getting reading everything in advance such a bad thing okay we're going to watch that monitor recording in progress okay uh recognizing that we have a quorum the chair opens the april 14th meeting of
the community housing committee this meeting is being broadcast is live broadcast and recorded um do a roll call of of those in attendance palm
hi drew here myra here lee lee here here john here and welcome to our new member thank you there he is i was carrying my calendar around with me and it's right on my calendar
so dearra is our representative from the planning board yep good having you here dearra thank you we had um right all that appointment stuff got uh processed before our last meeting on muk on the madakis utilization committee proposal
and derra had joined us for that so okay starting with committee b uh business uh minutes i don't have any done yet okay on to old business the muck housing uh approval of the recommendation for
the madaks utilization committee um we have the print out of the document that was approved by the housing trust and uh we need to comment
uh we need to provide any comments or changes that we would like to make for our committee before we do that i'd like to ask a question on the moderate versus elevated and the moderate is sort of the
conservative estimate am i reading yeah and the elevated is what we would like to see or what does what does elevated really mean it's a range it's a range so the the master of of the project
designed this so that we would have brainstorming the session one right the next one is reconciliation into three big ideas and then we pick one of those ideas but we have an elevated example of
that idea and then a moderate so that's where where it come from for a range and the range is useful in what way does it so this is how i see it okay let's say we're the only thing going on to this site the
only thing we can do whatever we want that's our elevated okay let's say we have to share space right for example is like the lowest we can go to make it worth our time
[Music] okay and thank you for not proposing 300 units of the elevated thank you i was thinking about it i know i appreciate that so you want me to run through it a
little bit sure okay so for both the moderate and elevated you'll see that uh the recommendation is for residential with community and commercial use compatible with housing so that's you know convenience stores coffee shops
child care little boutique shops that kind of stuff okay um so with respect to both uh the moderate and elevated you have rental housing home ownership housing and
municipal employee rental housing okay so for the moderate under rental housing the target is 62 units and that's that's a good number of units to attract um an affordable housing developer that's
going to make it uh that's going to come up on their radar as something uh that they can work with um it would be multif family housing with uh buildings with density two to three
stories mixed income with only 25 to 50% of the units being affordable the rest being market rate buildings to meet architectural towns architectural guidelines 1.5 parking spots per unit
and a mix of studios onebedroom twobedroom and three bedrooms senior friendly in that it will be universally accessible have an elevator and smaller units for smaller households green energy net zero and the
site would be towards the rear of the parcel um in place of the former madakis classroom area it's the southeast corner okay now when you go to the elevated
basically it's the same except it's 124 units and the buildings would be threetory and what's nice about the threetory is that you're going to have an elevator it's very difficult for um for people
with mobility challenges to live in a two twostory building without an elevator so if you have three stories it's going to be financially worth it for the developer to have an elevator um
right and that's uh that's the difference just the number of units and that we want three stories and where we've situated or penciled in this spot this is the furthest corner from the street and as you know that we that
would use the existing entrance way to madakis which goes in straight is wooded on both sides it's very pretty actually and it curves so you wouldn't see this from the street you would see this once you're on the campus so it's if you're going to have
three stories anywhere this is a good spot for it okay do you want me to go on to affordable the affordable homes the home ownership well here's a i was going to ask now with the elevated
right this might just be me not being able to think clearly why wouldn't you also say two and threetory possibly right it could still be yeah that's not going to hurt anything it wouldn't hurt anything it's just the way my mind was working
i think i want to make it mandatory that there's a threetory that there's at least one threetory okay so two to three stories at least one building right definitely want that elevator
building threetory so you're going back to the moderate no i'm i'm over to the elevator on the elevator that we should allow twotory building at least one threestory building but at least one three-story building so we can get that elevator in
there so that would apply to the moderate as well right because it says two to three you could say well make one of them three stories maybe it does yeah why not because the uh moderate says if that's
what you guys want sure well the way you put it it seems pretty important because we want to accommodate people that you know need that i think i can get that by the trust what do you think myra i think so um i will be happy to explain
the committee's position and the senior friendly line does say elevator on both sides it does it does so the difference with elevated boils down to how much rather than the quality or the types of things we're trying to
do and understand your comment say it again it doesn't mean that much elevated just means more right so elevators are what they add what i don't know $300,000 to the project you know i think he meant the difference with elevated versus moderate oh mean much of
anything okay thank you i guess it does mean just the number of units it's about numbers yeah do the buildings down across from dunkin donuts the the buildings that were built in there do they have an
elevator is that uh which dunk samson school it's it's um like the old samson school building no no no um yarmouth yarmouth commons is the blue buildings right no further down uh towards west yarmouth yarmouth go ahead that's
yarmouth gardens those are only twotory right do they have an elevator i'd have to check i think there is an elevator in one of them okay i'll have to so even that's a possibility we don't know um but to afford that
what they had to do was get um a higher subsidy and to get that higher subsidy they had to lower the income level do you know what i mean so we try to create affordable housing that's at the
higher end of the income range right you mean the 80% the town does right the 80% ami some developers their financial packages they have to start serving extremely low income okay fine let's do 10% at that
extremely low level and the rest have it in the range that we want well by the time they're done putting together their financial package they keep lowering the income range do you know what i mean so
