recording in progress good evening welcome to the March 17th 2025 meeting of the arth Board of Health uh we celebrating something tonight also right St Patrick's stay for those of us who do thank you okay
uh please just one note here and that is the meeting um can be uh seen on Zoom so really from from home which is nice and that's started way back in covid days uh instructions for the
website uh I've had to get on all the details of actually call in or just watch it so let's start as usual with attendance when we start to my left Eric are you here here Mary present I'm here Ard Larry Here Charlie yes let's move
ahead with that that's great okay as usually we start with a public comment anyone like to come forward to a mic just introduce yourself any anyone welcome or even from home if they're zooming in for
sure good evening Mr chairman members of the board my name is Mark GRS I'm the director of inspectional services I oversee the health and the building department as you're probably well aware um today um to my left I have um Daniel serella and he is our new hire as the
health director for the town of yarmis and I thought I would bring him along and introduce him so um do you have anything to say sure I just like to say Hi and nice to meet the board uh looking forward to working with you I think we're hopefully going to start uh April 7th is what we're hoping for just waiting to get all the paperwork
finalized uh really looking forward to getting down here been public health uh just just hit 13 years last week so little bit of experience working uh city of Taunton uh town of Milford and currently in the city of Ador as a health director there so looking forward
to get down in the cape you excited to get started with you all right U just welcome thank you um contact me if you have any questions just to get this going for you all right that transition be my pleasure get to know everybody and get a little background on everybody too
as get going yeah absolutely anybody any questions welcome thank you welcome yes sir got got a tough act to follow yeah I've heard yeah and you can see we're a pretty friendly group here I don't think that act can be
followed okay all right thank you guys thank you for your time thank you and you find the meetings generally are okay anyone from home back there looking to speak or anyone here like to come forward public
comment okay guess guess not uh number two on your agenda is the Dy School nutrition it says and we have a Rooney Powers um from the Dennis Yarmouth Regional School District food and
beverage director so that's a a lot on your business card I don't usually use the beverage director part of just service direcor part of it well you brought some beverage with you bage okay so you know what you're doing yes so just for the records being
recorded and so on just introduce yourself sure my name is Rooney Powers I'm the food service director at the Dennis Yarmouth school district and I want to thank you for inviting me here tonight um any chance that I get to talk about
my program I'm very happy to do so um with bells on actually great exciting just to let you know we haven't had someone come in before at least in the last 10 years it's well overdue because you know I'm here to brag about what we do because what we do is um fantastic for our kids so um I'll just give you a
little bit of an overview of what our what programs we run in the district and and what we're trying to do for the kids as far as um health and nutrition um we run a uh federally funded program for the called the um National lunch national school lunch program and the
national school breakfast program both of these um programs are federally funded with a little bit of backend from the state they run direct they run it's a federal program but um with support from the state and the Department of Education um with that program we're
under a pretty good amount of rules and rs to try to keep um our school um lunches and breakfasts balanced and healthy and follow all the regulations that try to put a nutritious meal on every kid's plate every day so some of
those things um that are in control um on a daily basis also on a weekly basis um are things like um calories and saturated fats added sugars uh sodium levels um there's also different food
groups that we have to put on the plate every day we have to have fruits and vegetables on the plate every day we have to have grains on the whole grains on the plate every day we have to have a protein we have to offer um we have to offer milk every day on the plates um
those break down a little bit more specifically towards the um the grade level of of of the kids so in the elementary schools for example the um calorie count the calorie count at the um K
through five level is uh 500 to 650 calories um and it goes up as the grade levels go up in the middle school you're 600 700 calories and up into high school you're 750 to 850 calories a day um the saturated fat is has to be less than 10%
we have no foods with trans fat at all not allowed in the schools not allowed in any of our Foods any of our snacks um there's zero trans fat we don't have any fril lators so there's no frying going on everything we do is uh baked roasted
grilled um you know it steamed we have we use a lot of Steamers um for all of are fresh vegetables so there's no um there's no fried foods in in the schools at all sugars again um under 10% of the total calorie count and our sodium levels right now over the past few years
they've brought them down as um you know 10 years ago it was a little bit higher but they've put in a little bit more regulations on that sodium now knowing what the sodium count in Foods is outrageous and a lot of the stuff that we get in our Foods especially packaged foods and such so the sodium levels have
come down over the years and is still trying to get it down a little bit um but right now we're at about um 1100 migrs um of sodium per day so it's it's pretty good level um they're trying to get down to about a thousand so uh that should happen in a couple of years
they're going to try to reach a new sodium level standard for us um as far as the foods that go on the plate we also have to break that down per day and per week so we have to have a certain amount of fruits and vegetables offered every day and we have to have have a
total amount offered on a weekly basis that's the same with the amount of proteins the same with the amount of grains everything is broken down per day and broken down per week total um some examples of that um so start with the grains everything that we serve is whole
grain um all of our breads are whole grain all of our snacks are whole grain all of our breakfast foods are whole grain um there's no white bread in our in our district at all so and that that goes down to the um the bre items as well so all of the pancakes the waffles
the French toast that we serve it's all whole grain product made specifically for schools so these are the things that you're not going to find on the shelves in the supermarket they're made specifically for schools for um for all the all these calorie counts all the low
sodium all the low sugars all that and the whole grain content um that we given the kids on a daily basis so even the even this the cereal that we serve in schools you don't find it on the on the Shelf at Stop and Shop it's not there so it's all um low sugar and whole grain
cereals that we serve so it might say Cinnamon Toast Crunch on it but ours is not what you get on the Shelf at Stop and Shop it's made specifically for schools to meet these standards so the kids will go oh I had Cinnamon Toast Crunch for breakfast this morning it's
not what mom got at Stop and Shop yesterday so it's a little bit it's a little bit healthier option but you know we still have to feed the kids and they still want to be able to see a product that they're familiar with and enjoy so we we fake them out a little bit on on the healthy side of things um with some
of the packaging but um everything that we serve even even the chips we don't have anything fried chips we don't have any trans fat stuff like that everything is baked so anything that's um a lay a baked chip it's a baked lowfat chip um you might find a Dorito on a kids's
plate on a Friday special it's not the Doritos that come off the shelf in the sto in the in the schools it's a whole grain baked product lowfat so um they're completely different products to meet these standards um as far as um the meats go
and proteins we have a variety of different proteins that we serve at school we do chicken we do beef we do pork we do fish um every everything's on the plate at all levels from K all the way up to 12 so we try to do a variety of of different proteins keep it
interesting but you know between all of us we know chicken nuggets will always roll the day so it doesn't matter if they're in the first grade or they're in the 12th grade a chicken nuggets going to rule the day but we don't fry the chicken nuggets and any coating that is
on any products like that whether it be the chicken nuggets or a chicken sandwich all the all the Coatings um are also whole grain they can't be a regular based um um flow on any of those Coatings at all that covers anything so
um um that's a different product that you're going to get in the out of the U grocery store as well so it's different with us again meeting the standards as far as fruits and vegetables go this is where I get a little bit excited um we we have to put a whole bunch of stuff on
the plate every single day but we also have to break it down per um category of vegetable so we have five categories of vegetables and from those vegetables we have to make sure that we offer them through the week whether it be I'll give you a few examples um a dark green vegetable is one of the
categories um and some of the things that we serve on a daily basis um make available on a weekly basis um arugula uh bok choy broccoli um Roma lettuce kale spinach Swiss jard uh Water Crest
all these all these things we you will see in our schools um so that's one category that you have to see throughout the week at some point in every level of school uh the red and orange category which is typically carrots or tomatoes but we also throw in pumpkins we throw
in butternut squash we throw in Winter squash we throw in red peppers and sweet potatoes um all th all those vegetables run in that category so you'll see those show up on our menus as well and offerings um we have to provide a legume category so any type of beans um we do
black beans we do uh gabano beans we do white beans kidney beans we serve lentils we serve navy beans and we serve white beans um so we're out there with with all of that too trying to get the kids to eat that and that
one's been a work in progress but they actually every single Friday we make a chickpea salad and we can't keep it in stock anymore because they tried it and they're like huh now they like it now they want it every single Friday so um they they try the food and they're
actually really really enjoying them um so the the beans have um been a been a b Plus for us um the other categories that you'll see on the menus are a starchy category which is um corn and um
plantains we we have on our menus all the time uh and any type of potato or yam or something like that in the starchy category and then there's an an open other con other um category which is your asparagus or avocados bean sprouts uh cabbage cauliflower cukes
green beans olives radishes leaks mushroom zook all of that you'll see in all of our schools so that's not just at the high school that goes to the elementary school as well and all these kids are trying these um fruits and vegetables every day because of the
amount of um fresh produce that I'm I'm able to get right now um a couple of years ago I said they're not getting enough on their plate I want them to try more things so a few years ago we implemented over at the high school a fresh fruit um fruit and vegetable bar
so if the kids come in and get a meal whether they get the hot entree or the wrap option or the soup and salad option whatever they can go over to the produce um bar and help themselves to as much fresh produce as they want so there's like at the high school today they there
was 12 different things varieties of fruit and vegetables on there and the kids can help themselves to as much as they like um radishes kiwi all different varieties of Peppers blueberries they had blackberries there this week um and then a whole bunch of hand fruits and
the plums and the peaches and the pears and all that stuff's there on a regular bases snow peas um anything you can imagine we put on that bar and it disappears and we can't keep it in stock we can't keep up with it so we're refilling it after every single lunch the kids come in they empty it so
they're eating so much great healthy fresh food it's um it's really to be I mean it's Bravo to the kids I we're putting it there but they're the ones that are eating it and taking it and really want it um we have a lot of athletes in the in the district and all
those kids eat really healthy and they want to eat healthy and we they to provide it for them and I'm really really happy that we can do that so because it was a success at the high school we put it down at the middle school we have it in the elementary schools so a little less choice so a
little kids don't have you know 15 choices but there'll be eight choices of different fresh uh fruits and vegetables there and it rotates every single week we get fresh deliveries of of U produce on a weekly basis and a lot of days on a
daily basis so um the the amount of pro product that we're putting out there and the variety for the kids to try is um is fantastic so you know our our plates look great they're colorful they're healthy and I think we're really really
doing a great job um with the nutrition and um keeping our kids uh ready ready to go to make good choices cuz we're teaching them we're teaching them young but we treat our cafeteria as a classroom as well so there's you know they learn when they come in when
they're little their their tastes are simple um and the choices we put in front of them are a little more simple for the 5-year-olds the little kids um but then as they grow the tastes grow our menus grow the options grow by the time they get to the high school they're
eating uh today there was a um they have two homemade soups so we have a great chef over at the high school and she makes two homemade soups every single day is fantastic so today was a comb beef and cabbage soup actually and a um
a zupa Tana soup over there today and you know they're eating you know chicken marsala by the time they get to the high school so those those are the options so it start starts out chicken nuggets and ends up at chicken masala and the the tastes grow and we try to to introduce new foods to them as they grow along and
grow so we use our cafeteria also as uh as a learning space so couldn't be prouder I don't know if that's what you were looking for today but I'd be happy to answer any questions if you have any I have some but I I think that we need to come and eat at school because yes
you do it's so good it's so good there everyone comes in is like are you kidding me this is school launch it's not what we think of as school lunch can I go back to school it's so good yeah we do a great job you can come in anytime and get lunch it's five bucks no B do
you um Source any of your uh say fish or produce in the summer locally uh most of our produce um we have big amounts of produce that come in but most of our produce we get right here from Ring Brothers they're our main supplier on the cape for our produce um as far as
fish goes um that one's a tough one um because it's very expensive right and um it's hard we we serve 3,000 kids every day so that's hard to provide um a massive amounts of fresh fish to those
kids every day now I love that you brought this up because I'm right now going to be working with a local fish vendor to bring in local fish for us um we had to you know figure a few things out and we have a you know we have a few
things to work out but um I think that pretty soon you will be seeing probably at the high school to start um a lot of local fish fresh fish on our menu I mean it's Cap Cod we got to do it yeah so overall it probably is more
