recording in progress. >> Good evening. Welcome to the Conservation Commission meeting on Thursday, February 19th. Our first piece of business is continued notice of intent 83217
of out of the town of Yamoth 110 wear road proposed ecological restoration including cranberry bog and stream restoration removal of tidal restrictions and water control structures undersized culver replacement
and public access components bordering vegetative wetland salt marsh riverfront area and land underwater bodies coastal bank and land subject to coastal flooding I got it Bishop,
>> good evening. >> Good afternoon. Good evening. >> And Rick Bishop, executive director, Friends of Bass River. For the record, >> um, we were waiting for D numbers as well as comments from Mass Division of Marine Fisheries, which the commission
has received. Um, I think we've we've satisfied everything we were looking for from the last hearing. >> Yes. So, we drafted the special conditions and sent them out to project partners. Um, any questions were resolved and just summarize the DMF comments. They are going to put two time
of year restrictions on the work. One from March 15th to June 30th to protect eels and one from September 1st to November 15th to um protect the sensitive life stages of diadimous species. Um but the second one can
proceed if the control measures are in place prior to the start of that water um time of year restriction. They also requested that the invasive species management be submitted to them for comment prior to the start of work.
And did the commission have any comments on the draft special conditions? >> I would just add them to our list. >> Yeah, we would just include the DMF comments directly into the special. >> I think the only discussion we had uh
this has to do with onsite um person on site are coming to check on the work. Um I think we asked we are proposing at one point proposing every week but I think we talked about
every two weeks and uh I don't know the gentleman's name but he >> at this point uh Mr. Chairman we've uh I think the bi-weekly meetings are acceptable. >> Okay. And if he can't make it then one of his and this is an issue I assume
he'll come right away. >> Indeed. Anybody have any questions for Mr. Bishop? >> Anything else? >> Anybody in the audience have a question for this?
Anybody online? Raise your hand. Don't see anybody raising your hand. So, can I hear a motion to accept uh this notice of intent? conditions. Second.
All in favor? >> I Okay. >> Like to thank the conservation commission for the support and looking forward to the next few years working together on this. >> You for the record. Commissioners Bova and Mullhern signed the Mullins form.
They weren't here for the first meeting, but they reviewed the minutes, so they're able to vote. >> Okay. Okay, next is uh S E832515 Cape Cod Engineering for Joseph Amarello 56 Pleasant Street proposed bulkhead
replacement on coastal bank land subject to coastal flooding and riverfront area. Good evening. I am Bob Perry, Cape Cod Engineering. Um I do have a plan with me. You may put it up. And we'd also have the certified male green cards here
that we can give you if you like. We're here. I know I came in with them, but don't don't bet on it. Here we are. >> I think this may be the second time that the commission issued uh uh reviewed this project. I know that I was involved
I'm going to guess 15 years ago or so and I think some repairs were made to the bulkhead at that time but if you've been there then you know it's it's in pretty rough shape. This is a marine seaw wall fairly low crested elevation
about between five and six uh at 56 Pleasant Street. It's um engaged with the tide over most of its length and it it has a associated area. Um, since our filing, uh, we were asked
to get a little bit more information. So, we submitted a planting restoration plan for a 5-ft strip along the cap area and gave you an estimate of fill. The collapsed areas along the perimeter require some soil. Uh, the way this job
would be done is we access down the lawn from Pleasant Street. I believe a There may be a small marine barge um since it's a marine construction company that will build this and they will probably bring some things in from the water
side. Um but um just fairly minor small equipment like a mini excavator to torque in the anchors. This area might have been where there were former salt works and some fill in the Bass River. So, um, if the, uh,
helical anchors aren't as sound, we've got a provision for a dead man anchor system, which is an alternate. And I just wanted you to see that on the plan because it's a possibility. It's very traditional. Um, the old material would be removed from the site completely. Um,
when these things are done, I don't know how often you see them, but, um, they would basically pull back the material, extract the old materials in segments. So effectively what you have at that point for a very temporary period is a is a beach
and the materials go in get fixed in place bolted and the fill goes in as we go with the final amount of fill at the end. And the um the planting is beach grass with a
smattering of Virginia rose or Carolina rose. I know I had Virginia on here, but Carolina, I don't know what your preferences are quite similar. And they're both considered native. The grass area for access is a turf lawn and
so I could imagine that would be dented if it's not um matted and that would just be top dressed with top soil and receded. I don't know. They might resold it, but I don't think there'd be any need to do that. Um
don't call whether we had anything serious from DMF. I don't think we had much feedback except that they received the project. It set the boundary of the tide boundary here. Um so I'd say this job might take two weeks
by a good marine crew. No surprises that I could see ahead, but I'd be happy to answer your questions. Thank you. questions. >> Um, no, you addressed all my concerns
prior. Um, DMF just is going to limit any intertitle zone to low tide, two hours on either side of low tide and no refueling, no time of year restriction or anything else. >> Thank you. >> You said no time of year. I didn't see one either in the Thank you. That's that
works. I don't think anyone will be there in the summer though. You never know though. >> Anybody in the audience have questions or comments? Anybody online? Raise your hand. See anybody?
Is there a motion to accept notice of intent? >> So move a second. >> I'll say. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Okay. Okay. Well, thank you. Was
straightforward. Appreciate your attention to it. >> Thank you. >> See you soon. >> The next uh is a notice of intent for SE832520 Cape Cod Engineering for Bass River Property LLC 222 Pleasant Street.
