other development um and additionally as shown in your fact sheet this is a major reduction in um what potentially could be developed under the current PUD and future land use I have a question uh just as a confirmation so um because it's so old obviously it's tough to find that PUD and and so what I wanted to ask when that was approved back in 1989 assuming or 1990 whenever it actually finally got approved um was it committed for that I'll say that that water use for that uh for that traffic count for or was it just more General back then definitely lot General the way it worked and that same with the plan unit development so it it did not go into details there's no setbacks there's no they didn't calculate like what that would mean far asct yeah there's nothing in there and and all the impact is done you know concurrency point with site plan um the current PUD list that all the permitted uses are those uses allowed in the BR zoning District the BR zoning District hasn't hasn't existed for 24 years sure so um we're kind of stuck with having to go back to what the code was in 2000 and say oh was that use allowed in BR you can have it and it doesn't match with our current standards in uh review processes for some uses so okay it does bring up the commercial part to date and also you know this this is a phase three commercial that never occurred so it allows for that area and primary mixed use Hub anticipates this mixed use and these commercial entities along with residential multif family to all live together like this so I one other question hether was there is any portion of this um involve removing any existing structures or is this strictly open land it's open land okay it's shoot great yeah it's right there it's wooded are any additional questions go the primary use for the P to the west of it is that's another residential correct it's multi family right that's and that one I think I vaguely remember it but yeah it's uh has it come through for a mod not that long ago it seems like no it's still the 06 PUD uh-huh um so but it would be basically a almost identical it's yeah it's multi family it's 168 units and then this is asking for an additional 100 so it'd be 268 total between the two and is is that one attached is it going to be like a collocated almost PUD but it's you know obviously the my understanding it's the same developer all right thanks yeah and I I would only add as a matter of background that um mixing uses um in a major you know you have a major shopping center here and so what we're talking about is mixing residential um near nearby to the major shopping center which alleviates potential traffic impacts on adjoining roads um significantly reduces potential trips on Havendale and us7 because residents can access the the retail establishments and the services and and um the movie theater and everything in that shopping center without actually getting on the the the roadway um and so it's a net positive from a transportation standpoint over what could be developed there as commercial uses I guess love questions right um because I I felt like um like I got the idea but that's what I was trying to confirm is the one to the West so I guess would would or could this potentially lead to some Redevelopment you know because I think that's the idea right is there's just no movement on that property that's the hope that's the Hope yeah okay because I mean on site it seems like people are moving out not in as far as on the commercial right and if you get some residential in there maybe you that's always the question do you do you bring the multif family first and that creates the commercial or do you need the commercial to bring multif family so it's kind of the commercial sitting there and half dormant half not you know or whatever caliber so this could allow for some Redevelopment within there all right one more question I have yes sir um um this this development is on Spring Lake which is a a small Lake a fishing lake uh a a quiet Lake uh will this development have open access for uh these um 200 units to all have uh a boat and and um to use the lake and has anybody explored whether this would be environmentally wise in terms of Spring Lake the number of housing units that are directly on that uh uh you've got one major U you know condominium complex of seven floors High um about 80 units um you know what is considered overdevelopment on a small beautiful Lake you so so um our code would allow for a multif family project to have a dock you can have a community dock associated with uh your residential project so um if they if they intended to have a dock there's a a means in our code by which they could permit um a dock on Spring Lake um as far as environmental impacts to the lake they have to go through Swift Mud permitting to capture all of their storm water they cannot discharge um and we have a engineer that sits on the the committee they can probably explain it better than I but um they have to capture and treat all of their storm water they can't discharge um directly into the lake um they have there's a a number of Permitting steps that they have to go through um through their uh Erp uh process to um ensure that they're they're not contaminating the lake um and putting any more water in there then um naturally flows into that lake so there there's lots of Permitting that they have to do in order to ensure that yeah I also point out too that um with it being commercial to today that would also allow a dock so they go put a dock there today as well all right any additional questions all right we'll close the planning portion the hearing and open the public portion of the hearing anybody from the public wishing to speak for or against um if we have the applicant here like to start with the applicant if you would please state your name and address for the record sure good afternoon Jason Bullard um civil engineer representing the agent uh 324 new Broad Street Orlando Florida uh I just would like