expensive it's very expensive I mean you know if you just go to the the fish market and and get fish for yourself how much it costs can you imagine buying that for a thousand people but I mean just your menu in general the menu in general is um well here's the thing we um we have a a program too that's called
um the um DOD part um program which is actually the Department of Defense so the USDA actually the Department of Defense provides all the food for all the bases in the country for all the service service people um so they deal with all the food Department of Defense
so with that Federal program um depending on if we if you choose to participate which of course I do um they will give you a certain amount of free um produce if you participate in this and it depends on your participation in
the prior year so we served this many meals last year so they're going to like okay we're going to allow you to have you know $100,000 worth of fresh produce and that saves us a lot of money so we we have a lot of programs like that that work as
as Grant programs that bring us in a lot of fresh produce how many districts uh participate in this state do you know in the state most most districts in the state participate in the national school lunch program some private schools don't
um they choose I mean Sturgis does not I mean those kids go out they don't have a cafeteria so it's mostly private schools um St Pas School actually has our staff in the in the St Pas school so we we partner with them and um our staff is in
the St P school so our program is in there as well so that works and the last question um How likely is it that you'll be able to continue this wonderful program if some of the these agencies are being dismantled well thank you for that very very important question was
right now we have free breakfast and lunch for all the kids um we participate in two programs that make that happen or there's two avenues that make that happen we run a c program which is the community eligibility program provision
excuse me Community eligibility provision which if you reach a certain threshold of qualifying free free kids um what used to be a qualifying number um which we have a very large number in in the in the Two Towns
combined if you meet that threshold you can participate in this program and it gives you free meals for the entire District we are in that program um but the state of Massachusetts last year codified a a bill that said we are going to make free meals in the state of
Massachusetts we want the kids to eat for free we saw what it did during Co the PTI disspation went through the roof all these kids are kind of sliding through the cracks that couldn't quite get a free lunch but couldn't quite afford to pay for a free a full price lunch sliding through the cracks now all
of a sudden they have a free meal they're coming in and they're eating and they saw what that did and the state of Massachusetts stepped up and said we will cover any costs of that aren't covered by the federal federal government so Massachusetts is covering
the balance on that so right now um and I hate to I don't know I don't want to no go ahead go ahead because I'm about to so I I don't I don't want to you know anticipate something that may not
happen or may may happen but right now what's being tossed around is that thres threshold for the C program is going to go from here to here so they're gon to say oh you know your your town needs to
be 80% free kids to be able to get this program instead of 60% or you know whatever number they're going to come up with um I don't know will we meet that I feel as though if they if they bring it to a certain number we'll still meet it
here in uh Dy so I don't see the free meals going away at this point the administration I mean cut back $1 billion from programs to support schools with food correct includ the governor we
lost $12 million yeah which may be affecting so the $12 million was for a specific program that that um brought fresh fruits and vegetables and local goods from local farms into the schools okay so those people that participate in
that we do not participate in that program so it won't affect us directly but the the um school districts and and um food pantries that participate in that program you know grant program they
would go out and buy the fresh fruits and vegetables from the local farms they'll get them from all the local farmers they'll get their produce from them they'll get their their Dairy from them they'll get their meats from them and um all their fresh fruits and vegetables and that helped that helped
them bring in all those great products into their schools and was offered to their kids that's that's gone away so not only does it hurt the schools the schools and the kids eating those those um those meals but it's going to hurt those Farmers as well
because now no one's going to buy that product from them and it's going to sit there so that's a double edge ouch um for that one and it's a shame and I don't want to get into politics but it's a shame to change the
theme what precautions are taking for the K to5 uh kids who have food allergies food allergies any any child that comes into the school has to fill out a a health form and with a nurse any allergies that they have or any um food
um difficulties um they have to um go through the nurse so the nurse will bring us down the slip and say Susie Smith has an allergy to strawberries this one has a peanut allergy this kid is um a diabetic we have to pay
attention to um this child has celiacs um so we we take care of all those kids really really well so every single school will have a list of those kids the ma managers in the cafeterias will get to know those children oneon-one to
their face they will know Susie they'll know Timmy and they know what they can eat and they know what they can't eat um we make special meals every day in every school for a variety of kids for a variety of reasons um we have kids that come in at the high school and they're silc kid and we have uh you know we have
a whole bunch gluten-free products that we offer those kids and take care of them on on a daily basis um same you know we have we have a couple of really different allergies we have a you know sesame seed allergy we have a Cel seed allergy um yeah really crazy stuff right
I've never had a Cel seed allergy before and I've been doing this for a long time um but it's in a lot of salad dressings so um you know we watch that and we we know what uh what that child needs and we make sure that we take care of that so we're we're aware of all the kids that have special special needs when it
comes to food great work yeah thank you GL you mentioned saturated fat I came across an article last week and this was in the Journal of American Medical Association and it had to do with butter um and apparently there was a study that just finished up was over 30
years they followed 200,000 people and the people who were eating a lot of butter actually had much higher rates of cancer and cardiovascular disease interesting so uh you're doing the right thing interesting yeah we don't we don't use a whole lot of butter I say most of
our vegetables that come in um are steamed they're not fried they're not or or we we roast you know so we have a lot of but there's there's not a lot of butter in our products no yeah there there was discussion in about plant-based oils you know there was whether it's canola or Olive or soybean
there's Alternatives that seemed that the group that did better were using using the canola oil interesting olive oil yeah the Mediterranean tiet right fresh clean eating so we do our very best at at Dy and I'm I'm proud of the
program I'm proud of what we're putting in front of the kids every day I'm proud of the choices that they have I mean any day at the high school um they'll be literally not exaggerating 30 choices for the kids to choose from 25 to 30
choices they can come in and have uh four or five hot Entre to choose from they'll have a a sandwich and soup combination to choose from they'll have we have wraps we do beastro boxes that are vegetarian with hummus and all kinds of different veggies and and P Breads
and um we do parfaits with granola and and yogurt and uh smoothies we do all kinds of smoothies the kids love the smoothies um and again great healthy stuff and the options are endless and you never going to find a kid that's going to come in and say there wasn't
anything good for me I didn't like anything there wasn't anything for me to choose from because there's a ton in every at every level yeah where does the unused food go what's that where does the unused food go if still great question um the unused food um there's
very little of that we're very good at knowing what we're going to use and anything that can be used a second day is used a second day um but as far as um anything going in the trash it's minimal
it really is minimal at every level of the school we know how much salad we're going to serve every day cuz we serve that same amount of salad every day so we're not going to put an extra case on you know in in toss it into the Caesar salad we know it's going to be two and a
half cases of lettuce and we come right down to it and that happens in all the schools and that's just been trialing ever through the years but we keep we keep great records of you know on this day this is how much we used on this day was how much we used so they can reference back and say oh yeah we went
through nine cases of of of car carots I'm going to cook nine cases of carrots um but again if we can reserve something the next day or repurpose it the next day um we most certainly do that um a lot of if we have if we're cooking the fresh green beans and we have you know a
handful of fresh green beans left at the end of the day they're going to go into the soup the next day so we turn them into something else just as good striving to lower the use of uh disposable plastic in town uh um how
does it apply to the cafeteria in sense of disposable plastic that would be very very difficult for us to do to have real um silverware as you would in the in the cafeteria every kid grabs a fork just
about um so we we do use a good amount of it I mean that's just nature of the Beast how about other things than civilware um trays we we wash our trays um we do have from time to time we have throw we have uh disposable trays
they're green product um but as far as the silare that is that is plastic yeah you want to ask straws you want to ask the straw question straw I'll be Qui student feedback generally positive uh feedback is always
yes you can't say always CU perfect is not a thing but um but yes we really have a great response from our parents um from the teachers friend from the kids they come up and say that was so good they want more you know they come up and say I want more um and the kids
again if they go out and they have their if they have eaten all their meal and they come up with an empty tray we say please help yourself to all this produce please take another piece of fruit you know then we're not going to give them n two more slices of pizza that's not how it goes but we will we'll offer them as
much fresh fruits and and in U you know fresh fruits and vegetables as they want fill your plate back up go for it and again for free how much time is allocated for for meals a half an hour half an hour so the kids come in and they have a half an hour we get um
most of the schools um are on a you know it's 11:30 12 12:31 um and the kids will get through the lunch line I'm my my time is we don't have a kid standing in the line for more than 10 minutes so and it's
usually less than that like that's maxed out at the high school or the new the new Middle School those lines are long there a thousand kids in that school um so um the lines are lines are long but we moveing through really fast my staff is amazing they're they're quick they
know what they're doing they're efficient and um they treat every kid with respect and they know them by name and they know what they want and I know what you want today and um it's terrific so the kids move through the line really quickly um so they have the last kid in
line will still have 20 minutes to eat what about the uh teachers and other staff in sense of some nutrition during the day what happens say that again I'm sorry just about teachers and staff I mean they must they eat in the cafeteria they need to eat dur the day teachers eat in the cafeteria if you go over to
the Middle School there'll be a line of teachers at the salad bar we have a a phenomenal salad bar um it's going to blow any salad bar away that you come across in this part of the state I'm going to say this part of the state because it's that good um varieties of different salads that are all homemade
right there so the salad bar at the at the middle school there's a line every day so as far as kids and this will give you a great example off the salad bar next to the cheeseburgers or the um you
know the pasta dish the salad bar line we will serve 150 kids off the salad bar every day at the middle school that's great choose the salad bar over the other items so it's a huge success and the teachers come down they can't get
enough of that so um yeah it's terrific and over at the high school as well and at the middle schools they come down and eat too at Ezra Baker we have a salad bar at Ezra Baker as well as long as it as um along with um the freshen fruits that the excuse me the vegetables and
stuff that we offer we have a salad bar at the Ezra baker school so Ezra Baker and the Middle School both have salad bars imagine the diet of the students the summer is quite different with the reading at home well I get I you want to get me started on that I I was just
saying something to um a colleague um that Summer's everyone looks forward to summer I don't look forward to Summer um I like the weather but all these kids go home and they don't have a meal they don't have two meals so for 10
months they come in and they get breakfast and they get lunch with us and they get a great meal with fresh fruits and vegetables and all this stuff and they go home and a lot of nights there's no dinner and then Here
Comes Here Comes the summer and they don't get those two meals and the and the cabinets are bare and the fridges are slim and Summer's hard for a lot of families because they depend on the meals from school to help
feed their kids and come summertime how do they feed their kids you know um so it's it's difficult for me we do have a wonderful summer program that we have out there I try to reach as many kids as we can um
right now we have um worked with the Yarmouth recck department and the Dennis recck Department over at flax Pond we feed all the kids at flax Pond every day for free we feed all the kids at the Johnny Kelly Park for free um we we feed
the Boy Scouts the scouts now is this we we feed the scouts for free over at Camp greo um we feed all of our dayc carees in our schools all those kids are taken care of during the summer um all the school um all the actual school students
the kids that are there for learning for summer school all those kids will will feed um and then we have an open property over at the high school where you can come in and you can get a free meal you can come off the street you don't have to be a member of our school dist District you can be you know
Grandma's babysitting some kids and can come over and play on the playground for a little while and and go over and get a free meal from us every single day well Monday through Friday so you can come and get a free meal from us uh 18 and under and we will feed you every single day so there are there are programs out
there we also um take care of the kids over at Waypoint during the summer um during the school year too we provide their food um so we're trying we try to reach as many as we can I wish we could do more because there's there's kids that can't
get to us so um that that's a little bit of a personal you know ouch for me I wish I could have a food truck and just drive around and feed all the kids every summer so maybe someday only thing I can say is thank you for your service well thank you very
