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>> Marsh here. Mr. Hanza, >> yes. >> Mr. Fber >> here. >> Vice Chair >> Mr. Calfman here. Mr. >> Barber here. Mr. back here. >> I'm getting this. >> Okay. Um,
we have a minute for the 30th meeting. >> Motion motion to approve them on the meeting. safe. >> I'm embarrassed. >> Meeting before you step down. >> Okay,
>> sure. So, uh, the special meeting is >> Yeah, Chest Road, they asked for a special meeting. Um I just wanted to check if December 2nd was okay with everybody so I can let them know and then if it is then we can go ahead and
notice for it. I can do this. >> Um it's I believe so. Yes. >> Yes. >> That gives us a plenty of time to make 700 something >> time. 77 >> or
>> is there anyone >> who's that >> here who can't make it on December second? >> I can't make it. You can't make it up there. >> We'll be in one system. >> All right. Well, we we do have a lot of
He hasn't >> there are no variances. There's no certainly no D variances. So I I think we have enough alternates. We should be able to get one. Okay. I only heard one no so far. Everybody
else is thinking >> a little bit more than that. >> Okay. >> But Curado, our board chairman said that he he would he's available. Okay. So >> okay, that's it. by Zoom. >> Yeah, that was not a problem. >> So, it'll be here.
>> Okay, there you go. Sound >> you know, if the applicants attorney doesn't object, I doubt that he would. Okay. Um, so the answer is probably yes. >> Is there attorney? >> Mark Le. So, just to comment though, it is on the
agenda for next week as well. chance. >> Um, so I guess um that we'll start that >> No, I don't think they're coming in November. >> They're coming in November. >> They're coming in November, too.
>> There are two other applications which probably at least the one for the steps was not extensive. Maybe it's about the vision. >> Well, maybe, you know, I guess his idea is that he'll get started in November
and hoping to complete it in December, but um see how it goes. >> But I think the other two are ahead of him, the other two applications. I mean, one is the residential and uh for stairs and the setback I
think basement type stairs and the other is a a two lot subdivision, >> but we'll address that when the time comes. >> Okay, but I'll notice in the paper special. >> Okay, that ends that board discussion.
So, we have a new application 926 Avenue. Just for the record, Nicole Morris is stepping down from the deis. >> Couldn't hear what you said. >> Just for the record, the whole mor is stepping down from the deis.
>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. 25. I am, Mr. Chairman. Whenever you're ready. >> I think we're ready. >> Okay, great. >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. My name is Michael Pomali of
the law firm Gashion and Pamako, Wow and Drive, Sweet 102, West Orange, New Jersey. Appearing tonight on behalf of applicant Manor 26 LLC. The applicant is before the board tonight requesting preliminary and final major site plan approval with associated
variance relief and design waiverss. >> Yep. And then our IT department will take it from there. >> When you say they'll take it from there, what does that mean? Do I share my screen? >> Okay, that's great.
Thank you. Subject property is located uh at the corner of Prospect Avenue in Crestfield Court and is also known as 25 Prospect Avenue. Uh also block 2701, lot 10 on the tax maps of the burrow of Woodcliffe Lake. The property was previously
operated as the Woodcliffe Manor since as far back as the 1970s, but unfortunately the Woodcliffe Manor closed during the CO 19 pandemic and did not reopen. Should the present application be approved, the current owner of the property intends to make a substantial investment to improve the property and continue the restaurant
use. In support of this application tonight, I intend to call six witnesses. We'll move as fast as we can through this application, but we do have six witnesses this evening if we get to them. First, I intend to call the project manager, Matthew Valerio, who'll be responsible to oversee the project and the operation of the proposed
restaurant. Then I intend to call our project architect, Arthur Michaels, to describe the existing building's condition and then go over the interior and exterior improvements proposed. Next, I'll call our project engineer, Matthew Greco, to describe the existing site and then to testify regarding the
improvements proposed to the site. Uh, then I'll call our project landscape architect, William Boyce, to go over the proposed landscaping for the site. Then we have a traffic engineer, Justine Fox, who will testify regarding the anticipated parking demand for the restaurant and how the parking will be
handled as well as the anticipated traffic impacts to the nearby roadways. And lastly, if we get there, I intend to call our project planner, Thomas Ricky, to testify regarding the zoning considerations uh for this proposed use as well as the variances requested in connection with the application. Um so
with that, Mr. Chairman, I would ask to call my first witness for this evening, Mr. Matthew Valerio. Does he use this microphone? He does. >> I think you should pull up the chair. >> No problem. >> Nice. Nice. Do you swear?
No, the red light means they're on. >> Just leave them on. >> If the red light is on, that means it's on. >> Was off the whole time. >> So, everybody's light should be on. >> Light should be on. >> Okay. Right. There's no video. We stream. >> Yes.
>> It's just material. >> It's >> which is you stand and raise your right hand, please. >> Yes. You swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth to help you God. >> Yes. >> Can you state your full name and business address for the record? >> It's Matthew Valerio, business address 6
West belt, Wayne, New Jersey, zip code 07470. >> Good evening, Mr. I just want to note for the recording. >> Okay. Noted for the record. >> Thank you. May I uh begin? >> You may begin. >> Thank you.
>> Uh Mr. people, what's your position with 805 Hospitality Group, which is the management company that will operate the restaurant at the property. >> I'm the director of hospitality operations. >> And for the record, I'd ask to confirm the property is in fact owned by Lake Prospect a LLC. Uh, and that the
restaurant is leased from Lake Prospect LLC to Manor 26 LLC, the applicant, both of which are subsidiary entities of 805 hospitality group. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's correct. Uh, you're authorized to speak on behalf of the applicant entity, Manner 26 LLC. >> Yes.
>> How long has Lake Prospect AB LLC owned the subject property? >> They've owned the the property since August 23rd, 2023. >> And would you generally describe the condition and use of the property from the time Lake Prospect LLC took ownership? >> The property was unused in a state of
disrepair. >> Uh, and it was not operated at that point in time when we took ownership. >> No. Correct. And again, generally we have several expert witness who will testify in greater detail during the course of this hearing, but should the present application before the board be
approved. What improvements are proposed and how will the property? >> We plan on fully renovating the exterior and interior of the building and then operating as a full-ervice restaurant serving lunch and dinner. >> And and what's your idea as far as the
restaurant? So the what type of restaurant is this going to be? So, it'll serve contemporary American modern cuisine. Um, you know, elevated concept, not not too elevated where, you know, you need to come in with a sport coat every day. It'll have a comfortable,
family-friendly environment. Um, and, you know, we believe it'll it'll have a massive improvement and uh for in the community. >> Great. And what are the proposed hours of operation for the restaurant? We're planning on running from Sunday through
Thursday, opening at 11:30 a.m., closing at 10 p.m., and then Fridays and Saturdays from 11:30 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. >> How many employees are proposed for the busiest shifts? And would you just describe how they'll be employed from past facto?
>> So, busiest shifts anticipating about 30 total employees. uh busiest shifts um anticipating 30 30 employees and then 22 of which front of house and then eight back house employees. >> We just try to speak slowly because we are being uh transcribed.
>> Got it. Got it. Noted. >> Will valet parking be utilized at the restaurant? >> Yes, valet parking will be utilized during peak hours. So primarily weekends and dinner shifts and then during uh larger private events during lunch hours, we'll also have valet parking on
site. So basically when you determine that you need it, you will order. >> Absolutely. >> Uh will the restaurant have a liquor license? >> Yes. >> And for the hours of operation, when will the restaurant stop serving food? >> It'll stop serving food 1 hour prior to
closing. So Sunday through Thursday, we'll stop serving food at 9:00 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays at 10 p.m. >> We're proposing uh an outdoor patio and outdoor deck areas. What will the hours of operation be for those outdoor areas? So, the both outdoor areas will fall in
line with our kitchen hours. So, we'll we'll stop serving out there. We'll we'll close those areas down at 9:00 p.m. Um the deck area will be we won't do food service out there. It'll be primarily pre and post function space. So, think you know your pre-dinner
cocktail while you're waiting for your table or your party to arrive for a reservation. Um and then the main patio area with food service. Last seating will be 90 minutes prior to kitchen close. So, Sunday through Thursday, we'll have our last seating at 7:30 p.m.
Fridays and Saturdays last seating at 8:30 p.m. >> Will there be any dinner music or other uh outdoor entertainment offered on the outdoor patio, the deck, or really any of the outdoor areas? >> No, no, no live entertainment or dinner music anywhere outside.
>> Is there any lighting proposed for the outdoor patio and deck areas? >> Yeah. Um, we'll have low voltage beastro string lighting, something similar, um, in both outdoor areas as well as, uh, sconces along the entry and exit. And then postcap lighting along the
railings. Um, just make sure the area is well lit. Um, safe for not only guests but employees as well. >> This lighting is is aesthetic and safety in nature only. >> Exactly. is aesthetic for aesthetic purposes and
safety in nature only. And would you answer it again? >> Yes. >> Uh, will the outdoor patio and deck areas be open all year round or will these areas be closed during the winter months? >> They'll be closed during the winter months.
>> And if they're closed during the inter winter months, what if any type of heating equipment will be used in the outdoor patio and outdoor deck areas? >> Well, no. Oh, no. Heating equipment whatsoever. >> Are you planning on holding any private parties at the restaurant? And if so, would they be limited to any specific
times? >> Yes, we're planning to have private events. Um, they'll be limited to our operating hours. Basement level up to 60 people and then on our main level up to 136 people. >> I'm sorry, what was that? 60 people where? >> On our basement level.
>> Basement level. and on the other level >> and then 136 people on the main dining level. >> Right. So that's that's a capacity for private events or that's the total events? >> That's just what we're going to have for private events. That's what we're going to offer.
>> So during a private event in the basement, there's other seating. >> Yeah. >> In addition to the 60. >> Yeah. Whether it's, you know, just regular day-to-day or if we have another private event on the main level. Got >> it. With regard to deliveries, when will the
deliveries to the restaurant be scheduled and how will the restaurant send those deliveries? >> So, we're going to schedule deliveries three days a week, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays with a delivery window from 10:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. Um, and then we'll have a designated delivery area
10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And then we'll have a designated delivery area at the rear of the building um right up against the kitchen. Just a little pointer. This woman has to take down every word,
every single word, every comment, and do it during interruptions sometimes when you're speaking. So, you could just go a little bit slower. It's also beneficial to the board members, too. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> How will refuge collection be handled? Uh, and when will that refuge collection be scheduled? So refuge collection will follow the turning template that's in the site plan. Um we'll have a contracted license hauler. They'll come on site. We have a designated refu
enclosure at the rear of the parking lot that'll be closed when it's not in use. They'll open it up, load the truck. All staging of the truck will be on site um and then close it when they're done and then leave the site. We'll probably schedule three days a week, Mondays,
Wednesdays, and Fridays with a delivery with a not delivery window with a window between 8:00 a.m. and 10 p and 10:00 a.m. >> And if there are uh large events or additional pickups are needed, will we be able to schedule additional pickups if needed?
>> 100%. >> Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions with this. I turn them over to the board. Meo here. Have any comments questions? >> One during the private events is the regular restaurant also. >> Yeah.
>> So it'll be 196 full capacity in the private. So then how many would be in the regular restaurant? >> So if it's if the basement and the in the main level, we won't do any food service upstairs. It'll just be cocktail experience and cigar lounge. This >> be cocktail >> experience
and cigar lounge. 25 30 people max >> I believe on the second floor it's it's a little bit over 50 >> y one time it possibly have 250 people guests >> yes >> you have 250 people guests and then your
staff of the 30 >> yes I guess a little help for everybody what is the background of the operating company. What other establishments do you own or run or? >> So, we have we have five properties currently um in our portfolio. Um two
operating, one's in right right around the corner in Westwood, the Tavern at the Iron Horse, and then we have a barbecue spot up in Mawa called the Mason Jar. Um the two other properties under renovation is a gastro pub out in Sussex County. And then we have a was an
old sports bar. It'll be just kind of a neighborhood bar, modern American cuisine bar um restaurant in Wayne, New Jersey. Um the background is um we have our our our owner investor, you know, he's been in food service for 35
40 plus years, grew up in Bergen County. Um you know, there's he had an opportunity to invest in it was the Iron Horse. Um, and he didn't want to see it turn into, you know, an apartment complex or something that wasn't a restaurant. It was a
neighborhood staple in the community. It's it's a restaurant that he loved. It was one of his first 10 customers back when his father owned the company. Um, so he he purchased that and then another restaurant came along that was very similar in nature up in Mawa where, you
know, it's this neighborhood staple. He wanted to kind of keep it running, you know, get the right people in there. um get get operations efficient and make it a profitable business. Um and then it kind of grew from there. So the company is still young. You know, we're we'll be
3 years old uh come December and uh we're looking to continue growing uh keep adding these these neighborhood staples, community hubs to to the to the group. Just >> you may not know the answer to this. >> Yeah. Do you know how many people when
the prior establishment was open what the capacity was there? >> I don't. >> That's all. >> That was my question. >> You think you think like >> maybe we'll find out later somebody else.
>> Dan, your chairman. [clears throat] >> I was saying that we'd like to find that uh the answer to that question because that's a common thought here. We This is a food establishment, existing food establishment that is going to continue, but uh there's some changes. So, we want
to know judging from the past how things are changing. >> Gotcha. I mean, we're planning to utilize the same spaces that the previous operator utilized. >> So, the renovations, I guess, we're going to talk to the architect about the expansion and some of the changes in the
space inside. Correct. >> Yes. >> We'll ask you those questions. Okay. >> Yeah. I think the question is they they want to know what was the seating capacity before the purchase and the the prior use of the properties. You don't know the answer to that.
>> I I yeah I don't have access to to that information. >> Council is >> Well, we can certainly work on getting that for a future meeting. I think that's going to be uh outside of what we could discuss this evening. >> Okay. >> But I would redirect uh with one
question, Matt. Uh the current we are making renovations, interior renovations, but the space is remaining the same. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> So there's there's no additions to the existing building, right? >> Um no. >> So the footprint is going to be the
same. >> Correct. >> Building purpose. >> But >> is the only change then in capacity in terms of floor area is the outdoor seating. >> Would that be the addition? >> Yeah. >> Footprint of the structure is not >> Yeah.
Yes. So add adding the outdoor patio and then we're adding the elevator shaft. >> So there's two outdoor dining areas. >> Yes. >> Okay. Those are the new >> Yes. >> Okay. And the basement was Do you know if the basement was used for dining in a
bar by the prior owner? I I believe it was utilized for banquet space, but I'm I'm not I'm not 100% sure. >> Is there any intention to use premises for banquetss or wedding receptions or receptions after religious ceremonies,
anything like that? >> Uh yeah, definitely. I mean, within within our capacity, 100%. >> How is the basement paid out now? >> It's it's been completely gutted. >> So, there's uh center block I see.
>> Whatever it is. >> Yeah. Y >> Yeah. >> How tall was the building? >> I'm not 100% sure. Um Yeah. I'm not I'm not 100% sure. >> You You know what the ceiling height is in the basement? >> It's about 9 ft. >> 9 ft.
>> 9 ft. Yeah. >> And then it seems like this is this will have a much larger capacity than Mason jar and your other So it it'll have less less capacity in the mason jar but more capacity in the iron horse. Yeah.
>> And how many people work at a mason jar? >> Currently staffed about 56 between full-time and part-time employees. >> Here you >> during our busiest shift? Yeah. And so 56 total. During our busiest shift at the mason jar, um it's between 25 and 35
depending on when the patio is open. How many seats are there at the Mason? >> 373. >> Sorry, I didn't hear. >> You know how many parking spaces there are >> at the Mason jar? I think it's about 150.
