Um, and >> we got six people here. >> Is Todd here? >> Josh. >> Josh. >> Josh, rather Josh. >> Who is the >> recording in progress? >> Okay. So, >> I can't read it. >> I want to uh we're going to begin the uh
meeting of the community housing committee. We have remote participants. So, we'll we'll start the meeting with a roll call. I'll start with the remote folks. Myra Sahenich >> here. Palm Sonors >> here.
>> Okay. Here. >> My left here. >> Lee here. Lee Hamilton here. Dedric Aquin here. >> Okay. The meeting has now been called to order and the first uh order of business is minutes I believe.
>> Yeah. >> Cleaning up old minutes. Right. >> That's right. So um just to remind everybody this meeting is live broadcast recorded and to and will be rebroadcast at a later date. >> Okay. >> And in your packets you have two sets of minutes. One from March 9th 2026 and one
from July 14th 2025. >> Okay. Let's start with the oldest one. Okay. July 14, 2025. Does anyone have comments or suggested? >> I looked through it and I saw no issues. >> Okay. Greg is okay with it. How about
our online folks? Any comment? >> Get to read it. >> Going once, going twice. No comments. >> It's all good. I did read I did read through them and I saw Yes. Here it is. >> July 14, >> uh, >> 25. >> That's the one. That's the only comment
talking about, right? Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I thought we were looking at Oh, no, no, no. The comment is on page 14th. >> Oh, we're only on July 14th. Okay. Sorry. >> You okay with that? >> Okay. >> Look at the wrong one. Why don't we just vote on the July 14th minutes? Okay.
>> Ready, Myra? >> You need a first and a second. >> Oh, yeah. We need a somebody to a >> motion to approve the minutes from July >> 2nd. >> 14th. >> Second. >> Okay. Now for the vote. Myra >> I. >> Palm
>> I. >> Greg >> I. >> Drew I. >> Lee I. Deerra. I. >> Okay. So the July 14 20 25 minutes are passed. Now the March 9 2026 meeting. Uh
would you like to make a comment about that? >> On the third page uh at the top the Habitat for Humanity item. >> The sewer system in early 2026 should be 2028. >> That's right. >> Okay. That's the only catch.
>> I noticed that too. >> Okay. But if you hadn't brought it up, I would have totally forgot that I even noticed it. So that was a good move. >> I just marked things. >> Yeah. >> No, thank you. >> Okay. >> And I I hadn't noticed any other errors
or >> on that. Anyone else? >> Nope. >> Okay. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes of >> I move that we approve the minutes as amended. >> Okay. >> From the motion. >> Okay. Now for the vote. Myra
>> I >> Greg >> I >> Drew I >> Lee I dearra I >> okay next old business community preservation plan and public hearing >> that was uh the community preservation
committee held their public hearing last week >> was well attended um Myra was online. Uh Noren Brown from Habitat was online. Bob Lton was in the audience. Um Bob Writtenower, the chair of the trust,
gave testimony. I gave testimony. Somebody from the historical commission of Yarmouthport, they gave testimony on the plan. Um so I think I thought >> Kathleen from um Hands of Hope. >> Driscoll from Hands of Hope was there. Um so I thought we were well represented
and I thought they did an excellent job. It was uh a after that muck uh public hearing. This was the second best this year. So anyways, um >> Well, I was in the building, but I went home because I was sick.
>> Oh, good. Thank you. We don't want any stickies. >> Um did you were you part of it, Lee? >> I'm sorry. >> Did you make comments at that meeting, Lee? >> Oh, yes. I had to read the whole housing section. >> So, were there a lot of people to
reading and um um >> the guy beside me, Paul, said, "I only have a little bit to read." And I offered a meeting to share my readings with him and he said, "No." >> But yeah, it was it went well. >> Yeah. Each like each um representative
gave like a summary of what happened last year and what were the proposals for this year and it was it was just it was well done and it was pretty quick. I think it was about 45 minutes >> in total and it was >> well Don Marie and Judy >> Judy's our new new uh
>> chair >> chair. Yeah. >> And Don Marie is the assistant and the Don Marie does a lot of work and she works closely with Judy. >> Yeah. >> They do a nice job the two of them. >> Good. >> I was able to attend. Were there many uh
members of the general public in attendance? Oh, um, that I did I I I didn't catch everybody that was online and everybody that was in the audience here kind of
either represented uh something or was from an agency. So, >> I'm just curious, is the public turn out I I I feel the public doesn't turn out often and then >> that was higher than most. That was that
was good. um uh they really promote it to people who want to apply for money. Do you know what I mean? So that it's really supposed to be the time when it's supposed to have the the cycle the timing is supposed to be just a little
bit different. But I think there were some scheduling issues. Um but you're supposed to have the public hearing and talk about the application right before the application is due. So people who have ideas can come and talk about it. But that it because of because
they were having the the weather issues application. You had weather issues. The application was due in September. Nobody wanted to have a public meeting in August. So um but um there there there is a a letter coming from Housing Assistance
Corporation uh for the next round. It it's going to be very interesting. So, um, we have that. Oh, not at all. I have to get it before you leave. We got an invitation from Forward in Dennis.
>> Yes. They're having an open house on the 30th. >> They're having an open house and it's a very interesting project because it's for it's for disabled adults, right? And it's disabled. >> Disabled adults. And it's like a great project. >> But what's nice is that they got funding
from all different towns on the Cape. >> Yeah. from different CPCs >> different CPCs. So housing located in Dennis >> it's in Dennis and um it goes on the Dennis subsidized housing inventory.
So housing assistance corporation is proposing something like this too. So yeah stay tuned. >> This is uh phase two forward phase >> phase two and they got money for the first project from our CPC as well.
