--------- [Laughter] One minute, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you, Roger. >> The official timekeeper. >> Make sure you mention that we want to welcome the ladies bring medals back.
action for another school year. And >> you know, I wanted to you were talking about the Christy house. I was telling my husband about it as we went by and I I would love to know when it's open. Is that ever announced?
>> Yeah, I'll I'll make sure you know they have a tour every year. >> It's pretty pretty >> usually through the fall. >> Is it Christmas time? >> Yeah. Early early December. because I know you've mentioned it too
>> and I joined the historical society. >> Oh, thank you. >> There's uh there's more work to be done. >> I think we're I think we're ready here. >> Under public comment. >> Okay. Okay. The Tuesday, September 2nd,
2025, 8:00 p.m. regular meeting of the Wyoff Township Committee is now in session. If everyone will rise for the flag salute. >> I alian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which
it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Remain standing for our invocation, please. Reverend West Kenyon from the Assembly of God. Reverend, good to see you again. Thank you for joining us. >> Good to see you also. Gracious heavenly
father, we are thankful tonight for your love and your kindness beyond agree. But Lord, our hearts are broken tonight for Minneapolis and other places where kids have been literally brutalized by all sorts of attacks.
God, I say attacks because they are totally useless. We don't understand it. So tonight, I pray for not only healing there, but I also pray for peace here. Lord, I get excited when I hear the kids
making all sorts of noise around. Some people get a little upset about that. But Lord, it's it's a beautiful sound because it says that Wyoff is alive. It says Woff is vibrant. White Coff is doing some great things with their kids.
So Lord, tonight I ask that you bless and keep our kids in a very special way. Lord, watch over them. Lord, if somebody's doing something stupid like we've heard in the past of other places, stop them down, Lord. Just put a a
block, a wall block before them so they can't do the stupid stuff, Lord Jesus. Lord, I also pray that you would bring peace throughout this entire city. That you will also work in this this group here. Lord, I don't know what their
physical needs are, but Lord, I ask for you to keep them in in good health. I speak good health to them tonight and bless each one and bless all of our workers even behind the scenes. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
>> Amen. >> Thank you, Reverend. Keep looking for that pancake. meeting whether formal action will be taken was posted in the township's office at two >> here
>> here. Thank you. We'll uh take a motion to open the 8:00 PM business meeting for public comment period. >> So move second. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lane. >> Hi. >> Mr. Madigan.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Thank you. The meeting is now open for public comment. Five minutes per speaker for public comment on any governmental issue that a member of the public feels may be of concern to the residents of
the township of Waco. If you wish to make a comment, please step forward to the microphone. >> Seeing that, I make a motion to close to the public. Seconds, >> yes. Mr. Wayne, >> yes.
>> Uh, yes. >> Okay. Okay. I'll take a motion to approve the August 19th, 2025 work session and business meeting minutes. >> Second. >> Yes. Mr. >> Hi. >> Mr. Madigan.
>> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. On to the consent agenda. Nancy, please. >> All matters are considered by the committee to be in nature. by the tax committee that will be
removed from the consent agenda and considered separately. We have just resolutions tonight as per NJSA 54.4.3 tax exempt 75 bills appointing for the 2026 school
year to apply to funding from county open space. We have no introduction tonight and just one motion to approve the Christian services at Cedarville Christian Church.
Cedville Christian Church on the day of the event. >> So move second. >> Yes. Mr. Lane. >> Hi. >> Mr. Madigan. Yes. >> Yes. >> On tonight's agenda. The first is 2044
which is an ordinance amending chapter 57 restricted are limitations and safeguards for municipal property for second reading by title only. >> This is the time and place for the public hearing on ordinance number 2044.