to point out the request is for the PD amendment to be 100 units uh on the onset though we're not going to request the full build out of that we're not at this stage looking to do a dock although one is permitted if they chose to do one we are going to keep a buffer between Lakes spring and the development there's actually a retention Pond already between us and the lake and our intent is to keep that uh to keep that there so there still remain quite a bit of buffer between us and the lake um and as St mentioned the proposed uh use would be a reduction in impact for the area because the commercial is a much more intense uh intensity you have any questions I here I do okay um the current state of condominiums in Florida and creeping across the US uh makes it very questionable uh building uh you know Mass projects like this that are Condominiums because there are so many uh requirements that are changing and uh have you given consideration to this have you looked at the market in Winter Haven for Condominiums um the intent for right now these are will not be be Condominiums oh they won't be Condominiums no Apartments apartment apartment rentals rental apartments it's listed as multif family residential in the uses right I just assumed that they would be individually owned no anything else that's it thank you for your comments appreciate it anybody else go ahead please state your name and address for the record my name is Betty Hoffman and I'm a resident of Winter Haven and I live within 500 feet of the said property can you please State your address for the record no I don't think you guys save yours and I'm not sure if Landmark has a building with their address on it they did do you know their address he he just listed it he said his address yeah he did yeah but he's not Landmark is he it's a requirement of the public record for you to State your address all right US 17 in the 1700 block okay um landmark and I do not get along um Landmark is not like an entity it's a family own business um he doesn't care about people and you're kind of quiet you're saying a 100 units is this subsidized low income what is this you're not telling us you're just saying 100 unit multi-purpose families so I would like to know for the public you're kind of and you're when you're talking and I'm not I don't want to be critical I'm not a critical person I've just had experience with these people okay and I will go into that you are talking P6 and all these other terms but that doesn't tell me or anybody else who's interested in this okay all right so I will go into it and then I'll get to Mr Lane's thing too because I agree with him since I live on US 17 Landmark um I'm an older lady as you can see I'm not computer savvy he has um a management that takes care of that and when he goes to rent out a building over there um I don't think he does much of a background check in 2021 he was trying to put in a guy that used to own Carlos ganero who owned Gonzo's country bar and grill that had people shot and over Dr um served his customers and one went out and killed the person that was one a person he wanted to put in there thank goodness you voted that one down and then I want to draw to mind the spot the spot which had over a hundred police calls in four months with gang activity of over 100 people there playing loud disgusting music between the hours of 11:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m. speeding down US 17 sometimes three AB breast so there goes 21 22 23 lowless who said they were not any affiliation with the spot and that part of that mall had a different code for what they could put in there than the rest of that mall okay so they were in conjunction with the spot and they were having after Powers our parties between 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. and it was on social media serving liquor without a license um and the present time I have new neighbors at the old floridino some homeless people with their trash and mattresses on that porch now I am concerned of who's going to be my new neighbor judging by what he's had before I'm a little more than a little concerned traffic yes and it's not your fault fdot went down Havendale which turned into Martin Luther King on the other side of 17 put the median all the way down we used to be able to come down that and go down Sixth Street into the back of these a condos back there we can no longer do that like 17 isn't busy enough now they're sending us down 17 going south to get into these complexes you also have a center median right across from that entrance that goes in to that mall and there's maybe two car spots for anybody that's going to turn left across the street from florinos try getting in there when the traffic's as busy as it is that's not your fault but I hope you address that so you can see where I'm coming from um as far as somebody that lives there in that area and what's concerning and if you say to Landmark okay I would like to see some of it go I understand what the problem is strip malls are dying and I understand that but if you say the landmark yes you can have this which I would support as long as it was not subsidized if he sold that property to somebody else and made it nice yes but you still have traffic going in there I don't know how the driveway will be but when they turn into Spring Lake Mall most of that traffic is to come out on the other side of Havendale light not going into the shoing there they're coming all the way through and coming out to Havendale so it's not people going into shop it's to avoid the traffic light at the corner of 17 happen day so I just want to let you know that as a neighbor I do not respect landmark and because Landmark does not respect the neighborhood so that's the end of my comments thank you for your comments I'd like to point out a couple things on that so first of all um the talking of some of the unpermitted nightclub activities that occurred in the shopping plaza this PUD will