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Okay, ready to go. >> Recording in progress. >> Recognizing a quorum, the chair opens the July 13, 2026 meeting of the community housing committee. Um, do a roll call to see who's present today.

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Uh, Pal >> here. >> Myra >> here. Drew >> here. >> John here. Lee >> here. >> Here. >> Okay. Um, first order of business, we have two sets of meeting minutes.

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Um, everybody had a chance to um review them. I'm okay with them. >> I did have one question about the main minutes. I printed it up and now I can't find it.

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May the May uh yes the May I think on page four and my report it should say that the um that we presented our four warrants to the town meeting

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and they were all approved. It should just add that they were all approved. >> Okay, >> that's it. >> All right. >> And I think on the April 13th minutes, one trivial thing I notice the under new

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business paragraph. Uh it's 703, not 702. >> I'm sorry. Uh so that was on April 13th. >> Yeah. The um new business second page

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price >> 703 >> 28 >> 28 and then we had >> 703. Okay. >> We had page four1. >> We're under >> community preservation committee. We

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have to be reported that the committee presentation committee presented their four walls for the town meeting which were all approved. >> Okay. >> And then semicolon new applications have been released have been released.

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>> Okay. Can I get a motion to I move we approve these two sets of minutes as they've been corrected just now. >> Second. Roll call. Uh, Palm.

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>> Hi, >> Ira. >> Hi. >> Okay. Okay. Old business, uh, Woodro, Habitat for Humanity neighborhood, uh, 1121

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Route 28 South. Comments received by the zoning board of appeals. So um there were three letters from uh neighbors, three memos from entities from the town and then uh Myra saw that

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uh there were minutes available so I gave those to you too. So I think that the the three the three uh written comments from the neighbors, you know, they asked for the entrance way to be moved to Route 28, >> right?

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um that a sidewalk be put in on Wood Road. So, I think the sidewalk is definitely beyond the scope of the of the project and that um you know there's an initiative in town to close down curb

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cuts on Route 28. So, I I I don't think the uh the town will go in that direction. No, they won't go in the direction of having >> it. Also, doesn't it limit the the possible opportunity of having an

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additional house there? It's a dental office. >> That could Yep. >> That could and I think it'd be get pretty messy if um uh you know they shared that driveway with the commercial space because then

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you're talking about easement and so I think that it might um stay the way it is. I mean, comments from other boards and staff kind of liked the Wood Road entrance way because it makes it feel like it's on the

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residential side of the property. So, we'll see what the ZBA says, but I my call is that entrance way is going to stay as is. >> But the ZBA excuse me, the ZBA didn't address any of those concerns. at least a concern that they

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would like to have a death and that would be one >> that really didn't bubble up to the top. I mean, they, you know, they they had this for a little bit longer and that might bubble up to the top. Um, I'm hoping to be there that night, you know, to say in August where they would like

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these the particular issues to address. There was one person that showed up that had not submitted a letter, >> right? And I think that they kind of had the same thoughts. >> Yeah. leathers and um um and and again

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kind of got to the point where I was like, well, I want it to look nice. >> So, I think that's you're going to see the majority of the comments um and work on this is going to be about making it look as nice as possible. For example,

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there was some talk about requiring irrigation. >> Right. >> Right. >> Because with that kind of a lawn, they don't want it to be burnt out. tangling all four sides of the sheds and things like that. >> Yeah. So, I think there might be little things like >> although nobody can water any anymore

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anyway, >> right? >> They're really tiny, really small lawns. >> They are. >> I don't have an irrigation system and I don't care about my lawn. >> Um >> Well, but hopefully they'll be able to

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keep a number of trees in there as well. That'll help. >> That was a really good concept. >> Talked about trees. We yeah remember at the site visit we had talked about the meeting >> and they talked about it at the meeting too. I was there at that meeting. Yeah. They talked about how many trees can you preserve? What about this tree here? And

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they had specifics like well that one's going to be hard to preserve because of this this and this. So they really did thinking about it. Yeah. >> And I think they might bring more materials about that. >> Yeah. They found that they couldn't um they had trouble um

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afterwards I found out they had trouble uh hooking up to our internet in here. >> Oh >> yeah. So they had some stuff with them electronically and they were like oh >> they didn't want to stop the process you know say oh we don't have into that but

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um they had some answers to things that they'll that they'll get to the board in the meantime. So they actually the list of [snorts] uh the following are from the petitioners the requests that they made. Is that accurate? >> Are you looking at the minutes? >> I'm looking at the minutes from the uh

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>> the minutes were like very interesting. So yeah, >> the format is kind of cool, huh? >> Yeah. And on page two there there these are the questions in bold that >> Yep. >> were asked by the um the members of the ZBA. So I think it's very easy to kind

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of follow. Has anybody seen a copy of the traffic study? >> I think that was something that was pending. >> Okay. I'm just interesting uh interested because the it's it's all based on trips per

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day. >> Yes. And >> you mean the the traffic going in and out of the new development? >> It's traffic on Wood Road, I would imagine, that they're that the traffic study is addressing. And and >> yes, that was part of it. That's that's printed out. that exists. I did see it.

