recording in progress. Okay. And call to order the April 6th, 2026 meeting of the board of health. So as for attendance, everyone is here.
Larry >> and public comments. So there's anyone who lives in town or owns a business in town, this would be a time to come forward. I would probably the best thing
is to do for anything besides um something to do with nicotine or tobacco. It's on the agenda. I don't know if that's why you're >> you want me to wait for that part of the meeting? >> Yeah, but it's further down if you know it can be tight on your schedule. So
absolutely uh we can speak now. Okay. Well, I'd like to first of all, my name is Mary Van. I am the president and CEO of the Yarmmouth Chamber of Commerce. Thank you um for allowing me to speak. I do have a statement to read in regards to the proposed nicotine uh free
generation uh regulation that you are considering from the board of directors. If you don't mind, I'd like to move it now. >> Great. We'd like to begin by acknowledging the positive working relationship that we have had with the board of health over the past several years. We've collaborated successfully
in several initiatives. One of the most recent being the revision of the singleuse plastic containers for our food establishments in an effort to have a thoughtful balance between public health, environmental goals, and business operations.
We value this partnership in the ability to work towards an effective solutions. We respect the board's commitment to the public health and agree that preventing youth access to nicotine is important. Our schools and communities have made
meaningful progress in education and awareness and we support those continuing efforts. In fact, according to the 2024 data from the CDC, overall youth nicotine and tobacco use has declined roughly 70%
over the last 25 to 30 years and is now at its lowest level in decades. That progress reflects the impact that the education enforcement in the existing regulations have. However, we are seriously concerned
about the proposed nicotine-free generation regulation and the broader impact to our business community. Many of our local businesses have already come before you to express their concerns. They are small local operators
working hard to comply with the existing regulations. To date, there has been no pattern of a consistent illegal sales in the town of Yarmouth. When the violations occur, they are addressed through enforcement,
which raises an important question as to whether additional regulations are really necessary at this time for a legal product that already has restrictions of the age of 21 and over. While it has been suggested that this
proposal initially affects a small number of individuals, the reality is that it impacts every licensed retailer in Yarmouth as well as the residents and the businesses, excuse me, visitors that support these businesses. These
purchases are also not made in isolation. Customers that go in for these products often queue up their vehicles. They're buying food and beverages and this would be reducing the activity to overall sales, foot traffic
and the overall economic stability for those businesses. We have heard comments that the revenue for these businesses will have a gradual decline. Even a gradual decline in the revenue of will have real consequences
for these small businesses already working within small margins. This is especially concerning to our business community who continues to navigate significant disruptions with the ongoing wastewater project and the
impact that it already has reducing access visibility and customer traffic. It is important to recognize that Yarmouth's commercial base is also 4% or lower, which is significantly lower than any
comparable communities surrounding us. This means that our town relies heavily on the small number of businesses that support our local economy. Policies that further strain these businesses risk compounding an already fragile economic
structure. We would also like the board to consider the broader policy implications. Many legal products, excuse me, such as sugary beverages, alcohol, watery pro um products carry
known public health risk. Yet they are regulated through an established frameworks rather than prohibited by future generations. And this raises an important questions about consistency and where such
decisions will be made the beginning and where do they end. Importantly, the businesses impacted by this regulation will be able to clearly document and demonstrate by a percentage of the losses that they will incur by
this regulation. We would respectfully ask you, will there be an equally clear and measurable way that you will be able to demonstrate this regulation will directly reduce youth nicotine use in Yarmouth.
We urge the board to reconsider this approach and evaluate the economic impact on our local businesses before moving forward. Once a legal product is restricted in this way, it sets a precedent that is difficult to reverse
and one that places an additional burden on our very small businesses that are working hard to sustain our local economy. Thank you for your consideration. >> Do you have questions for us? Do you have any questions?
>> Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Can you hear me? Just want to take me someone else about to speak, but yes, you'll go next. How's that? >> Uh, yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Tom, I just want to make a point. Uh, there's an audio problem with channel 8 and I
had to zoom in because it's un you can't even hear it. So, I don't know if you can relay the message, but it's uh it's very clearly aable. Thank you, Mr. Absolutely. Thanks for trying over my head. Anyone know how to
fix this problem? >> The man behind the door, Larry. Thank you. No, I I think um from the chambers's perspective, we're just trying to understand, we certainly respect what you're trying to do.
I I spoke with Mary Craig last week. My father died of lung cancer. I know what it can do, but this is a legal product and we're just curious why the board would consider such a thing when it doesn't seem to be an issue in town.
when it will have such a negative impact on our small businesses. This is a legal product for someone over the age of 21 and in 5 years it'll be somebody that's 25 26 that will not be able to buy this product in Yarmouth and
they will just drive to the surrounding towns and spend their money. >> Why why is this not an issue in town? In other words, thought you said it's not an issue. >> Correct. So I'm asking why we're looking
to impose such a regul meeting and my Easter was reading the minutes to the meetings and watching the videos. So, right, >> um I try to inform myself as much as possible and I wish I knew that this discussion was happening um prior to a
few weeks ago when um Barry was in our office. Um so I was catching myself up on that because I can't watch every board of health planning board meeting, zoning board meeting. Um so
>> that's why we are before you tonight. >> How are we doing soundwise? I he muted everybody. So we're okay. The people are there. >> They're all muted now. >> Cable channel. It should be fine now. >> Zoom is fine.
>> Great. Thank you, Liam. >> I I I think that the um the intent of this nicotine-free generation is to keep people from starting smoking
rather than keeping matter rather than stopping people who are already smoking. It's not stopping any of those folks, but it is keeping people who aren't yet able to smoke from smoking once they
even become of what the legal age is right now. It's discouraging them from starting to smoke. Um, >> but that's going to be long before they're 21. So, I'm curious if you've
brought the schools in and talked to them about their educational programs, wouldn't it be better to educate at a younger age instead of impacting our local economy in such a way? And and again in my
statement the question is will you be able to measure a year or two from now and clearly tell us that you have been able to reduce the use of nicotine
among youth? Will you be able to do that by regulating these businesses from not selling this product which is a legal product? Certainly on a state level it could determine percentage uh changes. I don't
know if Yarmouth has the kind of money to be investigating that and you know get objective information. So I don't think the town necessarily could tell you that. I could tell you the U Chan Public Health School at
Harvard just came out with a study and actually nicotine use has gone up from 18 to 25 year olds. has gone up uh very different than uh combustible I guess you know tobacco means smoking
cigarettes which has gone down so I would really encourage the board to talk to the schools what programs are I would rather see you work on educational programs when they're at a younger age and see if there's a way you can make an impact that way
unfortunately education has not been that successful But other public health strategies have been and then this NFG is one of the newest strategies that is being tried.
But we have participated in education particularly when vaping became the thing. Um and I'm not I'm not denigrating education. Um my masters in public health is in health education. I believe in it but it isn't really the
most effective way that um the smoking issue has been addressed and how how harmful it is personally as well as to society in terms of the costs of the care that people need uh when they
suffer the the bad effects of smoking. And I can tell you as a mom of two and a grandmother and someone who worked in a school system for 15 years, I would disagree that education um does make a
difference. And um I I would love to see you talk to the schools and see what they say. I've talked to parents from DY who say that smoking is not even something that most of the kids even consider anymore, but I
can't speak on their behalf. No. And I I I when I watched your meetings recently, I also heard of um a young girl purchasing a vape illegally, right? I mean, those are things that will happen
if you ban these products in town. I think the risk is even higher if you do it, but that's my personal opinion, not from the chamber. But I I you know, just like the reduction of the single-use plastic containers, the chamber was
willing to work with you and come up with a compromise. And I hope you will consider that if you are really looking at making this regulation because I am seriously concerned about the businesses that have been before you. They are so
stressed right now with this wastewater project and to put this regulation against them. I understand completely where you're coming from, but I hope you understand they are open their business under the um
you know impression that they were always going to be able to sell this product and not have something like this come down the road. That is not something you build into your business plan that oh the town is going to take away one of the highest revenue products
that I am able to sell. So, I want you to strongly consider that these are people's livelihoods, their employees. And I know you've heard this over the last several months, but I am stressing this from the board
and for myself as a resident talking about. So we gonna continue this now the discussion now or we gonna how do you want to handle us? I mean are we gonna still discuss it >> in order that we have it on the >> we can we can change that. Um I only
feel badly if there's someone who scheduled up and is going to have to wait here a lot longer. So we could yeah that's the reason I was encouraging not to do that in public >> uh hearing here. Um public comment rather. So does board have a preference? we can
put a hold on to the schedule and come back into the a discussion on it and get back on the agenda or not. We have someone here make a presentation. Is that correct? >> I I think we should go ahead on with the regular agenda. >> I I think too if someone's waiting and
they were on the schedule, they came in time. Um so I agree with you, Larry. Get back on the schedule. Well, it I I just had some comments to make, but I was going to refrain from the comments until it came up on the schedule or if we were
going to deal with it now, I would go ahead and make the comments now, but I'm happy to wait. >> Okay. >> Okay. Let's put a hold on it then. Um, any other, you know, public comments? Um, >> we have Stephen Heer out there. I don't
know if it's about the NFG or if it's just a public comment. So, >> no, it's about the generational tobacco and nicotine ban. >> So, we can wait until we're going to wait until um that comes up in our agenda. It's one, two, five or six down. So,
>> yeah, it's going to be some time. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. So, see if you can stay with us then. Um, anyone else public comment? This is the time. Any hands up over there? >> Same on those just up. So, no.
