is remoting it. Okay, I picked up on that over the months and years, but I never did so many steps memorize that long speech people had to say. Recording in progress. Okay, we're opening the uh community
housing committee for July 14, 2025. My name is Drew Krauss. I'm subbing in for the absent chair. Um, let's start with a roll call vote to uh call the meeting to order. Okay. Palm
Sanors here. Greg Wheeler here. Drew Krauss here. Lee Hamilton here. Dear Dquin here. Okay, we have a quorum. So, the meeting has been called to order. And the first
topic on the agenda are the minutes of the July June 9th, 2025 meeting. Um, there might be a couple of typos or something in here. Did you notice there? Okay. A couple of goof ups maybe, possibly.
I noticed a couple of typos. First, I also on the approval of the earlier minutes, I don't know why I approved the minutes for January 21st because I wasn't on the committee then. So, you have to take my name off that first one. And I don't think I was at the June 9th
meeting. So, you want to be marked as abstaining from the June 20? I think that's what you do. That's what you do because I wasn't present to be a You weren't a member yet. I wasn't a member yet. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't think I was at the June 9th
meeting. So, you think your name is there in error? No, it says members absent Lee Hamilton here. Okay. So, that is correct. Members absent. They're right. Got it. Yeah. So, that's correct. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. And uh Greg, did you have a did you want
to call attention to Yeah, there was a typo in the um my home consortium notes. Okay. Uh the home program was awarded uh it it should be uh $48,651 not 08651.
And I noticed that I didn't know what the number was reported 408. Yep. And there's a 2026 typo two lines down from that. And then my name is slightly misspelled at the bottom.
It's DEI. Okay. I will I would add too if if you want to give me that missing $400,000, I I'm not I don't have a problem taking. So 40848963 is correct. Uh 408651
for um fiscal year 2025. And the number for um uh fiscal year 2000. Oh, the 2006 is uh wrong too. 2026, sorry. But that number is correct. Oh, and there's an extra zero in 26.
Yeah. Memory. It's so weird because of 2026. I'm seeing a lot of people doing that. I don't know what it is. I wonder why. I don't know why. I don't know why. But anyways, maybe I don't know.
Now un maybe this is just me maybe you can under committee assignments starting on the bottom of the first page. Mhm. So we go down. It comes to Drew Krauss is a member of the community preservation committee via the Yarmouth
Housing Authority and will share agendas with the committee members who expressed interest in the community preservation committee who wear John Bar Greg Wheeler and Pomla Sonor.
But what but I don't understand what that means. I don't understand that at all. The representative from this committee and the community preservation committee. That's kind of garble garbled. I don't know what it means. You want to just strike it? We could strike it. Yeah. Yeah. The meaning is garbled.
I would add that I would uh withdraw any interest uh as well. I don't I I just don't want to make a commitment that I can't live up to. What is that in regard to? So, if we want to groom somebody to take over the position when you're done, right?
Okay. You suggested those people should start going to the meeting. I didn't suggest anything. Okay. Okay. But if they they want to do that, they're open meetings other than when we go into executive, we will strike that piece of the minutes and not broach the subject again. Okay.
All right. That was very decisive and I think that's a good thing. So, we've made some changes that we're I think we all agree they all make sense now, right? We're taking has expressed a desire to
hand over this responsibility. We're taking that off because I'm not there yet. We'll just take that whole. Yeah. Section and the whole section withdrew. Yep. Because I don't know what that that means. That's right. So, I guess we could go ahead
entertain a motion to accept. And you said your name was spelled wrong somewhere. Oh, at the bottom of the second page. Planning board. Deardra is spelled D E, not D I E. For goodness sake.
I make a motion that we approve the minutes as amended. Amended. Second, please. Second. Second the motion. Okay. So now we'll have a roll call vote. Palm I. Greg I. Drew I. Lee I.
Deerra. I passed unanimously. Okay. Now we're on to the next topic which is committee assignments of all things. So what are we going to want to say about Last time I spoke to the the
administrative support for the community housing committee, they they told me that everybody is up for reappoint. Okay. For the committee. They last year they only got appointed one year. All right. So I looked up the letter from last year
where the committee recommended Lee Hamilton to be the representative from this committee to the CPC. Okay. So there's a draft letter in there. It's from John Um, yes. A minute to look over because I think that we should send that in.
Um, you have to take a motion, a first and a second and to approve this letter. Yeah. Now, I I looked at it and I thought it was a good letter. What do you rest of you think? You still need to look at it a little more. No, not really.