And um it's mostly I think it's autism. >> It's adults with autism. >> Adults with autis autism. >> And I remember when they were looking to do that, somebody called me to write a grant and it didn't happen. It wasn't I probably could have, but I
remember I was busy with stuff or it was not certainly not my area of expertise, but a grant is a grant. >> But they they're doing well. I went to a yard sale there last year. Big big biggy eyes seal. >> Okay. Shall we carry on now? >> Yeah.
>> Yes. >> B. Madakis utilization project. >> No real update. The the Madakis utilization committee had their final public hearing on their proposal. I and they're they're preparing their final report to the select board.
>> All right. Woodro Habitat for Humanity. >> There's something in your packet. They received their project eligibility letter. So now they can apply for the six affordable homes at 1121 Route 28 uh to the zoning board of appeals and they
are preparing that uh formal application to the ZBA. >> Right. >> Okay. I read the letter too. >> So we can keep rolling here. 645 Route 28 Kasa. >> Yeah. No update.
>> 811. >> No update. >> 28. Can you just remind me which projects? >> 645 is the one that um the trust provided acquisition assistance to >> and it's going through permitting right now. So it was going to be a it's the
old Chinese restaurant. >> Yeah. I did I think that's one of the ones that Oh, I think it's this week this Wednesday at the planning board. I think that's >> okay. So it goes to the planning board for a special permit. >> Yeah. Let's see. Is that I brought that
just in case since Yeah, that's what there there'll be that will be coming up for special permit this Wednesday. And I got materials here. I think I grabbed my other materials. It looks very pretty.
It's going to be um >> pretty. >> It's going to be apparently a restaurant and a retail. >> There you go. >> Facing 28 and 11 units. >> Yes. Wow. restaurant. >> That's what That's what it said in here.
I mean, obviously, I don't know how it go they go about getting the restaurant, but that's what the plan says. >> And how many units are affordable? >> 11. So, there's 11 apartments in total, >> right? >> 10 onebedrooms, one twobedroom. Four are affordable.
>> That's good. >> And I the the trust upon my advice asked for four one-bedroom units >> to be affordable. Otherwise, that twobedroom, it'll have kids in it and there's no playground. It's too tight
for a playground. So, I thought that it'd be better if we went after the one bedrooms. >> A quick question. >> So, that's going So, I got to make sure that I should probably submit um some standard comments for the special permit. Um
>> yeah, >> uh decision. >> I can I've got the planning board materials here, so be it. you and I can go over them and see what would help you. >> Just out of curiosity on um deer drone something like that the restaurant and the retail. So what do they they just
they zone it for that? >> I believe >> and then the whoever's going to lease it comes in and refits it to however it works for them. >> That's how what I understand but I don't really know how it all works. Do you Mary? >> I think that's but I'm not sure either. >> Yes. But it'll allow the restaurant
>> and then whoever's going to lease it out decides what they're going to >> depending on how sure the project proponent is, right? They might want both they want might want both of those uses approved for
both of the units. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. >> So they can be flexible, >> but the planning board might say, "No, we want to know exactly what you're doing now." And then >> the special permit would approve it. This unit for restaurant, this unit for retail.
>> And actually the official I saw restaurant in there somewhere. I the picture I think it said restaurant and but the actual proposal is to demolish the former restaurant building and construct a two-story mixeduse building including 11 apartments and
approximately 2400 square feet of commercial space. So it doesn't even specify the type and related site improvements zoning bylaw section 414. So so I guess that that kind of answers that question that
>> the planning board can be flexible. They can say come back to us or they might say we're not really feeling a good vibe here. You know we want to everything to be specific and and they can continue it until they are. >> So if it's approved as is, right? And
then the the owner says, "Well, guess what? I have someone who wants to rent both spaces, but they want to be in all of their restaurant or all of it retail." Then they have to go back to the to step one. >> It depends what's on the right. It >> So that could hold up the the park.
>> I'm just curious, you know, there's there's ways to make that flexible, but I I haven't paid that close attention to special permits issued from the planning board. I suspect that this planning board is gonna want to be very precise,
>> but the way this is worded as 2400 square feet of commercial, it kind of opens it for any way they go. So, we'll see how it goes. >> Yeah. And some planning boards are like, well, give us your final plan. You know what I mean? And some want the final
plan right there. So, >> but just to clarify, if they're uh >> if the trust gave provide the acquisition funds, aren't they going to really want to see some housing there? >> 11 11 units. >> No, but what what I hear you saying is they could decide just to do all
commercial, but they can't. It's going to be mixed housing and it's got to include these numbers of units. >> They have to provide the trust with four affordable units. >> Okay? They could they could reduce the total number of but they have to give four affordable units or else they have to
give the money back to the trust. >> Okay. >> And those four affordable units are higher than what was usually required for mixed housing. >> Yes. >> It's above minimum. >> Yep. So our local zoning required a minimum of two affordable units. >> Right.
>> But the trust required four >> in their agreement with them required four. And that's something that we need to make sure gets into the special permit decision. >> I'm glad you clarified that. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And they were great to work with.
So don't be shy about asking what for what you want because uh he he gave the trust what he they asked for. No problem. >> So it has to be four affordable period. And they has to be they preferably should be onebedroom, >> right?
>> Okay. >> Yeah. And I think I I have a written agreement that's all signed. Maybe we can maybe I can throw that in the comments. >> Okay. Yeah, that's right. >> For the for the planning board. >> And then sometimes the planning board can just reference that agreement >> and then you're done.
>> Yeah. >> But this will be fun. >> Yes. >> We haven't done this in a while. >> So 811. >> We did have an update >> on the next one on 811. Isn't that the one where the the old motel?