>> You were uh making a gesture. Is that a guest of it? >> It's an it's an estimate. >> Yes, >> I can get the exact count. >> Yeah, >> please continue. [clears throat] >> So, just understand when when you have a private event to those quantities of
people, you said 136 and 60. >> Uhhuh. >> And then you still have restaurant operations ongoing with a certain number of another 100 people. Maybe 250 is a max more or less. Is it is that a number that's stated? I believe it's capacity
343. >> Here's three. Sorry. >> I believe it's 343. >> Okay. And that's not including Yeah, that's not staff. That's guests. >> Yeah, it's guests. Yeah. >> So, when you have a full event with
catered or a private event, banquet those capacity that you >> I can't hear you. If you have an event with the 136 and the 60 plus the existing restaurant operation y operational, what's the staff at that point?
>> It'll be the 30 that I mentioned. So the the the layout, the way it operates is I'm not we're not planning to do food service on the second floor. It'll mostly be I I think um you know it'll be pre and post event space. So, I I think people will
move throughout those levels. And then the outdoor patio, which is 56 seats. And then the deck, which is another 18 seats, that'll be seasonal use only. And the deck, again, we're not going to do dinner service out there. Um, and then the patio will have the 56 seats
available for people that want to eat dinner. But >> just like the other establishments, you're governed by what the certificate occupancies allow your patent, correct? >> 100%. Y >> that's fun
>> 100%. >> Mr. Vero question uh was raised. Do you know what the parking avail how many parking spaces are available at the Mason restaurant? Um >> 112 spots. >> How long have you been part of that? You
said two years. Mason jar. >> Yes. >> Is that a renovation or did you expand it or do any work on that project? >> We did a we did a patio. We've renovated the patio at the Mason jar, >> but not a project like this. It was kind
of a ready to go facility. >> Yeah. I mean, we we purchased it and the next day we were operating >> for a wedding reception. Just curious how we handle that, what your capacity is because I think your main dining area is
136 seats. Okay. So, uh, imagine the room for a dance floor, etc. What do you anticipate the size of a a wedding reception to be? >> 136. >> And is there room for you to have like a dance floor?
>> Yes. >> Even with the 136 seats? >> Yep. >> All right. So, is that the maximum wedding size that you could have there? 136 seats. >> Yeah. I don't think you have any wedding receptions at the majority.
>> Any other facilities that you have where you >> we we actually have, believe it or not. Yeah. Yes. At the at the Iron Horse, we had a uh a 40 person wedding on a Tuesday. >> Okay. >> Believe it or not. So >> yeah,
>> I learn something new every day. >> Comments, questions, professionals, any any questions for your planner, engineer of this witness? Of course. >> No. >> No. Okay. All right. Well, then uh we're going to open to Are you done, counselor?
>> Uh yeah, complete with this witness. want to open up to the public before we move on, that's fine. Fine with me, obviously. >> All right. Uh just before we open to the public, I just want to make an announcement because I I see a number of people here. Some of them are witnesses and some appear to be uh residents. Uh
we're going to open to the public. And what that means is that anyone can ask questions of this witness. Uh as many times as I say that, we have uh residents that come up and they want to make comments or they want to testify. uh you are entitled to make comments
about the application or testify uh about a certain factor uh concerning the uh proposed development or the surrounding areas. Uh if you do want to testify then you have to take an oath uh and then you can make factual statements
and if the testimony is under oath it can be considered by the board. Uh if it's not under oath it can't be considered by the board. Uh same with regard to letters or emails that may be sent. Um they are are not considered uh by the board because council has a right
to cross-examine anyone uh that states anything uh about the application. So any participation has to be made in in person. Uh so what we'll do is we'll open to the public and at this time it will be for questions of the of the
witness. Uh with regard to his direct testimony uh there will be many other witnesses on different subjects. Some of the questions may be deferred to someone who can better answer the question. Uh at a later time uh you'll be given the
opportunity to testify. If you want to testify you have to let us know. Um and that would be after all of the applicants, witnesses have have completed their testimony and then at the very end you can make comments about the application, your opinions, your
statements, how you feel about it. Uh and that that comes at the at the very end. All right. So we need a motion to open to the public for questions of the civilians. >> Motion to open to the >> public. Does anyone have a qu any questions that they want to ask this witness? Okay, Mr.
Kudo, I recognize you. Uh, just come up and state your name and address for the record. Spell it, please. >> Alex Kuto, CL, 18 Crestfield Court. First, I want to welcome you all.
Welcome to our neighborhood. Hopefully a successful place but not too noisy. Um I have a question about the that we close there is on the deck. When you mean you close it uh in winter is
actually closing or it's just not using >> it. It will just not be in use. >> So it's not no enclosure. Um and uh just to confirm no live entertainment. >> No live entertainment outdoors whatsoever. the the lights in the outdoor area. What
time you leave it on? What time do you plan on leaving it on or off? What's >> So, we we need to give our staff enough time to clean it up once once service is done. So, it it'll be probably be on a timer and it'll shut off probably about the time that we close the restaurant.
So, 10:00 Sunday through Thursday and then 11 o'clock Fridays and Saturdays. Another question is um are you serving food on the outside just to confirm you're serving food or not for serving food? >> On the main level patio we're going to
be serving food but on the on the second floor deck we won't be serving any food. >> Yeah. Yeah. You you'll see it from the street. What you guys call the basement when you come west is really street ground is the basement on the east side
ground. Okay. So the on the front as you drive through you'll serve food but not upstairs. >> Correct. >> Uh the refused collection you said from 8 a.m. to 10 10 a.m. >> Mhm.
So that's your aller stick to that hopefully. >> Yes. >> Another question is so let's say you have an event a big so you you could have 136 people on the main floor then you have still people at what you call
the basement floor and another 60. >> I don't anticipate anybody having their wedding wanting to have the party separated. We have another function, something else going on. >> Yes. >> Still have a restaurant serving food somewhere else in the deck or like I'm
just trying to guess. >> You're very successful. >> Yes. >> Busy. Yeah. How many people are they going to have? Um how how many people total if if it was if 343 is is the capacity we're looking
for? >> On a Sunday. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> For now those are the questions. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Hi, good evening 18 pressville court.
>> Spell your last name. >> B O R R L your first name. >> A N space Marie. >> Okay. Hi. >> Hi. How are you? >> Okay. Um so talking about the um the
refu the refues is that what you call So, you said it's in the rear. Where in the mirror? >> Um, >> can I bring up the engineering plan? >> Sure. To answer this question, >> it's
what's been submitted. It's not a new. >> So, are you familiar with the property? >> So, you know where the you know where that garage is? >> So, the garage is that on the uh northwest? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, it will be tucked in the
northwest section. >> Yep. >> So, how close would it be to the house that's adjacent to the parking lot? >> I I couldn't give you the the accurate answer for that >> because um the house that's adjacent to
the parking lot like their bedrooms are overlooking the parking lot. So, um unfortunately, they're not here because they're not feeling well otherwise they would be here. So, I'm sort of helping represent them. Okay. So um um so just
>> it might be a good qu a good question for the engineer when he goes over the site plan. He can give you the exact location of that. >> Yeah. >> So um >> council might be able to show you the plan here as well on the screen.
>> Um okay so you said okay I have he took one of my questions. >> [laughter] >> Did I answer it right? >> Okay. So, um Okay. So, parking that's that's not new. Is parking question for for
parking a question for him? >> He didn't testify that much about parking. So, um >> we will have a traffic engineer that will testify specifically to the parking demand and the number of parking spaces and how parks. >> Okay. So you did say that there were 343
maximum capacity that could occur. Correct. That could Yes. >> There could be a a wedding and there could be the the dining public dining. Correct. For a total of maximum 343 pass, right? Okay. All right. Um >> what the shaking just said? Yes.
>> Yes. >> Exactly. Um Okay. But the question for parking is not for you. So I'll have to table that for later. Uh let me see what else other question I have. Um, okay. So, he asked a question about the outdoor. So, there's no there's no
outdoor dining music on that that rear balcony thing, right? >> No. None whatsoever. >> Now, um, the lighting, well, there'll be lighting. Obviously, there's lighting on that deck, right? >> It'll it'll be all low voltage lighting and it'll be on a timer, so it'll it'll
shut off at an appropriate time. >> Sort of sound barrier because again that house directly overlooking the parking lot and if people are out on that deck laughing talking and then you have those lights um and they're in their bedroom let's say they go to bed at 9:00
>> um >> it's a possibility there could be a disturbance for them so is it possible to have some sort of sort of barrier there to protect >> I I I think the deck is far enough off the property line where I don't I don't
think talking volume will reach the property line. Um, and again from, you know, between Sundays and Thursdays, we're going to close it at 9:00 p.m. And then Fridays and Saturdays will be closing at 10 p.m. It won't be dinner service up there. It'll be, you know, somebody enjoying an after-dinner
cocktail would be the latest that they'd be up there. >> Well, I mean, I have a comment and I don't know um I have a comment. or know if it's allowed, but um we do have experience with vents in that property and we do hear we did hear people in the
parking lot. So, it is possible. >> Okay. >> Because we did hear so >> and buyers and things like that. So, okay. >> If you if you want to testify about that, you can do that at a later point and you have to let us know. Okay. And
it has to be under oath. Okay. And we can elaborate on that if you want to. Okay. >> Thank you. Anyone [clears throat] else from the public? >> I just had a question. I'm new to the area. Um, >> you have to state your name.
>> My name is Du Jones. >> D E P U. Last name J O S E. >> J O S E. >> Yeah. 32 Prospect Avenue. >> Thank you. >> Um, I'm not familiar with the process, so pardon me. Um just want to know it's
a lot of information right now. So can we get more time to process and ask the questions later? Um and what process may be? >> Uh >> I'm taking all the notes. Um I just want to pay our lawyers. Um >> well there's going to be a number of witnesses. Uh this is just one witness
to give you an idea. There are uh professionals uh including engineers that will go over all the details of the site plan. Uh but you if you have questions, you have to ask them of the witnesses after they testify. We open to the public. Um sometimes the witnesses
are brought back. We don't know how the application is going to go. There may be some unanswered questions. Some of the witnesses may come back and you could ask a question. Some of them may not. When they're they're done, they're done. >> So I do have a couple questions. >> You Yeah, you can ask this witness
questions about his direct testimony. >> Okay. Perfect. Thanks for all the information. That was helpful. But um do you guys have security on on site at all times during the restaurant hours or we're not planning on having any security on site?
>> Yeah, we we'll have we'll have security cameras, but as far as like a bouncer, it's not going to be that kind of establishment if that's what you meant by security. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You have a bar. So >> it's Is there a plan for that? Like, you
know, say something, let's go loose. Right. So, >> so, so we're going to be closing Fridays and Saturdays at 11 p.m. So, we'll stop serving alcohol at 10:30 p.m. Um, and then Sunday through Thursday, close the restaurant at 10:00 p.m. Stop serving alcohol. And then we'll stop serving
alcohol Sunday through Thursday. I'm sorry. We'll stop serving alcohol at 9:30 p.m. >> I'm assuming you have DJs during wedding events and stuff, right? >> You have what? >> DJs like
Yeah. For a wedding event, we'll we'll have a DJ if if that's what the guest wants, but we're we're primarily a full service restaurant. >> So, I mean, we we won't have weddings larger than 136 people. Um, and then we'll cater whatever kind of live
entertainment, whether it's a DJ or a band, what they want to have. And again, we're not going to plan any of those events outside of our normal operating hours. >> Um, this might be more for the engineer. I'm not sure, but um, in terms of noise cancellation or soundproofing, do you
have a plan? Um, you know, is it going to be soundproof? probably better for engineering but um yeah I I can't I can't properly answer that question at this time. >> So yeah that's a concern.
>> Completely understood. >> That's all I have for now. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is that it? >> Anyone else have questions of this witness? But I see one
>> hand a r i n s y >> just a quick one regarding cigaries whether or not they add to capacity and whether or not they're going to be open to clients just for coming into cigar part or just for guests. So, the cigar
lounge will just be a supplement to to the bar or the restaurant. So, if you want to come in and get a cocktail and bring your own cigar, you can enjoy it in the cigar lounge. Um, it doesn't add to the capacity. It's built into the capacity numbers that we spoke about.
>> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Okay. to Cresfield Court. I'm sorry through D R E W L O S A K um to Cresville Court across
the street from the better. Um my question is is if there's DJ music, not DJ music, if there's um recorded music or regal music, um is that going to be outside? Will we be able to hear that?
>> No, it won't be outdoors. >> Music outdoors. >> I will not be able to hear music outdoors. >> No. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Ask a general question of the board. The gentleman is making you state your name. I'm
>> sorry. Alex, 18field Court. Did you? >> Yes. >> This nice young gentleman is making a statement like no no music outdoors. Is that something part of the approval? Will that be written down or is just his
statement? >> Well, we haven't gone that far yet, but there >> should the application should be approved, the applicant would accept the condition that there will be no uh live entertainment and no music played in any of the outdoor areas. >> So, it would be a stipulation. Uh there could be other statement, but I want to
make sure that >> there could be other conditions that the board may impose as well, but they have to hear the application first. >> Hi, Gail G. >> How large is the bar? >> So, there's going to be three bars. Um,
basement level bar seats 17, the main level bar seats 19, and then the upstairs bar seats seven. So, there will be individuals coming in just to drink and smoke. It's going to be like a bar. You're you're selling it as a
restaurant, but there's going to be a bar. Like, people are going to be coming in. >> I It's marketed as a restaurant. It's going to that's we're going to be culinary focused. There happens to be bars in the restaurant that will serve alcohol. Three. Yes.
Anyone else? Okay. I don't see any other hands. Motion close. >> Motion to close to the public. >> Motion to close to the public. >> Second. All in >> favor? Thank you. >> All right. Don't get up yet.
>> Oh, [laughter] >> I u have a question for you relative to some of the questions that were just asked to you. Is food going to be served at the bars as well? In other words, could you sit at the bar and have have a meal as well as a cocktail?
>> Yeah, primarily on the basement and the dining room um on the second floor bar. We're not planning on serving food. And uh see I had another question. Oh there's a library I think on the second floor it's called there's a room called the library.
>> Yeah. >> What's how is that going to be used? >> Just lounge. >> Just a lounge. >> Yeah. So, just think like rich dark mahogany wood um built-in library, leathertufted lounge chairs where you can go and relax
and have a have a drink after you eat dinner or before or just come in and have a drink. >> No books. >> If you want to read a book, feel free. >> We can start a book club. >> Thank you. I'm going ask our next witness, our project architect, Arthur
Michaels. >> Yep. Michael was this thing that we are applying though this architect's brother Keith for almost every test I'm with Capstone Realy. Yep. >> What was that?
>> Capstone Realy. Do you think that would uh >> No. >> I have no idea. >> Well, if you feel as though you can still be fair and partial to the application, then I think you can you
can still see. >> Okay. It's mostly Keith that we use. >> Yeah, we Yeah. >> You know, >> sound like Keith. I'm I'm accused in disguise. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Mr. Princ, we swear him in. Should I qualify first? What's the procedure? >> We'll swear him in first. You stand up, please. >> Certainly. >> Raise your right here. Do you swear the swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth to help you got? >> I do. >> Okay. Can you state and spell your name
and give us your business address? >> Sure. Arthur Michaels M I C H E Ls business address is 645 Westwood Avenue uh with the architectural firm Michaelels and Waldron. >> And Arthur, would you briefly give the board the benefit of your experience in
the field of architecture so we may qualify? >> Sure. I'm a registered architect in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania I guess. I have been since 1986. and licenses current in New Jersey as well as all the other states.