Okay. I move that we accept the letter as written. Second. Okay. Now we'll have another roll call. Palm I Greg I I I I Okay, approved uni letter is approved
unanimously. I'll send that in and if it's already been done then the point is now we're on old business. The habitat project at 1121 Route 28 update.
Yep. So, they're ready to submit an application to the select board for a project eligibility letter to approve the site. That's the update. We don't have a date yet from the board of select members. Right. When we do, it would be good if we all
put it on our calendar and was there um just so that there's a lots of confidence in the project. All right. Okay. It's good. It would be good if we showed up. All of us if possible, as many of us as can possibly make it.
Uh B, old business mad utilization project July 15 workshop. I'm going at 6 PM here in this room. IRSVP to be I said I would go in in person. I plan
tomorrow at 6. Hopefully everybody can come. Yeah, we were supposed to RSVP. They they preferred that you RSVP, but they said, "Even if you don't RSVP, don't worry about it. We want you to come and didn't get to the RSVP." Yeah. But you see what I mean? It was just like we we want an idea of how many
people are coming. So, I went ahead and did that. But is everybody else in this committee going to be able to attend? Do you know? I I don't think so. I'm planning to go and I it they didn't have a click here for RSVP. It was just they said send an email. So, I also sent one said I'd be there in person. So, I I
That's what I meant. I sent an email. That's what I meant by RSVP. I didn't mention it. I don't think I got an email directly from them. I only from me. You got it from me. Yeah. And so, what we usually do is we if you're the staff person running one of
these meetings or surveys or etc., We send them out to the other town staff people and ask them to send them on to their committees and boards just because they have the most act up to-date list and um they rec committee members
recognize their email. So um but yeah, you guys had very strong comments and opinions about the utilization of the property. So I think you should come tomorrow. It's it's very important.
So, um I don't I don't know if you remember looking at the survey from the housing production plan. It was a range of opinions. There was no there was no spot that was more popular on the spectrum of of housing. There was no one
area that there was a definitive, you know, opinion about. It was all it went from we want a building moratorum to we want you know huge multifamily complexes and it was every every part of that
spectrum from no more housing to tons more housing there was no blip of popularity or sentiment strong sentiment so that's what they're finding with the muk survey it's there's no consensus
it's everywhere it's everywhere. Well, we can't do anything then. So, right. Well, somewhere in the middle, so why is that's that's a good thing. It there's there's not like an abundance of people saying it's not there's not like a majority of people saying, "Well,
we should be in the middle." It's going from zero to 100. It's just all over the place. I get what you're saying. I don't know the best way to put it. Yeah. There's no consensus. It's a huge range of opinions. Surprised me at all. I mean, you can't get two people to decide what to have for dinner. Never mind.
Well, some towns are are different. Myarmmouth is is at just for the last two decades that I've been working here, it's always been like Yes. Not every town is the same. Yeah. Because I, you know, I've been following things that are happening in Felmouth and that seems to be going quite a bit
different there in terms of housing and 40B projects and stuff. There are wait lists for committees and boards. Yeah. People wait to be on them. Yeah. Really? In Felmouth. Yeah. Yeah. Um, here I think we do as as well
as our appointments chair does. You know what I mean? Like we have vote a low vacancy rate if our appointments chair is active in appointing people. That's right. Population is a lot bigger too, isn't there? I mean there more there's more people there, right? Is there maybe 30,000? How many? 25.
speaker but I don't know if that's somewhere between 45 and 50 because Barnstables the I know the Barnstable Falmouth Yarmouth is are the top three that's what I that's what I thought yeah and they're the Bible the Felmouth and Yarmouth in that order Barnstable Felmouth Yarmouth yeah
yeah interesting though because Bonsible and Yamoth are considered uh um what do you call it the regions that do the regional the planning and consider them close to more urban in the areas.
So that is interesting. So we have new business which is the proposed starter home regulations. So this this is very interesting home zone thing I did not catch maybe I
did when they did the housing bill but um anyways um the state now allows towns and municipalities all municipalities to adopt
um a starter home zoning district right and you have to apply to them for um to get a letter of eligibility before you bring it to like town meeting. And um it's as of right uh no fewer than four
units per acre. These homes uh have to be no larger than 1,850 square feet in size. So they're smaller homes. Um 1,800.
It's gigantic compared to my home. Yeah. I think mine is 12 or something like that. That 1,800 doesn't sound small to me. No, I looked at a condor. I think if you looked at this the the houses that have been built in the last
10 years, you would say that these are compared to that small. Yeah, they're small. Um, yep. they um I think it's if you have a development that's over 12 units, you have to start to provide 10%
affordable. Um and you can go up to 110% of the area median income. Interesting concept to try to fill in that group of people. And you have to have at least you have
to have some type of mechanism in there that at least 50% of the homes are three bedrooms or more. I think that can happen um with a simple majority
at town meeting. Um, so I don't know if you want the comment period is this is this uh July 25th. I didn't see anything glaring that I would correct the state on.