All persons who wish to be heard, please state your name before making your statement. If you wish to make a comment, please step forward to the microphone. >> I move that the public hearing on ordinance 2044 be closed. >> Second,
>> yes. Mr. Lane, >> I may be committ public hearing consideration directed by law. >> I move ordinance 2044
on second reading by title only >> yes >> yes approved. I have a second ordinance for public hearing consideration on agenda is ordinance number 204 which is an ordinance amending and restating chapter
56 of the code of the black entitled public access to government records to reflect current legal requirements and under the amended open areies have been made available to members of the general public of
requested the same. >> This is the time and place for public hearing on ordinance number 2045. All persons who wish to be heard, please state your name before making your statement. If you wish to make a comment, please step forward to the microphone. >> I move that public.
>> Yes. Mr. Wayne. >> Hi. >> Mr. Madigan. Yes. >> Yes. Authorizing directance on second reading by title only. >> Thank you, Mansky. Yes, Mr. Lane. >> Mr.
>> Mr. motion is approved. I have a third or public hearing further consideration on tonight's agenda. It is ordinance number 2046 or amending chapter 9 to reclassify existing section as
article one reserve sections 9-5 through 9-10 and establish a new article totally disabled veterans and surviving spouse policy for second reading by copy of this ordinance website.
posted a members of the general public. >> This is the time and place for the public hearing on ordinance number 2046. All persons who wish to be heard, please state your name before making your statement. If you wish to make a comment, please step forward to the microphone.
Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. and directed to publish the notice of final newspaper as provided by law. >> I moved 2046 on second reading by
federal >> yes and final public hearance which is an ordinance amending chapter 165 of the code of add- >> this is the time and place for the public hearing on ordinance number 2047.
All persons who wish to be heard, please state your name before making your statement. If you wish to make a comment, please step forward through the microphone. >> Seeing none, I hear >> Mr. by the time committee public hearing
by authorized by law. >> I move ordinance 2047 >> second. >> Yes. Motion to adjourn. Second. >> We're adjourned.
>> Thank you everyone. [Laughter] >> You can tell. You can tell we have fun with it. >> Might as well. Good. >> Feel Part: 2
Seven. ready. >> Okay. >> The um Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025 work session meeting of the Wyoff Township Committee is now in session.
Roll call, please. Nancy >> here. >> Mr. Lane >> here. >> Mr. Madigan >> here. >> Mr. Mil >> here. >> And mayor >> here. This regular work meeting of the white committee is now in session public
meetings. of this meeting on the bonop. >> Thank you, Nancy. I saw we had some late vouchers here. Is everything signed and reviewed and uh all documents ready to go? >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you.
I'll take a motion to open the meeting for 10 minutes public for public comment for for 10 minutes. For 10 minutes, please move >> second. >> Yes. Mr. >> Hi, Mr. >> Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes. Okay. The meet the meeting is now open for public comment for 10 minutes, two minutes per speaker on any governmental issue that a member of the public feels may be of concern to the residents of the township of White Club. If you wish
to make a comment, please step forward. >> State your name. >> Leila Bogdanski. >> Okay. >> Good evening. and I am a freshman at Ramipo High School as well as a resident of Wyoff. I'm here today to propose the addition of our sports facility in our
community. While Wyoff offers a wide range of recreational spaces for many activities such as roller hockey, tennis, basketball, baseball, football, and bounceback walls, there's currently no designated area for the sport of volleyball. As an active volleyball
participant and a resident, I have seen firsthand how much interest and support there is for the sport for residents of all ages. I recently discovered that a fundraising effort was put in the way to make and add two new bounceback walls at Pulis Field and the YMCA in
commemoration of a resident. This made me want to suggest that if donations were successful and the walls were built, then the existing wall at Memorial Sport facilities can be made into a volleyball court. Doing so would provide a dedicated space for the volleyball players and residents who
would like to explore the sport while still providing the bounceback walls available elsewhere in town with more space and more availability for those to use it. A volleyball court would not only create opportunities for residents to stay active, but also for community
engagement by bringing people of all ages together to practice, play, and enjoy a sport that is not included at the Whiteoff facilities. I believe this addition would greatly benefit White by promoting both recreation and togetherness of residents in our town's
athletic facilities. Thank you very much for your time and consideration of my proposal. I would be grateful for any for the opportunity to discuss this idea further at the next committee meeting and explore how we might make it possible for residents to play and participate together at the court. Thank
you again. >> Thank you for your comments. >> Is is volleyball a scholastic sport in any of the schools? I don't even know. >> It is. Okay. >> Both boys and girls. >> Both boys and girls. Okay. All right. Thanks for your comments. We'll pass them along. Anyone else wish to comment
on that? >> I think Your mother must have taught you. >> She really did. >> Tom. >> Tom. >> Yeah. I just want to let you know uh thank you for that wonderful idea. I think it's terrific. I'm the layers on
to the recreation uh group and I'll I'll make sure that it comes up at our next meeting. >> I never heard of it. Kind of logical since we have it at the high schools and everything. And as you point out, has always had a premium. I think it's a great idea.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Being none, a motion to close the meeting to the public. >> Seconds. >> Yes. Mr. Lane. >> Hi. >> Mr. Madigan. >> Yes.