Um I'm the principal of all Michael Dealdron. I hold a bachelor of science and a bachelor of architecture from Kent State University School of Architecture and Environmental Design. Um I'm also a licensed professional planner in New Jersey and L and the license is current
NCAB certified lead certified >> ARB certified lead certified uh member of the American Institute of Architects. I've previous testified before hundreds of boards over the last 30 years. Um, and I've done food service
establishments that you might have heard such as uh the Chart House as the architect on Manhattan Woods. Uh, a lot of banquet facilities and hotels. Uh, so I have a lot of experience in uh not only just general the field of architecture but specifically these food
service type operations. >> Mr. Chairman, I would move to qualify Mr. Michaels as a expert witness in the field of architecture. >> Any questions on the qualification of this witness by the board members? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Mr. Michaels, if you just
try to speak slowly. We do have a court reporter with us here today. >> Sure. Would you describe the existing facility as it sits now? >> Sure. And I'm going to try and answer some of the board's um questions about the previous use there. Um I I' I'd ask you to bear with me. I'm going to base
it on one my memory from my wedding there um 36 years ago and two uh looking at the plans and being through the facility and having a general idea of uh of how many people could fit in those kind of spaces and so
on. So the existing facility um has uh has essentially four levels. There's a basement level. uh that basement level before um had um a a smaller banquet room. Uh my recollection was it was for
about 100 people um at that time. I certainly can go and do calculations on what that area could have supported. Um if if the board requests that of um it also had bathroom facilities down there and then it had a kitchen. Uh there was
a main floor level um which had um which had um um a a kitchen uh the entrance area uh the main banquet room and a barroom. Um I um I know and I'll talk
when I talk about our plan you'll see that our seating area is actually the plan that we have now the proposed plan you'll see the seating area in that area is actually less than it was before. I know my wedding there 36 years ago was 125 people and we didn't use the full
room. My recollection is they were they were going for about 150 to 160 people which to me makes sense with the counts that we have now and I'll explain that in a little bit um in a little bit more detail um when um when we get there. Uh
the the second floor um above that um had a bride's room, had like a greenhouse space, um had the bathrooms. There were no bathrooms on the main level uh in the existing facility. And then there was a top floor that was an office. Uh there was storage and when I
walked through it um last year it looked like there was evidence of an apartment being there at some point with uh I don't know for staff or someone that had stay overnight or something like that, you know. Um that's just sort of what I observed. Uh now I'd like to speak a
little bit about what we're proposing. Uh what I'd like to do is go through the floor plans, then go through the exterior of the building. So uh what what you see up on the screen is the basement floor plan. Hold on one second. >> I'm just going to ask you to refer to uh
the marking on that. Mark, pre-marked. I think most of these certificates, but >> yes, this would be uh A1 basement plan revised July to 2025. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, this is the proposed basement plan.
The um the area that has the seating and the brown area with the bar was probably what the old the old um banquet area was. Uh and and actually we've expanded the bathrooms and we've taken a little bit out of that space. The gray area on
the right is the kitchen. Uh we're planning on renovating the kitchen area here. Um we're looking at having three little breakout rooms, you know, that are um that'll be for um for parties and and smaller functions. Okay. Uh the
three rooms combined uh total the 60 seats uh that that Matt had referenced before. Uh and then there's a bar area in the front uh that we refer to as a preunction area. You know, the original intention on that is that it would be a
pre-unction area for, you know, for whatever events are going on in these uh in these party rooms and so on. Uh and for people to go back and forth and mingle in between them. Very much like a tip that's very typical of um banquet
type facilities and uh meeting, you know, party rooms and so on. having that. Um there u there is a slight addition on this and and that's that little X right in the middle above the stair there right there. Uh that's an elevator. One of the features that we
did onto this building um that I'm going to be talking about is that this building was not handicapped accessible. Uh you could get into this lower level, but there are a couple different levels on it. uh there was no way for a person of of handicap to be able to get uh to
get into the main level or any of the upper levels unless someone assisted them or carrying them in. Uh so part of uh upgrading this building and enhancing it uh we've made it barrierfree and we're adding an elevator that connects all all levels um off of uh the back
lobby. Okay. Um, flip to the next page, which would be sheet A2 in the set that was previously submitted. >> We leave A1. >> Sure. >> It's a kitchen. >> That's the whole gray area is a kitchen.
>> Oh, the gray areas next to the walk-in refrigerator. >> Yeah, the walk-in refri. Yeah. So, it's it's a prep kitchen and then, you know, a kitchen for a small kitchen for some of the things that would be happening down here. The main kitchen is upstairs. And this would be more of a prep
kitchen. And then there's a back stair up in the upper right on the top which connects the two kitchens. So if someone had to go and get someone from the walk-in freezer or the coolers, uh they could they could connect them between the two kitchens. >> Is there cooking in the basement kitchen?
>> Yes, there will be some cooking in the basement cook. >> So are there three sets of stairs to the exit? There's there's go um there's the exiting for the basement. Okay. Um there's the double doors to the left.
Okay. Which go straight out to grade. Okay. Uh there's in the back in that sort of goldish area in the middle there's a Keep going to the right. Nope. Keep that one. That stair goes up to the foyer upstairs. Okay. That's where all
customers would be able to go and exit. they're and they're on opposite sides of the functioning space. Uh the the other stair that's off there is is in the kitchen. It would serve as a secondary exit from the kitchen. Uh and the other exit from the kitchen would be back
through the gold area and to either the other two stairs. Um, and it would also serve as a a service there connecting the two kitchens and the and the kitchen to the loading for taking trash out for uh bringing food in for circulating back
up and uh back up and forth for staff purposes. >> How many kitchens are there going to be? >> Two. >> Just two. >> Just two. >> Okay. >> Nothing on the second floor? >> No, there's really no food service intended
on the second floor. Okay, are we good to jump to the next plan? So the next plan uh I I think uh the engineer is going to talk a little bit about this more in detail but I just want to speak a little bit about the
organization for the record. Okay. >> You know, um the original facility had um right where we have that outdoor seating area now, uh had a main entrance and had a a drop off, you know. Um but
it had all the parking in the back of the building and there was really no decent entrance off of the back of the building, which was fine for a banquet facility where people would come in, they would get dropped off at some grand statewide drop off and so on. Um and
then uh then or you would be walking around. Um right up front we concluded that it made much much more sense to have the entrance for the building uh you know where the parking is you know
um and and it also it was a spot where I could put an elevator that I was able to connect all the levels which I would have had difficulty in the front. So, and and and there was also a stair in the back that we added, which I'll talk a little bit
more for fire safety, uh that I could add the stair back there to increase the fire safety of the building. So, once we had the entrance and so on in the back, uh we concluded that a nice patio in the front uh to complete that shape um
provide a nice image. Uh and ever since co, you know, people very much like to have some outdoor dining, some outdoor space. We thought that it'd be a nice image. Um it would be an uncongested space uh and it would have a very u good
appearance to it. The old facility um didn't you know in consisted of let me use the maps for a second. I think it's going to be a little easier. uh consisted of
this space here going like this down around back in here and over and up like that. And then it had a bar about the same size right back in
this corner. Um so part of the upgrade in this building is a restaurant. We expanded the kitchen um because it's going to have a larger variety menu than a a strict banquet facility is going to be. Um and although we expanded
bathrooms downstairs and we expanded bathrooms up on the second floor, uh we thought that it was appropriate to add some bathrooms uh on this floor, you know, so we added that in the middle. Uh and then we had a little waiting area.
So, in fact, that the seating area that's left over here is is probably um 80% of what the seating area was when it operated as a banquet facility. Um uh
like I said, my wedding was 125 people. Uh I my recollection is that I could have easily booked for up to 150. Uh we're seating 136 in that area right now. Um, and I I would think that if I
went through and did the calculations on that space, um, for the egress requirements on the code for banquet facilities, um, I could could have eas I could easily exceed the 150 to 160 uh, people in that area and I'd happy to do
that for you. So that's just my sense of what that space was based on my experience before my experience on other facilities and and knowing on how this laid out and that it's a little smaller. Um >> so are you saying you could fit 150 to
160 seats in the area as it's going to be developed? >> No, I saying we the areas it's developed I'm we're we're seating 136 I believe. I'm saying that before when it operated as a Woodcliff Manor as a banquet facility, it seated in excess of 150
people easily and the bar was a similar size and that was in addition to that. >> The uh the race porch, the dining area. >> Yes. >> Was that was that there in the old days? >> No. No. >> So that's new.
>> That's entirely new. That was a uh some steps and it was a pork to share. >> I guess you'll get into the size of that your testimony. >> Sure. Um >> question you made mention earlier about base approximate capacity
based on your understanding of numbers for what's been done there. I I I'm I base my my capacity of what was there when it was operating as the Woodcliffe Manor on two things. On my memory from 35 years ago and what they marketed to
me uh and and knowing the size of the space and uh and doing other facilities, you know what I what I what I believe it could fit without doing the calculations. I certainly can go do the calculations and lay it out. You say the
basement's >> um the the basement the basement area is actually um Can you jump back one sheet? >> Uh the basement area is actually um it's
it's similar in area. What's what's different, okay, is that uh the the bathrooms are more spacious and larger now than they were back then. Okay. Um and two, um we've divided it up
instead of being one big space, we've divided it up into a pre-function area, which has got the bar in it, uh and then the um and then the rooms. Uh is that to say that the bar couldn't be filled and all the rooms couldn't be filled? I guess that's possible, but I don't think
that that's likely. I think this would be likely to be operational is that you and Matt can talk about it is you would have people in the party rooms uh and then they would use the the bar area for servicing or use the war area before they move into the party rooms.
>> Did you inspect the site recently? Have you been? Um, I went into the site before the interior demolition was done and I've been in the site um, uh, probably about 6 months ago when it um, when there was some uh, some gutting done so I could inspect some of the
>> structure to demo. Was the basement an open space like the banquet hall stairs was? Mr. extrapolate the numbers while there would be the same downstairs roughly. >> I don't know if you want to mark this.
>> I have a asbuilt plan that we did in the basement before we started construction. >> So if you would like me to mark this, I'd be happy to pass it around. >> I don't know how you want to do that or not. If you're going to refer to it or make it testify about it for the record,
then we need to mark it. >> I have your list. Would it be A10 or >> Yeah. >> Or I can talk about it just in general terms up here while I'm looking at it if that's >> I don't know which I don't know what you have. >> Yeah. Do do you have any problem giving
this uh No. Okay. Great. Let's mark it. Uh A10 >> and basement plan. Former basement plan. Okay, >> I just want to note for the record that the chairman Belain is here. >> Hey,
>> sorry to interrupt. >> Welcome, Mr. Chair. We're going to speak to this uh exhibit briefly and then we'll pass it around and we'll leave it to the board secretary for for her records. So, um this this plan that I'm holding
up is is the former basement plan. Um you can see there was a little bathrooms and a door over there that exists there. We expanded the bathrooms out that way a little bit more. Uh the kitchen uh the
kitchen line is is back here. Uh and that's basically back at, you know, um is back at at like this line right there. You can see where that te's in.
And that before was one big open space. The dash lines. Dash lines. The gray dash. >> They they um puffers in the ceilings. Just a little ceiling treatment. >> I'm sorry. What was it? >> Poppers in the ceiling. Little ceiling
treatments. >> Can I just go back to the question you asked earlier? Can I go back to a question? >> I go back to a question you asked previous on the the second floor where they're going through this the area where the original stairs and the out
and their original core choice. >> Yes. >> Um basically that's where the new addition are going to be or they're going to be coming out a little bit further from like basically to length of the stairs. Can can you on the second floor you're talking about you jump to the second floor?
>> He asked a question. Was that area there? >> So So the the original stairs were in the middle here and came out about probably that far and then there was a circular drive >> that swooped through here
>> with like a terrace or a glass. >> There was like a there was like a um I I have pictures that I'm going to be showing you later. It was like a greenhouse that was up up up above it which we're removing that greenhouse and enclosing it. Now
>> I know I mentioned this before your design is based on the guidelines of the CO certificate of occupancy >> guidelines of the certificate of occupancy that are allowed on this premises. Is that does your drawing represent that? Well,
this drawing, the drawing I represent is the proposed addition that we're doing. Uh, and certainly after we go and do construction drawings, uh, this would all meet the current code requirements by New Jersey Uniform Construction Code and would be able to be seeded by your
construction official once it is built according to the plans and specifications that we prepare. Does that answer the question? So um so >> um to continue on here. So what we what
we've done sort of um um in the on the front of the building, we added that patio that we um uh that we've just been speaking of. Uh, and that patio there, um, will seat up to 56
people or 56 seats. Um, we've added in the back an addition. Oops, I jumped plans here. Uh, that addition had several elements to it. It included uh a new elevator that connects all levels
that I just talked about. Uh, and that's to bring the the building up to the current barrier-free code requirements. Okay. We've added a fire stair um to the left of it in the back. Currently, the upper floors are served
by a single stair uh that's not in a fire rated enclosure. Uh so we've added a stair in that's in a two-hour fire rated enclosure uh that will discharge directly outside, you know. So someone from any of from the main floor, second
floor, third floor will be able to go into that enclosure in a safe fire rate enclosure, go down the stairs and exit straight out the building. Okay. Uh that's a code upgrade to the building. Okay. Um that's [clears throat] part of the addition. We did a little vestibule
so that when you're waiting to go into the elevator, um you're um you're covered from the rain and protected from the elements. We added a stair uh to get up to the main level, a half stair up to the main level. Um in case you don't
want to use the elevator to go up four feet. Uh we've added a little stair here to go down to the basement level. Um so if you parked in there and you wanted to enter off of the main entrance or off the elevator lobby versus along around the side, uh you had the opportunity
opportunity to do that. Uh we've added a valet room. Uh, and that's a room a little there, a little room there with a window and a pass through to the lobby area to the vestibule area um for for um for patrons to uh pick up their give
their little ticket and uh have the valet go and get their car while they're waiting for it. Uh and then be beside be behind that we added a convenience stair uh connecting the first and second floor kitchens which serves as a um secondary
exit for the kitchens uh as well as a service exit or service access for kitchen and staff personnel uh that will open up directly into a loading area that you will see on the on the on the plan. Um then there's a little reception
and waiting area there. Uh there's a there's a small bar there um if if you want to sit and eat at the bar or wait for your uh table there. Uh the bar seating is I just want to make sure I have the uh 19 seats. Okay. And then the
the main dining room is the 136 seats that we talked about. Uh in addition, there's another little convenience stair in the back that connects you down to the first floor. Uh once again that uh that gets you exiting that's um on
opposite sides of the building. So we have we solve code problems for remoteness. Okay. Uh and also it's a convenience for connecting it. There are additional bathrooms down on that second floor. Um the next plan let's see is
um is the >> before you leave this plant. >> Sure. You know, Matthew's testimony was that there could be a uh a wedding on on this floor. >> Yes. >> And he saidund, you know, 36 people. Um,
and the question I had was, you know, where would you put a dance floor if you had 136 guests at a wedding? >> I think what happens in weddings, okay, you don't have four tops and six tops, okay, on on the tables. So what happens
is a lot of those tables would probably get clustered together to seat you know eight or 10 or so on. When you cluster the seats together and tables together so you have more people at the table uh then you need less circulation room around them. That circulation room could
be utilized to make a dance floor. >> So any plan on where you would put it? >> Uh I I think it would be up to operational. I mean I think they they certainly could put it on this wall here. They could they could put it. It's a big open space. They they they can put
it almost anywhere they want. >> You think they would bring different tables in for a wedding tables for 10? >> You have to ask them. I don't know what they're at this point know what they're buying. I don't know if they would just stack them or if in fact the the four top tables that they have had leaves
that flowed up, you know, to make it a round table so it could seat more. I I think that that's something that'll be um if if we're fortunate enough to get approval, that's something that we'll uh develop in an interior design process as
we select furniture. >> Good. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Okay. Yep. Um Okay. Uh Whoops. Okay. This is that um the second floor that we talked about. You can see there's um this green area in the front is where
that old uh greenhouse used to be. Um you know, we're enclosing that with um walls uh sliding windows that open and close you know and that's um you know it's one of
the cigar rooms. Uh then there's the green in the back, you know, which is uh which again is a sort of small patio space. It will have a a terrace space, I guess, has it will have a little terrace above it. Uh there's limited seating out
there. Uh the area, the whole idea of this floor, it's just sort of a lounge area. Uh you know, not food, you know, just sort of uh uh cigar lounge, social lounge. Uh it's not really intense
seating up there, you know. So there's some bar seating, there's some high tops, you know, and and it's just sort of spread out like that. >> So you're referring to A3. >> A3, I'm sorry. >> That's Hey, the um the indoor outdoor
cigar lounge. Yes. Is that covered? Is there Yes, >> that's covered. >> It's got a roof on it and it's just you you essentially have sliding windows or windows that are open. the rest of the windows. The rest of the facility, you generally don't like to open the windows in the facilities like this. You want to control the temperature with air
conditioning and heating. This one, because it's in a cigar land, we thought that it would be nice to have some fresh air being moving in there. And the outdoor rooftop seating. >> Yes. >> Is that covered or is that >> the the only cover on it you'll see on the uh rendering that I'm going to show
you is an open trellis. Uh and it's just sort of uh uh to give it some ambiance. Some of the tricks that we use to make the building look nice. Okay. And then uh and once again uh
there's the fire stair that we've added. um and a elevator that we've added. Uh and then we've updated the bathrooms to be uh compliant to the current codes and uh current sizes. Uh and then on the
third floor, it's really just the stair and the elevator go up there. Uh and it's it's really um quite frankly, it's leftover space from what was in the building. they'll just use it for clerical offices and so on.