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> I'd just be curious because I don't think that the increase of these six houses is going to a lot of people cut through that road >> because I I do it a lot because I cut through over to Old Main Street and in

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the Bass River. But um >> yes, that study is part of the material that we're online about how many um >> I can I can find it somewhere myself. Yeah, >> we're totally generated in in the trips per day coming from this this specific

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50 trips per day something along in that order >> from this site or from total on the road. >> No, I think >> from the six houses okay in and out. >> I don't think they did like a huge study

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of the traffic road. They just they just said how many more cards >> what would be added >> come from then that number is meaningless is it >> I know what you mean because it doesn't

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have that >> I mean unless you're comparing it to the overall traffic on Wood Road. It would seem to me that the that 50 trips per day is for six units. You're okay. Eight trips per household per day on in and

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out of the property. >> That's excessive. >> I think that's excessive. I think that's very high. Eight trips a day. >> So, I'm just going by my memory. It was on the order of that. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm looking >> with variations for weekends and weekdays, you know.

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Well, we have our status status. >> I was actually going to say I don't think the traffic on that road is very heavy from my observation of it like you. I do it a lot. >> Well, that's just the thing. We don't have a study. >> The study. >> We're just saying stuff. Yeah. Um, I did

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happen to rent one of the addresses one year for the one of the people that complained about and I found a very convenient location to walk up through the um the dental office parking lot to get up to Route 28. And so I did a in

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the one week that I was there, I walked a bit and I don't remember it probably wasn't in the summer. I don't remember what the reason I was there was, but there are no sidewalks since there are no sidewalks. And I think I think the sidewalks are a

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really good idea, but obviously it isn't possible. >> Yeah. How do you get a sidewalk built? >> Yeah, >> it would have to be the town building it not. >> Right. >> That's an interesting idea. I don't think it's a bad idea. >> Is excessive.

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>> I'm going to drive that way on the way home because um It seems to me that those houses are pretty close to the street. >> They are. Yeah. >> And to put a sidewalk to to Well, first of all, you have to have a buffer from the street to a sidewalk. And then the

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sidewalk being four four feet wide probably at the minimum. >> Um, it seems to me you might be right up to pretty close to the front doors. >> So, I found the traffic summary, >> which I'm going to try to print out.

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Let's see if that works. Um, let's see if that works. So, um, so I I sometimes go that way at lunch to go down to, um, the beach or, you know,

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or the windmill. >> And I find that intersection to be extremely the the Route 28 intersection with Wood Road. >> Terrible. >> No. Old Main Street with Wood Road, you're thinking, right? >> No. um from from where Wood Road crosses

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at an angle and it's extremely dangerous. >> I just I just came that way in. >> Right. So I find that I if if I wanted a cut through, I would not choose that way. >> That's how I feel, too. >> No, I cut through going the other way. Yeah. >> From from

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>> That's 28 Old Main Street. >> Yeah. That's easier coming back. Yeah. Coming >> from Town Hall over to that way. It's for some reason. And um Oh, right. Cuz then 28 has these goes to like three lanes. Yeah.

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>> And I think that everybody's confused like who's supposed to go and it is. >> [clears throat] >> Let me let me run and see if it >> and if you think about it, eight trips per house doesn't seem excessive. If it

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is like say you've got a family of four with two people commuting to work and two kids going to school and after school activities, I think you could be in and out a lot. >> But it was a lot. So >> So I don't I think it sounds pretty

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reasonable for because they're two and three bedroom. most of them. >> Yeah. And if you had two cars and two different jobs, that's four trips a day, right? Not doing anything. >> So, you're saying it's meaningless unless they have a baseline of how much

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traffic is there. >> Again, let me Yeah. When when you're saying eight, you know, 50 trips per day or whatever. Well, there might be 800 trips per day on that road any at any rate. Yeah. >> Let me just clarify. There is not an

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entrance to Wood Road in that and off of 28. Correct. >> You can get to Wood Road from 28. If you're if you're going >> if you go across from the town hall, you can go you can go right across and go into Big Road 28. Uh you're not supposed

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to, but when you're coming from 28, if you're coming from um Shaw, say >> yeah. >> Uh going um east on 28, there's you can you take a right and you're you're on Wood Road over to Old Main Street.

