progress. >> Great. Okay, you're sitting there. You okay? >> Okay. I call to order the May 4th, 2026 meeting of the Yarmouth Board of Health. It's time to take attendance. Mary, are you here?
>> Present. >> I'm Hillard. Okay. Larry >> here. >> Okay. Scott, >> I'm present. >> You are. Okay. There we go. We have quorum. Okay. Third item is public comment. And just our guidelines are as follows. The open meeting law
discourages public bodies from discussing topics not listed on the agenda. The public should therefore not expect the board to respond to questions or statements made during the public comment portion of the meeting. So anyone anyone here like here's the
opportunity come up. It's great. Have a seat. Just introduce yourself. >> Am I live? Can you hear me? >> Yep. You're you're good. >> Okay. Um Harris Ktos, Precinct 3. Um good afternoon. Thank you. I'll get
right to the point. Air and water pollution are fairly known concepts in the public health community since the 1970s, maybe even earlier. A relative new kid on the block is noise pollution.
It's often dismissed as simply a quality of life issue, but there are real physiologic and health consequences to exposure to chronic noise and noise of certain volumes and frequencies
and so on and so forth. Here in Yarmouth, it's been my observation that there are the following sources of noise pollution. vehicular, particularly coming from motorcycles with illegally installed or modified
exhausts, hot rodders, cars with thumping sound systems. Another source is property maintenance with leaf blowers and lawnmowers. You've probably seen in the paper that a number of communities are passing bans on leaf
blowers. And another source is open air gatherings featuring live or recorded music. I'm asking the board of health to take upon take upon itself um as a priority
investigating further noise pollution in the community developing the scientific basis for the um public health dimensions of of noise pollution. Parenthetically, let me just say that the American Public Health
Association has characterized noise pollution as the new secondhand smoke. So, they're not treating it lightly. Uh again, develop the the scientific basis and then develop the policies that's within your
purview to address noise pollution, but also serve as a resource to other departments in the town, such as the police department, so that they can develop effective training uh policies and procedures to deal with noise
pollution as an enforcement agency. And then also to report on this as a public health issue to make the community more aware of it. Have it be part of your regular annual report to the community such as you have you submit you know
each year on on your other issues and so on and so forth. Um I'd like to follow up on this further either in meetings with you or if I can use Mr. Lewis as a conduit that would be fine with me as well. That's my two cents. Thank you. >> Okay. Thanks for coming in. Thanks for
your comments and bring this to our attention. >> Mr. Ktos did send an email and I did attach the email into your packets for you. So >> with the links to some of the literature. Yeah, >> appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Take care. Now, so
fourth item is plastic waiver requests. And looks like we have eight tonight. Okay. From the top, you want to introduce each one just to get us started? Yeah. Um, first I have a little
science experiments I did starting on 42826, one of our samples, uh, one of the reusable cups. We started off with boiling water and there it's been full water since. I'm going to pass it down around to the board just so you can see
the state that it's been in. Just it's kind of more for me than anything else. Just so you know that these hold up the boiling water. We do have eight uh establishments on the agenda
for the plastic waiver request. Um the first one we do maybe let's go down the list. First one would be Basil Thai. They they have a very small operation. It's a mom, dad, and a daughter. The um daughter should be online zooming in to talk to us right now. So Liam, if you
could let her in, that would be great. If you could unmute yourself, that would be There you go. Uh, I think you're still muted. You're still muted there. Basai, I'm still says mute on our end. >> Can you unmute her or can she do that
herself? There we go. >> Hello. >> Hi. We can we can hear you now. >> Can you hear me now? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Can you repeat what do you want me to do again? Sorry.
>> You asked for a waiver for plastic reduction for um some products. Can you tell us what you've done so far? What you need the waiver for? Why? Um if you can limit it to five minutes that would be great.
>> Okay. So we changed most of the thing that we you guys want us to do but the thing is we want to waiver for our current stuff that we have left over. Um, we do have uh some utensil and then
um a container of uh drinks that we still have and we want to like uh request for extension for like until like I don't know approximately September if we can to get rid of all
the stuff that we have right now. And that's about it. And the rest of it we already changed to the um compostable and recyclable microwave safe container already. So yeah.
>> Okay. >> Specifically number five in the plastic list. Is that what >> Yes. >> Yes. >> How much silverware do you have left? Um so we have um five box of spoon and
about uh like 10 box of forks and then about like almost a box of
uh drains cup and that's all we have. So if you extinguish those products before the extension that you're asking for, will you go to all compostable products to be compliant? >> Yes, we just want to get rid of this
because it's a lot of it and we don't want to throw it away. So that's why we asked for the waiver for extension to certain amount of time so we can get rid of it before we change to the compostable uh utensil and stuff. This is all we have left. The other stuff
that we use is already microwave safe and compostable container. >> Okay. >> Mary, any thoughts on this? I think we we realized, excuse me, when we um put this
regulation together and brought it to the board of health that there would be um this particular problem, people that have not had um enough time to use up the inventory that they have and they can't return the inventory. So,
I it it sounds like they have done positive things already and are asking for what some of the other people who have come in have asked for, which is a um a waiver until the end of the summer
or if they get through with the product that they have beforehand. Um I'd like to see them come back and let us know that. >> Was there a date? Didn't Didn't we have a date that we decided on? >> It would depend upon each business a
little bit. So that's really up to >> She asked for September. >> Okay. I mean, as I keep bringing up is, you know, what have people already investigated? What have they planned on buying? Um what do they have ready to go
and to order? Um and that this is not new. Okay. So using up inventory makes a lot of sense of course, but doing homework knowing this is coming is what my concern is. This is May now. This
went into effect on January 1st and there a lot of time before January 1st. We all know this was starting a couple years ago and the whole town voted for a much stricter regulation. And so
it's been months. I would just hope that people have done some homework and what products they plan on using. Have they tested a product? Speaking of that, you've got some things set out here. Some >> Yeah, we do have um we do have many
samples that we have a list of purveyors that um have compostable reusable products are are very compliant with what we have. We brought some samples up here front. We do have a display table out in the hallway has everything from uh cutlery wear to straws to like I said
the the sauce cups. We have containers that are microwavable safe. Um so there's a lot of products out there that are that are ready to be used. So >> yeah, in fairness to these u merchants. So a lot of these businesses are
seasonal obviously. their their um you know main business is summer and a lot of times you know they they since this started I think it was late fall that we really started to push it uh they haven't really had a chance to use
up their inventory so I think it's reasonable to allow that you know under the circumstances since a lot of these businesses are are seasonal >> I agree absolutely Uh, someone want to make a motion. We
can keep moving here. >> I would motion to approve the request for the waiver. >> And I would just added a date to when it needs to be reevaluated. >> Okay. >> You were saying September. >> Okay. >> That's okay. For the minutes,
>> wasn't it Columbus Day or didn't we give them through Columbus? >> For September. >> Yeah. For September. >> Each business is a little different. Fine. Is there a second to the motion? >> Second. Okay, there we go. All in favor say I. I. Okay. >> Thank you very much. Basil Tai, please use up your stock you have now. Then
once you're once you've used it up, uh please reach out to Phil. Let him know that you're uh used up your stock and you're in compliance. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Be well. Like we have Ambassador in in Sweets on next here on the list.
Y >> welcome. Just introduce yourself. >> Yep. My name is Push Patel and I represent actually three hotels. Ambassador Rin All Seasons Resort and Marina Resort in West Yamat. I have the gentleman from the Allseason Resort, but
the gentleman in Marina Resort has the May 18th date given, but it's the same agenda. So, I thought I'd speak for them as well. So we are here for the same scenario. We stock up our um uh utensils and um
plates and bowls and um all the items needed for the breakfast that we provide every morning as um as as an amenity. Uh we have trans transitioned ourselves from the foam plates and plastic plates
and bowls to the paper already. But the plastic cutlery is still a problem and uh had we known we would have not ordered bunch of it. But we do stock up our inventory of early January and we are into the same scenario here. We have
a stock on hand for the plastic um utensils and that we want to get rid of it before we go into the compostable or recyclable options. >> I have a question for you. You have three uh hotels here in Yarmmouth.
>> So, thank you very much for that for supporting Yarmouth. Do you have uh hotels in other towns >> uh in Hyannas Felmouth? >> Do they also offer uh continental breakfastes? Um one of them does in Felmouth. Okay.
>> Felmouth. >> Yes. >> And they have a plastic reduction regulation. >> They I'm not sure if they do or not. I don't handle that place. >> They do. >> They do. Okay. But they do have um they do have the paper options already introduced. I'm not sure about the
plastic cutlery, forks, knives, and spoons. >> Might check with them because if they're ordering, you might get a volume discount. >> Well, that is that is another thing that we will be looking into. >> But my question is if the plastic container says five in the triangle
shape and PP letters, does that mean it is recyclable? And if it is recyclable, is it allowed to be used? >> It has to say on it compostable, recyclable. Like this product right here has a three on it. And nowhere on this
on this product right here does it say reusable, compostable, but on the bottom there is a little picture of a microwave. >> Yeah. >> So, this is microwavable safe, which means it's reusable. So, you kind of have to look and do a little research on your own. I did bring um the cup that we
use for the juices and it does say PP letter PP and number five and I did some Google research and it is polyropylene um recyclable and majority >> all recyclable but it has to be compostable so I'd have to look at that.