Uh for the staff, um a a couple things I just like to point out about the, you know, about the the building. You know, I' I've talked about the barrierfree upgrades. I've talked about life safety with the fire rated stairs. Um also part
of this um we've decided to fully sprinkler the building. the building is not sprinklered at this time, you know. So, we're going to be fully sprinklered the building uh for fire safety. Um and then uh and then redoing all the uh the kitchen and all the mechanical equipment
uh and with all redoing all the mechanical equipment uh and all the lighting. It will be all energy efficient equipment, LED lighting. So, it's going to be very eco eco-friendly, very green, you know, because it's uh it's going to be less energy intensive
uh than what that what the old building is uh at at any time. Um to talk about the exteriors, I'd like to just go to the renderings a little bit. Um so, I prepared >> the third floor plan you just testified about. That was 84, correct?
>> That that Yes. >> All right. Now I'm going to go to um an exhibit which I think I marked as ex EX1. Um if the board would like copies I I brought a web by 17 copies I'd be happy
to pass out if you want it or if you want to just look at it on the screen. >> Uh we did we have this in >> No. Oh okay. >> So if you have the copies I would >> we do. >> Does that need to be answered if there was another exhibit? Did you mark exhibits? I'm sorry I missed that. like
we did. We started with uh the applicants exhibit list provided by Mr. Princiato. It ended at A9. We marked A10 which was the former basement plan. So this will be A1 New Drive is name. >> We don't have it yet. So we don't know.
>> I didn't hear you chairman. >> We don't have it yet. So I'm not sure what it's labeled as. There's there's going to be three exhibits. One's going to be EX1, EX2, and EX3. And I I have a number of
>> So, they're all going to be part of A11. >> If you would like to mark them together, I'm fine with that. Okay. So, A1 is EX1, two, and three, right? I do not explore. If we want to wait that one,
>> we have a question. There already is an existing rooftop deck there, right? There there's >> in in here >> there's no way this in the back there's no roof pouch back. Okay. In the front
there is that little old greenhouse >> that um I actually um for convenience because I'm sort of proud of how nice we made it look. [laughter] I dropped in a picture that I took of of
the existing facility, you know. So, uh, I think what you're referring to is there's a little greenhouse that's right there. And this is right up there is that enclosed area that I talked about before, which was that indoor outdoor um
um cigar lounge, you know, where I said that those windows could be operable. >> The bottom picture all the way on the right hand corner on the top floor that >> Yeah. I don't know what that that's >> it might be. That's it. It was a little scary. I I don't recall being on it. So,
it's You'll see it in the back. It's I I sort of ignored that. I'm trying to blanket out of my mind. >> Mike, we got some ext to the audience. >> Sure. >> I I I think I brought enough that I thought that could be done.
>> There's a couple extras. We can pass them out to the audience. >> Okay. So, um when you know this view is from the um uh souththeast corner
um uh what used to be the entrance drive uh over there along the side of the building uh where you would be coming up along the port kosher. Okay. And you can see in this in the uh we the patio that we've added. Uh we've we've picked up
some stone that we've selected that's going around the building. Uh to give it a nice solid base. Uh had a nice railing around it. Uh had had some uh what looks like wood treatment on it, but is actually fiber cement treatment that
looks like wood. It's very uh very goodlooking. Um, and it's very, um, eco-friendly and it's very durable and long-term maintenance. Uh, you'll see the shingled roofs that we have there. Uh, instead of just doing regular asphalt shingles, we're doing those
vinyl slate shingles, the really heavy slate shingles. They from from more than 5t away. >> If you could just I'm sorry, guys, if you could just keep quiet because she's trying to, >> you know, uh, they it looks like it looks like a slate roof. Um we've
reccladed much of the building with um with fiber cement panels either vertical or horizontal. Uh you might know the term from a trade name Hardy panels you know uh those are those are going around. There are some certain key elements around that we have aluminum um
copper clad or metal panels around them on columns and so on with a copper like material. Uh we do have some of the stucco around the end uh and and uh and you can sort of see the relationship of what the building is to what it was
before. We tried to respect uh the former design and architecture and statess of the building um and sort of supplement it with the materials that we see and expect today in high-end products, you know, and uh and added
some um uh little flash and and details, you know, like like the you know, the entrance over the canopy here and so on. We added some uh some night nice details around. Uh when you get in when you look at the site plan uh and the landscape
you plan, you'll see that there's a uh like a little fire pit out here and a little pathway and and some nice landscaping. Uh and we've tried to incorporate all that in. So, the basic roof lines and shapes um really uh mimic
what they were before with enhanced materials, cleaning them up, you know, and uh and tried to be respectful of what was there before. Can you go to this second? I think it's a second file. Uh the next one is a a view from the
main entrance drive coming in which is on the uh once again off of Prospect uh just sort of on the west side. Uh you can see the entrance drive going in. Uh you can sort of see uh some of the landscaping that is going to be talked
about a little later. Uh, and once again, we've, uh, you know, used those same materials, uh, cleaned things up and sort of added some, uh, nicer details at various spots, changed all the windows with new windows, and
really, uh, upgraded it dramatically. Um, then the the last one is a view of the back that it sort of is the parking lot side. Um, >> that was EX2. That was EX2.
>> This is EX3. Um, the rendering I'm showing you here is what I thought was the worst view. Um, because it shows the loading dock area and I and and the service area. So, I wanted to make sure that uh we we showed that clearly. You
can see that we screen that all very well. Uh, so that you really don't see that area very well. Um, to the right side is the main entrance. Uh the little door to the left of it is to the valet. The door to the right of it, right to the right of it would be the fire stair.
Uh you can see that little outdoor patio that we've been talking about um off the second floor. Uh that it's just a little patio up on the roof. It's sort of set back from the edge. Uh we used the the parapits of the building and the
shingled roof as the guards for that. Uh, and then we put a little trellis up on top of it to give it a little scale and to um give it a little interest in the back and and use it to bring the scale of the building down because it it brings it down to a more uh human scale
to it. Uh the two elements that we've added that are somewhat taller is the um the square right in the middle. That's the elevator. Uh, and then that shape next to it is that new stair that goes to the third floor. So, what happens
with elevators is you if once we went to the third floor of the elevator, uh, I'm required by building code to have an overrun above the top floor of like 13 half and 14 feet and then I have to go and then I put a little um roof on top
of it. Uh so that triggered the that triggered really this is what triggered our D2 variants for the height >> you know or D6 sorry about that I don't have my planner hat on tonight
>> building changed >> the only building the two areas of the building is the this elevator extension >> elevator and the stair >> okay and the stair the stair to the to the right of it right there those two
elements ments um are where it changed. The stair is a little bit lower. The elevator is a little higher. I brought the stair up because I wanted to um sort of transition the vertical element down to the lower roofs.
>> So, the two areas where the height of the building changed are the the square where the elevator shaft is >> and the footprint for the stair. >> Okay. And that peak to the right of that is that existing. >> This
this here is all existing. >> That's all existing. This is new, >> right? >> Okay. And this is new. Uh >> new new and higher than what was there. >> And newer than was higher that was
there. Right. And that's what's going up to the 40. Uh let me just pull up the number so I make sure I'm >> here will speak to the height. >> Okay. Uh to to the height on the engineering >> and that speak for the stairs only where the stairs that doesn't carry to the
front. >> No no it it it it comes up to can we go back to um >> go back to the original set. >> Original set. >> The original set. Okay.
And if you go to the last page in the original set, okay? Um, go back one and the one in the upper right, the aerial view at the rear on the upper right, you can see right there the
extent of it. It's it's that little piece there. Yeah. >> And it does not go all the way to >> it doesn't all go away front. No. >> Can you explain again the the requirement for the elevator 13 ft?
>> So So what happens is when when you have an elevator Okay. um there's code requirements because they have mechanics that might be working on top of the elevator and they're afraid that when an elevator is running, okay, um and and it it sort of
depends on the elevator, the speed of the elevator and so on. If the elevator started and there was a mechanic on top of the cab, you know, and it for some mechanical failure, it stopped and goes up, you know, you could get crushed when
you hit the the ceiling up above, you know. So, the elevators always have what they have is called an overrun on top of it. Okay, that overrun typically is 13 136, sometimes 14. It varies of it. And you also have a a a beam going across
the top of it, you know, uh that's right over the middle. So that that requires the elevators to get pushed. Elevator towers always go up a little higher than the rest of the building because because of the code requirements to have those elevator overruns. So it's 13 when it
stops at the third floor. The roof of the elevator can let's call it that box. from there off is another 13 feet >> to to the underside to the underside of any kind of obstruction within the shaft. >> Just visually from this picture, it doesn't look like 13 feet from the
>> it's there's it's 9 ft within the or eight and a half nine feet in the ceiling and then there's 5T in there. You know, we we ran the numbers. Maybe it's 126. I forget which elevator we picked, but there's a specific number in there. Uh we worked this out so it would work. >> The peak of the roof.
>> It's not the top of the peak of the roof. It's to it's to the obstruction in the shaft. >> NJO speak to the overall heights. He's just explaining architecturally why he had a design. >> It had to be higher. >> Could you go back to to A6 the loading area? Uh
that is uh >> on the floor plan or the uh rendering >> the the rear view with the view >> the rear view that's the A3 >> A6 view four image four yeah >> the six I'm sorry >> image four got a four on it
probably a little bit lower there you go that shows the loading area >> that shows the loading Right. Okay. Is that an overhead door there? >> That that's that's is that's a door. Um yeah, that's I I don't think we're going to be using it at but right I designed a
door that could be opened in case something big had to go in. It's a panel >> overhead door like a garage door. >> No, it's probably going to be an it's probably going to be a a paddle and it'll be able to swing. >> So truck would would back up to that door. >> It it could back up to that door and you
could open it so you could load something in if you wanted to. More than likely they're just because it's going to be smaller trucks, they're just going to come in there and they'll go in that stair that I talked to you about and just walk up the half flight. >> Deliveries would take place. >> That's where the deliveries would take place.
>> And that that area is accessible and that stair is accessible to both kitchen levels. the I'll call it the shading or the panel that's put up next to that is that designed to kind of shelter a vehicle while it's in place loading. Is that the
concept there? >> Yeah. >> How far out does that come that come like it's like like a van size? Is that what it is? >> What? How far that comes out? >> Yeah. >> In the wall. Yeah. It it's probably I let me just look at the plan >> roughly like the intent there is to >> Yeah.
screen a potential load. So that you're not you're not seeing the truck. >> You're not seeing what's going on in it. The truck is going to stick out if a a truck goes in there, but you're not going to really see the operation in there, and you're not going to go and see if if garbage is coming out or
something like that. You're you're that's going to be obstructed back there. Let's see. Uh let's see what else do I Um I think uh one other thing I just sort of want to touch on uh real briefly
um and uh and maybe you can go back to that uh A2 exhibit or a A1 exhibit the X E ex >> okay um so [snorts]
um there there A couple things. A >> or A1? >> Which? >> A1. EX1. >> EX1. >> Oh, A1 ex. >> Um, in your uh in the engineers, um in the engineers report, uh he
questioned me on mechanical systems. Okay. And so, uh, there's there's a a just a couple things that I want to talk about on that is that, you know, there, um, there used to be, um, a couple
exhaust fans over here. I think ultimately, and you can sort of see one here, it's on the elevation. The other side, you see another one. We're going to try and put it on the roof where it's a little bit screened. any other kind of lower equipment. I got a roof area in
here that's available that this roof would screen some of that mechanical equipment. Uh and then the other mechanical equipment, if you could go back to the basement floor plan, you know, in in the basement there um
there used to be um an outdoor patio right over here. Um, and we're really planning on using that outdoor patio for uh mechanical equipment on the ground. Uh, so we don't have to put it on top of the roof where it's really visible. It's
sunken in a well. And when you go and look at the landscape plans, uh, that all that area is all very well landscaped, you know, and we think that it would be that hides the mechanical equipment better back there. Uh, and then we think it's also acoustically a
little better down in that well, you know, surre surrounded by shrubbery and so on versus up on top of a roof where it it um would would transmit the noise a little bit more. >> Are we talking about air conditioning units? >> Yeah, like Yeah, but you know, I think
it's it's probably for the most part going to be condensers. There might be an air handler in there, but >> is there going to be a generator? >> Uh, no generator. >> A generator? I I I quite frankly I have not discussed that with my client. I don't um
we're open to it. >> Well, I I don't think we've made the decision yet. I think we'll evaluate that during the construction document phase. >> Mr. Chairman, I think if they want to generate should [clears throat] I I uh
we're certainly not finishing tonight. Um, so we will we'll discuss that and we'll come back with another uh another plan showing a generator if we do decide to incorporate one in the plan. >> But you have a generator at the two other restaurants. >> No,
I I do. In some larger banquet facilities that are hotels, we have them where people are staying overnight and so on. Uh but but in general restaurant facilities, um we generally do not put the generators in. that that would be uh
unique. >> But typically with an elevator, they would include a generator, but >> uh you you don't need >> it's it's not needed. You don't need it till it's five stories tall. >> Gotcha. >> You know, um for for an elevator backup generator or or higher in some cases,
>> you know. Um so just just sort of just a a brief recap on on some of the things that I think that we've done here. Um, you know, we've we've done an adaptive reuse of an existing building, which I think is a very good thing. There's a lot of environmental benefits for that.
Uh, we've we've upgraded the made it barrier free, uh, which which is a huge improvement for this building. Uh, we've done life safety upgrades that include, uh, the fire rated stair enclosures and the sprinklers, which make it a much safer building with with a very modest
addition, a very small addition to the building. Um, we're increasing the energy efficiency in the building with all new equipment uh and all new lighting, you know, versus the the type of equipment that was seen here in years past. Um, we've made uh d I think we've
made very good dramatic uh aesthetic improvements to the building. Uh, and we've used some of these patio spaces uh to use to uh to transition some of the shapes of the building uh and relate to the other features of the building. Um, and I I think that covers the
architectural part. >> Mr. Chairman, I have no further affirmative questions at this witness. I turn them over to the board and members of the public. >> Uh, you know, start professionals or >> I have two issues that are going to
relate to further testimony for other agencies. The first um this is in the R15 zone. So, this is an expansion of a non-conforming use uh and structure.