Proposed reconstruction and raising of an existing pier on Coastal Beach land under the ocean. containing shellfish, salt marsh, and line subject to coastal flooding. They're asking for a continuence because the meeting for the
meeting that was cancelled. >> Yeah, the waterways and shellfish advisory board meeting was canceled. >> They didn't meet ahead of time. So, we're going to wait for them to meet before they bring it back. So, we want to continue to what date >> to March 19th. >> March 19th. Can I hear
>> some? Second. Second right here. All in favor have a folder for this one. >> No. >> Okay. We will go to the next one which is uh
We did get the number SE83-2521 Whitten for town of Yarmouth Grove Street post storm water retrofit project including pavement removal bio bio retention area and management of invasive species and land subject to coastal flooding coastal dune and its
buffer zone and riverfront area. Good evening, members of the commission. Um, I'm Nate Weton. I'm senior project manager with the Yarmouth Department of Public Works, and we're excited to be here with our storm water remediation design team, the association to preserve
Cape Cod and the Horsely Whitten Group to talk about the next storm water Yarmouth stormwater remediation project, which is Grove Street. This is actually this the latest in a series of projects that we've been working on. And so for members of the commission that may not
be familiar with the prior work. I'll just mention that, you know, as you know, storm water polluted storm water is the number two source of ex excess nutrients in our streams, ponds, rivers, and estuaries. In 22 and 23, the design
team evaluated more than 80 potential storm water remediation sites, prioritized 28 that were the most effective, and then selected a handful of sites to bring through final design. In 2025, we completed construction of the Stannisway Green storm water
project, which features a bio retention basin. It's a feature that's included in the Grove Street project, as you'll see. um provides space for the storm water to go and then uh with the the plants the selective plants uh through root uptake
uh takes out the nutrients in the storm water. Um additionally in 2025 we built a constructed wetland on Curve Hill Road that treats storm water pollution as would a natural wetland. And this is one of my favorite projects. I mean how often do people actually build a
wetland? I mean seriously. Um well, Yarmouth built one last year. It's very cool and I'd encourage you to take a look. Um design and construction of this work has been funded through a series of state and federal grants which the Association to Preserve Cape Cod has
secured and the town is grateful for this effort. So for introductions, um I'll introduce April W from the Association to Preserve Cape Cod. our team leader. Her title is restoration program manager and Mass Bay's regional
coordinator. April is very effective at identifying, applying for, and obtaining grants that have funded these efforts. Also, you'll be hearing from Amy Ball, a senior associate, uh, an ecology expert at the Horsely Whitten Group, and
Janelle Very, project designer at the Horsely Whitten Group. >> Thanks, Nate. Um, so as Nate said, um, I'm April Vopes. I'm the program manager for EPCC's, um, ecological restoration program and I manage our storm water
work. So, we've been working with the town since 2022, um, looking at storm water management, really focusing on improvements to water quality um, both at freshwater locations and coastal locations. Um the current funded work is largely looking at areas
um from Route Six South because that's where you have the most impaired um lakes, rivers, and waters and coastal water bodies in the town. So the goal is to address untreated storm water that's contributing to high nitrogen and phosphorus levels as well as bacterial
contamination that's leading to shellfish beds or beach closures. Um, as Nate indicated, this was one of several sites that was identified back in that early assessment phase. Um, and this is a high priority site because, um, it drains directly to Lewis Bay and Hyannis
Harbor. Um, we have opportunities here to reduce the pavement, so that impervious surface at the end of the roadway. Um, improve the public access down this way to water. Um and it's a example site that the town identified that if we develop a concept here, it's
something that could be used at other um end of roadways and ways to water and both a public education opportunity with signage and um improved resilience at this site. Next, um so again, the short-term goals were
to identify locations around the town for improvement and with the funding um take those first five through design and permitting. Um, as Nate indicated, we've also gotten funding to from the state office of coastal zone management as well as um USDA Natural Resource Conservation Service to complete
construction for the first two sites in the last year. Um, again trying to improve water quality, reduce shellfish bed closures and for an upcoming site um, one that's also by a beach, reduce any impacts to beach closures and um, cyanobacteria blooms in Long Pond.
So this is the highle summary of timeline. Um again 2023 that inventory of sites you can see in 2024 kind of the top five sites under that first list which included Grove Street. Um we were able to advance the Curve Hill and Stish
Way all the way through construction um through last year and right now we're working on obviously the permitting for Grove Street and applying right now working on application of funding to get that constructed um hopefully this fall or into early next year. And we have a
couple other sites, Wings Grove Beach, which is on Long Pond, and um along Old Main Street, where the sewing work was just completed, which is also um a priority site that we're working on design right now. So, I'll let Corley Whitten go through the details and also show you a kind of on a map where all
those sites are. >> Good evening. My name is Janelle Vary. I'm the project designer with Horesley Whitten Group. Okay. So, yeah, I'll be going through um the design of the project and my
colleague Amy Ball is our um senior ecologist who will be going through the resource area impacts. Um yeah, just a little agenda. We have our project goals, our existing conditions and resource areas, moving to proposed conditions and the resource
area impacts. Um so as Nate and um April both mentioned, our goal for this project is to improve water quality um and reduce pollutants, particularly bacteria and
nitrogen from the storm water. Um for this project specifically, we are looking at capturing and treating the water that's running down Grove Street um before it discharges out into the Hyannis Inner Harbor and Lewis Bay.
And this sort of just gives a visual of what Nate and April were both talking about. Um maybe next slide. Yeah. Okay. Um so these five sites were picked as the
priority sites moved to 25% design. Standish and Curve Hill both moved to construction and finished construction last year. Those are the two circled in green. And then our current project, Grove Street, is in blue.
And then the two that we are also working on in concept level are Old Main Street and Wings Grove Beach. So this is just an aerial of our site. Um that's Grove Street. Um the red dot is where Grove Street ends and there's
sort of a portion of Dune Beach and then the Harbor and Bay. Hi, good evening. For the record, Amy Ball with Subton Group. Um, so I'll kind of tag team with you on this one. I guess they jumped in, >> but go ahead.
