you have to wait till you see us up on the recording in progress okay uh recognizing a quorum the chair opens the February 10th 2024 meeting of the community housing committee this meeting is being held in a hybrid model both in person and the hearing room of the Yarmouth Town Hall 11:46 route 28 and remotely via the virtual computer platform Zoom committee
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notice to the public the public is welcome to attend in person or remotely this meeting is being recorded well done Mr chairman I second that um okay and I think you have to take a roll call vote for to open to open the meeting yep um
Lee here uh Drew here um here Greg here John here okay uh first uh committee business minutes yep there's none available right now okay um old business um mck housing update um yep so so um just a quick update um staff met with uh the
Consultants from Barrett uh planning we went over our notes um from our Muk one the brainstorming session and while we were and this was via zoom and while we were talking about it um the consultant was typing up remember they were talking about doing a spreadsheet and they were separating the ideas
from our minimum criteria and our selection criteria right so the things that we we absolutely had to have and the things that we kind of like to have so so your idea would be like a multif family building right and your minimum criteria would be you know that has to be rental but you're nice to like is you know 25% affordable so she was kind of sorting all these things out and she she
had a vision of three big Ideas MH so she's still working on them I was hoping to get something um by email in time for this meeting but no um they're also researching that whole thing about um Mass works right and so in the packet um and people that are zooming in you should have gotten this in the email I found some Cape Cod based Mass
Works um there's one in Brewster woods and Brewster yeah that that plan that might have been reduced that was that was linked in the internet that third visual was linked to them but um the next one is on Bluffs it's called Southern Tier it's been in the newspaper a little bit because nearby there's
um a a piece of property that the developer wants to put a 100 units of affordable housing nearby so it was just in the math has been you T four acres I think y um and it's all housing this is different uh this sou tear is like a town sponsored plan and you can see it's has a nicer layout it's got more green it's um it's got some nice
architecture um and then there's mset Commons in Edgar Town looks like the engineer is the I mean the architect is the same for both of those and again a nicer a nice site design so it's just it's just something for you to think about that you know Mass Works will think will fund these kind of things the last one is Mash B Commons that was in 2014 there's not a lot um about it on
massw workk site um and I had to go to Google because I know where I live in mashy so I know where the top of the shop housing is so on that on that picture the bottom floor is commercial it's like Cafe uh coffee shops uh places to get your hair done um that kind of stuff and the top two levels are housing
25% um is Affordable it's all rental um and that that was modular those were those pieces of those buildings came in prefabbed and they put them together like a Tetris puzzle by crane um but there is a there is a map of mashby Commons it's the can I interrupt for a second mm why why would they do modular wouldn't that be more expensive they priced it out and it was less expensive
yeah okay yep um but that site is 180 acres in total um so it's it's got a lot more to kind of play with um but that was something massworks paid for uh some of the infrastructure and um the street and the Curbing and it was kind of weird because it was built so long ago the curbing is there but there's
no the development hasn't caught up to that infrastructure so which way is the development the the next phase of mashby Commons going it's going to go AC AC towards the church okay towards um de Crossing mhm yeah towards Falmouth so it's Joe whing and job's fishing right um on one side is the library and
the and the built Commons as you know today and on the other side there's there's forested land and that's where it's going to go and it goes all behind home uh you know there's a an affordable housing building there and then there's the Christ the King Church if the land all behind that is will be developed too so the um Southern Tier I I looked this I looked up the the
um the web address that was on here and it Southern Tier is like 7.8 acres and so it comes out to about 7.7 units per acre in that development and then um the the one in Edgartown was was a lower density of about 4.7 units per
acre yeah so so it just gives you kind of an idea that mass Works will fund something in that density range now whether you have to wait a while and keep applying again and again you know
until they like okay we'll finally fund you um or um the other thing is with mashby Commons you can put that I mean at that point they were granting money for infrastructure that wouldn't be built wouldn't you know the affordable units weren't getting built until much later so whether they've changed that or not um do it does show you that they have some flexibility when I went off cape
and looked at massworks things it was definitely more density um there was a lot of revitalization areas so maybe the you get points if you're developing a previously Disturbed site but it looks like you definitely get points if you're in a site that has blight you know what I mean good so um so that that would be a competitive issue for us but um you know we're
redeveloping uh a site but it's not light you know what I mean it's not like when I went to look at things that were 40R I I I didn't want to print out those pictures I didn't I didn't think that um you would like those pictures they were like even more dense than the mass Works ones um Real Urban you know PE but on the other hand you know um 4dr it's been challenging for
towns to tap into 4r down here um that might be part of it too why why is that it we always just felt it was too difficult the amount of money that we could get it was just too difficult um but we now have staff people that have been successful in doing 4dr and other communities are off Cape communities and so they're saying yes we can do it um we