So these are the state guidelines. These are the state guidelines. They're proposed at this state regulations that go along with the law that allows towns to have a starter home
zoning district because typically you cannot reg you cannot zone the size of a home or the number of bedrooms in a home. You can do density, height, setback, um like sometimes lot coverage, number
of parking spots, but you can't say that the house can only be 1,850 ft and it must have three bedrooms. You can't say that in zoning. So, they passed a law that allow that certain a minimum number of homes per
acre. It has to have at least four units per acre. Yeah. Um but they did talk about in there that you could you could do condominiums in a mixeduse development. Yeah. I was going to ask you about that. I got kind of confused when they started
talking about mixed use. It sounded good though. I thought it was interesting and I thought that maybe um I I haven't had a chance to talk to the T town planner about this. Yeah. But as we go forward on mixed the mixed use study, this might be
interesting to look at. Um, and what you you set aside certain parts of the town that would only up to 15% of your land mass only.
And what about the 1850 square feet? I mean, it's a great way to keep areas from having too many enormous huge mansions, but what happens if someone buys into it and then decides to renovate? Are there any restrictions
like that? They might they can't add to Oh, that's interesting. I don't know if that would be I don't know. It's something you might have to go to the you might have to have a provision if you want to do that. You have to go to the zoning board of appeals. We'd have to probably do that anyway. But uh but that would be
interesting to know. Yeah. But if you're on a quarter of an acre, how much can you expand? Well, that's true. That's true. And you have to have certain space in between your your brothers. Yeah. Yeah. Is it 10 feet or something? You're
supposed to be 10. You're dwelling 10 feet from your brother. I can't remember. I Yeah. Some places it's 20 because of fire code. Okay. Yeah. Um, so I thought I So someday that could be an article on a
at a town meeting, in other words, to establish it. I see. I don't think we're ready for that in Yarmmouth because we haven't done sewering. I think the only way to plan for that is to do the sewering and then
um Yarmouth is going to have a an discussion about flow, right? like how much nitrogen is going to come off into our wastewater treatment system from Route 28, from this area, from that area.
I mean, how much can the will the will it be more than it's than the wastewater treatment system can handle? Well, we have we went for that 0% financing. Yeah. Right. So, this town is flow neutral. So as people
neutral is defined as you take a point in time when you apply for the money you say you're not going to use this wastewater money to increase flow your nitrogen loading right okay
right so it's called flow neutral but it's really like a cap on your nitrogen load okay thank you so if you have this you know unbelievably you know state-of-the-art wastewater treatment facility Right. You and you
use that money to Yeah. You can you can be flow neutral and grow, right? But most most plans are um not designed that way. They're basically they look at the zoning and they kind of almost like they freeze the
zoning. Um so there's there's discussions that have to happen. How does how does Yarmouth maintain its flow neutral status? Right. Interesting. Yeah. So, we'll probably have to get that under control before we started talking
about four homes per acre. And so, this is something that right now you're supposed to say if you think they should change their regulations on the your Yeah, I really couldn't find anything and I I don't know if I want to kick the beehive by saying, "Hey, this will never
happen in Yarmouth because of flow neutral." So I just and it's certainly not something you you said that you could apply for it without having town meeting approval, right? So because the planning board is putting
a it's a lot of work to put in some changes for zoning. We're working on two right now. This would this if if if this committee thought this was a great idea, they would write a memo to the town to the chair of the planning board and the and the planner and say, "Oh, can you
put that in the queue?" We did that when we changed the calculation for the buyout for on-site affordable housing. So, and that took 12 months and that was just one paragraph. So, this would be a
huge thing. But I didn't I didn't see anything in there that was a like a glaring barrier to this. But I also don't see anything in here that's motivating me to send this up to the town planner and say let's do this,
you know, because of the wastewater situation. So, well, frankly, I thought I found it hard to get through. Well, yeah, you did. So, I um Yeah. Yeah. Like eventually I did skip a lot of the definitions. I
was like, "Okay." And got right to them, but we'll see if people start using it. I don't I don't know. All right. I guess that completes our discussion of that item. You used an excellent analogy about kicking the bees nest. That was an
excellent book, by the way. The woman who cook kick the hornets nest. If you haven't read it, yeah, break. I did read it. It's a trilogy, but it's a middle one. Shall we move on to reports and actions, ladies and gentlemen? The chair
does not have a report. I don't unless you can uh I'm trying to think we in for the chair's report. We didn't do anything rogue in between now and our last meeting. So home consortium. So there was no U meeting um last month.
