convene after. >> Yeah, that's not on. >> That's okay. >> Are you on? >> Yeah, >> I don't know because it's not a federal >> gonna begin. So, I'm gonna open up >> recording in progress. >> I'm gonna open up the session and then closed it. >> So, good evening. This is the Thursday,
October 16th meeting of the Conservation Commission. Um and we are about to go into executive session pursuant to chapter 38 section 21 A6 to discuss litigation related to Two Butterup Lane
and Oyster Cove Road. Open session will reconvene at the end of the executive session. Thank you. >> Recording stopped. recording in progress. So, >> good evening. We're coming out of
executive session um and in person and on Zoom for our conservation commission meeting on Thursday, October 16th. So we're going to begin with the emergency certifi certificate from Fallen's Pond
Road Bode ramp transformer oil spill on roadway and surface waters on 1013 initial cleanup and response has been completed. >> Britney or is there someone >> someone on Zoom from Tenbon? Yeah, Matt is here.
>> That's correct. Can you hear me? Yes. >> Go ahead. >> Tim Monu from Eversource is also on the call. >> Okay. >> Can you guys just give us a quick rundown what happened and your response? >> Sure. Tim, are are you available, Tim?
I can um I can just give you the quick rundown. So essentially in the nor easter there was a pole that was located um near 36 pond road transformer came down in the street.
There was about 27 gallons of nonPCB oil less than one part per million that was discharged to the roadway. Uh approximately half of that volume went into um one of the the storm drains
that were that was in the road. Um and the rest sort of migrated down the asphalt roadway towards Fallen's Pond. We responded that morning with Clean Harbors Environmental Services to conduct response actions. Um there was
minimal sheening identified to surface water in Fallen's pond. There was no free product on surface water identified. So we applied um multiple layers of boom in the pond, both uh absorbent boom and and hard containment
boom to contain any of that sheening from migrating beyond uh the water's edge. From our assessment activities, we identified a small amount of sheening to uh the sand just if you're looking at
the pond immediately off the right hand side of the roadway. So, some of that soil was um excavated with um you know permission from the commission. We collected a few soil samples from the sand that we're still
waiting for lab analysis for. Uh so that's kind of the the status um on where we stand now as uh response actions at this point are complete pending any analytical data. Um some of
what we did to mitigate the roadway was we popped the storm water structures, pumped them out, powerwashed them, cleaned them, recovered any oil that was in the structures themselves. Uh we powerwashed and cleaned the road and
captured all the wash water. Um so as of today, things are looking pretty good. There's very minimal machining left, so we'll keep the the booms in place. Um and that should be the the completion of response actions.
Part of what we need to do since this release was reported to um the mass D, we need to close this out with what's called a permanent solution statement, which will include a summary of essentially what happened, the results
of the samples we collected from the sand, and once the sheen is gone from surface water, we'll also collect surface water samples. So that permanent solution report will have a summary of all that information and um essentially
a risk assessment for any of the impacted media. >> Okay. Are is that it? >> That's that's a summary of what we did. I don't know if there's any questions for um retire bond or other source at this point. I'm going to open that up to
the commission. Anybody have a question? No. Any Britney, you want to say anything? >> Um, as long as you can send us that permanent response material after you're completed. And usually with an emergency certificate, a follow-up notice of
intent may be required. I don't think one is required in this case since the the sand that they removed was minimal. Anybody anybody in the audience question comments? No. Anybody online? You see
any hands raised, Mr. Good Eyes? Okay. Um, so we need a motion to um >> ratify >> ratify the revi or ratify the emergency certificate. Do I have a motion? >> So moved.
>> Second. Anybody? Second. Um, Jack. Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? No. Okay. Thank you. >> Uh so I'm sorry the audio was just a little hard to hear. So we will obviously follow up with a a copy of the
permanent solution. Is that >> Yes. You said >> that was all that was added and um you'll have the ratified emergency certificate next week. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Bye now. >> Okay.
What happened to our presentation? Is that not happening? >> Uh, it's moved to November 6th. >> Okay. Um, I think I knew that. Okay. Our next one is request for determination applicability.
Excuse me. The Yamoth Water Department, 451 Forest Road, proposed seasonal PFAS, treatment facilities for wells 10 and 11 within the waterfront area and the buffer zone to a bordering vegetated wetland. >> You just identify yourself.
>> Yeah, of course. Um I'm Tyler Bernier. I'm the project manager with Kleinfelder, the consultant working with um the Yarmouth Water Department on the project. And I believe Lori is online on Zoom listening in as well. Um so I can give a quick background of
the project if that's helpful for everyone. Um both wells 10 and 11 which are located off Forest Road um are located on the same parcel 451 Forest Road. Those wells have been removed from service for some time now due to POS
contamination that exceeds the Massachusetts maximum contaminant limit as well as the um upcoming EPA maximum contaminant limits for uh POS. So the pro the objective of this project is to return those wells to active
service by installing um granular activated carbon uh absorption units to absorb POS. Um the project also includes currently wells 10 and 11 operate entirely separately. Um so the other
portion of the project is to connect well 11 to well 10 with a new raw water man that runs down the existing um cleared electrical easement as well as forest up north up forest road to the well 10 site. um water from the two
wells will be blended together prior to entering the well 10 corrosion control facility and then water will be um sent through the new PAS uh absorption units. Um the work involves some some minor
activities within the um riverfront area of of Plash's brook as well as the bordering vegetated wetland the the buffer zone to the bordering vegetated wetlands associated with that brook. Um it is our stance that those activities
occurring within the jurisdictional areas the riverfront and the buffer zone to the bordering vegetated wetland would um be constituted as minor activities in accordance with uh 310 CMR section 10.02
02 um where there are a number of exemptions listed for existing utility structures um as well as subgrade utilities installed in existing paved or unpaved roadways.
>> Don't want to load my photos. >> Ready to get to something? >> Nope. Yeah, I just can't share the photos. Sorry. Um any questions for anybody? >> As I recall, we visit that site and um you're going to be putting in native
plantings on the rather than some of the things you had proposed. >> Yes, I um got that comment yesterday after the site uh the site walk and that is not a problem. We can certainly use native grasses to restore that area. Um
the town does maintain some of that area because that there's utilities in that electrical easement, but we can certainly use native grasses as opposed to um other products that we would use on other landscaped areas.
>> Not sure it has to be grasses, but ground cover. >> Yeah. Any Sure. They are >> we we can use whatever native seed mix the commission prefers we use there. >> This ongoing or is is there an end to this?