actually help with some of that um the spot that was referenced was never approved um it opened saying it was a restaurant um however they were running as a nightclub however they're in this part of this 89 PUD that in the BR zoning District which are the permitted uses a nightclub was allowed by right without a special use approval however you did have to still meet the separation from a church which they did not meet which made them a code violation if someone went to come in at that this time now that would require them special approval a public hearing and to go through all the requirements of section 2196 of our code of ordinances um the other one that was in the C3 portion also was denied their special use approval by this board and operated illegally with that activity we can't we we we did not approve it it wasn't the zoning that caused that that was illegal activity that took place without any permission to do so um and then going into as far as what type of housing it is um you know we're not permitted to make decisions on zoning related to the income the whether it's market rate affordable Workforce whatever designation that is um and we can't make it as far as whether it's age restricted where that's would be breaking the law if we were making zoning DEC decisions in that manner so just would like to point those things out and and Heather if I can just add to that I mean does City staff see this as has you know Landmark making a significant investment into the neighborhood into that area to drive some of that activity and behavior out yeah certainly this this PUD will be an improvement over what's currently in place thank you anybody else from the public I minute we've got to move on and well let's let some other people talk and we can bring you back up if we have some time go ahead please please state your name and address for the record uh Michael Griffin 112 mirror Lane Northwest and Deborah Griffin white uh I we we will tag team y'all so it's maybe not it's not fair for y'all um I have more questions really rather than uh objections um we're still a little fuzzy on uh can you tell us or can can we redirect questions to the developers how many stories are we talking about here they're only they're only saying it's three acres 100 units on three acres is going to mean you're going to have to build up in my opinion but I'm not a a civil engineer so I I I can't say can we acquire how much how many floors we're talking about uh for those 100 units uh I Echo the same U concern that he she has with traffic flow I don't think you're allowed to turn left out of that main entrance on 17 you'll have to be forced to go south turning left into it is also going to be a a challenge I'd also like to contribute to that comment I you know do most of the shopping in the family and at 2:00 that road is backed up all the way on 17 all the way to the next life to Publix and people are forced to cut through the shopping center to make it to Havendale so you're taking one backed up Road and you're going on to another backed up Road and I've seen some very dangerous behavior of people driving through red lights to make it onto Havendale all the time and of course we live in the neighborhood behind so I am forced when I am on H Havendale I am forced to not turn into my neighborhood in the designed turn lane that has already been designed that will probably hold maybe two and a half Cars I have to drive all the way down make a U-turn to get back into the neighborhood and that's from 2 to about 6:37 o'clock every day every day of the week right now and you're telling us that they're going to have you say 170 I think you're more accurate over 200 uh cars and then I just hear today this meeting that there's another proposed building to the West that's going to have how many units how many cars are those going to be so we're got we've got close to 200 Cars and then we're going to have another 200 Cars we've got 400 cars and no way in no way out they're sharing the parking lot with a shopping center for their means of getting emergency activity if there's a some kid has a heart attack some old person has a heart attack or a kid drowns in the lake they will not be able to get in to help those people and talking about the lake we have some friendly alligators all the time in those lakes and we've had homeless people setting up shops so I would love to see something built there don't get me wrong but children around this lake is going to be just a horrible horrible scenario for the city and you'll be making in the front page news probably for years and years to come I have another question of technical question I guess maybe is is it is it true or not true that you have to have uh two ways to get in and out of a facility like this or an apartment complex and if so obviously we know about the exit and entrance off of 17 but are we really uh the secondary exit entrance is that going to be through the shopping center uh that's really the only path that they can take to get in and out of that faity or are they attempting to build a road maybe behind the shopping center to get that second entrance or exit I I don't know what the requirements are all right okay I'll try I'll try to address some of these and and Heather can fill in the gaps if I miss something on the on the traffic side they will have to demonstrate at the time of site plan approval when they actually submit their site plans for the site that there is adequate capacity on US Highway 17 and or Havendale because of the access they will likely um travel up through the shopping center to the other access point on Havendale as well and it's my understanding that the site um is likely to be um constructed in conjunction with the multif family that's already approved on the western side so there's likely going to be another access point so there'll be multiple access points to and from the site but they will have to demonstrate at the time of site plan plan approval that there