Recording in progress. Good evening to the uh welcome to the conservation commission meeting of Thursday, November 6th. Um we're going to begin with a report from the Freshwater Initiative overview by the Cape Cod Commission.
And um just introduce yourselves when you come up. That would be great. Good evening. Um, I'm Erin Perry, deputy director at the Cape Cod Commission. >> And I'm Heather Mroy, natural resource manager at the Cape Cod Commission. Nice to >> be here.
>> Yes, very nice to be here. We appreciate being invited to share some information on the freshwater strategy and all of the work and and resources really that have um been developed as a result. So, um, we won't cover everything, uh, that is in the freshwater strategy this evening. Um, or certainly not the entire
process that kind of went into development of that plan. Um, but we'll really try to focus on some of the resources that are available today. Um, and certainly the recommendations of the strategy. Um, some of the things that we think might be most uh, of interest to you all, but happy to answer any questions that you might have, you know,
tonight or at a later time and continue to share resources as you work um, and move forward with local planning on these issues. Um so the freshwater strategy was the result of uh a broader planning process uh called the freshwater initiative. It was funded by Barnstable County. So we were fortunate
to receive um significant funding from the county to conduct the work um and to conduct a larger monitoring program across the region which we'll touch a little bit on today too. Um the strategy really was developed um as a result of
significant data analysis, research and community engagement. Um it included engagement of water resources specialists, of you know experts on different strategies and management approaches, um interested community members and pond organizations, town
staff and representatives, um as well as the business community and many others. So uh we are very pleased with the result and um hope that everybody that contributed to it sees kind of their input in that plan as well. Um and so we'll just jump right in. We know that freshwater resources in the region um
are significant. Uh there are a number of ponds across all of the communities uh on Cape Cod. Uh we have 890 freshwater ponds uh in total. Um they are wide ranging in terms of their physical characteristics. Uh we have some very large ponds. We have many
small ponds. Um really the the concentration of kettle hole ponds here in the region uh is globally unique. Uh we have ponds that are stocked with fish and some that are adjacent to cranberry bogs and have contributed to that industry over time. Uh we have done a relatively good job as a region
protecting open space in the buffer areas to ponds but we also know that our ponds are facing um impacts and threats uh from impervious surfaces in those buffer areas as well. So as part of the freshwater initiative we really worked to let me see if there
we go. We really worked to collect a lot of that baseline information to kind of tell the story and provide uh data about the ponds across the region. Uh we have developed these kind of pond profiles which provide a lot of the information um on kind of the physical characteristics of the ponds, water
quality initiatives, uh projects that have been uh implemented locally or by other organizations across the Cape. Um and we have a a pond profile for Barnstable County. Uh we also have a pond profile for each of the individual uh towns and we'll share a link at the end of this where you can access all of
the information that we touch on. Um so there is a profile uh for all of the 15 communities that provides kind of town specific information about the freshwater resources and the ongoing work um in your community. I'm pointing this in the wrong direction. Sorry. Oh, too far. We also
conducted um an economic analysis as part of the freshwater initiative and the findings of that informed um the freshwater strategy. There was a whole full report um on the economic analysis and the findings of that. What we're really working to do was better understand the economic contributions of
our ponds across the Cape. Um and so that report details all of the findings. It talks about visitation. So, our ponds across Cape Cod see between 1.3 and 1.7 estimated visits on an annual basis. It talks about the spending uh that has been estimated associated with those
visits across the Cape. It touches on um the impact that clean water in our ponds has on property values and rental prices. Uh you can see that uh on the the sheet here in the summary that um homes near a pond with clear water will
sell or rent for more than similar homes near a pond with algo issues and that sales price premium is over $22,000 and the weekly rental increase of nearly $200 um across the region. Certainly varies by by community. It also talks a
little bit about um findings from surveys that uh looked to estimate uh Cape residents and non-resident homeowners support for different management approaches and really provide you know a more holistic picture of the importance of our ponds uh across the Cape beyond um those kind of
environmental uh significant environmental resources and ecosystems that they provide. So the freshwater strategy has a section uh where we're really um characterizing and defining the problem. We know that uh problems and challenges in our
freshwater ponds are complex. Um and I'll touch on kind of the summary of the threats to our ponds um that uh can surfaced through this process. Um but we also know we have uh challenges that uh make management difficult and there were challenges associated with uh data and
information availability that we wanted to address through this process. Um and so touching on some of the threats uh to ponds, I think when we initiated this process, you know, we anticipated that uh there were certain uh uses that uh were impacting our ponds, but through the process, we were able to really uh
better define um and identify uh some of the sources. I if you don't mind advancing, sorry. Thank you. Um so the threats to to pond health are are all interrelated. Um we know that
the way we have used land over time is impacting our freshwater ponds. Excess nutrients are traveling through groundwater um and from wastewater and storm water along with other pollutants that are impacting the ability of our ponds um to to function as they should.
Uh they are resulting in algolooms that in some cases negatively impact uh the use of our ponds and certainly the uh habitats and the ecosystems in those ponds. erosion along our pond shores is delivering some of those nutrients uh into our ponds. Uh sediment in our ponds
is increasing turbidity and resulting in poor water clarity. Uh we also know we have challenges with invasive species um and uh the invasive species that are really uh impacting the ability of our native species to thrive and climate change kind of across the board increased water temperatures uh are kind
of exacerbating and magnifying the impacts of all of those threats. And so the freshwater strategy uh discusses in detail kind of the the ways in which these threats are impacting our ponds and and how they are interrelated. And then we also know as I mentioned that we have challenges uh that make it
difficult uh for us to target management strategies and approaches to the threats that we are are facing. So we have limited data collection and and access to that data um from the historical data that has been collected. There has been a lot of of work across the Cape for
many decades to collect data and information on our freshwater resources. Uh the pond and lake stewardship program is one of those programs that has been uh dedicated to this work for a long time. Um but it was a a snapshot monitoring program essentially taking
one or two samples every year. Um and not always from the same group of ponds. Uh they were very opportunistic in how they approached that work. Um and really making it it makes it difficult for us to look at uh trends over time uh in a given pond or from year to year, season to season.
And so understanding kind of the state of historic uh monitoring, we really wanted to look at how we could expand data collection um and analysis uh collect more data, make that data available and and make some analysis, trend analysis available for our communities. And so a focus of the
freshwater initiative was really on that data piece. And so I'll just touch quickly on that. Uh we are now wrapping up the third year of a regional pond monitoring program for the Cape. Um we began this initiative three years ago with 50 representative ponds uh that
vary in terms of their characteristics um and geographic uh spatial coverage um vary in in their water quality status and the types of uses uh really you know working to identify a broad range of ponds um to give us a more holistic understanding of the uh state of our
ponds across the Cape. Um, we have been fortunate to have that funding through Barnesville County to be able to conduct that work over the first three years uh of the the monitoring program and more recently the Cape Cod Islands Water Protection Fund Management Board has dedicated funding uh to continue that
program and we are also looking at opportunities to expand it to more ponds. And through the freshwater initiative, we also developed this pond water or the freshwater, excuse me, the Cape Cod water quality uh data portal, expanded that work to include freshwater pond
monitoring data. So all of the data that is being collected through um the regional pond monitoring program is available and accessible through this interface as is um historical monitoring data from the pond and lake stewardship program and a number of other monitoring initiatives across the region. Uh so
we've been able to compile the data here uh make it available. We've conducted some trend analysis and we have the ability to continue to do that uh through this portal as more information uh is added to it um and make that available so that communities who are are focused on management uh actions and
initiatives can understand uh kind of the state of the ponds that they are working on. And so with that I'll turn it over to Heather to talk about uh some remaining aspects of the the plan. >> Great. Thanks. So um through the
stakeholder engagement process um that Erin touched on uh we heard from a lot of entities wanted more strategies um to learn more about strategies that could be used to tackle water quality
problems in in our ponds. So, this is something um we dug into starting with um just staff at the Cape Cod Commission doing a lot of research on existing strategies used here in Massachusetts, but also looking beyond um uh
Massachusetts and compiling as much information as we could into a database um and sort of bin uh or you know pooling that information into these different
categories. Um so that uh you know users could um sorry I'm tripping all over myself here. Um information is is structured in such a way that you can uh identify strategies that are going to um
be useful in ponds. Um strategies that uh are going to be most applicable around pond shores and then strategies that are more applicable at the watershed scale. things like, you know, changing in regulations that would affect um how we uh how we use land. And
the the each strategy also um is identifies the threats that it addresses. Um not all strategies are going to address all of those threats, but some will address multiple threats. Um so we um sort of ran all of this
information through um a technical advisory group um that helped us you know vet vet the information and um make it as accurate as as possible um and outputed it into um a a series of really great fact sheets with great
illustrations. We think the illustrations are um really helpful in conveying the concepts. Um, and there's a ton of information on these fact sheets. Um, and uh, they address these different management approaches. Um,
whether you're trying to get at planning and regulation in watersheds, you're trying to do a nutrient management approach, or you're trying to manage sediment or algae, invasive species, or um, fisheries management.