>> Um, yeah, so Grove Street is a town road. It's a public way to water. Um, both sides of the road are residential properties. Um, the road is relatively steep with about a 6% slope sloping down to the beach. Um if you go out there and
sort of in this photo you can see there's some evidence of sediment and debris accumulation at the end of the road there and then some erosion just past the road. Um there are records of an existing um leeching basin just
beyond the pavement. We were not able to locate that in survey um but we have plans for that. Um, yeah. And, uh, I guess the others a few other features are the split rail fences
on both sides of the road and a timber guard rail at the end. So, the drainage area is pretty simple for this one. Um, it mostly it consists of Grove Street south of Park Avenue. um
and some of the adjacent driveways and front yards and it's about 55% impervious. And now I'll hand it over to Amy. Sorry, got cut ahead of myself. Um so there are a lot of overlapping resource areas at
the site um primarily because there's um the coastal features. So just at the bottom of the slide there, you can see with an arrow because it's a little further down the Hyannis Inner Harbor and Lewis Bay. Um it is separated there
by a a perennial stream and then a a swath of salt marsh that is then separated by an area of coastal beach and then uh landward of that we have an an area of coastal dune before you hit the end of the street. And so of course
we have a lot of overlapping resources. Um the buffer zone uh that is shown on here is the one to the most landward resource which is the coastal dune. So you've got the 35 the 50 and the 100 foot buffer zone. You have the riverfront area associated with the
coastal stream. So the blue line see that >> this does work. >> It would if I turned it on. Um so this the blue line there is the inner riverfront area. So the inner um 100 ft the 200 foot riverfront area
extends further up G Street. Um and then um we also have uh the coastal flood zone. So both a velocity zone which is in the red and then the uh the purple area here which is our AE flood zone
which is elevation 11. Next slide. Um, and I want to highlight this a little bit more. Um, when we first looked at this site, we realized we've had both a velocity zone and an AE zone. And that had some uh designed
implications for the project um specifically because of that energy from the velocity zone. I'll now go through the proposed drainage um design. So yeah, our aim of the project here was to pull back um and
remove as much pavement as we could and in that footprint add a bio retention area. Um, so we have the drainage area DA1A, which is our drainage area that's draining to our proposed bio retention area. And then we have a small portion
of the site that we could not capture with the bio. Um, but doesn't include any impervious area. Um and yeah I guess so also due to on on this slide here you can see um in the
sort of right um so how we approached this is pulling back the pavement as far as we could leaving space for um there's a proposed driveway at this property here. So we looked at just extending or not
extending but leaving the pavement of five feet or so after that and then removing the rest of the pavement and including the bio retention area. Because of this sort of space limitation we are able to treat just under the 1 in
water quality volume um storm about 93% of it. Um so yeah how this works is water would enter through the paved drainage flume
here. Um we do have some embedded stones at the bottom of this drainage flume to act as um velocity dissipation since the road is pretty steep coming down and the larger flows will also be going through
this system. Um we then have a forbay to help settle out the sediment. Um a boulder spillway and then the water will enter the bio retention area where nutrients will be uptaken through the plants and the soil
filter media. Um any larger flows over that one inch storm event will then overflow um onto the beach and continue that down the path that um they're currently continuing down. Um this is sort of just a visual graphic
to kind of visualize what this would look like. Um so we have a the bio retention areas in within the footprint of the existing pavement that is out there now. Um and we've included
maintaining access to um this beach that these are a few of the other site components um on the site. We have included proposing a bike rack at the end of the set at the end of the road, an educational sign. Um we have
demarcated a path to the beach with um reusing that existing split rail fence that is out there now. Um and some sand fence at the end of the site to act as a barrier. Um and then we do have some invasive
species removal and we'll be um planting some native coastal salt tolerant plants. >> So the site actually occurs um within many of the resource areas that are out there um including the velocity zone and
the 50 and uh 35 foot buffer zone to the coastal dune. And there's a small amount of within the coastal doom, but that is limited to removal of the invasive species. I believe we have multifllora rose and and bittersweet out there and then
replanting with beach grass and if we can get them a couple of low growing um shrubs like bearberry and and um the the beach heather um otherwise the entire limit of work is about 1,900
square feet. It looks it looks bigger than that, but this is a five scale plan, so it it covers just the very end of the road there. Um, as Janelle may have mentioned, we're removing uh about 800 square ft of pavement of existing pavement. There is an area of pavement
that will get um removed and then replaced as as part of the design just because we needed to make the grading work. We'll be pulling things in, reusing those um existing split rail fences there to try and, you know, allow for
the beach access, but also to make sure that the um that folks are are being trafficked around the the um the resource areas and away from the the bio retention area. Um and then for
buffer zone alterations we do have about 1,300 square feet within that 0 to 50 foot buffer to the coastal dune. Um and another 376 within the 35 to 50 foot buffer. Um and like I said the whole limit of work is
going to be occurring within the land subject to coastal storm flow and that inner 100 foot river front area. Um, so I discovered that. Thanks. So, one of the things we wanted to make sure was u important because of the velocity zone for this storm water practice, it
was to maintain a really low profile. Um, the the boulders stand out um on on a plan view, but if you see the profile, they're actually buried um mostly underneath and are just acting as a
spillway for the for the water as it flows through the system. Um this is a a a design change that we made recently uh from sort of granite curbing with a weir in it um to make sure that there were going to be no you
know struct potential structures that would be um acting as you know potential projectiles in a in a large storm. And then I should not mention we are putting a lot of uh native plantings in. Um this looked better on the screen than
it does now. Um but uh a couple of uh trees, the junipers and um a handful of beach plum as well as some berry and um
black cherry. And then all of the ground cover um is is a mix of herbaceous and grass species that are all you know salt tolerant and native. And you know the intent here is for this project has been to improve existing
conditions. They're um treating uh previously untreated uh runoff as it comes down Grove Street before it enters a you know a beach and and all of the resource areas including salt marsh um and is is meant to be you know restorative in nature and and provide an
overriding public benefit environmental benefit and with that we'll turn it back to the commission for questions. Thank >> you questions. Uh I think there's some climate change
positive aspects of your project. >> There are there are >> go over that a little bit. >> Well, we are removing some existing imperous surface. Um, and in doing so, by replacing that with a vegetated uh, stormwater practice, you're not only
treating the runoff, but also making the area less pvious um, and therefore more resilient to larger storms. >> What about Bay View Bog and as it gets constructed and how that going to in impact the
stream coming nearby and groundwater that might impact the area? Not too familiar with that project. Um >> probably should be. Is that one of us? >> I have two volunteers. >> We got two volunteers. >> I'll let Amanda speak to this after, but um we are looking with the town at how
the combination of this work and the other project at Bay View Bog come together and maybe looking at possibly doing a joint funding application. Um, I think one of the benefits of this project since it's downgradient of that project is it is helping capture some of the storm water in addition to the work
they're doing to restore that bog and replace some of those coverts. But I'll let Amanda speak more um specific to that project. Amanda Lima, town engineer echo all of April's comments and they they do work hand in hand and um the watershed for
this particular project was provided. um it isn't directly linked, but you got about a third of an acre of that and it's pretty much the road runoff and a few of the driveways. >> So, you're thinking that from a
groundwater viewpoint, if you had a big storm on Bay View, but it didn't reach down to your project, is there going to be interactions that should at least be sort of thought about? So our bio retention area we do have the
twoft of separation between the surface of the bio retention area and the estimated seasonal high groundwater. Um so we do have sort of that buffer there. Um if the groundwater does rise um these plants are also planted to you know be
wet from time to time. So um we don't see any large issues there. Yeah. Um, thank you for all this. It sounds like a great project. Um, the thing that I'm at I'm struggling with is a little bit is is is this right down at
the end of Grove Street like in the present kind of middle of the road. Is that where this thing or is it off to one side or >> It's in the middle. Yes. So it' be pulling the pavement back about 800 square feet and putting a bio retention where the pavement was.