>> Uh there's an end to it. The we have currently applied for state revolving fund um funding for the project. So we will wrap up our design documents and get the project out to bid in the spring. Um probably early spring,
January, February. we'll put it out to bid. Um, and then some of the treatment equipment has very long lead times, so we wouldn't expect any construction to start for probably 8 to 10 months after that until they actually have the
equipment on hand. Um, but by the spring of 2027, the the project will be installed and complete and there will be no further construction work at that time. At that point, would the wells be open then in the spring of >> Yeah, that's when the wells would be
returned to service is in the spring of 2027. Our goal is to have those wells online for the summer season of 2027. >> Anybody? >> Um, yeah. Is there a lifespan to the carbon capture system and any like
follow-up maintenance that would be >> Yeah. Um, so the system itself, not so much. Those are steel vessels. They're coated with a full solids epoxy system. So they they may require some recotating. Um especially given that they're being stored outdoors in a um
close to the ocean. Um but that that maintenance I wouldn't expect to be more than every 10 years or so. Maybe they would require some recoding. As far as the media that exists within the filters, um that media, we're estimating based on the pilot studies that we've
conducted that that media will last 18 to 24 months of filter time. So, if the town is only planning to use them in the summer months, that could be 3 or 4 years of actual operational time. Um the
standard the standard approach to replacing media is that um the town will enter into a contract with a GAC supplier. Um they will come they'll remove the media they'll take it to their incineration facility where they
will incinerate they'll heat the carbon up to incinerate the POS gets trapped in air scrubbers on the top of the facility and then they will bring that regenerated uh GAC media back when they need to replace it the next time. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Anybody else? Britney? >> Nope. All said thank you. Anybody in the audience? Uh, anybody online? I don't see any hands raised. Okay. Do I hear a Do I hear a motion to um
Where is my line? There it is. to accept um the uh trick tree clearing and needed for the treatment area and storm water basement and restore the disturbed area as as
requested with native woodland ground cover and recommend a negative -2 and three. >> Oh, motion >> a motion second. Anybody? >> I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> Okay, great. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Okay, next is 115 South Street in RDA. Proposed patio retaining wall and steps with regrading in the buffer zone to a BVW. uh in the flood zone. [Music]
>> Sean Olri uh representing well Sean Olry from Landscaping representing John and Joanne Moahan 115 South Street in South Yarmouth. We are proposing to install a um a larger patio than what's existing, a retaining wall with stairs, uh an
upper walkway and some regrading to the new wall within u outside the 50 but within the buffer zone. Um along with uh a little after the regrading, we also have proposed 950 ft
of mitigation plantings at a little over 2 to1. >> Speedy Okay. Anybody have any questions? >> I would just hope that uh you'll have enough protection around that nicesized oak.
>> Yeah. In fact, we're taking the p the existing patio that's right on top of the oak and we're bullying it away so we can put some plantings around it and give uh give room because we don't want the roots to come up and hit the patio in order we don't want to damage them. >> And so there'll be no major equipment or anything.
>> There's a dingo that's going to come in. We have to pull all the existing um irregular blue stone that you see there and then dig out for a base of compressed aggregate and top it with masonry sand for the street level and that's what the stone sits on top of.
>> So, how far away is the new patio going to be from the tree? tree. Um I don't have a 20 scale with me, but we were out it's um from the tree we're looking about four to five feet if I'm I mean it's tough to tell without the scale but
>> Okay. So from the trunk of the tree. Yeah. Because you're the plan shows that it's hard to tell. So as long as you're staying >> got it point he's got the tree pointed but he doesn't have the the diameter out. But u yeah the point was so because because we can see the roots coming up. We didn't want the roots to be affected
nor the patio to get affected. So that's why we pushed that away. >> Okay. >> Of course, roots can be impacted by too much cover as well as too little. So, >> right. And it's it is permeable. We're not we're not pouring any concrete or anything on top of that
>> or soil. I'm just soil sometimes. >> Yeah. >> And is this the existing is this a cesspool back here? >> I don't know what that is. It must be an old >> sistern or something. We just noticed it when we were spiking the the uh 50 mark,
but it's not their septic, so I have no idea. >> Okay. As long as they don't need access to it because they'll be planting the 50. >> Yeah, we're going to be Yeah, we have planting there and it's it's not their septic. So, I don't know what I don't even I don't know if it's just sitting there, if there's something underneath of it. But >> when was the house built >> from a long time ago?
>> When was the house built? Do you know? >> I do not. you I mean back in the old days those were places you'd put your uh garbage you know your >> bottle dumps and >> I haven't lifted it so I don't know
>> I know I had one in my house and well obviously we got rid of it but >> great >> um anybody in the audience have any questions or comments? Anybody online? Having seen none, do I hear a um motion
to accept um the proposal with the negative two and three? >> I will. >> Okay. Anybody second? Pat. >> All in favor? >> I. >> No one opposed. Okay, we're all set. Thank you. >> Perfect. Thanks so much.
>> Okay. Whoops. Thank you. >> Our next um is SE832499 gown Cape Engineering for Steven and Kimberly Deval 37 India Memorial Drive proposed deck stairs rinse station and
vista pruning and buffer zones to uh BVW and Long Pond. Good evening, commissioners. Uh Dan Ojula, um Downkeep Engineering. I'm a land surveyor and also a civil engineer. Um you may recall um we had come back for just some minor revisions to the
plan. We clarified that um or Britney had asked we bumped the fence a foot off of the uh work limit line, which we did do that. We clarified the gate and and and the extension um and the different line type and um we um called out the
plantings um as you recall it's kind of a the steps are in rough shape so you tend to walk beside them. So to prevent that we're putting in the ground cover plantings there and there's a note to maintain it only four foot wide which is your standard. Um, what else? Was there
another revision? >> Per note. >> Uh, yeah, I think those are most of the comments. Oh, the the fence. Very important that we had the vertical slat fence. Um, and we can keep the bottom a full six inches off the ground if you want to condition that. We put four to six in the plan, but um, they have a big
dog, so it wouldn't be a problem to have six inches if you'd like. I think those are the the items. Um, hopefully you find it's reasonable, and I'd be glad to answer any questions if you have them. Well, my only comment question would be, you know, that slope around the steps is
pretty tough to to reveate or wondering if what your approach might be. >> Um, well, we it's got some moss and, you know, some ground cover there. So what the plan was um just put native plug
species in 18 in on center really just blanket it with um uh some of the plants that Britney had mentioned you know the the ground cover type plants and in that manner you know we would try not to disturb I'm sure there's roots under there from some of the neighboring trees so we just just plug it and let that
fill in naturally but once we have a good set of stairs you'll want to walk there not on those plants so we fill it just kind of naturally reveate as else. >> Well, also, um, you were going to, it doesn't say in
I didn't notice a statement that Britney is going to be there or conservation agent be there when you're discussing the trimming, >> the vista pruning. >> Yeah, we can special condition. Usually with all this Vista pruning, we'll have
a site visit at at the pre-construction meeting. We'll review >> Vista. The first note is that um Vista pruning is to be done only after the contractor contacts a conservation agent for review of scope and protocols. And
um you know, we've got the the normal protocols here. So, looks like we we can kind of pick that up. You can put a condition on and we'll point to that first note under the vest clearing protocol. Make sure that happens that they don't go um don't go silly with their with their pruning.
>> Anybody else? >> Pitch vine that you're taking down. >> Um >> yeah, missed that. >> If we have a picture >> the leaner. >> Yeah, it's over here. It's tagged >> planting something to replace that.