>> Uh, yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you. Um, so now we have a proclamation for the I would like the team members to come come up forward. We have two rows up here. Let's fill in the front here. Then we'll do our proclamation and take some pictures. Come on. Come on team.
Let's go. Don't hide in the back row. You have two rows to fill in here. So don't be bashful. Have a seat. Have a seat. We'll read the proclamation. And Wonderful. Those jerseys, those jerseys are really,
really I like the jerseys really. Woff Raiders. Okay. So to begin, whereas the 2025 WOFF Raiders 12U travel softball team is the 2025 Bergen County Girls Summer Softball League 12U
champion by virtue of its 76 semi-final win over Ramsey on July 24th, 2025 at Community Park in Wyoff and its 3-2 championship victory over the Washington Township Falcons. on July 27th, 2025 in New Milford. And
whereas this exceptional team has completed its 2025 season with an overall record of 35 wins and one loss, including their 11-1 regular season summer record, which earned them the league regular season title and the number one seed in the summer league
playoffs. And whereas this outstanding team's hard work and dedication combined with its great skill and teamwork led the team to dominating its its competition throughout the spring and summer, going 24-0 across four tournaments and winning the
championships over worthy opponents in the finals of the Midland Park summer blastoff tournament. 8 nothing over Highlands Fire. The Woff girls of summer tournament 20 25 over Emerson. The Ramsay Rumble tournament 7-3 over
Emerson. And the Highlands summer sizzle summer tournament 5-3 over the Blue Storm Lightning. And whereas the Wyoff 12U travel softball team benefited greatly from the dedication, commitment, and leadership of head coach Jos Patelli
and assistant coaches Chris Shell, Ross Meyers, Sean Powers, and Crystal McGawan. And whereas a special group of girls um including GA Bertelli is Isla Gentilli, Abby Lim, Isella Mcclory,
Annie McGawan, Audie Meyers, Joel Newman, Maddie I'm going to say Chola, Emma Powers, Mattie Shell, and Savannah Tria achieved these extraordinary feats during the commitment and commitment to unselfish team play, tireless work
ethic, outstanding softball skills, and their overall commitment to each other and the game of softball. Now therefore, be it proclaimed by the township of Wyoff Township Committee, Township of Wyoff County of Bergen State, New Jersey, that the Wyoff Raiders 12U
travel softball team coach Josh Patelli and his staff are hereby extending congratulations on behalf of our entire entire community for the significant success they have achieved and our thanks for winning and serving a positive role models for the young athletes of our community and for illustrating the rewards that can be
achieved through commitment and diligence in pursuing this excellence. Now it's signed by myself, Rudy Bonster, Mayor over the names of Mayan Magdansky, Roger Lane, Tom Madigan, and Peter Milkon. So give him a round of applause. Wow. All you guys do is win.