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>> So they want to avoid traffic in their community. They want the tenants, the new residents to go off and on Highway 28. That's a that's a non-starter. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, it didn't print out. So, um

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the trip generation weekday daily is 56. >> Okay. >> But it doesn't say on the whole day weekday. >> It doesn't say how many trips per day are on on Wood Road now.

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>> No. No, it it it doesn't. That would that would be extremely expensive. Yeah, that would be >> Well, no. You put you put a wire across the road and cars drive over it and >> Right. >> It's cheap when you put it that way. >> Yeah. It's

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>> You could hire me to sit there $50 an hour counting cars. So, >> yeah. >> And then and then same for a week for Saturday daily 56. Sunday daily 50. Um, so peak hours the the peak hour

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would be six extra trips out of that. I mean that's on to wood, >> but it doesn't even say like are they taking a right or a left? >> Yeah. >> So I think they just did that to

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>> they're not really required to do this piece because it's a comprehensive permit. But um they do that just to be >> well I I think it's pretty hard to to use that as any sort of measure of

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whether much traffic. >> Right. But I'll I'll email that to you. >> Thanks. >> Good memory. Drew >> Drew >> a mind that's like a steel trap. >> I hate to brag but

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>> um Yeah. And so um then um so the habitat said yes to the condition. >> Um >> have they required the tenants be required to install? >> No. Habitat will be required to install irrigation. >> I don't think it's necessary, but

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>> but tiny loss if you know when you listen to you know how important this area is for Route 28. Maybe >> um >> just just to be mindful habitat use to make sure that people understand that they have to drain the irrigation system

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at the end of the season. Okay. >> I sat in a workshop with a woman who would just bought a house and didn't know any of that. Didn't even know she had an irrigation system. >> Oh. >> And didn't know she was supposed to drain any pipes and it was a big big deal. >> Well, that would be part of the

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association. that was, you know, I could feel that they were kind of going in that direction that maybe that's something that the association would pay for. Um, they'd charge it, but that way they would get a price a price systems >> and then they wouldn't be able to turn

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it on like we have irrigation system. They haven't turned it on yet on somebody, turn it on, drain it. >> They did say that they use a Cape Cod mix with clover. A lot of clover. >> Good. Oh, good. >> So, they they find Right.

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>> does hold up better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um and then I think uh they might talk a little bit more more about solar, but I um we'll see. >> I thought Habitat was a little bit in

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solar and most of the new constructions. >> They do. So, um I forget if I saw something in the packet about solar, but the chair of the ZBA brought it up. >> Yeah, the chair uh made a point of saying, "Me personally, I have a I personally have a problem

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because I don't like the way it looks." >> Yeah. >> And he said, "People look at me like I have three heads." I recall. He was being open about it. And so it was kind of a odd thing, but I think they'll come back with more talk about solar. >> They wanted to to figure out which side

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of the house. >> Yeah. >> They didn't want to say anything until they knew which side of the house. There's a lot of roof or orientation differences in there that will have to be whether solar will be that effective. >> That's a good point. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I could tell they were they hadn't decided that. They decided that later, but they said that the projects that have it have the solar on it that those those households have better financial stability in that years. >> Oh, sure. They're probably even making a

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little bit of money at the end of the year. seven. >> So, um and then they also wanted both onebedroom units, the ZBA I talked about having both onebedroom units have that um new model area architecture.

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>> So, that might be a change. >> Yes. >> The onebedroom that's along Route 28 is a new design. >> Yeah. They made a point of saying we really like that. really like that. We like it on the other one, too. >> So, there might be some slight changes.

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Um, >> they really haven't a lot to say. They neighbors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then the sheds is a requirement of our affordable housing program. >> So, I was dying because I was on Zoom and I'm like, do I bust in or do I? So,

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um, >> not too in that in that case, I think. So, I was going to um the trust meets on the 21st. So, I was going to see if they wanted to make sure that >> the ZBA knew that that was the actual

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requirement of their agreement was to have sheds. And we learned that from Lee. >> Um >> I think that came up. I think Habitat mentioned that during the meeting. >> Lee, a long time ago, we were we were reviewing something and you were saying,

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"Oh, it's got to have a shed. It's got to have a shed so that the yard is nice and tidy. >> Yeah. >> And um Yeah, that's really that's been our life policy. >> I have cops of bees and eat my shingles in my shed. >> So I have this little trap I hang up and

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I kill the cop and the bees. They get in it and they can't get out. >> I do think that that came up in the meeting that no, we have to we had to provide a shed. And here's why we put the shed here rather than there because it's such a small yard and we thought it would be better to do this. They were

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explaining exactly why they >> because they expect to have kids running around the back. >> Ched's making a a big difference in terms of if you don't have any place, there's going to be bicycles leaning against the building. >> Yeah. >> Do they have basements? Do these houses

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have basement? >> Yes. >> Yes, they do. Yes, that's a definite yes. >> The separate is that the word? >> I think it's a bulkhead. >> I think it has a bulkhead. My whole neighborhood was built with bless bulkheads. >> Yeah.