811 is the eight units, the eight town houses and an update on that too. >> And in the middle there's going to there was going to be a washing >> Yeah. machine thing, but we want it to be a >> oh >> accessible apartment set,
>> right? The the um the the that space >> brought it up to to to a >> and we said that I we were you know this committee said how asked how big would that unit be? And um
the thought was that if it was large enough it could be a one >> level fully accessible unit. Um so I haven't heard back from them. So >> So that's not certain yet? That's not a certain >> No, they and they haven't applied for
the special permit yet. They're still >> I don't think so. You haven't seen anything? No. >> Yeah. They they tend to work on it a lot and then, you know, it's it's familyowned, so they work on it a lot and then it goes quiet for a little bit and then they come
back. So, >> they were going to take out the uh middle laundry room and put washers and dryers in each unit. Is that correct? >> Much better. >> Yeah, much better. >> Okay. New business. Tada. So this is so
the fees and loo price for FY26 I haven't calculated definitively is now that's for 702 route 28 DRA that's not coming in front of the planning board is it? >> No the unless that's the
is that the the um luxury townouses on Parker River. >> Yes. >> No it came before us at the last meeting. So that's one of the things that I was going to that's what I said I have something on that and basically
okay it's it's three double >> yeah six units with four bedrooms and four bathrooms each I call them luxury and they are paying um they they are paying to opt out of affordable
>> okay so did the planning board make that decision >> I don't know that that was, you know, it it was not discussed except that as they were leaving, they said, "And we're well, we're not going to we're going to opt we're going to pay to opt out of
it." >> Okay. >> So, I a lot of the discussion centered on issues that the planning board had no control over. >> Okay. >> And I think that might be one. I I don't >> Okay. >> I don't know if it is. >> All right.
>> So, if there's eight units, that would have been what? One affordable. No. Uh, it's >> if they if they were going to put an affordable unit, I mean, >> if they hadn't opted out, >> right? They hadn't opted out, it would be one unit. >> Five. >> Yeah, >> it was it's six units. >> I think I have No, I don't have the
picture. >> I don't have my thing with >> uh I'm pretty sure it's six units. Um, in >> they would have to provide one affordable. >> So, if they don't, they're going to pay us for how much? How much would that be? It's only going to come to 150,000 because it's
>> that's that's I don't think that's an only. >> Well, if it was a single family home, it'd be more like >> I know still it's a chunk of change that you to put into the piggy bank, right? So, >> you said six units, four bedrooms, and how many bathrooms each? >> Four. >> That's what I thought I heard you say.
>> Each bedroom has a bathroom. >> Okay. >> So stupid. But that's just an opinion. >> Yeah. It's not official policy of >> you could have a half bath for everybody and then one bath for the master bedroom and one bathroom each year she I mean that's
>> but they have four is excessive >> I think so >> whatever but >> so uh you have fees in lie of price for fiscal year 2026 and what's the nugget >> so the connection is I was at yeah so
702 route 28 they're going to opt out so I >> that was the point of putting that particular item on the agenda. >> Yeah. Um >> Okay. >> Is it coming back to the planning board or is it done? >> I think I think it's done. And the
biggest discussion was as always lack of parking. And it's really really outrageous that the way they have it planned for two parking spaces per unit. And I figured they're going to have an
awful lot of adults staying there with all these luxury bedrooms. and they anyway it's um they meet the legal minimum. >> Yeah. So we said, "Okay, we can't deny you because of this, but we urgently
requested that they reconfigure the lower level to permit four cars per unit because there is no street parking and it's right on Route 28. And the the lower level is for flood control purposes,
not a real level. It's garage and sun room. So we said you can reconfigure it to make the garage bigger and the sun room a little smaller and fit four cars. And so they agreed to try and do that but it was not
>> okay. >> Yeah. >> I think that makes a lot of sense because you you know you you drive you drive in the summertime people got five six seven eight cars in front of their house with guests down for the weekend or whatever. So I think that makes a lot of sense. >> Otherwise you have people parking on 28 all you know. Right. and there really
isn't any place nearby that they could, you know, go and park. >> So, is is the amount that they pay dependent upon what they're charging for the units? >> It's um it's dependent on the median
um sale price of units. But because these are duplexes, you go to uh you go to the condominium numbers, >> not the single family homes. Okay. And >> so we don't have a lot of luxury
condominiums in town. So that the median sale price for a condominium is significantly lower >> what they're going to be asking for >> a single family home. So um >> I bet it can be based on what they're asking instead of just this.
>> Well, we went through a lot of uh different scenarios and I don't know if Dedra was on the planning board at that time. was I remember it was just recently increased. >> Yeah, >> I think. Yeah. >> And that was the only that was the only
formula we had consensus on. >> Yeah, that was the only one we had consensus on. So, it's fine. It's >> that decision the planning board. >> It's it's it's in the it's in the zoning bylaw. So it's a number from
uh um is it banker and trademan? You know it's the it's the official publication p public published number for the median income. I mean I'm sorry the median sale price. >> Okay. So you have single family homes
and I thought that if you were starting to buy out in multif family housing that was that amount was going to be too high compared to multif family housing, >> right? >> Unfortunately, like this is like in a
spot that's a little weird. It's a duplex. It's a luxury duplex. Um and then um it's the gap between that and what a moderate income household could afford. And so in this case it's about $150,000.