>> Okay. So move on. Number four here is the Weissack presentation. Barry, maybe you could just introduce us to what we're about to hear and and if someone's here to come forward. >> Yeah. Um Annie and is here with the uh
the special victims unit um PD to talk about the Weissac and the programs they have coming up. So I'd like to thank you for coming and taking your time out. You both want to introduce yourselves and we can go from there. >> Sure. Thank you for having us. We're happy to be here to talk about WeAC tonight. I'm Annie Catalano and my
daytime job is a victim advocate with the Yarmouth Police Department. And I'm here tonight to talk about Weissac as one of the co-chairs. >> And my name is Don. I am here um with a couple different hats. Parents supporting parents, also on the board for Yarm Substance Awareness Committee,
also a mother here in town who lost her son to fentin. So, >> thank you both for coming in. So this is just our our uh Weissac mission, but essentially we are a group of volunteers, people with lived experience, people have been directly
impacted by substance use disorder or professionals who work in the field, residents of Yarmouth who care about this um this topic. And so we meet um once a month on the second Wednesday of the month at the Yarmouth Police Department as well as on Zoom at 5:00 and we welcome anybody that would like
to come to a meeting to learn about what we're doing. We look at what are the trends happening in the community. We look at what are the concerns in terms of excuse me alcohol and drug use, any sort of new um any new trends that we're seeing as well as any concerns that
people might have. And then we also I'll talk a little bit in a second. We also like to be out in the community um engaging with families uh people of all ages around this topic and being able to get information out there to people that need it. Okay, this is just a list. I'm not going to go through all this, but of
all of our um steering committee voting members um and we are very happy to have uh the board of health representative that we haven't had in a while. So, we're happy to have you guys as part of our meetings. We have first responders on here. We have um people who work in harm reduction aid support group of Cape
Cod at the Duffy Health Center. Um we have people again with lived experience. We have parents like Don who have lost a child. We have people who work in the faith community. So, a quite a variety um across all different professions um in the town of Yarmmouth that um feel
passionate about this topic and that want to be uh part of how we're moving forward in the community. So, these are just a couple of silly pictures that we like to take, but essentially we have um we've got some great swag of uh information that we can
hand out as well as things like bubbles for little kids to play with and uh like stress balls and things like that, pens, whatnot. And we try to go to different community events. It's not always something that people want to talk about at these kind of events. So, we try to have those fun giveaways and lots of
good information so that if somebody is there and wants to talk to us or maybe they don't want to engage in that moment, but they want to have information they can take back with them to give to a family member or a friend who they might be concerned about, we try to make it relatively easy to interact with us. Um there's National
Night Out is up there and Don's event on the beach every year. Um and then Kelly's at 4C's there. So, we do a lot and the um the seaside event uh every year. So, thank you. Okay. Um, and so the other thing I wanted to just share with you tonight is that we have been
tasked with overseeing uh applications for the opioid opioid remediation funds that have come out through all the lawsuits over the last three years and will continue to come out over the next several years. Um, and we have taken all the applications under advisement. We
formed a subcommittee of people from Weissac who review all the applications, review what the requirements are, what each agency or entity is trying to do with the money, and then we vote um on how to distribute the money. So, anything that is helping someone,
supporting someone in treatment or in their recovery, connecting them to care, addressing criminal justice involvement, pregnant and parenting, women and families, um, and any sort of prevention, education, harm reduction, those are kind of the key elements of
what we're looking for when someone is requesting this money. And this is again just a bunch of boring numbers, but it just kind of shows you over the years all the different lawsuits that are potentially coming. Um, and we don't always know when the money's coming. So, we uh just check in
with the the town about that, but we um have received sort of I think what's up there. The 57 the first year, the 66 the second year, and 25 the next year. So, um I think on the next slide it will show you um oh, this is just what our committee has done like I just mentioned, reviewing
the applications, making sure they qualify for the funding. And then this is the first year where we gave money to um an alternative peer group which is uh teens impacted by substance use disorder, the recovery support navigator program through the town, the aid support group of Cape Cod who's helping
with harm reduction and basic needs supplies and Yarmouth comprehensive treatment center which is a local methadone clinic um and that provides transportation for patients to get their medication every day. And then the next year um very similar um applications with the addition of parent supporting
parents which Don is here representing. Um and they provide scholarships for people who can't afford to pay for sober housing. So to go out of treatment to the next step into sober living it gives them I believe it's two weeks, right? >> It does. Yes. Two weeks to um kind of
get settled into their sober housing before they can kind of get on their feet. And then I think the most recent one is again same same agencies for the most part some slightly different projects but again we're we're working on harm reduction prevention education and basic needs um and making sure that
people can get to treatment when they need to. And I think that's is that the last slide? Okay. So that's it. So again, thank you so much for having us here tonight. Um and we're happy to answer any questions that you guys may have. >> What's the best way for the poll to keep track of what you're doing?
>> Well, I'm sorry. What was that? the best way for the public to keep up to date with what you're doing. >> So, we have um a we have social media. We have a website on the town um town of Yarmouth website. We have our own Weissac page. Um and then they can come to any meetings that we want and we've
been posting our agendas and meeting minutes on there as well. That's a relatively newer thing we've been doing the last several months. So, people can have that information. But again, we welcome anyone to come to our meetings that wants to learn more um or that wants to talk about what we're doing or
ask questions or have a need that they want to share. Um and most recently, we've been trying to have somebody come to each monthly meeting um and give a presentation about what their agency does in the community. And I feel like that's been I think it's been helpful to kind of have that information. Yeah.
>> And the location of the meetings. >> Oh, thank you. Um we're in person at the Yarmouth Police Department um the second Wednesday of every month at 5:00 PM and then we're also on Zoom and the Zoom link is on the website as well. >> Any questions? I know you gave a great
presentation a couple years ago, I think, wasn't it? >> Yes, I think it's been a couple years since we >> was two years. Yeah. Are you going to do that memorial again this year? I know last year you had a memorial service for >> So, yes. So the purple flags that you see every August out front, those are my
flags. I put those out and then I do every August 31st, which is International Overdose Awareness Day, I do the event on Smugglers Beach every year. So yes, that will be every August 31st. >> Okay. Appreciate you coming in. Public
listening learns. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, fifth item is plastic waiver and variance requests and fact first is
popular Genos looking for a variance. >> Very good. >> Yes. So, >> we're we're full force with the uh the single-use plastic reductions. Um, a lot of the uh establishments um are coming in
compliance. There's a few that um Papuccinos and Old King's Coffee here tonight that are just looking for a waiver for a temporary waiver for some products. So, um we'll uh let them give
their speech real quick and let us know why they're here. So, welcome aboard. Thank you. >> Thanks so much. Thank you for having us. Uh my name is Peter Gillespie from Papuccinos. here with Michelle Okonnell from Papuccinos as well. Michelle is an area manager for the Cape Restaurant on here. So, she is uh here uh as this is
her location and what we want to talk about is really about the partnership that we've had with Philip from uh the board of health team working with us to really give us good guidance so that we are able to you know provide and comply with right what these regulations
entail. Uh and what we've done is we've put together through the current items that we have been already changing and source replacement for. And we're looking for a variance and extension so that we can make sure
that for the items that we have to now replace that are not only the right for the actual regulation, but also safety is part of it too because we serve hot foods and we want to make sure that we have safety in mind. We want to
also make sure that there are, you know, cost considerations also because some of these products are quite expensive, you know, compared to what we currently have. And then also to meet the resin classifications at one through five, making sure that we are compliant with that.