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>> And the prior owners created an entrance from outside, but the stairs are all falling apart, so it's not safe anymore. But >> yeah, >> here in the neighborhood, they had an entrance from outside. >> Does that sound good that >> it seemed like a positive meeting to me?

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I wanted to mention something since I was there is that the one neighbor that came in person to make comments. Uh >> the habitat people were talking to him very intensively after the meeting like you know working with him like it seemed

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very positive to me you know >> the way they were deal talking with him you know. >> Yeah. >> And he had a he had a just seemed like a good attitude at least at that meeting. Well, they had a great feel. Yeah. And they had a

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they they gave me a good feeling. Yeah. >> Yes. I mean, how many how many do you have any idea how many residences they built on the tape? >> It's probably 70. >> I think they said something on the order, now this is my memory again, which isn't that great, but it was something on the order of 200.

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>> I was going to say over 200. I think it was over 200. They did. >> They always have different projects in in the works. Well, they're it seems like they're going quicker now, too, because they're doing these projects where there are four or five or six houses in a >> Y. Yeah, most of them have been a lot of

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like the building a friend of mine. >> So, that was kind of fun to see. >> Okay. Um, new business seasonal communities. So, um, we talked a little bit back in,

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I don't know, months ago about seasonal communities and it kind of went to the planning board and the planning board looked and the town planner looked very carefully at the impacts on zoning. So, I I did I I hate to put you on the

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spot, but when we keep talking about it at the planning board and they seem to have resolved, Kathy has had discussions with the folks at the state

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office and they are not requiring um that movable tiny houses be allowed. So that takes away that worry that was the issue and the two zoning requirements do do not seem to be too um

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they seem to fit right into the current zoning. Um like We do have we do allow small lots by the definition of the seasonal communities uh program but it's not uh it's totally

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a select board decision the planning board and nobody else has to approve it I believe >> for a small what >> uh for the whether we become a seasonal community >> and um but like I say Kathy's been looking really into those two zoning

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requirements those are the only things that are actually required Um and then but it does give certain options that you would know more about. I mean it sounds like some of them are really good.

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>> So if we comply with the minimum zoning that they're looking for, right, which is to allow county homes and small lot construction, which we're almost there of our ADU by law and we have affordable

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lots by law. You'd have to You'd have to increase it a little bit. You'd have to modify it a little bit, but those two really haven't those our existing bylaws on ADUs and affordable lots where you can build an affordable unit on an

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undersized lot, right? >> Yeah. >> They really haven't generated many units. >> Really, it hasn't. >> Who who do you if if you're proposing a small uh to build on a small lot, do you go to the CBA?

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I I don't think so. I think it's by right. >> Okay. >> But it has to be restricted >> affordable. >> Yeah. >> So, nobody has really gone forward with it. We almost had one. We almost had one and it was, you know, a a a large

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extended family. There was somebody in the family that needed a home. So, they were all going to pitch in and build a house. >> And so, if you read the bylaw, there's an exception that says that it has to affordable except if you sell it to or

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rent it to somebody in your family like one. Yeah. So, and then we got into this big discussion about how do you define family? But whatever. Um, you know, but but we almost did. It was, you know, these parents, they almost built

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something on the lot that they owned for their daughter, >> but it never, >> there were plans and everything, but it never happened. And then after that person is ready to move on or sell that, then it has to be sold affordably. >> Okay.

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>> It would have to be sold with a lottery and all of that. >> Does it have to be sold? Could it be rented? >> It could be rented. If you own a small lot that's unbuildable, you can build affordable housing on there. You can sell it or rent it, right? But you it

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but it's the only like you have to do it by lottery unless you're selling or renting to somebody in your family. So we decided that even cousins, >> right? It gets restricted. >> Yeah. >> And then when it eventually is going to transfer ownership and then it would

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have to comply with the whole but the whole point is to get housing that's high quality that's serving low moderate. I mean it had to go to some a household member who was low moderate income. So, so they there's great potential that

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those two things slightly modified would be okay. Um, and so the benefits are you can adopt zoning that would require yearround uh destrictions.

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So you you could have like overlays like you know where your density is a little bit higher or you're allowing duplexes by right or something like that. um but they have to be used year round. >> So affordable housing has to be used year round, right? But it has an income

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limit. The Cape is seeing a need for housing, yearround housing that's not, you know, income restricted. So that would open up that door. >> And their new definition, which I think

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is real part of that, is in addition to affordable housing to push attainable housing. So that brings the uh opportunity to up as high as 250% of area median need.