Uh, one of the tools that we developed um that is sort of a living project um is called the restoration pond restoration project viewer. Um we've been collecting information um on ponds
where we know some kind of um management action has been taken. Um thank you. Um yeah uh where a management action has
been taken and we've collected a bunch of information about um the nature of that action. Um what was the action meant to address? Um was it successful? Some takeaways. All of that is um available through this viewer. can click
on one of these these dots and um the information will pop up. You can sort it so that if you're interested in say just strategies that will address nutrient management um those will be highlighted and you can focus in on those. And uh as I said, this is something a living uh
resource that we hope to um continue to add information to as as new projects are are proposed and uh conducted around the Cape. Uh and so then another resource that we're um pleased with um was a a
response to again stakeholder input and um really pond groups across the Cape said that they needed something that um they could help help use to educate um pondshore property owners about how to
better manage the um the buffer areas to the ponds. Um you all are probably likely very aware of uh the alterations to um private property uh adjacent to water bodies. Um and so this uh Cape Cod
freshwater pond buffer guidance is something that we developed um with a contractor and another uh technical working group to provide guidance on um how to improve uh the protection of our of our wetland buffers or pond buffers
specifically. So, this is just a snapshot of one of the pages. And I should say, um, we made a a a short a a small print run as it were. We printed a um a number of hard copies and we delivered those to um all of the
conservation departments across the Cape. So, Britney has one. Yes. Great. Um it's also available as PDF online. This is a snapshot of one of the pages and you know it's addressing uh what are you know why is it important to protect
pond buffers. Um it also gets into the characteristics of a healthy pond buffer. Um, you know, ideally you have no development in that first 100 feet um to a to a water body um that there's a diversity of species.
There's a um different layers of of vegetation from trees, shrubs, and ground covers. Um uh natural litter is left to remain where it falls. Um so we're not doing a lot of maintenance um in these areas.
And there's some, you know, great graphics throughout that that, uh, you know, try to help illustrate the concepts. Um, it was a landscape architecture team and, uh, ecological restoration group that, um, prepared
this document. There are um 11 conceptual plans that help um you know not meant to be used asis but help illustrate how to uh introduce new uh plantings into an existing landscape. Um
again lots of of of detail there to sort of chew over and and uh um help ideulate on. Um and then uh we have a wonderful collection of um
first photographs of native species that can be used to um uh use to vegetate our our pond buffers. Um there are photographs. There's also an extensive list and the list is structured in such a way that you can um learn sort of
quickly whether a species um what its light and water requirements are and some of its um habitat benefits and aesthetic benefits. You know, is does it have fall color? Is it providing berries um etc. So this is really um a great
resource. We see the um the plant list that came out of this pro project as being um useful beyond just sort of buffer applications. I think anyone who's looking to vegetate their property
um with native species will benefit from this list and we're actually outputting it as a separate product um from the buffer guide. So there will be a PDF available on our website soon um with just this this great plant list.
Um, and yeah, there's a um the web address uh and QR code if you want to grab it from there. Um, but I'll I'll leave it at that on the buffer guide. Um, the last thing I just wanted to
touch on is the recommendations that came out of the strategy. Yeah, that's funny. Sometimes it's working, sometimes it's not. Um so uh it there were a number of key
recommendations that resulted um from the the many meetings that we had with stakeholders um over the two years of the freshwater initiative and uh we output those into this into the strategy. Um I think the one of the key
takeaways is that um as Aaron touched on um the on the economic study that was conducted, most Cape Coders and visitors to the region are aware of and appreciate our ponds and we're all going to need to participate in helping to
protect them. Um but there are a few key recommendations that the Cape Cod Commission um has uh committed to um to continue to work on um including uh supporting that regional pond monitoring
program um and uh you know supporting it um through uh funding and administration. um uh taking the data that is collected from that monitoring program and managing the data in the Cape Cod water
quality data portal which which Aaron mentioned um and make continuing to make that available to the public. uh helping communities find funding um for various water quality improvement projects. Um and uh also importantly, I think perhaps
of interest to this group um is a uh an effort to develop a model wetlands regulation guidelines specifically for activities adjacent to to ponds. So with that, I'll stop and we can take
any questions you might have. Anybody commissioner have a question? >> Well, I want to congratulate you on pursuing the freshwater um sort of the been behind some of the other efforts
and I think that uh and make a case for the long pond in Yarmouth to get on your list >> for the regional pond monitoring program. Mhm. >> I was a little disappointed to see it not on there. >> Okay. >> As Aaron mentioned, uh we are looking to
expand that program. So, there's a potential to add ponds. So, we'll definitely look into that. >> Congratulations on that. Really good. Particularly that buffer report was nice and a little little large, but
and I guess a recommendation for that for me would be uh if uh you could simplify that and make it more available to the general public and particularly the businesses that serve the public for
landscapers, etc. >> When you say simplify, what what are you thinking of? >> Oh, the the uh pond guidance report. It's pretty heavy in and for it's okay for a professional or
a semi-professional maybe, but I would argue that it needs uh some kind of distribution in a lighter mood. >> Got it. That's something we have found, I think, that there are elements of it already that people are are typically
looking for like the plant list. So we can think about ways to to split that out and make some of the resources more easily available. >> I really like your fact sheets, especially with permeable reactive barriers. I know that the town DPW has
been looking for um a sufficient location that's appropriate for that because there's a lot of grant funding available for for implementing that type of thing. Um, so I I really appreciate the fact sheets that go into each specific solution and strategy >> and we would definitely look forward to
seeing that plant list by itself for saying the Barnesville County Cooperative Extension list is only so old and does not provide that much information. >> Agreed. Yes, you had a slide uh I think it was
in the applications and there was a machine uh going into the pond. Is that to remove invasive species? What was that? What does that machine do? >> Yeah, that um is a a machine a a boat. Um >> it's awesome.
>> Yeah, it's impressive. Owned by the town of Brewster and um it is a weed harvester. >> Yeah. >> So, it is aquatic weeds. um may be choking certain ponds and this
goes through and uh you know basically harvests it sort of the way a landbased harvester would you know collects it and then they dispose of those weeds um in some landbased
compost them perhaps I'm not sure how they dispose of it but >> thank you >> anybody I ask questions from the audience if they want it. >> Yeah. >> Anybody in the audience have a question?
