recording in progress You don't have to do the blurb anymore I don't have Huh no blurb What do I do for two minutes whether it's a hybrid meeting or we are hybrid though right okay
do the blur That's right I I got used to doing that Welcome everybody to the regularly stated meeting of the Yarmouth Conservation Commission This is the commission meeting for Thursday April 3rd 2025 Just to let you know this is a uh hybrid meeting Uh we have both
inerson and uh Zoom uh attendance Our first order of business is a continued notice of intent for SE83-2461 Environmental Consulting and Restoration LLC for Brian and Patricia Clifford 36 Bent Bluffs Lane proposed
addition within the buffer zone to bordering vegetative wetland You have it yeah A minor minor change I don't think Oh thank you Okay Good evening members of the commission Brad Holmes with the environmental
consulting restoration here for the continued notice of intent for 36 Ben Bluff Uh Patty and Brian Clifford are on the line as well Uh at some point they'd like to address the commission Um but we
have revised the proposal to address the the comments and concerns from the commission's past meeting which picked up the fact that there was activities in the buffer zone that were not permitted So we're remedying that with the removal
of the hot tub that's was in the uh inner buffer zone and a patio that was in the inner buffer zone So we're moving the patio and relocating a new patio outside of the 50ft buffer in that that area towards the outer buffer zone out
towards 100 foot about 200 square ft of a pvious patio And then we're proposing a 10x10 uh pad for the hot tubs that will be moved out of the 50t buffer zone and put at that uh south area below the
proposed addition And we're also uh beefed up the mitigation planting area so that we reveate the 50-foot buffer zone where there is uh uh opportunity There's uh you can see there the tree line there's
some area within disturbed within the 50ft buffer zone that can be reveated and we're proposing to extend beyond that uh into that area just outside the 50oot in the north side of the the page So we're proposing a 1350 square ft of
mitigation planting area I did get a chance to coordinate with Britney and address a couple of the comments she had was to move the low bush blueberry shrubs that were proposed under the deck Just move them closer to the edge and
increase the planting uh so that the spacing is tighter which we've we've done and we've added that uh plant list to the plan So with what we've been able to do since the last meeting is um address the patio and the hot tub to
remove those uh reveate that area and relocate anything that was uh constructed that wouldn't be permittable outside the 50ft buffer Uh there is also a hot tub dry well proposed so that any
uh discharge from water from the hot tub would go into the proposed dry well there wouldn't be any discharge down the slope to add to the wetland system Um with that I'll bring it back to the commission Okay thanks Brad Uh questions
from the commission Hey Britney are you all set yeah I appreciate uh your attention to detail on this one Thank you Thank you Anybody in the audience have any comments or questions on this one is there anybody on Zoom
i just have a question I'm so sorry Yeah Um you speak in the Wait Ellie I'm sorry I'm sorry Yeah you can't You can't ask because you weren't part of the quorum Sorry about that I I should have mentioned mentioned that before Oh okay I thought only if she's in support she
can speak If she's against it she can't I'm sorry I'm only kidding That's a Yeah that's a joke Uh what do you know uh unless there's any further uh discussion among the board would someone like to make a motion to approve the project with
special conditions so moved There's a second Second All those in favor i opposed Carries unanimously Thank you very much Thanks Brad Thank you
Just irrigation I didn't know if it impacted anything The irrigation Yeah that's a great right Uh next order of business is a new notice of intent for SC83-2470 William Hearn 104 River Street
This proposed replacement and an elevation of a seaw wall fill and tree removal within the riverfront area coastal bank velocity flood zone and buffer zone to a coastal bank Good evening Mr Chairman Good evening members For the record my name is Kieran
Healey I'm a land surveyor with the BSC Group and with me tonight is Billy Han the owner of the property Um as you mentioned we're looking to uh replace the existing uh wooden wall that is out there and raise it approximately 2 ft from where it is today Um
the we have been in front of this board to get a um pier permitted on this property which is still a valid license and we're in the midst of chapter 91 permitting on that right now Um this wall will also have to go to chapter 91 for repering Um
what we're looking to do is to um remove the wall and excavate to put in uh what we call dead men which are just basically wooden posts under the ground that serve as an anchor system so that the wall is stable And uh once that is complete we will back fill and we will
uh we place some stone on the on against the wall Uh we have a 3-ft wide gravel buffer strip and then we will plant the area behind the buffer strip with um variety of plants as listed in the uh planting pallet Um we are looking to uh
remove some trees on the north side that we're going to replace with addition with trees in kind Um and we're going to remove some trees on the south side that we're going to replace with um bushes We're put proposing uh tree bushes for every tree in that area Um if I can
answer any details on the the trees if if you need to Um we had seen the comments from um D where they talked about um salt marsh above the wall Um I went out there myself today and even though I'm not a
plant specialist I couldn't see any um indication of salt marsh above the seaw wall Um which would be approximately um 3 ft above the high tide line So um I don't know if Britney have you been out there to to check on that but as I say I
did not see any salt mass rashes grasses above the uh the existing wall Um we had also uh submitted for the you can see that there was a deck out there on the side That deck has been there since 1956 approximately Uh we have old photographs
from when it was originally put in Um and it has been there in that position on it shows up on the old plans and old permits Um we had requested putting in a roof on this but um I think
that it's something the conservation commission may have a problem with So we talked about it again and the reason we were looking put in a roof is that Mr Hound's uh mother comes out She's 87 She likes to sit on that spot and the sun is just too much So we were going to um
request that we remove the idea of a fixed roof but that the commission might allow us put in a canvas canopy in the summertime that would be removed in the winter time So I think it would it would do what we need to do which is basically just give some of the shade that's out there And um other than that I'd be glad
to answer any questions that you may have Okay Thank you Karen Uh questions from the board Just on your path you had not noted you're going to put a shell path Um wonder if you could just consider just leaving it natural path instead of the
shelves just sure Yeah no problem Can we can we maintain 4t wide natural path Mhm Uh yeah just on the dead men um I was out there those it looks like in the
drawing those are are those metal rods that go that hold they can either be metal rods basically you put in a sleeper about 20 ft back uh landscape tie 20 ft back that's buried about 4 ft and then you connect it It can be metal rods or it can be wood as well but most
likely metal rods Is it is it seemed like pretty far back from the wall So um is there a requirement as far as the um structural integrity of the wall to have that as far back they're going to be covered anyway right they are going to be
covered We generally try and keep them at 15 to 20 ft back Oh okay I mean you could put it less than that but you'd probably put in more uh ties if you had it less than that So this is kind of a spaced out evenly along along there Yep
Okay All right Thanks Hi Speaking of the um existing the five trees to be removed um could you speak to how they will be removed and how you're protecting any potential impact um at those locations because of the
removal actually the removal is a is a result pretty much of the dead men having to be excavated in that area So we're not going to protect them at all We're actually going to dig everything up in that area which is the reason the trees are coming out And then we're going to plant the trees a little bit as
I said to the west of the dead men So they'll be in the same general location They'll just be a little bit further back from the ocean or from the river in that location So you're going to excavate for the dead men and at the same time remove the trees Yes Oh yeah It'll be all one machine that comes in
And the bigger machines what they do is generally what they do is they just pull the tree over and they pull the stump right out of there as well So there's no no major excavation for the tree It's more of just a pull it down slowly and take it out That's what I was getting at Okay Thank you
But just to clarify the deadman can't go in without a lot of excavation That has to happen That's just the only way that these things come up Is there any thought about using um the next door neighbors used a helal
helical and they weren't they didn't seem to be as aggressively disturbing um they were pros and cons to the helical ankles um I've used them in the past myself in this particular location we went with
the the wood and the and the pines that thing is even though there's excavation within a few days it's all backfilled It's all stable and the wall is outside ited as well So it's not like there's going to be any erosion from the excavation You know it'd be different if it was a slope down to the water but the
first thing that'll happen here will be the vertical wall will be constructed and then the excavation will be behind it So there's no going to be runoff of mud or anything like that with the excavation down into the river So it will be if that's the reason you're questioning it then it will be stable and there won't be any runoff into the