um we have to figure out how not to lose that piece where we're getting the elevator but we're also offering market rate units wouldn't we want to try and have an elevator in every building that that that i mean yes we don't know
how big the buildings are going to be the footprint of the building is going to be so um you could end up with one three-story building that has you know 30 units in it and so now we've gotund
almost 100 uh units with no elevator access to the second floor m um i mean unless we just want to mhm does anybody know the difference between an elevator and a lift because we have
something called a lift in my church and it's only two levels right and other than moving very slowly it works fine from from a oh how does it work from a from a uh from a universal design standpoint or
ada or whatever the a lift is allowable if there's not room for an elevator or if the it's not um economically feasible to put an elevator in mhm so in that
situation where you have you know not a lot of use in a in a in the church i mean but in i don't think you could get away with an putting a lift in a in a in a dwelling i don't think so dwelling unit because you you can wheel a chair
into those lifts but you can't have another passenger on there and you can't really carry a whole lot i think you can fit one maybe the pro the problem with the lifts there there's another pro kind of a practical problem that they're key activated and the key has to be in the
lift all the time so now you're you know kids can get in there and ride the thing up and down and and um there are a lot of thing negative things about okay putting a lift in if we want elevators right right i have a question that we
have not discussed these municipal employee rental units but these are detached units so these are separate houses yeah that's what that's what it came up we came up with i don't remember any of that i remember discussing about we talked about putting them on um
what's the lane chickity lane okay we talked about putting either little culde-sacs in there with houses on them or just running across along the street and where where is that we were talking about because we're talking about the uh
it could be not on that plan it's um it runs along the northern end of the site right yeah there were two ideas either string them along the roadway or have it in a bunch in a on the corner sort of and
then the affordable homes we talked about um putting uh putting them closer to the road on the would be the southern end of the site not really closer to the road i thought we were talking so here's
chickity okay right right sorry so this is chick so on this side of the road there's lots and those are private homes right yeah right so there's been some discussion of carving out lots here okay
and where's the school the school is down there the the elementary school right and then the so we'll get to the notes on the bottom but it talks about building the new school right in the center of the lot
right along the street okay have it pushed forward open everybody can see it more than one story yes to to keep and not all these little separate little separate units the recreational area
enhance it maybe expand it improve it and then put the economic development piece here where the solar panels are and the old schools okay all the schools and then the detached homes the 12 were up in that area and uh here's the here's
the auditorium and the gym right that would stay right this area these trails and stuff could be developed and connected and this this area would be kind of a place that would connect the nature walks to
the site okay okay and where are the the this these three buildings are the ex are the madak school classrooms yeah and they're going to be demolished knock down put the affordable housing okay and where are the home ownership here's
the here's the parking lot right 1.5 spots per unit right right then this gravel area is disturbed so you would put a little cluster for
municipal employees and a small little cluster for habitat okay well i would like to see i'm not really pleased with only six units in the um of the affordable homes
in the well it isn't it isn't really six it's really 6 to 12 based on whether we go with the moderate or the elevated or some somewhere in between yeah i get that but still do you like starting to run out of room
because of the parking right you know what i mean and if we so you're going to have we did another subdivision you're talking about having it over here okay or along here and i i
think there's some serious concern amongst people who have done this in the past that it might be better to leave that wooded buffer between the area over there well does
that what about the idea of clustering it that would disturb the woods down there in that lower lefthand corner i think that the neighbors would really missed well yeah i mean the other thing would be to leave a buffer there along the
street and then develop the houses just maybe 30 ft back in front of the buffer so that you had you the buffer was still there but but you could accommodate the homes they don't take up very much space i mean if you're see if you kept the
residential onto that side of the campus the southeast side of the campus yes and then this area oh so i was saying that the benefit of keeping the residential over in the
southeast area right and then you have this wonderful recreational campus and an economic development campus on the economic development campus they might do entertainment they might do tournaments that kind of stuff
so that if you know what i mean that noise and that commotion is separate from the residential they can walk over i mean you've walked the site you can walk the whole site it's very easy to walk it's level um but there can still be a little bit of separation last thing
that john said though was you were suggesting john that that that housing over there in the uh near chicad lane might still work yeah yeah i mean modify it nicely too if if you just look at the houses that are
the the 12 houses that are in the gravel area you know those h this is a big site and those houses don't take up very much room and you could you could keep a buffer and access with a driveway and still have a buffer to the neighbors and
i like to have that point still alive you know as a possibility and then the municipal employee rental units those would have to be monitored by the town because they're going to be town rentals
so i i'm going to put in a bullet point about the chickity lane okay right it's a little subtlety there you know okay so what would happen with municipal um housing this is this is my thought i like that it's rental and not home
ownership right so um these units would be used to attract and maintain employees and probably in an office that uh where uh there's a lot of
competition for um employees so that's the fire department the police department dpw i mean the board of selectmen are going to have to be involved in setting this policy but that's what i'm hearing is that these departments kind of they kind of um
attract uh other employees from different towns oh you have that certification you have that training come here we'll give you more money blah blah blah blah blah so it'd be part of that that deal um also sometimes you know people have been uh they've been
