When you do the intro, make sure you say we're remote. >> Recording in progress >> person and on Zoom. >> Okay. >> Good evening. We're here for the Conservation Commission meeting on Thursday, October 2nd, two, 2025.
We are both in person and on Zoom. Um, and we will start the meeting right away. We're going to begin with the request for certificate of compliance SE83 2191. Lisa Warren, 18 Crab Creek.
Introduce yourselves and let us know what's going on. >> I'm Lisa Warren. I'm the current owner of the property at 18 Crab Creek Lane. >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman. For the record, my name is Kieran Healey. I'm a land surveyor with the BC group
representing Miss Swan. >> So I think we start with you, don't we? >> Sure. Yeah. Um so this project was issued an order of conditions um in 2019 I believe um for mowing of an
established lawn area within the resource area and in its buffer zone. They in the permit they did allow for mowing of the BBW and isolated vegetated wetland up to twice a year except and
that applied to all the resource areas on the property except for the salt marsh. So wherever Spartina was present, they were asked not to mow and so they they're also supposed to submit annual monitoring reports and there are some areas of mitigation shown on the
approved plan. So, here's the approved plan for this site. And so, for the most part, from the the certificate of compliance inspection visit, um the area has been mowed, and it looks like it's been mowed frequently. Um and the area is just a
little bit wider than the measured 84 and 66. Um, all in all, since it's mowing is ongoing, um, I don't really have an issue issuing a certificate of compliance, but I would recommend to the board that the mowing in the future be
limited to the dark green approved area of existing lawn and that some sort of marker, whether it be native shrubs, stones, ballards, or some kind, be put at the approved boundary of the dark green area on the eastern and western
sides so it's clear where the mowing can continue in the future and also the path would be allowed to maintain access to the water and since it was for fragmitees management um the board would may consider allowing a a
strip of mowing against the fragmitees for the width of the mower which I think is six feet as they've specified for the other path. You want me to start? >> Sure. I'm kind of confused on the mowing
because when this was approved um in reading the notes from 20 19 >> 19 >> there was concern about the mowing and the scope of the mowing and the method of the mowing. Um, so I' I'd like a
little bit of a summary of what's transpired um with the mowing and if it's had any impact um negative impact. I'm not sure who can answer that question. >> Well, I I can speak to the frequency of
mowing that we followed the letter of this commission and it was only moon twice a year. So I can attest to that. In terms of what's happened and what's developed with the land itself, I would defer to my agent.
>> From our observations, we have not seen a negative effect. The ground is stable. Um there's no erosion other than right at the very edge. Um the fragmitees have not come into the area which was the reason for the mowing. So we find that it's stable and that we I don't see an
adverse effect. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Go ahead, Paul. >> Yeah, I I guess the issue has has to do with mowing and evidently
um there was some uh um conclusion reached by Britney that it had been mowed more frequently. Maybe you can speak to that a little bit, Britney. >> Um, the only reason I say that is because there are areas um on this
approved plan that say mitigation areas that were intended to not be mowed frequently. Um, and so the the time frame of the mowing, it was supposed to be twice annually, but in the summer and late summer. So they specified July and
late August. And when we were there last week, it looked like it had been mowed more recently than over a month ago. Um, and that being said, I I >> it just is extremely wet and I
acknowledge that the board approved mowing of the resource area twice annually when the permit was issued, but the permit is now expired and they're asking for a certificate of compliance. I don't see the need to continue the mowing in the resource area itself. Um, so allowing them to continue continue to
manage their established lawn, their historic lawn location, have an access to the water and an edge on the fragmitees. One row of mowing, I think, should be sufficient to keep the fragmitees at bay. >> Okay. When you say one row, how wide would
>> a six foot wide? Yeah. The same as their pathway that they have. >> My mower is only this big. >> Yeah, it seems like theirs is bigger. >> Okay. Okay. So, we're talking about keeping it to a six foot path. >> Yeah. So, the one right now is it's just much much wider.
>> Yeah. >> So, the path is not there. So, the I I don't understand what that pink >> So, yeah, this is just me trying to get an idea of the um So, the path was supposed to be six feet on this side and this is what I'm proposing to allow you
continue mowing your your pathway on this side to keep the fragmitees. >> But why would we? So we'd be allowed to mow there in addition to the path to the water on the other side. >> Yeah. And then just not this area from the salt marsh water word.
>> I mean, you know, when the bridge gets changed, the water level is going to rise anyway and you're not going to be able to mow down there >> and it's already very inundated. >> Yeah, it is. But I just want to emphasize that my husband does the
mowing and he doesn't like to do it and it's only done twice a year. >> So you might say it looks like more but more was not done. >> Okay? And and I would just tell you this little story that two years ago, March,
I was at the property and looking out the window and I saw this big gray blob on the lawn and I thought it was, you know, I heard coyotes the night before. I thought it was a dead animal. I wandered down and this animal popped its
head up and it was a baby harbor seal. And it was apparently they come in to the warmer area, you know, that time of year. And if the fragmitees and all the grass have been grown, that little seal wouldn't have been able to do that and
get to safety. So I'm just making a point that wildlife, you know, appreciates what we've been doing there. So, can I ask >> So, Britney, are you making a
recommendation that some markers be put down so that so that there's a definitive line in terms of where it can be mowed and not to help out help the home owner understand where >> it can be mowed and not? Yeah, it's just very difficult for us to tell and for I
imagine the homeowners to tell what 84 feet wide and 67 feet wide looks like from the approved area because there's there's really no there's no way for them to tell. Um, so to get the sides, just the sides, east and west sides marked. It could just be by shrubs. It
doesn't have to be by stones or fence or anything. By something so that they know where the boundary of the mowing is. um so that the mitigation areas and the wetland itself can grow into the area that it was supposed to be um even if it has been mowed twice a year.