>> Okay. And also it's a town way to water. So but there'll still be an opportunity for people to walk down there or whatever. There'll be a pathway or something like that. >> Yes, we have sort of just a sand pathway going down and that's why we have the fence on either side to kind of
demarcate where the path is and keep a barrier to the plants. >> All right. Thank you very much. Yes. Um the barrier along the path that was split rail fence you said or was that going to >> Yes. Um Yes. So it'll be this split rail
fence in that photo has recently been installed out there. So we'd be looking at reusing that same fence. >> Okay. So then what is the purpose of the sand fence? You said it was to act as a barrier, but I'm not understanding to what >> dune. >> It's it's meant to sort of act as a sand
fence for the dune. to protect the dune um which will be replanted after we take out some invasive species um and help help the dune you know stay established while it while the beach grass grows in
also to keep people off the dune >> so the this dark brown will be the split rail and these ones are the proposed sand fence that will run along the dune to people from cutting straight through the dune. So
they go kind of does that make sense? >> Particularly >> they don't want to create a channel for the water to go. >> Yeah, I understand that. >> Yeah. And since they're putting vegetation, they also want to keep all
the people away from all the vegetation. So they're trying to guide pedestrian traffic as much as possible. All the sand fence can also help the sediment accumulation on the dune over time. You have a problem with the sand fence? >> I
don't quite see the purpose of the sand fence. I I understand the the physical barrier to the um to the dune and the plantings, but um you said uh for storm velocity it was to
keep a low profile and this is the highest profile of the project. So just thinking storm purposes of the intent to slow the velocity of the water before it gets to
water retention basin. >> No, you you can take most of this, but um sand fences sand fences are proven to help sediment accumulation in the summer months of dunes. So, they definitely, you know, we're trying to with our
velocity um regul velocity zone regulations. We're trying to eliminate structures, but sand fences do have an intended purpose to improve the dune over time. So, I don't think I would look at it at with the same level of scrutiny as, you
know, a wall or a fence. Does have openings in the slats and it shouldn't be an impediment to coastal storm flowage. Um, it's meant to help the dune. >> As as Britney pointed out, it is to keep people out of the dune. So channelize
the foot traffic to stay off the grasses um but still allow for the beach access which currently is is more on the sort of page there. So this will redirect the traffic around that
one more question. So you're talking about the sand fences. I was like I don't I don't see the problem with it. But anyway, um so this is a very narrow town way to water people. Do you have any idea how many people utilize it? Because I don't think there's anything
there in terms of a beach that you can use. You can probably, you know, it's private property on either side. Um so you have any idea how heavily trafficked it is? Where do people go if they walk? If I went there, where would I go? Besides down below it,
>> if you show that last picture, the one that's that's looks toward the water. >> I think if you look um and I'm not a Yarmouth resident, so I don't know the the answer to how much of the traffic is there, but you can see there's an
existing And it appears that it also probably accesses that um title creek. >> I'm sorry, public >> the title there's a tidal creek there that's um that created for us the riverfront area. Um and in one of the pictures is a kayak or a canoe or
something. So it's possible that folks are using it for that purpose. >> That's fine. I just you know these kinds of projects you know one of the concerns of course I'm sure that you deal with is how you kind of keep them safe from any kind of damage or anything like that. And you know I just don't know
if um anybody ever did any collection of information regarding how much it's used and that would would that be a factor in terms of how you build? There is currently a town way to water study going on with group
>> but I'm not involved >> of course and it's under natural resources so I also don't know a lot about it um but they're in the final stages I think of compiling that information they did a couple of public meetings and surveys and all that um so they are compiling action items to
improve certain waste to water might be >> yeah okay I mean I just how much it's that area Yeah, just to add that Dave from DNR did review the plan as well. Um I did have an intern a couple summers ago do counts
but uh I don't have that information really accessessible because we were um interested on that but given the fact that it's within that existing you know pavement footprint you know we're maintaining the pass um the change of use would would be the same.
>> Believe me I I totally support this project. So, just I just kind of interested in Okay, thank you. >> I have a couple of questions. Uh, leave that picture up if you would. Obviously, people must park there. Now, you're taking away that parking, correct?
>> Where that picture is. >> I said obviously today people will park their car. >> Oh, right at the end there. Yeah, >> that won't exist. >> It will. It'll just be further >> further out. Okay. And but have the pvious
uh material that they'll be parking on. >> I would say there they won't be able to park there um because of that proposed driveway potentially proposed driveway. You wouldn't be there's not enough pavement after that driveway for the two
cars. Um yeah, that's something we have discussed. Um but I I don't believe many people down there as like
currently. Um so didn't see that sort of as a main factor to maintain those that parking area. >> And you also mentioned that um I don't think you have any control over this, but I assume some of the driveways
that uh water runs off is impervious. And I know you probably can't go to people and say to them, would you, you know, we order you to change this, but have you put in some time to talk to the neighbors to say, you know, this is what we're doing to improve your quality of
water going in. Could you consider putting in pvious driveways? I think that would be uh helpful. I hate to see all this work to not because it's >> they need to come in front of us. Wouldn't they need to come in front of
our commission >> and change it >> to change their driveway and then we would be able to advocate that? >> Would they have to come to us to change from an impervious to a pvious? >> I do know that the parcel at the end on
the west um had a proposed building permit. Um, so when that popped up, you know, it sparked interest because we were, you know, planning the storm water. So, we actually did revise it to make sure that their driveway would be included if they were to request a curb cut and in conversations with them, they
did say that it would be a pvious um service. So, so we when we have the opportunity um and that's just through building permit review, if we can give that feedback, we will. >> Yeah, I think this house on the end um that the proposed driveway they currently an open order of conditions
with us. Um and so whatever they have proposed is what they have to put in. >> So our other the other issue has to do with not you but with us or somebody with the fact that people leave their kayaks on the beach
think they have need permit to >> they're not supposed to >> they're not supposed there are some there are some ways to water when they have permission to leave the kayaks. That's one of them. >> You're not providing any sort of pet
storage. >> So people just leave it there and put it on the doom. And I talk about this all the time when I go walk. So they've
got well having rented homes on that street in 10 20 years ago. I think that uh it's mostly small families that walk their kids down there and uh there was once in a while cars, but it wasn't uh
there are other beaches nearby that have more car availability. So it is and it's a little tough to turn around. So I I think that uh safe w safety wise and so
forth I think you know it's within it's a reasonable kind of construction that you're talking about that will be able to handle the flow. >> I was talking about cars I was talking about kayaks on the beach. >> Well kayaks on the beach were not as popular.
And it is a constant problem that we have whether people did leave it on >> what they call their private beach and they threw it on the sandune or or whatever. I know that's not just me venting, but it's it is a problem.