Yeah, I have one. I don't know if I can look at it a little bit, but >> so um we are basically looking for um time to reduce our inventory to almost zero. >> Your inventory of plastic >> plastic only >> only. Yeah, because uh the dish and
bowls are already transition to paper. >> Okay. >> And other than that, we don't have much of use of any of these boxes or >> have you switched over to compostable straws yet? >> We don't have straws. Thank you. That's even better. >> For the coffee stirs, we use wood. Any anyways,
>> perfect. >> And so you're asking for this for three entities? >> Three hotels. Yes. Because we do, as you have suggested, we do a bulk discount by giving volume and that's why we buy in volume. >> So do we have the names of the other two?
>> Um the All Seasons Resort in South Yamouth. >> Okay. >> And Marinar Resort in West Yarmouth. >> The third one not on the agenda, right? No. >> Uh they're not they're not on the agenda today, but I brought them over. >> They're on the they're on the next meeting agenda. So
>> we shouldn't have to see them. >> So board. Okay. >> Yes. >> I am. I make a motion that we grant the um waiver for the plastic um table wear for the um
1314 Route 28 South Yarmouth location as well as the All Seasons and the Mariner Resort in Yarmouth >> and that this be until um the end of September and >> or end of October I would say because there's a lot of inventory but we don't
minding winging a box or two, but >> when you have 15 boxes of each item, then it becomes little >> the end of October and you'll come back then and let us know that they're all gone and you're using what you are using. >> Sure. And I did see a compostable
plastic cutlery out there. So, that's a good piece of information. >> I have a list of companies right here also >> those but we just have to figure out what the costing will be and all that. Yeah, >> that is another thing in the costing portion. you you're you're lucky to have that many uh establishments that you'll
be able to have some buying power. Yeah. >> Um to do it. So, and if you have contacts that have other hotels that are using similar, I would all get together to form like a coalition and even have more buying power, which is a great thing to do. So, >> okay, we do we have a motion here.
>> Second. >> We have two of them. Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. >> Thank you very much. And again, if you do if you do extinguish your uh current supply before October, please start using that. Reach out to Phil.
>> Thank you very much. >> Okay, Cape Flats Pizza. Uh Barry, >> Kate Flats is coming up. Uh again, he has few containers and stuff he was looking
to get a waiver on. So, >> whittling it down. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. Scott from Cape Flats Pizza in 16. Thank you. >> Um we've switched over to uh fiber compostable
um containers um as things are weeding out. We're switching over, but we still have cutlery and um salad containers and a couple other items. um depending on like the cutlery will be out within a month and then the salad
containers and um some of the the drinks uh the uh plastic cups will be anywhere from two months around there. So, we're going through it now that the sum the spring is here. Starting to see it move, thank God. Sure.
>> Um I did finally see something out there. I've been looking for a substitute for the salad containers. And I just saw something out there that would would probably work good. So that's that's good. >> Are the names of the companies or the products out there? >> Um the we don't have the name of the companies that gave us the products due
to conflict of interest laws. I can't say what but they have to do a little research but we gave them there's a list of all the companies that have given us um samples calls. Yeah. Great. >> Yeah. So one to two months I'll be out of everything. Okay.
>> Two months at the latest. Any thoughts, Mary? >> I move that we grant Cape Flats Pizza the variance to continue using the items listed that they have um for two months, which will take us to
July >> and I'll reach out to Phil >> and let us know. >> Thank you very much, Scott. >> Second. >> Okay, take Okay, further discussion hopefully none. There isn't any. All in
favor say I. >> Second >> take credit. One of you. >> Okay, we're up the subway here. >> Subway. Next on list. Hello. >> Welcome. Have a seat. Just introduce yourself.
>> Lori Tur, the franchisee of the subway in Yarmouth, plus others. Um, it's a complicated I'm asking for a waiver because it's a complicated process to get the approvals to use the other stuff. Um, I did just locate some
local stuff. If I have to put it in and just tell Subway I'm done waiting, I'll do it, but it's best if I get them to approve and get it at their rate. >> So, a little bit more complicated
perhaps. Um, we did have another business in, right? Yep. Dunkin Donuts. Same way. Um, has a headquarters they need to deal with as well. >> Has that in? >> Go ahead. >> When did you put that request in?
>> I think January. >> You haven't? >> I started with We got our food through PFG. So, it's kind of funny they're on the list. So, she found some of the items, but she can't let me have them until this other organization approves it. to ship it to me. I did find some of the
stuff, like I said, local if if I need to. >> But you can't even utilize that until you get permission from the subway. >> Um, they can write me up. They can write me out of compliance. How long does it usually take them to
make a decision? I've never had to do it before, so I don't really have a clue. That's I think I put for six months waiver. >> And Subway is a large corporation. I'm sure we're not the first town that has
gone to Compostable. So, um, >> if they want information from us, they certainly can reach out to the health department, >> see if we could facilitate this. >> Yeah, >> you're more than welcome to take my card and give them give them my information
and they can call me and I can be the bad guy. >> Thanks. So, I was in there today. It looked like you had some um not every You have gotten rid of some of the plastic cups, right? Some of the >> I asked them to give them to the other
stores. I haven't been there yet this trip. Um I have some medical things going on, so I haven't been in the store in a little bit. And you you've I noticed you did switch over the straws already. What about cutlery where I didn't I don't get cut.
>> I don't believe she had that. I just saw some local ones too that would work. So that said if I need to put my own stuff in. >> Is there um a district representative or somebody from district subway that could come in and talk to us also? That's what
uh Duncan did. They brought in someone from the corporation. I know you're a franchisee. Is there someone? >> I could see, but I don't know if they all contact we have is emails or team meetings.
>> Okay. I mean, it's in their best interest as well as yours and the community. Obviously, >> we kind of feel like we're out here alone now. So, but I can ask. >> Is there a subway in Yes, it's mine too.
>> That's yours too, you said? >> Yeah. >> So, how are you handling it? >> They I understood theirs as just related to my large cup and so I had put in a waiver for that and they said fine. So, I guess I misunderstood what they were requesting too.
>> So, I will have to do it for both of them. >> Certainly send headquarters copy of the regulations for both towns. They're very similar. I we we piggy we piggybacked off of Falmouth. We made ours a little more clear,
>> a little more decisive than Falmouth. So >> I have shared yours. >> Okay. Um portion cups. What do you use portion cups for? >> Um if they want something on the side like the pickles or the banana peppers or a dressing on the side. And I just
saw you had >> Yeah. And like literally that one that I just passed around that's six days old. Scott, is that still holding up? What do you feel? >> I say so. >> Yeah, it's still if you
>> Yeah, we're looking I know the cups are the hardest ones. There's some easy ones out there in my opinion. Cups, cutlery wear. I the the portion cups cutlery wear. So board members, how do you want to
handle this? It's a little different applications. I'd um I'd like to get that contact information from you, the email, and have um Mr. Lewis give it to Mr. Lewisever. Okay. Whatever. contact information you have for the people who
are directing you and telling you you can't purchase things without their permission. >> Would you like to see her come back in front of the June the first June meeting then from there? >> Let's do that. >> I think that would be
>> um because I think they need to understand that there are fines associated with this regulation. >> It's a lot of money. We really don't want to business is paying for this be June 1st is the is the next meeting is the first meeting June.
>> So get them that information. >> Yeah. So if we can do that you can send a rep in um do you have a card >> then get me that information. I think that's fair for the the board. We can you are in a unique situation with being
a franchisee being but I feel subways a large enough corporation that we're not the first place on the earth to >> go to these regulations. So >> I would agree in California.
>> All right. Do you want to make a motion to >> make a motion that we table this request until June meeting and in the meantime um Mr. Lewis will try to contact the U organization
head and get some information from them on when they are going to be able to permit their franchises to comply with this regulation. Second is correct in right order.
>> Okay. Further discussion? None. Okay. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. Here we go. Sec. Next one on the list would be sub uh Sea Dogs. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> Someone from Sea Dogs online
with us. Sea Dogs going once. I will uh reach out to Sea Dogs tomorrow then. The no show. That's unfortunate. >> Yeah. >> Did they understand that they were to appear before us? >> Yes. And they got emails.
>> They made a comment on their application here. Can't quite read it what it says, but >> it says we're really concerned with the new um policy. It's already tough econom in a already tough economic environment.
>> So is that inferring there? >> Don't this is an economic hardship for them. >> That's the way I read it. I >> mean, it's a hardship for everyone. Um, >> yeah, >> but
this is where we are. Okay, >> looks like next in the list would be the Friday club. >> Yeah, >> ladies, come on up. >> Well, that's a rowdy bunch, >> please. >> Yeah, I mean, the music's really loud. We can hear I mean everywhere.