>> Okay. Well, thank you very much. It's great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I appreciate you guys coming. >> Okay. Go on to our first notice of intent. SE83 25502 Cape Cod Engineering for Cynthia
Richards Great Island Road Bridge repairs and land subject to coastal flooding and land under the ocean. >> Thank you. >> Green cards are Bob Perry. Cape Cut Engineering Craig Field, the general manager of the Great
Island Home Owners Association is with me. Um, we were before you a month or two ago about an RDA for the Great Island Road Bridge. Uh, that was the first phase of some work. the second phase of the report came in and so a
second phase that involves grouting of some of the voids that have been observed beneath the road surface in in the rather informal stone abutments um is the primary mission here. Um
there's also the mention of some shims just below the the main bridge uh deck and the I think the choice was made by the uh organization to file a notice of intent so that the commission felt that
there's a few more belts and suspenders in the application. Um the I think the greatest amount of work that would cause for um you know a a work limit adherence is the removal of the pavement on the
two bridge ramps uh where they're going to saw cut the pavement. If you've been out there, it's a pretty um it's been paved a couple of times. Uh there's a steel plate on the main span and the program here is to
weld on two new plates each side of the main span within the road lane itself. So the bearing is distributed better and it's below that zone where the grouting is proposed. it would be uh pressure
grouted relatively a slow flow process and uh we earmarked the locations for where that's going to occur. Since it is underground um it's been sensed using um you know longer small camera orthoscopic
type things but there is no way to predict exactly how much material is going to go in there. Um, but it is a a a pumped process. Any observations of grout that's escaping from a void will be caught and plugged with a sandbag or
something temporarily while the grout sets up. And so our our position was that with a work limit adhered on the fence lines um the work would be carried out carefully.
material that was removed would be immediately put into a truck. There is no outward effect in the direction of the salt marsh. I've spoken to the foreman of the crew that would be doing this and we're all on the same page about how the work would proceed. And um
once the steel plates are in and observations have been made and the grout is uh done, they would simply repave the two bridge approaches and it would be much like it is today. Um so that's the summary. I don't think
I've left anything out. Um we don't anticipate any collateral effects outside of where we show on our second page of plan set. Um, there's
there's a rip wrap that lines the road embankments there and we anticipate some foot traffic, but certainly no machinery or anything like that that's going out into the marsh. That's the summary of this. Be happy to take your questions.
Thank you. May the commission have a question? >> I have a few, so I'll start. You have a question. Paddock can't. >> No, no, go ahead. >> Um, seems that you've come to us often
for lots of reasons. Um, I is this a permanent you think this is a permanent fix or is this a short-term fix? >> Well, it I would put it in the in the context of temporary, but it's on the order of 5 to 10 years temporary.
>> Okay. The purpose of the grout is to just make sure that any voids that are forming within what is it's kind of an ancient abutment rip wrap don't cause immediate pavement collapses. >> Mhm.
>> And the steel plate of course goes further. But it's and you think of the work that's gone on in Great Island the last 20 years. Every truck deliveries earth work is all used this bridge. So there's a combination of um fatigue
but also time-t tested and you just I don't think it's a plan to just say well it's worked all those decades let's just keep using it. I think there's a plan a foot that would be on a 10-year you don't you're not going to see it five 10 years where the bridge might be
replaced. >> Answers two questions. um when you came a couple months ago and you saw these how come these holes weren't found then? >> Good question. Um
I don't have an answer for that except the timing of the remedy. I think Great Island felt that they wanted to cure some immediate observable issues while they awaited um a more in-depth remedy
for what's below the road. I know that when we came to you this was on the radar, >> but it wasn't formulated enough. I assume the um on full moons like tonight sometimes that uh gets washed
flooded. >> Oh yes. I haven't been there today. I know we had a a wild wind. Uh maybe it blew water offshore here. I I don't know. I I didn't see the tides on the south side. I know we've had some high
water in the north side. Um but this bridge has been overwashed a number of times. um it stood the test of time. This is just making sure that until there's a full plan for a much more
significant project that that it serves the purpose that it was always intended for without without >> I assume that full plan will include the road too that we've been talking about for years. >> Yeah. Um, I don't see another location for this uh access to the island, but
but um the future could hold an elevation change. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Yes. Thank you. And thank you for the the um the detail and and the survey that you did, but um more specifically on the third page uh where the pictures
are. >> Yes. >> What am I looking at? Uh the bottom right corner there. Am I looking? >> Okay. Yeah, that's a What is that? >> That's a slab of concrete that >> to the right of that like >> Yeah, it's like a cavern. Got an arch appearance.
>> Yeah, that's a wash out um underneath um one of the um earlier efforts to um probably not add grout, but to mortar
over or concrete over. um portions of this area have have had added measures. I think that's one where when that concrete was placed um everything was fine and 5 10 years later
there's been some erosion beneath it. >> So how how are you going to repair that? Well, that that's a there's a there's actually rip wrap underneath it and I believe that there would be some grouting there that would have a um the
effect of of um >> adding to the mass. >> So, all of this is going to be You think grouting is sufficient for this repair? All of these >> Well, that's all they can do at the moment. Um, the steel plates are are very important, >> but >> but I mean, you're not going to pour,
you know, there's no concrete or anything planned. >> The grout's a form of concrete. It's Portland cement. It's low strength. It flows. It's probably high water content, but um there's no expansion of the footprint. It's all really just an effort to
>> It's all hand work. No, it's pumped in and there would be some application where needed of sandbagging to keep the grout in place temporarily until it until it sets up. >> How does that work? The sandbagging,
>> excuse me. >> How does the sandbagging work? >> Oh, it's uh well, they're about 90 pounds a piece and they would uh in a location like this, those would be stacked. The grout would be pumped in there and and the sandbags are intended to prevent any grout from leaving the
projection of of the area. They would capably uh I think withstand uh the slurry. >> So you don't expect it to go in the water at all? >> No. Although the water's going to go
over the bridge, but the it's anticipated that this will set. It's the same topic we discussed with the last time with the grout or the the mortaring of the joints. Um th this would not be done during high tide. It would be done at a period of low tide and this this
material would set. So it's not going to be dissolved in water. It would set and then water would wash over it. >> So it's it'll set in less than six hours. >> Excuse me. >> So it will set in less than six hours. >> Certainly enough so that it does not um
dissolve. It's concrete. It It's going to set water will affect its surface, but it's not going to dissolve it. >> Okay. And the sandbags are only going to be placed on the existing rip wrap and not in the water. >> Correct. But it the sandbags are contingency. If there's observed grout
that's slumping or getting out, the sandbags will be there to to plug that. It's an imperfect process. >> So, are people going to be there waiting for the full six hours until it sets to make sure no nothing is seeping? >> Absolutely. Oh, no. True. Um,
well, if you if you watch some of this behave, I think the the concrete will will set reasonably well within a couple of hours. >> Mhm. >> But, um, it's just a matter of it's not the kind of thing that's going to to
slump out of there after I think after a couple of hours. But if you need obs observation for the period until we have a tide change, that's not a problem. >> And so you say pressure grouting, but there's not going to be so much pressure
that when the void is filled, it's going to escape all holes. >> That that's exactly the point of of the observation. >> Yeah. because um if there is an observed effect of drought getting out of any of the voids where it's unanticipated,
that's going to cause for a change in the program. You plug that area and you you grout in a different manner. It's just not a not a perfect process. >> Okay. Have you done this type of work before? >> I have not. I have seen grouting. Um,
it's my understanding that we do have a local company that's actually installing sewers now that will probably be doing this work. >> And have they done this type of work before? >> Yes. >> We asked the name of the company. >> I think it's
no free advertising, but matter of record. >> Anything else, Britney? >> No. Well, if they're I mean, if they're confident, I would recommend that the commission include observation until the grout is set. Um, and no work outside the asphalt line um except as needed to
fill the sandbags to place the sandbags. >> Any anybody else in the commission have a question? >> I'll just um as you know, sometimes I go out of the boundaries of the commission. I'm really curious as to how you're planning
uh replacement. You obviously don't know that much about load limit, what the load limit is of this particular bridge, yet you have a lot of heavy, like you said, lots of different kind of construction trucks going down there.