>> We absolutely refuse to do that. >> I don't know. you know, I I I I guess we could, you know, this this lot is pretty heavily treated other than that. Um, you know, the whole northeast quadrant is all woods all the way over to the neighbors and the um you know, it's
pretty shady over there. Um I I guess would ask that we not be required to do that, but if if the majority of the commission would like a replacement tree, we could consider it. It's between the 50 and the 100 where normally you allow, you know, houses and everything else.
Anybody else? Anything else? Britney, >> I just would request that you reward the note on the pier. >> Permit found >> well >> to be permitted. >> Yeah. So, not to be permitted under separate application or not included
with this application or something like that. because it says to be permitted. >> Oh, I guess you could read it to be Yeah. Yeah. >> That's all. Thank you. >> Oh, yeah. I know Mark Mark Burgess is under contract to do that, but uh we'll uh
>> Yeah. appear to be permitted separately. >> Separately, >> not by this vote. >> Yes. >> Sneak it sneak it right in. Yeah. >> Separately. >> Sneaky guy you are. >> That would be all. Thank you. Um, anybody else anybody in the audience
have any anybody online have any questions or comments? Okay. Do I hear a motion to accept um with with comments um conditions?
>> Pending revised plan. >> Yeah. Pending rewarding. Um, and and I wasn't going to bring it up, but I because I was sure it wouldn't make a difference, but since we're revising a plan, I'm also going to shorten up this fence and just run it like that. So, you won't have any of
this fence over here, just for the record. >> Over where? >> So, in other words, um, the the fence with the gate, they say, you know, Dan, we got to think about we don't really want all that fenced area, so we're just going to return it right to the corner of the deck. >> Oh, okay. >> So, it's much less fencing than than
would be approved otherwise. And so, um, I'll bring that in as a revision if it's okay with the board. Um, just short, >> h well, you know, they they go on walks. I guess it's it's not a huge yard left for him, but, you know, he'll he'll be okay.
>> So, do I hear a motion? >> Oh, sorry. You It's a There's a standard condition that we always include in there that when you're replacing lawn, it be with drought tolerant fescue since we're in the 35. Is that acceptable for the patio
>> where the Okay, >> you're >> sorry for the interruption. >> Revising your >> I I will make a motion to accept pending plan revisions. And I think that's all we need. >> And with special conditions and >> with special conditions. There we go.
>> Anybody uh want to second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Speak up, Paul. >> Um, >> sorry. >> All in favor? >> Okay, great. Nobody opposed. >> I appreciate your careful consideration
and thank you very much. >> Okay. >> Um, we're taking these COC's >> separately. >> Separately. >> Okay. So the first COC is SE 832388 Allen and Julie Norcross 60, excuse me,
Ice House Road. Britney, >> um, this COC is all set with ongoing conditions 12,6 and 17 with the caveat that they need to seek permitting for their kayak rack. And there's some patio
pa debris at the bottom of the staircase um that they've agreed to remove. Okay. >> Anybody have any questions for Britney? >> So, they're willing to remove that. Are they aware they need the permitting for
their kayak rack? >> Yeah, they are permitting they're planning to permit a separate garage as well. And so, I told them to include the kayak rack in that RDA and they were okay with that. >> Okay, cool. Yeah, we did we did put that in writing with an email or they put it in writing to us in an email and I think
we transferred to to Britney. Oh yeah. >> Okay. Cool. Okay. >> I hear a motion to accept the COC. Issue it. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> Okay. Great. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> We can do um so Dan is also representing >> serious. >> Yeah. Send some signature pages down. >> I'm sorry. What? >> Dan's also res representing 13 Webster if you want to do that one next. So, >> get to in a minute.
>> I meant to put those back to back. >> And Ice House Road. Is that what we just approved? Yep. [Applause] >> Choose the next one. Webster Road.
>> Yes. >> Okay. We'll jump to Webster Road. SC832405. Tim and Claudia Norton. 13 Webster Road. Uh, give me one second. Uh, Britney.
>> So, this was an after the fact notice of intent filing for um extensive hardscape done on site. Um, this was the the approved site plan required some plantings in place, some native plantings in various beds around the
property and the rebuilding of two retaining walls. one within the the interior of the site and one on the side of an ab butter. Um that was due to some undermining of a wall there. Um, unfortunately, most of the plants they installed were non-native vegetation,
and it appeared that the wall on the side of the property was not installed to the specks of the approved plan. Um, which were only put on there to service to support the a butter's wall, which was undermined during the construction.
Um, so I would recommend to the commission um that this be continued for some additional native plantings of vegetation and for the wall to be constructed according to plan. >> I could I could um help shed some light
on the um on the situation. So um I reviewed this and I apologize. I had left a message for Joe later to late today, but um we we looked it over u during construction um uh the neighbor
um on on August 25th had sent a little memo in um to the commission um and um was concerned that there wasn't a gravel base under it and it wasn't quite tall enough. Um, a few days later, um, um,
this they they gave me the construction protocol of of what they did. This was published a few days later on 828. So, it was dug down. You can see the neighbor's wall there. Um, it was uh 12 in to accommodate half height of a block and and then the block above it. Um,
they installed a gravel base and I I can give you this, Britney. I I didn't think we would get to this level of specivity, but um they put the gravel base in down there um uh beneath the wall and again the neighbor was concerned it was sand only. Here they are compacting that
section of wall with a with a hand compactor. Um the note says, you know, 3T maximum, but that it varies. And I told him just to cover the toe uh and and um and that would be adequate because it's a very short wall next next
door and it's uh between uh six and and and uh uh seven timbers high I believe is what the exact number is. I've got some photographs to show that. But here they are. Um the blocks are coming up beside that wall there.
And here they are covering it. Uh the last cap wall wasn't quite in yet. So what it is is that there's one, two, three, four, five um um timbers that go across here. Beneath that is sand. And so this completely
covers those five. Uh there's a sixth timber which is deeper here. So there's even more coverage. There's one 4ft section between here and here. Uh which they're probably only covering the bottom timber by about 3 or 4 in. Now, would it have been nice of us to, you
know, put some sand in there behind the wall, but, you know, that would have gone on to um Mr. Cadillac's property. So, I I guess our guy felt a little bit uncomfortable about doing anything on the neighbor's property. You know, they've been unfortunately been kind of butting heads a little bit. So, um but
in looking at it as an engineer, I think it's wholly adequate what they built there. Um it's a very very uh small uh load. Um, it fully covers the the toe, which was the design intent. And then you can see, uh, right next to it, it
steps up like another foot higher, and that's that's in in good shape there. So, there's one section of about 3 and 1/2 ft that has, you know, an inch or two additional coverage, and then there's much more everywhere else. So, it's there's no need to do anything more to this wall. It's it's fine in my
professional opinion. Um the plantings um Claudia Norton is here. Um she gave me a a very extensive list of the the plantings, but there is scarlet oak which is native. There's some smooth aster which is native.