just have to be careful with you know what kind of density we want um so a quick question Mary this picture here is that's part of the edger project yeah I think it's [Music] after uh this one here oh yeah um I mean I assumed because of the way it's set up but it just it didn't seem to fit with the um that was from their website I know that was from their website yeah I like that I I didn't I didn't spend a lot of time like I didn't call these
places up and and yeah I it doesn't look like an apartment building you know what I mean it looks like a it looks like a house uh right so I mean when you go to the Brewster Woods website this bottom picture is is done professionally you know what I mean right um a lot of the um a lot of the angles it it it looks a little flat when you get to the architecture that's on M on
the island it's Superior and you're seeing more and more Architects Dibble and Dabble into in multifam buildings that look like single family and I like that look you know so I think we could we have a choice um even even Yarmouth Gardens if you if you stop across the Street and look at it um I remember many many conversations and
Kathy was in the room and how they really wanted to make it look like two two single family homes no I think I think outh Gardens is is done quite well yeah and and and if if you're going by and not staring at yeah it does look like two homes you know what I mean but that was that's what the architect was aiming for of course it's multif family housing but you see how there's like one door on the front yeah on each so I like like I said I like that look
yeah so that kind of that kind of gives you a sense um of of things that you can do for Mass works so Mass works is is definitely something that we should look at the um I did get an email Friday from the consultant from Barrett Planning Group and they are com they are looking at the mass works website in more detail um to chart it
out so when when when you get the email from them are you going to distribute it to the committee or I I I could as long as you guys don't respond back no deliberation and it and it might it might not come to anything significant until the 24th okay I mean the TR trust meets on the 18th in the 24th is that a joint meeting again yeah that's a big
meeting okay um the the trust meets on the 18th if if if you feel that there's something significant from the consultant that you want to convene this committee we can do that I was hoping to have a little bit more for you today um you know MH I was hoping to have those big three ideas that they were working
on I mean obviously one of them is like what you're seeing in front of you I mean I'm glad they're not rushing I okay do it right you know what I mean this is a once in a generation situation don't need to rush it let's get it right you know what I mean not fast and that second reconciliation meeting can we have plenty of time you know what I'm saying like if we need more time than just one meeting on that we can bump that to the next meeting or
schedule another one I think one one thing that um Kathy suggested which I didn't get to was to kind of take some of these developments including Yarmouth Commons and Yarmouth Gardens print them out to the scale of the map that they gave us and have it so that you could kind of place it on it and move it around that
would be pretty helpful to see what that would absolutely all right um this I I do know that the school is getting serious about participating in the capital Improvement uh planning for the site so you might see something from them um about getting money to do a study of the site to you know for a new
school for new Elementary putting a new Elementary on that [Music] site yeah and um it's going to be very interesting where they choose um they wouldn't stay in the same location Well it can't well they don't like to do that because then they have to where are they going to put the kids in the interim right no there's room
enough to on the back of the site to I think build a new school on the back of the site and leave the existing School in place it looked like it anyway MH yeah that it yeah that's all I have I don't know if you guys wanted to kind of open it up for discussion about how you
thought the meeting went and if you if you had any one idea that you liked after hearing everybody else's is there is there I was wondering if there was any feedback or any um uh do you have any reactions from the other committees that are looking at the site as well like Recreation and recreation's meeting tomorrow or Wednesday rather at at six o'clock at DPW so they haven't had their first one
yet okay okay so where kind of ahead of the curb look at that okay uh I I thought look there there weren't any bad ideas um except for that the idiot who wanted the uh the petting zoo that was you um I I I I like John's idea not just because he's sitting right here but just like a little Community within the community you know what I mean um a little bit of everything in there I
thought that was a fantastic idea um I think everybody was pretty comfortable except for one resident about having housing on the site so I thought that that right there was kind of like a big deal one resident I mean we are the Muk housing people but still um one person there was one person gentleman in the in the audience oh that's right that's right that's right I thought you meant
like CommunityWide that there was no we had um Boyhood um remembrances of the school and yeah I also think and there is there any update on when we're going to see the condition of the building the the the um no the report on that we have Sharon wymer here from mck um the draft is coming up so um we had a Peak at the draft so that information will be coming forward our
next schedule meeting is not until March 12th I'm not sure whether we'll be fitting another one in um bill is quite busy with libraries and warrants and the whole thing but um uh we also will be hiring our consultant down the road here so we're trying to kind of match our me meetings with the different functions that we have but I can tell you that