river question just to carry that through though But the point behind the reason you're excavating is so you can put the dead men in But if you if you could use a helical structure instead then you wouldn't have to excavate Is that
correct correct The one of the reasons that we're we didn't go with the helicals is that the ground at the base of the wall is pretty uh high So as a result to get in a bulge or something like that it
would bottom out during construction and we didn't want that to happen So we we went that was one of the reasons that we went with the wood and the pilings is so that we wouldn't that we'd be able to get the job done because you can you can see that the mean low water is actually
below the um the ground sorry the ground adjacent to wall is above the low water So as a result any barge would bottom out on the sand in front of the wall If you worked two hours on either side of high tide would a barge be able to not
ground [Music] um yes Theoretically yes But you're reducing the amount of time that somebody can do the job And but we routinely put that stipulation in
So we prevent barges from doing it We do that all the time with with the ox right [Music] yeah I just haven't had one where the barge was restricted or a badge was required in front of this board So I'm
not aware of what you'd normally do I mean I'd like some I don't know I I' I'd hope that you might be able to reconsider that but uh you know if you can't and you and you're insist on going through with the dead men
uh then I don't necessar I'd like to see some trees getting put back into the into the landscape rather than just doing shrubs because it's just not something that to remove seven trees and replace
with 20 21 shrubs I don't know that that's what I would consider an even uneven trade I think the most important part I mean is that we're you're proposing to excavate at least how far from the wall this is like
15 ft and you said the length of the dead men has to be excavated and they're 15 to 20 feet Yes That's part of the no disturb zone So if there is an option to use the helicals where we don't have to disturb the no disturb zone except for the fill for the edge of the wall that
we're raising that would be preferred I mean I can see that point but the only thing I'll say is that we can't replace the dead wall Sorry we can't replace the wooden wall without excavating all of the wooden wall So we will have to excavate and remove all of that with machinery from from the upland We would
not replace that wall from a barge You just couldn't you wouldn't carry in all that equipment on a barge to when you got the upland right there and the bank is stable So like it all has to be removed by hand and by machine There's just no way around that But how far So
like if you need to excavate all the trees are at least sevenish feet or more away from the wall and at least some of them would be able to be saved Is that correct or you how far do you think you need to excavate if you're not putting in the dead men
somewhere between 7 and 10 ft Maybe a little bit less I don't know Okay question Ellie what I don't see on what I have in front of me um or in the documents is is the transition if you will between the existing
um wall as you call it and the new bulkhead and if there's any exposure in infiltration or what have you You don't show any detail of that Well we're proposing to remove the entire wall that's there but I mean on the adjacent
property where there is one I mean there's doesn't seem like there's contin there will be continuity It kind of looks chopped up uh if you will And I just want to make sure that you've addressed where it transitions into the existing you
know so that you have continuous protection against sea level rise etc etc Well I think our wall is going to be about approximately half a foot to a foot higher than the adjacent ones Um one of the reasons for that is as we as
these walls get replaced they always seem to be going a little bit higher because the water's getting higher So the reason if you out there one of the reasons we're doing this is that the current tide levels are coming over the top And even out there today I could see the salt marsh not salt marsh but the
the debris the rack um being floated up and over the top of the wall So as a result we're building this up to um eliminate that water coming over the top of the wall and it will flow then you know water flows to where it can So it
will flow to the adjacent lower property I mean the lower properties I just it just seems unfortunate You know I you're doing a good thing raising the wall to where it should be but you know these transitions
may be there for a while And I don't know the solution but I I just you know want to make sure that if we could just have a look at that one photograph right there you can see that the Mr Helm's wall is completely covered in that the wall has come up right over the top of it And then that's the neighbor's wall
above us to the north Oh actually that's looking south Um so that that wall is already higher than our wall So okay So she's higher She's higher right now Yes Both higher Both both sides So they've already done their work to get it higher We're the lowest one And that's why
we've got the water coming over the top Okay So which is causing the erosion behind it So in 20 years it'll be topping it again At the current rate of the water level rising it is definitely a concern Yes
There's no master plan Anybody else paul Yeah I just have um just just so I understand And I know that you're planning tree removal and I see the the um drawing with the dead men and so on and so forth And so you have
to remove the trees because of the excavation for the dead men Is that correct correct Yes Some of them for the dead men and some of them because they're just so close to the wall Yeah Be because the trees are so close to the wall Yeah The there's two on the north
that are right at I see Yeah Yeah Yeah It may be possible to save those but um we didn't want to take the chance So we said we were going to replace trees We're taking out five up there and we're going to replace the five up there Okay All right Um
so so the removing the trees again is all about the construction you have to do with the wall and the dead men and so on so forth Um and you're proposing 21 shrubs You couldn't put in maybe trees farther back from the from the
wall Are you I mean would it would it make a difference in terms of trees or shrubs as as far as the um I don't know ecological integrity of that of that area it's a funny thing but a a shrub will
actually grow quicker and establish a root system quicker than a tree will So it might actually be a when you put it like that it's more of a positive to put in shrubs Okay Well you know how much we like trees though I Yes I That's why I wasn't saying that I wasn't going there
till you brought it up but um but Okay All right I understand Thank you Okay Anybody else britney anything else yeah the only other thing I had um is
that I really want to see the Hila anchors but other than that if we're excavating all of the area up to the end of the Dead Men that whole area should be replanted not just the 13 ft minus 3 plus for the gravel Um so we don't have any bare area It should
all be covered Even if you're going to just do ground covers Oh we're perfectly fine with putting ground cover Yeah So I just want to see the whole area that's being excavated which is ideally going out to the end of these dead men right yep To
be planted with something Yeah We don't have a problem putting ground cover to cover all of the deadman area This is not by any means meant to be a lawn in any fashion Do you need to see it
revised plan for that i'd like to Yes I mean uh are you okay with the approving it on its own just with the revised plan or do you want us do you want us to take a look at it again
if the only thing we're changing is the number of trees and ground covers I'm fine with approving that And also the pathway And no roof No roof Take out the shallow We got to take out the roof Still still good with it or do you
all just the whole project there Britney and we won't have to worry about it It's like just y They're all minor things So we can definitely take care of I mean I' I've heard that helicals are also a cheaper way are they not more cost effective than putting the dead men in since you're not doing all the
excavation I'm not an engineer and I understand they're just two options that engineers and contractors prefer to use I just don't see the big downsides of the helicals for for why you don't want to use them They're cheaper to purchase Okay But they're more expensive to
install because you have to use a barge Oh it's a wash I don't know the numbers I really don't Would it be possible just to I mean you you're basically taking the trees out on both
ends and because of the because of the dead men that you're putting in there Would it be possible to just perhaps just use the helicals for those where then you wouldn't Oh then you're still Never mind You're still Sorry about that
Now the the site is pretty fared So I mean there were quite an amount of trees on the site Um I realize we're taking out trees but when you go back but um you know if the if the commission is really concerned about the trees being
removed and only replaced with shrubs we can um replace some of those trees somewhere else so they're not on the dead men and still have the same amount of trees left when we finish the project as there is today just moved them to a different location So it's it's not so much we're
looking to get rid of trees and only plant shrubs was just that we don't want to plant trees where the dead men are So we can if the commission is okay with us putting the same number of trees the five on the north side and the seven on the south side back on the plan So we add 12 trees back when we're done Um
then we're okay with that And so there's a problem with planting trees above the dead men as well Yes Because you're saying that because of you just don't want to have to be in this situation again Is that is that the idea that's part of it Yes as Jack