There's four summer suites, a plethora um that's native on the front of the house. There's eight uh smooth leaf aers which are native. the um red roses I guess aren't you know particularly but you know even even a non-native like that has some wildlife habitat the bees
like them um there's uh >> some anyway there's an extensive plant list here again some of them may not be you know fully but they all came from country garden and their um you know hydrangeas and things which you typically see and I'd remind the board
too that you you know, um this is not in a buffer zone to a wetland. It's a uh over the hill from, you know, 200 and something feet away from the edge of the water and in in a bowl of natural surrounded by houses and
a road and um you know, your regulations do you know talk about wildlife habitat and so forth, but again there's there's not a buffer zone that we can protect with plantings. It's uh simply a small house on a residential area. And um you
know, a lot of them, you know, again, we did call out native. I I'm not entirely sure why we had to go all native, but um you know, there's a lot of plants here which are native and um many which are, you know, pretty typical. foam flour, big leaf hydrangeanger, red roses,
yellow roses, scarlet oak, hummingbird and summer sweet, smooth leaf aster um you know along the northeast border there's six boxes with two plantings these so she added plantings beyond what we're required to do and some of those are non-native but um the smoothly
disaster is native. >> Thank you Dan. Um the the only issue I've have with the plantings I'm happy that most of them are native. I didn't do the site visit. Joe said there were some non-natives there. Um, this was all mature forest. So, the point of the, you
know, five large shrubs on this side, they're supposed to be large shrubs, you know, big woody material. >> That's the only issue I had with the plantings is that they're small perennials, small shrubs. >> So, if we get if we put um >> just throw a couple big something big in there.
>> Okay. Some some larger natives along that. >> So, you're in the flood zone. So, we want to just replace some of the root root material. >> And again, um just as background so you guys remember that they didn't really want to do anything, but they had to replace their septic and it was a huge mess. The septic system, you know, raped
up raed up a bunch of the lot and then they had a huge flood. The the basement flooded, the water ran down the back and into the basement. And so they put in, you know, a ton of um drainage systems. And while they were there, they started with some hardscape. So it wasn't really that they intended to do all this work.
It was more that they were they had to do a bunch of drainage and then to terrace the land and cause infil get better infiltration is where they this all started. So um but to your point there was some natives trees left there that did get cleared. So um >> even small trees >> so all we have to do I suppose that's
that's not unreasonable. >> Do you want to say any any words to that? Hi, my name is Claudia Norton. >> Can you talk into the microphone, please? Thank you. >> Repeat your name, please. >> Hi, my name is Claudia Norton. >> Uh, if you go for the plant and every
single dot, they are we plant a native plant and we mix with a another. The meaning is in the in the box when you see is a hydrangeian plus and a and native plants
and in every and the others is just native. We put a a tree and in front is roses with and a native plants. >> Yeah, I don't have a problem with the native plants that you planted. They were just supposed to be large shrubs or
small trees some of them. Um, so I I I'm sorry was a little confused because I thought and every single is at least one plant, the native plant. Yeah. And we did it. >> And so obviously it's up to the commission, but I would just recommend
that maybe two or three larger. >> They are growing. They are big right now. >> It's up to the board what to decide there. It just was some bigger plans. And then regarding the wall, um I mean Dan, it would be up to you to
kind of stamp sign off on this saying it kind of matches it. It looks like at least this could be backfilled this gap, otherwise it's not really supporting it. Is that not correct? >> Well, again, it was it's been freestanding for a long time. It certainly wouldn't hurt anything to put
put a little bit of uh sand in there. Would you guys agree to fill that with sand if the neighbor was okay with it or gravel? Put a little fill fill that crack with some gravel. Um I think it's reasonable to do just take some crushed stone and fill that >> there for two years and nothing move.
>> No, it it generally >> long term it would be good to have it in there. >> Who? You have to acknowledge him if you want him to >> um not sure who that was. So >> it was Tim. >> Tim. >> Yes, Tim here.
>> Go ahead. >> Hi. I appre I appreciate I think I agree with everything that's and thank you Danny and and my wife Claudia. I think you hit all the points. I just I will just add interject the uh the gap is a result of our wall going straight up and their wall going because we started
right against the wall but their wall tilts back. So that's resulted in the gap. But anyways and that um we had as Claudia said all the intent. We do have what two a couple of trees in the back uh but not along that north edge. I just
thought I'd interject. And the uh home the we have uh buyers uh we're trying to pass papers on that uh we're thrilled with the landscaping uh as it is. So I not that that uh should matter too much, but I just thought I'd throw that out
there. Thank you. Any questions from the commission? Comments? I know Mr. Cadillac wants to talk, so I'm going to let him. Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Mr. Cadillac, my turn.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, I guess the first question I have for Dan is you're saying the wall that they built on Sunday, the 24th of August has been entirely replaced with another wall. Is that what you're saying?
>> What I'm seeing here is that I have photographs showing um you I believe your letter stated that it was built on sand. This is clearly gravel. This is compacting the gravel. >> No, it was built on the soil. It wasn't
sand. It was just brown soil. But you're saying that someone else >> I think they might have redone it. Yeah. I'm I'm >> I didn't see anyone come in there. And the reality is that wall is not high enough. I just measured down from my
walls level. 2 ft down from the top of the wall is where the compacted soil would need to be put. Which if they built a wall with a 2-in cap would mean the top of the wall has to be 22 in down. And the wall that's there, I just
measured it before I came tonight. is 28 in down. So, we're not adequately backfilled and there is a gap there, too. But the blocks that I witnessed being placed on the 24th Sunday, and I took pictures of them. I have more of
it. They're not interlocking blocks. And in order to be a retaining wall, you have on your cross-section that they're interlocking blocks and they're spaced in. And these these are vertical and
I've looked at it and I've watched and I haven't seen anyone come and reconstruct that wall. So I'm not happy with that wall. It's inadequate. >> The um >> and uh as an I'm concerned that if there's a heavy rain from a hurricane,
my wall could give out because the bottom is not anchored properly. So that's my situation. >> Britney, what was on the original plan about that wall? Here's the original plan. It shows
six blocks high with the back back fill. >> Yeah, that's a typical detail. And if you had a if you had a a three or four foot high wall, you'd put in uh Morafhi filter fabric and and lifts like that. So, that's that's just a standard
detail. What they really need here is just like basically a curb stone. The um the blocks that he use are are a ready rock product. Uh the way that they lock together, Ron, is you you fill them with gravel and the gravel, they call it rock lock, but the gravel interlocks and
prevents them from slipping. And really, that's all we really need in this situation. It's up above your toe, a full a full um I'm getting a little feedback here, but a a full um uh timber for the majority. And then there's one section, like I say, it's about three
and a half feet where they've got maybe two inches over the bottom of your toe. Uh, and then it's much more as it tears up. There's simply no way a small wall like that is going to fail. It It's absolutely fine. Um, I think if we agree to fill that with um, you know, with
sandy material, um, that would certainly help. Um, and, you know, you could safely remove those boards uh, whenever you felt like it to, you know, improve the aesthetics and so forth. But it's not going anywhere. There's simply no weight on it that would would cause a failure. The toe is protected. Um, it's
well constructed. Um, it's uh it's not a it's not a situation that's going to fail. >> So, the fact that it has no no stone underneath it >> and it has no footing. The fact you're you're happy that the wall was built without a footing.