there were two bids uh received for the consultant oh great so we do have a couple people to choose from great and as I said the U the beginning part is it's going to be an interesting process and uh you guys are our stars because you've done this the microphone please Sor yeah do I do something special with that
talk to it screen yeah I I think this started with the question of I'm sorry um so we wanted to know if there was any word on what other committies are doing I'm sorry the the the the the building study yeah um and so the the the we had a Peak at a draft um of the building uh condition report that's being handed in and our next meeting I assume will be
finalized um they are checking with various uh people within the DPW and uh about all the aspects of the report um the second thing is our next schedule meeting isn't until March 12th I believe it is and we hope maybe we'll have a meeting beforehand but it would involve the consultant we did receive two bids so there are two consultant bids uh to be our
consultant and um what else can I tell you have to interview them and you know and ask questions right so we are kind of moving gently behind you uh doing various things and it's it's always meant to be concurrently to do many things as you've indicated the schools are trying to do their thing and we're trying to move through this um and and my opinion is I I hope to get many good ideas and
you've started out great as a committee I think um so you should be applauded for everything you've done and Mary in particular um for getting a grant and having the kind of meeting that you had to begin with so right thank you I'm not sure that answers all your questions because um I just had one quick question on the on the condition study um are they looking at the gymnasium and the auditorium
piece separate from the school or is it are we it's part of the the the process they're looking at each piece of the of right right yeah okay Y in terms of how it can be developed and um kind of the expense of it all so the other thing I kind of took away was that you know if you can ask for any type of housing you want right whether it's Soldier on or
Towers to tunnels or you know LTE affordable units and it's better to push whatever you want now that type of housing you want now that way everybody that's going to use the site and live on the site knows what's coming down the pike um so some of the housing that we've talked about is are for people that really need some Services right
they need some services but I think that if we start with them as the base for the housing then you know what I mean like than everybody else coming in they already know what's there because people don't have to move if they don't want to you know what I mean so um the other thing I I think I'm might be important is phases is phasing stuff um we don't have
to do everything all at once um so um and I'm finding that you know our affordable housing projects that we approve and fund they end up on a different timeline than we first anticipated so it moves along most things do right yeah yeah so that's all I have okay
um affordable housing standards yep so these were approved way back as Board of selectman policy select board policy so I'm going to submit a memo if there's no other um comments on them I have a couple questions mhm um terms of affordability the last um sentence a project proponent May petition the town to convert an affordable rental
project to an affordable ownership project 15 years after recording of the original affordable rental housing restriction does that mean the tenant lives in that apart that that apartment for 15 years and then is eligible to to buy it the the developer or the owner of the building uh can after 15 years petition to like cond minimize I say okay I got you so um still 25% have to
be affordable and if somebody's going to get relocated right there has to be a relocation plan so I live in that apartment the owner says I'm going to turn this into a condo he can't just evict me and say you got you're out I'm not reneo your lease he's got to probably the first thing that would happen is that we would give housing counseling to that tenant and see if they could take over a mortgage that sense right um second question I had was um oute affordability of rents and
condominium fees what's an oute yeah I was wondering S I don't know how else to say it I've never heard that expression yeah we use it here um but it it it just means in the future okay I thought it was like okay we're taking a year off from Ren in this apartment I think I should change that word
I'll I'll yeah see in the sentence in out years comma that usually in Out burger right in an Out Burger okay years the um the the one thing when I was looking at the uh accessible units um section oh okay um instead of instead of maybe we we kind
of go back and forth on this because it's sort of like is there a tenant that needs a fully accessible living unit on the list of of potential renters and so I was thinking instead of maybe making accessible units I think in the fair housing guidelines and Kathy you may know about this as well what they do is they they they build the unit so it's easily accessible
it's easily modified to be accessible sometimes it's called visitable yeah yeah and so that means that they put blocking in the walls in the bathroom that you could then put grab bars in if you needed them um that sort of thing so I don't know if we want to rephrase that at all or if we want to um if we want to stick with with creating accessible units um I would keep it the way it is and then when you have blands in
front of you right then they might say oh that's too much of an expense and then you can negoti because this is just policy this is not a bylaw right so then you can say well okay how about Universal or visitable you know what I mean something that can be adapted easily in the future um isn't there a number of Apartments if you're building that you
have to build an accessible unit well what we've seen so far in our program has not triggered that okay so if you're building something that's 100 units you don't have to I was going to say the number that triggers it I don't know what it is but um so like uh Yarmouth Commons has a thre story building and so for the money that they were going for with the state it triggered an elevator right I mean I I would like to see more accessible housing I would like