mentioned come back in 20 years We don't want to say we want to move the trees again Okay I'll go one more time Sorry I know I'm new and I'm a pain in the butt here Um frankly um it's um it it seems like
it's overkill and and I'm concerned that in plan view where you have the hatched area it's going to be a mess You're going to excavate what you need to excavate to get those in where you you know you're doing the math there and you're saying you know they're 20 foot
broads but you're you know your plan view of the impact doesn't really reflect that And so consequently you're you're disturbing a lot of land that is that would be unnecessary if you did an alternate um
tieback system It it just seems like um it's it's overkill and I mean I'm leaning a little bit towards my my engineering background but I I mean you're not why would you
have to do such overkill when the adjacent properties are addressing the same issue and they're withstanding you know the risk But if I could and the other if you're going to do this then show accurately in plan view the the impact
area because you you do have trees to es you I don't think the trees will come down with the excavation of the dead man It's going to be sort of an a mass you know an excavation and then get the deadman in and I just don't think that the plan view the hatched area
reflects what will be impacted by this Well the hatch area is what we had proposed for mitigation not so much the impact area Yeah So now that we've agreed to put in a ground cover over all of the dead men then you know when I
submit a plan to um Britany I can include additional plantings along the back side of those dead men And when we put in the deadmond what happens is that they dig out a trench for the post that goes parallel to the water and they set that down deep and then they just excavate a
trench to the water So they don't dig up the entire 100 ft long and strip it all down So they put one parallel to the water and then they run the one perpendicular to the water Yeah So not every inch of this entire site is going to be excavated in this area And then
you have the trees Yeah Yeah I I Yeah I see exactly what you're saying I think I think you definitely need to improve the the planting area increase it If that's I mean if this is the only way you got to go then that's that would
be the least that I would I would say would be appropriate then Yeah And as I said we're perfectly fine with adding ground cover that entire you know 12 ft back from where I stopped that hatch area if you will which will cover all of the dead men very
[Music] easily Sometimes my plans have so many lines that they confuse people So try that's why we put the sub sketch on the left just to show how the deadman would look Just from an alternatives analysis perspective I don't know why we wouldn't
require the lowest impact alternative if one exists Well this is Riverfront so we should be doing that That's another good point That motion We could ask that they do that Could you repeat that for this end of
the table please so in the riverfront area an alternatives analysis required is required which they've provided but one of the options wasn't to use helical anchors which is a lower impact option that does currently exist to complete the same goal Um so that is something that the board can consider requiring
since it is a lower impact option I think that would make sense Jack what's the lifetime of the wood versus the helico i mean the helical are metal of some sort I don't believe you can buy them
stainless steel Um but I'm not going to tell you they they might last 50 years I'm not going to tell you And it would be it would and the dead the dead men in the it they can last 50 years as well So as far as time frame I wouldn't expect a
huge amount of difference With few exceptions everybody in this room will be dead before they I plan on living to 110 So I'm I'll be here except for Kieran Um but uh just one other thing on the helical Um when we drive
the helical in the areas of the trees we're going to potentially kill the root system of those trees and we have no choice but to put in some dead men in those general areas And we're not opposed to the helical piles just so you know we don't have an opposition to that But there are negatives as well with
them in that some of them will be going right through the root system because you don't put them down like that you put them you know almost horizontal just at a small angle going backwards to get the best in the same angle that you have right there on the screen
But I would also say that you have a better chance of the tree I guarantee that I guarantee if you put the men in the tree are going to the trees are going to be dead If if you use the helicals uh then there's a good chance that they they may survive So that would
be my but I I I think you should probably put all of that into uh as another alternative to under the alternatives analysis of the of the project So and write just put it all down so that everybody can can consider
it of the same the same information uh all at once So instead of asking about a peace meal I think that's a better way to do it or we can vote Oh no No I'm not looking for a negative vote by any means I'm just trying to understand exactly what you're looking for Are you looking for
me to show an alternative analysis or are you looking me to come back with a helical pile plan i think the helical pile would would certainly be uh something I think the board is would like you to consider Uh and if you are not going to consider or if you're not
going to do that then we wouldn't need to see at least a written uh uh analysis of why you can't do it or you won't do it That's that seems fair enough Let me let me just be a little bit more
um simple I guess that system was designed for I think applications like this where you have a very precarious area and then you can be selective where you put them instead of this you know open excavation for the deadman So I I
would highly recommend that that we look at that as an alternate scheme and and therefore it would be another um would we would be looking at another plan with that with that alternate and and then I mean it
you know it will involve a different area of mitigation and and less trees to be removed It's a whole different plan but but in the interest of impact to to the to the land and and um I I think it's something that we
should look at as a complete alternate and what it what impact it has as far as mitigation Yeah I mean you wouldn't have to generate the plan but you would certainly have to you need to generate a a proper alternatives analysis add it to one of your as as one of your
alternatives I think that's what the board is asking Unless you just want to propose it right or what unless that's something you just want to go with as in a revised plan to use the helicals Yeah I mean if you wanted to switch over to the helical
and and put it in as a that is your plan of record that would be another that's another alternative But um Ed Jack what kind of trees how tall what's the diameter it's on the bottom
left Okay Okay The biggest one is a 12 in oak That one While you're all Could I ask another question please Yeah Um I I'm I'm listening to this and you know actually
the plan looks fairly reasonable to me but I don't know enough about helicals So could you in a maybe two sentences tell me what the difference between a helical and a and a dead man happen to be i guess I'd describe it as you're driving a screw into the ground So
you're not displacing all the ground around it to get at it You're just going in on the screw and it just It's a foot and a half in diameter It's not small by any big but basically it's a screw that just goes right into the ground You ever hit anything like a big
rock and you can't get it through um if you do hit a big big rock it's not going through Stops It stops Yeah I'm not saying there's going to be any on this site you know but sand if you But it would be it would be in the ground on the same side as the as the
bedman right or no correct Yeah It's driven from the ocean and it's driven So you take the wall down and you put those things in Correct Yeah Because all that's left of them is there's kind of a 3-in diameter bar in the middle Yeah And then you have
the the wings if you will of the screw sticking coming out But there's a 3-in diameter goes down the middle And at the end the 3-in diameter is that would be where it's connect First of all how it's driven And then second of all how the wall is connected to it I see So it
would be inside the wall is where you would put Okay It's I I don't you know in some ways that sounds more disruptive than the dead men because the dead men it seems to me excavate along the wall You put them in you cover it up No No
it's not What it's both along the wall Oh I know It goes out farther I was out there I know where the stakes are But you you excavate out that area You put the dead men in and then you you refill it right
yeah So with with these you don't they only have to excavate near the wall to take the old wall out and they just drill through the ground Yeah Okay All right Well thank you Thank you One last Sure
Do you are you familiar enough or the engineers are familiar enough with the soils and things they or they going to have to go in there for helical to test and be sure that it's going far enough big enough good question Uh we haven't done soil
testing on this side but there was soil testing done on the other side of 103 which is directly across the road own by Mr as well And um the soils there were um typical medium sand sea nothing nothing unusual in it
Um these would just be designed to have a Jeez I can't think of the word Um a wave or something like that it's called on that helical pile Actually it was a bit up there No um it would be oops the diameter of it needs to be wide
enough so that there's no pullback That's what drive that's right how those are designed and you can't put in something small because it's not going to have enough right So but there's a lot of variable in in that based on the