is adequate capacity on the roadway Network to handle this development and if there isn't they have to make improvements to the roadway Network to handle the additional traffic that's how we get turn Lanes extended and so who would be on the lights installed and things like that that are required to handle the traffic who would be paying for that the developer the developer would yeah yes ma'am and um I think I addressed it so access concurrency height so yes so the multi family um per the Pud proposed conditions would be developed under our R3 um multif Family low density zoning District within the R3 um zoning District it allows a Max height of 52 feet up to four floors as a maximum but I don't know if that is the intended height that the developer plans to go but they would have that as well as any other R3 property within the city so no more than four floors yeah so did I get it wrong that there's not an adjacent property planned to the West there is snuck that in there you said it's already been approved that's when was that P approved it's from 2006 it's been approved since 2006 Z the zoning and then site plan is only a staff level review it doesn't require coming back to a public hearing as long as they develop to the Pud as it's written and improved in from 06 so how many housing US units would that be it's uh 168 168 on top of the proposed hundreds that's 268 so we're close to 300 plus cars on this this road that isn't even handling the traffic today so let's say that they build let's start building this year uh how long will it be how long will it be before you require them to do something about the traffic before they even get their their site plan approval they have to demonstrate all of that and that would be a part if they're required to make any improvements um to to meet that concurrency they would have to demonstrate all of that and that would be a part of the requirement of development that's one how would they handle emergency how would the traffic flow with an emergency scenario they would be buzzing through a uh commercial the ambulance would be buzzing through uh shopping centers I mean no different than it is today if there's an emergency in the shopping center that's how well there's there's an emergency in a shopping center once a month maybe but we're talking about 260 living fames it's a shared driveway access as many uh multif family developments have is one shared driveway access into the the apartment area okay what we see okay oh uh one more question I don't know if they have projected this enough or not you you you said there's uh they have a permit or the ability to put a dock in dock is one thing a a set of slips for boats to be stored there is in my opinion a different animal is there a disting do you all distinguish between a boat dock and boat slips so we actually our code calls them all Marine structures and there are different guidelines for single family Marine structure versus a multif family or commercial there is the ability to have um more than you know one slip located when it's multif family it's so many per units with a Max of no more than 10 slips per Marine structure so uh with that amount of units they they could have 10 strips on it it's very similar to on the southern side of the lake the multif family condominiums that are there they have a couple um Marine structures that have multiple slips on them so but it wouldn't be like a a large Marina it would yeah it would be it was small but I yeah yeah on there's noage on the well yeah well not a couple but there's a couple lips okay all right guys we we got to we got to please yeah okay so we're saying that they would be allowed to have boats stored and and build some kind of functioning money-making Venture on this Spring Lake to store boats that's not no no we're not talking it would be for the residents to be able to utilize if it was developed and then there's the hunting issue we have duck Hunters that come on to Spring Lake all the time is that going to come to a stop who's going to be in charge that's not regulated by the City of Winter Haven or relevant to this request that's that's regulated by the state we're preempted we can't it's just another another unseen danger that nobody's even thought about so I just I think you somebody should say that they're hunting over there okay and people have had Windows yeah with buck shot in them okay all right thank you for your comments we have anybody else from the public would like to speak please I thought I saw six hands you have to sign me in or something um I have a few comments about your name and your address yes Deborah and Anderson and I'm on 13th Street North Northwest um Spring Lake is a spring fed Lake which some Lakes aren't which I am aware of I am concerned duck space really concerned about the traffic of those two developments that you say are by the same company I um also heard from the neighborhood that they weren't well informed about this meeting which is very important when you want to change zoning that people get the message clearly and with enough time and I was very surprised as you that this wasn't a condo i' love the eight homes go in there but um multif Family apartment complexes um have a different bring to me I'd like for you to consider the welfare of the local residents as well as um fashioning Winter Haven to be one more wonderful I um represent four other neighbors one who's celebrating his 60th birthday tonight wouldn't come another woman was putting in brand new flooring today she had carpet and tile put in her house and another neighbor had to go leave to New York for a h sick mother-in-law was having surgery on Friday so I'm one of four that have these same concerns I also have no idea because I didn't I must have missed the introduction I don't know who the lady is in the mustard dress I don't know who you are and how you are you a commissioner or ma'am I'm uh Planner on on staff for the city thisa I so they are the