There's one this Thursday, but I did have a couple other things I wanted to to mention. Um I don't know if anybody saw this. This was in the um business section of the the Boston Globe on June 29th.
As federal cuts loom, rental housing vouchers across Mass are being put on hold, right? Um I won't read the whole thing, but it doesn't sound like it's good news. Um that housing authorities are putting an end to their weight lists and they don't
have the money to uh pay rent increases. So, I thought that was pretty interesting. Um, if anybody wants to take a look at it, I have it. Um, um, June, I think I already took that to the dump. I might have clipped it. I also came across something that happened at Yarmouth Commons. Um, there
was an arrest for drugs and guns over there. I haven't. Yes. Um, and I was in a meeting with the neighborhood crime people and they said that's kind of common. I don't over there. I I Yeah,
I'm not I'm I'm just I didn't know that. I was just curious. Uh what h does people get? So, they don't they don't report that to me. Okay. Right. They don't report that to me. Um
yeah, I I did have news that somebody passed away. Somebody, but I don't know if it's if if it would involved a police action. Yeah. when I was in a a meeting with some police and it came up and there was eye rolls and I I I didn't know that that was happen that kind of stuff. I
mean I I get it that's life that happens but it was a little alarming to me. Um yeah so typic so typically what happens is that there's a lot of there's a higher than normal number of calls to the fire department and the police
department. Um they they'll come in to town hall and hopefully they find me. they're always welcome to come and find me and talk about it and also um you know their boss is my boss Bob Writtenower right um so we have had
sitdown um meetings with property management companies to say hey what's going on and what are you doing and are you following the rules um that's my concern yeah so um one that we did have a
development in town that was not meeting with us. So, the police department started to uh park the emergency response van. Oh, smart. And charging them by the hour to have a
remote police office at the site. And boy, did they take action. So, um that's what they thought that these these larger developments have a they have a a property management. They have a property
keeping you informed. Well, they don't. So, so but they're they're responsible to follow their own rules, right? And not have an extraordinarily high rate of first responder calls. Right. Right.
So, one thing they need to do is always make sure that the fire and the police department have the correct FOBs to get into the building and the correct uh phone contact phone numbers. Um, so sometimes sometimes staff, you know,
changes um at these property management companies and they need to update and make sure everybody has this the correct cell phone numbers. There is high turnover in property management off. I mean, it's it's incredible, right? The turnover of right
tenant relations is a very difficult uh right thing and it burns people out quickly and and you know, tenants during the day. Most tenants are awesome, but during the day and then after hours and weekends, sometimes it things take a little bit of a turn. So, right.
Um, so, um, you know, because a lot of this stuff is personal and private information, you know what I mean? They don't come in and tell me that stuff, right? Um, but if there's a high number
of uh calls, then they should come in and talk to me and we we sit down and we have a meeting with the property management company. And in the past, if the property management company is not responsive, then we get the owner of the property involved, their boss, right?
And then I get my boss involved and then, you know, um, but if they do, if they do see a high call rate. They should be getting in touch with me. If the property management company is not responsive to them, they should be
getting in touch with me. So, there's a lot of urban myth about multif family housing, too. I grew up in it. I managed it. I'm very well aware of that. I the thing that that got my attention was, you know, look, crime is
everywhere, okay? But when I saw there was little kids in the apartment, that really alarmed me. I'm not pointing any fingers at anybody. It can h but it was just like, oh no, that's terrible. So, um it is terrible. That's terrible. But yeah, they don't um for better or worse, they don't tell me
about these things. Well, you're not an enforcement. I'm not an enforcement. and uh you know but I do have re I do have resources to to deal with it. Well, who is the property management company? I don't know if it's Windgate. I don't Oh, Windgate. Okay.
I'm not I'm not certain. The the people it has changed recently. Um are they on site? And that's why we Right. That's why we always like them to have they do have an office, right? We always require them to
have an office and but we can't require them to be there 24/7. No one can. Yeah. Uh yeah. So we did ask when we when we provided funding for Yarmouth Commons, we did ask the developer who was Dakota
Partners to do that and they said they couldn't commit to that at the time. It's 24 hours. That's that's pretty rough. Yeah. And the reason being it was their only property down here. So, um, they had the same management
company that managed the 120 units on Independence Drive. And so, that office is opened every day and they would come over here periodically. So, if the tenants or somebody needed that an application or something like that and needed to go
into an office, they could go over to Hyannes and go to that office. that office has multiple people. Um, but thank you. You're welcome. Okay. You go to another crime meeting and there's something say
it came up and I Don't roll your eyes. Go talk to Mary on the radio. I read it someplace and then it came up in in a crime uh with the police department and and and I was like, "Oh, okay." Um, so um there's so much that they cannot say, right? The police department cannot say.