Isn't this something that maybe in the in the study that's being done, it's been it's been a couple of years now that that thing has been in the offing, but um maybe natural resources has to address how that uh town weight of water
is used because if you got this great system down at the bottom of Grove Street and is doing such important work, um you wouldn't want it jeopardized by people, you know, putting kayaks in different places and so on. I don't know
any place where you can just put a kayak on town property and leave it there. Maybe there are >> well there are places you can get a permit to do that has permit you know. >> Yeah. Like over a bass hole they have that and all >> but um there are a lot of places I walk
in my neighborhood. People just don't >> on on public property. >> Uh public and private >> private is a different story. >> Well not if it's on the doom. No, I know. But I mean is there are regulations having to do with the
storage of kayaks on dunes that would be sometimes addressed by this committee, >> right? But I'm just saying if if I have a kayak and I walk down Grocery and I just leave it at walk by this place and I leave it on the beach, >> I wouldn't expect my kayak to be there the next day to tell you the truth, you
know. So, um, again, I think it's something natural resources the enforcement branch of this type of thing. So maybe they can address these issues out there to do this um this assessment. And um and also, you know, I think it would be really wise for people
along the way if they can do it to transform their driveways from um impervious to per but you know that would take a a matter of time as an expense. Um but it shouldn't impede the um uh forward movement of this particular
project for sure. >> I did find my from to impervious and it wasn't even that expensive. >> Yeah. Not that I have a big driveway, but >> I found the site plan for the proposed driveway next door and it is proposed
permits. They won't be adding a ton to the system and they're not proposing to change that existing imperous area on the north side. That will stay. >> You have anything else to add, Britney? >> No. I appreciate the opportunity to review the plans earlier in the process.
Thank you for all your hard work, >> great plans and looks like a great and it still looks like it'll be a great place to be. So I congratulate you. Anybody in the audience questions, concerns? Anybody online?
See raised. So can I hear a uh motion to accept the plan >> to issue an order of conditions with special conditions? >> That's what I was going to say. That's where you are. So move whatever your >> Okay. >> Second, Jack. Okay. All in favor?
>> Oppos? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. April know that um Jude and Marty Martin stay with us. They come visit you. Um,
okay. We're at SE8320-2511, Capeen Islands Engineering for Richard and Carol Dove, 22 Driftwood Lane reconstruction of retaining wall and fill in Coastal Bank, Riverfront area, and the buffer zones to a Salt Marsh and
Coastal Bank. you'd introduce yourself. Chuck Roland, Capen Islands Engineering. Uh, I'm a professional civil engineer representing the Dove family for 22 Driftwood Lane.
Just going to run over the project real quick. Um, so we're proposing to reconstruct um a deteriorated existing wall about 66 feet long. Uh
the site's developed with a residential structure with frontage along Muddy Creek to the north. site uh is little little less than 28,000 square foot lot
and it has single family dwelling, several decks, a shed, a brick walk, paved walkway, existing timber wall, stockade fence, elevated boardwalk and all associated.
Resources identified on or within 100 ft of the property include postal bank salt marsh land sub coastal storm flowage uh as well as the riverfront associated with Money Creek. Uh the current wall is deteriorated and
shows signs of failure. Uh the timber tie wall is rotted out and needs to be replaced to prevent collapse and for safety reasons the fence is proposed at the top of the wall to prevent people from falling off. Um to access the work area uh will be
from Driftwood Lane. Uh equip equipment will be stored away from the resource areas to the greatest extent possible and all materials will be stockpiled within the existing disturbed areas of lawn and paved driveway. Effort efforts will be coordinated to minimize
disturbance resources. Um we proposed a silk fence with straw waddles um to uh reduce the amount of construction disturbance. Um we've proposed to or we will be
putting up the D sign once um hopefully once the project is approved and essentially we'll be working in about 20 foot sections uh remove 20 foot section replace about about 20 foot section and then uh move on so that way there's not a large area that's uh destabilized and
exposed. So with that we really feel that it is a fairly straightforward project. Uh you've been to site. I don't know if you saw photos which obviously you can see there. Um it's probably barely covered over with snow right now, but uh the
wall in the backyard and I have a blow up of it right here. Uh so we'll be replacing the wall. There's a small portion of it underneath the existing landing which will have to get disassembled uh to take out the old wall. Uh and we'll be proposing a wall
right up to that landing. We've showed the proposed fence in the backyard with a gate uh as well as the work limit that goes all the way around to reduce uh construction temporary construction impacts. Um I've proposed I've shown a
um typical section up here. So we've gone with um 8 by6 inch timber ties with the top elevation of 22 and a half. I think about the highest point of the wall is about three and a half ft high. And we've shown a gravel bedding with
some filter fabric around it uh just to provide a little drainage behind the wall so to kind of slow the rot of the wall to keep it a little bit drier during storm events. And we've also shown um some dead men to uh beef up the
strength and rigidity of the wall. Um so Britney sent me some comments that I can go over real quick. Um so she's looking for some you're looking details on the trees which we'd be happy to provide uh just a BDH.
Um sounds like you're looking to have um a ground cover provided to the planting notes. Um so I think that we'll I haven't talked to my client yet, but if you guys have a preference, we can either go with a creeping juniper or natural grass seed mix. Um and you had a
question about the plan. um tightening up the work limit on the uh northeast side. Um I don't see why we can't do that. So we can pull that in kind of run it along obviously um if I tighten up that work limit the
fence which the fence really doesn't create too much disturbance in my opinion but uh we can bring it up to the lawn area. Um so this project will relocate the coastal bank uh just in that really
small area where it appears that um the existing wall was probably um I call it kind of Yankee construction except from here uh we believe that this wall was a bit of an afterthought after
construction of the house um and I'd be willing to bet that was designed. I think it was just kind of put in there as an afterthought to level out the backyard, stabilize the backyard a bit. So, I highly doubt some for any forethought was put into where that wall
was placed. That's why those jogs are there. Um, so it will be relocated um ever so slightly in that area. about two and a half feet um just on one portion of it. And then the wall will
actually be on the landward side to the north of that a little bit. And then um as part of that work, we think it's going to be about 12 cubic yards of fill that we're going to have to put in behind that wall. Um you had asked about
the uh uh history of the wall. So we we don't really have any information uh that I could find. The house was built in 1975 and we do believe that it was built uh in that time frame. There have been several filings since that
they were included in certificates compliance for not only the pier but also we had a a recent certificate compliance for deck that we recently had approved through you guys.