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>> So that's a that's a word attainable that means that >> that's what they're using. Now you can start to restrict things year round at a different income >> level. um which is going to be a ch that's been a challenge in court because all that

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affordable this is why I've always wanted to stick with just the 80% AMI. >> Yes. >> Because all that stuff has already been to court. It's all been vetted. It's all >> So explain this explain this 250% to me. So, you could have you could have um

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let's say you could have a requirement in your zoning or benefit in your zoning where you would allow higher density. This is just a an example. >> Okay? You could allow higher density um

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in certain areas, but you what you're requiring in in exchange is that those units are all used year round. >> Okay. >> With a certain income limit up to 250%

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area median income >> or lower if the town makes it. >> Right now we're at 80. We choose 80% just% is a big jump, >> right? There's a lot of professionals that, you know, can't find housing down here because

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30% basically on average the whole cave 30% of our housing stock is only used seasonally. So even if you have two professional in the household who are working full-time at a good pay, they still can't find any place

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to buy. So, we can't keep doctors and lawyers and engineers down here. We just can't. Um, and anybody can, you know, >> we can't recruit them. >> You can't recruit them. You can't. So, this is this is and it's more dramatic as you go out towards Ptown because

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those percentages are more than 30%. Like Ptown is 60% of their housing units. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 60%. I mean, so >> those out towns are And when I, as you know, the chart I made that when you

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break this town down, the um couple of neighborhoods along the south side are 60% 50 to 60% seasonal. There just aren't very many year round houses there. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that would be a benefit.

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Um there's that. There's a little bit of money. Um right, there's planning money. It's not a lot, but >> [clears throat] >> 5,000 in that ballpark each year. >> Um and then we do suspect that you know

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those onetop applications. >> Yeah. >> So we do suspect that someday that will be if you're a seasonal community you'll get extra points on those grants. >> Okay. So, um, how is it?

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>> Well, it seems like the the planning and zoning end of this has kind of gotten ironed out >> pretty much. I I don't know. I'd have to talk to Kathy. You know, it keeps changing from week to week. And we're having another meeting this week, so I'll probably learn more. But I was

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curious about a very t I don't know if if you are you probably are very up on the new federal housing bill that is just uh taking effect apparently and there's this weird little thing I

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noticed in it that they are changing a requirement of uh defining mobile mobile homes. Is it manufactured homes or >> manufactured home? Manufactured homes. So they are taking away the requirement

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that it be built with a chassis. >> Does that mean what when I read it I thought does that mean that they're no longer movable so that we couldn't then prevent them? >> Well, I don't know. Myra, what do you think

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about that? Yeah, the really when they talk about manufactured housing, a lot of it is mobile mobile homes. >> So, back in the day when you talked about manufactured homes, you were talking about mobile homes. >> Yeah. >> Now there's this newer product. >> Yeah. Modular.

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>> It's modular. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, I think they're opening the door for that. Um, yeah, but it is a different thing. One of the uh areas I used to put in my in my books was the number of manufactured homes. And that's

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when I learned that the definition really is mobile homes that are set permanently in place. And it isn't modular homes as as defined by a lot of these >> right definitions. Anyway, that started

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me thinking about it. Right. And um so so >> the newer development in Mash Commons was all modular. >> Yeah. >> That all came in pre fab and was put together like a Lego kit. >> Cool.

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>> They had like they the newspaper kept like taking pictures. The ones they're doing now are stick built. >> But the ones that they they did on Market Street for the last expansion, that was module. Um and then um we had

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uh Yarmouth Commons was almost partially modular, but they um they bid it out both ways, >> you know, and it it just came under stick built was was cheaper, so they did stick built. So, it's it's getting there

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because when when those prefabbed homes first went out on the market, they weren't allowed per uh building code here in Massachusetts. And so Massachusetts had to change its building code >> to allow it. And all of a sudden they were allowed. So

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>> there's some very high-end projects that are modular. >> Yeah. >> So um >> how does the word manufactured fit in with modular prefab and >> I'm throwing them all in there together. But the they're higher quality.

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>> Definitely. >> The mobile homes that like my uncle Leo lived in in Florida like 50 years ago, right? recent past, you know, rest your God rest your soul. But, you know, that was not what we're talking about today. >> But, but they do still refer to that as

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manufactured housing as in the statistics that I discovered. And so, I'm worried about this new uh description of the national. Yeah. >> Yeah. Interesting. >> But back to the seasonal communities, another thing that interests me in that

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uh what's allowed are the um residential tax exemptions that are allowed as as as they are. We don't have it in this town. Correct. >> Yet does not have does not adopt your residential tax >> and the seasonal communities would if

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you would would allow you to make it up to 50% whereas the state regular law is 35%. >> And I I'm all for that. I I we did have that in DC that if you were a year round resident, you got a cut on your property

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taxes and I think that >> it was shifted it was shifted to the >> other people to the season. >> Uh I just learned about this recently. I'm glad you brought it up because it strikes me as a idea worth pursuing. Yeah, >> I really think it it is.