>> Are they going to be asking a pretty penny for those units? >> I'm sure they will. >> Yeah. Four bedrooms, four bathrooms. >> We the planning board was struggling with making it fair for everybody. And so that's that's the formula we came up
with it. we otherwise we would have gotten we would have gotten 120,000 >> it um >> somehow it seems to their benefit more so than I mean it just seems obscured a
little bit but it is what it is. Well, the trust will will get one to two units out of that 150,000, >> you know. So, um, >> one to two units in the housing complex,
not >> but and that's what they're spending their money on right now. So, >> okay. B, ready general weight list open application period. >> Yep. So, the town runs the ready renter
program for the Cape. It's basically um inclusionary units um that are created by local zoning and um it's developers that aren't affordable housing developers. They're regular developers and they are uh by zoning required to
provide affordable units, but it's really not their niche. So, we run the lottery for those. >> Well, how did you say in inclusionary? Does that have a technical meaning? >> Yeah. Inclusionary zoning is Barnstable has it. Um Yarmouth has it. Dennis has
it. There might be some other towns, but Barnstable, Dennis, and Yarmouth have very active inclusionary zoning. And so when somebody uses a certain part of the bylaw or triggers a certain number of new units, they have to start providing
affordable units. >> Okay? So there'll be like one or two or three affordable units that now that developer needs to provide as affordable housing. Well, they can't just pick anybody as the tenant. It has to be affirmatively
fairly marketed. It has to be a lottery. Has to be monitored by the state. And that allows the affordable units to count towards the 10% inventory in that town. Um these lotteryies are expensive.
um they run $25,000 minimum, right? So um they're very timeconuming. There's expensive advertising for it. There's monitoring, etc. >> So um what because Yarmouth had so many of these, we took over the ready renter
program and we do the lottery. Um and then we charge developers in other towns um not quite $25,000, maybe about half. um even a little bit more than half to to run the program. And then it's up to
that town's affordable housing trust if they want to help that developer out or not with a little bit of a grant towards that fee. Um so anyways, we have 75 units now, right? We do have some in
Falmouth, uh Barnstable, Dennis, and like 35 in Yarmouth. So, um, we open up that general weight list every once in a while. So, right now it's open. >> So, if people want to get on the ready renter general weight list, they can
email me um at mwagan, that's mwy ganarmouth. Or they can call me 508-398-2231 extension 1275 and ask for an application. >> 1275. >> Extension 1275.
Yeah. And so, um, >> I love that number. >> How many people are on that list? >> Uh, right now there's like there's like 180 people. >> It's not a huge number. >> They're mostly small households that
need onebedrooms or studios and we have a slew of two bedrooms in Fmouth. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Um, there was a development. They got money from town of Falmouth to do 10 duplexes. Most of them are two-bedrooms. There's
16 two-bedroom units and four three-bedroom units. And um they asked us to do the ready renter lottery for them. We said, "Sure. It's hard to fill two bedrooms um consistently." So, we
had to open up the wait list for that. So, we accept one-bedroom household applications and two-bedroom household applications and three-bedroom household applications, but it really got opened because we we went through all of our larger households. If
>> you had two one-bedroom households, could you combine them and put them into a two-bedroom? >> Um, our program allows people to form a household. >> Ah, yeah. >> Yeah. So if two people said yeah I'll
live with uh you know Mary or or Drew or whoever. Yeah sure. >> So there there was a there was we had a like a housing training and there were two adults. They met themselves. They met each other at the training. They
formed a household and applied and they bought an affordable home. >> Yeah. But did they live happily ever after? That was my next question. >> I have no idea. I haven't heard from them. So I'm thinking yes. That's what we were like, get me out of here. >> Got it. But we we allow Yarmouth allows
people to form a household to apply. >> And that makes sense because um a lot a lot of times affordable housing helps with family reunification, >> right? Like the grandkids are living with the grandparents because there's not enough room at this, you know, at
the apartment that the mom and dad have. So um a lot of times it's uh family it helps with family reunification >> for for rental units they have to be income eligible correct >> and is that just a one time income
eligible or is that monitored? >> So for um the programs that are like run by housing authorities and the bigger apartment buildings on Route 28 at Simpkins School. >> Yes. You have to be income eligible when you go in and every year.
>> Okay. every year you get reertified. >> But for um the ready renter units, >> okay, >> you can increase to 140% of the area median income. >> So once you get in there, you're not asked to leave. >> Okay,
>> unless you break the lease. So it's stable housing, but when you get when you go in, you have to be income eligible. Most people stay income eligible. Um, now if you have a rental voucher, same same as the big apartment
buildings on Route 28, you have to stay income eligible every year or you lose your voucher. It's really those programs to me are really designed for people who have social security. Do you know what I
mean? Like it's just it fits nicely. I can just see the I can just sense that they were designed with the same people that you know designed social security. It's like >> SSI or SSDI too. >> Yeah.
>> Like really limited incomes. Yeah. >> Right. And they expect you to be at those limited incomes forever. >> So um but this is our ready renter program is a local >> getting very short. Yeah, they're local action units. They're that flexible
local initiative program from the state, not the chapter 40B, not the low income housing tax credits. It's supposed to be as flexible as possible. So, >> well, that was very interesting. >> I'm glad I asked about uh what that all
meant. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so, now we're on the fourth section here, reports and actions. And it says the chair's report. I don't suppose we're going to have such a thing today.
The home consortium report. >> So let's see. Uh deciphering my own handwriting is probably the most challenging thing I'm going to do all day today. Let's see. Our last meeting was March 19th, 2026.
Uh three new members, uh full members, uh Dennis at large and Bourne were added. Um they will be effective uh in our next meeting which is this week later this week. Um there was a discussion of uh project Capewide
updates. None were here in Yarmouth. They were other parts of the Cape. Uh the US Senate has approved home of the year. Uh HUD income limits were delayed until May.
The 2026 action plan was reviewed and discussed and approved unanimously. >> Um, the next meeting is, as I mentioned, this week, April 16th, uh, 9:00 a.m. Zoom. That's all I have.
Okay. Now I'm I I need to open the calendar here because I am going to report about the Yarmouth Housing Authority and our our meeting this month is going to be on the 21st of April.
It's a unusual date for us. And uh at that meeting, we're going to carry on with our uh notion of possibly uh getting a pro housing project going on Forest Road
near the senior center. And we're going to receive a report about from our engineer from a engineering company uh talking about um talking about uh water issues, you know,
and uh septic system issues and what the capacity of that land is and what sort of septic treatment water would need per unit. That's that sort of thing. and that should help us. Uh, and our advisor
from the Mass Housing Partnership will author other suggestions for any new requests for proposals that we may wish to offer. So, that's on April 21st at 5:15 p.m. on Long Bond Road at the
Housing Authority Development. That's that report. Then there's we come to affordable housing trust report. >> Yep. So, uh they meet on the 21st >> but at 9:00 am. >> It's oily.