>> I'm sorry, Ron. That's not true. >> This is not true. >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Please. >> Can I go? >> Not yet. >> I can't help him going on lying like this. >> Wait a minute. >> We've got photographs that show the stone. I just have a question, Dan. >> Why wasn't the wall built to the plan?
>> Was >> this is not as tall as it's shown on the plan is and does it serve the same exact function or would the function be better if it was built taller? >> So, what's shown on the plan is is a schematic drawing. Um again, um all you
really need to do is protect that toe, be an inch or two over it. Uh you know, between one and um and and and it and it it will it will serve the purpose, you know, the design intent. Um again, there's high walls on here that that wouldn't, you know, what what they built
there wouldn't be adequate, but what they put there, um in my opinion, is adequate. Um, you know, I I I don't know if Ron looked at it just when there was sand there, but I mean, here here's unless they are amazing at Photoshop. There's a, you know, a solid um
foundation compacted gravel and um >> it's on bare earth. There's no footing. >> Well, >> and I have a picture right here that I took while they were building it on Sunday afternoon. >> Not yet. >> I'm going to I'm just going to keep going here. The commission has only can
only make a ruling on their plans. Um, the fact is the wall was built lower, but if Dan can certify as an engineer that it performs the same function to support the wall, the commission may grant that, but it is up to the
commission. >> Normally, we don't have a >> we usually don't debate about walls. Um, >> can we speak? >> Can I say something more? >> I think we should >> I think the commission should discuss it among themselves first.
>> I get a rebuttal. We don't take public comments >> on COC's. So I think we've heard from everybody. >> I think it's up to the commission now to decide what to do and >> but he's a liar. He's those >> I'm not going to listen to that. Thank you. >> Well, yeah, we
the Yeah, it I think there's been some miscommunication here. Um I would like from my experience um you can't tell if it's adequate or not from the diagrams that we have
there. Um for instance are the timbers on the corner attached to what so that are like nails or bolts through them? >> Yeah. Well, what what Ron did is
apparently a pretty decent wall. Uh it's it was in his dialogue. >> Just please answer. >> Yes. It's interlocked. Yeah. >> They're not folded. They're not nailed. >> We're talking about um the neighbors wall. >> Yes. >> Um only he could answer that, but it
certainly looks to me like they're timber locked together. And um it was, you know, 30-year pressuret treated landscape timber wall. >> It's that old. >> Not particularly tall. No, no, no. It was a replacement that was only done a few years back. Um, he's got the lang he's got the uh the date in a letter
that he submitted to the commission. But we're not talking about a huge wall here. It's it's a it's a very >> we're talking about a wall that has a higher level the timber than a small wall below that is trying to retain the
dirt from coming underneath or pushing out the timber. >> So this was from >> this is this is there there it is. That's the picture that that's what you would call the problem. >> Yeah. So, this is from the old originally where it was open exposed cuz they excavated down a couple of feet. >> Yeah.
>> So, they wanted to with the approved plan was to provide a wall >> that would basically replace where the sand was where where the dirt was before >> which comes up to almost a top of this wall. >> Correct. >> And then the covers the bottom timber.
Well, >> so the bottom line is uh Britney feels that and you correct me if I'm wrong, Britney, please. >> I mean, the commission fails. >> I've already >> If Dan was to come up with was to certify
the validity of this wall, that may be something we can accept or we can make them redo the wall to the plan. Is that fair, Britney? Do I have that right? Those are our two options. I think
>> if they redid the wall to the plan, how high would that wall be? >> There currently is no >> Yeah, we we didn't specify um you know, I think we had a discussion. I had a a rough sketch and I says, "Look, all you got to do is put a row of blocks along
the bottom there to hold that toe and you're going to be fine." We ended up showing a wall section with, you know, that would be over the top of his wall. It would be ridiculous to put in something like that. Um, so, um, I I am comfortable with what they did. Um, I w I am uncomfortable with it not being
backfilled behind the between the walls, but I think it's just that we have a little bit of headbutting here. So, I think as a compromise, if if Mr. Cadillac is willing to allow us to um, put a little bit of rock on his land, rock and sand to back fill the wall. um
we'll um take another look at it, make sure they've got it topped off with with the rock lock to make sure that that wall doesn't shift and I'll certify that there's zero problems out there and I think that would be a good way to resolve it. >> Can go ahead. >> Can you certify that if you filled in
behind that wall with sand or gravel or anything other than waterproofing, water is not going to go in there and cause a failure from behind? >> Yes. Is this Dr. Brown? >> Yeah. No, it's it's it's simply not an issue there.
>> Yeah. You know, I don't know. It's it's it's a little bit confusing to me. I'm forget I don't know what I'm forgetting about this entire thing. Um it's an odd construction as far as I see. And um if if Dan is saying that that's going to do
what was intended in the in the project and it was then then I think that's that's fine. Yeah, it meets my design intent um with a few tweaks um which we can easily do.
So there what I what I'm going to recommend is that we continue this till we get the wall plan and certification and that uh the native additional native plan plants are uh installed with ongoing conditions 7 11 and
>> how many plants and >> what >> I think you should specify how many plants and what size >> you talked about three or four right >> it's up to you >> we we show five native shrub bushes in that southwest corner to to Britney's
point and I think would be happy to put um you know five three gallon you know native shrubs in that area. >> Okay. So >> to supplement the planting boxes >> long as they're native >> I'm good with five three gallon >> three gallon yeah >> plantings that are native >> shrubs. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Back to the wall just for a second. So is the the new wall is that right on the applicant's property line? Yes. Yes. >> As close as close can be. Yeah. >> Close. And and the other wall is a little bit off of Mr. Cadillac's
property line. >> It's as close as close can be. They're they're both almost within inches of each other. Very very very close. >> Okay. Well, thanks. >> We're going to take literally two wheelbarrows of gravel to fill that in. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, we have a motion on the floor. One I just moved. Anybody want to second?
>> I'll second that. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. So you motion to approve or continue? >> Continue. >> To continue. >> So we have to get to continue. >> Yeah, it needs to be. So the next
>> If you want to approve it and then hold it until Britney's happy, we're fine with that. I don't know if you do that to facilitate the sale or not, but um >> it's not a huge lift. >> Well, we've already voted. >> Yeah, we've already voted to continue. So we'll continue till when
>> you can revise the motion but it is uh if you want to continue to 116 that's the next meeting but they do have a sale >> controversial enough I'd like to see it come back to us. >> Okay thank you really appreciate your careful >> I think you didn't vote did you? You
just motioned. I didn't hear it. >> Continue to >> have to revise the motion. >> Revise the motion to continue to November six. >> And I'm second. Do I hear a second for that? >> Second.