>> I know. Thank you for letting us speak. Uh, my name's Donna Mari. I'm the immediate past president. The current president is right behind me, Marie Nunan. We're here to ask for um a temporary waiver. We are the only 501c3 nonprofit speaking tonight. And this is
our 125th year as a charity in Yarmouth supporting all the charities on Cape Cod. And we buy in bulk and we only are active March through December. We have a monthly dinner meeting during which we you know raise money for charities and
we have several um bake sales every month March through December. The biggest question we have and the reason I'm asking for the waiver is we have upcoming events which are big fundraisers. For instance, our strawberry shortcake sale next month
where we use the clamshells which I spoke with Mr. Louis about and u in the fall in November when we have our famous pie sale we also sell squash apple soup which if you haven't had it it's wonderful but we have quite a bit quite a large supply of the port containers
and we have a pretty hefty supply of forks and spoons now everything else I think we have made a tremendous effort in using paper products and things that are compostable these really are the only things that have become an issue and I'm requesting
a waiver. This would take us through the end of the year when we get through our big Christmas three-day festival. And basically, that's my plea. Can we use what we have as far as the clamshells, the forks and spoons, and our court
containers for our Thanksgiving soup? This is another very unusual circumstance where it's unlike >> the Basil Thai and Cape Flats and the crearyy that are getting ready to go into their busy season. This is a a
unique situation where they're limited to their usage. So, >> and we buy in bulk as much as we can, but um we've already utilized quite a bit, but this is we're coming into our busy season where we raise most of our money. All of our profits stay here in
the Cape. Um and it would be somewhat of a financial hardship plus a real waste to ditch all this stuff immediately. And that's why I'm asking to go to the end of the year so we can complete the charitable um events that we already have scheduled which would take us right in through our Christmas event which is
the first weekend in December. >> I've asked this question before. If you guys are extremely busy and you get to extinguish some of your products, what is your will you go to the compostable? >> Absolutely. Certainly. Absolutely. And we've been using uh paper products and
compostables for our lobster fair uh lobster roll festival which is in August. And for many of our bake sales, we used all compostables and paper products. This is just to utilize the plastics that we have on site right now. >> I would motion um to approve the waiver
uh through the end of the year, December 26. for the Friday club. >> for the Friday club. >> Second. >> Okay. How's that? Very nice. >> All right. >> Okay. >> And again, if you do extinguish them,
you start using new products, >> Mr. Ren. >> Yep. Please. >> Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And if you haven't had a chance, please come to our bake sales, our strawberry festival, our lobster rolls. If you haven't had a chance, please come and visit. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you so much.
>> Everyone agrees on this one. Everyone's on board. Okay. All right. >> Uh, next we have Alan from Cape Cod Crearyy. >> Good evening. >> Alan Davis from Cape Cod Crearyy. >> Welcome. >> And I am asking a waiver to use up my
supplies of spoons, which we bought a large amount last year because we were told there was going to be a price increase this year. And I will certainly change when the supply is used up. The issue we have as I'm looking around for options
now is the availability. You know, they have all these companies have samples, but when you ask them what their availability is, they don't have any availability yet. They're in the process of trying to get it. I can't serve ice cream without a spoon. And that's where we are now. economically.
You brought up the issue the last company that um that wasn't here, but they wrote down so I I've always dealt locally with a local paper company here and we currently pay $20 a case for spoons. The only alternative they have
is $75 for the same amount of spoons. US Foods, which is on your list. Um, Justin Ganon, they're supposed to be coming out with a cornstarch spoon that's $35 and they don't have any. The list I have here from my purveyor is $75
and he says he doesn't know how much he has or what the supply is. So, I'm looking and I'm trying to do it, but what I would like to do is use up the current spoons I have now, which will probably take me through Columbus Day, I think. comments, board members.
>> So, the options that you have been able to find, do they include bamboo or wood? >> Well, the wood does not work for especially for hard ice cream. >> It used to work for hoodsies. >> Well, those were little cups. We're talking larger cups. We've tried wood.
We're using wood now for our taster spoons, >> right? >> That's just a little bit. So, >> you're asking for through Columbus Day if um you have product on hand still, you have ext you have other
establishments you could transfer to so you're not wasting it. >> Yeah. Yes, I could. Um I mean the creamies are set up as separate businesses with separate tax ID numbers. So it gets a little complicated but I would the issue really now is the supply
issue >> and by Columbus Day you're ran you're ramping down. So, >> right, >> and I know a lot of these purveyors um are coming across the same issue and they're such with like Dunkin Donuts.
They have a product right now to replace their cups, but it's again extremely high and they asked for a a waiver till Columbus State to see if the company could find a better product. And that's what a lot of these companies that we
have the on their list are trying to do. They're trying to find a more profitable and not not so expensive product. So, >> is the crearyy in Falmouth? >> No.
>> Not yet. I make a motion that we approve a waiver for the Cape Cod crearyy um to use up the supply at hand and to uh um go ahead and seek a an acceptable product at a fair price
>> with the date of >> when it's available through Columbus Day. >> Perfect. >> Second. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Alan. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Have a great season, Alan. Let's see if we're going to vote for this first. Let's vote.
>> All in favor? >> Hey, you're good. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right. Take care. >> And the last one for our plastic reduction um waiver is the hole-in-one company. the hole in one. Damen Groer, general
manager of the hole in one. So, um, we're here asking for a waiver uh on a on a financial hardship uh case. We spent some time uh with the with the cups, the one thing that the 24 and 32
ounce cups. Um, obviously being in a business that we branded, we spent a significant amount of money bringing in a large amount of inventory to support and I we currently have uh a significant number of cases. Now, we
have we have also spent some time we we just went to the trade shows all the trade shows saw all the new products that are coming out. We got pricing availability is a major issue. Um they they just don't have the products that we need. The turn is is significant. Uh
we got some pricing from some different companies and we're talking about $52 increase on every case of cups, 24 ouncez cups. We go through almost 100 cases of in this one store in West
German a year. Uh the other stores also go through significant inventory as well, but we're talking it it being a 5,000 to 6,000 just on one size cup hardship for us. When we go to the next size up, that's another $3,000 over the
course of the year for this one location. We talk about spoons and everyone's talked about spoons and you've you've offered a lot of really good alternatives. The issue is is I go from spending $15 for a case to
65 for a case and going through a thousand spoons on a monthly basis. So you're talking about uh $500 increase for spoons, $500 increase for knives, $500 increase for and this again is just
the one store. So it is a significant hardship. Um, I'm not not I'm trying to I'm trying to understand the idea of going to compostables is a very good idea, but the manufacturers
just have not gotten to this point. You talked about how Dunkin Donuts came in with their corporate people. They've got power. They are so large. They should be able to get the manufacturers to make change, but even they are unable to get change. So, they're asking for waiverss
as well. So um you know we're here we've done some things obviously we use the clam the the clam boxes that are all compostable we've always done that in all the stores um so we're here basically asking for a waiver on on the cups there are some sule cups that we've
been looking at and that again is a as I look at it that was a you know three or $400 a year increase uh and and we're in a business that there's as much as people believe there's a huge margin the margins are less and less every year.
So, we have to look at being able to you had mentioned buying in bulk or buying larger buys. Well, we do that and now we have inventory that we need to work through. Um, and so we're asking the town to to consider uh a waiver on on
the plastic cups. We are we are I don't know we had just gone through a point where we had gone to a couple of different companies before we got the January notice. We were looking at doing another large buy and then the and we
got the notice of the change. We put everything on hold. We had to go back and we've now got new pricing with uh with the hole-in-one label on the different products, the cups. Um, and now we had to stop because we have to
look for the compostable plastics. And again, those cases are are pretty significant in their increases. So, um, those prices you gave us, are those for your u your branded cups or those just for a plain cup?
>> Those are for Well, the plain cup I could That's branded. >> Branded, >> but it's a it's a regular cup that they brand. So, >> so it has your logo on it. >> Yeah. And so the original cost, like the original cost is the cost with the logo on it as well. So it's it's logo on it
to logo on it. >> And it's current. Uh >> so without the logo, would it would the cost be less? >> It's still going to have a margin difference. It's still going to be $50 difference in the case. I mean, so I already paid for them to logo one set of of cups. Yeah.
>> Now I got to have them pay to have them logo another set of cups. Could we go on Lego logo? Sure. Um, but at the beginning just to save a little bit of money until one of these companies comes up with a more price efficient one. And
is that something the >> Yeah, >> well, let me let me kind of flip it around. Could the town give me the waiver until one of those companies comes up with a price that makes it reasonable for us to be able to, you know, rather than come to us, the small
guy, and ask us to change um or put everything on hold that does the town have the power to be able to tell these companies that they have to come up with a product that is priced appropriately? I mean, you have as as much power as I do to have them change. Let's say it that way.
>> We we don't have that. >> Nor do I nor do I, but but and I don't have the cash, >> you know. It comes down to one of those things where, you know, we're in business and and we're trying to make trying to make a day's pay and and keep people employed and that's import. So it
is it's difficult. >> I know eventually most of the talents on the Cape are looking to do this. You have a bigger you you'll have some good buying power. So >> great if the whole Cape did it at one point because then we're not singling out each
town. >> The problem is some of these companies said we're not even going to do it for you guys. >> Like we reached out to people on the list to people off the list. They're not interested. They go we'll stay off Cape and make our money. That's the problem. It's too small for everyone to jump into
the pool and that's the problem we're having. You know, and I think most of these business and you know, there's other things that matter. Gas is up, you know, all these things that just happening. People are dealing with the construction, all these other things.
And the problem is at the end of the day, you we add, we're just talking about cups, then we're talking about spoons, then we're talking about Naz. All these things take from our bottom line. There's only two ways we can go. Eat it, which these days is very hard to do, or
we pass it on to the consumer. And now when you do compare us to some of these other big companies, they can probably eat it or they have the buying power to do something that we can't. Now we're outpricing ourselves in the market. At
what point? I understand the whole I get the whole thing of it, but as far as I'm I know I don't even know if there's places that are processing all of this plastics. So, in a sense, it it doesn't make sense, but it does make sense. I know
where it's going and I get that. But, we're going to have a hard time. You can't just take that money. We budget things for the whole year. We just can't take, you know, 1520$20,000 out of our bottom line. It's
hard. >> And the restaurant business, you know, when my family first started, there was 35% profit margin. If you're doing six or three to 5%, you're doing good. And these are statistics. You can go look anywhere, restaurant news, restaurants
institutions, the bottom line is shrinking. And since co it's even much less and I don't you know we're asking for October Columbus Day but even after that we go
through the winter you know we're just like everybody else our business is great in the summer thank God but after that then we're struggling in the winter these add-on expenses are going to hurt the restaurants any business if it's
and And I understand and I've heard Felmouth a lot. I also know people in Felmouth. They're getting waivers just to get them by. From what I'm told, it's not even temporary. You want a waiver for this year? You've got to wave it for this year. That's what I've been told.