Um, relating to the architecture that you just testified to, I think you need to relate it back to what the architecture is in a typical R15. So, does it look like a house? Does it act like a house? other features on though it's a larger
building that is it how does it relate to the master plan and the architecture of that is in the surrounding area in the residential that's question >> um I I guess two things that I would
respond to that one you know um it's an existing building that's been there a long time it's been a feature it's it's part of the community part of the space it's a a recognizable um a recognizable feature that we've we've been respectful of. Um second, um
the shapes, the materials uh and the things that we've done are very typical of a residential development. There's the slope roofs. There's uh Yes. Did I did I upgrade it to what making look like a slate roof instead of a shingle roof? Uh I I think
that that's fine. you know, uh, the hardy panels on the walls, that's very typical. You see that going in all new buildings. The type of windows, you don't see big storefront windows in here. The glazings are all much like that. The doors are very much like that,
you know. Um, the shutters on on the side of the buildings, you know, I think all the features and elements um are that we put in here are what you would expect to see in a high-end residential neighborhood. uh and we've incorporated them and we tried to incorporate and
integrate them into the building. Uh being respectful of um of what the building is, what it was, what the history of it is and and how it's fit into the neighborhood over the years. Um, and I would say that the addition and the expansion that we put on uh that
that the addition and the expansion is is been really strictly for uh life safety improvements for uh barrierfree improvements. Uh we've limited it to the backside, not on the front. Uh we've tried to incorporate those into the
design of the building. Uh we did, you know, when I first took a shot at the building, I looked at integrating those into the center of the building, you know, but to get those two elements in particular, the elevator and stair to be able to hit all the levels and deal with
the existing structural limitations that we had in the building, uh I came to the conclusion, uh after looking at it myself and consulting our structural engineers that it was in feasible and the best place to deal with it and to to facilitate those improvements. ments
that we really felt and the ownership felt very strongly about was to add it onto the building and that on that back portion of it where it would relate to the parking and those vertical circulation relate to the parking area made the most sense and it it didn't
obstruct and disrupt the exterior image from the street fronts which go to your point of the character of the R15 zone. >> My next is really the recommendation. Okay. >> Is it relates to uh when you're dealing
with a expansion of a nonconformance structure use the MLU which I know especially section 68 >> um places the burden of proof on on the applicant. um you've testified a lot to previous
use which I appreciate having your way there so you have firsthand knowledge >> but I think relating to the proofs that you should be providing especially as the architect laying the groundwork for your planner
um you really need to get into the details of estimating what that use was prior to seating capacity what room used for because you're proposing a use that is more intense
in seating capacity. That is something that the board has to weigh into and the key word is substantial in order to consider whether they should grant this variance and whether it benefits the general welfare.
So those numbers I I I would recommend that the board requests that uh that they provide those numbers uh for the next year >> unless you know them now. >> I what u what what I >> think he's asking the question is what
was the previous capacity capacity? >> I um I don't know the exact number. uh I testified to what my recollection was and in general terms uh what what I felt it was. I certainly um I can uh I don't
know that unless we somehow get with the old owners >> heard I I >> based on what he extrapolated that there's probably less but I think you need hard numbers. I I I think what we're going to conclude, okay, is that
there's going to be less seating inside the building, okay, that the seating that we have outside the building was probably wasn't there before unless it was done outside on some of the
>> patios and lawn areas that were out there, which I they weren't doing that at the time that that I were I went there and I missed but I'm pretty sure they did that after that. >> I missed some of the earlier testimony. What was that rough estimate that you
had given? >> What what I what I said before is that on the main floor uh that my wedding was 125 and we didn't use the full space that I believe that that space could
generate probably in the 150 160 area. Okay. and the downstairs um I thought that that space when it was just a big open space set up as a banquet it would probably be in the um 75 to 100 area and
that's that's my recollection from years ago and looking at the space just a thumbnail that I think that's what I'm going to conclude it as if I go through >> I know I know the basement can carry 60 because I had my daughter's communion >> okay and was it full >> no it was not full
>> so so I think the um my my assessments, you know, the building codes goes and says that we can uh fit one person per 15 square feet. So, you know, for tables and chairs. So, I can certainly can go and take an you
know, and that presumably would be what it would be for. Uh that would be certainly a good basis. I could go and take that big open area, divide it by 15. I could provide that number for you. I think a calculation showing what you're what was and what you're proposing
>> gives the board the information to handle that part portion of the proof schedule. >> Yes, but that that's where I I think it is. Um and I probably shouldn't be talking just off the top of my head, but uh I I qualified it accordingly. >> Perhaps we can get some of this
information uh from uh construction departments, building department. Okay. as to >> prevention >> and with the fire department as well terms of >> oh occupancy load. >> Yeah. Yeah. What what it was prior co
>> Okay. >> Anthony the only question I have is can you talk about any any plans for ventilation of the cigar lounge pur air purification system? What do you have? We hadn't really designed that yet. You I mean
there'd be some kind of filtered system that we would put in there uh and we vent it out. My guess is what's going to happen in there since we have the third floor above it which is just office and storage space that I would probably um you know not take up floor area down
there with it or place something on the outside that we put some kind of freestanding unit up there with filtration and have a louver going out from the attic or something. That's that's that's in my mind how we've done what we have not designed that yet. But I I do have that whole third floor space
that's available for me for mechanical uses as needed >> to be able to to be able to [clears throat] mitigate odors and such. >> And I would imagine that the equipment would have some sort of noise or code rest. In other words, any fan or ventilation would be restricted by some
sort of a code. There's no there's there's there's state there's state noise codes about what kind of decibel levels you can have at the property line. I don't expect we would we're we're so far from the property line with the buildings and where the mechanical equipment is. I
can't imagine any of the equipment we'd specify would be even close to it >> would be less than the exhaust fans for the kitchens. >> Yes, absolutely. And then I guess that outdoor lounge you envision smoking there over your main entrance. Is that
>> uh that would be up to ownership. >> To the owner. It just seems like an odd place, right? Going and get food. I don't know. Just something to think about. >> Somebody needs to go to Jamie's. >> I said someone needs to visit Jamie's.
It's a restaurant in Clifton. >> Um, anybody on the board have any questions for the architects? >> I do. >> Mr. Pin on day five.
Beautiful brick on the front side of the building and you just let the u those three windows on the left hand side the same substance. >> We we have we we have the stone base on
it. Um you know what? Uh we didn't particularly want to overwhelm it. I mean, I'll have a chat with the owner about it. Um, >> and is that is that the Stuckco part that >> Yes. >> We spoke you spoke of?
>> Yeah, we've had some discussions about maybe putting Hardy there as well. So, it it's it's it's going to be one of the two. everything. >> Yeah, >> Sam.
>> No question. >> Uh motion to open the public for this witness. >> Take a 10 minute break. I guess now it's two hours. >> Oh, I'm sorry. It's only been an hour. Let's take it take five minutes and then we'll allow the uh public to
have questions You're good, Kim. >> Okay, I think we're back on. >> We're ready, Mr. Chair. Just want to ask everybody to start thinking about their calendars if we can't make it through today, which I don't foresee happening. Uh of maybe a
potential special meeting. We're we've got kind of a busy calendar coming up before the end of the year. We've got a bunch of holidays. So, you know, we haven't really made a decision yet, but we're just talking about it. So, kind of kick around your calendars to see if there's a time frame that may work. We'd have to notice for it,
>> of course. Um, and we already have, you know, an application coming up that's going to carry into a special meeting as well. So, >> yeah, >> probably tomorrow maybe Clarice will chat with your office and try to see if there's a a date that we could coordinate. >> That's fine, Mr. Chairman. We also uh I did poll my experts and December 16th,
everyone uh is available. I don't know if that meeting is available on your end. >> I'm not sure what's on that calendar. >> I understand. And if we push to a special, that's absolutely fine as far as the applicant is concerned. Good. Uh, where were we? Opening to the
public for the witness. >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Anyone from the public have any questions for the witness? This would be just a cross-examining, right? Not a comment time. We'll get time to comment at first name Brent,
last name Risendorf. P R I S E N D O RF9 cross court. Um, based on your testimony, there's no current outdoor seating on the second floor. Is that correct? For the current structure, >> right? And not not that I'm I'm aware of. >> Um, there's no food on the second floor
for your um proposed structure. >> That's what the owner testified to. >> Okay. And then uh you testified that the cigar lounge area uh that would be open windows for fresh air. >> Yeah. That we're planning on having those windows to be able to open. And
that's the the lounge that's on the uh street the Prospect Avenue side. >> That's the >> on the Prospect Avenue side of the building. >> And Mr. Chairman, you said I can't make a comment to the board. >> Thomas would be at the end. >> Okay. >> It's a time to cross-examine. >> Okay. That'll be
>> Thanks Hville Court. Miss BL, if you could just try to project a little bit so the members at home and people listening can hear. >> Sure. >> Okay. Um, you had you had said that the original um quick manner um could hold
approximately 200, right? >> I I think what what I said is that um that my guess was was probably would have hired that. I think my my guess was that the um the main floor would be
about 150. Okay. And the basement level was probably somewhere between the 75 to 100 which would be my guess when I was doing all that calculations. So it's >> 225 to 250. Yes. >> And the the new capacity for this new
new building would be 343. >> 343. That's see that's those that's people that are sitting right and that's um now the book manor was just events right you when you had your wedding there yes >> um it was just an event they didn't have
um a restaurant running restaurant as well right so it was just the flow of people coming to an event right and so this 343 capacity would be for people coming to an event plus people coming for dinner and um I don't think Does it
include people who just want to come to the bar as well? >> Yeah, that's all seats. >> So, there's 343 with bar seats as well, >> I think. Yeah, I I think the 343 what that encompasses is it encompasses 269
seats within the building. And the seats within the building would be the restaurant seats, uh the seats down in the basement in the party rooms, the bar seats, um the um the library seats, the
cigar lounge seat, and and all you know, all the seats combined. Uh and then there was an additional 74 outdoor seats. I think in there, particularly in some of those spaces, those seats don't happen at the same time. Like for
instance, down in the basement, you know, more than likely, you know, not say it's it's all the time, but more than likely if someone was having an event, they would be seated in the party rooms. Um, and then they would maybe go out to the bar to get a drink and, you
know, see. So there's, you know, there there was, I think, 60 and 70, you know. So, I don't know. I count it as as 77. Should the count really be 60? Because you're not going to be sitting at two spots at once. You know, I think that's sort of an evaluation. And I think some
of the the parking and traffic consultants look at that and see where the overlap might be. >> Okay. But the use of space um is going from um a few events a week to seven day a week lunch and dinner business, right? >> The restaurant. Yes.
>> All right. Um I have another question. um the extension in the back on the north side in the backyard in the north side. How many feet does the extension um allow? >> Um
I don't get that exact number. I can tell you it's about 14 or 15. Uh that whole addition, the largest footprint of it is 690 square foot footprint, you know. So I I know a stair is about 8
feet wide, you know, and I look at it and say the lobby is probably another seven feet on that. So I I'd say goes about 15 feet out from the end of the existing building. >> Okay. Um you are aware that there's a house um with the bedrooms overlooking
the on the north side bedrooms and there's a house there's houses on Crestville Court on the west side with their bedrooms overlooking the parking lot. So you are aware of that. >> Very aware of that. Um will the um the so sitting on that deck that cigar deck
on the outside right in the back. >> Um so sitting at that is the ey line sitting there at those tables on the deck or what are you calling it a deck an outdoor deck? >> Yeah, I think we're we call it factory p
what whatever it is we're uh we're calling this outdoor rooftop field. >> Okay. So sitting there with the ey line being directly into the windows of the house on the north and the houses on the west. >> Uh I would have to look at the
topography and see you know maybe uh um >> and also the porch in the front um is very beautiful. the porch in the front. The um the the west side of the porch
would also be um would be in full view of the house directly across on on the west side as well. >> I I think it's part of a way there's screening and landscaping along that side. You know, I I think you know >> what do you consider? >> I I I um
>> that >> um Well, it's on the other houses are on the other side of the street. You know, >> one at a time. Uh the houses are in the other side of the street, you know, and it and then there's uh you know, there's parking spaces in a driveway there, you
know, there's a >> I don't know. I saw the plans. I didn't see parking on that >> angle parking angle. There's angled one at a time and you you have to let each other. >> So my question is, is there parking on
the on the driveway on the west side? I'm I'm sorry, the east side. on the east side. >> Hope the site plan. >> There is >> there is it's angled parking and a drive aisle. >> So you have the houses on the east side
on Crestville Court that would look directly um at the people sitting outside the front and um and and then the back on that back. Um, so if their ey line is directly into the
windows and it's just across the street, you can see it's just across the street, right? It's not really that far. I don't know whether you consider far. >> I I I subjective at a pretty good distance with landscaping and distance below and the
railing there and so on. >> Question. Right. The condensers you said are going to be in the back and you said are going to be dug into the well, right? Right. >> So, >> are going to be what? >> Dug into the well. >> So, how much sound will that um um
prevent from um the neighbor the houses close by from hearing this? So, the condensers would be running non-stop, right? They're going to be No, they cycle, you know, but they um the condensers are going to be
you're more likely to hear your neighbor's air conditioning condenser than you're likely to hear these. >> Um okay, the cigar the cigar lounge upstairs, which by the way my son is excited about. Okay. >> Um the cigar lounge um you talked about
filtration. Are the neighbors in close proximity? Are they going to smell the car >> smoke? No. >> No. >> No. It's too far away. >> Again, could be subjective, right? Um, another question. Now, you talked about the the the banquet facilities down in
the in the lower level. >> I said, well, there's there's dining facilities down there, but there it's it's broken up into smaller rooms and so on. I think that the probably I think that how that's likely to be marketed. it'd be more for party rooms and so on,
you know, and they're relatively small. I think they're like 20 seats per room or something like that. Um, with the ability to expand into it. So, it would be for, you know, um, I would think, you know, showers, office parties, you know, birthday parties, those those type of
functions. >> So, if if they were to rearrange and put bigger tables in, would that increase the capacity? um we're we're designing it for just this number of seats and we're stipulating and get the the site plan
approval will say it's this many seats and the co would be that many seats. >> Okay. >> So if if you could fit more you're not allowed to and and you would likely is it possible that they would maybe put more in one room and take them out of the other room? I think that that's, you
know, that maybe is possible, but I don't think you're going to see more people than that, you know, in the facility. And quite frankly, I I like I said, I think that there's a lot of redundancy in the seats. And I don't I don't see that you ever having that many
people in there at the same time because it'd be going um that the person in the little cigar room is going to go over and sit in the bar when he's done with his cigar, you know. So it's, you know, it's is that two seats, there's a one seat, you know, it's it's you analyze
it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you, >> Alex 18 Corp. >> So I I have a couple questions. Okay. >> By the way, I like your ideas. Some good
ideas. Just a couple questions. >> Good. Thank you. Who plans the fences? Do you plan the fences or somebody else? >> Uh landscape architect and the engineer plan the fences. >> So the u the fences play a big part of
sound reduction. Correct. And privacy. >> Yes. >> Okay. So So we'll address that, right? >> They'll they'll be speaking to you uh later. Maybe not this evening, but >> be optimistic. >> Maybe this evening. [laughter]
Um, you aware of the the noise variance at what time when what time you can't make noise? >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, the the um I I forget the numbers off the top of my head, but there's one threshold for during the day and then after the 10:00 at night, it
drops by 10 dB. I forget if it's 55, 65 or 6575. >> But yes, I'm aware of it. That is like at uh during the week it's at 7 pm you can't be cutting the grass Friday and Saturday 6 and 5 pm. >> Y
>> Okay. So my question is um so you don't impair the neighbors did it occur to you to maybe on the east side of the outdoor the outdoor dining areas it didn't exist the outdoor areas maybe put the glass barrier permanent glass area facing the
east side on the you know >> so to reduce the noise >> you know we we we did not have that specific conversation Um, but I my opinion is that that
uh that balcony up there on that side there is is very small and limited and there's only a few seats. You know, we put it the two tops up there. It's in that lounge area and there's going to be no music out there. Uh I I see that
being as a space where it's going to be more casual conversation and uh I I don't see that creating any kind of, you know, any more of a noise issue than two or three neighbors getting together in their front yard on their front porch or
in their backyard and and uh and having a normal conversation. It's it's not a very it's not a big intense pensive use spot. >> Okay. that having lived in the in the castle court for over 25 years >> just to give you some suggestions and
maybe some I would recommend the the outdoors with the open glass area so the noise doesn't go to the people in the east side and then on the the new entrance that glass also part of the
glass so you have a third open to the open air but the twoirds is protecting the neighbors basically as a neighbor across first street. >> Okay. >> Would protect their noise and would be at less arguments to get it. >> I'll be happy to talk to the the the
ownership about it and and and discuss that or maybe some other possible >> much easier to get your approvals without take to people's privacy and the noise consideration noise concerns and consider. >> I understand they appreciate the
suggestion. Thanks. >> What is it? >> Thank you. So with all due respect your estimates regarding the prior space on seating capacity you were um
relying sort of on your u eyeball view of the space available how many seats you could possibly squeeze in there. I don't think that's really relevant in the context of the discussion. I think we're more interested in what was the
actual uh permitted use of the approval according to Google. So if that's true, I'm not saying it's 100% true because internet uh you are proposing like a 70% increase
from 200 to 34, right? >> Okay. Um yeah, I based my opinion on uh what I recall and my knowledge of the size of the space and what these spaces generally you can do. I like I said I
didn't didn't do the specific calculation. I certainly can and I can lay out seating on it and establish it, >> you know, >> but um but uh yes. >> Well, I'm just stating that with all due respect that's irrelevant. >> Okay. What's relevant is how it would
actually be used whether it for 200 and you were increasing this by 70%. >> Well, we're we're going to get the actual what the occupy load was and then we'll know exactly what that number is as the planner had stated earlier. >> Right. And basically what you have on
>> correct right >> uh the other question is you discussed kitchen and how the um rooms are organized. What about uh handling of trash and the outside uh
your rendering pictures that there's no trash containers. >> So yeah. Yeah, I think the engineer is going to address that. I I think that the uh ownership sort of addressed it briefly that there's a you know uh and the engineer is going to test testify to
that there's in the back of the um back in the uh south west side or northwest side there's a a container you know for the trash you know and that you know that and I said that we had some stairs
off the kitchen where it could get taken out and be taken to that trash container uh and then I think the owner testified to that there would be um several days a week it would get picked up within certain hour limits. I think it was 8 to 10 in the morning.