to see any anything that's being built to have it if you don't need it you can always rent it to someone who doesn't need an accessible unit but you know it's there for future use if you do need it um we did it a lot we we would rent out I know I've had this conversation with you we'd have one on each floor of like an 11 story building it was usually someone who didn't need it who went in there and of course after you filled the building someone came in and said hey I need an accessible unit uh um but it's just it's
it's nice to know they're there um so I think that for two the two addresses that we looked at that were you know private developments and weren't taking any subsidy I think if they had known we were looking for on one of them the one with the eight units in a row I think if they knew that we were looking for an accessible unit like that was really important to us I think one of the end units would have become at least first
floor living right like maybe it would have been a studio on the first floor and I don't know what on the second floor but um for the other one that it was all top of the shop housing like that there's only so much you can do there there's only so much you can do that right I mean if they put in enough units to trigger something else then they'd have to supply that accessibility um but that really didn't
even that building didn't even feel like you should have even one unit on the first floor as an accessible unit it just didn't feel right with the restaurant supply on the Bott the restaurant supply yeah the uh well yeah it wasn't it certainly wasn't there wasn't Green Space or anything conducive to um attracting you out outs side it was parking around a building and units up above yeah
so um yeah so I mean the the only thing I can think of is it's it's a little bit well it's on the second page but I could put in that top summary something about you
know these were revised in 2 225 to encourage um accessible units like maybe I can fit that into the top paragraph so that when developers first look at this it's in the front it's in the top paragraph I I would think that most developers would have that on their mind anyway um and we don't want to require it because that would have been a problem at the at the property that's
mixed use with the top of the shop yeah we wouldn't want to scare anybody away but if we can squeeze it in when we can I think it's important sorry interrupt you think I should just leave it where it's placed in it's on the second page it's in I should probably know this but but I don't um on on the breakdown of square footage for the units section 404 zoning
bylaw that's just a that's what's 404 is that a no Hotel it's Hotel yeah hm o1 Motel oh that's conversion of a hotel no we don't allow conversion anymore because what we were finding is we weren't getting functional living units trying to to do them those long narrow row um so it would be rais in replace there's a lot of benefits to hotel properties because you get the increased density you're also part most of them
are part of the growth incentive zone so you don't have to go through the cape C commission's drri process so there's a lot of benefits to it not doing it anymore no we're doing it for raise and replace not for um renovating the existing structure okay we got a lot of like really you know interesting proposals at first when the motel bylaw was passed um where um properties that were kind of already being used for year round housing you know they converted and then that became a time
when the proposals really weren't that great so we decided to take that part of the bylaw out um it it had it and that's what you do with zoning right if you're not getting anything good from that zoning and it was meant to incentivize a certain style and it's now going in a different direction you just you can just go to town meeting and take it out
um some people put a sunset clause in kind of like experimental zoning bylaws right to make sure that that happens you know um but that worked out really well because just when it was start the that part of the bylaw was starting to kind of not produce something that was really that great it was gone and and the properties that were kind of left really needed to be raised and replaced yeah well the problem with older
Motel um stock like that is that the the unit size is so small to begin with it's not like a modern hotel is 325 350 square ft and these were probably talking 200 square ft so even when you gang three rooms together you really only have a studio out of the so can we check with the people that are um online if they have any
comments Drew I'm listening I don't have a I don't have a comment right at the moment Lee pal do either of you have comments no comments no okay all right um new business Soldier on site visit yeah so um I don't know if you it's been so difficult to get a uh I
was thinking of of seeing what they have on their calendar for uh this time of year they might have some type of um I don't know open house day they do every year at these places I don't know I was thinking rather than us kind of trying to schedule something just see what's on their calendar see if they have any um events um the other thing is um I don't know if um Greg you were able to contact
Towers to tunnels I didn't um I can certainly do that yeah um I mean is it is this viable I don't want to get them all excited that that we're reaching out to them and then all you have to say is that your their name that you suggested their name during this process and see if they have a local uh contact um and the the other thing I was thinking is maybe they it might be easier just to have Soldier on come down
to us right well that way we can't we can't see what they it's true they do a or so I have just been having such terrible luck they could do a PowerPoint or something like that and and you know showing the room I mean the I don't think what we're going to find when we go up there is something that is trans is is the building is transferable down here necessarily right so um it's it's
more understanding kind of what the physical attributes are that they're looking for you know that they build into each of their buildings would be interesting to know just from a standpoint of uh when we have a site you know are they interested in something how many units does it have to be for them to have interest okay that sort of thing see I'm thinking it might be more productive hi Drew hi so uh I would like