It's not right here. It's like August, October, September, Columbus Day, whatever it is. Then we have to be fully compliant. It's a financial hardship on a lot of us and I don't
like I said I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I understand it but I don't get it. I don't understand if anybody's looked at it from the business side of you. >> We have we 100% we we have >> I and I don't mean to go down this
rabbit hole but I hear August that's it. Like even the woman from the Thai place that spoke, they're three people operation. They're not going to have buying power to say to someone, "Come on the Cape and sell us." I've been asking for samples for months since we found
out about this. I got three straws from one company. That was my sample. It's a very hardship that's being placed on these businesses. >> I don't think anyone I don't think anyone's denying this. We've been struggling with this since 2023. I mean,
the town, as I said before, voted, the whole town was at a town meeting, voted for regulation that was a lot more strict than what we're looking at tonight. Let me finish, sir. Just a second. >> You mentioned a capewide approach to purchasing. I don't think that's
realistic, just how independent these towns are. We've come across that numerous times. and you pay a membership to the chamber, I would suggest, you know, reaching out to them who represent a lot of businesses here in town and
have more, you know, could coordinate something and larger larger purchases for the stores to try to help you out. No one is denying what you're undergoing right now. >> I didn't mean a capewide purchase. I meant if the laws were consistent, the
rules were consistent throughout the Cape, it might make the gentleman that has the motel and all of we could say to these companies, "Hey, the whole Cape is looking for this. Come back over the bridge and give us the best pricing you can give us." >> Sir, dude, I hate to interrupt you, but
that's it's not realistic. The Cape doesn't work that way. I can just tell you that towns don't do that. Okay, >> I understand it. I do get it. Even if things like sewering, we struck out. We're doing it on our own. Could not coordinate it with another town. It's just >> So what I'm saying at the end of the
day, it still is for a lot of us. Some people are willing to do it as far as cups. They know it's it could be a great chain for them. We have no choice. We're going to have to pay more for it. But where does the eventually it happens? It affects the bottom line or it affects we
pass it on to the customers, right? And that's all I'm saying. It's I get it, but like I said, I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I don't understand pots. >> You're very clear. >> Appreciate your time. >> How do you use the um the table wear?
How do you use the forks and knives and >> um to- go packaging >> with what what products? >> Um so the knives will go out with bagels, bagels and cream cheese so that somebody could spread >> someone wants a sandwich. Um very
minimal use. It's not as much as and that's why we don't use a lot, >> right? >> If you speak to like the ice cream gentleman, he uses thousands, >> you know. Um, we don't have a problem with some of that. Some of those things, it's the cups that are really going to
hurt us. Um, straws, we can't find a wide mold straw. They're very, very thin. People don't like them. So, now they're going to either, you know, they're short, they only have one length. Some of them don't even
touch the bottom of the large cups. Um, it's really kind of it's they are not ready for this as much as we're, you know, we're not ready for this, you know. Um,
that's honestly it. I thank you for your time. I really do appreciate and let me speak. So, let us speak. >> Specifically, what are you requesting? uh board grant a variance for tonight >> for uh >> specifically >> the the plastic the cups for sure the
2432s the 12elves I think that was all >> duration >> uh I mean it it if we're at the point now where we're trying to work through inventory so uh we're going to probably go through 40
this one location so when I when I say that I've got inventory for each of the locations set up for each locations. This location between now and and the end of the summer will probably go through 25 to 30 cases and I probably
have 50 cases that I have uh allocated and I know we're going to say the other stores the other stores have allocations as well to to and and we had one gentleman talk about different tax IDs. >> You already have those products on here. >> We've already committed. Yeah. Because we did a large and and we go back to the
printing obviously it's a volume thing. The more you order, the lower the price. So, we ordered 200 cases of printed product where we didn't have to take delivery right now, right? It's it's it's kept in warehoused and and and by
the way, we we have PFG, we've got US foods, we've got uh date, Imperial Dade, and we've gone to like all the all the different vendors. We have them as as as supplies. So, we'll need a date to grant this fair
>> for West Yarmouth. Yeah, West Yarmouth is is probably Columbus Day is is probably what we're asking for on the cups. We're we're we're doing the straws. We're going to do the spoons. Uh and and and the cutlery, we'll take care of those things. But, um and and again,
the clam boxes, we already do that. Uh that was a that was a requirement. >> Coffee stir. Yeah, the wooden coffee stores. the the the clam boxes for the sandwiches for for the egg uh the egg sandwiches the clam boxes they started in Orleans and and in the Orleans store they had to
have the compostable so so everything that we've done in the other stores were brought down here the one thing that we hadn't that we have not cross the finish line is is on the cups so the cups are are really so we're talking Columbus Day
for the cups is the request Yeah, sure. >> Yeah. So, I'd make a motion that uh we allow Holden one. I'll grant them a waiver um to use up the printed cups that they have and the uh date would be
specifically what date would >> they said Columbus Day. >> Columbus Day. Okay. >> Second. Very good. >> Go for it. >> Okay. >> And again, I'm gonna ask like I've asked everybody else if you like your
colorware, stuff like that, once you extinguish what you have, if you can start using that and let Phil know and we'll be good to go. >> Thank you guys. >> Yep. Okay. Um, number five here, that's the nicotine-free generation discussion
tonight. Um, I just like to commend everyone who I think I know why you're here for the effort you put into it. Um, and it's I think it's great. I mean, just to see
that. Um, and that's why we've been discussing this since December 1st. Okay. That's what this board is struggling with. Health issues versus business.
I'm sure you have a sense of it. Some of my feelings are. And I can tell you, I'll make this short scenario. I I see the other end of it than you do. My concern is yes the 20 year old comes in starts smoking and puts in you know
the pack a day for 20 or 30 years that's when they would come where I worked and that was the emergency department people when they you talk about lung cancer let's talk about COPD which is more common that's caused by smoking
and these people would come flying in on a 911 call brought in by the medics and you just take a look at the person, you know probably what's going on in that these people are
breathing rapidly. They cannot talk because all they can do is try to get more oxygen in. These people would point to their chest. You're not quite sure always what they're pointing at. They have a heart attack. Is it just breath
from smoking. You know what is it? Um these people would come in and the description is their face is ashen as hen. It's bluish gray. You sort of know the
person is lacking oxygen. Um and you get a look from the patient at a desperation. Okay, they're trying to stay alive by breathing quickly. You can only breathe
that quickly for so long. We all fatigue doing something like that. You know, you do a quick check which now very often, you know, by getting a little thing in, you know, thing on your finger and tells you what your oxygen level is. Um, and these people with COPD
live with lower oxygen levels. they get lower. Um, you're the risk is death of our cells. Our whole body, all our cells need oxygen. So, you don't have enough oxygen going the brain start to lose brain cells. If you're not getting
enough oxygen to your heart, which is just a muscle, end up having a heart attack. Um, it's, you know, can get pretty grim. Um,
instead of focusing eye to eye, sometimes these people start start not even focusing on what's going on around them. They're trying to stay alive. I mean, it's scary. Decision has to be made by the staff sometimes, you know, how to go about
increasing someone's oxygen level. It's very hard in these patients because the damage to their lungs is permanent. It's not like someone comes in with asthma where you can reverse it. It's irreversible damage to their lungs. When you take your stethoscope out and you
listen to someone's chest and you don't hear anything, you don't hear the breath sounds because of how scarred up the lung tissue is. You don't have the balloons, your lungs opening, closing, opening, closing to keep your oxygen level up. When it gets
bad enough, yes, you put a breathing tube in. Um, and it's It's tough because you know you don't have you got to get it in. You know as a clinician there's no choice if you don't get this breathing tube in it's over. Um
and this was would be a relief when you know the tube is in the right place and giving someone more oxygen. Um these people get breathing tubes they go to the intensive care unit. Okay that's what happens. And there from a society
standpoint of view it's about5 or $10,000 a day for someone to be in an ICU who's intubated you know with a breathing tube. So that's where I'm coming from and that's just from my life experience.
This is not the board. This is just me speaking about it. Um, I just think this nicotine-free generation was a pretty creative thing to do. Um, my feeling is that Border Health doesn't
miss this unusual opportunity to do something. Your past year has been awful financially and you know the issue is whether or not something could be delayed. you know, in other words, a
startup date, you know, putting it out there a number of years, whatever, to give you a chance to change your business model, which I'm sure you're you hear me say this every time you come in. Um, what's going to bring
the people in? It's changing the the products or you're going to provide a service, something that's new that's going to bring in your customers. It's it's crucial to maintain your business. Things are changing. Um,
you know, I was thinking driving over here, what happened with the water department? What did the water department here in town do last summer? They banned the use of underground irrigation systems. Okay?