>> Second. Okay. >> Second. >> All in favor of that I >> did that. >> Okay. >> Uh I guess yeah, >> I'm not signing it. Go back down. >> All right. Next one is
SE wrong paper. SE 832104 Phil and Nance Carone 14 and 20 Kingsbury Way is a COC and Britney.
>> Yes. So, this um is the result of an after the-act filing for clearing. Oh, sorry. That's the wrong thing I'm reading from. Um this was an original permit for invasive species management. >> Can you go outside and talk in the hallway? Dan.
>> Hey, Dan. Could you go in the hallway? >> Hello, Dan. >> Sorry. >> Can you guys go in the hallway and talk? Thank you. Okay. I'm sorry. >> No worries. >> This way I can hear you. >> Yes. Um this was for originally for an invasive species management plan to
manage bamboo and fragmitees. Um there was enforcement because mowing had continued beyond the expiration of a permit. Um in which case they came back with an an alternative plan um which involved no buffer plantings because
they since they had stopped managing of the fragmitees and bamboo they were worried none of the native plantings would survive. And so ultimately they had to install a fence marking the conservation land since they were managing fragmitees off property and they had to plant three trees. So the
trees did go in this past spring and usually they have to be in for two full growing seasons prior to a COC request being eligible. Um so they went in in the spring. One of them is here to replace a tree that was removed in the
50ft buffer. You can see the sign and fence are up for the marking of the conservation land. Um the other two trees are in place on conservation owned property. They have some watering bags on them. Um but they did we did notice
some dirty fill. There's asphalt and concrete in there if you could possibly remove those from the planting beds of the trees just so they have a better chance to survive. Um, and there's still some mowing going on behind the fence. Um, so the fence should mark the limit
of any any disturbance. So, no mowing should be taking place on the conservation property side of the fence. Looks like you mow a little bit of a pathway to m to water the trees as well. And there's that second tree there. And
for That's okay. Go ahead. >> Oh, yeah. Um, I ended up getting Lyme disease going down there. So I asked right after I found out I asked if he would just do that because I didn't want to be walking in the tall grass >> the water. Okay. Um, that's fine.
And so since these have just gone in, I would I would recommend to the commission to continue this COC request until next fall. So the trees are in for the full two growing seasons. Um, and once they're established, uh, no mowing at all behind the fence with ongoing
conditions 12, 13, and 15, but ultimately I'm request, uh, recommending it be continued just because they haven't been in place long enough. >> Any questions from comments? No. >> Okay. So, um, >> we do we get to say anything?
>> Um, not normally, but >> I think it's I think it's very important because we've done a tremendous amount of work that this commission has asked us to do without anything coming back to us. We would like to have this closed out and there's a number of reasons and
I'll go over the things that we've paid for without without question. We haven't questioned you throughout this whole ordeal. Um we've been here. This is our third time. First time we we were here present. for the second time. Unfortunately, we were held up in 3
hours of traffic coming from Boston. Did not make it. We did talk to to uh Ed Hoops uh at the end of the session had an opportunity his words where I want this closed out that that's what we want. And I'm going
to tell you why it should be why it should be closed out. >> Okay. The understanding that we usually ask for two growing seasons. We had three years of monitoring already. Three years of monitoring. I hired a landscape designer. I'm going to go through my
list. I hired a landscape designer. I hired a wetland scientist to do wetland study and delineation. I hired a land surveyor. I had a fence put put in on demand. No, no delay whatsoever.
I offered to reconstitute 17,000 square feet of wetlands. I was approved by this board. When I wasn't when I didn't show up, you canned it. You went there and it all went away. We didn't have a word to say. Now, we're asked to plant three
trees to replace one tree that wasn't even in the conservation area. >> Yes, it was. It was in the >> It was not It was 120 ft outside of it. We did not argue with you. We did not put a fuss up. Okay. >> And it went to three trees. One tree.
No, no, no. I I I I am >> asking you to calm down. >> I I will calm down. I We cut down one dead cedar tree. >> We have pictures of it. If we need proof that it was dead, we had no idea that we were supposed to call conservation to
cut a dead tree down that was on our property. Uh we have a picture of it. It's 120 ft outside the buffer zone. All of that, three trees for one tree. Where does that come from? Is that a
rule? Is that in Is that written down somewhere or did you just >> find that in our regulations? Actually, the tree replacement policy is based on the size of the tree. >> How how big was a tree? >> How many inches? >> How tell me how many feet. >> I'm not going to argue for this anymore. You just said that. >> In our original decision, and you've
already implemented >> here. I am going to ask you to stop. >> I It's just This is This is just crazy. I spent probably $20,000 just in the work that we did with the other conservation committee and I got nothing for it and now you want to hold me
>> captive for it. We follow what our regulations and our bylaws are and what the state regulations and bylaws are. It's not up to us if you did something before we came on board. It's not up to us to to worry about how much it cost or
anything. That's not within our bylaws. It's not within our I I'm I'm a person of the town. >> How can you say it doesn't matter how much you make me do and pay for nothing? How how is that? >> It's protect It's to protect the wetland
and it's to protect the >> everything we've done. >> That's as much as I'm going to hear. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I appreciate your I appreciate what you did. I like the sign you put up. I think the fence looks great. So there are things we appreciate, but um
>> can I ask what responsibility we have on these trees that you're holding me captive? your responsibility. They're going to be they're going to die. >> Well, that's why we have the two-year requirements so that you're >> What am I supposed to do? Then I come back and they're dead. Then what happens?
>> You made me put them in the wetlands. It's a jungle. What do I do? I can't cut around them. So if you if you're going to say I have two years to monitor them, then I have to have some opportunity to have success. I don't want to come here
a year and a half from today and say, "Hey, you know, the jungle came back because you canned everything that we did. The trees are dead. Now what >> are you asking to for permission to water them or to clip vines from the base?" >> We asked that already. You clearly said stated no.
>> We have it in writing. >> Well, you can clip vines from the base for the next year and water. >> No. And then when somebody calls that you see us down there when she was planting the trees and you're going to call and harass us again. >> I don't think I never called and
harassed you. >> They've never called and harassed you. >> Sometimes we we email you this commission. >> Sir, I've had enough. >> No, it's not it's not right. I I pay my taxes in this town. >> We all do and volunteers and we all and our >> believe me, I'm very grateful for that.
>> And our and our job is to protect the environment. If there are people who do things in town, I'm not saying you are one of them, but oftentimes it costs them much more than what you had to pay because they did something that they weren't supposed to do. >> It's up to you.