>> So will be um collected at >> I I believe I believe ownership testified 8 to 10 in the morning uh Monday, Wednesday, Friday. >> That's correct. >> That's the northwest >> right here. Northwest
>> that's north northwest corner. That's Okay. >> Uh also regarding this account to the outside uh seating area, I would say that uh screening is necessary. Uh unless your guests will not be open to
view, but you were on top of hill, you know, beautiful river and stuff. They just my neighbors pull out my window there. So it has to be clean. In other words, it wouldn't be looking out for you looking windows.
>> Okay, I appreciate that. I'll discuss that with the ownership. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other members of the public have any comments? No. Second. All >> in favor?
Thank you, Mr. Arite. >> Thank you. >> Uh, Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I'd like to call our site engineer, Matthew Greco. >> That would be great. >> Thank you. >> Would you like to swear? >> You swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth that open up. >> I do.
>> Okay. You state your name and spell your name and your business address. >> Matthew Greco. Last name is G R Eco. My business address is 169 Ramapo Valley Road, Oakland, New Jersey. >> Mr. Greo, if you would uh be kind enough
to provide the board with your qualifications uh and licenses so we qualify you as an expert in the field of engineering. >> Yes, of course. Um, I'm a graduate of uh with a bachelor of science degree in civil engineering from New Jersey Institute of Technology. Uh, I've been
working in the field for over 30 years. Uh, currently 30 years with McNal Engineering, which I'm still at, and I'm a principal with McNering. I'm licensed in the state of New Jersey for professional engineering and I've testified in front of this board, I believe, quite a few years ago for TICE
once quite a few years ago. Mr. Chairman, I would move to >> We would accept. >> Thank you very much. Uh Mr. Draco, would you uh describe the existing site conditions today? >> Yes. Uh you want to pull up Can we pull up the uh survey? >> Sure.
>> No. >> Okay. We don't have a survey. My >> All right. Uh we'll pull up the site plan and we could use that and which is there uh which should be fine. It in basic terms the the building which obviously was talked
about already by the architects minor addition put out the back of the building but in generally it's in the same location what's there today. The drive aisles the driveways are in roughly the same location that we're proposing uh they're out there today.
The only difference is the size of the drive aisles. We're going to do some reconfiguring that to make them code compliant. Um the parking area, the main parking area that's out there today is to the rear of the uh of the building with parking along both the east
existing along the east and along Crest Field Avenue. Uh all the way at that existing parking there is today on the west side of the boundary is also existing parking for most of that uh line along that southern boundary. uh out in the west. Uh we are adding some
parking to the uh which we'll get into later when I get into the site plan. But uh in general what you see there is roughly what's out there today uh with some additions to the buildings obviously which was talked about and some minor additions and some parking areas that we'll talk about. Um there is
a garage that was mentioned as in the back. It's way up against is right on the rear property line which would be to the north property line. Um that will be coming down. There's uh right up in that corner there's a not just to the right of that actually that's a concrete pad
that's also coming out uh that's right in the left in the corner there that's going to be coming out the garage right where you're showing it correct. Um so all basically what you see you know what we're doing today is mimicking what's there we just improved on it uh
substantially uh for our purposes and for this use. >> You go into the proposed site improvements. >> Yes absolutely. So, uh, in talking again with the driveways where they were the the driveway to the east, uh, which is only 20 ft wide. I believe that was a
two used as a two-way driveway. It had to have been, which is undersized. So, we're converting that only now to a driveway in, ingress only in. Okay. Um, there'll be no exits out of that driveway. That'll be only in. um the
parking along that uh east side of the property. Uh we will we will uh maintain the same um distances in terms of the to the property line of where that parking is. We're just going to change the angle
of that parking to get the proper stall sizes. The stalls out there today are all undersized. They're roughly 8 ft uh wide by 16 ft long. We're going to make them all 9 by 18. All the parking stalls, the standard parking stalls in the property will be 9 foot wide by 18
foot in depth. U so we adjusted the parking angle of those a little bit so we can get a a longer length um to match to get to the 18t and maintain a at a minimum 13t drive aisle through the uh narrowest point towards the rear of the building.
All right. Um the eastern driveway, I'm sorry, the western driveway, uh which is currently at its smallest point, only two 10 ft wide. Uh clearly it's not accessible for two-way traffic. So we're expanding that. It's roughly in the same spot. We're expanding it to 24T wide so
we can have in and out of that driveway. That would be the main entrance, obviously. Um, so that was major improvement to make sure we got access to the site uh with proper uh driveway uh widths. Um, as you come in, we have
some parking that we've added on that curb as it curves to the left. Uh, and that and again um on that south I guess will be the southwest corner. We've added parking along the front there and and some of the side of the south
property line as well. Um, from there we've continued with the existing parking um that you can see along that southern boundary, I'm sorry, the western boundary. Um, all along there we've continued exactly where that existing parking is today. The only
difference again, we're making them 18 foot wide and we're getting all two-way uh drives will be all 24 foot minimum to comply with current standards. uh in all the way to the rear which would be to the north um we are adding the 30 uh
valet parking only spaces. Those 30 spaces up against that that uh uh against the north area there would only be used for valet parking shown there. Um again all bay walls be 9 by8.
What we did was reconfigure the interior aisles, interior aisle, parking aisle. Instead of being a north uh south direction, reconfigured to an east west direction to better gain some efficiency and more parking spaces. All of this was in a goal to one make sure everything is
compliant with current standards and drive aisles and parking stalls, but also to improve as much as possible the efficiency and amount of parking we can get on a site. Uh we we also added as you can see as you get closer to the building. There was no ADA parking that we could find on the
site. We're adding five ADA parking spaces to be code compliant with the ADA codes. There will be and they're directly opposite the the rear new entrance that we'll be putting in that all have ramps and sidewalks and code compliant with ADA as well. Um, as you
can see, we also added quite a bit of islands in there where we could at the end of some of the parking aisles. Um, we've increased the amount of open space on the property by doing some by doing that uh within the parking lot of doing
that. So, um, >> how would valet work when valet is in operation? How would the people enter and how would they valet their vehicles? Well, I believe the people could come in either the uh the eastern driveway and
and pull up in front into the aisle in front there and they would they would they would have valet pick them up there um take their vehicles and and take them um take the val the park into the valet parking and people could walk directly into the building which is right next to the front entrance is where the valet
is. So, um, that I believe that's out of value, but again, the owner rep could speak better about how that >> meaning that the cars would queue up at the end of the building, not at the beginning. >> That's right. That's correct. Right along those existing parking spaces and
proposed. Yeah. >> Uh, any additional parking uh, improvements, curbs? How about storm water drainage? >> Yes. Uh, quite a bit. There's there's virtually no storm water on the site today. Uh there are fuel inlets. It's unclear where they go, what they do. There's certainly no doesn't appear to
be any detention system, any Martin system out there for storm sewers. Uh we're putting curbs throughout. >> Yeah, >> it doesn't appear to be some >> any any real storm water management system on the property today. We are proposing a whole new storm water
management system along with curbing throughout the entire parking area to control that storm water, contain it and collect it and and provide it uh some sort of storm water treatment which will be located in the front beneath the exist
>> in the front of parking area below ground >> below >> uh below surface below surface. So yeah. Yeah. Turn now to uh GV1, >> correct? >> To show the storm water management
system in the front part of the slot area. >> Okay. He just for the record, he was testifying about SP North, but I'm going to move to G. >> One of one of the other main improvements that we were making to the parking lot is we are regrading the
parking lot. um which for one reason it causes part of the rob um reasons why we're disturbing so much property. Um normally we just go in and resurface the existing parking areas they would and would not constitute a disturbance. However, the grades in that
rear parking area in some areas uh exceed 8%. Which is not um desirable for a parking area. Um, and in fact, your code's limited to 6% I believe in the parking areas. So, to uh fix that issue,
uh, we had to regrade that rear parking area um to a 5% max. So, slope. Uh, so that'll be under your 6% and we think that's very efficient. Will work very well for this project. Um to make that
happen um we had to add two uh retaining walls because we're cutting on one side of the parking lot and and filling on the other side to try to balance and level out the parking lot. So along the eastern boundary u near Crestfield there'll be a small retaining wall uh no
more than four feet high and it's more towards the rear uh from the rear of the building uh towards the back parking a little bit. So maximum height of 4T for that retaining wall. So the ground the parking level will actually be below the
grade of of the street and uh certainly be more blocked. There was some discussion about uh seeing the vehicles and seeing uh from the neighbors. So they won't be able to see them. >> Retaining wall going to be and where >> right see where his cursor is right along that eastern boundary right in that area. There's a retaining way
there. So th those grades there are sunken down roughly 4 ft below what's out there today. >> So what's the distance for that retaining wall? >> The the length of it. >> The length of it. Yes. >> Um I I'll estimate
maybe 60 ft in that in that area. I'll uh I can get you exact numbers on that. >> Does that wall start right around where the island is? >> That's correct. >> On the east side. >> Yes. You see that reads top of wall 100 correct wall 99
>> top of wall 100 bottom of the wall 99. >> That's correct. >> The start of it. >> That's Yes. >> And then that runs northbound. >> Yes. >> And what's that? Where is the 4ft mark that you mentioned? >> Well, if you if you look at the detail for the retaining wall, that would be
the concrete retaining wall right there. You can show it. Can you zoom in? It's here to the back. Parking lot is running to >> there. Actually, it's I'm sorry, I misspoke. It is actually three foot high max. >> Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah. All right. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And then there's a fence on top obviously. And we we'll talk about the fence. We're putting fence around the entire perimeter of the property uh for that. Certainly that would be for safety but as well privacy as well. >> No time like the president. Let's talk about the fence.
>> Yeah. Uh the fence were actually uh I think it'll be on the landscape uh plan. I want to pull that up. >> I don't want to stop this flow. It feels so you're talking about I don't know if you're talking about water still or not, but I want to >> keep you moving in the direction you want to go. >> I I we can talk about where the other
retaining wall is and we stay back to that if you want. But um again with the the grades and to adjust the grades and to add some of that parking near the front uh which would be the southwest corner of the property. There's a a smaller retaining wall there in terms of length. Uh and
you can see the top and bottom wall numbers there as well. Down at the bottom of the parking down here. >> Yeah. Go down. Yeah. Right in there. If you see Yes, you can see in there. There's a small retaining wall there. That one is 4 foot high uh maximum.
Right. that that uh that will be constructed slightly different. It's the other one's a concrete wall. This that will be a modular stone wall. This one over in this area. And again, that's only necessary to get the grades um to be more uh reasonable for a parking area.
>> Okay. >> Um you said that on the larger retaining wall that it's going to be a 4ft fence be 7 foot down. The the fence is actually going to be um it's it's 5 foot
uh privacy fence with a 1T of lattice on top. So overall it's 6 foot >> and the tree. So you're not going to see cars above that wall. >> No cars will all be below that retaining wall. Yeah. >> And is all the water from this place running to block 27 on water right now?
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. And to some out to the to prospect as well. >> Okay. from downhill. >> That's correct. Everything goes in a southwesterly direction. Yes. Now, so we're putting uh inlets throughout the
site to collect all the storm water from all the parking areas, uh all the driveways. We have two trench drains in the front as well to collect anything going out towards the street of Prospect. Um and from the roofs as well will all be going into this underground
detention system. Um, we did get comments from the board's engineer on the detention system and we we can certainly address those comments uh that we have that he has. Um, >> with regard to lighting, where would we
where would we discuss the lighting? >> Yes, we're so we're adding uh new LED lighting throughout the site in the parking areas. Um, there'll be polemounted mostly. There's one, I believe, one wall mounted on the east side of the building. Correct. Right in
that area. The rest of them will be polemounted LED. Um, they're a 20 foot fixture height. Um, the uh the goal, right, is is to try and limit obviously any light ex going off site to the
residential. Understanding there's residential all around this facility. We're trying to contain that light and keep it as much as possible. It has to be safe enough for the parking obviously, but uh we don't want to expose and and and have any light uh that we that we don't need to spill off into the adjacent properties. So,
they're completely shielded. They can be controlled. They're all LED, so you can control the temperature of the lights, how bright they are, what color they would look like. That all can be controlled. Um I'm not sure the hours. We heard the hours of operation, but I assume the lights would I believe the uh
um the owner's rep responded that they would be shutting off approximately the time they would be closing. So if >> with the safety lighting obviously to remain overnight, just minimal safety lighting. >> How about the fencing? >> Uh yes. So again, we're extending
fencing uh around the perimeter of the property. uh the would be the um the east, the north and the uh west side of the property line. Again, that perimeter fencing is a total of 6 foot high. We're proposing 5 foot of it to be uh
completely privacy or PVC. Uh the upper foot would be a lattice style which would allow some light and some air to move through to get through as well. So that would be five foot and that again that's around the entire uh three uh property boundaries there which would be adjacent to all the residential
properties. >> You have a visual of the fence? I >> believe there is a detailed >> on a LA1 plan. Yep, that's it right there. a perimeter fence detail.