Planning Commission they are an appointed board by the city commission and I am on City staff in our planning division so staff provides a background gentle yes he is our director and I think that's oh wait I want to know I think this is the meeting when you should address and not the site planning approval meeting when you should address what the traffic going to look like new lights new turning um alleys Etc to me that's that needs to be taken not at the I think I think just just to clarify some points too um from the presentation that the allotted use today would allow 430,000 Square F feet of commercial space potentially creates a lot of trips and higher intensities and that's just in the blue area if you look at the entire area they could develop with what 1.6 million 1.7 1.7 million square ft so it's a it's a great it's a great reduction in density it's a great reduction in in capacity to address the the traffic concerns um our code requires that we address traffic at the time of site plan approval because that's when we know exactly how many units and what type of units and what type of development is going in there what we're considering tonight is a zoning request to allow for um a reduction of impacts and allow for 100 multif family units the developer may choose to put in 40 units or 80 units the maximum is 100 we also don't know if it will be condominiums or whether it would be multifam rentals or whether it would be senior restricted so we do not know at this point exactly what the traffic impacts will be that's why we have to do it at site plan approval so that when they come in and we know okay it's going to be senior restricted or it's going to be families or it's going to be 80 units or it's going to be 100 units then we can run the appropriate calculations and know what the um traffic impacts are devel I'm sorry you have to speak from the microphone so it's on the record yes ma'am the question was that's is that de the developers call yes multifam is multif family we don't distinguish between whether it's a condo use um we're not allowed by federal fair housing law to um uh distinguish between uh whether it's an ownership or it's a rental whether it's senior restricted or whether it's family whether it's um income restricted or uh or any of that we're not allowed to we're we're just allowed to say is multif family an appropriate use here or is it not and if if we consider any of those other factors we're we violating federal fair housing law and of course you'll be concerned with Americans with disability of course Park as well as structure of course our our code our code requires a minimum amount of handicap parking everything has to be Ada access accessible of course yes ma'am I'd also like to address the comment about notice for this meeting it was properly noticed um with mailer sent out to a 500t radius um posted and an ad was taken out uh for the May Planning Commission meeting at that meeting the Planning Commission took appropriate action to continue it to the June 4th meeting so therefore it is properly noticed thank you any additional comments please sir on the record not that it needs to be um could I as a citizen do they already know what their use is going to be if it's going to be 55 plus or all single family or how many can do you good faith kind of En likeness as to what what your plans are thank you all right anybody from the public yes ma'am ma'am Hi how are you good my name Crossing last nowhere near this location I guess my main question first of all I'm new to these so I'm not real sure I'm assuming this is a planning just to Z it correct correct when is enough enough in this city we going up everywhere we're tearing we're ripping up trees we're doing all of this when is enough enough I mean I don't see the hospitals the schools the roads none of that seems to be it's almost like they're putting all this housing first and then addressing all the rest of it later the police department the um all of that just seems to me like I don't know every time I turn around I'm seeing a new development go up I'm just like you know at what point are we going to run our water are we not going to be able to drive up and down our roads because it 45 minutes to get from one end of the town to the other when it used to be 10 it just seems like I I just don't know where the stopping point is when do we say enough's enough I I can interject on the on the H uh well especially on the hospitals I know uh Advent health is building and they just open an ER in southeast Winter Haven they're going to build a large capacity Hospital there uh I'm familiar with the what their growth plan is in this area as far as roads there's some extremely large road project that the county finally has money for many of the large roads in this area are actually owned by and controlled by the by the County right now they're building West Pipkin in South Lakeland and soon they'll be building Thompson Nursery which is probably their biggest investment maybe ever it might be what hundred million they're putting into that one road which will move things from Southeast to Southwest Winter Haven without running it through which is a huge problem um water uh the county and all of the region is putting in roughly I don't want to say the wrong number large numbers we'll say it's approaching probably a billion dollars when you think of all of the areas looking at alternative water supplies and it's to get over 30 maybe more uh million gallons a day for residents because uh and actually a lot of what's being redeveloped used to be Groveland which actually had a much much much much higher like to the factor of four or five water demand that's why the Lakes largely are kind of coming back and they're uh Reviving and um and then I'll say Mike Brit uh has been spearheading a huge project to clean up the water uh because years ago we didn't know what we were doing um we didn't know that we were polluting our own water sources by some