successful in getting a grant that would fund like three to six more um people for these departments you know those used to be federal grants and they would be for x amount of years so that it might be in conjunction with that so we
have to be very careful on how we roll this out right we have to be fair um but they would be linked to that job and it would have an annual lease and what i'm thinking is that it would have a a term of no more than three years like you
have three years right it's an annual lease and you have to it has to get renewed you have to be a good tenant right um and you have to have that link to the so if somebody took a job in a neighboring town their lease would be up
obviously um so and then it's only good for 3 years and that's how we would use it so do we want to add that language to the municipal housing description i wouldn't get into the nuts and bolts
at this point i um uh the only other um the only other um point that i wanted to talk about was what if we find out that the gym and auditorium are not economically feasible
to um keep i've read the the um report on the condition of the building and it really it addresses systems overall it doesn't address different parts of the building
uh in terms of uh it talks about hvac systems and it talks about structural systems uh water infiltration but it doesn't specifically talk about the condition of the auditorium and the gymnasium
i think it does make mention of the difficulty to uh retrofit the classrooms to be used for any you know economically to be able to retrofit those
so so what somebody at at one time during one of the muck meetings i remember somebody saying that they were having an additional study done on just the individual pieces of that of the school itself for instance you know
could we have somebody look at the early on in the process have somebody look at the condition of the gymnasium in the auditorium and just give um a recommendation whether or not it's
economically feasible to um it's not going to be economically feasible we know that uh i'm not so sure so i mean as opposed to building a new a new gymnasium and a new i think the town is going to have to subsidize that okay
do you know what i mean like i don't think it's economically feasible in that the use is going to cover the cost of the intense rehabilitation for that area i do think it's you're you're right in a way if we were to start from scratch i think this
is the the least coste effective thing to do is to rehab those buildings but i think that if um the most economical thing for that right is just to get rid of it is just to demolish it and be done and not have
that facility but i think the town is is you're see i'm hearing more and more people say they want to retain the gym and the auditorium and that there might have to be some cash put up i don't know if it's going to be through the capital
improvement plan or an override or what um i it's kind of interesting it's like they they like the gym and the other it gets a tremendous amount of use yeah i think it's worth i think the town is going to say yes this is worth spending
money do we have we seen a report from the recreation committee just it's just about to be published okay so um the the brainstorming from everybody is online right now they're working on the the
town managers the town administrator's office is working on the second report which is down to three the three ideas from everybody and there's one from economic development recreation and um
us and you'll see the recreation and there's some mention of and excuse me let me start again under the economic development uh muk there is mentioned with housing
but far more comments in line with what recreation is seeing as important to the town so i have a feeling um because of the recreational fields and how much yarmouth loves recreation they just love that program um that they want to do
economic development through competitive sports and that kind of stuff okay competition no i i mean i think i think that's a good thing because it it brings in revenue for restaurants and and hotels and right having tournaments and
you know that that kind of thing it does generate economic so you need the you need the gym you need the auditorium you know you need the awards you know ceremonies you you need all of that stuff um and then we can start having
speakers there again like lee was talking about you know like speaker series and stuff like that um we don't have a big space like that right now with the libraries um
uh so any more comments from anybody so under the third bullet point for drew develop develop already disturbed areas and leave forest areas undeveloped with the exception of the land along chicad
lane um well i'm thinking this goes back to something you said at the last meeting mary and something john just said which is that corner which is in the that's probably the northeast corner yep um there's a
lot of woods there and we don't want to destroy the woods but those two the two things that you two said led me to believe you could put some housing there right and leave a still have a wooded buffer is that what you were talking about john yeah and not
totally destroy those woods and still leave a buffer for that would be be nice for the chickity lane people although so right so i said "however exception however there um however except um for use of
land near or along chickity lane for housing." well we're we're not along we're going to you want it in the corner okay well i well that's my idea you mean concentrated in the corner of chickity
lane and what's that higgins crawl higgins crawl yeah higgins crawl does that make sense to you or shouldn't we shouldn't we be that specific well you brought it up yeah i just had the feeling that all along chickad lane
was a no-go because that would really neighbors i think you would have less resistance if you if if you were very careful about putting the setting the houses back from the road maintaining a border you know some kind of a buffer along
chickity lane and then you would concentrating 10 or 12 houses in in the corner i'm going to say however except for additional home ownership units yes yeah
i was just trying to near or along lane i hear what you're saying yeah is that sharon who is the chair of the metaky's utilization committee will be very pleased to see that will she yes she will be very pleased to see that in a
note from us i get the idea that the people that live there on the other side of that road still want a nice buffer right what the heck and i think they'd be more pleased with home ownership i think they'll be more pleased with home ownership and rental and even though you're talking about the
municipal housing and employees um you get single people they'll be they'll do very well near the other rental units they'll do very well over there and they can walk to work because they can walk right over at least that's that's still alive as a
possibility yeah yeah let's keep that as a possibility okay um would you read again how you wording wording that except all right so this is third bullet point develop already disturbed areas and leave