much thank you for your service thank you very much great education for us and for the people listening in tonight thank you yeah yeah my my pleasure so if you hav have any questions for L one question shoot um all the other questions were covered well but um I
know when you got into dark green vegetables are these students actually given any formal instruction on good nutrition at any point well they the there is a uh they do have they do have health classes and and nutrition is part of those Health classes so does that
spill over into the cafeteria a little bit um there's a new project going on at the high school right now that's very exciting they're putting in um some Community Gardens over there I don't know if you've heard about that yet um maybe I wasn't supposed to spill that uh oh um so there's going to be a community
garden over at the high school and they're going to be growing all kinds of things and we're going to bring bringing that into the cafeteria and and uh serving it in the cafeteria turning into different foods so we'll um we will uh promote promote that and say hey this is
grown right here and we got some aquapods coming into the cafeteria so the kids can actually see what's what's being grown and we'll have some herb gardens and stuff growing into those aquapods that uh that we're bringing in too and those rotate really quick and those you know um so they're going to be
feeding the cafeteria all the fresh herbs so it it's it's terrific so you know we're we're doing good things and we're being very inclusive with our kids too um we have one one day a month that we do a a meal from a different country
so last last month we had Puerto Rico and we did an a traditional Puerto Rican meal um this week we're do this month we're doing uh Cuba and so we have uh food from from Cuba coming in and we're putting together a nice Cuban meal um and from from uh the elementary school
all the way up to the high school so uh inclusion these kids were coming in last month I went out and how's your meal how's your meal the kids just chowing a plantain and going this tastes like my house so um yeah we wanted to we want
get hungry just listening to you so so uh proud of the program and um you should be too yeah definitely are thank you thank you thank you okay next item on the agenda is number three and that's Cape Cod mosquito control Barry you want to make
an introduction perhaps here uh yeah I reached out to um actually I was at 4C's for the uh science part of it and I ran into to Gabby and just got talking to her and I know that coming up it's going to be springtime pretty soon and
mosquitoes are very abundant here on the cape and I see your trucks out all the time and she was very happy to come out to uh give us a little spew on the mosquito control here on Cape Cod so nice to see you again thanks for inviting me uh my name is
Gabrielle skolski everybody calls me gabby I'm an entomologist and I'm the superintendent at Cape Cod mosquito control project and I was just going to give you a little bit of an overview of what we do a little bit of what we do in Yarmouth were a little different than the mosquito control projects off cape
and we get a lot of calls from people who've moved here or visiting here from off Cape that want trucks to go by and spray for mosquitoes we don't do any of that here on Cape Cod no spraying for adult mosquitoes here we're lucky because of the habitat and the disease situation here that we can do that so
anyway Cape Cod mosquito control we are mandated to control mosquito populations in all 15 towns in barnville County we are m i guess a state agency we're paid for through our towns through local Aid that comes from the state and then comes
into our um budget um so yes we're one of 10 districts across the state we're the first organized Mosquito Control in the Commonwealth Cape Cod mosquito control was established back in
1930 a lot of the businesses got together and wanted people to spend a little more time and money on Cape Cod and so that's what you see across the Seaboard is that the early mosquito control districts were all the coastal districts and a lot of it is because of the salt marsh
mosquitoes um so we're funded by all 15 towns we have five Commissioners a board of local people who sit above us one representing the town managers one representing the local um elected officials the town councilors or Boards of Selectmen and three at large members
um we have mon monthly public meetings that nobody really attends but anybody is welcome welcome their public meetings um we have 27 full-time yearound staff working at the mosquito control district we are in charge of mosquito control in
all 15 towns and like I said we're not driving around trucks we are people with boots on the ground in the swamps and it's every day all year long doing the work so it's it's very labor intensive work ah just to remind everybody the
life cycle of a mosquito mosquitoes have complete metamorphosis I'm an entomologist so I had to at least have one bug picture in here um mosquitoes lay their eggs on around standing water the larvae develop in standing water the pupa are in standing water as they're
going through metamorphosis and then you see the flying adults hopefully not too many on Cape Cod we're working hard um out there to make sure I think a lot of times just education reminding people that just going around their yard emptying out those containers that are holding water after the rain does a lot
to control the mosquito populations just around their yard in the evening those mosquitoes don't fly very far that lay their eggs in those containers and I think sometimes there's a disconnect people see the stuff running wiggling around in the water they don't connect it necessarily to those adults that are out there biting them so you can do your
own mosquito control in your yard just by emptying any containers after the rain um and we're coming up on mosquito season it's early yet but in a month we're going to switch over our operations to control mosquitoes because those mosquitoes will be starting to develop in the water as soon as the
water temperatures hit 50° in this area the mosquitoes start going further through their development um we use an integrated mosquito management approach to controlling mosquitoes on Cape Cod we control mosquitoes when they're in their developmental stages by the time they're
adults it's too late they're already biting people right that's what we don't want to get to we use water management so this time of year our crews are out cleaning out ditches opening up pipes creating access paths so we can get into do this type of Maintenance mosquitoes develop in standing water if there are
fish in the water if the water's running no problem and you can imagine the way Cape cot has developed there are a lot of ways that water used to run that are now roads and houses and so we help keep that water running ways that it can get around all of that so that's what we're
doing October through April and in April probably a month from now we'll be switching over to our laral surveillance and larva side applications Crews will be out like you can see in that picture with somebody they're out there scooping taking a scoop of water seeing if they're mosquitoes in that water and if
those mosquitoes are found in the water at levels where we need to control them they're using a larva side from the most part what we use is a bacteria basilensis aenis or bti it's very specific for mosquitoes mosquito larva are filter feeders when we put that
bacteria in the water the mosquitoes pick it up with their little hairs on the laral head and they feed on those the bacteria the bacteria creates a toxin in the mosquitoes that kill the mosquito larvae very effective it's only around in the
environment for about 48 Hours where it's active so good it's not building up in the environment um job security because you have to keep going out and applying it when you find the mosquitoes developing so that's what we're doing for control
we do a lot of Education we get about 3 00 calls every summer from citizens residents in barnville County who are having a mosquito issue when you give us a call we send a crew out to look around you to see where those mosquitoes are coming from again we're not going to
spray for adult mosquitoes but what we'll do is find the source of the mosquitoes and control them at the source whether it's opening up a ditch or a pipe or whether it's treating it with the larva side and adding it to our Maps is something that we need to check it's a more permanent approach to
Mosquito Control um and we're already being paid for so call us we're being paid for in your taxes um we're also doing adult mosquito surveillance we're looking at efficacy whether our program is working whether
we need to go into areas where we're finding mosquitoes and find where the problems are coming from we're also doing disease surveillance so that's going on all through the summer we start our adult surveillance in June um by the second or third week of June the State
Department of Public Health starts their arbovirus testing program so that mosquitoes are submitt being submitted weekly from um trap excuse me traps around Cape Cod including a trap site in Yarmouth to test for westn now virus and Eastern equin and
sephtis so just to give you an idea of all the places we are in the town of Yarmouth we've got a these are the red dots are all the work sites that our crews have been to for either water management or laral surveillance and if needed treatment since 2014 because I
figured 10 years um and what you can see are the ones maybe you can see it with the black dots those are the sites that we visited last year so there were 122 sites that have black dots in them those are the sites that my crew went to last year to check for mosquitoes or do water
management and that green star there is our trap site in Yarmouth where we're collecting mosquitoes weekly to test for Eastern sephtis and westn now virus where is that at oh I try not to
encourage people to ask that exact question because mosquitoes fly and I find that there's a tendency if I tell people where the traps are located other than I don't want any vandalism for my traps um I tend to find that people say oh so your trap was on Main Street it's
not on Main Street on Main Street and I live on Water Street so I don't have any problem mosquitoes fly so I tried to say that's our Yarmouth chap site but mosquitoes that is reflecting a potential for mosquitoes to have either of these diseases in the town of
Yarmouth we also have trap sites in Dennis that are like right across the line mosquitoes don't know Town Line so yeah so I usually don't give out that information it's in Yarmouth it's in South so the two diseases that we're concerned with in the Commonwealth Massachusetts the state
department is tested for on a weekly basis throughout the summer one is Easter NCoin and sephtis um both of these diseases have the same sort of disease cycle the mosquito bites a bird that has this disease in the bird picks up the disease and the natural cycle is
for that mosquito to then bite another bird and it Cycles in the bird population Easter and sephtis West nairus they're both the same way they both cycle in the bird populations every so often a mosquito that bites both birds and mammals will bring the disease
into the human population with eastery quantis I'm sure people have read about it it it's a very serious disease um with a high mortality rate for anybody who gets it and shows symptoms for it um
with Eastern quantis the vectors that that are amplifying the disease in the bird population mainly feed on birds so you don't see it getting into the human population or mammal population Quine and sephtis or the horse population or
any other animals as often as you see it in Birds that's the cycle that's the the mosquito we've got about 40 different no we've got about 25 different species of mosquitoes here on Cape Cod some of them are able to transmit certain diseases some of them aren't and the one that
transmits and amplifies that disease that culto melanur that you're seeing on that diagram bites birds so it's very unlikely or less likely that will get into the mammal population um with westn now
virus so the next slide with westn now virus the mosquito that is picking it up from the birds bites Mimms too so it's much more likely that people are being exposed to westn now virus which is a much less serious disease most people
who get westn now virus don't show symptoms there's a percentage that have like a summer flu or whatever type symptoms um there is a segment of the population that have severe symptoms from westn now virus um and there are people who've
died from westn virus in um they had an outbreak in Arizona a couple years ago where they had over 100 people in a county pass away from westn now virus so it's not that it's not a disease that you need to be concerned with it is a disease that people will be most likely exposed to the mosquitoes that carry
West now virus are the mosquitoes that lay their eggs in man-made containers those are the ones that I'm reminding people go out to your backyard go around your house clean out your gutters cuz any standing water those mosquitoes will lay their eggs in these mosquitos that transmit westn virus the clex mosquitoes
um in our area they don't fly very far so if you've got those mosquitoes they're out at dusk they're coming from your yard or everybody tells me it's their neighbor's yard um but just going around and emptying those containers will reduce your risk of being um bitten
by one of these mosquitoes um so last year just to give you an idea of how many mosquitoes we collecting in the town of Yarmouth and sending in last year we collected over 3,000 adult mosquitoes in our traps that we had set um in Yarmouth and we sent in out of
those 26 samples were submitted for testing each sample is five to 50 mosquitoes it's the same species collected at the same site um we had zero comeb back positive for Eastern ecoin and sephtis and last year we had three samp that were positive for westn now
virus um and this just gives you an idea over time we do tend to see both diseases in our area um but not necessarily in high numbers so I guess what I remind people of is that mosquitoes might be carrying
disease even if you're not reading about in the paper even if it's never good to be bitten by mosquitoes um the state Department of Public Health updates maps on a on a weekly basis or more frequently if necessary during the summertime you can
click on your town and see what the risk level is for transmission of either of these diseases in your town so this is the map from October 30th so the end of the season and you can see that a lot of our towns are listed as remote for
transmission of Eastern inin and sephtis um provinc toown had a couple positive pools of mosquitoes um for Eastern sephtis this year so you can see that provinc toown is the only town that has a more increased risk really the we have low risk in some of those Towns at light
blue because of historic um positive samples and then this is the uh end of the season map for West now virus like I said in Yarmouth we had three pools of mosquitoes come back positive for westn virus you can see that we were at
increased risk for transmission of westnile virus in our area in the mid Cape to Upper cape and that you can see how that was spread across the state last summer um it's all dependent on weather really people this time of year tend to ask me what do you think the season's going to be like I don't know
it's really raining today but is it's been so dry it's just going to depend on whether there's standing water and how many mosquitoes what kind of habitat we have out there um always remind people about personal protection me and the um tick
education folks are out there reminding people that it's never good to be bitten by any of these insects that might be carrying disease or ticks that are carrying disease um with mosquitoes you can again remove standing water on your property don't create habitat for them to develop in um the mosquitoes that