So there are items that we've already made uh and sourced replacements for which we've already talked to Philip about which has been great and that's you know our carry out for our large orders and that's you know paper bags replaced you know what our plastic bags
were at one point. We also have uh we have plastic catering platters with lids and catering bowls with lids and those have been replaced also uh to get those out of the system so that we can really you know jump on this as quick as we can. But the main goal here is again you
know being that partner in the community making sure that we're here that we work with Philip and with Barry and his team to make sure that we are you know hitting that compliance as well. Uh one thing that was really helpful is Barry you had sent out a list of you know
purveyors right triark and all these other companies where we can source from WB Mason and the good news is we do work with WB Mason and we also work with Trimark we've gotten products in from them and also from Cisco which is our lead distributor as well so working with
our purchasing team and working with them to bring the products in to be able to do that >> it's a short list but uh if you can find other establishments that can help you out that's wonderful And if you get those to me, I can put them on that list and we can get that
out to other people also. So I >> it's a team effort. So I appreciate that. >> Exactly. Right. >> So what we're looking for is we're looking for really for an extension of time so that not only can we get the products, we want to test the products to make sure that they will hold up. An
example is we did bring in a sule cup and the sule cup actually melted with the product that was in. The sule cup had barbecue sauce in it which was room temperature. Um and because it was
with wings, the cup actually melted. So these are some of the concerns that we have to make sure that what we're bringing in is going to hold up over time so that the guest experience someone's getting food delivered to them or getting is going to be the right experience for them so that
uh you know we can keep you know providing that service also but with confidence that what we serve you is going to be exactly what you ordered as part of it. Can you give uh the board a list of what you are looking for and what you've
already replaced? >> I have it right here for everybody. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Great. Thanks. >> You're welcome. I know a lot of uh the the bigger distributors like if you ask for sample
um not even cases. You want one? Can Sarah get one else please? Um that they can give you like three or four samples of each one. I sometimes like it might just have to be a case but say Cisco um I know they provide a lot
to a lot of different restaurants. If you can talk to your the local Cisco rep, say, "Hey, can you bring us a sample of X and then maybe give it to four other restaurants that you're servicing also? That could help also." >> Absolutely.
>> Y absolutely. And that's a it's a great point because that was what just happened with that sule cup for us. We actually brought it into the restaurant. We brought a couple of samples and then we got a guest complaint that night because when they opened up their chicken tenders,
it melted, right? The actual cup melted. So, I even have a picture of it, too, if you wanted to see that. But, >> um, part of that. So, >> um, I have a question. These catering platters with lids. Yes. Um, >> are they black plastic or are they clear
plastic? They they were right, Michelle. >> They're black at the bottom and the clear top, >> right? >> Which is why we replaced those. They're no longer in the restaurant at all. >> Perfect. >> So, we're going >> and the other piece that you see that
catering. So, the catering bowl lid in that platter. There's also another platter and that was for the desserts for display of desserts. And even though it wasn't black, it was white, but it still did not meet the resin code. We review and we remove that one as well from the restaurant.
>> So you replace the catering bowl with 10 foil pans. >> The catering lid replaced with a foil lid. All right. >> Yes. >> Um which items you >> which one are you looking to replace >> that? That second that second column. >> Oh, the cater the the fork and spoon.
>> Spork. Yes. >> Now are those like serving ones or those >> That's exactly right. It's a serving. >> Big ones. >> It's a serving. That's correct. >> Um and then the 3.5 portion cups. You're looking for a waiver on extension till you find something. The lids. >> Mhm.
>> 24 ounce bowls. What is that? What are those for? >> Those are for we serve our pasta, our hot pasta in those as well as our salads as well. It's a combination bowl. >> Um and the the fork, knife, and spoon. >> Yes.
Those are bio those are biodegradable. plant-based and we already have those in the restaurants. >> We already have those. So, >> you're basically looking for the the bowls, the lids, >> correct? >> Cups. >> So, the portion cup with lid, the 24 oz
bowl with lid, and the catering fork is really what we're we're looking for to service. >> Have you tried You said you got in one one one product and it melted. Have you tried to get other products in? We have many.
Yes, we have. Um and what we have coming in on the ETH, which is I think Wednesday, we have products from Trrimark coming in and also from Cisco that are coming in. >> So So you're you're working on it. You're >> Oh, absolutely. Thank you. >> Yes. >> All right. I have a question for everyone. Um and
it's an overall question a little bit. Uh we're just starting this. Uh the board of health did not write the regulation. We were gifted with uh having to enforce it. So, and
it it was written by everyone from town. In other words, it represented some different aspects in town, which was great. I thought they did a great job. The question is, what do we do now? Is each week there's a trend happening of people
coming in uh with requests. And I say this all the time. We just want to treat everyone equally and it's early in the process of having people come in. My concern is make sure we're doing the
right thing. Um is there an issue with the regulation if there's so many people coming in? Um are there not enough options of what people can use? I mean, um, that's one of the concerns I have
that's not directed sure to a view really. Um, I guess it's for the board and the public. You know, here in your application, you know, I circled four no suitable alternative products. So, that's kind of
disturbing to me is saying what should we be doing here? >> If replacements are not available, then do we need to look at the regulation? If something doesn't exist, who are we to say you have to use something that's not available?
>> I don't know enough about the details >> of the different types of plastic. And there was a lot of thought that went into this. So that's my main concern right now. And if we have to change something, we need to be doing it now. We're finding out more because we're
just starting this. Um I don't have the answer to that. I'll be happy to hear any thoughts that people have. I I have a question. Um on the waiver request form talks about the pasta bowl and lid. >> Yes.
>> And that is something you need you're still looking for a replacement for. >> That is correct. Yes. >> But the dessert tray and lid. I thought you said you had taken care of that. >> We have taken care of that. >> That again we were working on this right up until today. We have >> really worked
>> and I know that the three three and a quarter or 25 cup and lid. You're still working on >> the application came in before this list came in. >> Yeah, understand. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, you're you're just looking for the items that vary >> the catering fork and >> fork and spork. >> The 3.25 ounce portion cups. 3.25 ounce portion cup and lids.