And I'm just you financially and so forth. I think I don't have the number, but I believe this bridge was load rated uh probably in the late 90s and um um I'm going to guess, but I think
there's a bunch of bridges that may have load rating per design, but then you go down the road 50 years, it's not the same. But this really is one of those cases where um it has stood the test of time. It has we've checked the elevations of
this. the survey that was related was related to the licensing back in 2014. Um, we've checked the elevations recently. It hasn't budged vertically. >> Well, it's private property. It's your
and it's a association that I think you folks are going to be looking at then in the long haul. So, I'm just curious as to how you were approaching it. >> Oh, it's a significant issue. No question with sea level change and the tide that's already affecting the
causeway. It's it's it's a very interesting coastal management study for you to be front row seats. You'll be involved. >> Stand stand by. >> We get out there fairly often.
Um, can I just be more specific on the condition that just suggests that there'll be 24/7 um 24/7 monitoring, you know, while the concrete is setting. I mean, it it's going to be longer, I think, than >> I just wrote grout shall be observed
until set, unless you'd like to be more specific. >> That's that covers it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And any escaping grout may not be allowed to enter wetland or water body. The work limit line shall be on the pavement edge. Um, and sandbags may only be placed on the rip wrap.
>> And we did put all of that in our application. So, in the narrative write up, we we were clear on the really the reason why we filed this as a notice of intent and not an RDA. You have an order of conditions that goes with your approval.
And um for the pre-construction meeting, I'd like to be like when you're planning to do the work, I'd like to be there for the pre-construction meeting instead of ahead of time. So all the crews there ready to go before low tide or before
the change of tide. I'd like to see how they're going to start. >> Sure. >> Anybody in the audience have any questions or comments? Anybody online? raise your hand. Anybody raising their hand? You
>> me. >> DMF. >> DMF also just included their standard conditions. No washing equipment. Um, no refilling on site. >> All good. >> Work at low tide. >> Agreement. >> Okay. Do I have a motion to accept? So
moved with conditions, Jack. Second. >> Pat. Second. >> Thank you. I have all in favor. >> So, it's passed unanimously. Thank you. >> Thank you. Do you know when you want to do this? Do you need >> I don't. >> Okay. >> Craig, do you know when this is happening?
>> Uh, not yet. >> Okay. >> I'm waiting waiting for some pricing. >> Okay. >> Thank you for talking about it with us. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Have a good night. >> Sorry, I couldn't get you out of here more. >> Thank you for helping with that agenda for >> No problem. Byebye. >> Take care. Bye.
Next, um, notice of attempt SE832501, Cape Town, Cape Down Cape Engineering, John Sraen, 53 on Dora's Lane, after the fact filing for a dock and floats in salt marsh, land under the ocean, land
containing shellfish and land subject to coastal flooding, and they're asking for a continuence. We don't have a date to continue to. >> Yes. um they have to go to the waterways and shellfish advisory committee which they're meeting on November 20th. So they've requested continuence to
December 4th. >> Okay. I hear a motion to accept the continuence. So move second. Jack, all in favor? >> I go to the next one.
>> Okay. SE83 2442 CDM Smith of the town of Yarmouth Route 28 uh 280 Route 28 permitted sore and three pumping stations proposed relocation of a pumping station. >> Hello.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mike Judicy from CDM Smith representing the town of Yarmouth. just to give you a quick overview. Um, we submitted a request for a plan revision to an order of conditions uh that the commission u issued just over a
year ago and this is for several components of the phase one of the town's uh comprehensive wastewater management plan. We had submitted uh the original order was issued for several pumping stations uh in contracts five
and six in addition to uh crossing underneath the Parkers River Bridge uh with the horizontal directional drill. Um, since that time there was a lot of discussion in a uh non-binding town meeting article that passed last
December requesting that one of the pumping stations be relocated. This is pumping station number two that's in contract six. So, we've been working with the town over the last number of months trying to find a suitable alternative location. Uh, the original
location was at 316 Route 28. Uh we have found an alternative site and redesigned the pumping station accordingly. Uh the town has just executed an easement with the property owner at 280 Route 28. So
the site is just a couple of hundred feet to the west of the original location. Uh the components of the pumping station are exactly as they were under the original order that was issued. uh they've just been reconfigured a little bit to fit on the
new site, but all the components are exactly the same. Uh perform the same function. Uh it actually results in less impact to resource areas. Uh there's no impact to the 35 ft no disturb zone or
the 50ft buffer zone. Uh and there's less impact than the original location to land subject to coastal storm flowage. Um we have uh submitted with the request a new storm storm water report. So all
the storm water from the site uh will be sent through a uh hydron dynamic separator and into a subsurface infiltration system. So the postdevelopment u reach um sorry flow rate and um
was actually less than existing conditions. So, storm water report uh lays out how we comply with the 10 state standards and um the systems been designed in accordance with the Massachusetts stormwater handbook.
Happy to take any questions that you may have. >> Okay, just a comment first is uh nothing was staked out for us and usually will require staking so we know where the building is going to actually >> Okay. I wasn't aware of that but we can
>> um any questions go ahead. >> Yes, thank you and um thank you for for the revision. It does, you know, reduce the the impact. I just had a a concern on your um on your comment. Well, not a
comment, but you say dewatering may be necessary. Um I would suggest that it will be necessary. >> It will necess it will definitely be necessary. Yes. >> Yeah. So >> probably not the best wording in that but yes that >> and then you follow that is your proposed methodology for the deatering.
>> Correct. Yes. >> So you will be dewatering. >> We will be certainly will be dewatering the the wet well. This is a submersible pumping station. So the wet well will be on the order of 25 ft deep or so. So they'll have to install sheeting and they'll certainly be dewatering. Yes.
>> And what note is there a detail on the deatering? Missed it. uh we don't necessarily that's a means and methods for the contractor but they're they're required to you know put it through a sedimentation basin and similar
>> I'd like to see the a deatering detail be submitted prior to the >> where the waters go >> building permit. Yeah. >> So what you're putting there is not going to have any effect on the cranberry bog or the the
>> it's on the adjacent parcel. So, no impact on the bonds. No, that's correct. >> Any other questions? >> Curious about the um you're you have it's high enough, I guess, that you don't need any kind of
retaining walls or protection walls. You're able to depend on the slopes that and the plantings and uh high water. Correct. And no retaining wells
required. If you're familiar with the site, it it is a it is a pretty decent slope up from the access road into the bogs up to the site. This area is actually the location of the uh le uh of the leechfield for the for the tile
building at this point. Um and that will be replaced on a temporary basis uh prior to construction. Um, but the site is elevated to up to about elevation 11 or 12. Uh, the first floor of our control building that houses all the electrical equipment has to be at
elevation 14. So, we're 3 ft above the 100red-year flood elevation of elevation 11. So, there'll be a small amount of fill putting put in at the top of the site, but it's not high so high that we can't just grade it off um to meet the existing grades at the toe of the slope,
the existing slope. So, you're pretty comfortable that over the years with climate change and the uh number of storms we get in by year 10 20, you're still going to be protected.
You're not going to see it eroding around. >> That's the purpose of that 3 ft above the 100redyear flood. That's an extra conservative elevation that um we design all our facilities to. It's a more >> it starts eating away at the base out there on the near the
water. I'm just, you know, >> I don't I don't foresee an issue with that, Zach. There. Uh, sorry, Jack. They're following the the building code that requires the elevation of the first floor. >> Once the once the vegetation takes
place, it'll stabilize that the slopes on the sides. see in 20 years. >> Yeah. >> Is there some concern about the plantings um red cedar and the other?