There's so much they can't they just Well, I kind of read between a little bit, right? The Yarmouth Housing Authority. I'm a board member of the Yarmouth Housing Authority. And uh speaking of um
property management and vouchers, I'll put in a good word for the executive director of our housing authority. She's doing her best to cope with this uh difficult situation. I know her. She's She's awesome. She is. And uh not only cope with the
situation of less money, but uh and uh clients and landlords having a hard time making this work, you know, but also just the dayto-day uh dealing with problem problems. It's such
a it's a very difficult job and she's she's on the case. So uh our our our housing authority is keeping its head above water at the moment in terms of it the services it's able to provide but there is a crisis
situation happening with uh you know so um locally you you can apply to the community preservation committee um for rental assistance. Right. Good.
So what we do in Yarmouth is we use that money to help people out of rental arars and if they need to find a new place at no fault of their own like something is sold or for some reason the lease isn't
renewed we help with first and last for a new place. Um but um HCH housing uh Howitch Ecumenical Council for Housing, they run one of those programs for us. Hands of Hope, right,
has some money and HCH has some money, right? And they told me last week that we're the only town that does it that way. Interesting. Yeah. She says that all the other towns they work with give a small monthly
subsidy and they provide case management services during that time period. So it's it's something to think about. Yeah. Very interesting. So if the housing authority is seeing that
um you know these cuts are impacting their operation of those 40 units, they can apply on behalf of their tenants for rental assistance from the town. Um now that's only 40 units but um that is
an eligible use. Very good. Keep that in mind. I will um in the whole RFP that's completely on the whole there wasn't a response to the RFP for the developing of the land. Correct.
Nope. But that doesn't mean that it's that we can't reissue an RFP. That was my question. And um we're going to be next month we'll be uh talking about that at our regularly scheduled meeting and we'll probably be
be talking about it with our liaison with the uh Mass Housing Partnership who's giving us expert assistance. Her name is Laura. Yeah. And uh we'll decide how we're going to
what we need to do. Right. So, you think in August there'll be a meeting about that? There will. Yes. It's on the agenda for our August uh meeting, which is the second Tuesday of the month at 5:15 p.m.
at the Long Pond Housing Development on Long Pond Road. And Oh, right. Right. You know where it is? Long Pond. The corner of Long Pond and Winslow Gay. That's where the 40 unit uh
housing authority development is. Okay. Any word from the governor's office? Um I was going to talk about that with the chair, but he's not here. But um I did uh speak on the phone to the uh
assistant I forget what his title is, but he's in the governor's office and he's in charge of appointing people to the housing authority. we've we don't have a uh governor's appointee to the housing authority board and we're trying to make
that happen and we're in touch with with them and uh he got uh applications in. We have application in for that position and uh I guess maybe it's about time for me to call him up again and see where they're
at with that. I was waiting till after the 4th of July, but that should that that should be in in process. Yeah. Well, it'd be nice to have that appointment made before your August meeting.
Yeah. I don't know if it can be or not, but I was assured. Do we have to go up to the state house? Yeah, maybe. But who would want to be traveling off Cape? The application's being shared among all the relevant people in the office, they
say. And then they will do their background check. You know, they have a background check. Yeah. No, I was surprised that they So, I don't have any we don't have a paid position. No. No. A background check for someone to be a volunteer on a committee.
Housing is different. Housing is is different. Yeah. Like in my case, I was elected to the position, but this is this is an identical position, but it's appointed by the governor, and there's regulation
specified in the law as to exactly what hoops they have to jump through. So, I don't have a feel for, but I'll call him again. Yeah, call him again. He was a nice guy. He helped us. He is a nice guy. I'll call him again.
Okay, now we're on to the next thing. Affordable housing trust. So, the affordable housing trust meets uh tomorrow at 3:00. And um did I tell you they did award the
money for a developer to purchase 645 Route 28 in West Yarmouth? Maybe not. I'm not sure. The old um Chinese restaurant. Yes, it's the old saw the sign sold. It said sold on it, right? Okay. I think the reason why nobody's really
noticed how bad the building is is like the cover the bushes are now trees. And I notice it because I I've known about that Chinese restaurant for like 50 years and I've seen everything that's happened to it and I notice it every time I go by.