forested areas undeveloped however except for additional housing unit home ownership units near or along chicad lane good okay so just to go back to the 124
rental units the elevated over onto the right there's a note we're going to change two to three stories yep right mhm should we say with all with all three storied
buildings to contain an elevator all threetory yeah i would you're just not going to get them in two stories we'll be spending all of our money on two stories
your experience has taught you that putting an elevator in a two-story building is not something the developers can do it's not worth it pull off um and we should say with at least one three-story building so that we'll have we still have the first story to um
concentrate for universal design and things like that for people to have access and then the three-story building i mean a three-story building should have an elevator definitely yeah that's where that's the point we're going to make right that
and we really want to have at least one three-story building yeah for the larger development when you're starting to get that big you you want to require at least one threetory
but we don't want to say that we don't want to put that as even our moderate recommendation that there's at least one three story building this starts to be too restrictive for 60 units you don't want to kill your own project right that's why i asked yeah i mean we can
say two to three stories and then any on the moderate any threetory must have an elevator mhm okay that you can require all right okie dokie and so for the 124 it's two
to three stories any threetory building must have an elevator must have at least one threetoried building okay all right so then um the next one is the six affordable home ownership units every single one would be affordable the
detached units the model is habitat for humanity um place east of the rental housing parking so that's in that disturbed gravel area so i'll put that in there so just to uh address what lee is
thinking about is 12 uh really the maximum that is reasonable to request in an elevated yeah for sure i i do i i think that i think 6 to 12 is good i think there'll be a lot more support for 12
affordable homes than there will be for 124 rental units do you know what i mean like you don't have to have everything that you're having in the elevated column you don't have to have all of those you could have you know a 62
uh rental unit development with 12 affordable homes um same for the municipal that would make me happy yeah yeah and we we developed a whole lot of rental i really would like to see yeah the town support
some of it's time and um you can't get habitat to come for one unit anymore they don't want to do that but if you bring on too many all at once you don't you don't get enough uh people to satisfy local preference do
you know what i mean let's see this is interesting to me learn to learn this so you won't like if if you don't have any new affordable units in your town coming on for like decades and you hold a lottery boom you're going to be able to fill 70 of
those 70% of those units with local residents right when you bring them on too quickly you're really start you have to draw from off cape now maybe there's a a cape connection right but technically it's not filling your local
preference so that's what that's why i'm kind of like we're okay at the pace we're going we're perfectly fine well if you put it that way yeah well and the municipal employees are all
going to be local of all these are going to be within the town you never know you might have a police chief that's coming up from somewhere else you know someplace and they need a place to stay and that's i think in in um in martha's
vineyard they were bringing or was in nucket they were bringing people over from the mainland which means they're not avoid not you know the ferry shut down in bad weather so you can end up short-handed but that's the only way they could get people
they couldn't get house them on the island so the uh municipal employee rental units the detached units they use to attract and retra retain municipal employees for the moderate there'd be six units and for the elevated there'd
be 12 and i'm sure if we did 12 they would be used so do we have any other changes other than um providing an elevator in a three-story unit and the chickity lane
language do you want to ask tom if she can what do you think pal i think this is impressive and i can't wait to get started we'll get the shovels out there tomorrow um
so how do how do we want to do this do we you do you want to just read back what the changes are and then we'll take a roll call vote on it so yes so so this would be your motion to accept uh the muk housing preference program um as amended and here are the following
amendments under moderate under 62 rental units the second bullet point two to three stories period um any threetory building would be required to have an elevator under the same bullet point but
under elevated it would say any threetory building would be required to have an elevator at oh and it would say two to three stories any three-story build uh building would be required to have an elevator and at least one building would have to be three stories
okay good under the um i i did put a note in here just to clarify under the six affordable homes and the 12 affordable homes it says place west of the rental house uh rental housing parking in the disturbed gravel area i added that comment on both
um and under the third bullet point under other notes develop already disturbed areas and leave forested areas undeveloped except for additional home ownership units near or along chicad lane
okay okay do can we get a motion to approve the muck recommendation as amended so moved okay second i second u take a
vote palm i drew yes uh myra i john yes lee i deer i okay okay so i'll bring that to the trust they meet thursday and if they're okay
then we're done what i was gonna have um was gonna have barrett planning kind of sketch out kind of like the concept that we went through um at our last meeting and again today just so that
when it goes in front of uh the full madakis utilization committee they don't have to figure out where's northsoutheast whatever they it's just right there and would that include any possible housing on the yeah i think it should i think they
should um they won't be using these little cutouts that they have that i have but they can block out things in you know different colors and chickity would be a slightly different color than the other ones but you know you can see it it really starts to
make the site come together you know what i mean and it really you can start to visualize it and i think that's important for the madakis utilization committee um now what what did they decide about those um
um solar panels on the ground there oh we've got big plans for that take them out because they've been there for quite a while right there's as you all know there's um we we have a robust energy
committee in town right and uh they want to do more and there's a lot of citizens that want to do more um you know attacking the town's carbon footprint and i think that there there was some discussion of um remember mark