Um you had asked about rebuilding it in the same location. Um it's kind of difficult to build a an engineered wall uh with those curves and jogs in it. Um so we proposed it to go straight across. Uh we
really don't think that it's um causing any environmental detriment and um you had asked about planting in that area that we are kind of shifting it out. Um so I did a quick area calc so it's about
78 square feet. Um, and so there's an area um just to the north that's about 24 ft long just to the north of the
um so this area right here uh if we planted that uh it would get about 3 and a/4 inch foot strip of vegetation. Um it would uh be roughly the same area as this right here, which we'd be happy to
entertain if that's what you're um looking for. Um so with that, I've kind of gone through your initial comments, but it to commission if you guys have any other further comments or questions
to I'm happy to see that you guys straighten the wall out. >> Yeah, it was not in the original proposed house plan. Um, but obviously a wall is needed. So, you know, back in
the 70s or, you know, at that point, um, I find it a lot of like topography and walls and grading were really not always thought about and it's something that you really need to be considering now with any sort of house design or wall
design or anything like that. >> Any questions? No, more just a comment. Um, for the the mix of ground cover, I feel like I'm channeling Ed Creeping Juniper. >> It's
>> Yeah, the Barnable Conservation Hates. I've worked with Ed for years. Do you have a preference? >> I left us with that message when you left us. He said, "No, >> I know not to bring it in front of So I
will make a mental note to bring it. >> He left his mark. >> I have that. >> That was my only comment. >> So it sounds like we need to continue. >> We have a couple more comments. That's
okay. >> So after we finish, we're not going to be able to vote today, but we sounds like we need to Go ahead. >> Um just a minor plan note if you're doing plan revisions if you could reabel this is the riverfront area. It's not
technically buffer zone um to have the 100 and 200 riverfront area. >> Sure. Um and just in for projects in the past when we're considering fill in the riverfront area um any work does have to show an improvement to the resource area
as it functions under the wetland protection act to the interests of those wetland values not just to the interests of the goals of the project. Um so if we are entertaining 12 cubic yards of fill on the coastal bank we do have to see how it's an improvement to the
riverfront area. Um, and I think since there is no storm water management and no buffer, um, perhaps a very small buffer on the top of the wall in addition to the fence, um, could provide some sort of improvement. Um, but that's up to the commission just a suggestion.
Maybe a benefit to the resource area. >> Did you say you eliminating coastal bank? >> So, if you can see right there, the wall being straightened. So, um, if you notice, so it's going this. So, in this
area, it's getting shifted this way, and in this area, it's getting shifted closer to the water. Um, so if uh if you want, I can play with shifting this either probably inches one way or the other because the wall does
go right in here like this. So, this area is taken out and then obviously it's being filled there. So if you would like uh we could probably do a volume balance and I could probably ship this wall in about six inches and we could
probably end up having a net zero if that's something commission would want. And then if um we wanted I could we could probably incorporate a dry well into the corner of the house that was benefit to the environment.
Are there any gutters and downspouts and drywalls existing or does all the roof run off go directly into the ground? >> So if you want we can >> we can put a small drywall right there that um let me look at my design
probably end up having to put it >> which is corner is your rainarrel >> on this corner there's a rain barrel they have in here but And that's the major side, but it's not. >> I like the idea of a zero net fill. If
we could >> I'm happy to >> scoot the wall to make that happen just so that the the coastal bank isn't impacted as much. But it is not up to me. >> I agree. Definitely.
>> That's awesome, too. Sorry. Yeah, I lied. Um, so you said these trees are made. You're trying to protect them. The goal is to protect them. >> Yeah, the goal is to protect the trees. Um, so I have the note on there if they're to be >> to be removed.
>> If during construction, if for some reason the roots got way underneath that wall, but I know on our side of the work limit um just because they are relatively close. Um but the goal is to
they're not very big trees about existing to the wall and all this work is having a small machine. feel the trees, but we put a note on there replaced with
a 3 foot which is from the extension. >> Thank you. >> I'll ask again. Anybody in the audience? Anybody online? Okay. So, we want to continue this to
uh March 5th. I'm available on the 5th. The following I am I have a conflict with another >> so then revised plans would be due next Thursday. >> What's that? a motion to continue to the fifth.
>> All in favor? >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Okay, give me a second toize myself. Next one is certificate of compliance. Sorry for great island road.
Um, where am I? SC83-97 Amy Lick Lick 355 Island Great Island Road and my notes say that it's okay.
There's no they didn't do any work. >> Yeah, this is um a paperwork only COC request. had subsequent work with subsequent COC's to receive this accepted move.
>> Favor something for that one. >> Yes. >> Is it attached to the back of the previous Next order of business is Continued storm water management permit application SW2025-002
Tiger Bond for Boston Gas Company DBA National Grid 127 Whites Path proposed tree removal regrading and paving for construction of a new liqufied natural gas tank and associated infrastructure.
Um, >> so this project has gone through the complete peer review process that we do for our stormwater management permit applications. Um, and they've reached compliance with our storm water management bylaw with the only special condition added that um, the storm water
pollution prevention plan be submitted prior to should start work. So this one is also to issue. >> So it's just we're just issuing the >> Yeah, the storm water management permit. Can I hear a motion to >> I have a question?
>> We're still talking about the pre removal for the natural gas tank and so on. >> You have a picture of where this is going to go >> at the existing facility if you're familiar with that where that is.
>> Yeah, these are very large files. Um let me just So, it's right um north of the rail trail. The existing facility is there and it's just expanding slightly to the north and the east of the existing facility.
>> Where's Whit's path in >> Whites? Okay, I'll bring it up on your map. It's >> a super It's right beneath Route six station. >> And where are they going to clear?
>> So, they're clearing a bit north and east kind of like they're expanding like this. declaring all of that. >> Yes. >> So, you know, is there any
responsibility they might have or even have to if they clear all those trees, it's going to be just clearcut, right? They're going to put a natural gas tank there. Could go plant some trees someplace else to account for some of those trees that they're taking down.
They're turning it into the surface of the moon over there. Yeah, they they do are proposing um since it's not within our wetlands jurisdiction. Yeah, we cannot ask that of them.
>> How would we ask them if they do us a favor? >> Ridiculous. That's a big area. I mean, maybe there's nothing to do, but it just, you know, >> it is a big area and that is why the storm water management bylaw was triggered. So any area of disturbance, even if it's just tree clearing that's
over an acre, has to make sure the storm water is managed and they have met everything in our requirements. >> What's the surface of that? So they clear the whole area, then what's that surface going to be? The tank is going to take up every bit of it. >> No, it's the mostly um it's new
infrastructure and uh a roadway that's taking up the new area that's cleared. The natural gas tank's not taking up a huge area. Are you here for this? >> I'm the applicant. >> Oh, perfect. Come up to the >> Can you just sit down and talk to the
mic and introduce yourself? >> Hi, good afternoon, evening. My name is Matt Wnjak. I'm an environmental engineer. I cover the LG facilities and National Grid and I'm the applicant for this project. And uh we do have kind of
a flyer. We have an outage group that's gone to some of our letters and given them a heads up about this project. And I have a copy of that flyer that shows kind of the description and you know the new tank location. The reason we have to
clear for the new tank is because there's a period of time when the existing tank is going to be in service and then we're going to need to build a new tank and then once the new tank is is functioning and operational then we can demolish the old tank. There's a period of time where we need both tanks
and so that's why there's some clearing. >> So when you demolish your old tank, can you play the retreat? >> I mean, we can we can look at the area. We do have requirements for security and and fencing and things like that. So we'll weigh that, but we'll we'll
consider what's required. >> Okay. Well, I just thought I coming down. necessary. >> Are there proposed plantings included right now in the project at all? >> There's a there's a for bay there's a
storm water management treatment area >> which is a grass basin or with native vegetation. Yeah, I didn't look closely. >> It meets the storm water requirements. That's what I was focused on. >> Thank you.