Because we have a drought. That was a decision that department made affected a lot of people. The landscapers big business here. Instead of cutting the lawns every week, they were cutting it every three weeks. Grass doesn't
grow. It's not getting watered. The companies that put irrigation systems in, no one's no one's paying for that. You know, maybe we won't ever be able to use them again. Who knows? The nursery, who's buying shrubs, unless they want to go out and be watering with a hose, you
know, so their business is down. Who's buying grass seed? It's it's not a good time to probably be doing it. What about the hardware store? Selling a lawn mower, selling rakes, whatever. So, it's affected a lot of businesses. Uh, we're still in a drought, so I'm not sure what
the water department plans for this summer. I don't know if that anything has changed. So, it's difficult. It's really difficult to see if there's something that we can do to to start this process out there. All right? Because I think
it's going to happen. It's going to happen all over at some point. And when I said it was a creative idea, it's because it's being spread out over decades and decades and decades. But yes, each year there will be fewer
customers for tobacco products. And I just urge everyone there, you know, and the people listening who own stores that have, you know, nicotine licenses, you you need to be thinking outside the
box of something that's very new that you hadn't thought that you were ever going to be selling to be realistic. So, that's what I have to say tonight. Anyone else? >> Um, I I'll I'll certainly agree with
Hillard. My first experience as a nurse was at Mass General's respiratory intensive care unit. And that's where they take care of people who are intubated and have um difficulty breathing and can't do it on their own. They have to have a machine to do it for
them. So I certainly know the um the very horrible things that can happen when you can't breathe for many reasons for lung cancer for damage to your lungs for diseases. Um but personally um I think that the time
has not come to do this this year. And I'd like to see it put off for another year um or two even until we get through with the the sewer project and the disruption that there has been to the
businesses along Route 28 um and other places too where there's been detours certainly um or to um if if the board other board members voted to pass such a a resolution
that the date be such that again it would be put off for a couple of years because I think that um I don't think it's going to matter that much if we wait a year or two. I plan to still be on the board and I can be held
to my saying that I would be willing to support it in a year or two. Um but again I think that I think that the timing is not right. We just we just heard from the people who are being affected by the plastic reduction um
which you know didn't originate with the health department but with a townwide vote um to ban plastic completely completely which is just unreasonable. The nitrogen free generation does not
ban it completely. It bans it by generation by year. When person becomes um of age when they might otherwise have been able to purchase cigarettes. >> Thank you. Uh
I think putting it off is she says it, you know, is a good idea. I just, you know, originally it was for 2006, right after the year or if you're born after the year 2006. Um my feeling is
to have something set up so you know add three years on top of it be fine. I mean it's it's a big deal you the owners really is. Um I just don't think if there's not a start date
that people are going to get around to it. Who wants to do something they don't want to be doing? It's hard to get around to stuff that's all right. It's really hard to get around to do things that you don't want to be doing. And the certain reason I'd be inclined to support starting this, but putting a
date way off number of years um that people who are in the business where they sell nicotine need to have a couple years and get going and make the change. There was another town that just came on board, right? Didn't you?
>> Yes. Um I apologize. I don't can't >> the college town up there. Um >> it was the 24th community in the Commonwealth that >> Yes. >> Is that it? >> I'm I can't I'm not going to say for sure, but another one did just come
aboard with it. So, I'm not sure that much would change in one year, right? I mean, things are suing still going on for the stories that are, you know, around there. It's not going to be it's not going to be over that way. I mean, I think the only
thing I'm, as I said, think that having something out there that will start is going to be helpful from a health standpoint of view. >> From my perspective, I think that understanding the catastrophic negative health risk risks imposed by consuming
tobacco products. It's very Larry, >> do you mind talking to the microphone a little bit more, please? Thank you. I think un Understanding the catastrophic negative health risks imposed by consuming tobacco products, it's very hard to suspect that any retailer would consider
from a moral perspective that the profits potentially gained from not implementing this mandate a worth loss revenue. What's shocking to me is the searent lack of uh across the cape
support for this mandate. I totally agree with u uh the Hill that that um it's all the health implications from tobacco are so clear that um it
it's it's a fact that we're going to have to face this at some point. Um so one of the alternatives would might be what uh Dr. Hill uh recommends and that's uh
picking a date and um saying we'll implement implement the uh program on that date. Give everybody a little more time to adjust to it. I know there, you know, I was really
strongly for it. Um, you know, until I went to uh well, until I heard at the last meeting uh uh a discussion from the U. Chamber of Commerce about the uh
issues with sewers. Um and then with um went to the selectman's meeting and there uh they seemed to push a lot of push back from from from them uh especially from a a business
perspective. So I I started to think that uh you know maybe a little more flexibility on our part is appropriate. Um but you know at the same time we're kicking the can down the road. um at this at some point we're going to have
to deal with it. I think it's a it's a in fairness to our young people that it's a something that re really needs to be addressed and um so I would I would certainly consider picking going along
with picking a date in the future that we could implement this mandate and perhaps at that point other towns might decide the same and it would be more equitable for all the businesses. because uh you know they they'd have the same business
constraints that that people in Yarmouth would would have to deal with. So >> yeah, you said that the Oracle, right? United Kingdom started. >> Yeah, that they were across the board. I think that was cut and dry.
>> They put it out there to 2009, right? >> Put it off. >> Okay. to give >> and I think it isn't doesn't that include any age? >> I don't think there was an age. I think it was >> was born after 2009. >> Okay.
>> Instead of you know the draft that we had written was 2006 I think. >> Okay. >> Scott, your thoughts? >> Yeah, I mean I think you know definitely can't take it lightly as far as the the business impact. and I as as someone who
operates um in the community um in the healthc care sphere um obviously our our primary focus is healthcare but at the same time we are a business and we we do have to generate a profit um to continue to provide those services. So I you know understand and absolutely respect um that component. Um that being said I I
do feel strongly um that a date should be set. Um, you know, I think if we table it for a year or two, we revisit, um, I I just my concern is it's going to be the same conversation and it's going to be tabled again for a year or two. Um, and it's not
>> push back, >> right? You know, and again, it's not it's not an espersion um or or a negative comment towards anyone. Um, but it is it's going to be it's going to be a business impact in a year or two and then, you know, we're going to have to wait another year or two. I guess my
my concern is that if we don't set some guideline or time frame to it that it's it's going to be the waiting game for somebody else to do it and that could be 5 10 years from now. Um so I you know I do feel strongly about it. I do feel it's appropriate to to provide safety um
for for kids especially as you know I'm a dad of of two daughters an 8-year-old and a a year um one and a halfyear-old. Um, so I do feel it's it's appropriate to put that safety net for for you know the kids in our town. Um, I you know I
would support it not going into effect immediate, but I do think that uh a time frame should be set even if it's you know someone born after 2010. It gives you about two years to to prep for it. Um, but I don't think tableling it and
revisiting it in a year or two is is necessarily going to be beneficial. You know, we had sent a draft to town council. We haven't gotten it back yet. >> They were busy with town meeting and stuff. >> Should be irrelevant. >> To some degree, we'll find that out from
a legal standpoint of view. Um, so we don't really have that either to look at this point. >> Mr. Chair, we do have a couple hands up on the uh >> on Zoom. >> I was hoping we'd have some here, too,
but Okay, >> Liam, if you want to let one of them in, Ricky or Yell, then we'll get to the audience have questions after these. You letting him in? >> Maybe not. Maybe we could go to the
audience then while we wait. >> Hello. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. Hi, my name is Attorney Elm. Um, and I represent some business owners at the town of Yarmouth and around the Cape
Cod. Um, and basically what we really want to infer and and advocate today is the fact that this kind of ban will put a huge substantial financial deficit to the small business
owners. Um, I mean, as well as if one town does does this ban and uh a neighboring town does not, this means that what's going to happen is is local businesses are going to lose a lot of revenue for other um neighborhood um
towns. Um, our local businesses and small businesses are going to lose a lot of their revenue. Um, a lot of revenue has come back has come from tobacco. A lot of these um business owners also are minorities um and this is basically
their business and this is how they fund their families and local communities and it's going to to be a huge impact on minorities in our in our towns. Um furthermore, I mean let's not forget um we do need to to honor the freedom of
choice. Um and this is a choice. I mean we also not all of us use deodorant or hairspray or you know color our hair because we don't feel that it's healthy for our hair and other people do and this is the same thing with drinking
with smoking with not eating healthy with using some kind of hygiene products as opposed to either hygiene products. This is people's choices and basically eliminating this choice one is very
anti-American and two it is up to the individual and is up to the adult to basically decide when they are adults what they want to do with their bodies what they want to do with smoking with eating with drinking etc. And if we start with this type of law where is it
going to end? Are we also going to basically um unlaw make it unlawful to sell alcohol in our town? Are we going to make it unlawful to sell fast food in our town or hairspray or certain types
of cleaning products that we deem are unhealthy? I mean, this is something that one, we need to give freedom of choice to the adults in our towns. Two, if we do do this, this is going to harm our business owners and especially our
minority business owners who often um are the are the owners of of the local um um local convenience stores and the stores that do sell tobacco. Um and three, um it's not only specifically for minorities, but like I said, a lot of our local business owners will lose
revenue. they will have to close shop and all the people in the in in the town or people that are coming to visit the town are going to go to other local towns and other neighboring towns in order to to purchase those products. So for all those reasons, I think that the
town of Yarmouth should not consider this motion. It is only going to harm it financially economically. It's going to harm our small small business owners. And again, when is it going to stop? Are we also going to do a motion like this for alcohol and other products that
somebody deems are unhealthy? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Any hands up? >> Yeah. Ricky P or >> Yep. Can you hear me? >> Yes, sir.
>> All right. So, I just want to ask uh the data Hillard and Mary keep talking about with cigarettes. >> Excuse me. Could you just intro Excuse me. Could you introduce yourself and are you >> Ricky, resident of Yarmouth? >> And which district are you in? >> Yarmouth board. >> Okay, great. Thank you.
>> All right, so the data Hillard and Mary keep referring to are saying cigarettes and everything, but you're referring to a nicotine-free generation. I hope you guys realize there's nicotine pouches, there's uh nicotine vaporizers and stuff that have helped a lot of people quit smoking cigarettes that you're talking about that you've taken care of. I don't
know when when you guys retired from the industry, but I want to see some data that shows how many deaths are in relation to uh nicotine pouches or uh vaporizers or you know uh nonmokable products because nicotine free generation would refer to everything.