was saying on workshop road there was some discussion of having a solar panel farm there so there there there is a you know there is an idea to take these solar panel you know demolish them with in
cooperation in partnership with the people who own it and set up a different put them in a different location but they would you would have new panels there and a renewed lease you know a re a renewed contract and we talked about
uh panels on the roof of the building and possibly on parking structure u covered parking structure that sort of thing as well we did well i mean briefly i don't know um i mean i i don't think it it says
green energy and net zero in the in the there's some communities that love solar car ports i live in a community mashbby loves them they love them i don't think they're as popular here um as they are
in other spots um how popular do they have to be like enough so that it won't kill your project you know um but they're both on the roofs of the the rental houses yeah um habitat pretty much does it i believe
to their developments correct so so what what what you could say is that there should be a a selection preference there should be a preference um uh for on-site solar energy i mean
you could put that as a note on the bottom do you want to i think it's isn't it already covered in saying green energy and net zero you know i yes yeah um specifying solar is a little bit
isn't really important so i guess there's we're not a leadcertified we're stretch code certified community but we're not we we don't require new buildings to be leadcertified we can be we can make them lead ready
you know but i guess there's i don't know bronze silver and platinum or bronze silver gold platinum levels of lead and they're see they're expensive and there's no funding for them right now like we don't we have an
affordable housing trust but we don't have an energy trust to help with the costs of that um so it's it's almost like it's one of the things that get cut from the budget um it doesn't have to
be um so it is in there green energy net zero i also wondered if we could do something different with landscaping as well so that we're not dependent upon um
you know green lawns and pesticides and all that good stuff so you so that isn't that like low water landscaping okay um new business habitat wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute are we including low low is that is that
embedded in uh green energy and net zero or is that a different that would have to you would have to amend that and add that as a bullet point that it's um that it's low water um i don't know if they call it is it drought resistant
landscaping or is it it's n if you want native landscaping well isn't isn't that covered in the in the uh town guidelines for zoning and for not really no not really um i don't know
if the right term is drought resistant or low water but if we do low water that will cover it low water and native landscaping so you would have to make a motion lee to add that we could call it sustainable nobody knows what that is though people
like interpret that in a million different ways what did you say again uh low water and native landscaping or low low water landscaping with native plants you like that one better low water we have a motion
to include that in the notes for the i make that motion low water low water landscaping landscaping with native plants okay hey i second that motion second and roll call palm
yes drew yes myra yes john yes lee lee yes yes on the maintenance cost and everything oh it's huge and you don't have to uh fertilize it you know what i mean we are a nitrogen sensitive area we
should we don't want to add any more nitrogen that we don't have to all right good okay on to new business habitat for humanity neighborhood at 1121 route 28 south yarmouth i think we have norine
with us hey norin can you hear us i can see norine but i can't hear her hello hello hey you're looking well you guys are busy yep wow so norin why don't you had to wait around so long why
don't i just go over what we have in the packet okay and then i'll hand it off to you so what you have in the packet is some uh elevation drawings we have like the floor plans and etc but i just gave you the first page with the elevations
just so you can get a sense of the type of architecture that habitat is proposing um we do have a site plan which uh which they quickly norine i got to tell you these guys are good they quickly noted you know that this has the
septic system still on it but that the project is waiting uh for sewering to go by to uh hook up to that um and then what the other thing i gave them was a blank uh local initiative program
application for local action units um i let them know that you did send me a draft um but i haven't reviewed it and i was thinking that maybe i should review it before i print it out for them because it's 200 pages exactly but it does give you a sense of the kinds of
questions the state asks um about proposals like this and then with that i mr mr chair i'd like to just hand it over to norine so hello um um i've joined habitat recently replacing beth you probably all know beth who started this project with
you guys a while ago so um i've been here now just over two months catching up on all the projects that are going on so um this one is exciting um mary i do want to double check with you because i actually sent you a um not a local action unit application i sent you a comp permit application oh okay so this
is a lip but um my notes here say that it's a lip comp permit but i can change it but i let's talk about that later i it looked very when i went through it it looked very um it looked almost like the
same stuff that this is for so um so um so yes we are waiting for the sewer to come online um so yes the plan does i said what i sent mary is very draft form um i spent the last couple of months trying to get up to speed on all the projects so um i want to get out to you
for preliminary review and then i'll finish um speeding it up on our end changing some of the plans our engineers working on the plans now um so we can get that update that shows the sewer connection um we're hoping to uh get through the permitting this summer so
the lip application is the next step um we'll get that out um once it's approved get it over to uh eohlc they'll set up a site review meeting and then once they approve the project and get the project eligibility letter to us we can put an application in with the zba for the um the
hearing um we hope to um start some of the infrastructure i have to double check our schedule has changed here either later this fall or early next spring depending on some of the other projects that are already in the pipeline so this home will be this property will be six units it'll be a mix of one two and threebedroom homes
and a mix of ranches and capes as you know across from the town hall on the wood road um intersection with 128 um you guys mentioned a lot about habitat earlier we do a solar panel we do do solar panels as site conditions allow full basement um we pretty much
meet and exceed lead um standards we don't go for certification just due the expenses so um there is a lot here for the program so the homes will be at 60 and um 60 and 80% of the area median income and the town i believe has requested local