transmit disease tend to be out From Dusk to Dawn so curtailing activities if you have disease in your area at those times if you're outside and mosquito are biting you put on some repellent there are EPA EPA registered repellants you
should look at the label read the label I know people don't even read the label of the bread that they're eating but you should read the label of the products you're using the repellants it should have an EPA registration number on it and use it by label that EPA registration number is telling you that
it's both safe to use on your skin and effective against things biting you um yeah and that's us anybody can call us if they have any questions or if they're having a mosquito issue things are
constantly changing in our area we live on the coast so um there are going to be mosquitoes in some places that we're not expecting that my crew is not going to on a routine basis so we welcome calls so we can track down those mosquito
problems I got a quick question so my house house I take care of all the water and stain water um bat houses I've heard is that yes no okay so I love bats my mom studied
bats um the studies that you read about bats eating hundreds or thousands of mosquitoes those were done in lab in a lab where all those bats were offered were mosquitoes they had to eat a lot of mosquitoes to get protein for flight in
reality bats are most likely eating the big beetles that you see flying around at night or something else a larger prey Source because of the amount of energy that they need I love bats anybody should be protecting bats our poor bats have had disease running through their populations their populations are on the
decline so I'm bat positive but they're not really helping us with mosquitoes sorry had to ask how long do these lava take to develop in standing water oh um so it depends on a couple things it
depends on the temperature in the middle and it depends on the species again we have 25 different species of mosquitoes some of them over Winter is larvae so they are mosquitoes that were eggs that were laid in the fall and they will not hatch until summertime and they're able
to have the water freeze around them they have antifreeze in their cells and they will live so those those will live a long time as the larval stage in the salt marshes it gets really hot and it dries down quickly in the summertime one week and they're flying they hatch they
and it's drying down so I think that that's you know evolved that way so they have to be quick and in freshwater habitats even in the summertime in the middle of summer you could have seven days as long as you're going around your yard once a week to check for mosquitoes you're good now these signs we see
around are they is that your organization you see these signs that say mosquito control you know they're like are they just is that a commercial compan there are many companies that are out there right now that are putting no we the green trucks with State plates on
them you don't put these signs out no no those are commercial companies mostly being hired to apply product either as a barrier spray or to K adult mosquitoes on contact okay yeah that's not us is the population growing or being
reduced other with mosquito yeah what's happening over a period of time of years now okay so that's a great question I've been at Cape Cod mosquito control for over 30 years and what I see is mostly
it's a seasonal issue it's all about the rainfall the temperatures in the summertime whether you can have higher or lower mosquito populations but what I have seen over my time here is a change in species so where as one of the species that we're most concerned with
here on the cape not because of disease but because of the actual impact that it has on people's ability to be outside are saltwash saltwater mosquitoes The Saltwater species of mosquitoes will fly up to five miles for a blood source and they bite you all day long they're not
out at dusk it's not a couple of them it's a lot of them when they do end up hatching um and what I've seen over the time that I've been at mosquito control is we've switched from a northern salt Mar species to now it's mixed with the southern salt Mar species when I first
came here that southern Sal our species I barely saw it maybe one I'd get in one location now it's all over Cape Cod they're they're both an issue so it it's really seasonal as to whether there's a bigger or smaller population of mosquitoes but what I'm seeing is shifts
in Po in the type of species that we're seeing probably from climate change probably from climate change yes are these um uh diseases um pathogenic to the birds that they in
are the birds so Easter quintis is not um it is to things like emus non-native Birds it is um oh the Emu Farms it was terrible um and things like pheasants things that aren't native to this area
but the other birds no um westn virus seems especially when it came into the country it was impacting the crows the Blue Jays the birds related to that um over over time those birds have been natural
immunity yeah yeah the population has changed so yeah with even with West narus you do see some mortality but it it's not correlated anymore with the level of West novaris in the area interesting yeah why do we why does it seem every year more cases are reported
like a Southeastern Massachusetts they seem to be a pocket like weham Carver that those areas for that those areas tend to have Triple E it's been historically found in those areas it's the habitat it's that mosquito species
that's that I talked about that's trans cycling it in the bird population and amplifying it they have large acidic swamps in those areas and that's where that type of mosquito lives it we have Cedar swamps in Yarmouth quite a few
actually um and that species of mosquito would be found there but they're much smaller so they're easy for us to access and get through now what um what role does do Cranberry Bogs play in in it do they affect the populations ofo so
active Cranberry Bogs no because they're running the water through it they don't want it to keep flooded um the bogs that are now not being actively farmed have become a concern it's
standing water sure so so yeah and there's a lot there are a lot of projects right now some in Yarmouth looking at restoring the Cranberry Bogs and we've been working closely with the organizations that are doing that um because if they're not
careful they can create a mosquito issue in the middle of a Housing Development or in somebody's neighborhood where a cranberry bog used to be so we've been trying to work with those organizations to make sure that they're not creating a problem [Music]
how do you sterilize mosquitoes I mean is a population is is some way of doing that to reduce the population oh um so they're doing so in the Florida Keys they're doing sterile releases of mosquitoes they it it's worked for other
insects like um probably not any insects you've heard of but um it's worked for other insects where you do a sterile male release and so there's the you release a bunch of mosquitoes that are male that are sterile and then they mate
and they don't reproduce um there's a lot of concern about something like that because nobody wants people to release mosquitoes anywhere anyway so it it's something that they've looked at there's also um a program with wakia which is
something that you can infect the mosquitoes with with which makes them unable to transmit diseases so they're still mosquitoes they're still out there biting people but they're not able to transmit disease that's been used in areas where there are diseases like Deni
and chickena and and large outbreaks of disease but there are no no sterile mosquitoes just want to get rid of them you can never get rid of them I get real excited talking about Hol metabolis uh metamorphosis so I love
it how how long is the adult life stage typically again okay it's seasonal right and it depends there are some species the species that transmit westn now virus they spend all of winter in the adult stage so they're adults from November to
April or whatever and they're going through their diapause hibernation um you have in the summertime most species about two weeks Cape cot is super dry super windy insects as enologist it's a little
disappointing but insects don't do very well on Cape Cod so maybe two weeks it's why you don't see a lot of dog heartworm in our area because those mosquitoes have to live a long time for the
heartworm to get out of the salivary out of the gut into the salivary gland they go through a lot of changes inside the mosquito they have to the mosquito has to live a long time so it's so in that way it's it's yeah we don't see a lot of and the temperature has to be much
pretty much you know 60 or above for consistent they have they really they have to live a long time weeks to be able to have the heartworm be infected so about two weeks which can be hard because people call our office they have
a mosquito problem and they want sprayed right away um I'm I'm going to come I'm going to our crew is going to get out there we have great employees they're going get out there they're going to find the source they're going to take care of the for source of the mosquitoes
and they're not going to be back but you're going to have mosquito for a week or two flying around biting you do you know of any studies taking place with predatory insects um don't know that there's
there's nothing that eats enough mosquitoes they look at um you can talk about things like dragonflies or they just don't eat enough to actually impact the population the only thing that really impacts a mosquito population as a predator fish fish are great if you
can get fish into where the mosquitoes are developing in their larval stage Elite hundreds of them but yeah no well and that's why we ditched so many marshes on Cape Cod yeah it um the ditches on Cape Cod are actually from
most of them are from before mosquito control was organized there were Works projects in place and they did they decided that they wanted to get get rid of all the mosquitoes and so that and there's a lot of Agriculture that made ditches over especially on the North side too for the salt marsh hay
yeah what's your message to the people listening in tonight about bird baths empty them clean them out once a week the birds make a mess anyway you probably if you have a bird bath you're probably they should be cleaned every day actually you're probably yeah
mosquito wise once a week but exactly the bird's he I would recomend really oh my gosh what about what about just circulating the water in the bird bath does that make well does it make a difference in terms of the mosquito okay so so if you can get the water moving
maybe but I also feel like there're the edges and there just clean the bird bath yeah the species will carry all kinds of organisms that are pathogenic to the birds as well so it's better to clean them every day yeah or at least dump
them and scrub the I I do that every gave my so mosquitoes do no good isn't that the one thing that Gandhi or was it the oh that is Lama that is the quote right yes that is the quote um no mosquitoes are out there to be make more
mosquitoes it's not on on the agenda here but what's the latest on our butterfly population anything you can tell us oh um quickly cuz it's not on the agenda yeah no there's nothing that I can quickly say about the butterfly
population I let my whole yard go to milkweed in the summertime because I love all the pollinate as soon as they bloom the pollinators the butterflies everything come in um yeah they're talking about and I'm not sure whether it's happened yet putting the Monarch on
the endangered species list yeah so I don't know if it's happened but if it hasn't happened yet it's close we have a few endangered butterflies on the cape PE I know this is off topic but for an entomologist what what's going on with the hummingbirds I used to have a lot of
hummingbirds and now it's population is I don't know my husband's the burder oh I'm not the bur I wonder just how much insecticides have to do with hummingbirds population oh I don't know I I found a way to get hummingbirds back
oh you did Oldtimer up in main told me heuse honey honey good yeah I guess excuse me I apologize I you know we're talking about repellents over the years that you know I work on diesel engines and all that
stuff my my whole life and uh A girlfriend of mine wondered why the mosquitoes were nuts when we were up at the house in Maine and I'd be out with a machine and they wouldn't touch me Old Gentleman up in Maine said it's
easy you just rub diesel fuel on your own and the back of your neck no I would never recommend that you can go out there for a week and the mosquitoes won't come near youal 2040 what do you think right well
I find out that diesel fuel works better than getting bitten by mosquitoes when I was on the machine carcinogenic know I'll tell you well there there are also studies that show some people are more attractive to mosquitoes than others so that there's probably a little bit of
that not saying you're not sweet using it right after I found out you know and you're too crusty though they just don't like diesel fuel but you don't know why some people are more attractive no they've done a lot of studies um as you can imagine there are a lot of different
chemicals in your body that make you smell differently everybody's a little different um certain things make people more attractive to mosquitoes things like fevers and sweating and things like that makes some people more attractive to mosquitoes um but it's a lot of it's just your body chemist
isn't it increase carbon dioxide levels too some people you know it it would be yes cuz that's what we're using in our traps as carbon dioxide yeah that's what the mosquitoes are attracted to right and the people that are aren't quite as fit as others that or they're you know
they they build up a carbon dioxide level in their body more susceptible there's there are also a lot of other yeah yeah but yeah all that plays a factor this is a special year for for you right doesn't happen very often
every cicus yes how about entomologist 30 seconds this is Big Year for you big year can't wait I remember when they came out last time very disappointing not a lot in Yarmouth I live in Yarmouth a little disappointing but yeah it's what's your
prediction this year for the cicas oh my gosh I don't even know what to predict but they but when they came out 17 years ago it was mostly the upper Cape there were parts of Marston's Mills had a bunch of them um I don't know we'll see we'll see
yeah any other questions comments anyone thank you yeah this is great always is all right yeah thanks for thanks for inviting me I had to look up the I used to be on the Yarmouth Board of Health 25 years ago W I'm so old anyway thanks for inviting me anytime you have a mosquito
question you're an alumna yes yes all right we'll look over your folder we see how you did in the exam okay thank you thank you okay next up is number four there's
a variance request here um Barry W you tell us what this is all about m u Michelle you can come up uh we have a variance request it this house is at 18 Buchanan it is in a zone two what it was
originally built it was built as a two-bedroom it had a two-bedroom septic and it in 1982 I think it is the there's a large addition put on the back of the house behind the garage um and all
through the notes you can see when it was built that it was um that was built just for a a living room not for bedrooms or anything like that um historically in the town of Dennis uh
with the collaboration of the health department and the water department additions of bedrooms are not allowed um in zone 2 just to help protect the water aquifer a lot of times people say well my house is a two-bedroom but the my neighbor has a
three-bedroom well that's the way it was built at the time um Michelle purchased this house a year and a half two years ago about year and a half yeah um the septic he did upgrade it to a three-bedroom septic system
which is a minimum standard um for Title 5 to have uh put in if he they would put in a two-bedroom septic system and had been deed to a two-bedroom uh he would like to change the the addition when it was originally built it