>> That's great. Okay, so we have proclamations here suitable for framing. So come on up and everyone get a proclamation. Coaches included. Congratulations. >> Congratulations so much. >> Thank you very much.
>> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> How are you? >> Good. Good to see you, too. Anyone else Congratulations. >> We must be missing. >> Okay, let's take some pictures. That's a little better. >> Now I feel a little better here.
>> I feel a little better. One more. >> All right. [Applause] Congratulations. [Music] You just walk Good to see you.
a Washington counter. Yeah, I know. >> Well, Rudy Wenszel, >> Janet, you're right, >> right? Right. Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No. Nor is Janice afterwards.
>> Yeah. >> Huh? Instagram. We do. I'm actually >> All right, Matt. Review of the 8:00 PM agenda, please.
Um, we really only have three resolutions of uh of importance. The first is cancelling of taxes for a disabled veteran. Uh, we have reappointing ours for the
2025 26 school year. >> Right. >> And uh 20 resolution 2014 is a resolution uh that the county needs us to do or with regard to our 2025 county open space application. Uh they
wanted to change some of the wording in there. So it doesn't say that we're looking to go up to that. This is the cost. There's one motion and as we mentioned before, as you know from our previous meeting, we have
several ordinances for public hearing and further consideration. U one is chapter 57, our restricted updating certain areas of the municipal property that are off limits. uh resolution 2045
uh which is amending chapter 56 which updates our public record ordinance to being compact and ordinance 2046 uh which solidifies our procedure for approving totally disabled veterans and surviving
spouse property tax exemptions. And finally 165 which puts into place uh some requirements on our utilities with regard to uh placement replacement and removal of
public also puts the requirement in that we want new utilities to be placed underground where possible. There, if you recall, there was one other ordinance that was introduced at the last meeting, which was a zoning amendment for Squall Brook that will go to the planning board at the September
meeting. Um, and that ordinance will come back at our next meeting here. Uh, just a couple quick items. First off, the fireworks are on the 27th. Um, I received word today that Burton County will introduce the ordinance to decrease the speed limit on White Golf A
from the north end to around Community Park. sorry on their September 30th uh board commissioners meeting. Uh this is the crucial step forward towards us adding the crosswalk at Spring Meadow Drive. Uh we are working with Midland Park right
now. Uh they've received a grant from the NJ DOT to pave Park Avenue in their town. We have a very small section of Park A compared to theirs. >> Uh and and some of our a good portion of our section of Park will then need to be
need to be repaved by Bridgewood. So, we're actually going to be working the three the three towns of us are working together to come up with a shared service agreement uh which would allow Midland Park then to go out to bid for the entire project uh prior and award it prior to the end of the year so that
they can be on time with their NJOT grant. More to come the next year. received word from the NJ DOT that they have now committed to replanting the BM on James Way. Um we're just waiting on a start date there.