>> We made one mistake and it was honest, >> right? Well, that honest mistakes, but >> we made one mistake and it was it was honest. >> They have to be taken care of >> and we kept cutting and and we take full responsibility for that. >> Thank you. I think we're at where we decide what to
do about the COC. Um, do we want to um I I don't know what to do with this. >> We want to recommend continuing fall to next fall so the trees can be established or do we want to uh do the COC? >> Yeah. You know, it's so unfortunate that
this kind of thing happens because we're trying to do our job and the property owners are trying to do their part in terms of >> many aspects of things that sometimes get muddled for many um confusing reasons. I think you
probably you did make a good faith effort. Things didn't work out. I don't like the fact that towns people come here and they are are kind of stifled in terms of being able to at least I would recommend calmly discuss some of the
some of the problems that they faced in terms of meeting the requirements of for example the COC. So um you know and sometimes I think we all get a little bit confused about because some of these things take place I'll say I do they
take place over a period of time where it's hard to remember all of the specifics of the problem. I know there was mowing going on. I know there was an effort to um control air um vegetation, bamboo and so on on town property and
there was discussions about the fact that you can't you can't concern you can't cut things down on town property all that kind of thing. But at this particular point in time, I think that it would be beneficial to approve the COC and if
there are violations in the future that are noticed at some point in time by somebody in some situation, then that would be addressed. But I think this there there's been a lot of effort. I know a lot of times we don't like to we can't control how much things cost, but
people do put in a good amount of money into the resolution of problems. And I don't think it's fair to continue to kind of hammer away at it. Let it take its course, pass the COC, and then if things happen in the future that look
like they're violations, address it at that time. >> Does that make sense? >> I'm hearing what you said. Yeah. >> Um, do you want to make a motion to before you do, does anybody else have anything to say? >> Yeah. Um, with the original order that
was issued, I want to say it was 2018 or something like that, >> 2017. >> 2017. Thank you. Um, part of that was one of those original conditions was to put in the fence. If I do recall, that was not done and there was a lot of push
back last year. Um, >> we were going to do plantings instead. >> Doing the plantings instead of the board decided not to. They preferred the fence. We did prefer. >> Can I speak? >> Yeah. Sorry. >> Um, so I I do understand that you've
done a lot and put in a lot of effort to comply with what the commission has asked. It was not originally complied with. That fence was always in that original order. and you did really push us hard to go against that fence. We
ultimately asked you to put it in. You put it in. I appreciate that. I understand your frustrations with uh the two-year wait to apply for a COC when you have mitigation plantings. I understand that it it does
feel frustrating when you've done the work and you just have to wait for a uh permit processing thing. Um obviously the ecology doesn't wait for a permit processing. So, I I do actually agree to
um issue this COC today with a good understanding that you guys will do your best to water those trees and maintain them. Um, but I do not appreciate the aggressiveness that you came in to this
>> that was not appreciated at all and I almost wanted to continue it just to irk you a little bit more but I restrained myself because there we go. That's all I have to say. >> I appreciate that and I apologize. Uh,
and just in full exposure, we appreciate everything you people do. it and we tried to do everything for the ecology of the land as well. We didn't want to use pesticides. We you know initially that that's why I said just spray everything and we we were
doing stuff by hand. Um you know so we are trying to do the things correctly and that's why we've acted so quickly when you said no you have to do this and we got it done and uh I just we want to do the right thing. >> Hey Paul, you want to I'm sorry. You
want to say something? >> I want to say that you know that when we give this you're on the spot, not us. >> Yes. >> Of course. >> Yeah. >> So that uh because when we say two three years to find out if plantings are going to
work, we're taking on the responsibility of helping you find out what's good or bad. Is there w too much water there? Things like that. In this case, you're taking on the responsibility or you would be >> understood. >> Yeah. >> Paul, would you like to make a motion
>> to um pass the CLC or to Yes. >> with ongoing conditions 1213 and 15? >> Say that again. >> With ongoing conditions 12, 13, and 15. >> Okay. As stated. >> Okay. So, the trees >> no dumping, no mowing. >> I'll second.
>> Okay. So the what's on the >> third one >> is to accept is to grant the COC with future ongoing conditions 12 13 and 15 >> and that they water and maintain the uh trees. >> Okay. I think we're going to do this individually or
>> roll call. >> I'm sorry. What? >> I just said what you said. >> Second. You second, right? >> I second. Okay. Let's do a roll call >> starting with Paul. I >> I >> I Okay. 123 and 15.
>> 123 to 15. >> Sorry, I was just going to tell you what they were. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. I appreciate that. [Applause] No long shall no lawn shall exist beyond the native vegetated buffer, landscape debris, no dumping. Um, and the mowing shall stop at the property line where
the fence is installed. >> And we we can trim the vines that go onto those trees >> only if they are climbing. >> Yeah. >> Well, they >> they already are. >> They will be. the one down the um Sweet Bay Magnolia House has grape vine
already on it. And that asphalt must have been because we took out five dump trucks of construction material when this development was put in in the 60s. That was all on us. It was, you know, on our dime, but it was dumped on
Yarmouth's conservation. That must have been in the hole when they dug to plant that tree. That asphalt must have been >> all the rain must have washed. Just the big chunks you can see if you can take them up from that tree. >> Yeah, that shouldn't be there.
>> I mean, we spent $1,000 on those trees. Believe me, we want them to survive. >> Okay. >> Thank you. We we appreciate >> you overlooking the two years and >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. And uh once again, I
apologize for my um aggressiveness. not not pointed at anyone in particular. Just my own personal frustration with uh >> thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um okay, we're into the approval of
minutes on September 18th and October 2nd. Do we have to take those separately? >> Do whatever you want. >> Well, I don't know if anybody wants >> comments on October 2nd. >> Okay, let's do them separately then. September 18th. Uh, we were all here on September 18th, I believe. Okay. Can I
hear a motion to accept the minutes from September 18th? >> Move. >> I'll second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Um, October 2nd. Mr. Frost, >> you better come up with something.
>> Jack, I'd really appreciate if you send these in writing when I send the minutes out. Then we could have them fixed by the time we meet. >> Oh, okay. I don't think I would. >> Okay. >> Um, page three, we're not a board, we're a commission.
>> Same thing. We'll fix it. >> Uh, and also I think we on the last page or no, four on Wood Road. Oh, essentially that was taken care of. But I think even at that point we asked
that the you be there during the discussion of pruning. That's not mentioned in here. Is that really >> there was no pruning for Woodro. >> What was the other one? Indian. >> Not I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I was mixing up what was going on. What I was looking at. That's because my computer gave out. So, are you saying you want me to add the special conditions for the last minutes instead of this minutes about the pruning >> um >> for Indian memorial?
>> I guess you're right. I'll amend it. >> I'll propose the amended. >> Okay. So, you want to accept as amended? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Second. Anybody? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Great. >> Thank you for
>> cleanup day, Miss Clean up day. November 1st. >> Saw something today somewhere. >> Clean up trash. >> It's from the town. >> Yeah, it should be posted around town
this week. >> Um I'm just going to mention that the letter that was finally approved for the uh about the irrigation and use and watering is going to the select board on Tuesday. they've all received it. Um, I did wa go
over to the water department to talk to Laura so she wasn't surprised by it, you know, and also she gave me a nice tour of the from the from the distance of what was going on back there with the
wastewater plant. So on November, let me get my calendar out. Sorry, I should have prepared for this. the first Monday in November, whatever the date that is. Um, first Monday, November, November 3rd at
2 o'clock. We are uh the wastewater um advisory council is going to meet over there for a tour and um I'm step over hopefully not overstepping my boundaries but inviting you guys to come but I'd like to know so I can just tell so they
have enough hard hats and enough other things and to bring boots muddy boots. >> This is for where >> to to take a tour of the of what's going on in the wastewater plant. Oh, >> okay. There's much more to see. >> Yeah, the tree plant.