And then I also want to understand how you guys will be stopping online retailers from sending products into Yarmouth. Uh or are you just going to attack the little businesses? And now I don't have a business in Yarmouth. I'm a resident of Yarmouth, but I have quit smoking cigarettes via nicotine pouches, vaporizers, and whatnot. So, you know, I
just wanted to ask those questions. And also, I think the town itself is just kind of uh upset that you guys just go above and beyond and overreach and decide what young adults can do and not do, even if they're 18 years old. These are voting members of society. How are you going to decide for them that what
they can and can't do? It absolutely makes zero sense to me. I mean, I feel like the board of health is just completely overreaching again. And uh the select board also asked you that this is not a great idea. It's already hurting the little businesses. I live in Yarmick. We can't even get plastic water bottles. And you know there's about what
10 people that came up in front of you so far today just with a plastic ban. And you guys are still going ahead with this. I mean it makes zero sense. >> Thank you. Thank you for your comments. >> Will you answer any of those questions or no? >> We don't have the answers in front of us
right now. So, >> okay. So, you got just football. Okay. >> These are I don't know if you've been following us. We've been discussing probably every single thing you brought up. >> Um hope if not you know you can certainly it's all recorded. If you want
to look at our previous meetings back to the 1st on December 1st of last year discussing this a lot of the issues that you have brought up. I know, but the data regarding where you're saying that, you know, you're referring to nicotine free generation, but you're saying cigarettes
have caused all these issues and all that that I want to see the data that shows that vaporizers or nicotine pouches and stuff like that that hasn't helped a lot of people quit cigarettes and are on a better healthier path. Now, you're going to, you know, >> stop that as well. actually some
research that was came out today on vaping that it is very harmful, possibly carcinogenic, and we will be learning more about vaping, and we knew we would be as time went on. >> I know, but it's not out there, right? There's no data is what I'm saying.
There's no evidence-based data. >> You'd have to wait about 10 or 15 years, probably long-term studies to determine whether the Sir, I'm speaking, sir. Just wait. We g sir we gave you plenty of chance to speak okay and you can certainly speak further but don't
interrupt the board please when we're speaking I'm in reference to the vaping yeah there are a lot of chemicals there are a lot of metals that are being inhaled the end result yes we don't have a study back on that um I don't know you
Mary did you have reference to a specific study or something that's no yeah um so so that's that's >> that's what that's I'm claiming Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you. >> No, yeah, interrupting. It's helpful when people call in for
discussion purposes. For sure. You know, there are nicotine products that are to help people stop smoking and using nicotine. I mean there are products to buy for that. You know nicotine does cause several
serious diseases. Basically it causes increased heart rates, blood pressure. Um, nicotine leads to some changes in length of uh for pregnancies, premature birth that nicotine affects brain development. So, it's not totally
benign. >> So does alcohol. So does marijuana and all these areas you guys are discussing at all. >> That's not on the agenda here. So we're not discussing those. I don't think we're going to discuss it tonight. So we're trying to concentrate on this one
subject of nicotine. Anyone else? Someone here? >> One more. >> Just in response to Ricky, I think that he hasn't heard all our previous discussions. We've been through all uh >> I've been to every meeting. I've listened to every hearing. I was at the select board meeting. I was also at the
last one when they called you in as well. Well, Ricky, we we addressed all the issues you pointed out tonight and and gave our position on it, why we felt that uh >> it just feels like you guys are doing what you want. It doesn't feel like, you know, there's any evidence-based data or
anything like that. Like, you can't tell an adult what he can and can't do. I mean, that should that should be at the end of the story right there. >> Well, what what about uh the tremendous impact it has on the health care system? Um >> so in the 1950s it had a much larger
impact on the health care systems where more than 50% of the US population was smoking and uh you know nowadays cigarette smoking has gone down to almost 10 to 15% of the population which is nearly not as detrimental and now the rest of it is nicotine pouches
vaporizers and other things that you know there is no evidence-based data showing that it is more or less harmful yet. Well, Ricky, all those people from the 1950s and60s are now in the health care system and cost in the health care system a tremendous amount of money
because of the chronic disease that smoking causes. And that's a proven fact. >> Yes. But the proven fact also is now that 15% or less are smoking now. >> You're you're correct. >> That's we're trying to prevent
uh future generations from going through the same problem. uh they're they're really not in a position where they can really make that determination at this point because they're unaware of all the long-term health issues that are associated with with tobacco.
>> So, adults are notified about these. So, people aren't just unaware of what cigarette causes. I mean, everything has a label on it these days, even with cigarettes, pack of tobacco, whatever. I mean, it all is labeled. It's pretty well known. I mean, people aren't ignorant completely, I would imagine.
Yeah. No, there's been a dramatic reduction in smoking for sure, but it's um >> it became public. Sir, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, just wait a second. I'm speaking. All right. I think we're giving you a chance. U just to
remind everyone this is not >> uh a public hearing. Okay. This this board has been very generous. anyone can come up and and speak at length. Okay, that's not usually the way it it works. So, we don't take this lightly. But the
point I was going to make became public, it was 1964 that smoking was detrimental to your health. And so that's 62 years of education has certainly helped and awareness and changing advertising and
so on. But still, yes, the US it's I think it's 18% of the people still are are are smoking or at least using nicotine and it's not going to be illegal to smoke or to have a sir. Sir, will you let me
finish or we'll end this conversation right now? And I don't want to do that. No one's in, you know, interrupted you. >> Okay. Anything else, sir? And then we'll we'll call it on this call. What else would you like to share with us? >> I was just saying you're going to
continue allowing online retailers to sell the products, but you're going to have to penalize these local business owners that are here in front of you. >> Okay. As I as I said, it's um it's not a issue of legality of smoking or a right to smoke. Someone
Yes. If someone wants to smoke, they'll be able to smoke. This is not going to change that. Someone wants to use nicotine, they can. Purchasing it is the change. Yes. The idea is having fewer people start getting addict addicted to
nicotine. We do have one more hand up, Mr. Chair. >> Okay, sure. >> Hello. >> Yeah. >> Hello. Just introduce yourself. Think they took their hand out.
We got another one up. Nish Liam if you could. >> Hi. >> Yes, we can hear you. >> My name is Nilles Maratya. I don't know I'm able to speak or not to the town but I live in Sandwich and I'm a resident of the sandwich. So I'm allowed to speak or
no? >> What? >> No, it doesn't work that way. We we found out that once we opened the door uh we get calls from all over the country literally on a different issue. So unless someone has a business here or
lives here uh we cannot allow uh you to speak because of that. Okay. Anyone else? >> All right. Sorry. >> No problem. No problem. >> I don't see anybody else on there. Gentlemen, good evening board. Uh Pares Patel
Station Avenue Convenience Store. We've been talking seeing each other quite often lately. Um completely opposed to this NFG. I'm not going to repeat everything discussed all this time.
I'm going to give my consent to attorney Yan. She said it very perfectly. Two things I heard from the board all the time that health and think outside the box.
So tobacco and nicotine is not the only problem we have related to the health adult choice 21 years old. Who we are to tell someone who's 21 years old you cannot do this. I'm very opposed to this restriction about NFG. The second second
things I keep hear every time I come you have something to say think outside the box. Can you give us a scenario like what you explaining like how we can think outside the box? We've been in the business more than 30 years myself on the Cape Cod. You don't think that we think outside
the box? It's very very hard for us. When did you go to uh when did you went to the convenience store last time or anyone from the board? >> I go often. >> Yeah. >> And what do you buy? >> Lottery tickets. >> Exactly. So, so as you are my customer,
if the board or state decide stop selling lottery ticket, what do I got to think outside the box convince you to come back to my store? There is nothing >> save me money. >> Exactly. Good for you. and sucks to the you know the state not going to make the
money right what I'm trying to tell you is there's nothing we can do we try we are on top of our business dayto-day operation we are constantly go to the trade show we constantly bring the new product but there's nothing you can bring to the convenience store
what we have behind the counter like you know Barry said the lottery ticket we sell we make five six cents per dollar and the cigarette tobacco and nicotine that's that's what we have candy and soda people buy is we don't make any money on that. There's not enough volume
for us to stay in business. There is nothing for us to think outside the box. I think at this point board need to think outside the box and think about the businesses instead of just thinking about the health concept. Local citizen
21 plus years old people you guys need to think outside the box not the retailer. We do our best to survive. Thank you. Good evening. >> Good evening. Hi. >> My name is Alum. I'm a resident and registered border in town of Yamis. I own three businesses here. Two of them
is leased. One of them I run it. Uh you're right. Cigarette is not good for you. We all know that. >> I know that like you said the cigarette is not good for you. We all know that. But all what you doing now, you shifting
all the businesses. We repeating deaths every single time. We should wait. All what we ask you wait to see what the state is going to do, what other towns going to do, what to see what the effect. You mentioned UK, they just started this year. They banned
everything. It was this year they want to or next year they're gonna start it. >> That's not what they did. >> They they they nicotine free generation same thing. Anything anybody was born after 2009 he's not allowed to buy cigarette anymore. Do you know what the
effect on that is going to be? Nobody knows. We should wait to see what is going to how it's going to be affecting all the businesses and then we can make a decision. This is the way we should do it.