So it was purchased by Bay Ridge. The owner of Bay Ridge is Dennis Ccado. He's doing um uh quite a bit of work uh redeveloping places in mostly Barnstable
and Yarmouth at least on Cape Cod. Um so he's getting quite a portfolio of rentals and he's I met him because he needed some lottery services for some of these little developments, right? You have to provide one or two affordable
units. So that's how I met him. So he had an idea. The property is on the corner of Applebee Road and 28. Um, and he had an idea to do a chapter 40B for I want to say 18 units, but one of
the drawings had a threestory building right on the corner. I said, "Oops." I called them up and I said, "Would you think about using our local zoning?" and you know and I was like well the trust now has money right now for assistance
with acquisition. So he applied for the money and has been working with the building commissioner and the town planner to have the development comply with our architectural and site design standards and it's looking much better.
It's looking much much better. Um and um the trust awarded the money and they they brought they bought the property the last day the very last day in June, the very last day of the purchase and sales agreement. So um so how many units are they going to develop?
It's going to be two commercial and 11 um apartments. And out of the 11 apartments, four will be affordable and one of the affordable is a 100% accessible unit on the first
floor. Nice. So you guys will see that because you'll have to sign the application that goes up to the state to ask for these to go on the um subsidized housing inventory. They have a idea about what kind of
commercial business? No, if you have any idea. So, it's going to have to be something that doesn't need a lot of parking. Right. So, it won't be like a a restaurant whether you know I don't know
a a bakery cafe with coffee is has a different number of parking spots required but it's the parking is not big enough for a restaurant. So, um but we gave him some ideas. It's really close to the new park, right?
Um on Route 28. So, we gave him some ideas like, you know, you should you should start reaching out to people who rent paddle boards and kayaks and Yeah. Huh. kind of stuff. Pretty good thought. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe it's a good thought anyway. So, but he didn't seem too worried that he couldn't um rent the commercial space. Yeah. So, um, so, right. So, two commercial units in the front. There's one two-bedroom right above the
commercial units in the front, which is perfect because if there's kids, right? Um, we're looking for kids here on Cape Cod. We're looking for kids. and the rest are the the other 10 units are onebedroom. And we're going to ask for um the
onebedrooms to be the affordable units because we really we need that. So, and he can make more money off the two-bedroom. So, yeah, it's going to it's going to look m it's going to look fantastic. You said he can make more money off the
two-bedroom. So, he Yeah. Yeah. But but if we did it affordable, if we put it affordable, right, there definitely have to be children in there. If he keeps it market rate, if we keep it market rate, he could have somebody that just wants
two bedrooms. Why only one unit with two bedrooms? Is that what you have? Yeah, that's just how he that's how he two bedrooms. He probably can he probably feels he can rent the one bedrooms easier. I don't
know. That makes sense. You know, that makes sense. He's he it's very he I think he has a good feel for the market because he's got all these units. Do you have any um examples of his properties at the moment that he already has? Would there be any that we're
familiar with? Well, there's I think it's might be 750 North Street in Hyannas. Uhhuh. I'd have to I'd have to I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Take it up. It It's It's a very square
It's a very square building. It had been vacant for a while. He grabbed it. He redid it. It looks very different than what he's proposing on Route 28. Like it doesn't have a peak roof. It doesn't have It's not Cape Cod architecture. It's very I know the building. Kind of know the building. Yeah.
Yep. and he he redid it and there's 11 units in there area in downtown and the department of mental health has an office in the building and they're going to rent it out to their clients and that's how I met them because one of
the units was going to have to be uh an affordable and I was like okay how do I deal with that? Oh, we we got it so that it it because I said, "Well, can we have a priority for another
group of clients from DM DMH?" Right. And uh finally the state was like, "Yeah, Mary, that that sounds right. That's what we should do." So, cuz otherwise I was going to have to do a lottery for a two-bedroom and I was going to have to put children in there
and it I just didn't think that would kind of work out. So, um so Well, that sounds great. Yeah. So, I think Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to be okay. So, you will eventually meet Dennis and we're
going to do a video. Myra, she's not here today, but her idea was to document the redevelopment of the site. Um, and she's Yeah. So, our communications manager, Lorie Sullivan,
um, I got them in touch. Good idea. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. So we want to we want to go and take pictures of the existing conditions, you know, so that we can compare the old restaurant hiding behind the foliage and the underbrush,
that profile of that building, you know, it goes like it's it's Yeah. And right on the other side of that is uh eight units of housing. Um that's on Applebe, the other corner
of Applebee and Route 28. So, it'd be nice. It'll be on both sides. There'll be some units. So, that's the big news for the trust. Um, they are really jazzed about this
development. And so, um, over the years, they were awarded $2.6 million for a program called the buy down program, right? And there's $1.1 million of that left. They spent $1.5 million. There's
1.1 million left. So, they're going to bring it back to the housing committee, I mean the community preservation committee in an application form and ask to reprogram that to doing something else, doing a couple of
other projects like this on Route 28. Very good. Yeah. I because I think I think they're going to get more units, higher quality units. Um the the price of of uh homes right now is historically high. The
inventory is historically low. We even put it put that buy down money out um for people who wanted to do a duplex or triplex or you know something multif family got no bites. There's just no inventory out there. So um with the
redevel with the wastewater going in on Route 28 um there's like people interested in um uh redevelopment. So, and it would have to be mixed use.