soiron to come to Yarmouth yeah because to see if they might be uh appropriate for this Muk for the mes property and uh what were you saying earlier uh in um Mary um some people may will need Services who would live here in housing on the
mes property and it would be good to have that lined up first or something could you go over that again so so what I find is that um so what I find is people who need Services right who you know might be coming out of transitional like the people that would live in in a soldier run project that if you already if you if you start with that part yes that as phase one
right then everybody else coming in already knows it's there right so for example we we were very concerned about one of the concerns in the community for reusing the high school the John Simpkins high school for housing was that we had the seaside FES Seaside Festival there every year yes Y and there was a real concern that the the
residents would then try as a buts try to stop that Festival from going on every year I mean it takes over that place right and so I I just I said no what we'll do is during the lottery and Lease up is that we are very clear with everybody that applies to the for the units and everybody who gets in the lottery and looks at knows that every
year there's a big Festival so you let them know what the site is all about ahead of time and then they can choose whether they want to go there or not I mean there is nothing wrong with having that property having multi multiple uses I it should yeah so so instead of like starting with like let's say we we we had different types of housing there instead of starting with the Habitat homes first do you know
what I mean maybe start with the uh uh Towers to tunnels I'll be in touch with them tomorrow or you know um the soldier on first do you know what I mean so they're like on the site that's what you were getting at yeah thanks for clarifying yeah I see that and I that's a good illustration about the simkin school I get what you're saying yeah right and with that little bit of extra education we there was never any problem
knock on wood yeah can I just take a step back you you just said something that kind of fascinated me about the tenants trying to put an end to the seaside can't you just put something in the lease that says by the way not for affordable housing you can't really yeah you couldn't put a clause in that says hey on this weekend just so you know this is happening and wow okay right yeah that would be what but not with affordable housing they're very strict about what can be in a lease wow okay I
didn't know that but we just let everybody know what that site was used for so that they kind of knew what was going on before they got there there was also um this uh shared parking there for the during the baseball season is it little league that's there over that right yeah okay so uh that was something that we had to be very clear about that there was going the the developer
decided they were not going to have assigned parking right but they everybody going in there we're supposed to have been told that those back parking spots that are kind of grally those are supposed to be for the baseball tenants have a tendency to assign themselves their own parking and uh but it the parking worked over there because it's 55 plus so you you you most
households have only one car you know what I mean like you just you just don't need it later on I'm hoping for that someday I have three and that's killing me so sound good Drew yes all right thank you well I mean one of the things that would you know is they're going to that we should think about um for the Muk site is you know is
there going to be some kind of a Transportation Hub there that connects somehow down to um Route 28 right so if you were to if you were to like let's say you were going to do senior housing right um and very low income senior housing and you're probably not going to get a lot of people with independence with respect to Transportation well the
people that are going to manage that property need to kind of figure that out so for example Soldier on they they buy a van do you know what I mean uh we asked them that question were there people that they help out that you know don't have cars they oh no everybody has a car but we have a van too they always make sure each of the facilties have a van so yes that's something that you can say coming in you you have to figure
that out and it might be them you know calling our Regional Transportation authority and saying what capacity do you have to come every morning get a DART bus come every morning grab our people bring them around and bring them home at night and they might say well that might mean putting a covered bus stop on the on the property some abely so and you you you I don't think you'd ever get a
a it's a new route I don't think you'd ever get a new route no um but dial The Ride yeah there's dial ride there's there's a lot of options now it just the property needs to be set up for those people to have somewhere to be outside to pick up the bus absolutely we'll put that in one of those columns [Laughter] that's a good idea a covered bus I mean if you had to go the bus yesterday right
with the snow or whatever the rain so um yeah that's a good idea um so Greg and I will work on that and watch your email because we might have a another site visit all right okay uh reports and action uh chairs report I don't have anything uh home Consortium uh the meeting in January was postp uh cancelled I should say uh the
next meeting is next week so um also related to that and I put it in under home Consortium I hope that's okay the regional shared housing resources so Barrett planning is the Cy's housing specialist and we're using those uh first 30 hours for Muk housing stuff right that's how we um that program was using arpa money and it ends
that bit of money ends June 30th 2025 so um I'm going to put it on the agenda for the trust meeting which is in mid-February to extend that um so what would happen is I think it's like $98,000 a year to run this program I think there's like a three tiered M three tiered option um depending on how many hours you use