Not not like you know start we always like we want to start it here why we are a small town we can't afford it nobody can afford it why we want to start it in Yanos there is like how many town in 360 town in Massachusetts
and do you know that's over 50,000 investor left UK because of those nonsense decision do you know that's 150,000 people left Massachusetts since 2023
to live somewhere else because of they not because of those businesses maybe maybe because of health maybe because of other stuff we don't know what it is but people leave in Massachusetts Cape Cod it's one of them all the college student they leave for college
they try to come back here they can't afford nothing in here they can afford houses they can for for to buy stuff if cup of coffee with all those plastic band it's going to be maybe $4 a cup
they can't afford it how couples going to get married and make a make a living make make a life make a family I'm with you all what we asking like hold on to it stop it for now let's see what the state is going to
do let's see other town what's going to you and then we'll make a decision. we with you if you if we saw like a there is like a good reason for that we we will be we will be with you but as long as there is no study there is no uh we
don't see any uh effect in any time we don't see like what happened in you said you mentioned England we don't know if it's going to be good for England or not they just did it we did the plastic bottle they still buying it from somewhere else and you saw one of the selectman board. They
have the plastic bottle right in there. She goes somewhere else. And this is what they going to do. This is all what they going to do. What you doing? Bandon that if you're doing the nicotine free generation, you telling the kids, go buy it somewhere else. They're not going to
stop smoking. We don't want them to smoke. We don't. If the state did it, that's fine. Let the state do it all over Massachusetts. And we are with it. They banned the the the the mental. We complained a little bit. We lost, we
still losing business. People still going somewhere. We lost like maybe 30% of our business. We lived with it because local maybe quit smoking. Maybe they will change to something else. That's fine. But when you taken it from between Yarmas and
Hayanis, there is a convenience store right in the beginning of Hyanes like not even one minute from the board of Yarm Hyanes board. people's going to go there. This is all
what you're doing. So, please hold on to it. We are with you. The the road is going to the sewer is going to be another two years, right? And then after that, they're going to start the sidewalk on 28. That's another two years.
I I have I have like around $45,000 uh expense every month. How you want me to pay that? If every year you taking some of my business away, how I'm going to afford that? You want me to close it? I can make it like a
junkyard. I I swear to God, I can close it tomorrow and then make it a junkyard. Make it look like a junkyard in on 28. Is that what you want? Because this is what you're pushing us to do. I spent $3.2 $2 million on that property
to make it look nice and I have other stuff. I'm making sandwiches there. I'm trying to make a living there. I'm we doing everything we can. But you taking that stuff from us every year something else. Next year you're going to tell me you
can't you can't sell uh fast food. I I sell uh burgers and chicken. You're going to come and tell me no, you can't sell it anymore because it's for the heart. is not good. And what I'm going to do, you know what the worst thing for your
health is the stress that's every year we've been put on into every year. Again and again and again. All what we asking wait until the state make a decision and we are with you.
Thank you. Anyone else? Great. Come on up. >> Yeah. My name is Vishal Shukla. I'm from uh I'm owner of the port village store and I think both side did a lot of work
but my thing is Mr. Scott uh just mentioned you have two small daughter right? >> Yep. >> Okay. So in the future just the thoughts of it I think it's I have two kids 124 118
when they come when they ask anything about it I says beta this is beta means kid this is not good so sometime schools need to step up and
do the education seminar Everybody needs to do the education seminar regarding to the nicotine. That is not good for you. I as a parent, I do that all the time. My friend Perez, he just spoke. He has
two kids. They all they both are adults. They don't smoke because we guide them not to smoke. So do you think as a retailer when we do everything right
IDs and everything to prevent the smoking from the adults u sorry kids doesn't don't you guys thinking that parents should do some education for their kids also instead of us decide
them not to smoke school seminar parent seminar let's do that let's educate if like how many parents comes in the meeting to saying okay NFG is good I never see any parents
none so I think what we should do is we should do the seminar for the parents to educate their kids to not to smoke, not us.
So I'm not I'm not saying I I am against it the NFG but not for the health reason. I'm I'm saying like let the parents educate their kids, let the school educate their students,
not us. That's all I had to say. any any thoughts your about my comments? >> No, I mean I you know I agree. Um I think as as a parent, you can't shelter your child from the world or life,
right? I think, you know, kind of to to the point a lot of you have made. Um if you do it here, they just go down the road. If they're going to do it, they're going to do it. Um, I do think that a lot of it does fall back on, you know, just specifically to the parenting component is instilling values and and
guiding your kids the best you can and hope they make the right decision. Obviously, I think there comes a point where they make the decision they're going to make, right? I think you can't control that fully as a parent. to a point you can and then you kind of just
>> I think the parents who give a birth to the kids they cannot control the kids but we can that's that's only my argument is thanks for listening you course thank
you thanks for coming Hi, Mary Vilban, uh, president of the Yarmouth Chamber of Commerce. I'm really not sure what I'm going to say right now, but um, I've had a lot of emotions by watching your meetings over the past several months. I want to thank you for the process that you've allowed. I want
to thank all of these business owners that have come meeting after meeting after meeting to advocate for themselves. Um, I just wanted to bring up a couple of thoughts. Um, I know I looked at the list of the other communities, 22 23
towns. Um, no one is comparison to Yarmouth. I want to bring up two separate economic issues that Yarmouth faces that the other towns on those lists do not. One is the seasonality. A lot of these businesses that are
behind me right now definitely have an influx of income during the peak season. As you can imagine, in the 12 years that I've been here on the Cape, that season has shortened. What I my um impression is it's gone
from 12 weeks down to eight weeks. Some may disagree, but that's my sentiment. The other thing is is that Yarmouth tax base in the 12 years that I have been here has decreased to below 4%
commercial tax base. That means 96% of the tax base is being paid by your residents because businesses cannot survive in this town. And this is one instance where we could
lose more businesses. And this is a perfect example of a regulation that could do that. And I don't want to get personal, but I watched my father die of lung cancer. he was a smoker and he worked in an industry that probably also had an
impact on his lungs. Um, so I know firsthand what someone goes through for smoking, but I also feel it's a legal business. It is a right for these businesses to have that option to sell a
product or not. And I'm not going to reiterate everything that everybody says, but it's where do we draw the line? Alcohol kills probably more people than cigarettes today,
right? But we're not banning alcohol. And believe me, I'm compassionate to the subject wholeheartedly. The last time I was before you, I had asked if you had brought in any educators to see what's happening in our
schools. And I believe the answer was no. Is that correct? >> I didn't know that was a formal request. We certainly can speak to the uh the nurse in in the school system. Um I mean
that that's fine. Um I don't think the issue of education is uh is something unique or new. I think it's been helpful. However, um, health classes way back when I took them, you know, health class in high school, they were already
talking about it. So, and that was a lot of years ago. So, I don't >> that's why I think it's made a significant impact over the years. >> It it has. As I said again, it was 62 years of education in this country and yet still in this country 18% of the people are still using nicotine.
>> Correct. So what could the business owners do in partnership in educating the consumers? Um if I can also over the last year I think the chamber's been a huge advocate working with the board of health the plastic reduction right we
went from a complete ban to now having a substitute products that our businesses can use. So, let's I encourage you to find a way to work with the business community and find a happy medium that can work for all of us instead of making a decision this evening. Um, the chamber
would be more than happy to work with you with representatives of the business community to find something that works for all of us. And I encourage you to do that. We've done it. we've been successful in
the past. Let's do it again. >> Ju just to point out something you're well aware of. Uh the you were working on the regulation obviously for plastic reduction and that began on January 1st, current one. >> Y
>> and that's a ban on a lot of products. This nicotine-free generation approach is something that's going to take decades and decades and decades to be fully uh complete. Okay? It's quite different. It's not like back when alcohol suddenly that day was banned.
It's not a ban that way. It's one year at a time trying to prevent people from getting addicted to nicotine. That's really what's behind it. >> No. And I completely understand that. And I again at the last meeting I attended, I also stated that one year
from now, if you put that regulation in, every one of the business owners behind me will be able to give me data of how their revenue has decreased. And will you be able to give us data of how many lives you've impacted to
decrease people of smoking in the town of Yarmouth? They will be able to give you the numbers. they will know firsthand how their income has decreased. >> Smoking is the number one reversible,
you know, diseases really that could be it could be prevented. All right. So that's, you know, that's part of part part of this >> and I ask you and I urge you to take into consider the commercial tax base that Yarmouth has that is quickly
declining because of our wastewater project that is going to keep going for several years on Route 28 and impact not just Route 28 but the surrounding businesses. So I ask you and I urge you once again
to please either hold off on this regulation or work directly with the chamber to find something that works. >> Did you have something specific they had in mind? >> But we didn't when we first sat down with the plastic reduction either and we came up with a really great solution I
think. >> Well, there was a full regulation prior to that to work from which was very helpful. Right. Let's see what other communities are doing. >> Okay, Mr.
Anyone else? This is the opportunity. So, board members, comments, how you want to proceed here? Um, once again, the only thing I mentioned is that we don't really have a a draft to even consider. Um, that doesn't really
necessarily going to influence everything we could do tonight or not do. >> I just think there's enough push back here that uh probably not a good idea to keep going forward with this proposal.
as important as I think it is, but at the same time I I I just don't think our town is or our community is ready for it. So, for that reason, I think that we
should uh let let it go at least for the time being. >> Okay. I mean, if you want make a formal motion. We have four people. Last time we were down to three, so it made sense. >> Well, I make a do that.
>> Yeah, sure. I make a motion that uh you know at this point we I don't know how I should word it table the NFG uh just because it's just so much push back from the community uh and and so many other factors that uh
you know we have to consider that um at this point I don't think it'd be constructive for the board of health to to pass this >> second Okay. Any further discussion? >> How long would you like to table it for?
>> I mean, we could bring it up again in a year, but I don't know. So, I I don't really I think we'd have to see the climate change as far as the whole cape goes uh before we really considered it a a mandate for Yarmouth.