of the developments and so his Legacy I guess is this sapphire necklace project which is really to reestablish and um put put the water back into this environment I know it's not obvious we have so many plans and I'm on uh that's what I'm asking yeah so I will say like these these people here are understaffed and probably overworked because you're right they're um there's so much development going on and we're we've been planning for many years on this it's just trying to keep up with it is is a challenge but know my quity water home I will drink it GL I will not drink that water understood and there it's like is this going to get better because you guys just redid all of that through my neighborhood it seems to be worse than it was before so I that's that's where my concerns are coming from like and I know this is a Florida concern sure GR in Florida is you know I'm really worried about our Aqua far not going lie but you know I know it's everywhere but it's just like you know as our small little town as much as we love it enough got to at some point all these developments everywhere we're taking up every inch of spare space out there and the trees coming down are not helping with global warming whether you believe in it or not it does those trees help with with the temperatures I can I can tell I'll let them feel that because I'm so glad they're actually working on that right now yeah yeah so so I can tell you that um you're not the only one with with these concerns right believe it or not believe it or not the people sitting at this table have the same have the same concerns um you know it's uh urban planning is an interesting field and it's a balance between private property rights which is the Cornerstone of the American economy and the community's ability to uh plan for the use of that property in an appropriate and effective and efficient way right and so it's that Balancing Act the only way that a that a community really can say no to something is if they run out of resources right run out of water run out of the ability to treat waste water water U run out of of land um because we live in America we have private property rights we can't tell somebody you can do nothing with your property right they have to be able to do something with it right so have to get approved through all of you guys before they correct correct which goes back to our point that this is already approved for several hundred, square feet of retail and so allowing a 100 apartmentss to go here is actually a reduction over what could go there and so as a staff we look at that and we say well that's a better case scenario it's a it's less water use it's l less Wastewater generation it's less trips over what's already approved there hence the recommendation for approval from staff but we have an urban forestry plan that we're implementing to try to plant more trees in the urban space and in the urban environment to compat Global Waring because we recognize what you recognize somebody's putting in a 200 unit subdivision and they're wiping out all the trees it's happening everywh how do we replace all correct correct my final thing I'm not sure who mentioned it but there was something about what the like people being able to shop in that Plaza have you guys been to that Plaza yeah there's a dollar store there's a rent to own there's a gym and there's a theater and an ice cream shop that's literally about all that's in there Tom meing in there right so that's part right so that traffic in and out that's not going to leave them that's not going to help those people unless they're run into the Dollar General or the Dollar Tree for a gallon of milk they're going to have to leave and come in and out of there to do anything in this town that's that Clause is not going to support those people so I don't know what the plans are for that place but um like somebody else mentioned the stri walls they're become thing if I can add to that too the the revision in the Pud does allow does give the city additional oversight as to what happens in that shopping center as well okay yeah something needs to be re okay thank you for your time thank you for your comments anybody else all right we will close the public portion of the hearing and reopen the planning portion of the hearing any additional questions I've already closed the public portion L and I just asked if we typically you use your time when you're up and you don't get to retain we we've we've closed the the public portion reopened the planing portion um any additional questions I just have one question yes sir so uh at the time of the uh final approval when the developer decides what type of units that's going to be will that be is that something that's made known to the public if it's going to be multif family housing it's going to be subsidized homes so we would use that information it would be in their application for site plan approval and we would use that information to um you know do traffic generation and parking requirements and and stuff like that yeah yeah and it's anybody can do a public records request to CSI plan yeah no worries that's all I got should should we ask the applicant if he wants to answer any of the questions um as as the applicant did you want to address any of these these questions are concerned no okay thank any additional questions from Commissioners um I'd like to entertain a motion to uh uh well I'll entertain a motion to approve case number p- 24-22 request by Landmark Investments Incorporated to amend planned unit development coordinates -89 d04 General location 800 havale Boulevard the area recovered the area covered by this request is 13 plus 13.58 plus or minus Acres second all those in favor say I I all approve same sign all all against same sign I all right moving on to new business case number p- 24- 06-s request by jsk Consulting for special use approval for personal storage in the highway the commercial Highway C3 zoning District General location