right and how many towns subscribe to it subscribe so the more towns the less hours the less it would be I believe and then the fewer towns and the more hours the more expensive it would be but my recommendation is going to be because um because we we have we feel we're going to use continue to have a need for um a housing consultant on this and that this might I don't I don't want to bum you out but it might go past June 30th 2025
right so um that that my recommendation to the trust is to subscribe um they had right they had the basic which was basically a hotline right I have a housing problem and plus they they have office hours every other week two hours every other week right and then they have special project Consulting and then monitoring I just I told them we probably would never use the monitoring
hours but we probably would use like 30 uh additional Consulting hours so I'm going to suggest to the trust that we go forward with that okay great hopefully other town I'm assuming this is very helpful to you this has um it really kicked in with this with this yeah yeah um the the going every other every other week was was good some of the stuff that they talked about I kind
of already knew you know what don't you know me right but what what it's done is it's it's brought um all the staff members across the cape that work on housing together and it's um it's kept everybody on track in a better way do you know what I mean is that the only opportunity you've had for everybody to get to together that does what you do the home Consortium was um doing that for us um but now that they have a consultant you
know uh convening all the housing staff people every other week it's they don't you don't need the Home Consortium doesn't need to put that on their agenda anymore so Rey Hammond from the county was already doing that but now it's that's kind of shifted to this project um this this shared housing office office and I have to say that um the you know the Cape Cod Commission is updating its Regional policy plan and they had a
focus group on housing and they invited all the housing staff from across the cape and it it was a a more cohesive group because we've been meeting with each other every other Tuesday you know so we kind of um nobody was shy and speaking at that meeting cuz they were all comfortable with each other so it's right then and there I was like oh that's because we've been on those calls every or those zooms every other week so
I would say yes it's been very helpful um you you don't want to have an expert just in one town because guess what will happen all your affordable housing will go to that one town you want to spread the love right region wide it's good to kind of work out those Regional issues too cu um some places feel that they have these huge barriers to to developing affordable
housing like I have no land well there's ways to to get around that we you know we have water issues well there's ways to get around that so it's it's good to get the group together to talk those out what's working on the cape okay um Yarmouth Housing Authority Drew uh the armouth Housing Authority meets tomorrow and we are going to issue a RFP for the land we own on Forest
Road on the first week of March and I was interested to see the uh the uh Mass Works things that Mary shared with us because like that the uh density is similar in in our our idea there for Forest Road like 50 units in our case on a simil SAR amount of Acres I would say out of the 19 Acres of that land we would use less than half of it for is
the is the idea I think but that's up to the developer that's me that's it drew can I ask a question when when you say um you know you would only be using half of that land you you and so the rest of the land would remain green or undeveloped the development wouldn't no it wouldn't cover all that 19 acres of land no not
even close that's our that's the way we're thinking of it yeah thank you if you look at that I'll show you the RFP I'd be interested in seeing that as well yeah the the number of bedrooms the number of bedrooms is like they figured out what kind of wastewater treatment facility they wanted on the site then they back calculated the number of bedrooms and then they back calculating the number of room of units right what I mean bedrooms would be at 90 I
believe so one of my first public comments on this and I I I I we'll see if it's in the RFP or not but um is to kind of cluster everything together right you know you have there's a lot of land there don't spread it all out for two reasons you might want to save some trees and too if the if that area ever gets sewered right you would still have building capacity on the site I'm
talking like decades down the road that is true but uh I'll email you a copies of the request for proposals okay email it to me and I'll pass it on to the committee all right very good okay affordable housing trust so um the trust meets on the 18th like I said on the agenda is uh this funding for the regional shared housing um office also they issued um an
RFP uh for $500,000 for it's basically um for the acquisition of land for the development of affordable rental housing so um it went out to um people who have responded to such rfps in the past um and um I I have the understanding that one developer is we're going to get at least one response um so they they let me know
they're they're um expressing it overnight so uh heads up so for me to watch for it so anyway so that's good news um and there a priority for redeveloping something that's underutilized or blighted uh into uh uh um mixed juice development uh focusing in on places that are going to get sewered so you you're seeing hopefully we get a village Village Center kind of
development on Route 28 so that's the big news there okay planning board I think that the big news was the LCP you want to just give us a real brief I don't want to put you on the spot Kathy but I'm sure you can do this it's okay uh yeah we had a LCP community meeting on January 29 9th it was very well attended we were very very happy got a lot of new and kind of different ideas that we hadn't really thought about we really concentrated on four