>> And that's it. Right. or in the bowls >> in a 24 oz bowl with food. That is correct. >> Yes. >> But and you just said you have more products coming in this week test. >> Absolutely. >> I mean are other stores are they using other products to meet these needs of
these size um cups or bowls? I mean is there some you know if the stores are spending more money on this you know it needs to be >> yeah so >> no equal >> I have not come across it yet so maybe they have maybe they are waiting to for
another that's why I was mentioning if you do find if you find a product that's similar and I've been asking all our establishments this if you find somethingare >> share it with us so we can share it with the entire town um that so it's out there Um we all have to work together on
this. >> I think when people are aligned it's going to help especially with more people doing but there is that cost there is a significant for these products. >> So ag green on any box or any case is just automatic going to be >> and I know like a lot of the
>> they put their barbecue sauce and stuff in the portion cups. Um >> that's probably a lot less expensive than doing the individual packets. We actually we do both actually. >> We do both for that reason. You know,
>> I know some like um in our on our board um Porsche Cups were were brought up a couple times, but it was for cold products um in like for bagels, bagels and beyond. They put
their cream cheeses in them. They weren't putting it next to a screaming hot chicken fingers where apparently that's where you put them next to and that's >> that's how it happens. So >> it's and that three and a quarter ounce portion cup with lid for us. That is our
marinara sauce goes into that >> which is hot >> which is hot because we serve it with our bread sticks and we serve it with mozzarella sticks and we serve it with all kinds. So that is our critical one that we're making sure that makes sense, right? So it's going to hold up. We're not going to worry about the melting and
then, you know, someone could get burned or or there's a problem there. >> Now, the the catering fork of sport. >> Yes. >> I was just thinking like if I order it, I I have stuff at my house, but you probably do stuff for people that
>> or businesses >> businesses. Uh correct. >> On vacation that catering experience is all about you call us, we take care of everything for you. I never I never even thought about asking because I've talked to a lot of these distributors about products and
stuff like that and I been in the business and I never even thought about a a a catering fork or sport. >> Yeah. >> You don't think about that until the >> you need it and then so I haven't asked that. So hopefully they'll be coming out
with some stuff like some replacements for that. I'd say it's up to the board to make their decision on what they want to do. So >> I mean this is difficult for the you know owners. It it's very costly materials >> um that
business eats it or the customer does. It's got to come from somewhere and that's a major burden and it start it wasn't gradual. Suddenly January 1 you're on you know uh it's a big big deal. But we have given people a grace period
to use up what they have on hand and to be start looking for replacements. So do you have any sense for how long it might take before you can maybe find some? >> What I would say that um what we're look what I'm concerned about is bringing
those products as we enter into the season >> during that busy period, right? The restaurants are right full out. Want to make sure they're given the best service. We're not worried about something that's going to melt or something that could come back and become a problem and that type of thing. So, what I was looking at is we are,
like I said, products are coming in. We have them coming in the test kitchen. We're testing them. I'm then going to give them to Michelle to some of her busier locations and let's look at a weekend looks like. How do these things hold up, right? What are some of the And then at that time, we're also getting cost implications and that type of
thing. So, what I was looking for is um you know, six months. Can we get a six-month extension so that we can really put everything to test and understand? And in that time also, Barry, to your point, there may be someone else right in town that would
say, "Hey, geez, this is really a great product. We use it for the same purpose. This could help us." >> It might come sooner. I mean, I think it looks like you've done a good job trying to replace everything that you can. Um, and in the past, we did allow the first
There's only been two come in um until after the summer month to um to come back and tell us that they hopefully had found a substitute for these other things. So I'm fine with allowing that for
also >> to call that a motion. >> I move that >> a deadline to it. Yeah, I I I move that we accept the um the request from Papagenos to continue looking for um a small amount of
replacement goods um that will meet the plastic reduction regulation um and give them until October to come in in first part of October and talk with us again about what they've been able to do.
Second. >> Okay. Any other discussion with it? >> Um, Phil, all in favor say I. So, >> okay. Good news. >> My only request is if you do find a great product. Yes.
>> Please let us know. Let Phil know. Let bring a sample to we have a little library going on in the in the office of of stuff that is acceptable, not acceptable. So, if you find something that again, we're all kind of working on this together. So I appreciate it. >> Appreciate the partnership. Thank you so much.
>> It's a big deal. So please, if you find something that would help, >> we'll do. >> Okay. >> Also, that's great. >> Thank you very much, guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, >> the next one for the plastic waiver is
uh Mark from Old King's Coffee House. Um looks like they're just looking for a waiver, an extension for cold beverage cups and cold beverage lids. So Mark, please just introduce yourself and >> Good evening. I'm Mark Corass from Old
King's Coffee House. Thank you for uh your time. Um basically um we've worked with Phil. We've been able to get all the products changed out, bags, catering, silverware, um and straws. The
only issue we're having is we buy our um cold cups approximately we have to order them around four months ahead of time just to get them. and you have to order around two ca 200 cases at a time. Um, after COVID, it just went crazy and the
company started requiring you to to buy that much at a time if you wanted the branded. So, right now we're sitting on probably six to eight months worth of cups, you know, in the ballpark of for the two different sizes with the lids, almost
$20,000 worth of cups. Um, so we were looking for about a six-month um, waiver on these um, so that we could use up the stock that we have and um, and we're currently trying to source some cups
that are affordable. The compostable ones are ballpark 300% higher cost. So, as you can imagine, a coffee shop now has to spend $60,000 to order cups, which is significantly
higher. Um, especially, you know, these days, restaurants have taken a super hard hit as of lately. Um, and especially in this very seasonal area, this is this is fairly extreme and um could be fairly detrimental to a lot
of the businesses, unfortunately. I I respect the the reasoning, but it is definitely going to, you know, fall in the lap of the business owner and obviously the consumer, which has been a trend as of the past few years. So, it's
a little scary to be honest. >> Are these branded cups? >> Yes, ma'am. I uh if you don't mind me interrupting, I had a meeting with uh Mr. Bolan, Eric Bolan at Cape Cod Paper um last week
just to ask him just to educate myself and he we he we got on a conference call with one of his purveyors right now to get a compostable labeled cup. This was a week and a half ago. He said if you order they order it
right now it's three months out to get it just because of the u the availability of it right now. He he said he did they didn't know what it's going to be like in three or four months what it's going to be like. So, um even if
Mark went to order more cups right now, I'm not advocating for you, Mark. I'm just saying it's at least four months out before you could even get cups. So, this >> and this the branded cups came up. Um
what how many ounces are these? >> Um 16 and 12 oz. It was the 16 the 12 the 12 the the um folks that were in last time last meeting had found a substitute for the 12 ounce
>> that was Duncan that that's their their private brand. So >> yeah, but they were finding it from a a supply in Rhode Island that wasn't their own private supply but had the materials.
>> Um they were using that Um the 16 ounce was still a problem and of course the branded is going to be more expensive. >> Exactly. >> But there is there is a substitute available for the 12 ounce and if you
could maybe get him in touch with the Duncan person. >> I can get you in touch with them. See >> yeah see what >> we could try. We've I think we're waiting on about three quotes. One came in and it was just >> whale. >> I mean impossible. We would it wouldn't work. you know, um, but it's just it's
it's a little concerning for the businesses because it's a significant increase and we've been pushed and pushed and pushed and, you know, it it's kind of it >> How much stock did you say you're sitting on right now? How many months?
>> About six to eight months worth. >> Need to all come in and order drinks. >> We need to sell a lot of coffee this summer. I have question that I just thought about. Do you do the uh the dome lids also or like none of that? >> No, just flat. >> Flat. Just flat.
>> Sorry, Larry. >> So, here are you emphasizing the cold beverages. Is that more of a problem? >> Yes. Yes. The hot we all we had to do is change the lid for um to white for the for the hot cups. We were already using a compostable lid. Um, so we just
switched over to white. Um, and then the spoons, forks, everything, no big deal. Um, unfortunately, it's just we have to buy so much of the cups in advance. And for some reason, the cups seem to be the highest cost. I don't know, maybe the companies are
taking advantage of of the situation, but I mean, it's it's extreme. >> What ends up being used? the PLA clear plastic cups or what's used for cold you know it's alternatives it's plastic but I mean what
>> it's a compostable it's a cornstarch based >> so that's what people fall back on is that what the best I think they may be available I don't know >> some bamboo being used too >> but I mean the the when we developed the
regulation because Barry and I were on the committee along with um from the chamber. We realized that there would not be substitutes for everything. I mean, we we recognize that
and that's why we put in the part about waiverss. So um but I think the more people that are looking for them and the more demand that there is out there then there will be more the manufacturers willing to
offer products that will not be running a file of plastic reduction regulations. Certainly are other towns where I take out food that they're not plastic containers.
Following up, >> but you you are looking into substitutes once you deplete your stock. >> Yes. Yeah, we have all quotes coming in right now. >> Um and we would just like, you know, to have the option to use the rest of our stock just because it's extremely expensive.
And again, if you do get those quotes and you find one that's like, "Holy cow." If you don't mind sharing it with myself, um, I'll share with the board and we can share with the other establishment. >> We've tried like Cisco stuff like that, the usual tryark stuff like that, but it's it's pretty it's up there.
>> Oh, so let the chamber know. >> All members there will hear about it as well. >> Right. So you indicated you um had a six to eightmon supply on hand now. >> Yes, sir. >> So uh your variance would you want an
eighth eightmon variance or is that what you're looking for tonight? >> I'm coming with my hat in my hand. So whatever whatever you're willing to give us is we we would appreciate. >> You do have a couple other locations too, right? >> Yes. >> You have the hospital and and Dennis.
>> Yes. We have to buy the we have to buy them separate so they have their own stock already too. We thought about giving it to them but we we they already have their their 20 or 200 cases >> but in six months everybody will be depenished a little bit and you could
still transfer some of it over. >> Yes. >> You'd be willing to do that? >> Yes. >> I move that we go ahead and give them the waiver for the um two plastic cups um that they have on hand, but they are pursuing
looking at a substitute. Um again, come back in October and tell us what you found out. >> Awesome. >> Hopefully, we've been able to find some good substitutes that aren't too expensive. >> You think we should just give them the
eightmonth waiver or do you think six months would be? >> I think October. I just soon have everybody come back about the same time. That would be my preference. Keep it, you know, >> similar. >> I second that motion.