soil or not But yeah this would be designed for sandy soil This wouldn't be designed for obviously anything else but this would be designed for soil Well everyone anything else written anything else anybody in the audience have any comments questions
on this anybody on Zoom do you want to take some time or um is your mind met up made up we uh I think we're going to look for continuence Go back and see what we can do And um
and the the name of those um Paul flights That's what the on the outside of the helical scoop they're called flights Thank you So So April 17 or May 1st um if we could get on for April 17th and then if by chance we're not ready I will
just ask for continuence We'll plan to be ready because we want to get the get both the pier and the wall going at the same time We'll aim for the 17th Thank you very much for your time Thank you
All those in sorry is there a motion to to continue this to uh April 17th so moved There second Second All those in favor i opposed Carry unanimous See it Thank you Thank you Karen
Next order of business is another notice of intent for SE3-2472 Matt Snowb Powers Lane proposed elevation of foundation in addition with patio and retaining wall within land subject coastal storm flowage and buffer
zone to a coastal dune Good evening Uh Matt Layman engineer with Strong Tree Engineering uh representing the homeowner the Sang family and the architect 88 West which I believe Yeah there's Matthew Snow on the Zoom there
Um so this project uh primarily is to raise the existing building uh which will be raised with block Uh so the existing foundation will remain and the height will be elevated with masonry block Uh a small addition
on the north side which you see uh the right plan is the proposed left is existing On the top of the right one it shows new addition Uh next will be raising of the grade around the front yard area and
installation of a small retaining wall on uh two sides of the property And finally proposing an access ramp um on the west side of the building Um and with that pvious pavers
that help um the transition between the driveway and the ramp and stairs and also um don't necessitate a vent covering up the existing leech field Uh the existing septic system will remain
[Applause] [Music] the 0 to 50 buffer to the dune is not there's no work being proposed inside of that Um approximately 3,000 square ft of work is being proposed in the 50 to 100
foot buffer Two storm chambers are being proposed um to take roof runoff from the building There is some vegetation um noted if you look on the existing plan sort of all
around the north and east side of the property and then uh on the north side of P Lane along the southern property line and sort of at the corner of the two roads there's a little beach grass
um called out there So uh we don't intend on disturbing any of the vegetation but if any is disturbed uh it will be replicated And regardless of whether it's disturbed or not we are proposing uh that mitigation planting in
the uh that sort of little island there Um I think that pretty much covers it Oh the entire area is in the you know the flood zone AE flood elevation 11 Um land subject to coastal storm
flowage Um I think that's it and I'll turn it over to the board if you have questions please Okay thank you Uh questions from the board Nobody I'll ask a question Um Did you outline somewhere that I may have missed um what plants you're
planning to plant with mitigation it's not included on the plan Uh we didn't provide a detailed planting plan Um it is beach grass and that's just what we proposed offh hand but whatever you'd like we can we can put and add to the
plan if you require We will just need some sort of detail about the plantings the specific species Okay I just have a technical question maybe that that you might be able to help me with because on the the property information it says that the soil is
designated as um you know the Hooks and Doom land complex which which is Sand Doom Um and then the the next the the sentence above that says the site is located within 100 feet of a coastal
dune Um so I'm just a little confused on um I and I didn't get to the site I wasn't able to access it I Are we with Are we in dunes i mean the soil designation is sand dunes And
so the actual dune is off the view to the southwest of the property across the street Yeah And then shown is the 50ft buffer to dune Yeah And the 100 foot buffer So no work is being proposed in a dune resource
but yet the soil that's from the USGS NRCS web survey It's a GIS It's not precise not based on field information Sort of just a general reference to the soil type in terms of um texture
textural class So it's not sand is what you're saying It is sandy But that's not what makes a dune Uh according to the statute Yeah Ellie I um pulled up the aerial This this
neighborhood is right next to the beach and at some point this was Dune but the dune end This is the dune for the resource area and this is the lot So it is right across the street from the mapped dune and the resource area
delineated Yeah Okay But this is now just part of their lawn across the street from the Yeah But while we're talking about the comments um I it does say right underneath that that no wetland resource
areas are on site and I would request a revised plan in removing that comment since there is a coastal dune across the street which is I just don't want confusion No the Yeah the resource the buffer is a resource That's true I will amend that But I don't have any issues with the
proposed project Anybody else anybody on the in the audience on this one there uh somebody has their hand raised Um can anybody read who that is
it's a iPad number iPad Um lost Hello Hi New new iPad Could you please state your name for the record steven Cohen 52
Do you have a comment um yes I live next door to the to 50 powers Lane and I'm just curious is the intent of the owner to continue to uh use this as rental property or as uh
her personal residence Uh but I'm I'm not sure Sorry Um I I know this may not be the forum for it but um No it's it's not the forum for this Okay We you have to ask if you have comments that as it relates to the
wetlands protection act and or the town of Yarmouth wetlands bylaw Uh that would be appropriate but zoning and use and occupancy is not in our purview Okay Thank you Thank you
If I can be heard via Zoom Oops There's my profile picture Uh I'm the architect uh Matthew and I I'd be happy to speak in um kind of give a little more explanation also to Stephen I'd be happy to speak with you outside of this
meeting about anything you want to know about the project Um but uh I appreciate everybody's time to listen to our proposal and I think uh the only thing I wanted to add to what Matthew said is just kind of the the context and why
we're we're doing this um the family is interested in renovating the property and if we're renovating more than 50% of the value of course we want to um include flood mitigation and bring it up to the current flood levels plus 1 ft of
freeboard elevation uh the owner of the property uh Melanie Sang she is older it's difficult to occ to to access the property with a lot of steps and so the reason for proposing fill in the front yard is really to help mitigate um the
access for for the owner um so in addition to some fill in the front yard to give a more gradual transition to the entry we're also uh as Matt explained proposing an accessible ramp on the west side of the property So um and that is
really the only additional coverage um on the site is is adding this access ramp in addition to raising it up to um current flood levels So happy to answer any other questions but thank you all for your time Okay thank you Anybody
else on Zoom how many cars will be packed on the street anybody else on Zoom last chance Right Unless there's any further
discussion among the board would somebody like to make a motion to approve the project with special conditions no And that's I'm sorry with a revised plan Um what is the referencing the uh uh resource area on the on the uh property
and detailed plant species for the mitigation area She asked for that Yeah I'm sorry You're good The proposed planting plan and just like Oh and the proposed I'm sorry Okay Uh do I have a motion of that effect i do U second
Thank you All those in favor opposed unanimously Thank you very much for your time Next order of business is another new notice of intent for
SE83-2468 Uh Peter Fairbanks 41 Uncle Roberts Road proposed replacement of existing twoft wide wooden walkway with a 3 and 1/2t wide seasonal MOAmat and construction of stairs and elevated deck
within a coastal dune and its buffer and the velocity flood zone Uh good evening I'm Paul Sheay with Independent Environmental Consultants Um here with Asa Mintz who's the project engineer Uh we're both working for Peter
Fairbanks Um this application uh before you is a notice of intent Currently there is an old wooden walkway that leads from his patio down to the uh to the coastal beach uh in Nantucket Sound
And the this it's basically two wooden planks that is sort of held together by wooden ties underneath it And it's in disrepair and sections of it are
actually bending up and uh Mr Fairbags wants to get a safer way to get down to to the beach So what he'd like to do is um he's proposing to use a MOI mat which is a removable mat system It's three
point 3.25 ft wide and it will extend from where his existing patio is in the backyard of the uh property And it extends a little bit of work in the 100
foot buffer zone There is work the mobile map will be in the 50ft buffer zone It then enters into the coastal dune which takes it down um eventually to a place where we want to there was a
path before leading right through an elevated portion of the dune and we want to reveate that area and the pathway is going to bend to the right a little bit and there will be an elevated boardwalk
system uh narrow It's 3 ft wide and there's going to be a small sitting sitting area for two people within it and there's a um section of removable stair leading up to it and then there's another section on the other end leading
down to the coastal beach Um the moi map can be taken in so it's not there in the winter season Uh we are proposing uh to replant with American beach grass and barberry Uh the again we'd start with