And finally, we do have three job announcements currently posted. Tax assessor with a position open immediately. Land use administrator, which is also our planning and zoning board secretary with her position opening up on or around November 1st. And a technical
assistant in the building department also on or around Nove. That's all. >> Thank you, Matt. >> I have a question. >> Just for clarification, James Way is along street. Is that the same James Weight B planting that I've been kind of
involved with over the last several months. >> This is the James Way covert that started four years ago that they where they were working under under 208. >> Okay. >> And where they took down all the trees. Uh >> I'm going to say that's in the area >> it's at the end of Mir. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Down to >> Yeah. It's not a long section that they're that they're replanting. It's mostly just by that concrete burn that they took that they rebuilt. >> Okay. We going to notify those residents that have been hopping to get
>> included in the communication back and forth with D. But I will Yes, we will reach out. >> Okay. Can you make sure cuz it's come up >> to me probably two months ago. back and forth for with them for a couple weeks.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> It's great. >> Okay. >> So, all right. Policy action. That was that um township committee. Pete, would you like to start? >> Yeah, sure. We just want to piggy back
on what Matt said. Fireworks September 27th. Come out. support our first responders. We will gates open at 6. We're going to have the snack stand open, beer garden, and a DJ. Looking forward to it. Crossing our fingers at rain this year. Uh Centennial uh
committee, we had since last meeting, so planning is still ongoing there. And also just want to comment, great news. Um finally, the speed limits being lowered on Black Avenue. another piece of our commitment to
public and pedestri. >> Thank you, Pete. Tom, >> a couple things. Back to school is uh this week and uh I know we uh say a prayer and we also keep in mind the safety of all our youngsters this school
year. I have a lacrosse meeting, lacrosse wick meeting this week. I just want to compliment everybody on the roads in the center of town. They look great. They're finally finally being restriped. And uh
I'm pleased to report that several ladies in town have approached me and said that they're back to get into the market basket in 20 to 22 minutes rather than the 40 45. It was so inconvenience. But I think we did a great job and kudos
to all those that worked on that project and got it finalized. It's quite a challenge. And uh let's see anything else. Oh, just on a personal note, my father would have been 100 years old today. So he's up in
heaven looking down. Happy birthday. >> Thank you, Tom. Roger. >> That's great. Uh okay, Srisky House, I'll do first. I uh I want to read just this one paragraph
because it's Mark and Joyce tomorrow who are on this brisky house committee. And there's an update. The roof has been cleaned, repaired, and oiled. Mark and I, along with an occasional few helpers, have cleaned up about 25 years of weeds,
sticks, debris from the property. We brought 160 large Home Depot bags of weeds, etc. to recycling in the DPW. Parted away a truckload of vine debris. 295 bags of mulch spreading the beds. We
trim the shrubs as well. The yard looks awesome. Please go take a look. Uh the painters are powerashing and and the house is scheduled to be painted. Uh so I would encourage anyone to when you go by the Zriski house, you'll be able to tell just by looking at the roof the
work that's being done there. And a special thanks to Mark and Joyce and anybody else who participated in in cleaning up that historic property that we have. Uh secondly, we under the fire department. Uh the beach party is this
Thursday from 6 to 10 p.m. Uh it benefits the White Company one firehouse and uh we encourage everybody to attend. Uh under historic preservation, we still need two members. So if anybody uh
either here or that may be listening would like to participate in that committee, that would be wonderful. And yeah, kudos on the road repairs, Tom. We're certainly pleased. And once we see those yellow stripes, everything will be
really great. That's all I have to say. >> Thank you, Roger. May >> you may obviously committees haven't met, but we're going to start in a few weeks. But I do want to report the event we went to at um
Hope Christian Services. They hosted a lights out celebration. They're closing the Bushman building for the residents and they're moving them to group homes. Um, and it was a really nice celebration. They spoke about the history of the East how they started
1972. Eastern Christian children's retreat there and they've evolved to now what they do now um at home Christian services and they I missed the tour that they had at the Bushman building but
apparently they're doing like activities sensory programs um classes like living skills teaching them living skills and cooking laundry day activity and retail which is really nice and I have Um it was really nice to sit there and
see all the volunteers all having smiles on their faces. You know, giving so much time to the residents there. Um and everyone who spoke always mentioned God being the center of everything and how grateful they are and I thought that was great. So it was a really nice service.