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>> You'd need a a public support to make it happen. It's really it's it's good to bring that on when you see that you have some overrides and debt exclusions coming up. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Because it offsets it offsets those um

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if you do it right. So you know your phase one in Yarmouth for sewering right is funded by Mad. So any new growth on Route 28 that that tax generation is supposed to pay. >> You're not going to have that opportunity everywhere you go. So you

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might want to study up on the residential tax exemption. >> Yeah. >> So yeah. So um so I'm going to bring it to the trust as well. This kind of a topic. >> Um I might not get on the warrant

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[snorts] this. >> So where >> round maybe the next round >> where's it go from here? >> The first thing you do is you have a warrant article. Y >> that says you're going to adopt it. >> And then I think you have I don't know

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24 months. >> 24 months. Yeah. >> To get your zoning in place and everything you have to do in place. Um and then you're a seasonal community and can adopt those other things. >> Okay.

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>> Um but the money that technical assistance fund is available now. It has to go to the select board and get approved to be put on the >> warrant warrant. Yeah. >> And there's a there's a draft article just hovering.

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>> Yeah. And uh we might be we might be really busy with other things. So >> yeah, >> you know what I mean with Route 28 and all of that. So um and the trust is very busy. So um we'll see. And the other

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thing is um sometimes it's nice if other towns first. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's not a bad idea. >> I I pulled up this I think it's from this is a state thing about the Cape and I see that the the outer Cape all have

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joined. >> Yes. >> And all the way up to except not Hollage uh but all the all the way through but the rest of us except family have not yet joined. So, >> right. >> And they were the the outer cape ones

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were the ones that got it automatically. >> Right. Right. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. There was a question whether we qualified. >> Yeah. >> You still have to do a a warrant article. >> Yeah. >> You still have to do that. >> They got the they got the permission to

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do that automatically. >> You get permission automatically. Then it's up to you. >> Representative Kip Digs passed that law. I got that pass to include >> Yarmouth and I think everybody on the cape now. >> Everybody on the Cape.

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>> So, um we'll see. So, stay tuned. >> Okay. Uh reports and actions. Uh chair's report. I don't have anything. Home consortium. Greg's not here. Anybody

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have anything? >> I I don't. Okay. Uh, Yarmouth Housing Authority. Well, as you know, John, we meet tomorrow at 5:15. >> It's a public meeting. All are welcome. See how many people can sit in the room. >> Yep.

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>> Probably eight. [laughter] And uh the uh uh RFP we learned has been approved by the HLC. That's the RFP for the Forest Road.

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>> Yeah, >> that's our one and only RFP >> that's been approved by HLC and uh uh I think we have to get a communication back from

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Anyway, Wendy is going to issue it pretty darn quick here. And did do you ever update this committee on the changes? >> Oh, no. I up I did update uh I did

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communicate with the town administrator and show him what it is. Um but the the two key changes I think there's two key changes to make. One is that all the land that's not built upon which we refer to as surplus land in the RFP

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uh we want must be put into conservation trust for all time. That's an innovation that we came up with. And the other thing was we formally said that uh secondary

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innovative and alternative an innovative and alternative secondary treatment system for uh the waste water is uh mandatory. I think those are the two main changes right John

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>> and the IA system removes more nutrients >> correct >> than a regular >> right >> system. >> That's right. And There there is still some um >> [snorts] >> uh economically there's some question about

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what changes will be made proposed changes would be made to the buildings themselves. Whether you try and do bigger buildings for more economical scale of buildings or whether they remain as sort of separate you know

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three or four separate buildings. So that will probably be um proposed by the developer, whoever answers the RFP. >> Thinking about that, we're we're going on the assumption that

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considerably less than half of the total of 19 acres will be developed when all is said and done. >> Save some trees. That will be good. >> Yeah, save a lot of trees. I think the conservation land thing is a

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big is a big deal and you know at least assuage some of the concerns that people have about that wouldn't have happened you know what I mean without all these meetings so good affordable rentals correct

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units to the unit >> up to 90. 90 is our goal. 90 bedrooms, excuse me, not units. Units is the wrong word. But our goal, the uh idea is 90 bedrooms. >> 90 bedrooms. >> And we we have a whole study about uh

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sewer w uh not sewer wise, septic wise, how many bedrooms could be built on that site? And 90 will using it will fit into that >> thing. Yeah. And that's not going to be anywhere near the four line then. Is that correct? >> Someday.