>> Anything else? >> Just as an aside, how what's the biggest trees that are diameter? Do you have any idea? Um I mean it's a there's there's solid very tall trees probably diameter and
you know DBH. Yeah, probably 12 inches maybe. There's nothing massive. >> I mean, I I've walked through it. They're all kind of like a forest. Are they pine or it's mostly pine?
I think we ought to get a a town wall. I've lived places where they do, you know, you take something out bigger than 20 inches and you got to plant five trees. There's no reason for us not to to town.
But an aside, >> well, you know, the thing that I'm sorry, Jack, okay, it's um there's probably nothing to be done only if the gas company said, "Gee, wouldn't it be nice for the county government to plant some trees someplace?" because in that
area, I mean, that's been heavily um there's been some amazing construction over there over the years. And the latest thing is the school that went in and that used to be a forest and they just went in there and I guess they had
to cut all this stuff down. And I just wonder when these kinds of projects are being considered if the folks who, you know, kind of um oversee this stuff say, you know what, this town has is losing a lot of trees due to due to the fact that
it's a there's a lot more need for the gas and everything else and and um so there's nothing to do about that. But is there anything we can do to mitigate the um problem of removing so much of this uh of this kind of um
forest or whatever, you know? I don't know. I don't know if gas companies do that kind of thing. I'm not sure. >> You also have the electric company so >> and electric companies and everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. >> Certainly would be good public relations if you did something and built it up
here. We had to build this new tank and compensate the town for loss of trees. We did this, you know, trees. Not you, but the companies always brag about how much how much they're interested in helping the environment
and then cut the trees and no compensation, mitigation, I should say. Well, >> I can tell you that this project does have to go for a special permit with the ZBA. And that's the next step in each process.
>> So our vote is to accept the storm water management permit. Correct. >> Yeah. If you could just go to Zoom. >> Understood that. Is anybody on Zoom? Raise your hand. Those are people.
>> Okay. So, do I hear a motion to um Storm water management special. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Pass. Thank you. >> Anybody want this?
>> Thank you so much. Thanks for coming. >> Thank you. Okay. All right. Next is an enforcement for Angwood Beach condo association onehore road unpermitted regrading and vegetation disturbance with land excuse
me land subject to coastal flooding and coastal beach. This is uh people are online. >> We normally require people to be present in person. This is a condo association that nobody is there and it's enforcement.
>> Can you hear me? >> Yeah. Give us one second. Um, we thought that >> it seems surprising that not a single person from an association can be present at this meeting. You want to say anything?
>> Didn't we? Everybody okay with moving on? >> Well, didn't we have some sort of, you know, the regulation request, whatever it was that people have to come to make the presation. That's what I'm referring to. >> This isn't an application. This is an enforcement and they weren't able to
come. So, Joe and I made an executive decision to allow them to attend on Zoom to speed this process up. If you'd rather, I pull the board every time there's a Zoom request, I can do that. No problem. >> But I just think it would be
would be a good idea for somebody to show up and talk to us instead of talking, but maybe they're off cap. >> Okay. >> When you see the presentation that Britain's going to give, bring pictures. >> Yeah. So, I'll just start with the
>> summary of this enforcement activity. On January 18th, um David noticed this on his walking. The association beach had a chain link fence around it for a long time and there was significant beach
sand disturbance and vegetation disturbance. It appeared in an effort to remove that fence and pile it up on the beach. Um we went out there a couple of days later which is unfortunately after a bunch of snow. Um so but you can see
here that there are areas of the beach sand and vegetation that have been significantly disturbed. We had a hard time reaching out to the association since they're not homeowner. They don't have an address on file. Um, we had previous correspondence with them
from an earlier violation in 2019 which they had just removed some of the beach grass and they had plant re replanted most of it back through enforcement. And so for this, I drafted an enforcement order. Um, and I would
recommend that the commission issue the enforcement order to include hand raing only to restore the original grade of the beach, get rid of all those ruts and vegetation restoration as needed by beach grass planting or seaside golden
rod or similar. I think it was all ground cover and no shrubs were disturbed on the beach. I think the association's intention is to replace this fence with a split rail fence, which would be additional disturbance on the beach. And I would recommend that
work be permanent under an RDA. >> And the fence that's on the side up there that separates the water to their brick beach, is that going >> I think their intention is to they can answer these questions um to replace the entire fence. Obviously, they got only
partway through before we asked them to stop working. Um, but it would still be additional disturbance to put in a new fence. So, I think it should require an RDA. >> They should come back with an >> questions. >> Am I allowed to introduce myself at this
point or can you see me visually at all? >> We don't do video, but we we can hear you. >> We can hear you. >> Okay. All right. I appreciate it. Yes. So, I am Jessica Demar. I am um president of the board at the Anglewood Association. There are five of us, none of which live on Cape. So, yes, to address that, we actually the board
members do not live there. We do have unit owners that live there, but however, they would not be representing us here today. Um we are a new board um and so a lot of this is new to us, so I'm happy to follow the rules and and happy to address and plant the vegetation and so on and so forth. We
had a challenge with this fence on several several reasons. Um the way it's located One, it's rusty. It's been very rusty. We've had several cars plow into it recently. As of late, the snow plow had actually bumped into it and caused the
fence to come off. And the neighbors across the street sent us who are both lawyers sent us this big letter that we need to remove it ASAP and all this stuff. So, so we did just that because we didn't want any issues with anybody getting hurt. And so, um, unfortunately
there was some disturbance, but not by vehicles and things of that nature. I think it's just to pull those poles out that have been in there for so long naturally cause some some challenges there. We are in the process and will be when we have the permit to do so, remove the rest of the fence and we are going
to and I I don't know the the young lady who's speaking, but we will be replacing it with the split rail, we will get the permit. Um I did talk to Joe about all of this because again we will follow the directions and the regulations provided by the town. Um we just had to get this fence out of the way, especially that
one side that could have caused additional danger. So, that's kind of where we're at. The reason you don't have, we do need to update the address and I could be your key contact going forward. Um, I apologize that you don't have their contact information. Um, so we'll have to get that addressed as
well, but I can certainly be your point person going forward. >> Hopefully that helps and brings some clarity, but we're all learning because all five of us are brand new. I don't know if you know Englewood. Um, it used to be time shares and it recently changed to all owners and a lot of renters now and it's just really changed
a lot. So, as a new board, we're trying to put some enforcement around some of these things. >> I will take exception to you saying there wasn't any machinery because I saw it there and you can see the tractor tire marks. If you go back to the
previous picture, I think it's that one. You can see it right up there towards the middle of the picture. And uh, And then I saw the guy working uh actually was at at the condo and I asked if he was doing the work because what was left is what's there and he
said he went he had to get on there in order to >> easier to remove the fence as opposed to by hand. And I told him the rest needed to be done by hand but >> understood. >> Yeah. I was the contractors I had spoken to
>> alluded that it was all done by hand. So we appreciate that. I guess if you drive something by hand that's about it. It was quite a big tractor. Um so and I was involved in the what did you say it was 2019?