categories the economy uh land use housing and then also um Coastal resiliency and sustainability I think some of the other categories we've gotten a lot of really good information already on so we were concentrating on those so we're going to be summarizing all that and putting it up on on the website so people can see that and that will help us to inform uh as we come up with different action items to include in the local comprehensive plan thank you climate resiliency and what Coastal resiliency and sustainability and sustainability thank
you uh Community preservation committee hi Lee any update around the CPC we met last Wednesday and we're meting again this Wednesday uh to finalize our warrants and you probably all know that the housing foral Housing Trust um the committee approved an application for $620,000
and um that would go before the town and the April town meeting and um um homeless um I'm trying to remember the name of the project Council of churches um Hands of Hope Outreach Center was awarded $40,000 well we approved an application for $40,000 for them to provide services um to yth Residents and that's
usually prevention help with rent um and so forth and that money solely goes for yth residents they serve a couple of different towns so we talked about how we'll be presenting the warrants and um with discussing that further probably we're agreeing that um representatives for particular um areas will present like I'll present the two applications for
housing and that's what we've done in the past so that's all I can think of as an update and Lee um as as backup right Bob lton can answer any questions um on the trust article correct correct and I think what happens is kathern Driscoll who's executive director of Hands of Hope is invited to attend town meeting in case there are
questions so and I'm pretty familiar with their program good I'd rather have Bob lton back up for the uh affordable housing trust if needed but usually that's the format usually there's somebody there to answer any in-depth questions okay okay um Department of Comm commity development I don't this is kind of like a catch all but I think we're um yes thank you yeah I that's
where I was going to fit it in okay that's why we have this yeah or the trust I guess I could have fit it under the trust so um I don't have the letter with me but you guys oh here it is okay so this Wednesday the 12th at 5:00 um habitat is hosting a neighborhood Hood meeting for the proposed development of six Homes at 11 uh 1211
uh Route 28 in South garmouth very gross Street visited the site a couple of months ago right yeah y um and uh kudos to Habitat for figuring out some uh legally stuff because it was one parcel split into two two and it was like a condominium and um there was um promised improvements to the site that weren't getting done but habitat solved everything um and so onw
they they feel that they can uh build six um units there the again they've they've sent this letter to all the abutters just like a nice little letter saying exactly what's going on and also um some uh elevations of the six units uh so the those things you know people these things you know change as things get engineered out and stuff like that but um we're we're pretty comfortable
that these are the homes that are going to be on the site um so we had I think I told you when we had site plan review we had our town engineer and we had our uh our water engineer and they advised H Habitat to wait for this area to be sewered yeah um otherwise they would have a a Title 5 system an expensive Title 5 system that would only be functioning for 12 to 18 months so why
don't we wait so um it it is going to get pushed back um but um we're very happy that habitat is involving the neighborhood now um so we can get everybody's input on this as we go forward [Music] um what's the what's I think Myra might be um might be coming to this you guys don't have to come if you don't want um but um but for for this meeting yeah you
don't you don't have to come if you don't want to you're welcome to um when and where again it's Wednesday at 5: you know Mary what is this in the middle that square thing was the proposed wastewater treatment facility I found this on the so that'll go away but the the still remain in and it will get an address a wood Road address we just haven't heard that
yet and and they're working with the town to make sure that sewer line goes up wood road so it does okay and of uh great interest is the one bedroom right along Route 20 because that's a new
um see which one it is it might be the last page are there any plans the building next door that's derel at this point any plans that that's going to go away so um maybe so there isn't there a little thrive in case that ever happen yeah there's a future drive it's showing on the plan so yep so a couple of interesting things with the abuts um
they have had they have had not had success connecting with the owner of that property um they're having staff changes Beth Wade is uh moving on to I think the the uh conservation um compact the compact of conservation trusts of Cape Cod but they've already hired her replacements so I think the Newbie is going to come um on Wednesday and
um so we'll see there there there might be an emphasis with a new staff person to kind of hun down that contact um but we now we have plenty of time right yeah it was supposed to be permitted 2025 and now it's that's going to be pushed off at least 12 months cuz it's going to be a comp permit M and those are only good for two years so they have to time it uh correct with their construction
schedule um and the other spot that's kind of funky is um the bottom piece that says existing building there was an encroachment there um so I think they're working out um see there's an exclusive use easement line that's what that's about there was some
Hardscape put in um by that a butter who didn't uh you know properly respect that property line maybe didn't know about it I don't know but um what's nice is that habitat's like oh we don't want to make our neighbor have to move their Hardscape I guess is a nice little spot with a um a fire pit and everything so um so I'm hoping that those people come to the
meeting so and tell everybody how nice habitat's already been so okay um and that's it that's it um no we have um portable housing Lottery that you put on our yes and then the um block grant so