>> I thought it was 9:30. >> 9:30. >> Is that 9:30 or 9:00 a.m.? >> I think it's 9:30. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. Any other comments about that? So, I think they're gonna um
um they might be able to finalize an RFP um for uh AC acquisition assistance of properties on Route 28. So, um I think the the big thing is that there's some properties on Route 28 that
would develop very nicely into mixed use, but there's still a couple of blighted properties that might not. So, I think they they need to figure that out. um if they want to also guide um
some some areas that will never be mixed juice into just high quality residential. So that's kind of what that big discussion was going to be. >> Should I plan on attending? That means I should attend. >> I have not heard from anybody.
>> Yeah. Well, that's partially my fault. >> How could we? >> Is it because I stole your pen? >> Okay. You must rectify this. I gave you another one. >> I I thought so. Anyways, when some when there's a vacancy and all of that stuff, I'm supposed to send it up to the town
administrator's office. I thought I had like press the go button and the email was still in draft. So, it went out last week. >> Oh. >> But it should have gone out like maybe a week before that. So, >> So, you're going to be a representative
both on the home consortium? >> They'll allow me. Okay, >> that won't be that doesn't seem to be a a >> an issue. >> Yeah, I know what you mean. >> Issue with me. I mean, >> right. No, well, some towns are like, well, we don't want like one person to
be on too many. >> Find that, >> but the home consortium is so different >> every different committees anyway. I mean, right. I mean, >> you got a select person who's on the the commission and also on thing. So, I mean, >> yeah, >> as long as it's not a conflict. I mean, I don't see I think sometimes people on
multiple committees is a good thing. >> Yeah. I Yeah. I don't I don't see any obstacle to that. >> Okay. Just asking. I always wonder the only good things but never do. >> We really are volunteers. >> Yeah. Right. Right. I'm not making a scent off of this.
>> Well, it's so helpful publicly. >> Um planning board. Well, I've talked a lot about a couple of the projects that came before us. And one other that's been that we approved
a couple of weeks ago is the Becker's package store. >> Beckers. >> They are expanding uh >> putting up a um an attractive front and >> that's interesting. an a an an addition
in the back with a second story which is in going to include two apartments and >> that's something. >> Yeah. And it was very nice and it's a very large property so there's no parking issue and they have uh set it up
quite nicely it seems to keep the package store in the front and the entrance to the apartments in the back and it it all seemed very very nice and very attractive. I can I can see the sign, but I can't play. Where's it located? >> It's almost to Hyannis. >> That's what I was going to say. I thought All right. I thought that was in
Hyannis. Okay. >> No, it's right. >> Oh, really? Right on the line. >> On the line. Right over the line. >> Yeah. >> And uh >> and so and that and the other uh projects that we've been discussing, we've already discussed here. And uh
then on the on the town meeting warrant is the minor change to uh setback zoning sorry >> on Route 28. That is um to to enable
projects that are currently under development to change their their village code uh village center code setback to accommodate the fact that they might have land takings for the widening of
Route 28. >> So, it's a minor change, but that's going on the town meeting warrant. And I think that's the main those are the main things we've been >> you just piqu my uh my curiosity on the widening of 28 that had to do with the
sewer project or they >> No, that that's the state project that they've been talking about for several years. I um they're planning to widen 28 and add uh better pedestrian and bike
access and through the process Right. Yeah. Okay. That makes ring a bell. >> And some of them some this I think it's more on the south side of 28 that they really will be taking strips of land the like the easements in front and so if
someone's planning to build something and they set it back 20 feet then and then they're going to lose 15 they might want to change it. and it's going to be it's basically changing from uh variance
to special permit which is easier to get and that's that's all that's about. I think those are the main things that we've talked about in the last couple of meetings. >> Just to note that this is bondable but in hyenas there are a number of developments that going up right up to
the sidewalk and it's really unattractive. It really is. Right up to the sidewalk about two or three large constructions. >> Yeah. We talked we talked I saw one of them and it is it's like what uh >> and tall.
>> Yeah. I mean it's like it's like it's like park the green. It's just like straight up. You're like where did where did this come from? >> Yeah. >> It's kind of scary too. Uh >> and not a lot of affordable housing. Those are only like 10 or 11% affordable housing.