preference and a veteran preference for local preference and then a veteran's preference for one home so i'll work with mary on um figuring that out um i'll just kind of give you that high level overview and if you have any
questions or that might be the easier way to figure out what you want me to talk about because you guys have just spent a lot of time talking about the last one yeah that sounds good keep going yeah so far so good so i'm trying to think what else i
should share um how about accessibility the what how about will one of will one of the homes be um accessible or do you wait until you hold the lottery for that we do we do we um we do wait so we um if
once the lottery is held if we do select a family through the lottery process that needs accommodations we will make accommodations for them and they will likely get one of the ranch homes uh we have a two-bedroom ranch and a three-bedroom ranch and the other four homes are all capes so we should be able
to accommodate early on before we start um building the homes so what they their lottery process is a lot longer than our lottery process they do because it it's there's i think there's is there interviews involved there are yes so we
do the we do the 60-day um marketing through the um affirmative fair marketing plan um and we try to do the we try to get them in between the and we don't wait for the end but if somebody does qualify they also have to show that they have a housing need um beyond the desire of being a home that's a habitat
extra so we do home visits to make sure they actually um do have a need for affordable housing so i should say that the application process is longer right it is a little longer home home visits and and because
there's a requirement for sweat equity that's something that um home own like home purchasers have to really commit to and norin i i'm sure you've seen this people will come and pick up a habitat ex application and i'll explain there's
a sweat equity um requirement and you can see them going how can i fit that in how can i fit that in my busy schedule but it you know i tell everybody just put it in and they'll explain it to you if you get drawn you know at how many hours is it
it's um 250 for a single for a single applicant and two uh 300 for um a double for for two people two adults so which is also why longer than our our our um advertising time is our uh build time so
we take about 12 to 18 months to build the homes so that we allow the homeowner time to build the home right and this you know with the with the cape having two resource other opportunities if there was somebody who had some mobility issues um or challenges or they
can't do the physical work on a site they would make accommodations for them at one of the restores and we often offer some um volunteer time in our office to do some administrative work interesting that's nice that's interesting to learn i didn't know i didn't know all those
details at all now i think each home you try to identify a community partner for each home correct thank you mary so i've been here two months mary knows thanks for reminding me yes um the cape is very um successful in finding sponsorships
local sponsorships that will um help support the homes um and the outreach is great here um they have a lot of um opportunities for people for donate from businesses to church organization from faith relations and um we often do find um sponsors are willing to sponsor a
house um independently outside of the uh the regular fundraising that goes on for the homes so that's that's unique to the cape i believe with all 16 affiliates in massachusetts the cape manages to find people who will actually sponsor an a
single home so uh are there any like minimum you know things you have to do to be a sponsor do you have to raise x amount of money do you have to bring forth x amount of volunteers i'll i'll have to get back to you on
that mary i'm not i'm ready i'm not up to speed on i'm not up to speed on the fundraising i'm ready to door knockock at some of these lovely uh community partners and leaders in town they've just been they've just been waiting to want to help out so and we'll have some more community meetings like once this
gets closer too we'll be doing some more outreach with the community um we did offer two meetings to the neighbors mary was there for that um we offered a inerson one at town hall and nobody showed up and we offered a virtual one the following day and we had nobody from the neighborhood interested at the time
we did get one call asking if we could share the video but because there was no meeting there was no video so uh other than that we would have been a heck of a video yeah i know so i sent her the powerpoint presentation yeah so here we go call me with any questions but so we will do some more community outreach and
and at that point we will be looking for you know any information on sponsors or um people who want to volunteer if you have a business bring your bring your team over for a great build day and they can um they can help build a build a home no experience necessary i was
looking so it looks like that was was virginia the last one we did mary in 2011 yes virginia street i think there are o seven six homes i was looking at that i read summer six homes i think
in 2011 this is good so that's is that the way that you're talking about uh it's good that there was no no neighborhood opposition it sounds like and that that worked out very well
yeah that worked out very well there were two sides of that um site that was cranberry bogs you know um and just the way it was positioned it it it didn't
have a lot of close abuts it has some and the neighborhood was a basically a seasonal neighborhood they all knew about it and they were fine with it i think that they honestly kind of liked the idea that there would be six homes that would
be lived in year round right because that was that's kind of a cottagey community that people they had the cottage that they only came down to in the summer and it gets really deserted over there so where was it what was the
neighborhood uh wenwood way the hyannas park neighborhood and they they have a very they have a very um organized neighborhood association but really i'm i'm surprised at
um how the percentage of um seasonal homes in there um it's very cottagey i think you can ride your bike if not walk to the beach down there unfortunately it it it's the way that that's the back route from the hospital during the busy
season that's the only thing we need to put some traffic calming techniques in there that's not where you live no no okay yeah i live right up the street here okay um and we do um you did mention some of the landscaping you're looking
for on your last project we do um have some of the sustainable as what that means landscaping we do work with brazilian rose on um working with native plants and and um creating the landscape for the community which there is a landscape
plan attached right and there was a lot of fencing on some of the versions of these plans um so um it's something we struggle with you know we we have a lovehate relationship with fencing right
so we we like them but we want people to see that there's housing behind them do you know what i mean and there was a pathway that it kind of felt like it was getting a little bit more like an alley because it had fencing on both sides