>> What date did you say that? >> Um, >> I'll send you an email. LJ will send you an email. >> Okay. >> November uh 3rd at 2 o'clock. >> What day of the week is that? >> That's a Monday. >> Monday. >> That would be great.
>> Advisory Council meets at 4. So, we wanted to do everything in one day. If it rains hard or something, we'd probably cancel. wastewater treatment for the entire Cape or just yard >> just
>> so we meet on the >> we'll meet at the water department >> 99 Buck Island >> but I need to I need an RSVP just so I have enough hard hats and everything else >> I will be there >> I'll come >> I'm um the the first
>> first Monday of November >> the date >> the second third >> the third and it's a Monday >> at 2 p.m. two. >> I will not be there. >> Okay. >> Work day. >> You have one real jobs. >> I I'll I'll come.
>> Okay. So, >> I don't look that good in a hard hat, though. >> All right. Well, we'll we'll try to do our best to find you a good >> Where are my old football helmet? How was I? >> And that it for me. >> That's it. >> We did interview somebody, two people
for the uh opening and that's still ongoing. Who's we? >> Uh the first time was Britney and myself and the second time was Joe and myself. >> Okay. So is that standard operating procedure now? Because you know when I when I came on it was done differently.
I think everybody had a different experience. Could that be >> I think under Britney it's become a standard operating procedure to have one >> my choice. It's the select board appointments chair >> and so they are not including anybody
from the board on these. >> What do you mean? Oh no. Joyce. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sorry. >> Was a select select board member. She's in charge of uh >> of appointments. She was there both times. >> Okay. But it's different. Again, you
know, thinking back to that those days is not how it was done. But that's okay. because a lot of things change and sometimes they change without any explanation. So that's all right. >> Well, the board has I mean the select board has been talking about this for what two months and really trying to
figure out how they were going to really continue ranking or you know making rankings and all that and who had to be there. So I'm not sure I haven't seen the actual final or do I know if they even have come to a final but this is
what they're doing in as an interim. I think I was >> How many applicants were there for that? >> Uh well, >> Slim >> Slim Pickins. >> Yeah. >> And so then then you're saying that the select board interviewed this person with Britney and
>> Joyce interviewed Who's Joyce? >> Joyce Flynn, the >> she's the appointments chair. >> Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. >> And she was there for both. >> Britney was out with Jack and um doing um >> site visits. And so Joe and I sat in
>> I see just just to go back when when I came on they asked me to come to a meeting they asked me to go back into what was then Kelly Grant's office down here. The whole commission came down and asked me a bunch of questions and found out how
much I didn't know and then it went to the selectman. I talked with Mark Forest and then I was appointed to the committee. That's the way they did it then. I'm not saying that that was the proper way, but I think there's been several variations along that idea over the years. And it's
too bad that >> um they can't figure out just maybe they figured out how to do it, but they don't let anybody know how they do it. >> I think the select board decides each decide, but there should be decides how they want to do it. But when I was here, if you remember, I sat through like six
or eight meetings and then you guys sitting here asked me a series of questions. >> Okay? And then I'm not I think I must have me met with Mark and and Kelly and then >> yeah. So the thing is and I remember that because I remember I wonder why is this guy sitting out in the audience
single >> weird looking guy sitting there >> but any but the thing is it's it's um when things are done differently every time and then you hear that okay somebody is you know in the final stages of it and as a commission member you don't know. >> So >> I would say there's not really a final
stage. There's one stage. >> We're not in the final stage. >> One interview. >> We have two interview two people. One of whom we probably will not and the other person was still >> investigating, you know, background. >> Must be a highpaying job, right?
>> Well, you just don't want, you know, >> for all the commissions. This is how they're getting all their volunteers now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, you want to make sure the person we do select has >> select. uh the we recommend has the uh
desire to learn everything and has has a background that >> I'm I'm not arguing with that one single bit. just that it seems like there's variations along the same idea every time you go to find somebody >> not you I mean a town or
>> and the problem really is there's not a lot of people knocking down the door to wants to become part of any commission at this point or any board. >> Yeah, I'm not so sure that's what I'm talking about though. >> But I mean so that
that's different too. and some >> I don't know if the town is aggressive enough in looking for people. Well, maybe so. But the other thing is that I think sometimes um if we don't have a a um well-defined procedure, you could
run into a situation, I think we maybe already did in a certain way, where somebody thinks that the board just is acting in a um unfair manner towards that individual for whatever reason, you know, and not considering the merits of
that individual. or his talent or her talent or her understanding of what the commission is all about. >> I understand. >> So that's that's a dangerous place to go in my opinion. >> Well, there's a overall discussion about whether or not
a person has enough experience or knowledge like you're just saying how are they qualified? But for instance, the health board is always has to be doctors and so forth. And this is you know an ongoing discussion I think for
every committee board is are we getting the right kind of people in your days they were depend on your exper well they took no they depended on your experience in agencies and your work experience and
your interview how well you did so I think that I'm talking myself into a whole >> but if backgroundation If there are so few applicants, you have to unfortunately you have to lower the bar a little bit, right?
>> Uh if you're desperate for a whole, you lower the bar a little bit because you need you need people on the commission and I've seen a lot of on the job training in these committees I've been on, >> you know. >> Yeah. I mean, I had no science
background, you know. >> Um >> I never took a science class in my entire life. Oh, that's not true. >> Until MACC >> graduated high school with that. Well, I I think that your comments today and
yours were exceptionally good for the one issue that and I think like you know I I mentioned how well we did on Bill Lane and I think that you two were congratulated for how well you
felt expressed your feelings and yet at the same time were able to keep the people and turn them around to really see our I just didn't want him to attack Britney. >> Well, you were. >> Um,
>> are we not doing anything about Chris? >> Um, so you got plans for 27 Grismmail. Yeah, >> I issued the order of conditions today. Um, the plans hit 85% of our comments. Um, the rest I addressed in the special conditions, but
they're planting. He's buying the seed. He's going to get it stabilized. So, >> so I don't need this anymore. >> You don't? I just wanted to give it to you cuz he gave it me eight copies. >> This is the one that >> I wanted you to look at it. >> Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I saw that. I thought I just included it from last >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean, they get the right >> pile and I was like, this isn't on the agenda. >> That's fine. >> All right. So, can I hear anybody else have anything they want to add today? >> Can I hear a motion to journ? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Second. We're journinging at uh Oh, all
in favor? I So excited. >> Uh at 6:38 according to that uh clock.