>> Yeah, I sent Magdalena a note. Um red cedar shouldn't be planted with uh amalani species because of all the rust. It requires both species to complete its life cycle. So if you could just swap out probably the the service berry the amal gear with something else. >> Okay.
>> I remember you sending that comment and I thought we had addressed that. So we still I thought we changed the plantings to >> um I didn't get a revised plan. So if you have if you could just send us the plan. >> So is it the service berry that's the issue? >> Yeah the service berry. >> Okay.
and in the deod just make you be clear on where the discharge is going. >> And my only other comment is I I just saw last second that you have a um a stockade fence going up. Since you're in the flood zone, you'll just need to have six inches of clearance below the fence
and I could put that in the special conditions. >> Great. I thought we were showing that on the detail, but we may not have. >> It's hard to read some of it. >> Yeah. Yeah, a lot of detail. >> Apologize. >> Details. Good. >> Anybody in the audience questions or
comments? >> I may not have looked at the details. >> Are you done, Britney? >> Yes, I'm all set. Thank you. >> Anybody online? Your hand. I don't see any hand raised. >> Oh,
here a motion to accept with special conditions. Chuck. >> Yeah. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second that. >> All in favor? I >> thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks. >> You could send me that revised plan. Okay. >> The plans.
>> Thanks. >> Okay. >> All right. Next one is SE 832375. Request for a revised plan by Leonard D. Orlando 17 Wild Rose Terrace.
permitted addition after the fact plan for additional hardscape in a buffer zone to a bord bordering vegetated wetland. >> Hi guys, >> Lenny Dorlando. It's my wife Maria. >> You could just um describe the proposed changes that happened since the approved
plan and then the commission will ask you questions. >> Sure. What we've done um since the approved plan is we put in a we had when we when we put the addition in, we had a bunch of large boulders removed from the ground and we put them aside. And at the
time, I had even asked Britney if if it was okay to leave them there. And what I wound up doing and and my ignorance, I had no idea that this wasn't in in wasn't conforming with the 100 foot buffer zone, but I went ahead and and put them in a circle and made a made a
fire pit. So, I guess that's that and and part of a new patio that we had done is is what's uh in question today. And happy to answer any questions that you guys have. Any questions?
>> I just was confused about what is there any additional hardscape? >> Yeah. So this um >> this gravel fire pit pad and this gravel at the bottom are both new from the original permitted addition which was
over here which was the it's the mitigation that's shown in the small I guess the larger spacing hatch. It's already in that's for the addition and they're proposing the additional mitigation for the new heartscape that they had done.
>> Okay. It just wasn't clear. Yeah. So, um, we usually just ask that these accompany with a narrative, >> which we left out, but, um, >> I sent you and Dan some site plan comments. Yes.
>> Um, so mostly it's just I just have concerns with the site plan. It doesn't meet our site plan requirements to be a plan of record um, for an order of condition of order of conditions. We just need to see the contours clearly labeled new items. So, it just the
gravel fire pit and this gravel pad on the bottom. Um, and I think the mitigation table just needs to be reworked to show those new areas being accounted for with the 2 to1 mitigation. >> Am I right that there's not enough uh
square footage? >> Yeah. And then there was one other concern of mine is after this gravel pad on the bottom, there's a cleared area and like a pile of >> leaves.
>> I think it's just soil. Um that'll be picked up by Dan in the contour survey. >> Okay. >> Um but that cleared area is within the 50ft buffer >> and so it should be added to the mitigation area so that the 50 is fully vegetated. >> Okay.
Is that outlined on on what you had told me? >> I think I So all disturbed area within 50 to be planted. It's added in that note. So it just doesn't show this one little spot down here that's disturbed. >> So just to extend the mitigation over over
>> Yeah. to all the disturbed area. >> Okay. >> And what do you what is this for >> storage? That was a stone. You can see the the the uh pestone base. That's just we bought the house about three years ago. That was always there. And I just put the boats there. And then all that
rock and stuff was was landscaping materials that I had had in the zone in the 50- foot zone, not realizing it couldn't be there. So I moved it all over there. Just it's temporary. It's just there for now. >> Okay. And this is going to be removed as well. >> Yes. Yep. That was just an old fence. I
put it down just so I could water the new mitigation plants. >> Um my last question, sorry. Is this a landscape fabric in the mitigation area? >> Say again. >> Is this landscape fabric you have in the mitigation area? >> It was plastic that I put down on top of
first I had put down uh the mulch, the pine bark mulch. >> Yeah. >> And and then I wanted to hold that down. So I put the plastic on top of it and then uh >> Yeah. Um the intent of the mitigation area is so that it naturalizes fully. So
you won't need to weed it or anything. Obviously, if there's invasive plants popping up, you can weed it, but this should be taken up um and the area seeded with a native mix or just let it mulch itself. Um >> Okay. So, I could just throw some a native grass mix down.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. I thought I had to have it just uh uncovered with with pine bark mulch. I guess I misunderstood that. >> Yeah. We just don't want any non um organic material in the mitigation area. So, it should just be fully naturalized. So, that plastic should come out. >> All right.
That's all from me. Thank you. >> You have another question. >> Yeah. I just I was trying to find in the guidelines what depth we allow a fire pit in the 100 foot buffer. >> We allow patios and hardscape in the 100 foot buffer. No closer. >> The fire pit does that. Is that hard?
That's considered hardscape. That requires mitigation. >> It does. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, they are going to provide that. So, it seems that we need to continue to get the revisions. >> Yeah. Make sure you have no other comments. Um, I sent them everything you
see on the notes. Mhm. >> Um if you have anything else. >> Now he mentioned that he's going to remove the pile if >> Yeah, the >> Yeah, we can just put that in our conditions when we get there, but
>> So just need a motion to continue to when >> um have you spoke with Dan? >> Not yet. I had gone down the other day, but I I couldn't get all I'm not sure what their time frame is, but >> Okay. Um, do you want to try for two
weeks from now? So, that would mean he would need to get the plan to us in one week. And if he can't, you can just let us know and we'll delay it. >> I'll I'll talk to him tomorrow or I'll talk to them tomorrow and see if that's possible and get right back to you. >> Okay. We do need to So, we'll go for the two weeks and then we'll delay additionally if
>> Okay. So, uh I need a motion to continue to November 20th meeting >> meeting. So, move. Anybody second? >> Second. >> Second. favor. >> I opposed. No. Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Signing anything. >> Shoot. >> Let's see. Great island. We need to sign. >> Goodness. >> Oops. >> I'm not doing my job.
>> Right. For sure. Uncle Robert, did we do that yet? No, >> I only missed one. >> Yeah, that's I didn't I knew that. >> Okay, our next uh order of business and
RDA for um Hold on, I got the wrong piece here. >> Deacon Crocker for Jeffrey Fipps. 86 Uncle Roberts Road, proposed removal of non-native and dead trees and native plantings in land subject to coastal flooding and
the buffer zone to a coastal bank. >> Could you introduce yourself? >> Yeah, my name is Deacon Crocker. I'm on local landscape. >> Just describe what you expect to do and >> Yeah. So, there's an area um you guys did go out, right? >> Yeah, we did.