was a 5- foot case opening going into this to the great room building inspectors went out there they did it it was a 5 foot case opening it was a living room it was exactly to the standards that it was applied for over time someone had putting doors on
there now it creates privacy I gave you a copy of the um the title five bedroom definitions so now there's it could possibly be a third bedroom but again we don't allow the third bedrooms a lot of
times this happens I ask people to open up doors open up case openings to put it back to a 5 foot case opening um Michelle would like to I went out and looked at the house it does fall underneath the definition of a bedroom I told him that was not
allowed but I also gave him the option to come in front of the board as a for a variance to to have it be called a a three-bedroom I think he's looking to sell the house to maximize his investment
so so the the um Title 5 upgrade it was for a three-bedroom system yes ma'am it is a three-bedroom system was that because the the previous system failed yeah it was in Failure it was older I it was original with the
home so they he did the right thing he did the right thing and wanted to upgrade it so originally was ceso and okay yeah and having aess before and do you mind introducing yourself to the yeah um excuse me Michelle
mangado um I live in mhby right now and uh I own quite a few property in yamut um two of a major property the two shopping center the one across way from the park and the one on H and Kettle I renovated all these property to make
them as best as they can be for the town and I believe Mark he always vouch for it he go I did such a great job trying to beautify the town however I saw this house um at one time the lady who lived in it she was over 80 years old she
lived for over 40 years over 10 grandchildren they all come into the house so they all live in the house I guess that's why she needed an extra room and when I bought the house I actually dumped 10 mattresses out of the house I mean she just had all
the kids so probably that's what she need but they had sess and it's always it's it's just not a you know decent setup it's old and everything else when I bought it as soon as I um I didn't have to have uh title F because I bought
it through a exchange of 1031 um I called my friend he's a septic installer I said could you go un check my the septic system just to see if it's in good shape or not I mean like everything else like electric gold and everything else he checked it I said
that's successful I don't know if you want to keep it you know I said well you don't have to he said you don't have to change it but if you want to change you know upgrade it we can put a new one I said good put a whole new one Whatever It Takes just put a new one for this
house he looks over he said three-bedroom system will do a good job he just installed it and I said good if that's the case I was looking on I went down to the help man get the zoning from the line online and I saw it C uh 310
cmr5 Title 5 it says where the this is from the state where the total number of room for a single dwelling exceeds eight not including bathroom hallway unfinished seller and unheated storage
area the number of room pred shall be calculated dividing the total room uh total number of room by two and rounding it to the next whole number there's eight rooms in the house if I do as what
is a state reads that means I have four bedroom I don't need four bedroom I say let's leave it three okay um I looked another part here from the state which is right above the town uh Amendment for Town yamit Amendment for title five it
says single family dwelling shall be presumed to have at least three bedroom so in all in all when I read that when I bought the house I said it's a three-bedroom I mean not doesn't matter what it says here it's three bedroom but
when I'm looking over here it says total room eight and says two bedroom one bath but it's they already taken a a permit in 82 for a big addition with an extra bath so
there's a b and two bathro and there eight rooms and a brand new septic system and I say that should qualify for three bedroom and it's not like and then not only that yes I understand Barry was saying zone two but the neighbor across
the street just sold their home old system in it it has three bedroom and the house is only 1,50 sare ft I don't know what they do they took the room and divide in half but this one here is like almost 1,700 Square ft has a brand new
system and they still go and it's across the street that's number 91 this is number No 19 19 and this is number 18 and I go down two more houses there's two more houses three bedroom three bed so within this area there's a lot of
tree bedroom this one nobody did anything with it in the last 42 years or 43 years that woman lived in it so it stayed and how many baths bathrooms two bathroom in always have been two bathrooms for as long as I see it it's
old even I left one of the bathroom I left the floor is old I just kep you said there was the bathroom was added when they put the addition on they had to yeah because if I look at the plan here there's um there's an addition to the to
the bedroom this is the bedroom there's this little jog has a bathroom and and a big closet walk-in closet so that was that's the drawing that the town has when was that what date I believe this drwing was done in 82 because that's where the new addition okay this is the new addition that Barry was talking
about it's about 450 Square F feet so 450 square feet is a good size so who you know when was the septic put in uh septic was put in brand new uh 330 gallon per day which is for three
bedroom 11 11429 is this 24 no 24 so it just no 111 when 111 November November one yeah I mean for the house to be sold
either the seller or the new owner would have to bring a system up to Title 5 isn't that correct yes and it is up to it's at so Title 5 requirements minimum to put in any home is is three bedrooms
330 gallons they they just assume that whether it's a two-bedroom or a a one-bedroom it's a 33 gallons per day um and it is a brand new SE septic system so that can
handle what's your opinion on on Barry on uh I tell people every day it's probably one of the hardest things I can do people want to come in and add uh another bedroom for a mother that's getting older and I the first thing I look up is
if it's in a Zone 2 or not and I I have to tell them unfortunately town of Yarmouth Health Department water department don't allow additional bedrooms in zone 2os when did that go when was that ruling or that regulation put in since I've been working here with
uh Jay and and Jeff goby the the DPW director so it's to preserve the the the zone two the water uh protection so so does that mean all zone two they don't allow them to have uh accessory uh unit that's correct
with with all these adus coming in they they won't the they won't be allowed they to use in zone twos I wanted one in my house uh and I can't I'm in a zone two so but if if there's a lot of them in the
neighborhood they have they had to be done somehow not only that I'm looking over if the guy cross the street and it's has three bedroom but have an old system that is more dangerous for the water system than
that I put in a brand new system in here I mean it's like it's like all of them like M matter of fact I'll be going soon coming up before the board for another unit in U in South yamit that I bought that has also cess and I just don't want
it I want to just put a holding tank until the set until the sewer comes but when I talk to uh Ryan is it Ryan Chase I think the guy in him he's the guy who's in charge of
the sewer of the town oh yeah and he goes it's going to take a long time for that street and I said okay maybe I'll I'll order a brand new septic system for that whole area and you know it's not I don't think it's a good idea to have a cessful I I think anybody who has assess
they should be completely sending citation say listen you get rid of it in the next few days or next month or something or you'll you'll be you can't live in his house it's that simple I mean not and I I'm the one the first will be if I was on the board that' be the first thing I would do everybody has
to have a brand new septic system that's it and even though the sew is coming but who knows might take five years until this thing comes in during that five years you could do a lot of damage but Barry he's mentioned the house across the street so was that a legal
application if he's telling the truth when they were built in the 70s or whatever that house was probably built as a three-bedroom and it met all the criteria the asss pool was designed so that's grandfather Yeah that's grandfather and we can't make him undo that I see um I'm like again I'm in a
Zone 2 in the house behind me is a five bedroom but the day that's how it was built originally that's how it was originally but ever since they started with the aquafer Protection District and regulating The Zone twos to
try to help protect it as much as possible they've it's been no additional bedrooms question for you uh a two three-bedroom is not allowed and this why is it in front of
us you said you said you tell people no but everybody has a right to ask for a variance so that's I I I can't deny people asking for a variance so and it's so it seems to me though the
variance would have to come from both the health department and the water department from Lori ralo that might be true I didn't think about that you know I don't I don't think we could make an except a variant exception
to a Zone to regulation on our own maybe a long line of people who want to do that I suppose yeah and it's um and then looking further into the
future now that we're getting Town sewer everybody's like oh I am on sewer now I don't need my septic I can add a bedroom well they haven't come up with their regulations on what they're going to do with the zone 2 then either so it's which leaves us to the same
situation now if whoever lives in this house for the next five years until sewer comes in if they decide to use a big great room as a bedroom who's going to say no to them they there I mean once they get in the house and close the door who cares where they sleep I mean when I
went there there were like four beds in that room so they use that room as like two bedroom three bedroom but here I'm trying to make it right right so won't be issue when the people come in and say look this is only three bedrooms not four bedroom so you
cannot go in there and add more rooms to it and that's ended out and as a brand new septic at least to make it right because it was I left it alone without doing anything to it it'll be still unsuccessful and it's still people probably 10 people or whatever living in
that house and I'm trying to make it right that's so the only concern that I would have was when these people buy the house they know it's a two-bedroom so if they go ahead on their own and use that as a bedroom they're in violation of that
yeah whereas if you're in your own house who's going to say to you you but they're still in violation though I mean this lady lived in there for 42 years with 10 10 grandchildren who said anything to her on the last I mean just because she left a lot of the stuff in
the house and she went to nursing home and whatever afterward and then I got stuck with all the stuff the furniture had take like two dumpsters withth this stuff and you know the town charges like $30 per pantess just so you know I I to get rid of all of them and I say like
you know if that's the stuff even if I just left it alone clean it up and sell it the way it is the next person can do the same well they could there's not nobody ever going to know but from my perspective is if we approved it we're condoning that right we could put a deed
restriction on the only reason why I'm doing that is because I say you know let's get rid of this let's get rid of the Cesspool and put a septic since I put a septic as three-bedroom and I'm looking over as this what the state reads on the on the on the calculating number of homes it's
any house if you add the room becomes three or four bedroom this and I figured hey maybe it shouldn't have that I mean just make it like normal not just everyone is different from the other this is to make everything the same way
what it should be from that point on yeah talking about things done way in the past I can see if I don't have a new septic I have the same old system and I come up and you say no it's not I say you know that's correct you're right no problem but you
know why did I put a new system for what just for for a good look I just did it because I don't want to have damage to the water that everybody's drinking can we just clarify was was there an obligation to inst install the new
system no he did it on its own no obligation said it during the transfer of property isn't it the owner or the buyer or seller's responsibility to upgrade the system in order to make it in compliance with Title 5 you have two
years from time of purchase or sale to get a title 5 inspection okay um unless it's a cash deal you still have two years but if it's cash deal usually Banks don't require Title Five usually do that
but would a assess pool would not be in compliance under a watered permit since we are getting the town sewer and CS pools are not an automatic failure they're not an automatic failure no it's
not so again you have Mrs Jones who lived there by herself for 40 years and and the and it passes fine RS fine but then you also have Mr Smith who has 10 kids in his
house and has a brand new septic and it not being properly taken care of it can fail in two years I've seen that happen also so it's all how you maintain but if you overload it over exert a
system then it's has I had guy come in to check it who does only septic he's a good friend of mine I said could you look at it and see if you know everything's okay because I usually have electrician go through it plumber go through it make sure everything's in order I don't want to have to deal with
it later on and he said you got assessible it works it's fine but if you want to change it we'll change it I said how much is going to cost me he said between 20 and 30,000 I said just do it got it done it's simple it's like part of the cost of doing house and I don't
have to deal with it I said this is a three-bedroom house should have a three-bedroom subject right you're saying that but but the minimum requirement for Title 5 is to meet a three-bedroom it's a 330 gallons per
day room I'm just saying that you didn't do it out of you know a a noble act to oh I put in a three-bedroom system that's the minimum requirement I didn't know it was the minimum until Barry told me that but I do know that when I bought
the house I'm looking at it that according to the state and everything else total rooms divided by two I should have four bedroom and I didn't care for four I said like it's three and I counted the number rooms there look like a three bedroom yeah I'm not you know and I said that would be good good
enough for me I'm I'm not sure what document is being referenced I I gave it I what he's reading I gave it to I just I just I just want I just wanted to identify which the loose one that I gave you also the def bedroom yeah I had the
same understanding you did and being on the board all in my mind you needed to meet Title 5 uh requirement when you was my understand the ownership of the house that was my understanding also
abely no no before he with his old system so he would have had to do that anyway and right now price of a bedroom this one yeah I understand
that he is worked fine one day Ron was in there and he says little up so you know when you read this you presume automa when you buy a house the house put all plastic all right we got a lot of side conversations going on here we need probably need
a yeah we're trying to I think he I think he's we're looking for you to maybe grab a seat can I just can I just hold on to this for a second yeah it just I me like I say at least
once a day I tell people I apologize you're in a Zone 2 no additional bedrooms a year and a half I've been doing this uh Michelle was the first one that asked me what they could do