>> Really interesting. >> Yeah. And there's two or three of them, I think. >> That's their formbbased code. >> Yeah, >> that was their formbbased code. And then also, and that was downtown. >> And there's areas outside of that
formbbased code zone. Um that again they're they're allowing commercial uh areas to have mixed use, multif family, residential. >> Okay. So, but again, not a lot of um
>> not a lot of >> not not a not a right. So, th those are those inclusionary zoning >> units. Some, you know, >> some of them are there's there's like 10 units of affordable housing. So, I'm not involved. That's too big for our ready
renter program. Um but um yeah, it's what I can tell you is that Yarmouth got a shout out because um we um somebody said, "Gade, what's going on in Hyannis? Thank goodness that's not the architecture that the that Yarmouth is
going for." So >> yeah, I'm glad too. >> And I know it's not it's it's a different town and everything, but did did this the did did the citizenry approve that? Well, the council did. >> Okay. So, the so the people of the ar I
mean the people of hyena didn't have a choice in the the fact that that >> wall just went right up right on the sidewalk. Uh >> you're a communist. >> No, I'm actually not. I'm a capitalist. >> You believe in private property? >> I'm a I I am, but I'm also there's a
thing, you know, aesthetic beauty too at the same time. It's hideous. >> They have they have a town council as opposed to a select board. They have a different vote in 12 seat accusing him of being a >> I just any anytime it comes up I just remember the first time I saw it I
stopped in my tracks and said who would approve this >> the zoning was approved by a 12 member board that's their council >> are they elected by the people of the >> yes and after that it flipped
>> the council members flipped >> okay well it's it is not it's going back and forth >> and I'm look I want as much housing as possible but at the same time that was not >> it's just not >> and that's not delivering a lot of
affordable according to >> right and there was there was I had a lot of discussion um with council members who struggled with the percentage of affordable
um because I was really trying to promote at least at least 20%. You know what I mean? Affordable. And uh I >> just think sometimes when you solve one problem and then you create four other ones, it's it's just
not such a great idea. >> Yeah. So what's nice about town meeting in Yarmouth is that that kind of zoning would have had to gone before, >> you know, a body of at least 400 people. I think that's how much you guys usually
get. Yeah, I think so. >> Something like that. >> Yeah. So that you know what I mean that that's the that's the power of town meeting and that's you know people who live in more rural areas and plan in more I'm sorry urban areas right? They're always like oh town meeting
that's your obstacle to >> well as long as we're talking about you know the structure of governments. >> Felmouth has an interesting hybrid. They have a representative town meeting. Yeah. >> Where a few hundred people
>> are elected as town meeting members. >> So it's divided up into neighborhoods and each, you know, a small a whole like hundreds of neighbor little neighborhoods and each one of those little neighborhoods >> sends a rep to the town meeting.
>> Really? >> Yeah. So their town meeting has delegates, >> you know, and but it's still called the town meeting. >> I'm so happy that you said that. So I grew up in Framingham and my father was was a town meeting member. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Right. So and then he was on the ways
and me and so it was kind of a big deal. You know what I mean? So I remember when I came here and I I went upstairs I said how do I become a town meeting member? She goes well you just show up >> and what you just show up and vote. And I'm look I go no no like that can't be that easy.
>> Right. >> I said I don't have to run or anything or file P. She goes no you just show up. So I'm really intrigued by that Framingham Felmouth way of >> she had to say like five time you stupid you just show up buddy. >> Right. So Felmmet they couldn't get
there were votes about wastewater infrastructure they couldn't get past. >> So they actually changed town meeting from representative to town meeting member. >> Uhhuh. >> And everything's caught up. >> Intrigues me. And they're now they're
they're again coming up against that and they're thinking of going back to the old way. >> You Yeah. I mean, this is life, right? It's a struggle. >> Yeah. >> You can't say if you know >> one of these days there's not going to be any struggles anymore. Come on.
>> I think the best way is is the way Garmouth has it. Town meeting. You're registered to vote. you can go because you just never know what >> you know there might be a an item on town meeting that's really important to your neighborhood and your whole neighborhood should go
>> you know it's you know it ends up I think it ends up with the best product but anyway >> well that's interesting interesting theoretical debate >> mentioned that okay that's great >> yeah anyway uh where are we at now community preservation committee we were discussing it earlier >> we're meeting on Wednesday night and
we're talking about the articles they're going for the town meeting and we all get a sort of a list of a script like I'll present the housing. Last year we talked about changing it and then we all disagree. We wanted the way we've done it in the past. Well, most of us disagree
and um there might be a possibility I don't get back from Boston or up off Cape and if that case Drew they might ask you to present the housing but I should be back to do it and the articles are up in the board.
You just read them and if there any questions Bob Whitnau is there and people other people can answer the questions. >> When is town meeting? >> 28th 28th >> 28th. Okay. Yeah. And I'll be in Sus to the 27th. I should be back the 27th.
>> You're going to be in Sus, but you're not sure if you're going to make it back in time. >> I more than likely will. It depends on uh what goes on. I should be back on the 27th in the afternoon. >> Okay. >> I've been to Sus. I' I'd want to get back here as soon as possible.
>> Oh jeez. We have nothing against anybody's listening from summer town. >> I know getting there and getting home is a nightmare. >> Getting off this is lovely. >> Getting off Cape on a Friday to pick her up. We go to we go away for the weekend.
We come back on Sunday and FIA went home on Sunday be a piece usually be a piece of cake, but we're staying to do some other things. >> Okay. >> So, I will I will contact you. All right. >> I don't have access to the internet, but I'll take phone numbers with me.
>> Okay. >> Um and I'll put my number right now on your list. >> I'll make sure I do and um let people know. And you'll be at their meeting on Wednesday. >> Certainly. Absolutely. >> And that's when she gives us all a script. So, I'll just ask her to make sure you have a copy of the housing
script. >> Very likely that I will be back. >> I get it. I'm with you. I hear you. >> But this just in case. Just in case. >> Understood. Message received, Captain. >> And I saw, where was I the other day
that I talked to Oh, at that public hearing, I think it was I talked to um people and just said if there's an issue, so they decide to delegate you. >> They volunt you. >> They vol Yeah.
>> Well, I like a quicker way of doing things. If somebody's not at the meeting, >> they can volunteer to do something. Doesn't matter if you you you were sick. Doesn't matter. >> Poor Drew. >> I was sick. >> I wasn't.