>> Okay. Anything else? Anyone? Okay, >> raise your hand if you supporting the motion. We do. Okay. >> Thank you, Mark. >> All right. Appreciate your time. >> Let's hear from you, you learning whatever, and certainly ahead of time before October so we can schedule something. Okay. Great. Thanks for
coming in. Okay, so up to number six here, the septic variance. We haven't had a whole lot of action on the variances for our septic system. So this is Town Fair Tire. So Barry, >> so Town Fair Tire is proposing to come
into the uh station avenue stopot plaza area. I did give you guys an arrow view at the end of the plaza on the south side. There is a grass lot right now that has been on all the plans I have
seen that is been designated a buildable lot. Um Tom Fair Tires coming in. They're looking to um do five bays in there under Mass Title 5 regulations. Since it is a service bay, since it'll
be customers coming in and out, they have to have 110 gallons of flow per bay, which ends up being 550 gallons. um with the I did calculations with all the other um stores in there. Right next
to the stop shop there that has part of the subject system is Verizon. Um couple employees a day. Next to that is a bike shop. I don't think the bike shop's there anymore. I It's empty. So that's empty.
>> Next to that is the running store. Um >> Marathon Sports. >> Marathon Sports. Just a couple employees. Domino's Pizza. Um, I'd say a dozen employees a night, but no public restrooms. Um, Interstate Battery, two
or three employees at a time. The liquor store right there, uh, none of these have public restrooms. The only public restroom is in Stop Shop, which has its own separate system. Um, the liquor store, maybe a half dozen employees at their busy time. um with putting in the
fifth bay, they're going to be going over by 110 gallons capacity per title 5. That's maximum use. Um I see Mark Ashley's has his hand raised up. I'll
let him give more information on this, but they've provided a lot of information in in your packet. It's it's a big packet. It's a very well done packet and it shows at the some of their other locations they are only using 70 gallons 100 gallons
max a day not not even close to the 550. So they're came they're coming in for a variance um for that 110 gallons. So I will let turn it over to Matt Ashley if he's would like to
he's ready. You're muted Matt. There you go. >> Thank you. We can hear you. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes, sir. >> Awesome. Um, yeah. Could I share my screen or have the right to share my screen real quick? >> Liam, do you hear that?
>> Matt, you still there? >> This you get to see my giant floating head. I'm sure >> there you are. >> All right. share my screen. Here we go. >> Liam, can you put that on the new big
monitor too, please? >> Can everyone share uh see my screen? Should be the the Google Maps image right now. >> Y >> awesome. Uh so, thank you for the introduction. I'm Matt Ashley with Bowler here on behalf of Town Fair Tire, the applicant. So that empty parcel um
that was talked about is located right here. Um uh stop and shop and and Verizon both go to a se a separate system out back here. Um and then the remaining units I think they're um you know starting right at this divide here
all go to a separate system which was installed back in 2014. Um, so as part of this uh development, we went out and pulled a whole bunch of different records. Uh, did my Oh, my screen did not change. It looks like
stop sharing. >> He's working on it right now. Sorry about that. There you go. We can see that now. >> There you go. Um, so this is our, you know, conceptual plan for it. Uh, this would go right in right next to the liquor store here. Um, there would be
five bays. Um, I think it was mentioned 110 gallons per bay for a service station. Um, without gas, it, you know, title five is actually 150 per bay. Um, but in reality, um, there's only two
restrooms here. um very low usage. And um as part of our package, we went out and looked at at least five um equivalent stores with five bays and provided all their water cards just to
show kind of what they were using. And as mentioned um earlier in the presentation, um they're all very low usage. on average it was about 76 gallons per day. Um so
significantly different than 150 gallons per bay um per title five as a conservative estimate. Um and this was done you know throughout the New England area and on the Cape as well uh just for comparison. So, as part of this analysis
as well, we also went out and just wanted to see what the existing shopping center was using in those units. Um, back in 2014, find the correct um, you know, was looked at as a total
land area for the shopping center and neighboring joining lot here. Um, is all part of it. And it was found that 5,729 gallons per day could be um put into the ground via septic system. So this is
that um stop and shop system located over here. And then so once you take out the stop and shop, we're left with just about 1,700 gallons for the remaining units over here. So, with that, um, we went and pulled
all the water cards and water informations from your water department, um, over the last year and just kind of wanted to see how they lined up with the proposed conditions when they made these improvements. Generally, it was found that everything was consistent with what
was proposed. Um, you know, as you mentioned, there were some vacant spots um, in here. So, as a conservative measure, we plugged in what those designs were for the vacant retails, added in um Town Fair Tire,
which put our total usage at uh 5,643 um gallons. So, still plus or minus gallons per day less. And that was with taking Town Fair Tires, highest usage. um ironically which was
on the cape uh and tsing that by 200% um per title five requirements. So um happy to go into more details but really looked at the whole shopping center as a whole, the system as a whole and took all very conservative measures for the
existing uh usage here but happy to answer any questions that the board may have here. Um, I understand your business is just changing the tires and maybe uh doing alignment. No other repairs such as or
oil changes. Um, what is the 76 gallons per bay used for? >> Uh, primarily just the the restrooms is my understanding. Um, anything else in the bays would have to go to a tight
tank and and get, you know, brought out separately. >> Okay. So, those gallons are related to the bathrooms. >> Bathroom. Bathroom. Probably an eyewash station. Do you have a shower for emergencies or anything like that or
just a rinse station? Is there anything like that in there? >> Uh, I don't I don't know off the top of my head. um if it's required, I'm sure it's there. Um but it's really just the bathrooms. There's really no other um
water usage besides that. >> I must say that um the paperwork was really really done very well. uh someone paid a lot of attention to detail, provided copies of all the relevant uh you know documents that we needed. U
you went beyond what most people do and trying to figure out the numbers which got down to gallons. So we appreciate that. >> Absolutely. Trying to make everyone's job a little easier and you can make the best decision you can.
I know I brought it up in my uh talking with you before, but the five bays are for maximum work outload. You would need the five the fifth bay, correct? >> Yeah, it's a standard setup. Um so four
would be for tires and then the last one's the alignment rack. Any questions? >> I don't either. This This was great. >> Okay. Just need a motion. We can move along on this. That's for sure.
>> So, I recommend we uh grant a septic variance uh to town fair tire. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. Any discussion? None. All in favor, raise your hand, say I. >> All right. Good luck with the building. >> Thank you, Matt.
>> Awesome. Thank you everyone for your time. >> Okay. Okay. We're up to nicotine free generation discussion. Those people have been waiting for us to get down number seven. I appreciate that.