to get past it so that's why I don't think sewering is is really the argument one way or other just that that's that's going to go on for decades and knowing we don't know where it's going to go you know the plan is in different areas but who knows when this
is going to reach any particular house other than the ones right at off of 28 so personally I I give them the variance that's just
me well you can certainly make a motion for that if you want hopefully I can do this right I make a motion to Grant the variance of the address of 2128 18 that's that's a box number no
address here 18 18 buan 18 Road so is there a second to the motion I'll second it okay so you can do that then we vote just to move it along okay so let's vote on it all in favor of
granting the variance raise your hand and say I I so the vote it doesn't pass so it's uh the variance well was not granted basically
so stays a two-bedroom yeah hope you understand the argument a little bit my one of the things I I think is the issue that barri has discussed of all the people in zone 2 who may want to be doing what you're doing is the problem with picking and
choosing just just my opinion basically reason I you know you put a nice septic system for what for no reason I could have just left it alone say myself that much money well I appreciate that you did it because we we have a we have doing it all nice all around we Tred to
protect the aquer Protection District and we take that very seriously we have a we have mostly commercial kinds of things that come before but we've had this also so I personally appreciate that you did this but it still zone two and today is
today and so we have to protect Zone 2 and you know you know pretty soon when the sewer comes in then people's going to come back and apply for it I mean I may not be the one who owns it by that time but still there going to come up before the board before you know but this is today and this is what we have
to to deal with you'll also have the option of recouping that investment when you sell the house oh very much so I mean it's a lot of money you're talking what 25 $30,000 a house that size it's just a big investment on your part you know when
you see when when I did I have another house uh one time in the bonable area in Austinville and I was trying to add an addition to it one extra room separate from the house as as a pool house to the
house and when I went to the health department the first thing they said they looked over and they said well you know according to the map looks like you have five bedroom you cannot add another bedroom and I got the guy ready to build
a new septic system just for that one room and one day before the day happened I went to the health department again and start looking at the same book and I got that piece of paper that I just show you and I talked to tomen he's the health director over there and I said
Tom could you read this up for me and see what it says says Thal room divided by two he looked at my house he said there's eight rooms we divided by two it's four bedroom can I so you actually have four so what this says is where the
total number of rooms for a single family dwelling exceeds eight you don't exceed eight you are at eight rooms this is not applicable to you what mean exceeded eight is greater than eight where the total greater than eight
this is eight room here the regulation that you handed me states where the total number of rooms for a single family dwelling exceeds eight yeah even if this exceeds six divided by two is three rooms all I'm looking for three bedroom I think
you're misunderstanding the regulation if I'm looking for four bedroom in there this is for the other if I'm looking for four bedroom is you're right I'm not looking for I'm looking for three so I I have eight room if I divide it by two
I'll get four I only I only need three so all I need six divide by two but that's how the number of bedrooms is calculating if your total number of rooms is greater than eight exceeds eight right you don't exceed eight you
have eight I understand it but they use the same formula you divide the number of room no matter what is even if you have six you got three bedroom I appreciate your time and effort okay okay thank you good luck with the sale
when you get there thank you okay uh we're on to number five the cranberry bog at 16 Denver drive it's only an update so great news on the uh cranberry
bug um on March 10th uh they pulled a permit a trench permit to have the the illegal um pit removed um I did go out and witness it they have removed all the bathroom the shower the entire structure
and then they did go out and abandon the the existing pit um that was out there so I put in a notice of voluntary dismissal to the um Massachusetts trial housing court to dismiss the the uh our
plane our our charges so from a health point of view they're all good um I know they're still working with the building on zoning issues the but the other the wiring the building of the illegal bathroom all that that's been taken care
of so we are washing our hands of the cranberry bog from to this point so good maybe some nice closure on it it's been a while okay uh another update and that's
on the green burial uh one thing that's new is we got uh an edited regulation from Town Council um so that's what we're going to do tonight
is look at the uh the edits that the lawyers have put into this there not a lot of them um we would need to decide do we agree with them or not um
if we accept what they're recommending um if nothing is changing we could vote on it tonight um if we made some changes for sure it
would still go back to to Town Council and they'd have to decide um on the edits we're making either accepting theirs or adding new ones whatever um as you recall once this gets done
then there would be a public hearing if yep unless for some reason the Board of Health decided just to end this and vote no and it's done it's an option as well so why don't we start um looking at the edits you have something you want to
comment yes I do um on the first page um the comment that says D should have the final sign off I went back to when we um re one of the times we reviewed a draft it was January
6th and I have as usual all kinds of notes and one of the things that I should have picked up on we never got the draft with our revisions or with our comments on it from Jay um and and for
the most part I have no problem with that except we did say in that paragraph that the um attorney has commented on and first must be reviewed and approved by the regional D office for each burial
request yeah and Jay didn't put that first in there in the final draft that we have before us and the what little regulations are or information out there D should be first and then Town
Selectmen have the final okay statement but that's not what the attorney said we agreed on that I remember we distinctly agreed that before we even reviewed it it would but that's not that's not pertinent to this right now because
the the attorney didn't say anything about that so I think that if we just put that first in there we are acknowledging that we can't even proceed until the applicant has gone to D like Mr mcer did and we got a copy of their
response to him okaying it from their standpoint yes so rather than saying they have final approval we're asking them upfront at first hey do we have to do any should we do something with this yeah we definitely discussed that yes before I
think it may have been the last meeting or the meeting before that that before we even looked at this he would have done that so all we have to do is uh I think in that first P or second paragraph actually each green burial
must first be reviewed and approved by D and to me that would not require going back to Town Council because we acknowledging that D has the the first and final approval
basically okay that's my thought on that that that's the I look at it so they're not commenting though on the what you're pointing out which is correct about the first uh look is by the de that they right they didn't come on because it wasn't in
it so we're making an addition is that what you're saying we adding first must first be reviewed so we're agreeing with what they're saying basically we're agreeing with what they're saying because we're saying we're not even going to proceed on an application unless D has approved I'm not following
in in that it's really the comment that I have it's only about the final right sign off it didn't right from the lawyers but the doesn't have to have the final sign off from the reg the legislation because we're
saying we're we want them to to have the application first in other words before we even look at it before we even proceed to go to the D and get approval no then we're done we're done right rather than we go
through all of it and then we send it to them and they say oh no you can't I mean that's that doesn't make any sense to me I agree 100% and it just was left out however it then would go assuming the initial valuation by the DP gives us a
go-ahead it would come to us MH then uh the local government which is the select board right and then it goes to uh the right um it wouldn't go back to the de back to D it's already been settled that
would resolve all the issues that Council had with the D right but for the regulation we can make a change or or local government being the select board can make changes to what our regulation of no of what was initially approved by
the D no in other words no I mean they what they say that's step one yes e is step one yes once they're that once they get the okay then it comes to us to app is out
of it at that point right period right they don't need to see it again then we review it and then the selectman have to approve I don't think I agree only that our board may make a change from what the D saw initially we could board may see it either they can do even though we
don't agree with it they can make changes who the select board right but the D has start the process right yes and then once they say okay it's okay now it comes to us yes and we look at it if we say it's okay then it goes to the
board of Selectmen and they have to look at it and and then and then done then we have to put it to a town vote is that what it is what no it's not a town vote but what was the final the process right process it's a hearing but D may not
agree with what the select board does would never go any further than the D I mean if the D rejected it no but if they they're agreeing on the initial evaluation of it missing Point well then we have to tell you don't have the
choice of disagreeing with the D because what we presented is what they but we want to make a a a change at some point right what do you mean make a after the initial evaluation the D goes to us maybe we're going to make make some
changes on it maybe we say no is that what you're saying we could say no but I don't know that we could say yes without going back to the D and saying if we made changes we'd have to go back to the D right go back to the de right but but
they would look at the whole application first and approve it or not approve it have we seen the application before it goes to De yes no no he he went through the D brought it to D exactly so we haven't seen it yet we may not agree
with de says yeah it's fine but we disagree with it we need to make this change then what happens go back to the D again right at the end for sure no before cuz I'm not going to go back work and then find out so you going to send
it right back there if we want to make changes right Absol then it comes back to us and then goes to the go to the select board so basically want to jerk this guy around for about two years yeah I'm trying I know that I agree with you I think that's absolute well
what what we have to do then is do these do these um regulations that we've already um accepted or discussed we already know that this particular application has been approved by the D
right we can we accept this application based on our regulations that we have in place now ours may be more restrictive and the D may not know that what we're doing or want to do to them
it's looks fine it meets all the state but we may have more stringent regulations than the state does I'm sure we do with tobacco we do then it's our option to reject it or accept it well it may be pending changes if you for instance want to one more thing
added on that that the person needs to do for us to Grant it do you have a suggestion of a proposed solution I mean do do you think it's correct to to leave verbiage
in here or include verbage just say that D should have the final sign off well they do it's my understanding yes yeah yeah which and we said that they must be reviewed and approved first be reviewed and approved
so any changes we make or the select board will end up at the D at the end so it goes D us select board D yeah it was my understanding maybe I have changes I I I don't know why we can't get a
straightforward answer from d on this because they've told you right we don't have anything to say about it I mean they've said given so many different answers um and how I I guess i' want to ask Town Council okay well where do you
get that D should have the final sign off you know what what are they seeing that that we didn't see definitively said DP needs the final sign off so that's my question to Town Council when I where did you get this from you why
why are you saying that when basically of course we didn't put first but if we had first in there we're saying we know this D's got the sign off and then we can proceed with dealing with the application I think if we spe
specifically stated that to begin with the Town Council wouldn't have an issue with that and I think they would wouldn't have had those addendums well I think we can do that I think if we just let them know that it has to go the D to begin with and then
send it back to Town Council see what they have to say about that otherwise we're just going to be going around the circle TR to avoid it so it's really just adding the one sentence no not a sentence it's just putting must first be putting the word
first okay between must and be okay the last sentence in the second paragraph each green burial must first be reviewed and approved by De EP I think maybe to hillard's point
though that doesn't exactly address their comment because we're we're stating that final approval is granted by the said if we make any changes it they'll have to go back to De but still I think for what
we're paying Town Council they should tell us where did you get this D should have the final sign off that's my feeling that I don't think they're aware how vague the D was when they were
consulted the D sort of they were it was like a deer in the headlights when you talk to them about it right so I really don't think the Town Council is aware that the DP really doesn't have an answer for this right right that's been our experience anyway yeah the state RS
are very generic vague yes well and but that's what the the actual D staff have been communicating that you know we don't you know could I make a motion that we uh do what Mary suggests and have the
um de sign off on this before we take it any further I I'm not sure how I word that but how would you word that Mary just say that the second the last sentence in
the second paragraph the word first be inserted between must and B so the the meaning is that the D has to sign off on it before we proceed so you wanted to say each green burial must
first be reviewed and approved by ETP right yes right I think that that would address all the issues that Town Council had I think from what I could see second a second motion you made you made
the motion yes okay there's a second all right any discussion on that none okay all in favor just raise your hand say I I okay fine so that's the page one of our regulations
great okay uh page two uh looks like under section three uh number one under location I no there's one further up I'm sorry uh so the end of section two which is on
still page two the last sentence there under serious pathogen disease they added on andde so a green burial of these infectious cases should not be allowed pending a decision of the yth Board of