>> I think I mean what are there four items and they're all up in the board. They give it to you in the hard copy. It's up in the board and hope and hope there are questions. There are other people that can answer it. >> The thing you just have to emphasize is like for homeless prevention council and
um the program is that the money that we get from the town go to the residents of Yamoth. Because people say, "Well, there, you know, blah blah blah." It goes to the town of Yamoth. So that's in your script and it should be in your script. If it isn't, you state that. >> It's the kind of thing where
>> for residents of >> where I I feel very like I'm very confident, you know, but then when I do it, I find that I'm shaking while I'm doing it. the so that we we've got this system right that the the members of the
CPC they they do the formal you know motion second read the read the warrant article the intent and then questions are answered by the applicant >> right
>> so so Bob Lton and Bob Written field the questions about the >> I've seen it all unfold at meeting about town meetings that I've I've been at Yeah, >> you just have to make sure at the new accommodations you can't sit further in against the wall that you can't get up
to speak. >> So, it's the design of the structure is different. I miss the old structure. >> Okay, >> we're going to tear that all down. So, anyway, that's that's my report. >> It's a good report. And the final report
is presumably from the Department of Community Development. >> Yep. So, I put in your packet um a housing bill got passed by the federal government. So, here is the >> um >> and I immediately and I looked through
it and I wondered if you had any insights. >> I have no insights. So, I was wondering if there was anybody that would be willing to call Marky's office or Warren's office or Keading's office to
get more details about this. Anybody would like to volunteer to do that? Myra, I was thinking about you. >> I think Myra has been ball and told
>> I don't do volunte. Um, what exactly are you um thinking of getting answers to? >> Right. So, they passed this 21st century road to housing act and I think um Senator Warren was active on it. So, I
was wondering if we could reach out if you could reach out to the aid the aids of her office and ask um if there's um you know any for more details and what as a town we can do to access these things.
>> Um >> okay, >> there was something like where a CDBG >> uh entitlement. So, there's something in here where they're going to remove that restriction. You can't use community development block grant money on new
housing. >> Okay. >> Why don't is it possible for you and me to get together and uh talk about this? >> Yeah, that'd be great. >> You wouldn't wouldn't speak like later this week. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right.
>> I'll get I'll I'll get in touch with you, but um yeah, I think I need to, >> you know, get a little more information before I ask for more information. >> We have an opportunity zone in town. So section like for example section 202 increasing housing in opportunity zones. We have an opportunity zone
>> and that's that's the laundry mat property. >> Um >> you know >> don't they have to post this someplace where the where the where the law or the ordinance or whatever you want to call it is >> probably on their website >> register I imagine
>> fully fleshed out so you can look at it. >> Yes. So that's pretty intense. >> Yeah. to read all of that. But >> right, >> Warren's office, I think, worked on this bill. >> You know, I I don't want to miss an
opportunity for us to get some money. >> Um, and if there's any um there's anything we can apply to now, you know, we should try to get that going before other people,
>> you know. >> Okay. this week. Mary, this week. >> Awesome. Thank you, Myra. >> Another question regarding this, Mary, real quick. >> Um, I forget the name of the company now. Uh, we were they were doing a lot of work with us. Uh, was there the woman,
um, Alisa? No. Um, they were working with on the on the Muk stuff and they seem to have all this information. What's the name of that company? Um, >> ESC. >> No, no, the ones before them. It's named after the founders, the woman who runs
its name. Um, >> you stumping me. >> Yeah. Remember they refer? Yeah, they were in a bunch of our meetings. Um, they ran them. They with the Legos, remember? >> Oh. Oh. Uh, Barrett Barrett Barrett planning. >> Would would they have more in-depth information on this as part of the um
Cape Cod? Uh um >> I can ask but I did ask um so anyways we have a regional housing office right and we had a state bond bill for housing the affordable homes act
and right I they were always asking well what what should our regional office be doing and I'm like well tell us how to get this money >> would they would they know the regional office >> crickets >> so I'm kind of like I I think Myra and and
myself would might do um a better job, a more focused job. It would be nice if the regional office would figure this out, but it's been over a year I've been asking for the state um the state an analysis on the affordable
homes act like this was it was a five billion was it a five billion $19 billion housing bond bill? We haven't seen one penny. Where is that money going? You know, and why aren't we being offered to
apply for some of that money? I don't know. >> Do they do they offer for you to offer? >> So, what you do is what they do is they put out notifications of find of funding, >> you know, it's it's procurement >> opportunities. Yeah.
>> Right. And I have not received anything. I was going to say HUD doesn't call you and go, "Hey, guess what? We got all this money. Here's how to apply." You have to f We have to find out on our own how to go about it, >> right? Usually I find out through my HUD rep. >> Okay. All right.
>> It's going on. Yeah. Um but >> Oh, HUD does let us know. >> Yeah. But we're an entitlement community. So, um >> that's changing policy on the reg, you know, really changing a lot of policy. >> Yeah. I have no idea what's going on
with the continuum of care. At first it was going to re be really really severely decimated and I think um there was some challenges to that. >> There was a huge push back. Um the continuum of care that's that's the
major program that addresses homelessness in the country. Um, so if you lose that funding, um, >> you got a lot of people, >> there's just not enough churches and and local agencies and local funding to counteract that. It just it just would never happen. You
>> providing Cape Cod, I don't know how many I can't tell you the number of beds or units. >> I could look it up easily of um um supportive housing for people who were formerly homeless. And to lose any of that would be really
severe, really serious. Yeah. So there was a lot of push back and I was um involved in that for over close to 25 years and this is the first year I said enough. I'm done. Last year I said that's it. I'm not
doing this anymore. >> And then the last thing in your packet is the map from Dera. I just want to make sure everybody had that. >> I've got it. >> Oh, I don't see your map. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Does that is like if we ever get into
regulations or any type of zoning for short-term rentals and stuff, you can see the concentration of seasonal housing. >> Um, we could do areas in town, not do the whole town. So,
>> and it explains why we get most of the comments about Airbnbs from from the neighborhood associations in West Yarmouth and South Y because that's where >> the concentration is. >> That was so enlightening. Thank you. >> It was really fun to figure it out. I
should learn some more of the newer software since I've been doing then I wouldn't have to be handwriting all the numbers if I but uh this was part of what I wanted to understand better this effort to be declared a
seasonal community and that was another thing on the planning board that we were scheduled to present it to the select board and discuss the possibility ility of putting it on the current town meeting warrant, but the planning board
and then the select board as well. We all felt it should be the decision should be postponed till the next town meeting, >> right? >> Because there are questions that aren't really answered by the state uh the the
documents defining the pros and cons of seasonal communities. So, >> so we have not determined whether we are a seasonal community or not. We're going to let the people do that at time. That's correct. But not this year, next year. >> This the state has
>> allowed all Cape Towns to apply but or to say, you know, we're eligible, but it is subject to town meeting and or whatever form of government the towns have. So you so you >> houses with wheels is the >> you adopt you adopt the seasonal
community designation at town meeting, right? And then I think you have 24 months, >> right, >> to comply with the program and some of that includes zoning changes. >> So that houses on wheels on wheels.