>> Yeah. um in adjacent to the Great Islands Harbor where they have their docks and things. And I had a new customer ask me if uh I could block his view or we could not block his view but give him privacy. And I was like, "Well, that seems like a magic trick." So he
said, "Well, I'm thinking about lowering the road in front of his house." I said, "Well, you're probably not going to be able to do that, especially through you guys." Guy's a really eccentric guy, funny guy, but I think he was serious about that. So, I said instead we could plant some native plants and we can try to keep them at a certain height, but
it's, you know, it's probably not going to work for his he wants two things, but he has a lot of invasive species there. So, I thought it was a good opportunity to clean the area up of invasive species and plant a lot of natives, which is usually my goal in my landscaping. And
so, I looked at that area there and I, you know, I like to plant a native meadow. Um, there's some leelands in there that I think should never be planted on Cape Cod. and many of them are dead. So, I'd like to um remove the dead ones and the fleing ones. Um and I
think I had 56 plants um that I recommended we planted as a border to the road there. Now, I'm dealing with Great Island in that he actually doesn't have the right to plant exactly along the road because there's a a zone of
influence that Great Island has for their lots. So they'll be I have a meeting with them on Saturday. So I think they'll be set back even farther from the water, but just looking to get rid of it honeysuckle, bittersweet, that kind of thing, you know, clean it up and
I don't want to look landscape, but I would like more natives in there, you know. >> So just this is just curiosity question. He has that beautiful window overlooking the harbor. Is that what he's trying to >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He says too many people look in it.
again. I mean, >> we can't do two things, you know, but um really it's just a matter of of, you know, removing invasives that um the honeysuckle is really kind of out of control there. Actually, somebody went
in and cut it down and it wasn't me. Uh between this meeting and now, uh I won't name. >> Are you proposing to use herbicides or just hand cutting? >> Yeah, we're going to dig them out. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So we would need a we would have a mini excavator to dig out the
honeysuckle and you know the dead and dying trees, the leelands and that kind of thing. I wouldn't bring lom into that area. I would probably try to tail it a few times to exhaust the the weeds in there and then seed it
like next fall probably. Um if Great Island lets me do that. The problem with that is I don't want to look at dirt all season. It's a really busy area by the island right there. it's really front and center, you know. So, if there was a a situation where I had to bring in any
kind of loan, I I I just I really don't foresee me doing that and I'll let you know if I have to. >> Okay. >> Any questions? >> Britney, you have any questions? >> This is a good project. Thank you. Um, I would just recommend that all the tree
removal and invasive to be bree be removed off site >> off island. off island. Yeah, >> because they have their own pit, but off island completely. >> I'm fine with just off of the >> Yeah, just away from Yeah. >> from the water. >> Make a big brush. >> Yeah. Bring it to
>> an approved location. >> Okay. Yeah, absolutely. >> Um Okay. Um this is for negative two and three. Um we want to make a motion. >> So moved. Move. >> Second. >> Second. Okay. Okay, we have a >> whatever.
>> Okay, Ellie, >> in favor? >> All in favor? >> I >> I was going to get to that. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you guys very much. >> You're all set. We'll probably email your approval next week. >> Thank you.
>> Appreciate getting rid of the invasives. >> All right. Next is Paul Power for Eileen Sullivan 35 Arakcoy Boulevard propos excuse me addition in land subject to coastal flooding. >> Yeah.
Hello. >> Hello. >> Um, I'm Mike Shay. I'm here representing Paul. >> Okay. >> He's in route to Florida. His mother took a pretty nasty fall. >> Um, so my understanding this came up kind of quick with me to represent him
was I believe this was just to show proof that >> I'll just take >> um all the service went out notices and all that. >> Thanks. Um find my
>> Yeah. Why don't you just give a brief description of the project and if they have questions they'll ask you. Uh my understanding is he's just doing a small addition um to the property this address uh 34y.
I don't work with him. I'm just a friend here trying to >> Okay, got it. >> Oh, because he had to grab a flight to Florida >> and I and from these I think no tree removal is required. >> I do not believe so. Okay.
>> It's flood zone only. Does it have a roof? >> Yes. >> Oh, yes. Um >> just I just wanted to know if it had gutters and drainage off the roof, but >> um when you briefly discussed it with me to um come here tonight, I thought it
was just for the notice. >> Yeah. >> Send out all the butters and all that for those. >> Oh, it's for the whole project. >> For the whole Right. >> So, I mean, the site looks very very flat. Um, but no, they're not I don't see any proposed storm water management.
>> You think it's everything's okay? >> You can certainly ask for it if you'd like, but >> No, I just just was curious. Nothing else was >> Yes.
>> Okay. Um, so we could vote to recommend with a negative two. >> Yeah. >> Can I have a motion? >> Pat, move. >> So, move. >> Yep. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> It's good.
>> Negative2 is a good thing. >> Negative is a good thing. No off no impact. >> Thank you. And thank you for filling in for him, too. Who's that? >> Thank you for filling in. >> I hope his mother is okay.
>> Yes. Bad fall. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next is for George Davis Incorporated for Robert and Ian Wiggins. 61 Feeasant Cove Circle. Proposed addition in the buffer zone to a vegetated wetland.
>> I think you skipped one. >> Did I skip one? >> Oh, I'm sorry. I skipped one. >> 19. Sorry, we got 19 channel points. >> Let me do that first. Sorry about that. Um, Brady Consulting LLC for Dionicus
Yanadas. I apologize if I mispronounced it. 19 Channel Point Drive proposed hardscape and native plantings in land subject to coastal flooding. >> Good evening. Could uh can everybody hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yes.
>> Oh, hi. We actually require inperson representation for all of our RDAs, but so it'll be up to the commission whether they'd like to hear you on Zoom. >> Anybody have any issues with going ahead with Zoom? >> As long as we can hear you clearly. If
we can't, we'll have to suspend the uh hearing. >> Okay. My my apologies. Um my name is Bart Leinsky. I am the landscape architect at Grady Consulting. Uh we were hired by the um to help them
restore the property um at 19 Channel Point. We were brought in um after uh I guess there was uh pretty big
swatches of invasive material and overgrown uh existing uh material that was cleared before we came on to the project. Um so if you if you were able to visit the site, you
probably saw these two areas. Um basically the the west and west property line and the and the rear property line. >> Um we did put together um a well it's all native plantings. Um the homeowners
are interested in kind of creating this buffer around the property but not limiting any views. um especially off to the west where they could see the see the water. Um
so it it's again mostly natives. Uh we have a variety well red cedars, dogwoods, um ink berry, winterberry, bayberry um along the perimeters.
um perennials um foundation plantings around the house. Um there are two existing um shrub masses. Uh there's a big giant
roadie and a and a large burning bush right on the corner of uh Channel Point and Mark Way. So, we were interested in removing those because it it is a little tricky seeing the intersection or pulling out of the driveway. Uh, but we
would be replanting the end of the the existing wall. Um, again with winterberry, hydrangeanger, uh, perennials. Um, we we would create uh a crush stone
uh boat storage that we would screen from the abuter and from uh the homeowners uh the residents. Um, but we did do a pretty thorough visual survey of the neighborhood and
um, we're pretty confident that the plant pallet that we do have is uh will have no issues with with the uh with the environment. Um, and we're just, uh, looking to, you know, clean up the property and and
kind of get it get it up to speed, uh, you know, to to fit it in with with everything else around them. >> Okay. Um, I just have a quick question. When you write uh, fine grade, lom, fine
grade, and seed, uh, what is fine grade? So basically fine grade would be rake by hand, level out the the area a little bit. Um add some lom so that we could actually uh
expand the lawn area. Right now where the invasives were it's mostly sand. >> Um >> so yeah fine grade would be you know rake out the lom get it nice and smooth seed it and um and let let the lawn
reestablish itself. Okay, thank you. Anybody have any questions? Go ahead. >> Um I see that you have um the proposed 180 um I think that was meant to be square
foot SF uh concrete paper. Um I know they're sandfill open joints, but did you look at perhaps using permeable papers or why was that decision made? Uh we we just called it out as a concrete which it could be a permeable
concrete paver. Um it's really just a base that's different. Um and there is a little bit more space but if you know we won't have any issues if it's a a permeable PA patio. Um like I did mention um to sit in that area and look off to
the west is a pretty good view in the evenings. Um there's currently lawn in that space right now. So uh but as mentioned, we would have no issues if it was a a permeable uh concrete paver. And you're correct.