Health and d and that that also is comes up on the next page under number four infection Disease Control yeah and I would like to make a motion that we change
our draft policy to say that um green burials will not be allowed if the individual has been known to have been killed by a serious pathogenic disease including highly infectious
bacterial and viral disease and diseases transmitted by preons I I second that that's any discussion yes my my thinking is um that if if an applicant disagrees
with that they can come to us for a variance and we can discuss that just like we discuss any other thing that they might have issue with just uh number four uh that comment pb2 on page three right yeah comment pb2 p uh page
page three number four up page to on page two and Page Three it's both serious pathogen disease right that would eliminate that last sentence and that statement
right well that's the comment by the lawyer saying perhaps to delete it because it seems very risky and I would delete it I think we should not allow green burials if there's any risk of I think we should not how we said we shouldn't we should
not allow green burials if there is any risk of what it says here so that the person's been killed by his in other words we just saying you can't you just can't do it so if we just crossed out
the last part of that sentence in other words a green burial of these infectious cases should not be allowed yes and they just forget pending a decision right right right right that's just following what the state says yes what what do you mean
following what the state say about infectious diseases that's essentially well but I I think that we should just say it can't happen and if somebody wants to contest that they can come before us because there's enough sure right now medical knowledge that you
know we could we could I think weigh the circumstances and all rather than um you know as the council has noted it's kind of risky it's and it leaves up to who's whose
definition of serious and who def you know that kind of thing it it doesn't mean me that it might not ever happen if somebody brings a variance to this board or a subsequent one and you know makes that decision but for now we're just
taking that off the table so that it isn't you know kind of a complicating Factor yeah no I I agree then we shouldn't have to send that back to council either because we're basically agreeing with them it's too risky right yep okay
F so just to be clear yes on the page two serious path and diseases yes leave it as he suggested we say a green burial of these infectious
diseases um should not be allowed or will not be allow should not be allowed period okay and you're taking out pending decision right right right yep that keeps it simple all right and then when we go over to the next page where
the the topic is considered we just say we leave green burial practices should comply with any relevant Massachusetts infectious disease regulations if no wait a minute Larry help me with that okay just say green Barrow
practices are not allowed I think we can just cross that whole thing off because we've already kind of stated that in that previous statement didn't we yes health and safety
requirements right if are not allowed we know there's there isn't right we're not making a decision on itless someone has a variance that they're not allowed period so in other words just the first sentence would be the way would where are to serve on
number four on section four okay if we just said green burial practices should comply with any relevant Massachusetts infectious disease regulations period and leave out the rest of it not knowing what that is
though because you've kind of already addressed that right previously said they should not be allowed right so take out everything after regulations yes yes and that's where the um that's where the uh Council said this seems a
bit risky so we're eliminating that right okay people so that that would that would cross off that uh commented pvt2 this this seems a bit
risky so we right we just be ating that okay and I have no problem with what they asked under page two under um I mean yeah page two under section three adding all of those Provisions sure I didn't look them up but I'm going to
trust them Mary I do the same thing I didn't I'm not giving it so let's assume that we hired then we're paying for it let's assume they're right let's move on okay so everyone agrees hopefully to that we talking about pv3 and pv4 this was section three on on page two section
three section one oh yeah I'm sure you review that for us lar thank you I appreciate that Larry um okay where we where are we going we're going down to TV3 under Section Five is that what
we're on page two yes commented so there's a whole lot of this confusing to me all right let's see if we can figure this out are they basically saying that this number one in blue that they put
added encompasses the 1.2 2.3 3.4 that they deleted or yeah they deleted basically they just renumbered oh was that was just renumbering okay yeah added one so
then they're common is pv3 is this meant to address the site plan yeah the deed restriction yeah was meant to was it meant to um it was just meant to get on to the deed that was my
understanding so she's it's written now that upon approval the site plan identifying the location of the burial Pro and the property must be recorded as an addendum to the deed which seems reasonable just sounds like legally said
yeah it does and it basically what the deed is the key word there it's got to be there okay for the new owner potential new owner everyone okay with that not okay they are let's go down to did you get that y okay ev4 yeah stop us
if we're being too cryptic or too fast all right this okay so we're on to the number 4.5 point that one where it underlined is in addition to setbacks and buffer zones for water supply wetlands and Water
Resources so the comments there is this is confusing as it appears to conflict with paragraph two how does that so I I think what they're trying to say is that if if we state that setbacks must also
be consistent with Title 5 regulations we're implying that um oh burial I mean burial anding up in uh zone two right
so what what we're stating in number two is that the actual plot will not be allowed within zone two however title five states that if any part of a property right right Falls within a zone
two so we don't want to say that but what of the title five regulations do we want to be adhered to bar setbacks Wetland setback and we've already said that
Wetlands you know the okay so I'm okay with taking that off yeah my comment here I did last time was agree deleted yeah okay good that's what I wrote I'm off of that too anybody else have a problem with taking that out what are we taking out where where he blew it out on
45 says in addition to setbacks and buffer zones for water Supply wetlands and Water Resources is that what we're eliminating no no we're we're saying it's okay that they added that okay and that um and okay that they added also be
maintained and then we can take out setbacks must also be consistent with Title 5 regulations we take that last full sentence we're deleting and we're accepting their other their other comments added okay
before we we move any further Charles any comment on on the on the cookies how are they no don't don't embarrass them no no it's good it's good I was I was thinking about it I said getting past dinner time you
yeah that was really nice thank you 13 15 is hours today in Cape Cod hospital I don't have a great attitude sorry to hear that okay need another one as well for sure um we're down to section
five it's coming back to haunt us yes it is a final approval by D is required prior to issuance of a green burial permit but we can cross that off well or we can say if any changes have been made
to the initial application right yeah okay if any so why don't you say that again so Barry can write it down okay we're gonna we're going to include that sentence that they say Okay final approval by D is required prior to
issuance of a green barrial permit if any changes to the initial application to De has been made perfect thank you have been made any changes to the initial
application to D have been made in other words unless we've changed something we don't have to go back to that right yeah okay there it is again is it again okay I believe we're on the last page oh why
don't we call this state approval number uh three here so State approval following approval by the Yarmouth Board of Health comma the application will be forwarded to the regional D office for review no no
think no yeah we've already been over that right we've already addressed that take out that take it out yes so that state approval is taken out yes that whole thing that whole blue sentence you takeen out yes because
they've already done it right yeah okay um I think this has to go back to the attorneys I don't think we've done anything that has materially changed exactly thank you I don't think we've disagreed with
anything no I agree um we shortened it cleaned it up a little bit actually bar you agree with that I think it should go back to to council just to see I think I'm going to
go back to the first page here briefly if I could go ahead sure under pv1 where the attorney what are you exactly uh the the front page comment pv1 okay I suspect what the what Town Council is
doing here is trying to wave some responsibility or liability by rather than saying final approval is granted by the arm of Select board put it I happen to agree with you
put it back into in my thinking also was if you look under mass.gov part of it was saying that the yth Board of Health and the D it doesn't um in one area and then it says it includes local government so sending it
to the select but also takes uh some of the burden off of us by including them in it so you bring up an interesting I'm not sure anybody wants the final approval going around in a big circle again right so question try to keep this
a little bit simple I mean this could go on forever it started in September I agree right so this gentleman isn't going to be too happy if he thinks he has to go back to DP again um no yeah I don't see the point
of that I wouldn't make the decision based upon one person but I I agree I agree with what you're saying yeah that's why I that's why I said I would ask the Town Council why do you say that what where do where did you find that's why I think we should send it back to council one more time before you take a
vote on it I think we should send it back with our changes and and say we do not know where you found well in the regulations that D has the final sign off this is not what they are telling us can we include any
correspondence that we've had with the EP with the submission to Town Council they know it all they know it all Jay has been very open with them how so they understand that we've had contradicting Nares should be able to
tell us where they found in an in are they aware how non-committal the DP was right from the beginning with this whole I'm pretty sure they are we'll just it didn't seem that way when he wrote this out right
didn't okay okay I move that we send this Green Home burial regulation back to town council with the question where did they find that D should have the final
sign off since that is not what we have been told by DP and um that basically we have agreed with their other uh recommendations the other thing Barry I would emphasize to Town Council that
approval by the D is the beginning of the whole process yes right well if we putare of that first each green yeah tell that will be in what what most sense because she's going to have to retype this with our what we the changes we've made when we
send it back so a second all those in favor say I hi hi hi I thank you okay okay um okay so just okay once again nobody
wants to hear this but this is a document I found mass.gov I just found it in my pile here um I don't know if anyone has it maybe this was even something that was handed out to us a couple months ago and it says what steps are recommended to incorporate both state
and local review um and you have it here that's one two three four top of page five it says once the local Board of Health has approved the burial site request should be forwarded to the appropriate Regional D
for review and approval in accordance with mgl chapter 114 so what's the interpretation of that so it's here it's saying once we approve it it's going to the right
m.g so even if the proposal appears to meet all estate sighting requirements appears to but what if it's already been submitted to them and it did meet all the state sighting requirements because apparently that's what they're interested
[Applause] in is interested in whether whether the application meets All State sighting requirements and so when D looked at what Mr mccartie sent them they were looking at the state s they although
they also talked to Lori in the water department and uh you know from the letter they sent him back in terms of whether the our water department had any
problems with it I think I recall one of the meetings that we've had that just to eliminate all of our time and effort that they go to D
first just to even make sure that right it's there then D then come to us that's I think that's why we put it in like that that no there was no need for us to do all this leg work and then all of a sudden the D exactly exactly say no
well I have no problem if we have to send it back to d i mean if we do we do if if by law if that's what the state Council says oh by the way it's mgl whatever it is that it says here um says that
then then they have the final say it's not us it's not the state the select board that's my opinion I'm not sure what we been voted on are we changing what we're doing we just make another motion here but that's that's what it I think it says on that
page I pointed out well if we if we follow what you're saying we're definitely following protocol mass. yeah that's the government regulation you're never not going to get in trouble following that protocol it just makes it a little
more uh more more of a process but that's fine I mean if that's and hopefully if we're not make any changes it'll just go right through and we'll be done right so it'll just be like rubber stamp oh yeah we've already seen this looks
like they haven't done anything I think it's a belt and suspender sort of yeah yeah so do we need make a motion to include that let's just make a new motion so it's for the record we're making a change here okay so
then where's the basically for final uh well um I I don't know if it's quite that simple because we do want to state that um that the select board why approves the why do we want to say that well it's part of the process
isn't it I don't know we've we've listed we've listed all of the other approvals who told us that the select board was it the attorney that spoke to us from Mar or somebody I can't recall I'd have
to look that up but I I from my recall that the select board had the yeah here under this is what I see under mass.gov under some background here is saying that
um it's all okay second sentence here home burials are not prohibited by state law but the decedent's family must first obtain written approval from the local board of health and the local governing body
period that's some background on Mass from mass.gov I'm wondering though if they if the board select board approves our regulation if that doesn't take care of what we do if we have a
regulation and the select board agrees with it and we apply it consistently then what argument would the select board have with it why should they have to review it I don't think they care I don't think they're going to want beond their that many anyway I
understand would be beyond their perview to right to to so we could just omit that from the regulation the the approval from the select put to local government I would I mean I think what needs to go to the local government is
our regulation and and and our Assurance to the select board that we will apply this the way we do all of our policies and regulations consistently and fairly um and if if some big issue came up say