the open cut right through the dune to replant that area and stabilize the sand and then there's some other open pockets of sand along um within the coastal dune area that we could plant in and even
plant adjacent to where the moi mat is So uh there's plenty of opportunities to do that here And um this project was before you uh for an exist there's an existing notice of intent an order of
conditions out for when he built the a house He rebuilt the h um a new house and the patio in the backyard And um I think we may be talking about that a little later on in in your hearing for in terms of a partial certificate of
compliance with this project Um DP has issued a a file number with no comments Uh file number 83-2468 Uh we did file with Natural Heritage We made a Mesa filing with Natural Heritage and
uh that file number is 25-19314 Natural Heritage issued a letter on March 18th of 2025 um basically giving an approval for the project and it gave a list of conditions um in terms of you know the construction
of you know where we want to work in the dune and the time of year and so forth the in in their letter the species that they mentioned protected species is piping clover and so no big surprise
there Um and we can certainly do this project and work around the uh constraints with the endangered species um happy to answer any questions and uh so either I can open answer them or you
know the project engineer Paul questions from the board um I do just want to um acknowledge your use of the the helical soil anchors and and I
appreciate that um that okay thank you The purpose of those is just primarily to prevent any flotation you know where this is down along right along the shoreline you know sort of a belt and suspenders kind of approach you
know Yeah I mean you have a three ton pull out cap So yeah they're pretty sturdy So and the stainless steel and all I didn't see those birds I was curious on what they look
like It's not deer Okay Anybody else yeah Just one uh thing I was out there It's an amazing piece of property Place I I didn't understand there to be any problem with a MOI map because it could be taken in and so on
and so forth Certainly would be preferable to what's there now it seems Yes Um we we did notice that and I think it would be addressed in a little while the um Vista pruning that was done without permit So um maybe maybe uh I
don't know if this would be appropriate time to talk about it but I'll leave that up to Britney I actually just found out about that before the meeting tonight I came in to see Britney and she mentioned it So um that's something new to us but um
clearly landscaper went in there or you to do do pruning and that we have no permit to do that So and we anything in terms of you know restoring that area or or whatever I think the property owner
will be open to that because um certainly didn't know that was going to be done before I came in here for a hearing tonight So it's a surprise to me and surprise to the engineer So hopefully we can you know we can talk about that and hopefully just get an
agreement on how to you know amend that situation Yeah So what are we looking to do with this one with the as far as that uh unpermitted cutting goes is it something we can just leave um so I'm
here are a couple photos You can see these pine trees There are oaks in there as well pretty level cut at around six feet Um some places lower Same on the other side Oaks pines everything cut flat Um some of them were up to 3 4
inches diameter some larger but it definitely was I think it might be best to talk about during the COC they have a COC later for the other project but it's certainly we can also add it as a special condition on this if it's issued
tonight that no topping has been approved Um but maybe addressing the enforcement of it in the COC hearing Yeah I mean I I would say either that or as a separate enforcement hearing completely So would be more appropriate but I I definitely agree You should
definitely add a a special condition that says no vesta pruning without any fur without the prior the landscapers did not make my day [Music] Uh all right Anything else Britney yeah
for the project at that's proposed My only question is that you're proposing 466 square feet or 508 ft of permanent or temporary impacts Um you've identified some random spots to be
filled in Do we have an estimate of the area of those bare areas so what are we able to replant is it anywhere close to the to the impact well we have I think we have a calculation for the for the first part on the slope of the dune where we're
going to be you know Yeah that says 42 square feet correct and within the three open areas um actually it looks like it's more like that It's like more like 1 2 3 4 five There's at least five areas of open sand that we can easily replant
But if I recall being out in the field is that if um if the ocean's at my back and coming up to the right there's actually almost almost looks like an old pathway that sort of went off like a little spur And there's you know there's
area there to plant So we have plenty of places to plant to to do extra mitigation work uh if that's what the commission wants And the the dominant species out there in the dune is um American beach grass which it's fairly
easy to put in you know planting with plugs in it I mean all the jobs I've done with American beach grass I've never seen it not take It's uh long as it's got the right sandy conditions and that's what we have here So we would do whatever mitigation that that the
commission needs Okay Okay So we don't have a value on that But the only other thing that I would ask or recommend when you're putting the MOI mat is there a need to to level off the surface it's I mean
when you remove these wooden planks um do you expect there to be huge divots that you need to regrade um otherwise if you put the Moby bat over the the bear berry as it is right now it you know it's going to be there
the whole season but it you wouldn't be excavating it Are you proposing to remove everything within the 3.25 ft wide or are you just placing the Moby Mat right on the beach i'll address that I I think I think you have to take out that additional width because the you
know two 2 by8 boards and then you know you've got a three and a quarter foot wide MOI mat Okay I think for that to be effective is you you know by hand just you know cut back to that 3 and a/4 ft Um you know grade out a little bit just
to flatten it out a little bit because there's going to be some divots in there and then lay the mob mat in and stake the MOI mat in beyond that I think laying it laying it over what's there right now would probably defeat the purpose of maybe uh you know providing
you know a better you know better access for for the Fairbanks Okay just another Are you all setting yeah I just have one about the Moby Mat Um it's going to be taken up in the off season I think you
said So would that be like in October or something and then put down in Right I think something Yeah I think I mentioned in the application was that to you know we would be probably putting the the mobile back in around June June 1st or
whatever Okay And then leaving it in place till like maybe towards the end of October and then taking it out So it'll be out for the winter storm season So that and and so forth and then you know it's very simple We just roll it back out again So
So speaking of winter storms also I would hope water doesn't come up that high but is it secured well enough so that it doesn't become like a floating um piece of debris i mean it's sections right it's um it it can be in
varying length sections but it is pinned with 18inch uh basically staples more or less so to prevent any flotation Um it gets put down and basically stretched Okay And then and then anchored into the ground So it is it is fixed and it's fixed not just at the beginning and the
end but all along all along the side too Okay Thanks Ellie Um yeah it it is such beautiful landscape and um I just want to understand that it looks like you calculated how much fill you will need
to level it off I think it's like a truckload of sand You said 10 cubic yards Somehow you came up with that calculation of the sand needed to level it off Um I just want to know how you plan on doing that Is that hand is that
hand work you're not bringing in anything um impactful I mean it's you know how are you going to No this this would all be hand work It would be it'd be I mean it's only three and a/4t wide so you know um Yeah I don't know that
you could even get a machine down there with really disturbing beyond that So it would just be a matter of you know cutting you know staking cutting the width of the mat Yep pulling it out by hand wheelbarrowing it out Good wheelbarrow And then um yeah and then
just bringing a little bit of sand in just to level it out and kind of make the make the moldy mat flat Okay thank you And the same with the same with the boardwalk as well You know I think that would all be you know that could all be done by hand as well
It's not a particularly big structure It's pretty small Mhm You'd be doing that every year some at least Moby Mat no Excavating or smoothing out being sure I think a little bit Yeah maybe You know and if you had a big storm and you had to
replace a little bit maybe but uh probably more likely just raking out flattening and then putting it back in So that would be a condition to do that continuously by hand and so forth Yeah Hand work only Yeah
I have one more question Um where the boardwalk's going in do you need to remove this vegetation or are you building the boardwalk right on top i think we can leave it right I mean obviously where the post for there is like this big woody shrub here I know you probably have to take out but the rest um between the boardwalk and what's
existing there'll be some vegetation removed but we can account for that in whatever mitigation that you you know require whether it's two to one or whatever Um but the intent is to you know of the boardwalk is to keep the vegetation Okay