>> Yes. >> Issue. >> Yeah. So I had just bought there in 2016. So 2019 was a different board then as well. >> And the problem was we see where the grassy area is in the picture. um they were disturbing that and uh which is a
doom and they weren't allowed to do that. So, >> okay, >> that's going to have to be replanted. >> Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I mean that's fine. We again we are learning as we're going here and certainly um we'll ensure that we follow um you know the town of
Yarma regulations as it comes across the beach. >> What I would recommend you do is get in touch with Joe or Britney and uh They'll they'll tell you what you need to do. >> Well, I would recommend you issue an
enforcement order. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> To do an RDA. >> And what is an RDA? I'm sorry. This is my first time doing this. >> It's a request for determination of applicability. It's an application under the Wetlands Protection Act.
>> Okay. All right. I'll talk to Joe if I don't know. >> Okay. I appreciate it. We need to vote have an enforcement order with the people of enforcement. They would apply using
the IDA for new and other >> restore farmer grade with hand raing no machinery and additional replanting with beach crest if needed. Um I imagine it'll be pretty hard to tell
right now. So maybe later site visit in the spring to assess the beach grass planting >> once the uh snow is gone >> at least. >> Can we um and again I'll talk to Joe maybe because we do need to put the new fence up and you know put the permit in
for that have the contractor put the new fence in um and then plan. So I would probably think spring, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the enforcement order will outline um all your next steps, which would include the application for the fence and the replenishing of the
beach grass and raking. >> Okay, perfect. >> You can't do anything until we go through the RDA and come back to us again. >> Okay. No new fence yet, but I know the neighbors will appreciate
a split rail. We have anybody motion motion second. Anybody calling? Thank you. Do we have your contact information, >> Jessica? Okay. >> Um Joe has it in an email.
>> Yeah. >> U but I can I can ensure that he has all of it. >> I'm sure he does. Thank you. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you everyone. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Have a good evening. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Um, approval of minutes from 25206.
Anybody have any comments on that? >> Motion to accept the minutes. two extensions. All right. Next is the review of draft regulation updates which you sent to us. >> Did everyone a chance to review these?
>> I can say I did. >> I'm asking everyone. review it. >> I did not. >> Okay. I think they're pretty minor, but I would also be in favor of waiting until we have our full board sitting
here to vote on them. Um, you have any comments we can discuss now? >> I looked it over. I thought you and I talked about too, but I thought all the changes were made sense. >> I just had one minor
comment. I that we reference the website. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to reference the website within the regulations or if it >> we confirmed with council we do reference the website in other locations as well. >> Okay.
>> So I confirmed that it was okay. >> Okay. >> I don't I don't think I have to do a URL but I can triple check make sure I can easily include the URL if he'd be more comfortable with that. >> No, it was more just wording and overthinking. No, it's not.
>> If town council was fine with it, then that's fine. >> Anybody else? >> Any other business? Not normally. >> Are we? >> Yeah, let's just vote to continue. >> I'm sorry. Yeah, vote to continue the draft. Motion
>> to >> what date? >> The 5th or the 19th. I will say both agendas already look quite long. We can try the fifth because I cannot
>> Okay. Were you gonna say >> we'll try the fifth? >> Um, can I hear a motion? >> Second. Anybody? >> Okay. All in favor? >> Okay. No one's opposed.
>> All right. Just bring food on the But I changed my >> same if you saw on the draft agenda that we were gonna I included vice chair vote but I moved it because I also prefer full board to vote on it.
>> Okay. So we'll do that in April then do you think we do it on the 5th? Maybe on the maybe. >> Okay. Anything else? Yeah, I have one thing if it's okay. Um, next next um Wednesday the 25th is the
um CPC public um hearing, okay? Or presentation or whatever you want to call it. And right after that is the utilization committee. So, two very exciting meetings, so you won't want to miss them. The um
CPC meeting is at three and I think the other one is right after four. >> It's at six. The muck. >> Yeah. And there are some conservation elements to the mats. I don't want to say muk the m the madak
>> proposal, right? >> That's correct. Yeah, >> that's important. That's the 25th at 6. is at 6. >> Yeah, CPC at >> six or is it at 6? >> I saw earlier today to make sure >> the other meeting is at three.
>> You might want to go for cocktails between the meetings or something. >> Are they both here? >> Yeah, >> I'm here. If anybody is interested in being a part of a promotional video about our conservation trails, the Cape Media
Center contacted me this week interested in doing a piece on a short trail for lunch break. So, let me know. >> What does that mean? >> I don't know. I think he's just going to interview me at a location and talk about of conservation trails to highlight it. So if anyone else wants to
do that with me >> where I'm sorry, where is this? >> We can decide which of our trails to >> do it at Sir Hill. I'll join you. >> Okay, great. >> That was the one I was thinking about.
>> That's the bog on Windso Gray. >> Yeah. And I just have another question about isn't there a meeting coming up with about somebody's going to make a presentation about conflict of interest and all that for all of those who are behind in >> Can you tell me when that is? >> I got that today just when I was next
today or yesterday >> it was >> I got the message today. >> Yeah, next week I think. Is it >> I have to check my email. I don't know the date. But yeah, there's a 3 PM and a 7 7 PM session. >> It's at night.
>> There's one in at 3 PM as well. So it's >> I should have an email about it, right? >> You don't need to do multiple. >> I did I did mine online, too. >> They're just offering an inerson one
February 23rd um at 3 p.m. and at 6 pm if you're interested in doing an open meeting. uh and conflict of interest training in the hearing room in person, but I think most of you are up to date. I
think you might be the only one who is not. >> And I object to that because I went to the library and I went on that thing, but it must have been for the CPC committee or something. I don't know. >> It might have just been too many years ago. >> I agree. I agree.
>> You should have to do twice. >> This will be like the third time. You do have to do it every year. Clarify for the record. >> You have to do it every two years. But if you're on two committees, you shouldn't have to do it twice. >> You shouldn't have to do it twice. >> He's a representative on the CPC from the Conservation Commission. So, he has
to do it for this, >> right? But he shouldn't have to do it for the CPC. Both. I'll do it. >> All I'm saying is you haven't done it in two years. >> Time flies. That's all I have to say. Time flies when you haven't. All right. I'll see if I can get over here.
Okay. >> Um, anything else? Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Bigger. All in favor? >> I