but there was some concern that they needed a fence that was higher on that part of the property because of the traffic on route 28 so we'll um even staff didn't uh agree with what to do with all this
fencing so i'm sure the fencing is going to be the biggest part of all this okay and then once that's settled the landscaping is super easy um i think there were some spots that i was like "oh couldn't you put up a natural fence of arborite or something like that?" but
um i just think of there's some streets on cape cod you go down they're busy streets and all of a sudden it's all houses with six foot fences and you feel like you're in a corridor you know like a city corridor ver versus like you know
when you have a lower fence or some landscape you can tell there's it's a residential neighborhood behind it so something to think about no that's good to know i'll take um i'll have them take a look at the plan and see um like i said i have to get a
little more familiar with the the the details that level of detail but um right we don't want the headlights shining into people's houses but we still want people on route 28 to feel that it there's housing there got it yep
so this is um just to let you know naren we have not had a chapter 40b um go before the zba in a long time probably it was habitats virginia street um and
um so it's it's a whole new um community housing committee right and that's the housing partnership committee it's the official housing partnership committee so anything that goes through the local initiative program
up at the state level has to have a sign off by the housing partnership committee and you guys are it so um the other thing that has to happen for a local initiative program um development is the board of selectman have to have to
approve it too um it's not like they you know look at every single little detail that you're going to see um happening with the zoning board of appeals but it is an overall yes we like this um development the habitat for humanity was
able to purchase the property um with funding from the affordable housing trust which came from the community preservation program and it had a town meeting vote for that general deposit of funds into the affordable housing trust and the trust awarded almost $500,000 of
acquisition money for this property um so there's another layer of review because the affordable housing trust wants to make sure that whatever ultimately gets built there is in line with what they originally gave the money for i think it is i think it is
perfectly um so there's a couple of um steps before we get to the zoning board of appeals for that application for a comprehensive permit um okay but typically it's been so vetted by
that time right right yeah that so when an a comprehensive permit goes to the zoning board of appeals um it it uses the zoning board of appeals to collect comments from all the parties that normally comment on this
like the health department the police department the fire department um community development and all those comments get funneled back to the zba there's a 30day comment period that all the other departments have to look at
this development and then we give all our comments to the zba and then they act on our behalf it's a that's the word where the word comprehensive comes from um so typically when we do it as a
local initiative program right we have all those comments in plenty of time so that they're already incorporated in the plans um by the time it goes to the zba and i have now this is this is six units but i have seen smaller developments go
through boom like in one night because it's so highly vetted by the time it gets to the zba so fingers crossed and that's what we're hoping for we'd like the uh the preliminary review which is why i shared the application um in my mind the application is probably about
95% complete any changes from this point on will be just little minor details there'll be no real substantive changes to the to the project um some of the other towns we actually have this dba take a preliminary look at it um and and give us feedback before we actually
submit it again so um i that would be my next request mary is what boards do i need to go before and if i can get on some of their schedules um to do a presentation um feel free to share the link i gave you um or if you want to wait a week then i can um get the draft
and have a few more details in place as long as the engineer can react that quickly yeah i'll have let me let me figure out a a process you know what i mean um we've never we've never done that before
but that doesn't mean we can't right um we usually just do i'll be honest i hadn't done it before i got here either i had never had somebody willing to do that but yeah so i'm fine with whatever approach whatever approach you want to take yep okay no problem so we're not
taking any action today we're this is information okay we're just trying to get everything finalized get it approved get everybody up to speed because there has been some changes from my understanding um even from the number counts to the timing from the se the septic to the sewer um
you know the timing of the sewer i believe there it's this part of this town comes on what falls of 20 27 yes yeah so we still have time we're just trying to keep it moving along so that when we are all ready it'll be ready to go
okay yep that's all i have any other com any questions or comments i don't have one okay well narin thank you thank you okay i'll be in touch mary hi how
okay so uh next on the agenda housing workshop with the select board we mary put in our packet a what looks like a a draft agenda so right so the so it's two hours and
each section is 30 minutes um and so you all did so well with muk they're like "oh we got to keep the band back we have to keep the band together." right so they want they wanted to workshop with the select board
the affordable housing trust the housing authority and the community housing committee so we will have another big room of tables set up for that meeting um so at six o'clock to warm us up we're going to have carrie spitzer from umass
amherst donahghue institute um and give us an update on their work with the short-term rental study for the town and that will be by zoom um then the affordable housing trust is next we're going to talk about gray fields and blighted sites and
mixeduse implementation and i believe the focus is going to be strongly on route 28 um um so the trust meets on thursday so we'll figure that out um then at 7
o'clock it'll be um a review of muk the the what we just reviewed today and it will be by alexis lyn zelada from barrett planning group and she's going to zoom in um and then at 7:30 um we
will go to the housing authority update so i was on the phone with the executive director wendy olsen um so she's coming uh with their chair bambi
rosario wyatt wyatt rosario wyatt um and uh drew of course will be there and he's the um housing authorities representative to this committee so he will be there and so i talked about a little bit about
um doing a some a slide deck for the housing authority nice you know um a little bit about what's you know like how how were housing authorities made who sits on them um where their offices