great Thank you Anybody else anybody in the audience on this one anybody on Zoom have any comments or questions on this this uh site if not would somebody like to make a
motion uh to approve the project with special conditions including uh including the NHGSP uh time of year restrictions and other comments from them uh the MOI mats would be seasonally deployed Are you missing
anything okay Would somebody like make that motion so moved Second Was that Paul Or Jack no Paul Call All those in favor i
opposed carries unanimously Thank you Thank you Our next order of business is a continued request for certificate compliance for SE83-2161 Paul Butler for 164 Driftwood
Lane And I think Jack is this one right jack you are not part of the quorum for this this coming Yep Yes
Who wants to start do you want to go ahead yep Good evening Mr Chairman Again for the record my name is Kieran Healey I'm a land surveyor with the BSC group Um after our last meeting I went out to the site in a rainstorm to see where the water was coming from They created the runoff Um it looks like it's coming down
through the middle of the lawn There are two specific areas So what we have planned to do is if the commission is agreeable is to put in two um trench drains right at the edge of those two low spots to capture the water and then
to remove all of the mulch completely and to remove the filter fabric completely completely and then um planted with a wildflower mix in that area There are some higher trees in the area So we're not sure how much will grow in the entire area but it should stabilize the
soil specifically around the areas where the runoff is right now And um that is our plan to go forward and we just want to be sure that the commission was okay with that before we went to the expense of doing it So again that's the removal of all the mulch and the filter fabric putting in
stone at the edge of the lawn where the issues are and then planting with wild flowers So the trench drain would be like right on the lawn side of the planting bed Correct It would be Yeah Right at right right where the interface between the
lawn and planting blade is the infiltration on in under the lawn Um well the with a a trench drain basically it's you're not creating a large structure You're creating kind of a stone box that runs parallel for a
little bit and Okay But there were two specific areas I mean just the way the dips are out there where the ground is that there were two specific areas So not planning to run it the entire length just in the areas where the lawn is naturally going to right now
Okay Any questions i'm sorry Did you want to do anything first Britney or No that sounds good Good Anybody from the board have any questions no questions So everybody agreed you think that's a
good good move good way forward we'll we'll do that and then uh come back for the sign off on the COC once you've done your inspection or do you not no that's just I guess how long I
mean when do they want to put that in uh I would say immediately if not sooner is their plan So once we get off permission tonight it'll be very quick Okay Uh and do you need any guarantee do you want to see do you want to give it give it a growing season first or do you
want to continue to the fall or or end i think it's w it's with this I think it's always wise to to um at least get a growing season in before we sign off on something Mr Chairman the only growing out there
are the wild flowers So that we're not planting any shrubs or bushes or anything like that So the wild flowers will take Yeah but we're I've never known them to take but we're addressing erosion I mean that's the whole the whole Yeah I mean
isn't that the whole point behind planting the wild flowers is to address the erosion but until we know the wild flowers are established right i'm hoping that the stone our plan is that the stone is going to address the
erosion The wild flowers just to cover the ground that we're going to expose when we remove the mulch Are they selling the property they need the COC There is there is money involved Yes uh in that the builder built the property and the owner now owns the
property and he wants to get the the money in that's in esco out and he wants to finalize and and get out Yeah if I may Um it seems like if if my recollection of the discussion at the last meeting um that the property owner
has almost gone above and beyond our requests because one of the big issues had to do with that material underneath the mulch um and they're proposing now removing the mulch removing mulch planting and um I guess I'd have to go back in my notes in terms of the drain
And so it seems to me that all all um our requests were met And so um maybe it has to be delayed but I certainly would be in favor of voting to accept this as as presented Yeah I mean just usually when we um
there's an issue with a certificate of compliance we have them implement a solution and wait until we see that the solution has succeeded Yeah I mean I understand that but I mean if if time is of the essence in terms of the area um I don't I don't know We've always waiting for some wild flowers to grow I don't I
don't know I have a question Yes Yeah I have a question um procedure and forgive me on asking this but um in the in the back note somewhere the wetlands protection act um
document the modification that we asked for obviously didn't require the applicant to require a new notice of intent correct but does anyone
else need to see this to from any other I don't I know what you mean Is there to to to make sure that we're in implement a drain does he need any other permits is that what you're asking I don't think so You don't have to do
that Nobody else No we're it's we're really just here to to address the compliance with the original permit So yeah Okay Well I I mean I have to admit I I have not been out to see this site So I I I'm
only looking based on what I've seen on in photos and what I'm hearing from everybody else So uh I would defer to the rest of the board who have been out there and seen it Uh because they might get a better uh understanding I think we should at
least assuming they want to get things done quickly Uh I would imagine as soon as we say yes go ahead and do it that they're probably going to go ahead and do it and and get that get that work proceeded and and finished and completed
as quickly as possible So while I think it's always best to wait but you know based on what everybody else has been saying I I would say maybe if we waited and at least gave it a little bit to make sure that there are
things proceeding so maybe even June even early June [Music] Um does that seem like a reasonable compromise there i think that's a fair compromise And if I could Mr Chairman that Britney has
brought up a lot of photographs there There are only two areas where the wash out is happening Um so the as you can see one in the distance and one close by but just there's one area right there So as soon as we remove the mulch from that
area it's going to you're not this sand in the ground isn't going to move like the mulch is moving because the mulch just slides slides right over the filter fabric So you're not going to have the type of wash out with sand that you would as you have with this mulch right
now So I don't expect that we will see anything washing out over the storm Um but you know if we could just uh continue it for a month to get everything in the ground and then maybe I come back and I talk to you in a month's time see how everything went
I'd really rather not see this again other than at least once I mean that's what do you mean you know whether or not somebody gets their money out of escrow today or three months from now is not my concern
but I'll defer to the rest of the board Well you know I think you know I the escrow thing is not even uh was not a factor in my thinking It's just that from being out there seeing it and and understanding doing enough kind of yard work and landscaping to know as soon as
you put mulch on top of that fabric and water comes along the the mulch floats off And so I think that once it's the the the fabric is removed um the mulch is removed there' be more penetration into the ground absorption into the ground by the rainwater There's things
done as far as the um the uh runoff is concerned I think you said Karen said something about stones would also kind of um deflect some of the runoff that does naturally exist I I think we should just go ahead and approve the project and uh and
um I I I trust that the work will be done There's a lot of effort that went into that already and then you know it doesn't have to be um you know kind of stretched out any any longer in my mind Well I mean I'm not ready to sign off on
it tonight if that's what you're asking but you're saying come back in a month Is that what you're asking or are you saying you want you want us to sign off on it um no No I obviously I tonight I came forward with the idea I want to be sure that the commission is happy with that idea If I could come back in a
month to get a sign off if the B was agreeable 100% Yes I think if we could make that two months I just don't think we'd see a lot of growth in the wildflower mix in a month but certainly in two or three I don't think we need to wait till the fall
That's a good compromise Two months That's right And Mr Chairman I did not bring anything up about the ESCO I was asked a question and then I explained the ESCO I would never put ESCO in front of this board ever I know you didn't but it came up So it came up but it's my
fault I was asked a question No it's not your fault And I try not to lie to this board Everybody else yes but not this book We'll see you in two months See you in two months Thank you for your time I appreciate it Thanks Karen
Try and put you back to back next time Sorry And I still saw that creeping juniper in the other plan there too So why don't you vote you need a motion Do we need a motion for that continue this Somebody want to make a motion to continue this
for two months would be what date june 5th June 5th So moved June 5th Thank you Second Second Okay What' you write down go Redford and
Paul Yeah Okay All those in favor i opposed Carries unanimously Uh next order is another request for certificate of compliance for SE83-2350 Peter Fairbanks 41 Uncle