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>> Someday. But it'll be many. It's going to be decades, I would say. Right. >> It'll be at least 10 years, if not 20. >> When I look at the maps, when I look at the display maps, it looks like 20 years come up. Just in my eye, the way

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>> they figured 90 bedrooms would get you about 45 to 50 units depending on how many, you know, how many make smaller smaller units with one bedroom, how many make three bedrooms and the developer

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really needs to make that decision. >> Wow, that's exciting. Okay. affordable housing trust. >> Yep. So, uh we have a signed contract with the state for the uh I'm sorry, with the county for the shared regional housing office. So, we're participating

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with that again. Um and they're starting to branch out to do um public uh technical sessions, so stay tuned. Um

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so so right now we meet um just staff from each town meets they want to start to do these kinds of presentations that where all the committee members the town's committee members uh are invited

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to join as well. So that's interesting. Um the trust is on a through that program uh first of all look at the Plymouth Road units um that are expiring and um initiate a study on senior

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housing needs um just to make sure that if we're going to start to set aside a special fund to prevent homelessness in our with our seniors that we're using that money in

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the most effective ways. Um and then um yep. So the trust has their RFP for affordable housing development. This is for purchase of property in the route 28 economic corridor uh of of a blighted or

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underutilized property for conversion into mixed use with you know commercial and residential where some of the residential is affordable. So, that's due July 15th. >> I haven't heard much, so I don't know if

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we're going to get any bites, but >> what's the um There's a large vacant parcel now on 28 right next to the water park where a motel was. >> Yeah, I think they just tore it down. They >> like motel actually. and I drove by and

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they have a fence up now along the I don't know if it's proposed additional parking for the water park or >> I don't know but I do think it that I read that the water park does own it but I don't know what they're putting there but but that's just something I >> you say that I think I read that in the

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Cape Cod Times >> and I think it said >> stay tuned kind of a thing owners they weren't revealing what their plans were maybe planning on expanding their hotel rooms or whatever. >> So that would that uh the water park

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went before the ZBA before. >> So I don't know >> when is it going to trigger a trip to the planning board. I don't know when or if or whatever, but um they've been doing all that work with the ZBA. >> It's starting to be kind of a larger

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parcel. >> Um so it it could be interesting because once it's all joined, it could do other things. So, we'll see. >> Well, this looks the new parcel looks to be two to three acres, I would say. >> It's big. Yeah. >> I don't know what water park you're

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talking about. >> The inflatable water park. >> What's yours? >> It has like a It has like a a burm with a fencing on top with landscaping >> and like over the fence as you're driving by, you can see the tops. It's

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wicked waves. >> Wicked water park or something. >> Yeah. It has like a And it's apparently quite quite a place. I mean, apparently they put in um water with a a swim up

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bar and she been there. >> Oh, you have? Oh, go ahead. >> I went there maybe Oh, it's been five or six years since I went there. >> Just swim up for a drink. >> But and and at that time and they've expanded it quite a lot. And at that

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time it was I mean for for something that's only open for three months it um >> my niece went you know the little one and they had a blast. My sister took her grandchildren there.

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>> There's a lazy there's a lazy river that you could float around on and then there all these uh inflatable >> we should go. We should all [laughter] go. It's like we should have all the town board member committee members all go.

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>> It could be volunteer appreciation afternoon at the water park. But uh I was they really had a good time. That's what I've heard. Glad to hear. I wish I had little kids around that I could take. >> Take an event. We have an excuse to go.

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>> I believe they brought salties to the restaurant, but that and that's just been sitting there now. two or three years. >> Did that get torn down this week? >> Still there. Okay. I have to write if you pushed hard enough >> because the water park what you don't

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see from the road you do see it from since this motel was taken down >> behind the water park. There's a huge parking lot back there. >> Wow. Really? >> Yeah. >> And you don't you have no idea from 28 there. And there's there's parking both

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for the the water park motel that's there and for, you know, off-site uh people that are visiting the water park. Um okay. Uh planning board zoning and planning efforts. Anything other than what you've

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already told us? Well, we've really been talking about a lot of different things going on like they're replanting trees uh on Old Main Street where they had to take out old trees for the sewage

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system. And then we also had a presentation by Amanda Limo, the town engineer on the complete streets policy, which is uh state supported uh policy to

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help towns pay for various street improvements to help transportation of all sorts, cars, pedestrians, bicycles, and all that. So I suspect the Buck Island sidewalk and things like that, right? >> And and all the bike lanes, that's

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something going on. And then we have discussed the habitat project quite a bit as well. >> Nice memo. Thank you. >> And the um there's a Kathy's put together an RFP for a consultant to help