It should be square footage. Um it's a small patio off off the existing deck. >> Can we put that in the >> Yeah, let's do that. >> We'll put that in the condition to be permeable. >> Thank you. It's beautiful landscaping.
>> Thank you. And I and I we did um have a little bit of coordination with Britney about um some of the original plants and um we could update our plant list because it appears that we missed >> there's just one >> one hibiscus. Um there there are
actually we did replace them with beach plum. So there it should be four beach plum and no hibiscus. Um, >> okay. >> So, we could update that and um and include that um when we update the
note on the uh papers. >> That would be perfect. Thank you. That was my only comment that only one made it in there. I didn't actually find it on the plan anywhere. So, it might just be somewhere behind the layer. >> Yep. It's not on the plan. I think once we finished, we possibly just didn't
update that plant list. >> Anything else, Britney? >> No. I I would recommend a negative -2. >> Okay. Um can I hear a uh motion to recommend a negative negative two with the new plan? >> I'll do it. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Now I'll go back to where he is.
That's ery channel point two. We're on pheasant cove circle. Okay. So now we'll go to George Davis for Ann Robert and Annne Wiggins. 61 Feeasant Cove Circle proposed
addition in a buffer zone to a vegetated wetland. Could you introduce yourself? That would be great. >> Good evening. My name is George Davis. I'm here on behalf of um Bob and Anne Wiggins. Um I I confess I don't typically handle
conservation hearings for my clients. It's not my area of expertise, but I'll answer any questions that you have. Um, >> I have that. >> Yeah. So, this is a small 240 foot
addition in the outer buffer to a wetland in the flood zone. Um, it will require the removal of two 8 to 10 inch red cedars. um once that photo loads and they are agreeing to pro provide
some mitigation um at the proper ratio. Um but it's my understanding that the homeowners are intending to submit a notice of intent um for a garage expansion soon in the future. >> Yes, there is a phase two to this to this project that will be um applied for at a later date.
>> Yes. Um do you know when? um hopefully this spring before you know or even this winter. So, you know, sooner than later, it's it's really a a timing issue with Down Cave Engineering. >> Okay. And so, um they've got the area allocated, but since they have another
plan in process, they're going to make sure to include this allocated area, but have the details on the surveyed site plan when they submit the notice of intent with the plant outlines and everything for that. Um, so it's Down Cape Engineering is the
surveyor. >> Yes. Yeah. Down Cape. >> There's also one other issue on the site. Um, >> there's a a walkway out into the buff into the wetland
that's not permitted. And so Down Cape will have to include that on the notice of intent or the homeowners will have to remove it. It's not. >> There's also a number of open order of conditions for this site that I'll send to Down Cape that they need to have closed during when they submit their
notice of intent. close. See that line that kind of goes off the drawing? That's a 100 footer. >> Yes. >> Okay, I see it now. Yeah. So here's that walkway. >> Am I right? When they come back, he has
to include the walkway in it or take it out. >> Yeah. So the walkway will have to be removed since it's unpermitted or they have to include it in the future NOI. um understanding that they will likely have to make changes um basically elevating
it and providing spacing since it's killing all the vegetation below it and there can be no adverse impact in the wetland. >> You also have to have some spacing between the boards. >> Yeah. So I can send this all to down cape. >> Yeah. >> And the homeowner.
>> Yeah. >> So we really didn't need the house plans right there. you you submitted I think they're house plans from 1988 or >> um the plan >> I just didn't know if I was supposed to look at those for anything new. >> Yeah, the plan is for an addition for
the RDA is for an addition, >> right? But I couldn't >> where >> it's the yellow >> the addition is in yellow. This is the addition, >> right? Yeah, but these that don't drawings these >> Yeah. We don't generally need the
building the building plans. >> Yeah, that's all I was like, what's >> it confuses us. >> It confuses us. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that um when they come back, um they need to think about that
boardwalk because I'll be honest with you, I would not approve that boardwalk as it is. It have to be up >> higher so it's not destroying the vegetation. and spacing would need would need to be underneath it. And we just don't want
any negative impact. And we'd have to know what kind of wood they're using for the uh for the boardwalk >> and the footings. >> Is it pressuret treated? If not, so I think we need to come up with a date that we would need if the NOI are
definitely have to get rid of the boardwalk by >> I think April 1st. If you said they're aiming for spring, they could probably do the notice by then or get rid of it if they don't want to include it. >> That way, plain things can be done. >> Yeah, that that makes sense. >> I mean, earlier than April 1 would be great, but
>> for us as well. >> Um but so the addition, you're trying to do that this winter, right, before the next phase? >> Yeah, the objective is to get the addition done >> um before the summer so that they can use the house in the summer as they they would imagine you'd like them to be able
to. Um, and then the garage edition, um, doesn't so much impact their use of the house. That's kind of the idea. >> Okay. >> I got lost. Is this a circle or the road? Pleasant Cove. >> Say it again.
>> Is it Pleasant Cove Circle or Pleasant Cove Road? >> Pleasant Cove circle. >> Circle. >> Okay. So, you have to change that on the drawings. That's embarrassing. I'm looking forward. >> Um, it also looks like you are showing the garage edition on this plan.
>> The the we've tried to take that out several times. I think there's we had the same issue with historic. Um, okay. It's >> I think I um >> fine with also if you're fine with me crossing it out and >> just cross it out. Yeah, it's not supposed to be on on the plan. Okay.
>> We'll make the square footage. >> I've had to explain myself several times on that. So, I'd recommend a negative three um with planting plan or included in the notice um by the spring. >> Okay. Um
on the deck, I'm a little confused on the We're talking about increasing the spacing. But are we talking about that for now? >> No. >> No, that's going to be later. >> Yeah. So, the deck the this walkway was put in without a permit. So, it's a violation. But the deck when they do
they do come >> late for it later. >> Yeah. >> We're going to be talking about raising it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Good. >> Yeah. So, we'd expect to see at least modified to include it being elevated probably at least 3 feet. >> Yeah. and including deck spacing similar
to our dock and pier uh regulations >> which I presume that's with the piles they have there that would accommodate that right >> they don't have any piles >> it's just they just have 4x4s
>> I mean to be just to be clear if they don't want to change that then they just have to take it out go from there. Those are their two choices. To come back with a plan they know we'll accept and or just take it out by April 1st.
That's their choice. >> Okay. Do I anybody in the audience? Anybody online? Lots of people online. >> Yeah. I don't know what everyone's >> um Okay. Um do I hear a motion to accept with a negative three um special
conditions? >> Yeah. Anybody second? >> Second. All >> in favor? >> I >> Okay. Anybody opposed? No. >> Great. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
>> We're going to post the house. >> Okay. Uh, next one is Jeremy Anderson for Harry Straoud Whitmir Road, Unit 8, proposed decks in the buffer zone to a coastal bank. different names.