Roberts Road A partial COC request This is a partial COC request because the plantings have not been in for three years So it's just for the construction of the house and associated things Um so as we discussed earlier there is
some unpermitted topping of approximately 20 to 35 trees I didn't count them Um I would recommend either issuing with ongoing conditions and considering a fine um along with no
additional risk to pruning or whatever variation the board would like I don't have any issues with the construction It seems to have all been done according to the approved plan Um I don't really know what
I already looked at the photos Anybody yeah Um if I may I think that a fine is appropriate for the Vista pruning um to whatever uh is stipulated in the in the regulations I think it's $300 a day Um
but I would recommend a $300 fine and then uh a commitment not to do that anymore So a fine and continuing condition I was also thinking that maybe we should be invited to hold our meetings out at
that property from now on Maybe the one on July 4th I don't think we'll fit on that boardwalk Oh man All right Any other discussion among the board wait till the pool's open All good with that Britney you good with
that all right Uh do I have a motion to issue with the COC the partial COC uh along with the motion for a fine and uh a continued condition uh that there will
be no vista pruning uh without prior approval from the conservation commission So moved There a second All those all those in favor i opposed
carries unanimously Who seconded that jack Jack Thank you Thank you That That was Robert Robert Oh that's why we have that Oh I sent it I sent it down there Yeah
Paul from your pile for Uncle Roberts there should be a second signature page on the for the COC If you could send it back the other way Oh yeah So if you just sign it and then send it back this way that would be good
Thank you Uh next order of business another request for circuit of compliance for SC83-2244114 Upper County LLC for 160 Wood Road Hello Hey State your name for Oh my name
is Craig Whitten The owner of 160 Wood Road Um so this property sorry hold on one second Oh okay Um you requested a COC for a project
that was for expansion of the deck Yeah you're right Um and some vegetation work in the back There were mitigation plantings required that um we did not find on site Um and there was also appeared to be an expansion of the
driveway It was a gravel driveway within the 50- foot buffer that wasn't on the original plan Um did you were you aware of the mitigation plantings did those ever go in i was that this was four years ago In 2021 we did we did purchase those plants
and I assume I can't remember that far back but we did plant those plants Now we weren't allowed to maintain the the plants We weren't allowed to put irrigation or do anything back there They were told to just leave it leave it let it plant it and leave it be I'm guessing that the plants have passed
away over the years since it's been 4 years and unmaintained I have no problem going and purchasing new plants and and planting them again uh to appease the board I don't have an issue with that I am a landscaper so it's pretty easy But um uh if that's what the board wishes
but you know in 2021 we did appease by that but it has been a while Okay Um I hopefully hopefully you didn't get it bad information but we do want people to care for their mitigation plans with temporary irrigation and that type of thing to ensure their survival So sorry
if you got the wrong message but I would like to see those mitigation plants go in Um and perhaps a couple of more for the driveway expansion within the 50 I understand your house is the whole house is in the 50 It's just how it was built Um and I understand you're doing this
because you want to do a septic upgrade right and so the septic has failed And where is that in the front yard Okay And the plans have all been submitted and uh uh Barry from Health keeps calling to find out when it's going to happen So
that's why we need this this this certificate of compliance Is it a whole new septic it is a whole new septic system Okay You can I mean I So the I mean the field and everything is going out front Everything is up front Yeah Yeah That's Yeah I can I mean I It's
already been designed Uh it's already I already have an installer I've already paid him Uh we're just waiting unfortunately for this But I can I can certainly go and pick up PL I can order plants tomorrow morning and have them in by middle of next week It's you don't you shouldn't have to wait for this for
the septic since you're putting the sept they're asking they're they're they're saying that they need this to move forward Okay They need this to move forward Yes That's what I was told Not going to look at that here But I
don't know why they would I don't know why they would care what to be honest with you Um I'm happy to prove you're a septic upgrade Thank you Yeah wouldn't mind talking to Barry That'd be great So we can get this thing moving Yeah I don't
think there Darren Meer Well Darren's the engineer Yeah And he's the one who designed it and and and there's a whole plan already for it that's been submitted to the health department So Barry has all that information but I was told that we needed this in order to actually tell my
contractor to go ahead and do it even though he's been paid Okay The contractor was chasing merchant It's going to do the work What did I I'm sorry Okay I can approve your septic plan Um
and then we can you can put the plants in to satisfy this Great I'll I'll put the plants in next week Okay I can run I can put in uh run irrigation out to those to keep them watered because I was told that I couldn't above ground Yeah Temp Four years ago I was I was told I
or four or five years ago I was told I could not do that So I can do that I don't know who would have told you that but So as long as it's above ground it's allowed Yeah And it's temporary You can have temporary up to three seasons just to get it through the hot months Yeah Yeah Absolutely We'll do it And no
mulch except underneath the mulch Okay Just want to make sure We're so close We don't want this thing coming back and blowing up in our face Um I'll look in the morning to for that I don't think it's been submitted through the um
permit platform yet online Okay Okay Well no I I believe it has been submitted I Darren submitted to Barry and Health and then Barry called me uh as of I don't know two weeks ago to ask me where we were and I said "Well
we had to get this in order to do that per what everyone has asked has told me to do." Okay and that this was what was holding up his decision to finally approve everything We'll get it figured out That'd be great I appreciate that By all means Um but so for the
COC plans to establish we should continue this to the fall right that's what I that's what I would like to see Happy to sign off on any Yeah So what we'll do is we'll we'll continue this Um you want to continue it or Yeah we
have to continue it We'll continue this uh you know put the plants in as quickly as you can within reason Um get your uh above ground temporary uh irrigation in
and hope for a nice somewhat decent summer and get you all the way through to the fall Well they're nice size plants so it should be fine and keep it wet So you want to come back in at the end of September
sure That good and he will need to refile online This one's from over a year ago I think and it hasn't hit me yet So I'll email Darren Okay So a date for this would be it would
be Well why don't you uh come back and fi file it by the Do you want to file it by the 8 well fifth Well 25th is fine So we can hear it on the 2nd right october 2nd
That makes sense Whatever you want What we're just going to continue it right or Yeah I'm sorry We're continuing this Yes So we'll continue this to uh to October 2nd and at which point is assuming everything went in everything is growing
uh we'll be able to sign off on it Then you want me to uh take a picture of it when I'm done and bring it to you or would that be call Britney and she'll come out and take a look I'll give you a call when we're done planting Let me know when the plants are in and then I'll come take a look later when they're That's fine In this fall to look at them They'll be in
Great Okay So do I have a motion to continue this to October 2nd so moved Is there a second second Thank you All those in favor i
opposed cars unanimously see on the 2nd of October Sounds great Thank you If you want to make any plant substitutions email me based on avail No I think the plants are nice They'll be fine Yeah just low blueberry and some roies It'll be good All right Sounds good Thank you
Okay Thank you Right Next order of business is enforcement matter for Susan and Robert Lyn 57 Feasant Co circle cutting and or removal of vegetation within the velocity flood zone a bordering vegetative wetland and its buffer zone
Uh Britney good evening everyone Hi Are you the homeowner pardon me Are you the homeowner i am Nice to meet you Lynn Susan Susan Sorry last name Yes Okay I'm not an engineer I'm not a landscaper I'm just a regular person Um so you received
this note in the mail because I was on on the street last week right um and saw that there had been some cutting um on the on the coastal bank within the buffer zone to the salt marsh and I saw just saw this from the road Um so everything has been brought down to the
ground Um so I sent a draft enforcement order just requiring your presence to talk about it at this hearing Usually when there's clearing in the buffer zone so close to the salt marsh we require a restoration plan Looks like all the stumps I haven't gone any closer but it looks like all the stumps remain I don't
know what was there before Some shrubs They might resp they're kind of tall Um there's one tree there Um you kept it Yeah So I'm here to throw myself on the sword Um this was a communication issue I have
I know I'm on TV so I don't want to say a lot of personal information that's available to the public I have a 98-year-old mother living there The landscapers are working next door She's very concerned about the fragmite There was a discussion that took