I just think it's it's just too against the flow for Yarmouth to take this position at this point, you know. >> Is that concise enough for a motion? you want >> he can it and then it doesn't need to be
>> okay no I just want to make sure okay that's all anyone else any discussion on it so certainly there's a second for the motion or any any other >> but I I would reserve the all the opportunity to bring it up again
if if we feel it's appropriate or the timing is appropriate I Okay. So, let's vote on it. All in favor of the motion, raise your hand, say I. >> I. >> Against say nay. >> Nay. >> So,
the motion doesn't pass. It's a tie. So, it's still open. Um, we have a fifth person on the board that hopefully will be here next time. Um and we could continue discussion in the next meeting now.
>> Okay. Just a second, sir. Sir, as a courtesy to you, come on up and speak. Okay. This is against all the rules of how you run these meetings. Okay? Please come and and speak. >> Again, this is what we talking about the
stress you putting us on. We've been like too many meeting. we leave in our family to come here every single time. I didn't have dinner yet. My kids didn't have dinner yet. Most of those kids, guys, they did not have dinner yet with their family. Every other week, we come
in here and then again and again and again and again. Please stop dragging it. Make a decision. Let's let's put it on hold for now. And let's like Mr. said, "Let's wait to see the the effect
on other town and then we'll go for it. We can't just keep doing that." Seriously, you put in a lot of stress. I swear to God, I can't sleep the night before we come here and the night we leave here. I won't be able to sleep
until like 3 4:00 in the morning because I'm thinking about it. And this is what affect you more than cigarette, more than alcohol, more than fast food, more than anything else. And I'm not joking. I'm saying I swear to God, this is what happened to me
every single time we come in here. And I'm pretty sure most of the guys, they do this, it happened to them the same thing. And the effect on their family, too. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, so we'll put it on for the
next agenda. That's all. Okay. Um, um, there's a obviously this is a tough one for the board. Um, there's some really powerful arguments on both sides. Our primary responsibility is to protect
the health of the people in town. That's our responsibility. We're considering obviously the businesses and that's what the conflict has been for our discussions. Okay. So we have minutes and that's from April
6, 2026. Anyone have any edits, any changes? If I don't hear any, we'll soon see any issues with it. I propose we accept the minutes as written. >> Second.
>> Fine. All in favor? Yes. I'm sure. Fine. So, >> let's go on to announcements. Who's on announcements tonight? >> I got a couple, Mr. Chair. >> Um, we had a couple health fairs coming
up. Um May 15th is the um Sarah, which one's that? The senior center. Um the Yarmouth Senior Center is having a a health fair and we have that one. And then we also have a big one May 30th. It's a
Saturday. It's in collaboration with uh town of Yarmouth, the town of Dennis and the county. Uh 60 plus tables. I'm looking at a couple hundred uh participants. We have uh the golf uh the golf department's going to be there
doing a golf simulator. The DNR is going to have touch a truck. There's going to be a lot of it's going to be a good fun Saturday afternoon. So, it's a good positive one. Yes, ma'am. >> Is there going to be any smoking education? >> 100%. Mary, I would like to we can put
up a a booth for some smoking education, >> please. >> I will get some paraphernalia together for that. and that um all the information for both the health fairs are up on our website. Um you're more than welcome to come take a look at it. If you have questions,
feel free to give us a call. Okay, great. >> Um couple other things. Human service grants were due. We have um we're coming up yet, but we have quite a few. And so
we'll look at those on June 15th meeting. So, you've had quite a few applications come in. >> Yeah. >> So, the next meeting is what date? >> May >> 18th, isn't it? >> I thought you were saying June. No, I had it 18th. >> May 18th.
>> May 18th to June 15th because of the contracts with finalizing everything. So, I need to work on our templates and stuff. So, that will give you some time to >> No, I just meant the next meeting is the 18th. That's all. >> Yes, it is. >> Yeah. No, you have a lot to do in that.
Yeah. Okay. Sorry, >> Barry. What else do we have? >> Um, in your package, you see some lungs uh lung cancer screenings. Um, I didn't I apologize. I didn't read this for adults with at risk, which will I can
definitely put this in our packet for the uh for the school when we have the health fair. Um, measles. You were, um, H, you want to talk about measles? >> Um,
nothing new. It's more for educational, but it was this, uh, one article I came across where, um, an infant um, did get measles. Uh, the little baby was too young to get the first vaccination
and did get measles and got through it. And about eight years later, I believe the child started to have all kinds of symptoms and started to have significant brain damage from the reactivation of the measles virus.
And that was news to me that could that could happen that that much of a delay could happen and have such devastating effects. The kid died at age eight. So that was all I learned something from it. So I was
aware of All right. I I do have one item and this is um >> here and this is thinking about that. >> I was thinking about this today. >> Yeah. So >> So this is a draft. Absolute draft. I
just did this before coming over um for logging all the businesses that have coming in. I mean it the lot it's getting longer and longer and longer to keep track of this. So um could you do some feedback about
it? These are some of the basic things. I don't know somehow to keep track of especially when these people need to come or we need to let them know it's time to come for you know the re-evaluation date. It's just somehow to have a log. So, we don't have to use
anything from this, but we need something to keep it organized for us to look back on it. Um, so maybe we could have that for the next meeting. Just >> definitely >> if anyone thinks ahead of time, just send an email to everybody just, you know, one comment about it. It's just
something to, >> you know, would help you Barry to put it together ultimately. Yeah. whatever works for you, but just to keep us organized, um I think it would be helpful. >> And we can just include it with a packet so we don't need to discuss or anything just so we can keep track of it and
everything. That'd be good. >> Yeah. And one thing I completely forgot to do is introduce our new member, uh Mary Wall. Um she's been with us, when did you start doing your internship? >> February.
>> February. So, it was brought to our attention prior to February that some of our regulations were a little outdated and we needed to get them updated to make sure they're current and still applicable. Um, big task. Uh, our staff
is we're short staff. We didn't have time to do that big of task and Mary just happened to come on. She was referred to us from the county. Um, great great asset. She's gone through multiple I'd say majority of our
regulations and have combined them, taken stuff out that hasn't um that's not applicable included stuff. Uh five or six of the big ones are already in um town council's hands for review. Um once we get those back, once we get them back
one at a time, we'll bring them in front of the board to um get them updated. But like to welcome Mary. Thank you. you've been a big help and we're very much looking forward to working with you from for a while now. So, >> welcome. >> How many regulations are there?
>> The we don't I don't know. There's like there's discrepancies between different lists that I've seen. That's part of the problem is that like in some places the law the regulations are written down and in some places they're not. So, it's it's kind of just a mess that
we're trying to I I would like to eventually ask that each member of the board um whoever is on the board at the time when it's completed have a a binder with them in it. >> Okay. >> And you would not have to photocopy them
each time something came up, >> but you would be responsible for having that. >> Yeah. >> And being able to refer to it ourselves as well as >> a final binder >> right during a meeting when that issue has come up. Yeah, great idea. >> That's not going to be quick. We'll get
it to you, but >> Well, I can tell from not even knowing how many. >> It's a 10-year plan anyway. Um, fiveyear plan. >> All right, sounds good. Um, so what got sent to town council? How what was selected to send exactly? >> Uh, the big ones, uh, septic
um hazardous waste. >> Stables is there out there right now. Um, NFG >> NFG is out there right now which is part of the tobacco since it was put into the
tobacco one which was updated previously but so we've put that into the um to tobacco one. What else? That's it right now. So >> I have a question about the tobacco one because we just got um was it last
meeting or recently a list of things that our tobacco regulation is not up to date on. So, did you >> not I haven't reviewed the tobacco one because I knew there was the question with the NFG. So, I just wanted to wait until that happened, but I can look at
it. >> And there are some that are not a huge push like uh horserawn carriages in town. We'll get to that one, but >> Oh, I love that one. Leave that. Leave that. >> Oh, it's charming. Yes. So there there's stuff like that that
are they're out there that like oh horse draw carriages in town. So but we'll get to that eventually. >> So is town council looking the regulations? There haven't been any changes made on the regulations. It's just they're looking at >> to make sure see what we've added and
have redlinined and taken out or redline and added to before we to make sure it's all legal to do. Then we'll bring in front of the board for you guys to review to vote on it to
make it an official regulation. >> Okay. >> We were doing it kind of backwards before where we'd make the regulation, vote on it, then send it to council. It should be the other way around. Council should have it first and then go from there.
>> Okay. Anything else? Just want to mention the May event um is the Cape Cod Foster Closet. So, we're collecting donations for their June event. They're having a summer June event. We're collecting bathing suits, towels, and flipflops for
all ages for kids and adults, too. um for the families that they support and that's through the month of May. And then on May 28th, we'll be having the executive director of K Foster come in
along with DCF um to give a speech on um or just to give a a presentation on how it um how you can become involved in being a foster parent and support families and and things like that. So that will be here and and we'll be
sending that out through the communications social media. It's on our website. >> Yeah, the collection is is for new >> new >> Yeah, it's for new items. That's one thing they >> new bathing suits, new towels, >> right?
>> And these are kids are being raised. Sometimes it's fostered parents, sometimes it's grandparents who didn't expect to be going through it again and raising children. And so it these are people certainly in need as as you know kids are expensive. Are you finding that out?
>> They are very very expensive especially girls. >> I have two girls so >> just start. >> Okay. Anybody anything else? Okay. Anybody want to do anything for us here? Like a motion of some sort? Come
on. >> Motion to adjourn today's meeting. Second. >> Okay. All in favor say I. Okay. Meeting adjourned. Thank you everyone.