just today you got um by email a public notice of our uh public hearing um we're having two plus a focus group meeting on our community development block grant the town gets about $128,000 a year uh from us HUD it's an entitlement um and we're just about to explore our five-year um update our five-year action plan um and part of that is a one-year action plan so that's the notice the
public hearing number one is February 25th at 3M here in town hall at the hearing room and the public hearing number two is two days later February 27th at 6: pm and that's also a uh a focus group meeting so public hearings usually you say okay here's the pro program blah blah blah blah blah what do you think right you just you hear what people um on the on the 27th we're going to start with that but then ask some
questions leading questions um for people um and invite um heavily invite on the 27th people who work in the community on housing and food security and uh Community Health Public Health that kind of stuff so we'll Reach Out to the hospital see if they'll send somebody um that happened 5 years ago and that's how we found out that Medicaid was supplying um money for
transportation for Medicaid patients yeah and that Medicaid was going to make it so that um you couldn't you know if you had somebody in a facility you you and they didn't have secure housing Medicaid was supposed to to help with that um and I Elder services and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts really picked up that uh Gauntlet whatever and um right now
there's this program that's the Money Follows you um so I'm working with a person who is in a a medical facility who's ready right to come to an affordable unit they've kind of bubbled up to the top of the list and they're going to use some of this Money Follows you towards their first and last month's rent moving costs we're hoping Furniture so this there's some stuff going on so um and
also yes on your um on your at your seat there is a flyer it's double-sided um give it what we have the Cape Cod Ready renter program has an affordable housing lottery for a one-bedroom affordable unit at 5:30 Main Street in Dennis and the rent is $166 a month utilities not included so it's in partnership with the town of
Dennis um it's an affordable unit and the affordable housing trust runs the affordable the ready renter program it's a it's Lottery services for scattered site units like this a lottery unit usually costs anywhere from 25,000 to 50,000 and it doesn't matter how many units you have that that's what um big lottery companies charge so what the trust does is it it subsidizes that uh with my time and a consultant with the
Plymouth we have a contract with the Plymouth Redevelopment Authority and we're able to do it for much less for uh developers in other towns um and for far less for developers located in Yarmouth um then on the back side is the ready renter wait list so the nice thing about the ready renter program is after you do your initial Lottery you're supposed that list becomes your weight list but it expires in two years then what do you do well technically you have to hold
another whole Lottery again ah so what we do is we've con convinced the state to let us have one General weight list after that two-year period to start using one big General weight list for everybody and that's what that is so that's um we we're about to purge everybody on the list uh we take care of about we use that list for about 70 units capewide um and um you have to reapply
or or you can apply if you're not on the list right now we hold another whole Lottery we shake it all up give everybody a fresh chance on the lottery and so um that's the notice for that so if you know where wherever you go put a poster up um and if you know somebody that's looking for affordable housing um send them to me and I can send them the application it it runs through April 9th
so they do have um an ample amount of time to apply can I a quick question on the on on the that list so people apply for that once and then they can sit on it for years and years and years not with us not with have to reapply yeah okay so right so there are programs that are like that you apply and you're there there on that list and once in a while that it's usually
like the champ list right which is all the public housing on the cap once in a while they'll contact you and say are you still interested in being on the list and if you send back say yes I am you don't lose your spot other people might fall off because they've moved or they didn't have they didn't update their contact information um but um and so that's and I and I think that was kind of like past practice and that's just what's going to happen with that and that's what people
call like the Section 8 list I've been on the Section 8 list for years right this these are local action units so they're a little bit different when the address comes up originally um we have to have a lottery a fresh lottery for that address every new address gets its own Lottery but after that we can combine um the weight list and the weit list again it expires in two years it's purged and you have to reapply so they have to reapply every two
years yeah they decided that's not unreasonable I mean right and I have to tell you that I work on these lists and they just get really stale like people who are on the list they've after two years they've usually found something we we had that problem it's like you you waste so much time trying to get through and you 10 people you're like they're all set and you know you've wasted a lot of time and maybe that 11th person is waiting for the phone call and then they
just fall away right okay um upcoming meetings Muk housing meeting number two reconciliation is February 24th at 3 p.m. in the hearing room and our next committee meeting is March 10th at uh 3:00 I'm assuming Mar okay Y and any other business are they all at
3:00 the the three you've got here yes yep the only one that's at two is March 17th is your next mck so it's so it's February 24th at 3 March 17th which St Patrick's Day is at 2 that's right and sobriety is um required on that
one we're getting out here out of here on time on that night um okay any other any other business um do we have a motion to adjourn I move that we adjourn second second uh roll call vote uh lee Lee hi okay uh Drew i p i Greg
I I and John I okay thank you