That's what I that's what I'm proposing to the trust, mandatory mixed use, raise and replace. So, um they they are going to put out another $500,000 RFP and then go to the CPC to reprogram that 1.1 million. So,
you see, they could do four in total. They would be in line to do four addresses in total. Um, and they need to decide whether they're going to just put it out there or say, "Here's the list of sites we
want you to work on." How about the old trading post? Is that this way? That's towards uh the river. Bass River. Yeah. You know that it's a crummy uh falling down building. Yeah. I think didn't did that get did that have a fire?
I think that's the building, right? There was a leather shop there. I think so. Because I think he moved down the street. Yes. Now now he's in the mall where the hearth and kettle is in the Oh, okay. It's called the Trading Post. So, there's a derelict building that used to
be this business that moved out. I don't think there's been a fire there that I know of, but it was. Maybe there was. Five years ago, maybe. Yeah. Now it's been like you can't even tell it was a fire. It's like just like the restaurant. It's just as
much of a derelict building. Yeah. There's a residential area right behind it, you know, just like Applebe Road is a residential area. Yeah. Yes. So be an okay transition, I think. Anyways, that's what the trust is
up to. Okay. Planning board. planning board's really pushing to get the local comprehensive plan finished. Uh it's been reviewed by just just this week by the uh Cape Cod Commission and
we're frantically trying to get the revisions made. We'll be meeting the day after tomorrow and go through I think a final and we did get a final report on the whole all the mixeduse projects that
was due the 30th of June and it's done and it's very interesting reports. Yeah. and uh a lot of reviews of the uh one of the things that they did that was really interesting was the recommended
revisions to the special um village center zoning districts. And those are the basic things that that we've been working on and looking at and this week to go over the details. I
don't know if you had any questions about any of those. Are they are they overlay districts or is it amplifying what we already have? It's this report was just um to review what we already have. Okay.
And to make recommendations that like for example, why have four overlay districts? Why not reduce it and combine them into one because they're also similar. But the the zoning changes that we're actually working on to get approved by
the select board to bring it up to town meeting have to do with the uh home sales of seafood and the sto storage of boats. And they're just fairly simple changes that we're recommending. We
think we haven't actually reached a point of voting on it or getting them approved by the select board to have the ability to sell seafood all other health permits and all those things being in place. Uh similar to
agricultural from your home that there would be that would be allowed uh on very limited basis in residential neighborhoods. And the the boat storage would allow you to to have one boat in a driveway in front of your house. I think
it's just in season. Anyway, we're going to be discussing that all this week and uh though and it's kind of a lot to get them through the process of getting the suggestions. Now, we'll have to take it to the select board and hopefully get it
on the town agenda in um uh November. And I think that's Is that Yeah. So, so right. So, you you have a draft of the LCP. It was reviewed by the Cape Cod Commission. Yeah. So, you're meeting this week to go over the comments
and then it will be open. Yes. To public comment. That's right. there will be public comment and select board approval and then I I I forget the exact process but so that's that will be an opportunity
for this committee to look at it and make comments on it and like one of the things in the um comprehensive plan is a lot of description of projects that have been that are in process. So, I guess I should tell them to add this new one
that you just told us about to the projects that are upcoming and in process and stuff. Is that okay? Yeah. So, that's the 645, right? Okay. Yeah, that's a good one.
And then um I'll put in a note that the trust is most likely going to be issuing RFPs to uh to hopefully guide similar or similarly
guide projects. Um and there is a little bit of money that was set aside. So that that report that mixed juice report was done with a community planning grant from the state. Yeah. You mentioned that before, right?