>> Circle. >> Does not look like it. >> So, what do we do? >> We'll skip it and come back to later. >> Oh, there we go. >> Can you hear? >> Yes. >> Hi, this is Jeremy Anderson um
representing Kathy Straoud for nine windmir unit A. I'm going to say the same thing we said earlier that normally we expect people to be here in who are representing rather than online. Oh, >> I'm sorry to hear that. Um I I got an
email that said either in location or at Zoom. So I thought Zoom was okay. I apologize. >> Oh, no. It's in all of our filing forms that you have to be here. Um but it's up to the commission. We >> we'll listen to you as long as we can understand you. That's That's why sometimes we have trouble with Zoom and
so if we have a problem, we'll just have to continue. But go ahead. >> Understandable. I apologize again. Um, so Harry and Kathy Stroud are looking to put a 9 foot6 by 6 foot deck on the back of their condo, similar to the one to
the n to the left if you're looking at the back of the condo as the neighbor. as well as um their front porch is currently I believe it's 6' 5t and they want to extend that to 12t x 5 foot and
it's within the buffer zone so they're willing to um put mitigation plantings in I believe they selected 18 red fern and four um beach plum
and then I'm open to any questions you may have. >> Um, so we're having 285 square feet of mitigation. >> That's accurate. >> Okay. Anybody have any questions? >> I was just wondering if we could get
something better for the record or is this document sufficient >> for a planting plan? >> Yeah, >> that's up to the commission. I mean, it's a sketch plan with the RDA. Um,
usually we'd require the we need to know the the pot sizes and the spacing, but I did send them the Barnesville County list, which is how they made this plan. Um, so as long as they use at least three gallons and we could put a special
condition pot size is three gallons and spacing consistent with Bartsville County. um is a seven foot wide 40 foot long bed they should be able to implement. But that is um a good point and that's what one of my proposed
policy updates will be for our next meeting is to have sufficient planting plans from a professional so it's easy for the homeowner to implement in the future. >> But it just wasn't definitive either actually. I think I would rather use 21 like what you know what I mean like what
is he gonna write? >> Yeah. >> The comment was Yeah, I think you should revise the landscape plan to show proposed 21 sweet burn three gallons at three foot on center and proposed four beach plums
five three gallons 5 foot on center um because it's just kind of open-ended and we need to have a date on it and the the author >> that yeah that kind of stuff. Yeah. No, I I think the hand drawing is is great, you know, of the deck.
It's what it used to be. Okay. So, you're saying the hand drawing of the deck is not sufficient. >> Oh, no. No, that's fine. >> Oh, the deck is fine. It's the planting plan. >> We just needed to have, you know, the address, the date, the author, um, and the plants proposed instead of you
saying, "Actually, I think I would rather," you know what I mean? >> Like something more definite. >> Okay. Okay. So, the plan I dropped off that would need to be updated with the author, the three gallon plants, and then the five foot on center. Is that
correct? >> The one with the yellow plants on it. >> Okay. >> We passed 61. >> What's that SF and BP? >> I think what we could do is approve with the uh >> Yeah, you can't continue an RDA. So, you
would have to condition. We'll approve with the condition that you send uh send uh Britney the plan so she can approve it. >> Okay, I can do that. >> So, let's uh let me hear a um negative three for
>> which is a good thing. >> Win mayor road motion. >> So, move that >> second. >> All in favor? >> I post. Okay. So, just get the plan to a more uh a better plan to uh Britney and
she'll uh we'll go from there. >> All right, sounds good. I appreciate your time. You guys have a good evening and ladies. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Can you mute yourself? Okay, Britney, I'm not sure what how
this got in there. >> That's a continuence request that you need to read for our next item. >> That's the next. Ah, okay. So, next one is uh hold on pieces of paper here.
>> Yep. Uh SE831899 of continued request for for COC. Deborah Deborah Salvi, 54 Heritage Drive. I have a letter from her. Good morning, Britney. I would like to request an extension on the hearing
for file numbers 80 0831 1923 0831 1899 regarding 15 Heritage Drive that was scheduled for this Thursday to be moved to the November 20th meeting. I apologize for the inconvenience. Appreciate your help with everything. Um,
do I hear a motion to accept? So move, Jack. >> Yeah. >> Second. >> Second, >> Ellie. Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I Okay. So, I put that back here. >> You're up. >> Next is What's the date?
>> The 20th. >> November 20th. >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. Next one is um a COC for Tim and Claudia Norton at 13 Webster Road. Patience,
we have anything we need? >> Hello. Yes. So, last time um sorry, one second. Uh we requested for the COC to be complete for them to plant some additional shrubs. They've planted
the woody shrubs along the border. Um the names are in and we've also requested that the wall be certified from Down Cape Engineering um so as it would be confirmed to perform its original function. Um Downcape Engineering has certified the wall as
has a representative for the neighbor. Um he had an engineer look at the wall as well and so Ron Ron Cadillac is happy with the wall. Um, so based on those two items, I would requue the certificate of compliance with
ongoing conditions 7, 11, and 12. And those ongoing conditions are just uh I can get them out for you. They're just they would go in perpetuity with the with the house. Um, and those are the drive they remain
pvious materials. Um the ve vegetation will remain will be removed and no dumping in the vegetation area. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> So do I have a motion to accept uh to the COC? >> So moved.
>> Thank you. Second, Jack. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. So all done. >> This is a time crunch, right? Or >> couple of weeks. Okay. The 17th is a closing. >> 17th. Okay, we'll have it to you before
then. >> 21. So, Down Cape would have to come pick it up. >> Oh, is that okay? >> Unless you want us to mail it, but sometimes that can take a while. >> So, I can coordinate with them to come pick it up. >> Yes. Is that >> Yeah, no worries.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next is um SE 832213, James and Tanny Sabin. 66 Noddingham Drive. Uh the COC requests it's okay to
issue ongoing conditions 15 through 19. Do I hear a motion to accept? >> I did I did email Down Cape to tell them that no one needed to come, but I guess they didn't tell you. >> They said they would send you the memo.
>> We did our best. >> Can't accept. >> You got it. >> You might as well wait till we vote. >> Thank you, God. I'm sorry. >> Go ahead. Pat moved. Second. >> Motion to >> have a great evening.
>> Yeah, >> Jack. Second. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you. >> Well, we did our best to try to >> Right. I let them know. >> All right. Next on our agenda is the
approval of minutes from 101625. Do we have enough people to vote? What's Ellie? Ellie, are you here? 10. No. So, we don't we have to wait on that. >> Y. >> Okay. So, have to delay that. And do you want to make your announcement? >> Yeah. So, the town um I applied for a
Massachusetts state land grant. It's through the Department of Conservation Services and we received our grant. Um it's for um the article 11 under town meeting is for the acquisition of a parcel of land directly adjacent to Taylor Bray Farm. It's 3.14 acres and so
the land grant um is an award for reimbursement to 54% of the purchase price. So right now the award is $327,000. too. >> So, just because this town meeting is right before our next meeting um and the
the contract just has to get obviously we have to wait make sure we get approved hopefully. Everyone come to town meeting please and vote for our land acquisition. Um we just want to get the contract out to them as soon as possible after town meeting so they have all the paperwork in hand. So, we have
the whole >> 17th. >> Yeah. Town meeting is on the 17th at 6 p.m. at the DY Intermediate School. Um, we do have to get all the commissioners to sign it. So, I'll have to track down Paul and Bradford. Um, but if there are two copies there, >> right, >> you can sign both.
>> Now, where's the rest of the money coming from? >> Uh, the total purchase price is 600,000. So, the rest of the funding um is coming from would be coming from community preservation and free cash uh pending the approval of the town meeting vote.
It's all in a single article. >> Great. Okay. There two signatures. >> Thanks. >> Congratulations. >> That's very nice. Okay. Anybody? Let's see. Any other business special town meetings on here?
>> Yeah. >> Any other business? Not reasonably anticipated. >> Nice tour of the uh plant. Um wastewater plant. Um a little wet but nice. Rain
came heavily down just when I got in the car. Um so and uh things are moving along. I guess what we voted on tonight will be the new um
pumping station. I think even though at our meeting on Monday they said there they had three possible areas but I >> since we're not voting on other two I assume this is going to go through. I don't know what the selective voted on on Tuesday.
>> Oh thank you. Um, so hearing nothing else, should we vote to adjurnn? A motion to adjurnn. >> I think so. I will. >> Okay. And second by Pat. All in favor? I
>> that was mine.