So, where were we? Larry, I know you perhaps want to make a comment at that point or you just want to know whether we were stopping. I know Mary had been up and talked about education a little bit. >> Yeah. So, um you know, I guess I made my
thoughts clear in the last meeting about uh this issue. My only um my only concerns are um I think that um we heard a very compelling um argument by Mary and we also had a
compelling um presentation by um Attorney Lawler. Uh my my concern is now that we're the only town on the Cape that's proposing this nicotine uh free generation mandate. Is
that correct >> at this point? I believe so. And also um the other point that was made tonight that is significant is the fact that um there's no question that there has been a major disruption in business uh with
this um uh septic uh sewer installation process and certainly that this is a a real relevant issue for our young people. But my thoughts are maybe at this point um we might uh consider
um uh putting a hold on our decision at at this point and and you know only my my main concern is that other towns don't seem to be um going along with this and
it does put Yarmouth kind of in a a pickle as far as the businesses in this town. Um, I think if other towns were um considering it that I'd be more um uh
more of a proponent a proponent of of this policy even though I think it's an excellent policy. I'm not sure it's the timing is very good for for the town of Yarmouth at this point. >> I agree. I think that the time is not
right for this. I would like to see us consider it again next year. Um >> I think that that we also need to have some sort of a consortium with other towns as far as um
this issue goes rather than handicap the arm of businesses with this problem. you know, that's so that's my only concern here, even though I think it's a very very legitimate mandate and I applaud the people that that have uh
brought it up and the 22 towns that have already instigated it, but at this point, I think we would be really handicapping our businesses, you know, so I'd have to sort of back off a little
bit on my on my uh strong feeling as a proponent for this mandate. >> Also, the the 23 towns um we haven't heard anything from them about how it is
actually how it's working in practice, you know, how it is actually >> um helping. >> Yeah. Um so hopefully >> unfortunately >> I think Bob made a really good point in the last meeting about uh these changes
do take place slowly like he pointed out with the uh no smoking in public building. Remember the push back we all got from that. It took a long time you know if you really consider remember the seat belt laws how that was a lot of push back with that you know so these
things do take time. I I I think this is a great proposal and I applaud the people that are really pushing it, but at this point, um, I have concerns, you know, in fairness to our businesses that, you know, we might be just
just imposing a a real hardship on them. I It It's true though, you know, with the um the sewer proposal going through, all the the hassle uh driving down 28, not to mention all the other uh anti not
anti- business, but um um impediments to businesses at this point. Very difficult to to manage a business unless you're really dealing with margins that are really good, really good margins. And I think the kind of margins that these
gentlemen or these businesses are dealing with really does put a a hardship on them to to make them comply to another mandate like this. I wish that our other two members were here to hear them,
>> but I I >> One thing when the plastics was brought up, it struck me a little bit um was that on, you know, January 1, suddenly that was it was a ban
essentially on certain products. And it's in contrast to what we're talking about. Um the way this approach was designed was it to take decades to be fully in place.
Decades. Um very different. Each year there would be uh another group of people who would not be able to buy nicotine. That that's what it would be. Um I you know Larry I agree with you about
the challenges certainly businesswise it's it's hard to balance that you know um the idea of selling toxic substances that cause cancer. It's a big deal >> big deal. I mean these are all known
factors. um people who are smokers for most of their lives have a lower life expectancy by about 10 years. So from the health stand point of view, you're looking what can we do for people living here? They can live another 10 years. That's it's a big deal. That won't
happen for a few decades until this, you know, moved along. Obviously, I think the other point made by both Chamber of Commerce and U. attorney Lawler was we really don't know what the impact of this mandate would be on
trying to I mean I think our hearts are in the right place but we don't know what the impact is it going to really make that much of a difference we don't really know that but we do know it's going to be a impact on the businesses so I guess that's a known and we don't
really know as as was pointed out by both these um opponents that uh there there is some consideration that we have to give to the fact that we don't know what kind of improvement we're going to make with this ruling.
>> Absolutely. It would take years to determine this. >> Not to mention it's a little bit disquing to be the only town on the Cape to you know to to institute this at this point. Um it's true >> the other considerations that I
mentioned. >> It's true. The other argument would be with the flavored tobacco suddenly all the other towns were doing after we decided to move forward on in fact the state did that. Um >> I was hoping Barnstable might take a
little stronger position than they than they did but they didn't. So that leaves us as the only town at this point. >> Okay. I I watched it and they have their mission is very different than ours. Um they felt their responsibility
well you had mentioned this was working out just the differences between residents and the town >> and the residents right >> and they are in a legislative body to promote things or design regulations to protect the health
of the people. So, it's quite different than how we've been conducting business here. >> We don't know how our residences feel about this either, do we? >> Do we? We just have any idea what >> Well, we do in terms of the people that have been here every time we've
discussed it. >> Well, the businesses we do, but what about the general population or the town? >> Well, they haven't come >> come forth, but they know, you know, we've posted on the website people >> Mary finally got the word. somebody told her about it. So,
>> um, >> you know, I think that it would probably be a, you know, people who are strongly for personal rights would have an opinion about it. That's certainly
one issue that comes up with. We did we we addressed that I think at the last meeting I think >> because we're also compromising other people's rights >> when we get into the public health aspect of it and the stress on the healthare system >> smoke goes back a long way
>> so >> as well as the the financial implications for the health care system and health insurance >> my thought is to table it at this point at least for now you know that's sort of want to make that motion. I'll second
it. >> I do. I'd like to make a motion, but I would like to bring it up again at some point in the future, but I make a motion that we we table the our our um mandate of the nicotine-free generation
at this point. I don't know how how quite how to word that. >> How did Larry do? time like you know >> a year maybe a year we'll revisit in a
year >> I second that >> sound reasonable yeah second >> any discussion about it um now we're voting on something I'm sorry we try to give you time to come up I always like people come up um it's for
discussion I think we should postpone having a vote only that we have two people as you point out on this board aren't present. >> Okay. >> Uh we've been December, January, February, March, four months into this. Uh everyone's contributed a lot. Um
people have different opinions on it. Um and so that's my feeling is not to you can withdraw um I guess the motion or we could vote.
That's u that's my opinion. >> What would we vote on? >> Well, we could withdraw the motion meaning not to act on it is one way of doing it. Um or we can certainly vote on it, you know. Um but this is discussion
time and my feeling is it's an unusual generally you have five people here that's all. It's only a five person board. You want to put it off till next week and or next meeting when they're all here, the May 4th meeting when that you have a full board to discuss it
again. >> Hate to put these folks back in in in that position here. >> Yeah, sure. Just want you come you have to come up to the mic and introduce yourself. Absolutely. Uh we're generally
in the middle of the vote. We're not doing it. This is a tough tough issue. You can tell we're working really hard on this. >> My name is Al Naom. I'm one of the owner and resident of Wasyamis here. Uh we have two side on this issue. We have
a business and we have a health. You're right. The health is bad for everything for cigarettes. Smoking it's not not good for you. But there is other stuff is not good for you. McDonald's is not good for you. Drinking is not good for you. Everything a lot of packaged food
is not good for you. Are we going to stop it? What we going to do with it? That's first business. We what we doing when we shifting everything to the different town like few years ago they stopped the cigarella single
hayanis they sell salamon we lost that business but the people went there. What happened is I have one of my customer he used to smoke one cigarette a day. Now he come every other day get the five. He's smoking more. That's not helping.
All what we asking let's study more let's see other town what they're going to do let's see the state what they're going to make a decision on let's see what the effect well let's see what going to you know if it's going to work or not before we make a decision here just so we shifting all the business to
different town we stop the plastic bottle that's good but other town they still have it we lost the business here they took it there so we not improving anything all what we doing we losing the business from Yamis, giving it to
somewhere else. I'm with you. We It's good to do that. It's good to watch. It's good to care about the people of Yianis, but let the people of Yianis decide us. Why we don't put it on the ballot on the on the voting and let's see if they want it or not. Why we going
to be like, you know, a couple people making the decision for 17 or 20,000 people live in Yam. Why we don't do that? I'm with you. But the health department job not to make those decision.
Let the people of Yianis make that decision. The health department should go to the store, should make sure it's clean. They should be on top of everything's the right way, the restaurant, all that stuff. All what they've been doing, they
making decision to hurt the business. And you know, that's what happening here in Giannis. It's going to take another two years for the sewer. Soon as they finish that, they're going to start with sidewalk. So I believe you should, if you decide to push it, you should push it a little
bit longer than one year. At least all the construction will be over. Believe me, I'm not joking. We've been losing money since they start that the sewer
and it's going to be another two years. We can't survive like that. The Yarmas House of Pizza, they just sold it because he couldn't make it anymore. He just sold it last week. He can't because the road closed from Bas River
and from Yiannis. He couldn't he couldn't pay his bills anymore. He sold his business half of what he bought it few years ago. I'm with you. Smoking is not good for you. But let's study it more. Let's see why
we want to start it here in Yarm. It's just we got hurt. Well, you know, even like we have a seasonal time here. We had the summer time. We can make a little bit money. Winter time is slow. We hardly making it.
We hardly like we can survive here in the winter time and on top of that now we have the all the construction please if you push it a little bit let's see what is going to how it's going to affect the whole state whole every other town talk to them they can talk to other
towns see what's happening in there what what did affect them how it if it's work or not before we make a decision if if I live in New Batford I'll say okay that's fine there is other thing there population, high population, you can make money somewhere else with the soda,
with other stuff. You can make some money. But here you cannot. There is like you have very small corner that's you survive or not. I'm not talking just smoke like because of the population and stuff. We're not making that much money.
Not like somewhere else. >> So give us some time. Let's push it a little bit. Let's see what's going to happen in different town and then you guys make a decision on that. Please. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thanks for coming up.