And um so the affordable housing trust put put aside money for a local match. And so the money from the state expired June 30th of this year, but the money from the trust doesn't
expire. So, um, if there's more work, and I keep reminding the town planner of that, if there's more work like so, they did illustrative examples. Yeah. Right. Of theoretical lots on Route 28,
but we have money to actually do pick a lot and actually do work on it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So, um don't forget that every I mean everybody's busy, but um we do have money to take the next step. Um
but you can't you have to be careful because you can't design too much stuff or else you trigger uh prevailing wages. I don't know if you ever worked on that but yeah but yeah you guys are busy.
Yeah they that is super busy. Preservation committee want to make any comments? What's next on the agenda? It's a looked up a note. It's a low it's the low time. We met the
week before and um we talked about our schedule going forward for the next round of RFPs and I forget the deadline. I think September early September. September 5th. 5th. Yep. And um then we start, you know, once folks come in and they get reviewed then
we start um meeting regularly and review them and people come in and blah blah blah blah. That's a real professional report, right? Are you doing a public blah? Are you doing a public uh an annual
meeting this year? That wasn't discussed. I can remember. Yeah, that wasn't discussed. Um it was not that chair of the committee, Judith. Yeah. And uh we have I think at lodge opening.
Is that correct? I think we have one at lodge opening. Um there was some communication uh they heard from the state and uh Don resp responded um it's regarding our annual fee that we
pay to the community preservation committee state funding. Um and she I thought I had that on me. Um and she gave them I guess I only printed out one page. Um
oh it's double-sided. It came from the communications director of the comm community preservation coalition that we have an annual fee due. I didn't know that we paid a fee. Um and she gave them a little update about the changes we've had and we have a new chair as Gary Gary
Ellis died. Um and I think uh um retirements vice chair Christine Migsley Pano re stepped down and um Karen Green is part-time has moved on
and is part time and we have an additional ATL large member. We're working to find an additional ATL large member. Oh that's right because Gary was at large. Yes. Um,
and we went to executive committee, which of course I'm not going to talk about, but there is to say that though. So, there is a state statute. It is part of the state statute that you have to hold a public hearing once a year. Oh, it is.
I didn't know that. And and Yarmouth has done that every year. They have done it every year. Not every town has done that. Statute. I I can find it for you and send it to you. You just don't want to miss it.
Yeah. So, in MASH, it took me like seven years to have them hold a public hearing. I like I'm like here's not being mentioned. Maybe it was and it escaped me, but I don't remember that being mentioned. It's something. But I remember last year we did hold a
meeting when we were opening up. Yeah. But the application has a deadline. I think this Don Marie flat would be on top of that. Yeah, well, you can have it can be simply at your one of your meetings, right? It can be as long as you you
I I think you have to advertise it in the newspaper and there's a little a little bit more than just a regular meeting. It's a public hearing, right? Um well, as a new CPC used to have them at sites that they had funded. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And remember they had food and
they had guest speakers. Yeah. I don't remember that but I remember I think below bel last year we had did have a public hearing. You had a public hearing. Yeah. And I think you had it here. Yes. I think you had it here. But yeah, we they used to have food and stuff and u
because I remember cuz I used to help. And those were the days. I used to go I used to pick up the food and the beverages and help set up the room. It's fun back in. But that's a good question for do for me because I don't remember that being mentioned at all. It was a long time ago. Right. And I think
you held yours last year. It it might usually you hold it during your application period so that people applications are due September 5th. So, but you don't have to, but usually you do just so that applicants can come and
ask questions. Yeah. And that's how I remember it went last year. Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. Well, we're on the last item now. Yep. I have I have no update for community development.
Well, Palm, do you want to make any comments from the Zoom land? No comments. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. You're more than welcome. So, are we good meeting in August?
August 11th, I think. 3 p.m. to agree to meet on August 11th at 3 p.m. And then September 8th you have here too as a yeah preview of that fact. And you put in October here.
October. I don't know whether you want to do the 6th or the 20th because October 13th is a holiday. Oh, I don't know. Do we have to decide that today? Nope. No, we don't. And why would we? You have a two o'clock on October 6th. What?
Oh, it should be three. Sorry. You've got two o'clock on your in your head for some reason. No, that was a typo. Yeah, that's that's um if if we Oh, you know why? It is 2 p.m. It would be 2 p.m.
Because the board of health starts at 5. So, there's a reason why that was rolling around in your mind. Yeah, I get it. Okay. Good logic, bad memory. Yeah. I make a motion that we adjourn.
Second the motion. Mom, on the motion to adjurnn. I I pal. I I journed.