It was short and sweet and it was nice to see part of the celebration. >> Right. >> That's it. >> Okay. >> Thanks, May. Yeah. Yeah. First on my list also was the um the last lights out
um in the Bushman building um at Hope Christian Services, formerly Eastern Christian Children's Retreat. Now they've used utilized that building for over 50 years. Was the original building built up there. They have uh group all group homes now. They um the state has mandated that there are no more
institutional facilities. So they're in group homes now. But the the good news is their home is still 700 Woff A or 700 Mountain A W White Woff and uh they do us proud. So and they they continue to do a great work. We have two of their group homes opening in WOFF with a third
coming online uh very shortly actually. So um thanks for everything they do. Um on um on the 25th I attended a mediation and I want to thank Matt, Dave especially and Mary and Ray for their
perseverance at that event. Um Raj and I met on the 27th later in the evening with Chief Alvarez and a group of fire officers to just chat. On the 29th um I officiated at a wedding. I lost count. I don't think I've ever done
this many weddings. I have to see in and see what I'm up to this year so far. And uh that's kind of all I have. Um welcome everyone back after summer and uh we've got a lot to do this fall. So we'll be digging into it and look for everyone to get it done.
>> Mr. Mayor Madigan. >> All right. The uh Zabriski cleanup. That's fantastic. >> So I'm going to go over there and check out the grounds. And I also as one other announcement. We're wrapping up the centennial calendar. We expect to
pretty much have it buttoned down and finished in a couple of weeks with two exceptions. One, a photograph of the township committee. And two, a photograph of our police. We're going to be doing schools this week. So, looking
forward to that. So, governing body members, the plan is to get a picture in the uh dining area with the a risky house. So time we may want to think about
availability when we want to do that. >> If I could add something mayor Tom also you will have a date with regard to the cemetery tour at White Coffee Reform Church and going to combine it with Union Cemetery. So there'll be a presentation. We're thinking around the
Halloween time, you know, add a little spookiness to the cemetery tour, but there's a ton of history there and I think it'll fit right in. with the history of the town. I just have two additional items. First off, vegetative waste collection started
again this week. >> That does not mean grass. It's just sticks and branches. Um and can't believe it's September already, but next Thursday is September 11th. Our 911 ceremony will begin at 6:30 at
company number one. >> If I might add to that, the guest speaker >> uh this year at the 911 service, his name is Brian Clark. He was one of only a handful of survivors in tower 2, second tower that was hit. He was above
where the plane hit and survived. And he's going to be the guest speaker again. It's 6:30. Fire company number one. Thank you, I really should have remembered that. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you. Anyone else?
>> Dave. >> Yep. >> Uh, last Thursday 28 512 p.m. Share housing decided to challenge our housing elements. obvious. >> Did they challenge everybody because I
saw a list of towns but I couldn't tell >> pretty much I don't know if it was everybody but but a lot of their I'll go through a bit they had a letter brief and also report from their professional His was very general was just kind of
laying out what the criteria was. There's got some specifics as to what it was still kind of general. So procedurally, here's what happens to what we need to do. Technically, the program gets to review their challenge
and say whether satisfied. They could say no and our plan's fine. Do I think that's going to happen? Probably not. But that could that procedurally could happen. Most likely they're going to say they met or somehow qualified with their
objections, their challenge and we'll go into settlement or mediation similar to what we did for the obligation. We'll meet with the retired judge call someone will be there. Uh our people
will be there. The mayor, myself, our planner McManis and some of the they're claiming don't satisfy under ground four without going some specifics of it. I did speak to Beth today. Um she says
there's some documentation that they probably are asking for that we can give them very easily. Some of it's going to come down to some of the densities that we proposed, but it's going to go through another mediation where we'll be meeting probably at least more than once
because the first time it's going to be trying to figure out what they're saying to be honest with you. It wasn't that clear in their letter. I'm hearing they're going to start coming up Monday.
So, I don't think we'll get ours. Maybe they'll go in alphabetical order. >> Yeah, they always did. So, it's great. We went last >> chance of that. So, which maybe better because it'll give us a little more time to figure out exactly what they're thinking.