portion of the parcel located at the southwest corner of the intersection of el Eloise Loop Road uh Thompson Nursery Road West Lake Ruby Drive and Lake Road the area covered by this request is seven plus or minus Acres all right so we received a request today by jsk uh Consulting who is the applicant to continue this item to our next meeting uh I request that um we have a motion to continue to the July Planning Commission meeting and I would keep it as that because later at the meeting we'll discuss if what date the July meeting will be held on so I'll make a motion to continue case number p-2 24- 06-s to the July 2024 Planning Commission meeting second all right we have second all all those in favor say I I I all oppose same sign all right cases continued case number p2407 DS request by River Card LLC for special use approval for a b Banquet Hall located in the plan unit development uh zoning District subject to PUD ordinance -24 d01 General location 19 1977 and 1983 21st Street Northwest the area covered by this request is 05 Plus orus 8 all right here is the zoning map as you can see the hashed area are the units that are in question um along this commercial PUD it's located at the intersection of 21st Street in Haven Del Boulevard um adjacent is a PUD to the West which is developed with um multifam and uh there is C3 to the South and the East uh as you look at the aerial you can see there it is a developed a multi-building commercial development um and then these are two units within the the largest building on the property this is a picture looking at the subject units uh looking at the um commercial strip center as you looked to the Northeast uh as you look to the east along Haven Del there's a gas station at that intersection um as you look AC cross Havendale to the South um there is vacant commercial located there and again as you look to the West there are um the lake I Lake Idle Wild town homes or apartments multif family there we go Evergreen that's what it's called sorry I couldn't remember anyways River Card LLC is the petitioner and request special use approval for a banquet hall located in the plan unit development PUD zoning District subject to PUD ordinance 02401 the property subject to this request is is located at 1977 and 1983 21st Street Northwest in the is wild Plaza the applicant's tenant proposes to operate a banquet hall called Majestic canvas events in the approximately 2400t leas space the proposed floor plan for Majestic canvas events is open space to be set up specifically for each event hours of operation will vary based on booked events per section 2196 the applicant has developed a security plan that has been approved by the chief of police a banquet hall with 24 400 ft of gross flow area would require 34 parking spaces there is adequate shared parking or parking in the shared parking lot of the Idol wild Plaza to support this request uh staff does recommend that the Planning Commission approve this request and this is the um floor plan for the banquet hall s for any questions any questions Commissioners all right we will close the planning portion of the hearing and open the public portion of the hearing anybody wishing to speak for or against starting with the applicant please state your name and address for record 11 Street South any questions know's littleit issue conts that are do this they're very excited and I told them corre anybody else from the public all right we will close the public portion of the hearing and reopen the planning portion of the hearing any additional questions or will entertain a motion I'll make a motion to approve case number p2407 s request by River Card LLC for special use approval for a banquet hall located in the Pud plan unit development zoning District subject to PUD ordinance 0-24 d01 G General location 1977 and 1983 21st Street Northwest the area covered by this request is 0 0.05 plus minus Acres as presented in the fact sheet second all right we have a second all those in favor say I I all oppose same sign all right Cas is approved moving on case number p- 248-b Clinic PA for special use approval for an accessory Pharmacy and a medical clinic in the mixed use zoning District General location 500 East Central Avenue the area covered by this request is 2.56 plus or minus Acres all right as you can see this is the zoning Mount this property is zoned MX um and the surrounding properties in all direction are also zoned MX as you look at the aerial this is the Bond Clinic um establishment here on Central Avenue it does spance between 6th Street and Fifth Street um across the street there's a mixture of um small medical offices and other business offices and then their parking is to the South and the East this is a view of the subject property looking to the north standing on Avenue A and this is a view of the subject property on Central Avenue uh as you look to the West there are other Medical Offices um as well as um offices and medical offices to the North and then again um additional parking to the east across 6 Street Bond Clinic is the petitioner and request special use approval for an accessory Pharmacy and a medical clinic located in the mixed use MX zoning District the subject property totaling 2.56 plus or minus acres is located at 500 East Central Avenue and contains an approximate 93,9 120t Medical Clinic the petitioner proposes to operate a 2004 Square ft Retail Pharmacy embedded inside the medical clinic for patients of Bond Clinic the proposed hours of operation are from Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. as the customers of the pharmacy will be patients of the medical clinic Min minimal impacts to public infrastructure are expected uh staff does recommend that the Planning Commission approve this request stand for any questions that you may have any questions I one question so is that is it's all wrting existing structure so is that going to be it's going to be you have to go into the Clint to get to the farm