>> It's just to get that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> The next to it is what the refuge enclosure detail look like. So the refuge enclosure would be 5 foot without the lattice on top. So that would be completely uh bel ab above the uh the the dumpster that would be in the
rescues area and shielded. And did you say that that fencing uh will be on top of the retaining wall? >> Yes. Yeah. >> On the on the east side. Yes. >> Okay. Um and I guess yes, we would also have a I believe on the west side too
not mentioned it. Let me just double check on that. We should maybe we can pull up the gradient drainage plant. Looks like the wall. >> Yeah, I guess looking for the fence on the side. >> The the
No, the Yes. Uh the the the fencing would be on the bottom side adjacent to the property line on the west side as well. >> It would not be >> would not be on top of the wall. on the west. >> Briefly speak to the uh outdoor seating area in the front yard with the walkway
and the fire pit. >> Yes. >> Decorative feature. >> Yeah, absolutely. and and and uh as you can see that that's all just a gravel walkway through there. It'll be a lawn area. Um there's sidewalk leading to it, a concrete hard sidewalk leading to it.
But the walkways in there would just be gravel pearl is what we're looking about. We have some chairs in there with a fire pit and that'll be heavily landscaped as you can see and also to the front. >> That's on a landscape plan. L A
>> landscape architect can probably speak a little bit more to that as well. >> Mie, can we talk about the circulation analysis that we provided TT1? Won't you just take the board for your turning analysis? AB:
>> Absolutely. So on the bottom of the sheet, the three across the bottom there, you open up. >> Yeah, hang on. Just waiting for everybody to open up. >> Okay. All right. On this sheet, the three uh details you see are the
analyses across the bottom of the sheet. Those were the turning analysis. One is for a fire truck uh to get through the site. As you can see, it can maneuver completely through the site and and out there is also a refuge truck can get through the site as well and load and
unload and and com and and depart as well as a loading uh truck vehicle for the loading area. It's in the rear corner of the of the of the building there. So, all those um function quite well. No, no issues. Uh and we could get
through the site with no issues at all with the with the vehicles that are needed to be. Um >> there was an issue with uh the line of sight distance that we originally had depicted on this plan and we provided an exhibit. So, before we move to the exhibit, >> Yeah. >> discuss.
>> Yes. Uh so on the top there, yes, that's the line of sight exhibit uh or detail that we did for this. Um we used a a deta we used a line of sight based on a speed limit uh for that uh roadway of 35
miles hour. The board engineer uh correctly pointed out that uh we should be using the design speed limit uh of 35 and corrected the distances for those site distances. We've created since then
we've looked at that and um re prepared an exhibit that proves that we can meet those um those distances as well that the board's engineer um suggested we utilize. Um to further that I also uh would say that we can not only exceed we
not only meet those distances we greatly exceed them. um looking to the east uh from our exit drive where we can see to I believe it's called Lind Terrace, the second street up to the east from or the next street up from uh Crestfield I
believe. Um there's a crest in the hill there. So you can see all the way to that which is we measured it a little over 460 ft. Um that would be to the east. uh to the west you can actually see all the way to um Broadway which is
roughly 600 feet from the uh driveway. So great sight distance is not an issue whatsoever. We can comply with the required codes for that. >> Mr. I've just marked this exhibit. This was a new exhibit provided. I marked it as A12 line of sight exhibit.
>> Now just go back to the site plan. And I would ask you to go through the zoning uh at the site and just discuss the variances that are required. >> Yes. >> Okay. So um in the zone which is the R15 zone residential zone um
obviously know we know the lot area is 15,000 square ft required. Our site has 70,348 ft. So obviously it's quite quite large. Uh, and >> I'm sorry, just uh that A12 is that did you hand that out?
>> It was not provided and we we don't have any handouts. We didn't print. Do we have copies of it >> for the the line of sight exhibit? >> Yes, >> we do have copies. >> Yeah. >> Is that a modified version because we have >> correct? It is. And it's modified to
show that we do meet and uh and exceed meet the requirements as mentioned by your board. Yes. Like pass the map. And again, what's being passed out is 80, >> right? Thank you.
While we're uh passing those around, if we continue going, >> so um the next item on the zoning requirement is lot frontage, which is 100 ft. Um the existing is 238.45, which obviously we're not changing. We're not changing the lot size, so that
stays the same at 238.45. A lot >> is 200 >> 238.45 ft. Uh lot depth at 100 is required to be at 100 ft. Um existing and proposed is
315.98 ft unchanged. Uh building coverage um required is maximum required is 15%. Um existing is 7.09%. 09%.
That would be reduced slightly under proposed conditions to 7.06%. And the reason for that is we do have a little building addition going on, but we're also taking down the shed, the large garage, I'm sorry, that's at the rear of the property. >> How disappointing.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> So, that >> that's Yeah. Yeah. Uh I thought that would be uh total total surface coverage uh in the zone is required at 40%. Uh
the existing is 69.06%. We are proposing 75.3% and requesting a variance for that for that increase. And again, that is in due in part to the additional parking that we uh added to the front southwest
corner of the property is the majority of that was where that comes from. All right. And that was necessary to try to increase the amount of parking on the site. >> But the existing surface coverage has zero drainage >> for the most part. Yes. Yes. There there
one or two drains very small and unclear where they go if they do anything. So even though that you're increasing the surface coverage, you anticipate much better drainage. >> Oh yeah, we will we were going to we're going to stop all runoff from the site almost completely from all the proposed areas, all the developed areas. We're
going to collect it all and uh and contain that completely and and we will comply with the state storm water management codes as the the engineer has requested that we do. So there not only will it be detained, there'll be some groundwater recharge.
Um we're going to reduce runoff considerably from this site. Ser it'll be completely controlled. >> So So where was all the water going? Just down onto Broadway. >> Uh my guess is towards Prospect and the
neighbors to the south. Just from the terrain out there. Yes, it was >> terrain >> the existing terrain. >> Building height. >> Okay. Um [clears throat] building height
and stories. So, uh required is 30 30 ft and 2 and 1/2 stories. The existing is 37.1 ft or two stories. Um we are proposing 45.58 feet with two and a half stories. Again,
a variance is being requested for that as well. Um, >> do you not, and you might not be able to answer this, but do you know like the the area that will encompass the the height variance?
>> Yes, I think the architect spoke of that. That would be just the uh elevator tower, right? And the and the stair tower that's adjacent to it in the rear of the building. Those are the only components that are being increased in height. >> Do you know how many square feet that is? >> I do not know that.
>> Um, just to touch on the height again, the rest of the elevations uh on the roof lines, are they changing or they're >> I believe they are all staying as they are. >> Yes. I'm 200. Okay. So, I'm just being told
by the architect there's 215 square ft for the elevator and stair tower in area >> at the third floor. At third floor, >> any other roof lines it? >> All the other roof lines staying exactly as they are.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so move on to front yard. Uh required again is 35 ft. uh existing and proposed that's not changing at all. That'll be 83.3 feet. So, it's considerably back 83.3 feet. That's what it is out there today and we're
proposing the same. You're not changing that. Um sideyards 20 foot each, 40 foot total. Um existing and proposed will stay at 34 feet and
122.1 ft total. uh and rear yard which is 30 feet uh will be existing as 180.9 ft. We're proposing 172.5 ft. Still well within the the code. All
right. That's the the rear of the building addition then is 8 ft. >> Yes. >> That's what's changed. >> Yes. with regard to the parking requirements. >> Yes. So, we currently have 85 parking spaces on the site. Um,
so based on a the parking code, which is uh one parking space for each two seats, we have 343 seats. um that along with 30 uh employees which is one parking space for each employee. The total required parking is 202
parking spaces in the code. Um the proposed number of parking spaces is 124 parking spaces. So we're asking a var we need a variance for that in total.
Any other uh variance conditions before we move on? >> Can you give us those numbers again? Sounded a little >> Yeah, >> the required number of seats is the required um I'm sorry, the number of seats [clears throat] is 343,
right? So, you need one space for each two seats uh for that. And then plus >> and then you have well a little more than a little more than that, but and then you have one for each employee. is 30 200 >> 30 employees. So we have 202 parking
spaces that are required. >> 128 >> and we have 124 that we're proposing >> under requesting to increase it to >> I'm sorry
>> to increase the parking to how much? >> Because they can't meet the parking >> requirement. How long you going to go all the way up to the 200 spots? >> No, they they require 200 >> and they're proposing only 124. So they're short
>> for ordinance by 80 roughly. >> I understand that you're going to provide some type of stack parking. >> Yes, we have a light parking and there's a a traffic uh engineer that we have that can speak to that in the plan. >> Okay. talk about >> they're going to stack some parking in
the back. Is that where the valet park? >> That's correct. Is >> correct. That's the valet park >> are longer. >> There's 30 valet spaces along the rear of the property. That's counted in the 124, >> right? But are they longer than the regular? >> No. No, they're all 9 by8, >> but they are stacked together.
>> Exactly. >> But you have an engineer that will speak to the parking specific. >> Correct. We have a traffic engineer and I I don't believe we will get to her tonight, but we do have traffic. >> Good. You almost done. >> Yeah, they're severely under parked.
>> According to our ordinances, it sounds like they're under park by about 82 spots or less than 76. >> Go ahead. >> I have a question. I don't think it's clear. What is the existing condition?
What's parking is there and and what capacity was the building at? >> Understand? I don't know the capacity of the exist what it was at. But I could tell you that the existing parking on the site there today is 85. So only 85 parking spaces out there today.
>> So you're increasing parking from 85 to 124. >> 124. That's correct. That's correct. >> We don't know yet what the actual occupancy was. My point >> and it was only it was not a restaurant. It was a catering facility that
presumably had valet parking during the event. >> Restaurant to a catering mall because it was a restaurant all the way up as the 70s from what I understand. >> Like was that changed as a variance to change it to a catering mall? because it was a restaurant way back when
was it? I'm just curious if anybody >> I'm not sure but the occupancy load is the occupy >> load restaurant or it's a catering. >> It's the same. It's the same for a restaurant. >> The current sign says both. Okay. So
when when it was and how it's changed >> I don't know if I'm saying it's the same for a restaurant or a cater. two. It's one spot for two seats. >> Well, we we don't we don't really I think have any zoning for catering walls
or banquet halls. >> We barely have zoning for I'm just curious. >> This was uh our our zoning doesn't cover facility. >> All right, let's discontin. this
pre-existed up the adoption. So, >> right. >> Sure. >> Any other variance conditions that we're requesting variance or design waiverss for that and then we could conclude. >> Okay. Oh, yeah. Just go through the variances again that we requesting. Um I
guess there's a non-conforming use in a residential zone. Um surface coverage total surface coverage 40% is allowed 69 69.09% is existing we're requesting 75.3%.
Um in building height uh 30 ft is the maximum um with two and a half stories. um existing is 37.1 ft already exceeding it and we will be increasing that to 45.58
ft at 2 and 1/2 stories and no variance is requested for that. Um, we have some design waiverss that we're requesting. Uh, encroachment in 30-foot residential sideyard buffer. That would be on the west side the property.
And that is the what we're requesting is 4.8 ft, which is existing. That's the existing parking that's there now. We're not changing that. So, that's why that uh is still involved in this even though we're keeping the same parking in that. >> Yeah. keeping the same parking
>> in that area, same location. Um, another waiver is encroachment in 30 foot residential rear yard buffer again where 30 ft is required. Zero feet is existing. That's with the
garage and we're proposing 8 foot uh for that. So, there's a waiver for that that we're requesting. We're going from zero to 8 ft. uh requesting uh requested a parking stall size. Uh whereas the code asks for
it requires 10 by 20 uh we require we are requesting a waiver to 9 ft by 18 ft in length. And fourth one is uh in parking areas at least 5% of the parking area should be landscaped.
Um, currently there is existing uh 0% landscaping in the central parking area and the interior parking area. We are going to be adding 2.21%. So, this is still a waiver. We're still under the required, but it's uh much
better than what's out there today. >> I believe that's it. That's it. Thanks, sir. >> I just want to clarify. Um, I don't know if you missed it. It is our stall requirement 10 x 20 or 10 x 18? It's 10 by 20. There is an allowance to go to 9 by8 by the board
>> only because the drawing I'm looking at says the request of park installs of 180 which will measure 19. Okay. It says 180 ft for some reason. >> Yes. I think there's a typo in the code. >> 10 x 18 but that's not 9 by8. So I'm not
sure which way it was going with it. Okay. So our requirement is 10 by 20. You're proposing 9 by 18. >> Correct. >> Okay. Just wanted to be clear on this. >> Mr. Chairman, I have no further affirmative questions of this witness. I turn them over to the board, members of the public. >> Okay. I think first thing we'd like to
hear from is our professionals. David, if you want to go first. >> Based on your your knowledge on design of the plan, are the proposed improvements from an engineer perspective of benefit to the overall neighborhood
site? uh I I believe significantly. Uh they are um just the driveways alone are inferior in in width uh and access. Uh one thing I did forget to mention though on the western driveway, I did mention that that I'm sorry, the eastern most
driveway. I believe that was the two-way driveway. I'm not sure because it's there's no signage out there to clarify that, but it is 20 foot wide. So I assume that was the only one that could be used for two-way traffic. And with that proximity to Crestfield, we felt that was a safety issue. So we
eliminated the uh egress out of that driveway for that reason and converted it to in ingress only um to alleviate any issues that may be uh for that proximity to Crestfield. So that was a major change. changing the grades of the
parking lot uh from as much as 8.3% to 5% is a significant improvement in parking. Um as well as the circulation through there. Um and then just opening up the aisles to be the correct size and the parking stalls all to be the correct
size 9 by 18 which is pretty standard throughout the industry. um uh makes for a much safer uh use of the property for vehicles and the sidewalks that we're adding around the perimeter make it much safer for pedestrians as well.
>> Yes. >> What makes it safer being 9 by8 versus 10 by 20? >> Uh not safer than 10 x 20 but what was out there is 8 by 8 foot wide by 16t height. Okay. >> So it's better than what was there what's there today. every
>> Anthony can you just talk a little bit about the um the improvements on Prospect A. You've got new new curbon sidewalk there. >> Correct. Correct. I apologize left out. So the the sidewalk all along the front the entire frontage will be replaced
with new concrete sidewalk. All new curb ramps will be put in that'll be ADA compliant. Um the curbs leaving from the parking lot and the driveways will all have curb return. So um that'll control all the runoff going through there. Um
and again there'll be ADA ramps uh for there as well throughout there. Make sure they're all combined. >> You'll need to submit to Bergen County. >> Correct. We'll we'll need to submit to the Bergen County uh planning department for their approval which they have jurisdiction over those driveways on the
street. Uh, and then they'll look at the drainage as well, I'm sure. Um, and also Bergen County Soil Conservation Service, which will be permanently >> soil conservation. Yes.
>> And then one I guess a I not a question, but I know the um the operator had talked about some lowlevel lighting at that patio on the front. One of the comments on our report, we asked for a phototric plan.
If you could provide us with a phototric plan just to see the foot candles to make sure that you've got the right cut offs and absolutely lighting's going to meet the way you describe it. >> Yes, we will provide that. Absolutely. >> You know, if you could include that, you know, whatever lighting is for that
patio on that updated plan, then we can have it all in one place. >> Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. That's all I got. Um, what about snow removal on site? Any any plans or locations for it or?
>> Well, uh, I believe snow removal will probably be located back towards the, uh, the valet area. >> Is this flap? Is it a little easier for you to maintain snow on site or >> Well, I I don't know if that changes it much, uh, quite honestly, but, uh, we'll
certainly be able to, uh, you know, collect any of the rain water when it does melt. Uh, that's for certain on that. So, So, where does the snow go? I guess this is the question. >> I mean, you you know, because if if we do get snow, you could lose some parking
spaces. That's why I was asking. So, that you know, I don't know if you have a spot like this back corner. I don't know if what's going in there next to the refuge area. Um or any of the islands, I guess, could be used for snow pilot. >> Yeah, there be that's correct. something could be pushed up against it back the
which would be the north um northwest corner where currently there was a there's a concrete pad that it'll be removed that'll be open space uh we're proposing there as well as the uh the northeast area as well um and some of it
could go in the front as well uh towards uh Prospect and that open space area adjacent to the bathroom. One other improvement I would like to make for safety I want to just point out to forgot to mention on the existing parking angled parking on that eastern
driveway as you're going in. We removed the first two parking stalls and we're not we we removed them from um only because they're too close to the entrance and if somebody was backing out of those spaces they'd be queuing possibly queuing out into the street. So by removing them it would should
eliminate that and should be able to queue at least two cars there now. at least one to two cars in there in the state. Keep it in the driveway rather than sticking out into the street. That was one of the changes we made to the driveway as well. >> And safety. >> All of those spots look to be at a little bit more of a more severe angle.