>> So there w So uh the Cape Cod Commission convened the the planners on the Cape. >> Yeah. And it was a great conversation because the the staff person, God love him, Matthew, >> the state only had one staff person at
this meeting and there was like all the town planners from the Cape, right? And they were peppering him with all sorts of questions like, you know, on the Cape this is what it's going to mean. Is that really what you meant? And so they did they got clarification that you can
prohibit tiny homes on whales by zoning. So that so I think that's going to the other one is the uh tiny lots right and there's a real problem with um some of the wording that the state has
adopted in their regulations and they really needed the comments from those the experienced town planners down here on because we do a lot of our building and planning stuff on lots other other places are past that, right?
But we still have lots. >> And um yeah, it's the they they the town planners want to know if this allows the creation of new tiny lots. >> And at first the staff person was like,
"No, the intent is to use existing tiny lots." But when you start to study the exact language, it needs to be tightened up. I don't know what the definition of tiny is for this purpose. >> Unbuildable lot. >> Unbuildable. >> So, could you create under under
seasonal communities? If you were a season seasonal community, could you adopt zoning that would allow you to create unbuildable lots to be seasonal communities, buildable lots? >> Okay. and the local planners down here
were like, um, that's that would that could go off the rails quickly. >> That's what I'm sitting here thinking right now. Yeah. >> The intent I think the intent was if there was an unbuildable existing unbuildable lot >> that you could then use it under the
paradigm of seasonal communities, but you couldn't create it like you couldn't take your lot and split a little piece off. So they're they're working that out. And I think with the group of town planners here on the Cape, they will they will
figure that out so that it doesn't it's not a detriment to the town. >> Some towns like Dennis have some really tiny lots. >> Yep. >> Really really tiny. I lived in the cottage in one of them that should have been torn down. >> Dennis and I and then I think right after that is Yarmouth because we still
allow quarter acre zoning. >> By the way, I'm talking about a tenth of an acre. I'm talking about really tiny. >> Yeah. >> Probably some 5,000 >> square foot lots here. >> Really? >> Yep. >> Yeah. That it's too small. It's >> Oh, yeah. >> It's too small.
>> Um but anyways, that's Yeah. So fingers crossed because that might allow us to zone areas that if you build in this area, you have to um the units you're creating are year- round housing.
>> See, that's the big >> I think tiny houses are a fad anyway. I think it's just it's >> well we have >> going to outgrow it like you oh this is really cool and everything but then you're going to outgrow it. It's you know uh >> because what do we do as as c
capitalists? We buy stuff, right? >> Well, so >> Drew went right over Drew's head. >> I don't know. I don't know if um if Lee was on the committee when >> the motel units were being used as year- round housing. >> And you're like, "Yeah, okay. This is
400 square feet." >> Yeah. >> This is like you you you walk into it and you're like, "This is too small to live in." Like you can just >> That's when it's vacant. You you put a chair in it and you can't put anything else in it, >> right? So, so these tiny these tiny
homes, they can be as small. Yeah, they have the clever, you know, pull down and the and the stairs, the stairs that are really drawers and like you can be very clever, >> but you know, you like where are you going to put your beach chair? So, um
anyways, >> we'll see. >> It's very cleverly folded up to a tiny size. Did you ever see any old WC Fields movies where he's struggling to unfurl everything? >> Check it out.
>> Actually, I know who he is. >> Didn't he say a sucker's born every minute? Right. >> And next time you're surfing, right, go on to Amazon and and put in shed homes. >> You can buy kits. >> Yeah.
>> And it's like a shed that's also a home. And just think about that coming our way. Just just think about it. You know, >> my first year in Province Town, I lived in the converted shed, >> a shed. >> I lived in the converted shed and then I moved up to the an apartment in the main
house. >> I was at a affordable housing meeting, not in this town, but in another town. And somebody was like, "How about car those cargo container >> houses?" And I almost fell off my chair. I'm like, "No." But >> I was saying people put a stack of them together and make housing out of that.
Right. That's like this thing and I'm like >> anyways >> I live in a quarter of an acre because >> no and you but you are on a cluster subdivision. So So cluster subdivision is different.
>> The lots are small but all the land around you is open space. >> So even though your lot is small, it doesn't feel high density because you have all this beautiful open space. >> And I hear people complain about that. I forget what committee I was in, but they said, "We should never have left all
that open space." And I said, "Really?" Yeah. I was supposed to be back to back with neighbors. There's big a lot of space all behind me and and around me. And then there's housing on the next street over that you can almost see, but not quite. They have half an acre.
>> Yeah. And that's good for our water. You know what I mean? Those cluster subdivisions, they there's so many benefits. It's good for the animals and the water. We've left trees up. >> Yeah. So, you know, >> except the people way behind me shout shoot off fireworks
>> and I'm always waiting for a fires down in the woods. >> I'm having an urge to wrap up the meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> There's nothing more in the agenda except to uh announce that our next meetings will be on May 11th and then
June 8th at 3 p.m. >> I make a motion to adjourn. >> I second that. Uh Myra >> I >> Palm >> I >> Greg >> I >> I um
>> awesome >> meeting adjourned >> recording stopped.