place regarding dealing with that I think it was a communication issue We've been there for 20 years we never had an issue So I'm here to be part of the solution Okay Um so usually when something like this happens we do
require that it be replanted I I think my observation is that it wasn't cleared it but it was it you know it was cut more than should have ever been the case Yeah And I put it that way I only
saw from the street so I know everything up here Do you know how far down i'll have to probably arrange a site visit with you to get a better idea of Sorry what was the question um I haven't been able to get a good idea of the extent of what's gone on so I'll probably have to
arrange a site visit with you Sure Um but it it all the roots do appear to remain Um I just am not sure about the survival of any of those So at least interplanting with shrubs at this point
But I spoke to Joe I I mean I I as soon as I got that I came to the town hall I spoke to Joe I asked for information about who you recommend can remediate the area I don't think they call them remediation but I'm sorry I don't know
the terms but I did get information from Joe about who you recommend Uh actually you don't recommend but a list of potential uh entities who will assist in a way that you have found positive in past
events if I can put it that way and I also got a list of uh the ve the plantings that are native to the area Okay So what I would what I would suggest before you go hiring people to do any planting or anything else I would suggest you meet with Britney on site
and let her take a look to see exactly what what's been you know what has been cut and the status of the of the cut area and then she'll have a better idea of what what to give you in terms of advice as to how much how much needs to plant Uh I mean my my greatest fear was
that when I first saw that was like oh was that I didn't know if it was Japanese knotweed or if it was fragmitees or if it was some other maybe it was arrowwood I probably a good chance that it's arrowwood over there Maybe I don't know about arrowwood but I
did I did about three years ago email I don't know if it was Britney or your predecessor about the fragmitey and you and I did have an exchange about it because my mother's been just really concerned about it Yeah it was me Oh okay And I understand that you recognize
that Fragmighty is an issue and that you have like four or five different locations in the town that you're trying to address This just isn't one of them And I have had long conversations with regarding the appropriate way to
address a situation like this with all of my family members So so you Oh I'm just sorry Just so so I understand So you you or your mother asked a landscaper that was in the
neighborhood on on another property cut something down Could you just please and they cut it what you know and the discussion was about the fragmite and so I think I I can only surmise there was a miscommunication either one side or both
sides Do we know who the who the landscaper was don't know We do perhaps have a Google Street View of the landscaper who was parked in front of the house but it may not be the one No this is my grass guy that summer It's It was not this person This was a very
person on Google Street View No no no So PNS landscaping was not involved with it person poor some poor dumb luck on on the Google Google Google photography landscape I think
either way that um issuance of an enforcement order to depending on the severity of the area for restoration planting or and a combination of allowing it to regrow um with planting at this point due in
the fall Yeah So monitoring you wanna So what I think we should do is we'll wait for the wait for you to uh do you want us to sign sign it now or do you want to do you want to uh write an enforcement order and then bring it bring it back to
us and we'll sign then if you're going to be adding conditions we should probably sign afterwards That's fine Okay You don't need to have her to come for that right no no you you would not need to come back for that It's just it's I'm happy to come
back like me to be here The first thing just meet with Britney out on site and then she'll explain the rest of it But what we'll what we're asking you to do at this point is meet with Britney decide you'll you can we between the two of you you'll be able to determine exactly what what needs to be replaced
if anything needs to be replaced and the procedures for doing that And so uh what will happen then is Britney will send she will send what is called an enforcement order with conditions uh to you and uh we will meet to sign and
ratify that enforcement order Okay To her it just didn't have the special conditions attached because I figured we'd talk about that Yeah So so you you won't have to do any you won't have to have to come back before the commission for that at that point So thank you
Thank you for your And I understand you don't live on the Cape right i don't Um are you going to I'll be here whenever you want me to be here Are you around tomorrow i will be there whenever you want me to be there Okay So tomorrow is fine You tell me what time and I will be
there Okay I will email you in the morning if that's okay Great Thank you Thank you all Just one question if I may Um it seems like you know we're we're it's on a good path here but was the the mowing done on the on the owner's
property was there any mowing out off of the property at all i don't I don't know yet Don't know yet Mowing So it looks like cutting or whatever it was everything visible on the bank has been cleared from the everything you can see from the road Yeah Um and it was up to
like 10 from the Google Street View It was There's a little person here So it was like kind of about eight 10 feet high Those that back corner that your your cursor is on it goes across I just have I have like pictures that I actually happened to if if you if I may
Um I mean it's not comprehensive but I just happened to take those pictures when I was here several weeks ago Yeah It's hard to tell in the winter but it looks like a mix of shrubs and fragmitees Get rid of that picture What get rid of that picture I'm
sorry It's just for the plants Yeah it looks like a mix of fragmitees and some pretty big stuff Yeah it's all looking like fragmitees and maybe some brambles Some sort of bramble kind of stuff and ramble I think that's that's a fair representation of what's the good news
there That's going to be coming back Yeah With gusto in four weeks time we won't even be able to know that there was any cutting Well that that is fortunate So you Yeah you I mean you may be lucky in that in that respect but we'll see I
haven't been thinking lucky but lately but I I hope that's the case Well always think lucky Hey I like that thinking Great So you you understand so and Britney will we'll meet you tomorrow Uh
yes I guess Let's just And I plan to be part of the solution Are you free at 1:00 one is fine Okay I'll be there at 1 Thank you all very much I'm sorry to take your time up with something that
really should have Okay thank you Okay Uh all right We're moving on to other business Uh approval of the meeting minutes for December 6th Are we still Yep Nope No Go Um you can leave them I'll grab them at the end Oh do you want
those do you want the pictures back i don't want them if you'd like them Okay Yeah we might as well keep them for the file I'll give you them back tomorrow I'll just make a copy All right Thanks All right So December 6th I am tableabling
to the 16th Dave has to be here Yeah And how about March 20th i was here That should be good Did everybody read that one yeah It wasn't
Somebody like to make a motion to approve the minutes of March 20th 2025 So moved Is there a second second All those in favor i opposed Carries
unanimously All right Uh next order of business is a uh just an announcement saying that the Yarmouth annual community cleanup day will be Saturday April 12th 2025 They start at what 8 a.m
right here at the town hall to get your assignment if you so choose to to participate Uh is there anybody else have any other business nope That we that I have not anticipated
I just will have an announcement that um the select board has um gathered all the department heads this week to discuss fees on a town level scale Um so at our next meeting we'll we're bringing back the fee conversation that we had in 2022
Oh boy which we had approved but um community development had chosen to delay on those to take a holistic departmentwide approach That has yet to happen So we're just going to reassess to make sure those fees that we proposed are still relevant Um with inflation the
way it has been going we might be proposing some additional increases with those fees That is all All right sounds good Can't wait Paul's favorite topic Anything else can you send out a Sure whatever we approved the last time Yeah
I'll send some info What was the email you sent out right before the meeting about a mitigation yeah So next week on the 9th the town's redoing the hazard mitigation plan and there is a public meeting on the
9th at 5:30 in the town hall hearing room to discuss um how we can help reduce impacts from natural hazards in the town if you'd like to attend to contribute to that plan which we've been working on um with some staff and some of the
town folks in the recent past Great There was a meeting that I attended with um I think David was there um the MUK meeting Yeah So okay Is that is that group reconvening i think it's
in April Yes Our next open space team muck land use team for the madakis utilization is on April 15th Um I think at this point next week we'll have had all of the other teams had their second
meeting Um so I'll make sure everybody from the open space muck team has a chance to review those because our our um second meeting will kind of be reviewing those making comments about their open space uh components What time
is the meeting on the 15th it's at um five like the last one Okay Thank you Anybody else if there's no nothing else then would somebody like to make a motion to adjourn
i will Second All those in favor i opposed Unanimous We stand adjourned at 6:46