>> Yes, we we changed the angle on them from 60° to 45° um so that we could get the proper length in the parking spot. we got to the >> that's how we got to the 18T length in from 16T >> and and still maintain a correct drive
by. Yeah. >> We could at least get through him. >> Do do you want um so we typically 10:30 we would call it a meeting. I don't know what you have on plan for the rest of the evening. You want to finish with this witness or you want to start another one? But sounds like the board
may be amunable to a small extension for the evening if you think you can get one more witness in. >> Well, our our next witness would be a landscape uh architect here or we can go to a traffic expert. I think we'd hold traffic until next time. It's going to be a lengthy segment. Landscape architect could probably get done
relatively quickly if you'd like to move through that. >> But if you want to complete the the site engineer, we can 100%. >> But he will be back. I'm just going to ask if I can get an approval from the board to extend the meeting for a half an hour so we can hear the landscape market >> until 10:30. >> It It's going to go to 10. Doesn't it go
to 10:30 already? >> Yeah. Sorry. >> I'd rather finish up that person first. I'd rather finish up that questions and start with the public with the engineering next time >> and start with the landscape engineer next time. Okay. So then let's just get an a meeting extension granted so that
we could finish this. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Can we get that motion because technically >> wait >> motion >> second would be all in favor. >> Sorry about that. I thought we were
actually going to 11. So, [laughter] >> I was just filming on >> I didn't notice. >> Any anybody else on the on the on the
panel on the board have any other >> Yes, I do. So you've been an engineer in New Jersey for over 30 years and have a sense of experience I guess with restaurants. >> I have some >> facilities. Have you ever uh suggested
an engineering plan where the restaurant catering facility is 38% under parked? Well, I I can tell you that I've I've been in front of plenty boards with variances for parking uh for restaurants and many other commercial uses throughout New Jersey
>> to this extent. 8% is huge. >> Can I ask one question to kind of counter that? >> I'm sorry. >> What is the typical parking per seats in most municipalities? >> What is the typical parking >> per per seats
>> for traffic? Yeah, I think the traffic engineer could probably handle okay to that question. >> I think there is I can >> that would be great. You you're actually paid by us. >> Yeah. The um typically a bar a lot of
times wait one seat or or two seats per space. Uh restaurants are usually three to four seats. >> That's what I remember. Yeah, that's what I >> That's a typical, >> right? So, if we were at >> It's the bar that is the tense,
>> right? If we were at a three seats to one stall, would we I mean, one parking spot, would we be within >> I can't do it in a minute. >> Robert, do we not that hard to do?
>> The recliner would be about 100 spots. They have 124. >> Yeah, there's there's 300. only because I remember the application coming before us for the last restaurant and I remember a 3 to one rather than a 2:1 coming up then as well.
>> It would be 110. It would be 140. >> It would be >> it's 343 seats, right? >> Divided by 3 is 110. 113 plus 30 employees 140. >> You'd be at one >> and you have 124. So your 20 shot. >> Yeah.
>> Roughly. That was the restaurant that I think we approved on broadly if I'm hosting >> kinder >> and the Uber and Lift have changed that but the parking codes are probably not chang >> but again the traffic engineer will get through that. Let's try to finish with
the engineer engineer. You guys got anything else for him? >> All right. something in the planner's report about EV charging stations or >> Sure. >> Yes. Yes. Uh correct. We don't show that
on a plan. Um if the board would uh require one, we would certainly add an EV space to the property. Um >> the testimony is we will comply if it's required, the applicant will comply. >> I believe I believe the code is based on
a number of new parking spaces. I believe it's based on how many new parking spaces you're proposing. So if we're going from 85 to 124, there is 39 new parking spaces which would require one EV space which we would comply with.
>> I'm assuming that's correct. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Anthony, I know I believe in your report you requested testimony on certain areas that they will cover. Some of it, some of it will be covered with traffic and some of it with the
landscape department. Okay. But engineering is >> our DPW made a com comment about the sewer lines being checked. That's been any investigation of >> We haven't done any, but we will comply with that. That was brought up by the
engineers comments as well that we would TB the sewer lines, the storm sewers as well. We would do all of that and provide that information to the to the port's professionals. >> I don't have any other questions. Can we get a motion open to the public for a cross-examin witness?
Second. >> All in favor? >> Any members of the audience have any questions for the uh comments come later? questions cross-examined for the witness. >> Sorry, keep coming up. >> It's okay. You got 15 minutes.
>> My name again, Alex. >> That's your Okay. So, I have a couple question. That's pretty pretty satisfied with what the engineers came up with.
The main questions I have is related to partying, lightning and sound dead. Okay. So one question is on the east side on the you said the the driveway are you lowering the and taking some
soil away and >> well >> uh behind the building we are for that initial driveway as you're moving in off of um prospect to the rear of the building will stay as it is today. >> So on on the east side as as first drive will stay the same
>> exactly the same elevation that's out there today roughly. Yes. As you get past the rear of the building, um, we start to cut down and depress the parking area and the parking lot in that area, uh, along that side. >> Now, another question. You talked about
lightning on the on the parking lot? >> Yes. >> Is lightning a zoning required? >> Yes. >> Because of I don't know board is aware that has been no lightning since for the last 22 weeks.
significant improvement. >> Now the other question is is there a requirement for the height where the lights are? >> Yes, >> there a zoning requirement. >> The maximum height I believe is 25 ft. >> No, no. Is there a minimum height required? Not the maximum. >> Minimum? Not that I'm aware of.
>> Okay. So, just for the zoning. So, right now it looks like residential area. Our impression here from our neighbors is all of a sudden the parking lot has 20 foot eye lights. Now we have a bulb in our house. Okay. So my recommendation is
to put a 5ft tall lightning. So people they've survived for the last 22 years with no lightning. So 52 foot tall still looks residential. If it's 20 foot tall everybody has lights in their house. It's looking at
the parking lot. Okay. So there just a suggestion. Okay. >> Uh the other suggestion is on the pants. >> Yes. >> You said you it's going to be 5 foot plus foot. Now you're measuring that
from street level from rest side or from >> from that's the height of the fence from the from the ground up. >> Okay. >> For where the fence is. >> Is it on top of the retaining wall though? >> It in that area. It is correct. Cresfield retaining wall first and the fence on top.
>> So it basically would be equivalent of being on the street and right now there is a grass on >> the existing the existing grade that's out there today. Yes, that would be six feet above that existing grade will be the top of that fence. >> So from our neighbors our recommendation
is that we have maybe a 9 foot fence because let me tell you what right now historic for last 22 years every second weekend we had an event. Every once in a while we had more people and Crestfield Court was completely taken over and we
haven't disturbed was not a big deal every couple weeks but now if it's every day is a different story. So our recommendation is to raise the fence to eight at 8 or 9 ft from the crest field
port and from the neighbor on the north so they have more privacy and lower the lights not 20 ft because that's now we have the mall lower the lights below the visibility of the fence from the street. Okay. So, so it's still privacy. We have
a privacy of lighting and the other thing is possible make a fence that will be a sound deadening fence. So, we have privacy of sound as well. I mean, we want you to be successful, but let's work together. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, that would be my recommendation.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Now, I would finesse the parking. Uh I've seen before where when they had large events they bust people from uh the park by the station and bust people up for
large events. Just maybe you can be creative when if there is large events you have another way with val so it doesn't become a problem that long we want to be successful but
we don't add court and and the other state above to be every day or every week completely overwhelmed. So if we can't finesse that, you know, we want you to be successful. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Thank you. at first input. >> I just clarify the height of the existing structure, the proposed structure, >> the exist the height of the existing structure. >> Uh 37.1 ft is the height.
>> Is that the actual height or the variance ground? No, that's that's the height of the structure based on the average grade adjacent to it >> which is >> proposed. We're asking for a variance for that and it is uh 45.58 ft.
>> 45 is actually what's planned or is it just what you're asking for variance? >> That's what we're planning for variance. >> The actual structure. >> Yes. where the where the elevator uh just for the elevator area and that uh
stair tower adjacent >> is actually 45 ft. That's what you you're not asking for more than what you're planning to do right now. >> No abs. >> Okay, >> that's the matter about crash and being at the north northwest corner kitchen being at the
northeast corner. I mean how will trash move from kitchen area to trash like inside. There's some hallway inside or is it going to go down outside? >> Well, it will it all has to get outside.
So, it has to they'll they'll try take it across the parking lot. Now, it'll all be done obviously, I'm sure, off hours, but the the owner's rep can talk to that how they operate and how they take care of trash. >> Plan separate containers for recyclables. >> Yes, that would be in there as well. If
it's required to have recyclables, that would be in there with the trash. And you were the person to speak about that in detail or from >> it in terms of the operation of the facility and how the trash is taken out. I'm not that person. It should be um the operations manager.
>> Yeah. >> Hi, we have Marie 18 report. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Okay. Um um I liked what you said about um being in the R15 zone and how the structure needs to compro. Can you just
repeat what you said because you said it was late and I can't remember exactly what you said >> master plan the 15 zones. So my question to the architect related to existing architecture
of a typical residential home did the architecture that he was proposing is that similar to that >> and and if I do recall his testimony it it was it was similar to based on roof
lines based on windows based on materials used. In fact the materials used were and uh no viol. >> So, >> okay, >> he answered my phone. >> Okay. All right. But, um I'm going to
echo um um what this gentleman said here about um the lighting. And so, um residential stories are about um about 10 ft. Each story is about 10 feet, right? So, the 20 foot lights is
equivalent to two stories, right? So, based on what the said, "I don't think 20 foot lightings actually complement the R15 zone." And like like he said, it's going to look like a mall. So, um I I echo his request that we lower the
lighting so that it's not so that we don't feel that we're living next door. Um okay. The other thing you had said that um safety lights are going to be on. You said the safety lights are going to be on overnight as we said, right? Okay. So, can you just give me a little
bit a little more information about these safety lights. >> Uh I I I can't speak to it in detail, but I I would I would think the town would want some lighting in that parking lot overnight. If >> I'm not mistaken, Anthony, don't we have is there a requirement for to have some
sort of minimum amount of light? >> There's guidelines for minimum foot candles. It's not an ordinance, but there's just a a state guideline or >> the ordinance is adequate lighting for parking areas of pedestrian.
>> Ultimately, the applicant would uh would agree to whatever the board feels is appropriate. We're going to provide a plan, a lighting plan that includes illumination levels. I think it might make sense. >> Correct. I think it might make sense for that plan to also include a separate lighting plan for off hours and the
illumination level uh proposed for those off hours and then the board can make a determination as to whether that's appropriate. Um, ultimately the applicant would be willing to turn the lights off whenever the board would would agree. >> Some kind of security lighting at police
department. They're the men and women after hours wondering what's going on in the department. >> We have we have no problem submitting that plan to the police department for their review. >> Anthony, I mean, the residents seem to
think that the lowering the lighting I guess the poles and the lighting. Can is that something that I mean we don't have too many facilities like this that are in residential zones. Um so can the the lights be lowered and be affected?
>> So to answer that yes you can bring them down say at 15 ft but when you bring them down then you end up possibly you know it's about us. My question
>> there's only six. >> It tells you how many there 12 P 12 P mounted and one on the wall building. >> So Anthony, what would be your recommendation? Keep them at 20 ft. >> We could look at I mean we could have them look at 15 feet. Is that I mean is
that going to make a difference? >> Elves what's regular traffic to street light. >> So like a a decorative street light, those are 12 to 14 ft. But those are
those are more to provide pedestrian level lighting. >> The street lighting itself on the utility poles, the cobraheads, those are up high to light the street. So >> why don't we just stick with submitting the plan, day and night plan. We'll have the police look at it. We'll have the
engineer look at it >> with the photos, >> right? >> Of course. >> Hey, thank you. That's >> a comment about the lighting real quick. The uh uh diagram show you have no picture.
>> Have you seed anything like I'm sorry, did you speak that? Have we selected any kind of uh >> I think they testified that they would have uh I forget what we had said. >> We could provide the >> the ability to control the lighting. >> We could we could provide the detail at
a lamp fixture itself in more detail so you could see what it looks like. Yes. Um >> but the LED lighting is completely controllable. >> That's right. You can control the intensity, the light color. Um, it's completely controllable and there'll be
shields to make sure it doesn't um shine on. So, adjacent properties. >> It's not light going to the neighbors, >> right? The lower polls 14 or 15 pedestrians are in the parking lot. They're not going to be down lights as much as
>> That's correct. They'll have to >> So, there will be more horizontal a supposed to be >> next time. >> We'll take a look at it. We'll take a look and see what we can do about reducing that. >> Yeah, if the client's got a spec on a
fixture, you could even include that spec on the what would you call it? What >> on the lighting of the phototric? >> Absolutely. We'll provide that. >> Any other members of the public have any comments? >> Sure.
Jos, >> you spell that for? >> Yeah. D E T U >> last name C. >> No, >> maybe I missed it. Is there any fencing or privacy fencing for residents right
directly across from your >> along along the front of the property? >> Yeah. >> No. No. There's extensive landscaping being provided along that actually all around the perimeter as well which will help shield all the lighting and and noise as well. But the the landscape
architect can talk about that. But there's no fencing of course the front of the property grows. Um what about the um the outdoor patio? Does it have any uh restrictions or any you know anything that prevents because out of course it's
directly facing the entrance the patty. >> I mean I think when you look at the landscape plan you'll see that I I don't I don't know because I I haven't had a visual and I'm sure the landscape architect will testify more to this but I don't think you'll be able to see that um patio area from Prospect if that's
your question. >> Yes that is. Yeah. I don't believe so, but I'm not the landscape engineer to be able to testify to it. And I don't know if they have a rendering of it from the street, but I'm sure that they'll testify more on that later. >> Okay. Thank
>> any other members of the public. >> I make a motion to close to the public. >> All in favor? Um, if we could just take maybe a minute or two and think about a potential special meeting to see if we can calendar that in
>> either before or right after our next scheduled meeting, which is when >> the 13th, >> our next meeting. >> Our next meeting is scheduled for the 13th. Right. >> Um,
Are you continuing this application on November 13? >> No, that's what we're trying to figure out right now. >> The council say >> as of right now, I don't think we have anything for the 16th. So we can have them coming first on the
16th on December 16th. And you're >> we are available. Our experts are available for the December 16th meeting. Correct. >> 16th is not a holiday. >> It's not operator. Ariel,
>> are you good on December 16th? [clears throat] >> Well, second that doesn't have a lot of meeting. >> I'm looking for an answer. >> You're good. All right. So, it looks like maybe what we'll do is we'll carry the meeting until December 16th and have
you first on the agenda for the 16th. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, the applicant also agrees to wave the applicable time limitations for the requested adjournment through December 16th. >> Before everybody leaves, >> guys, could you just be quiet so we can finish up the meeting? >> Okay. This meeting uh this hearing on on
this application will be continued on December 16th. You're not going to get any new notice of that meeting. So, anyone who's listening and everyone who's in attendance here or you're interested in this application, it will be heard and continued on December 16th
at 7 p.m. Burl Hall. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of board. Thank you for your time. We'll see you again on December 16th. >> Thank you. >> Motion to second. All in favor? >> I thank you.
I apologize.