okay that's correct it's a it was an internal renovation inside in that area there that's shown on the screen any other questions we will close the planning portion of the hearing and open the public portion of the hearing anybody from the public wishing to speak for or against the youve more than anything this is our second time coming the commission and we also City commission we just want to go on record as thank you guys for your time thanking ER lady and staff um so much for making this process for us so that's unless questions all thank you appreciate it anyone else all right we will close the public portion of the hearing and reopen the planning portion of the hearing any additional questions or entertain a motion like to entertain a motion for case number p24 08-s request by Bond Clinic PA for special use approval for an accessory Pharmacy and a medical clinic and the mixed use only District General location 500 East Central Avenue the area covered by this request is 2.56 plus or minus Acres a second we have a second all those in favor say I I all oppose same sign all right case is approved moving on case number p-2 4- 09-s request by wayy Lea for special use approval for a large scale drinking establishment in the commercial downtown C1 zoning District General location 254 West Central Avenue the area covered by this request is 0.5 plus or minus Acres all right uh this is the zoning map it's located in our uh downtown which is all Zone C1 as you can tell um this is the aerial map um it is um the Eastern portion of the Southern arcade that is located at this address on Central Avenue as you look here this is the subj property um it is the UN unit located there um east of the Breezeway uh as you look it also um there is seating along within the Breezeway as well um and then as you look to the West there is um office uses and other um drinking establishments uh located to the west and as you look uh North across Central Avenue uh you have The Tap Room a real estate office and the Reds and again more to the east you have the Peterson and Meers uh office is immediately adjacent uh whey Leo is the petitioner and request special use approval for a large scale drinking establishment located in the commercial downtown se1 zoning District the property subject to this request is located at 254 West Central Avenue the applicant proposes to operate a drinking establishment called obscure Bottle Shop in the approximately 2100t leas space the proposed floor plan for obscure Bottle Shop contains four tables and a bar without seating the proposed hours of operation are from 11:00 a.m. to 8: p.m per section 2196 the applicant has developed a security plan that has been approved by the chief of police a large scale drinking establishment with approximately 2100 ft of gross floor area would require 30 parking spaces since the property is located in the C1 zoning district there are no on-site parking requirements however within the downtown Corridor there are approximately 700 public parking spaces either on Street in a parking lot or in the Downtown parking garage um staff does recommend that the Planning Commission approve this case subject to the conditions in the agenda packet and this is the floor plan that was submitted I stand for any questions that you may have had do they already have a special use approval for a previous business no um the Agape Agora was located in there and that was considered a um restaurant in retail so um this will be my understanding is they will the package part of it does not require special use approval however they are going to have on on-site consumption located in it so that is the part that requires the special use approval so not really much of a change other than removal of food from what's taking place there today and the addition of alcohol cuz they currently aren't permitted for alcohol with theora okay got any additional questions all right I was just is it associated with the one few doors down or same yeah same are they moving or is it an additional additional business all right cool all right we will close the uh planning portion and open the public portion anybody wishing to speak for against this case all right we close the public portion and reopen the planning portion any additional questions or motion that's entertain the motion for case number P to approval for case number P d2409 DS request by Lee White laow for special use approval for a large scale drinking establishment in the commercial downtown C1 zoning District location 2 20254 West Central Avenue the area covered by request is 0.05 plus or minus Acres second we have a second all those in favor say I I I all oppos same sign all right case is approved moving on to other business comments from Staff All right so your July meeting date so it is scheduled for Tuesday July 2nd so that is very close to the Independence Day holiday so we need to discuss will we have a quorum or do we need to look at um moving it to another July date which the suggestion would be one week later on the 9th which could still affect with the holiday being on the Thursday prior so uh we we need to see if we're going to have a solid quarum before because we do have to advertise and we have items that need to go forward so um I will not be here okay both days no ninth would I'm fine I'm Gone the week the week of I'm not available the nth I'll beight I'm available both days so I'm available both you okay so second so was it the second or the ninth what the nth n the nth okay so then we will need an actual motion to um move the meeting date to the 9th I'll go ahead and make a motion to move the July meeting to July 9th second have second all all in favor say I I I all oppos same sign I'll just put on the record as well the meeting or the item that was continued earlier in the meeting will be heard then on July 9th okay um comments from planning Commissioners all right comments from the public no all right you are journ okay we did it right