>> Larry, would you consider um withdrawing your motion and just saying that we would like to um >> well, >> you'd like to make the motion again perhaps when the board the full board is
able to be here at the May 4th meeting? I could either do that or withdraw as he'll mention withdraw. Can we withdraw the our >> you can withdraw and then it's it's the motion's dead basically because it
doesn't exist. >> That's only if you want to do that. I mean that's >> but we can revisit it at some point. >> Anytime we want of course. So, I would recommend we withdraw the motion at this point and then we want to revisit it.
We could, but I don't think we should be the only town on the Kate at this point, especially in light of the fact of what's going on here with the uh sewer system. >> Right. But I'd like for the full board to be able to be heard and
>> Okay. So, how would you like me to reward it? >> You can just say withdraw. I think We can look up the technical. >> Okay. >> Withdraw from this. But yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we'll put that on for the next agenda then next meeting. Okay. For
discussion only. >> Okay. >> Thank you for coming in everyone. >> Thank you. >> Okay. We're up to number eight. It's the Creative Regulation Review. Barry, once again, you're on for a couple minutes. What's up?
>> All right. So, um, we did sent the, uh, regulation review to, uh, council. They did make a couple small changes. If you had a chance to read those. Um, this the changes weren't anything but just, uh,
legal terminology. So, if we can just get Sarah has the one to sign. Um, we if you guys want to vote on that. All in favor? So, >> you want us to just move? >> It just needs to be resigned. Yeah.
Accept council's >> I move that we accept the town council's recommendations um for changes to the um board of health regulation prohibiting the manufacturing, sale, and distribution of >> I second.
>> I want to thank the uh local businesses. Okay, just let's finish voting here. Any discussion? >> No. >> Any discussion? Anyone? >> They looked good. What? What? We would >> The town council I thought was actually very helpful and cleaned it up.
>> Quick. >> How about that? >> Yes, I was surprised it came. That's off the record, of course. But yeah, that was great. It came right back. So, all in favor just raise your hand, say I. You're gonna have to sign the paperwork. Okay, good. >> I just want to thank the the local businesses that have removed it from
their shelves as of April 1. I um makes my job a lot easier, Phil's job a lot easier. I appreciate it. I know we put a lot on you, but thank you for taking it off the shelves. So, we appreciate it. So, >> yeah. Yeah, I was just going to say if you're still here, it must be something
else because you're not going to be interested in vaccinations probably for schools right now. So, you're here for a reason. And let's let's let's mix it up here a little bit. Let let the agenda be and let's come on up and say whatever you need to say for sure.
>> Yeah. Uh my name is Vishal Shukla. Uh I'm owning the station evening convenience store as well as the Yamat port village store. Uh so uh we did accept all the rules and regulations for the cratom. Am I right? So
uh after the last meeting I did talk to Barry because we have a lot of products in the store. So, we are slowly getting, you know, either I give it to somebody else or my other stores and everything, but it's not going to be 100% gone. So, how
that's going to impact? >> Make sure it's off the shelves and not available for for sale. It just get it to your other stores as soon as you can. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, >> get it off the shelves. >> Yes. I'm >> I'm doing that right now as we speak you know after the first and just not I took
everything off which is you seen it you know and uh so I just want to make sure that if the products is still in the office do I'm going to penalize >> just no
we we've had this issue with the person who the uh Cape Cod Farms who had personal menthol cigarettes. I I I would suggest
a week to get it to your other stores. I just don't don't even put this don't even attempt to have it. They just do your best to get it within a week. I And that way we won't have to have this discussion. >> Absolutely. And that's why that's why >> I'm not coming in tomorrow kicking down
doors and looking. I >> understand. But that's why I wanted audience. Yeah. >> Did we answer your question? Did we answer your question? >> Yes. Fine. Good. >> Okay. >> Just don't even have available for
anything. >> All right. Thank you. Okay. Uh so this is vaccination update. >> So Hillary, you had asked me to reach out to uh Christian Dwire, the uh director of health services to come in.
She's apparently Monday nights are busy for her. So she did send uh the uh updated numbers for the uh Madakis Elementary Middle School, the MES school. So >> very different from the original ones
that she sent us. >> Yeah. She uh when you might be able to see in the in the email um since it is a middle school a lot of these kids are coming international and they don't have their their numbers
updated quite yet. That's why they were lower. Once they get into the high schools and stuff they've been here and established and that's why their numbers were higher. So this is the numbers that she had given us and I thought that was a pretty legitimate. It made sense once she explained it to us. So
>> yeah, that was disturbing that one schooled. >> So this is fabulous. I'm glad we got additional information. >> Okay. Anything else on that? Anyone? I don't. >> Okay. It's approval of minutes time. That's the minutes of March 16th. I look
I look fine. Anyone else? problems. >> How about we just assume? We'll say we just passed it as is. I'm I'm good with it. Okay, everyone fine with that? Okay, move along. Okay, this is new and old business. Okay, so does anyone?
>> Uh, I have a couple things. Um we have a intern that came to us from the uh county uh started two and a half three months ago. Um um
finishing up her masters in public health. Um eventually would like to be a lawyer for medical for doctors. So we had a great fit for her. we needed some of our regulations across the board of health um reviewed and updated and she's
been doing a wonderful job um her name is Mary Wall and within that her time frame she realized that we were in need of a front office assistant and she applied we had multiple interviews and
we did decide on Mary um great young gal um great young lady um she'll be she still has finish up her internship, her hours. So, within the next couple weeks, she'll be doing her onboarding. Um, she'll be a great asset to Sarah's team
up front. So, >> we're looking to >> You need any help? Did you >> good news? >> Yeah. >> Tell us about the project though that she worked on. When are we going to get a report on that? >> So, we have six different sets of
regulations. I mean everything from sewer to stables to hazardous waste to um some of them have not been updated since the early 80s. So she coincided with what the regulations are and what
the current u mass general laws are. >> Some some of them it might say mass general law section 8 4.2 too. Well, that doesn't even exist anymore. >> But it's another way another way around. And with her background or she sits in
the office and she's been doing a great job. Um, we are getting those all together one at a time and once we get them, we're sending them council. Once council gets them back to us, we'll bring them in front of the board. um like the just
this the septic and sewage one there was six different regulations and she could she was brought them all into one one regulation which is nice. Um the bigger ones we'll bring just one at a time in front of the board. Some of the smaller ones um tattoo and body art we're
combining those we can bring two of those out to a meeting. So we're we'll be we'll be first in charge on the cape of having updated regulations. So another great option for us. >> So some of them we're going to have to
take a look at and update. >> They're all be all updated. Um what we're going to do, we're going to send them to council, right? >> And when council sends them back to you, I'll give you two of I'll give you what we had and and the updated version and
you can go through there and make changes or anything. >> Who's going to do the updated version? >> Mary did. Mary guess she already she's already on it and done it for a lot of them. So, >> but she's updating it in terms of the current laws. >> Yep. >> Current laws.
>> Okay. Absolutely. >> And she's bringing some things like and she's uh looking at other towns what other towns she's done comparisons for how other towns are doing certain things too. So it's uh she's
Sarah didn't have time to do it. I didn't have time to do it. >> Phil didn't have time to do it. We just happened to luck out and got married in doing this. I mean, just because another town is doing it certain way doesn't mean >> and that's why and then we and we're
going to >> give the original and give you the proposed updates proposed updates and we'll let the board make any amendments from there and >> vote on it from there. So, >> I mean, town council should be looking about state rigs to see this.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. >> Or that maybe past regulation. It it he missed something or the person reviewed it missed something and it should have been >> like there with the hazardous wasting. There's
some language that doesn't is not applicable anymore, >> right? >> But there are some that needs to be in there that's not in there. So, she's finding that and you you'll be you you're going to be very pleasantly surprised when we when I hand you before
and after. So, >> Okay. And we'll get to meet her at some point, right? >> I hope so. >> Sarah keeps her. >> She's lovely. Yes, it's great. Yeah, >> she's into it. >> And and she enjoys it. Like I said, she
eventually wants to be a lawyer. So that's it was >> great. >> We could have I don't think we could have asked for a better fit for that. So >> yeah, might as well do it now before she passes the bar exam because otherwise I don't think we're going to be able to pay for this.