>> They never get tired. >> But again, timing wise, so this process really can go to the end of the calendar year. That's when the plans have to be put in place. They have to be agreed upon. If you don't agree during the mediation or settlement, it goes to
session and then another body looks at it and decides what it is that your plan needs to look like. But by the end of December, your plan has to be in place so you can put together your ordinances in the new year. But I'll keep you informed. >> That's still seem that's a short window
for all the towns that seem to be involved. >> Very short. And that's why it's surprising how many they actually did. >> But also it's not izing that my challenges from what I can tell are not that specific. They kind of just threw
it out there. So, we'll see what happens. But Dave, just for clarification, because I'm a little confused, I thought we just went through all these processes, including mediation, arriving at a number. How you get there, it's not important as long as
you get a number. And now they get a second bite at the apple. >> Well, >> how does that work? >> The number set. the number is set. As Matt just said, that was the first process. Determine what your current need, your prospective needs were. That was just a number. Now, you're putting
together your plan and that's what you had to submit. You uh the plan board had to approve. you guys endorsed it and that's what they get to review see what it means to qualifications. Yes. And here's really important problem. This is
why we're involved in this litigation as well. We never could take part any municipalities in the rules. All these rules were set by the state >> governing body and municipalities didn't take part in any of those rules and that's part of our that's part of
our civil litigation going on here at the state. >> Correct. >> Um on the federal side, I just want to hit on that state litigation. a lot of motion. The state's really kind of slow moving it. The federal litigation we're involved in the state did file a motion to dismiss.
We're opposing it. Uh there should be some briefing the middle of this month, end of September with a date of October on that. No matter who wins or loses on that, it's probably not the worst thing for us.
most favorable body, >> right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So whe >> well it didn't get endorsed until July. >> Okay. So even more so they had one month
to review all these towns. So I think it's customary that they're just crazy. >> They're just throwing stuff up against the wall. >> There are specifics in each town that they've objected to. But it's, you know, remember the plan is where we determined
that we were going to not include some properties and include some properties. The plan was where we said we were going to take a vacant land adjustment. That was not included in the negotiations where we determined the number. So this is fair shares fight the apple now to
say we don't think you should take a vacant land or you're taking too much land >> you're taking too much land this is you know and something that came up out of this and I think I expressed to some of
you what's very interesting is that fair share housing in 2007 by the US not the New Jersey Supreme Court was deemed a friend of the court with regard to affordable housing and is exempt from
filing fees for any litigation and motions that they file in court. So when we file, you know, we filed our plan, we had to pay $250 to the court to file our plan. They are exempt when they go when they
go to file. So they're state has given them the ability to set the pace >> and in the letter brief that we had just to kind of follow that they did identify three municipalities in each category
they said vacant land was named as one of the so you know they did pick out a few they certainly looked very closely They aren't cookie cutter but to your point >> I don't think they could all
>> she prepared as far as scenarios >> and just to continue this a little longer we have time this flows from the court this really has not a lot to do with the legislature or the governor's office
>> that's not See that's what's interesting. So in our last we had a zoom meeting of the litigation group which I started municipalities in about 35 municipalities in the state and it was
really kind of brought out where both the legislators and the court point fingers at each other saying we're doing it because you told us to and that's what the legislature says about the court. The court says you make the laws and we're just now taking those and
applying them in this program. So they both point the finger at each other. Honestly, >> obviously the original came out of court, right? It's a constitutional constitutional right for fair housing going back to 85
case. >> But some of the rule making has changed over the years. Who's made it? Who's been responsible? And the short of it is they kind of point the finger at each other and So, who's telling who to do? >> They kind of say, "Well, if you don't
like it, look at the other." >> What about the governor's office? They thought he >> that created this creat and the most recent, you know, final amendment, the fourth round housing
amendment was signed off by the governor. Obviously legislature passed it, the governor signed off and they gave it over to the court and they get to the court administrator to make the rules which is another problem constitutionally when they had the right
to be making the rules and certainly the municipalities out and that's our argument federal court is that you know we were left out of this thing amendment. >> Anyone else? >> Because we live in New Jersey. >> I guess we'll take a motion to adjourn
the work session. >> Second. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. We are ajourned. >> We're adjourned.