what's their inventory of units and um their inventory of uh vouchers very good so i got all that stuff housing author really nice mary you got all the all the figures and facts from wendy yeah you're
going to help her by uh housing authorities a lot of what they do is like what i do it's one-on-one housing counseling it's not something that you can really broadcast oh i talked to so you can't you know what i mean it's like it's kind of quiet and confidential
stuff um but they do an awful lot to prevent homelessness so i'm hoping to to emphasize that and then there you know wendy should be prepared to give an update about the rfp that was issued for the development of forest road can you
give us an well we'll do it at the we'll do it at it's kind of like what you that'll be a good time to do an update then um i think i'm going to try um to do um you know a production summary of
the program of the affordable housing uh program and the the different things we do i kind of see you guys as you know the policy branch and you're the official housing uh partnership committee that the state needs every
town to have and the affordable housing trust has the money to implement the policy so um we'll we'll and hopefully this will you know kind of tweak uh the plans so that everything is like in
line we'll see okay i think i'm going to get my five-year plan at that meeting um you included in the packet the um yarmouth lcp the community meeting summary i thought
um so we've done a lot of surveys we've done a lot of workshops throughout the years i i thought that this packet that was pulled together um under the planning department um was one of was
one of the best um yeah there's a lot of good information in it and so i i want to give credit where credit is due um so it was done by the planning board
um our town planner kathy williams and the bsc group they're our consultant and i i really thought that um you know kathy williams worked very hard and closely with bsc group um to to make
sure all the comments were captured and it's a it's a great summary and i think that they really um it's not as comprehensive as our hpp um and i did give them some additional comments but i think it really spot it
this is the one place where things that i've been hearing from these comments from residents for 20 years they're all highlighted in here in bold um so lot of bold lot of bold i like it
just you can pick it out um i do too so i thought this was a good thing to kind of review before um our housing workshop with the um the select board i think this would get you
up to speed on all the big issues in town thank you you're welcome thank to thank you to the planning board and bsc and our town planner because that's a lot of work so the meeting with the select board is going to be in this room yes okay that's
what's considered the housing workshop it's a housing workshop so we're going to be tables and all that stuff we're going to be in the and just like at at the madakis utilization meetings we should try to come in quorum
if we have quorum john will open up the meeting um as such palm do you think you're going to be able to attend it's the 22nd at six o'clock in internal it no by zoom oh yeah okay
all right yes okay so just let me know if anybody else wants to zoom in um but i'll make sure there's a a good solid zoom link for you palm okay still i thought it was it wasn't i didn't think it was called board of
selectmen anymore select board select board okay reports and actions chair's report i don't have anything uh home consortium that's greg right
yes and i i think i updated you that the trust authorized uh them funds to participate in the regional um shared housing office that's kind of falls under home
okay um yarmouth housing authority well i we're just to go over the dates again uh on may 7th those whatever uh proposals we get for from our request
for proposals will be opened how many how many people have um picked up packets at this point uh a few have i'm not sure of the exact number but i haven't spoken six well that's more so wendy must have
updated me on the phone with wendy today so yes six people have asked it's up to six so that's an increase in the last several days yeah in the last few days and then the affordable housing trust we meet uh this thursday at 3 p.m
okay planning board planning board has mostly been focusing on this uh comprehensive plan and we've been reviewing all these many components that bsc is revising to put into the next
stage of the comprehensive plan and it's it's daunting it's so big but uh it's coming along and we'll we're meeting this week i believe and we'll be going over it again and that's been the major focus of the planning board okay thank
you community preservation committee uh we haven't met i assume we're going to be meeting soon because we'll have presentations at the uh the town meeting on april we did get a memo that our next meeting would be on the 23rd of april
okay in an email you're more informed than i am well it you've got that email on that committee okay yeah so i'm the representative of the housing authority to that now too yeah yeah the 23rd is that what you said that's what the that's what don marie flet wrote us in
an email yeah so see they're getting ready for town meeting which is april 29th right that's how i remember it anyway it's a very clear memory that it said april 23rd that's good to know i've been my mind i'm not looking at anything written
so so at this point the committee is get is prepping for town meeting absolutely and so they just make sure they have somebody to make the motion to second it uh read the explanation and sometimes that person answers the question or
they're helped by a team of people to answer any questions from the floor so it's a nice program it's all set up good okay uh department of community development i do i do have news so our director has resigned karen green's last
day with the town is april 30th so if you see her wish her well she's uh taking a break from full-time work um so anyways how long has she been here 24
years well 24 years and uh you never see anybody work harder to redevelop route 28 than karen green i mean um you know i just resigning she seems to be really young to resign yeah i
think that i think that maybe you know she'll like to hear that compliment that she looks too young and i did i asked her can't you won't you stay to help us through madakis but uh yeah no it's been 24 years and i'm sure she's going to do
uh community planning and development etc throughout the cape with smaller smaller you know but it's a big it's a big department you know it's an umbrella it's an umbrella department it has historic it has
conservation has affordable housing zoning zoning appeals so it's um she's done a great job and um you see any of that redevelopment on route 28 karen was the facilitator of that so you know yeah
okay upcoming meetings the housing workshop with the board of selectmen is the 22nd of april at 6:00 p.m uh annual town meeting is april 29th 6 p.m at the middle school and committee
meeting may 12th at 3 p.m in the hearing room here any more business can we get a i move that we adjourn this meeting second oh second
okay palm i drew hi myra hi john hi lee hi that was five okay