an infectious disease variance then we would go to the select board we could say this is what we've decided I think Council would have addressed sending it back to select I do too I thought it was required so we're following their their
suggestion so can we just omit what's highlighted where are you where what page are you on the first page under Health regulation for green burials on private property can we omit what's
highlighted and then get rid of oh final approval is granted by the yes so we if we omit what's highlighted and then take the word first back out yeah and the um I'd say Council kind
of refers to that a little bit too that I say must first and finally be reviewed and approved by DP because we do want them to go to De first and get all that done right yeah yes before we start first and final first and final first
and finally first and finally be reviewed the applicant needs a go then we'll send it to DP for final so must first and finally be reviewed and approved by d That's clear yeah okay and take out the so we can
eliminate the approvals granted by the Yarmouth select board yes okay yes got that Barry I'm okay with that okay good we just call our regulations government I mean as long as
the regulation is it's a town R yeah so so I think that as a courtesy we should bring this to send this when it's finalized to the select board with a cover that says this and tell them how many months
we've been working on it and how many times you know we've gone to D and and Town Council has reviewed it and we've reviewed it and Town Council has made a final review and that um we just feel since this is a
new a completely new proposal for the or regulation for the town we wanted them to be aware of that do not anticipate influx of Creber application influx of applications I see more bedrooms putting in his own
too I'd see a line that interest cranberries anyway um been a ly for sure yeah so as a courtesy yes that that's a good idea we'll select it send it to the select board and let it let it be but
um this has been difficult I think for you I mean just trying to get this on paper so um let us know you know there's a problem you writing it whatever okay unfortunately with all the discussion she does a superb
job she really does yeah no okay why don't we move on to something else hey yay okay oh do we have to okay um not much more okay next up is quickly let's go to accepting the minutes and
that was the March 3rd yes third meeting um Mary had made some changes they mo did make the changes in them so yeah on just on one of them was just a spelling of it was
just a typo instead of Diana it's Diane and then council is Seal when you talk about an attorney those are the only changes everything else was fine with with me so those changes were made great thank you will sign great
so motion thank you Mary to approve I move that we approve the minutes of March 3rd second somebody second all in favor just say I I that's passed I just have one comment um on minutes perhaps in the future instead of saying chairman
and chairman under both my name we're next to Mary's it should be a chairperson in this day and age um how do people feel about making that change for the future we just it's a chairperson yeah what do we change it
to um it would be a chairperson not a chairman or chairwoman or right now for both of us um it's saying chairman and it's gotten more complicated uh in this day and age just called it chairperson
yes like a male person fire person yeah in other words it really shouldn't be selectman board it should you know it should be select select board yeah yeah same kind of thing so why don't we do that um let's go on
to new and old business I have a couple things um we are we have a few um boarding s situations in town uh and it's not it'd be a lot easier if it was renters but it's actual
homeowners how would you like us to handle them with the board um bringing them in like a lot of it's Financial it's hoarding as we've heard before it's a mental issue so as much as I go talk
to these people and much as I want them to clean up they just physically can't get out of their own way um fire department's been out there police department and that these homes are not safe to be in to to they're not
habitable but they're there if it was a rener we could go after the owner the landlord to put them up to fix them I'm kind of in a in a pickle here of how we should proceed
and we don't have to come up with a decision tonight but I would it's it's good we need to talk about a few these in the near future eventually so um taking people to court right finding
them that doesn't really that doesn't do much what about the social worker that came in and spoke with us is that a a resource we could use yeah it's a resour there's I a couple of these examples I have I we and I work with these people the the uh town uh the police uh
clinician the social Elder Services some of the one one of them refuses any any help from anybody MH and it's they've they've lost their their pets they've lost Ian they don't have electricity they're just they're living
in a shell it's it's a very tough tough right situation and it's going to be tough if something ever happens to that person in that house and they come back and say well you knew about this why didn't you do something about it I it's
something I want to kind of move forward in my new not my new role but as I I I don't want to publicly shame anybody ever but sometimes just bringing them in might just kind of get them
that oomph I I don't know it's yeah I don't think I don't think making a public issue out of it like that would that would make it worse yeah I think what about uh look Social Services it must be Social Service that could help us out I think they would be more
qualified than we are right yeah but they the some of these people don't even W anything like I had one home I had I got approval from the the Town Administrator to wave all the fees for a
dumpster I had a company volunteer their time not even in the house just outside and they wouldn't let us do anything it it's so I'm
like what do I do now and I know financially I can't I it's just something I I I want to think about we don't we're not going to be we're not goingon to be able to figure it out tonight but we're going to need to talk about it we're going to need
to it's going to come back one day okay well we'll put it on to the agenda for the next meeting however is there something that needs to be dealt with imminently in other words there someone in danger that we need to address tonight could could we
re contact that those that lady that came in and spoke with us and see what her suggestions are could we can yeah we could have I think that would at least maybe help point us in the right direction yeah because I can see how
frustrated you'd be but at the same time realistically it it's sort of beyond our I can't tell somebody ofview I can't tell someone how to live in their own home right and and we're not psychiatrists either you know we're not
going to you know from a psychological point of view I think that's how we we need to approach it though from a social and psychological perspective rather than a a law enforcement approach and one of my suggestions last year is with
these um with these Grand funds setting aside x amount of dollars and working with uh one of the the Robert Meow brothers disposal somebody for dumpsters to let
them do it on their own or get get help with the Buried and treasures program say all right we'll we'll get you a dumpster for x amount of time if you start helping yourself and then get with social workers help clean up like that that that was one of
thought I had one of the things in my neighborhood there was and and still is a hoarder what finally intervention worked was the family getting the family involved and I will say part of it I think was from the aspect of salability
the house whenever that that event occurred that she was no longer in the house the two main homes that I think of they don't have family so no family no family it's very sometimes it's a lonely person on their own me they don't they may may not
recognize they they have a mental disorder or they just don't want to help with it or whatever it's tough difficult um so once again is there something that we need to do tonight is someone in in danger we're concerned right now otherwise we'll just put it on the
agenda I'll put on the agenda for next week but yes we need it sooner than later we need to address okay one of the issues the two we is okay yeah and um you as you said see if would you like me to bring them in or do we just want to
make a a a discussion bring who in bring the homeowner in no no no no think that would be just demeaning to them I think right yeah right right that's what I wanted could bring someone in because they're suffering from psychosis or from
depression or yeah paranoia that would just be an embarrassment to them I think bar um could you social worker yeah I agree with you maybe see if you want to come in again we're going to have a discussion that night yeah could you
look at other towns on the cape and see what how they're dealing with it I mean is this are there some best practice some evidence-based intervention kind of it's usually through yeah it's they have a policy or some sort of I can reach out to Outer Cape Healthcare see if they
want to come in that that would be a good one who is it Outer Cape Healthcare they they do have a lot of resources with where are they they're out of harwitch it's um Outer Cape Healthcare yeah Outer Cape Healthcare is that a a a public no it's a private private it's
private who supports them I'm not for sure but it's are there are there government agencies that would support that sort of thing yeah can we so you think it's worthwhile talking to them about it yeah I can I can talk to Bri
and see what kind of resources she has talking to anybody can I help you with that if you need I can reach out back out to you this week glad to help you with it yeah yeah well and see if any of the other towns have been dealing with this and how every town deals with it it's just well let's see how they're dealing with it see if any of them have
something away that seems to have worked for them you know or some Partners in it that have helped okay uh the other thing uh weac they need a representative from the Board of Health they meet uh one
Wednesday a month from 5: to 6 you can either do it in person or Zoom they're looking for a representative what is that we yarma substance abuse Community apparently I did it for a few years yeah represent the board on it they're looking for a rep from one of
you folks so what's involved with that just it's a Yarmouth substance abuse Community it's one one day a month five to six it's either in person or what would what would the how would we be able to help I am honestly I'm not for
sure I it's um fire department is there some fire department police department some in there it's a health issue I went for several years for that representing on on that from our point of view uh was going for a while and
uhuh okay it's but they they share statistics about overdoses and uh alcohol related issues drug related issues proposal there's been some money coming through that committee I'm not for sure there's one person designated
to lead it uh it's a very zoomable meeting to be part if you didn't want to make the trip there um so uh I guess we need one volunteer and maybe a backup meetings were about two hours at
most and they said five to six on a Wednesday once a month I I'm happy to be a a backup but honestly I don't think I can consistently attend all of them
um um I don't know if it falls upon me just because nobody's doing it as cheer I guess or we can do a pull it out of the Hat um could you do like would it be worthwhile to Charlie what about you you you haven't bit on any boards one where they meeting what's that where do they
meet 5 to you beet the police station that's where I used to go 5 to 6 p.m. meeting Wednesdays yeah 5 to 6 police station police station unless they changed it Eric did you go before me or after me after you yeah I had it was all Zoom when I was okay yeah I was going
you go in the lobby of the police department and this large room on the right side right near where the people drop off their medicine in that big sign me up we'll see what happens it's pretty straightforward I'll get you the information Charlie thank you thank you Charlie gone so I could
probably they hand them out there it's not a problem but it's um anyway no that's great thank you that's all I have for new business or old bus new business people okay if we do March 31st that's two weeks for next meeting I have an old
business though one more I'll make it quick I'm still waiting to hear about the um you're waiting to hear about the committee that I've been put on because I'm now hearing from other members about when we're going to convene I'm not
convening it Jay said he wasn't convening it he was going to be on it as a member so do we know who is convening the plastic reduction committee kind of embarass I know it's Mark and Jay are talking in it so they
haven't communicated that to me I'll find out okay thank you Barry so right now no one's leading it okay there's been nothing except that email from Jay saying these are the me and I did ask him last meeting who's convening and he said he didn't know but it wasn't him so
and now I've I've had a couple of emails from other members asking me right yeah and I don't know I just said I'd ask again so the 31st it would be the Fifth Fifth Fifth Monday so we they're just
Happ it's okay that'll be different and 14 yeah um Board of Health has this room booked the first and third Monday of each month right so the 31st wouldn't be considered okay the next one would be
April 7th April 7th okay so I can I can try what do people want to do well if you can try because the next rack meeting it was there wasn't one tonight is April 7th and I always have to leave early because of this meeting because
they go from Florida it wouldn't offset the others it still would be April oh you're saying we don't have April 7th booked yes April 7th is booked but Hillard was saying March 31st I was just going two weeks and that's inter Reon I
I'm just saying if we could do it March 31st instead of April 7th right isn't that what you're saying so you want at the not having that first Monday then yeah I mean that would just mean I didn't have to get you know so you would eliminate the seventh Al together and
still reconvene on what is that April 21st March 3 31st and then April yeah then the two weeks later two weeks later it would offset everything right no no
it'll be back to the regular schedule so it would be April 21st so it' be three weeks in between then the next two okay there' be three weeks either way whether we do it now or then yes but three weeks now would keep you on your schedule
because you're with me it's yeah I mean whatever that time whatever works I don't know if there the room's open that day Mary you're the one who's putting a lot of effort into this in the other committee what what ideally what would
it be well Pi up a lot me at that but it doesn't matter I mean I leave early I leave early it's just that I kind of feel badly because I missed some of the discussion right whatever we want to push our meetings back to 5:30
then I would but I'm not going to I think I'd probably be the only one that would do it and I'd only want to do it because of this rack meeting um I don't mind 5:30 you don't mind 5:30 D we're going back to 5:30 are you should no we're not
no okay let somebody decide what we want whatever you want no I just feel badly about you that's all you know what no one has complained because I have to the meetings early so I'm just going to say okay so it would be helpful if he gets
back on the regular schedule our regular schedule would be April 7 7th okay so why don't we do that okay good at 5 o' five nice li like that okay um in future people need you can always ask you want
to change the meeting time but that's up to them um okay are we done with new and old guess so one more item then somebody I move we adjourn second okay third fourth all in favor say I I everyone
want okay good thank you everyone everybody be glad to help you bury on thatting thing if I can recording stopped