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uh with modifying design and site plan standards for the um various zoning processes and everything. And then the biggest part of our discussions have been on the short-term rental

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because the current bylaw expires in November. So, we have to have something at the town meeting, the special town meeting in the fall. and whether we just extend the existing bylaw or change it

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from the zoning bylaw to a bylaw bylaw, which apparently makes it a little bit easier for uh you don't need quite as many special permits for certain things. And um the biggest issues are neighbors

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who are upset about short-term rentals being in neighborhoods where >> policing of short-term >> policing of them and enforcement. Uh there are certain neighborhoods in West Yarn where they really have [snorts] very high seasonal proportions. So there

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are lots of renters of big houses. And so we're focusing on uh maybe adding some statements that limit corporations from it's not a big the the short-term rental

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study showed that it really is not a big issue anyway but still to put that in to prevent it from getting out of hand to somehow control the number of rentals any individual owner or corporation could own. they can't they'll, you know,

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prevent corporations but also limit owners to not owning very many of them. And the one of the biggest complaints is that people advertise them on Airbnb with much larger sleeping capacities than

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their permits permit. the purpose based on >> you know you you get a house that's got two bedrooms but they've got four bunk beds in one of the bedrooms and they are

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advertised as sleeping six when their septic and their rental permit are for sleeping four >> and this gets out of hand with these five and six bedroom houses that have you know they'll they'll maybe maybe

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it's a five bedroom house that is permitted for 10 people, but they put an Airbnb ad saying that they sleep 18 and then the college kids rent it for 25. So, >> yep.

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>> So, they're uh we're we're going to try and put uh some kind of specification that your rental advertising listings have to reflect the permitted number. Little things like that that we've been

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doing a lot of time listening to the neighbors have been very vocal about the issues of noise and traffic from too many cars in the neighborhood and all that sort of thing. So anyway, I'm sure we'll be talking about it a lot between now and November. And also we're working

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on um updating the u accessible what I get my words mixed up. The ADUs are um >> accessible. Yeah. Excess. Yeah. Whatever. >> Right. >> That's right. >> Because this right after the town

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approved the rules, the state came out with new rules and now we have to just modify it to match the state's rules. So, those are the things that we're mainly talking about. Were there any other things that >> I I forgot about all of these. I I knew half of them. I remembered half of them.

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Wow, you guys are busy. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Well, as always, let us know if you need um meeting this Wednesday. So, I will probably have more to report soon. >> We're we're always available to, you know, review stuff if you ever so fail,

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but I know you guys are a great board, so have a great staff person. >> Okay. Department of Community Development. >> Yep. So, um um the town uh advertised the position of the economic development

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program manager and so stay tuned for that because there is going to be um a coordinated effort out of community development for economic development and it couldn't be a better time. Right. So

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>> with the sewer ring coming online, Route 28, we see this a pent up uh interest in redeveloping properties and it will just be great to have um somebody doing that economic development thing so that so for example you know

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the trust helped a local developer buy a piece of property it's got you know needs to get redeveloped that whole permitting and stuff has to to start but when they first came it was just housing we convinced them two units commercial

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who's going to find the two commercial tenants, right? It'll be nice that there'll be a staff person who will be kind of have their eyes and ears on things like that and make sure that there's an appropriate, you know, commercial tenant. Oh, you're right by

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>> the um the the new park and kayak launch. Maybe it's a good place to have kayak rental, right? So, yeah. So, um I'm I'm really looking forward to that. That's been kind of a missing staff person.

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>> That's great. Really nice. >> Okay, I think that's it. >> There's all your meetings. >> Oh, yeah. >> You want to just check in with P and Miler to see if they have anything to add? >> I do.

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I just wanted to know if um you want me to follow up on that email that we sent a while ago to um Senator Warren now that the um bill is a law. >> Yes. >> Okay, I will do that. >> And I were working on that and and I

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thought it had passed like the Senate and the House and surprise, but now it's law. So yeah, thanks. >> It is. Yeah. So, I'll just I'll just double check and make sure that the things that I said in the first one are still applicable and I'll send it to you

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for review and then we'll send it on out. >> No comment, but that's awesome. >> That's a comment. >> All right, that's a comment. Yeah. All right. We have meetings coming up August 10th, September 14th, August 5th, or October 5th, November 9th, December

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14th. didn't want to take that far out, but that's fine in the future. >> Put them on the calendar. So, October 5th is the first Monday. That's the because of uh um the holidays and >> Okay. It's okay. Doesn't scare me.

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[laughter] >> So easy. Thank you. >> I ain't scared. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to adjourn? >> I move for we second. Um, roll call. Myra

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>> I. >> Pal >> I. >> Drew. >> Hi. >> John. I >> Ira. I. Okay.