>> Keep up with that kind of That's the big fun news. Um, we got a couple other things. We have a rabies vaccination clinic. Uh, Saturday, April 11th. Um, dogs 9:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. Cats 10:45
to 11:30 at 4:24 Route 28. Um, West Chararmoth. Larry, why would we separate dogs and cats at that time? I don't know. Yeah. Might be better for the owners.
>> Yeah. For everybody. But um >> shoulders and all. Yeah. >> And the vaccinators >> faces. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, that's going to be nice. That's sponsored by the veterinary associations of Cape Cod and partner with the Yarmouth Animal Control. We'll be
putting that on. So that's up on our website. That's um on the health department website. So more information on that. There's uh once again it's 424 Route 28 right in West Ar >> and that is
that I don't know what building that is. >> That's what I'm looking for so people know where to go. Any idea? Not obviously it's on the website but yeah I don't know what >> that might be the uh the natural resources is it?
>> That is too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the natural resource office right there diagonal from the 99. So, >> okay. Uh, this phone number, anyone's listening, uh, if you have questions, it's 508394422. And that's free while supplies last.
Okay. Um there is information out there on the alphael um low star tick um report. This is um you go on to the
uh parts county um department of public health and environmental services and get lots of information on that. the the alpha gal syndrome is becoming more and more prevalent here on the on the Cape um especially on the islands and stuff like that. It's a little more prevalent
over there. Unlike typical food allergies, alphaagel reactions are delayed often occurring two to 10 hours after eating. Um red meats symptoms include hives, itchy rash, stomach pain, nausea, vomiting,
diarrhea, swelling, lips, tongue, throat. So there's some great information for the alpha gel syndrome tick bites out there from the Barnsville County. Um you can also go to www.capecod.govtick. Um some great information there also on
it. It's all about preventative measures so you don't meet your demise with one of these ticks. Yeah. Um, a lot of times I just was watching
uh a webinar on it the other day. Again, if you're out and walking your dogs or you're just walking through uh tucking your sock, tucking your pants to your socks, check yourselves. They might just look like a speck of dirt. Um, Prethine
the on your clothes. Um, over the counter lasts four washes, four to seven washes. You can buy pre-treated um stuff online. Those last 70 washes, so it's it's good. Don't get the
prethone on your um skin. Uh just over the counter spray works. Also, Larry, what can you put on like dogs and pets? >> What I recommend is with a peromethine uh putting it on a paper towel, wiping
wiping them down with it, especially their legs, underbelly. I did I was at uh one of the local stores the other day and had an all naturatural tick and mosquito repellent. Is that good? >> Never really had the all natural products work. At least they don't for
fleas. So I have ne not tried them for ticks but they never really worked well for fleas. So I don't know. But the peromethine is a if it's used by according to directions very safe product
>> but I know it's not safe for human like on their skin but >> but animals I mean I know my dog if I put it on her she'll lick it I don't would that be for somebody else's >> who licking >> like if a dog if we if you somebody if a
one of the residents puts peranol on a paper towel and puts on their dog's legs Yeah. >> their dog licks their paws and stuff. >> Yeah. I I I don't think they're going to lick enough to really be an issue. I mean, we're not really soaking the legs. Just we're just wiping them. Haven't had it be an issue.
>> All right. I mean there are that u I can't remember the product that's also in deep woods off that you can apply to to skin that's acceptable to use but it's a little more but a little more work spraying the the
dogs before you go out. What what I use is these I bought these gators. They're actually get them you can get them on Amazon for like $20. And I spray my my the gators. They they just come up just below my knee
>> and covers uh just the tops of my shoes and I wear those. I've had good luck with those. >> Nice. >> All right. Well, if you have questions about ticks, again, you can reach there's a lot of great information on the Barsville County um website on
ticks. >> Yeah. The other issue is staying on if you stay right on the trails generally you're going to be much less exposed the bike trails etc. It's just often the underbrush is where the ticks are just waiting for you.
>> Yeah. Tall grass underbrush. >> All right. Um next is the town of Armouth. April uh the month of April is sexual awareness month. Uh Monday, April 13th. The there'll be two brief educational videos approximately 10
minutes total be shown throughout the day in town hall hearing room at the following times 10 11 12 1 and two. Uh the videos include start by believing which is uh we have a pledge there's a pledge box out front. If you hear
somebody that's been sexually assaulted or anything like that the first thing you do you believe them and then you go from there. So that's a great it's a this is another one of our monthly awarenesses that Sarah's been highly
highly on top of which is we highly appreciate that Sarah. We appreciate all your hard work you do for that. Um, and part of that on Tuesday, April 7th, it's uh we're a teal day. So, just more more
awareness about sexual awareness, sexual assault awareness month. On Tuesday, April 7th, wear teal um to support survivors. If you want to take photos uh with it, you can send them to us and we'll put
them on our website. Also, >> it's tomorrow. >> That is tomorrow. It's already April 7th. >> All right. >> Send the photos to Shelby. We're in collaboration with the YPD. We're just
piggybacking kind of on this initiative that they've done for a couple years. >> If you haven't seen it out front there, they took one of the cruisers. Every year they they letter the one of the cruisers. They went all out this year. It's purple camouflage. Purple and teal
camouflage. It's pretty cool. So, I saw it last week when I came into town. So yeah. So tomorrow everybody wear teal to support sexual awareness month, sexual assault. I want to makes my wardrobe a lot easier
for tomorrow. So um we have again the Yarma Substance Abuse Awareness Committee. They're doing a touch a truck family uh fun event. That'll be Saturday, May 2nd, 12 to 3 pm
at the family collaborative family table collaborative right down here in South Yarmouth. Um event highlights there's touch for kids. They can climb on and explore, discover, face painting, outdoor games. There'll be food provided. There'll be arts and crafts
and resource tables and everything for them. So, another great awareness event that they're going on in the town of Yarmouth. I think that's all I have for new and old business. This one, you're familiar with it?
>> I did not. >> This was Reach Van. This is the Duffy Health Center. Um, it's bringing free mobile healthc care and support services to the Cape Cod community Mondays and Wednesdays 2:00
p.m. to 400 pm. It's at the municipal lot which is at 691 Main Street in Dennisport. And available services uh include showers and basic hygiene. Showers are April uh
through November. We realize some people don't have access to showering recovery support and navigation access to medication for opioid use disorder via teleaalth with Duffy providers
Narcan connection to health care case management and other critical services all are welcome and there's a phone number here for the Duffy Health Center and that is 508771 9599.
Anyone else? Is there any new or old business? >> I I just wanted to um briefly say from the RACK meeting that was right before this meeting um they they hope to have the um work on
Route 28 finished by Memorial Day. Um there will be still work going on in the side streets, but um Hopefully not not on Memorial Day and Digot will not be doing any work during the April vacation on the road.
>> Okay, >> good news. The other thing was the hand out uh on storm water pollution education fertilizing the lawn and just thinking that's people are going to start doing it as it's getting warmer
and Eric has always said follow the directions if you're going to use fertilizers more of it doesn't make it better and remember the where the fertilizer ends up eventually it's in our ground water. It's runoff. It goes
down, you know, Cape Cod Bay. I mean, it it doesn't stay on our grass or in our grass trees. So, follow the directions. We all know there's a nitrogen problem on Cape
Cod, a serious one, and that's largely what's in the fertilizer. So, be mindful. And I just happened to uh see Lori Rosala at a meeting on Friday and I
asked her if they've made a a water ban yet. She said they have not made that decision in the next few weeks. They'll see if they're what they're going to do because the Cape is still in a drought. So >> severe severe drought. So they'll be making that decision again for Yarmouth
on uh the irrigation ban. I think right now on the website there is a ban still. >> Oh, is it from last year? Is that for this year? >> Guess. So, it's for automatic uh sprinkling systems. I mean, it's
restricted to holding your the hose basically uh for watering uh I guess plants. I don't think it you can be out there with the hose watering your lawn necessarily either. So I believe the website maybe
they neglected to take it down. I don't know. But there is a drought. >> Yeah. >> It's a severe drought still too, >> right? So when I get more information on that for sure, we'll update the >> the board.
>> Yeah. Okay. Anyone anything else? There's just one more item that would be to close the meeting. >> I make a motion we adjourn. >> Thank you, Larry. >> Second. >> All in favor? Motion adjourned. Thank
you everyone for participating. Hopeful. All right. Recording.