>> Well, okay, that sounds reasonable to me. And also I wondered if it would be reasonable to the applicant to to maintain some sort of record written record of when it's mowed. >> Well, I think that was originally conditioned and wasn't followed.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we we >> maybe it needs to be followed. >> Yeah. We received one monitoring report the first year um and then we didn't receive any until this year. Um so it's been five years. >> Co interrupted things a little bit in
the middle. But I don't have an excuse for you. So if we can finalize this decision, I respect what the committee has done. But just >> then we can >> just to be clear what we're asking for because you I don't know if you're
selling the house or not but if you are there's next people come in have to go by the same um rules. >> Absolutely. >> So we by differentiating or putting out some kind of markers or boundary whether it's shrubs or rocks some kind of marker
so they know when they buy the house that we can mow here but we can't mow any place else. Um it would that's so it's clear to the next owner. >> So delineate to me where you want those markers put please. Will that be in the
final report? So yes, if the commission votes, it would be um if they vote pending receipt or pending implementation of some sort of boundary markers on the eastern and western
limits of the existing lawn area as shown on the plan outlined in the dark green, but not on the forward side because it may migrate. Is it? So, what we're looking to do is we're looking to close hopefully tonight
because there's a closing um based on this. So, um if the homeowner says that she will um basically line out and I'd say the easiest way in the shortest term would be to probably just put in some stones or wooden posts of one or the other just to make sure that there's a
specific easy way to see them like >> and then maybe they change it later for bushes or something like that. But at least there'll be an initial this is where you can go and this is where you can't go to make it clear to the new owner that this is where it is. And I'm sure the uh current owner myself will
make sure that that's lined up and taken care of. >> Okay. And then Paul's request of uh what did you say Paul? An annual >> Well, yeah. and and Bradford also um indicated that that was part of the original original um conditions of
monitoring report annually at the end of the growing season. So that would include when it would mow be mowed I would imagine. >> The only thing is that um Britney's um recommendation is that we reduce the area that can be mowed.
>> Well, but so so so in the report can you put in what area you mowed? Yeah. So, >> so if we're not now mowing that area and we're just doing the strips, you know, the mitigation strips, then
why would we have to I mean, before we were reporting, we were supposed to report twice annually the mowing of the wetland area. If we're not doing that now, why do we still need to report if we're just doing the strips? Well, I guess it's part of my misunderstanding
here, but the thing I thought there were still areas you're going to continue to mow, >> but the fact of the matter is you didn't provide any indication of when it was mowed in any written report previously. So, I thought it might be something you could do, but if circumstances have changed, certainly it would be
reasonable to not include a mowing report in in the in the um in the uh annual report if you didn't mow it. Right. Right. But any other pertinent information, whatever Britney says should be in that report should be
provided. And I get the feeling, I'm not sure if I saw this right, that those reports have not been um issued. So could could you please do those? >> Or could they be done in the future by the next owner? >> Yeah. So, and so if we're issuing a
certificate of compliance without allowing ongoing mowing of the resource area, I don't think there would be reason for them to submit reports. Um, but the ongoing conditions that would apply from the original order. Um, we would we would pick these four. So, the
boats and would still have to be stored in their location. No lawn shall exist other than the existing lawn, no grass clippings, and the one about the swimming pool content. So, those would be the ongoing conditions. Um, but we wouldn't include monitoring as an ongoing condition if they're not allowed to do any additional work other than
maintaining the pathway and maintaining the fragmitees edge with one strip. >> Okay. >> And we would be perfectly fine with those conditions. >> Okay. >> Oh, okay. So, let's confuse this even more. So, who's monitoring the
fragmitees or is >> if we issue a certificate of compliance, nobody would be monitoring the property any longer. You're okay with that subject? >> That's up to the commission. >> Okay. Just the fragmitees was the only thing that I was concerned about.
>> Um >> um it it does look like there's >> down >> the the reason father moing was to keep the fragmiteies down, >> right? >> And we would love to be able to pass that on to Newona, but Britney's recommendation is that we are not allowed to go in that area. And I fully
understand why. But you know, if if we were to close tonight and if Fagmitees were to start taking over the middle section that we're not allowed more anymore, if the new owner could possibly come back and have that discussion with this commission that the Fagmitees are
taking over, can we mow again? You know, then that's something that we'd love to be able to pass along to them that there might be um an open year with the commission if that were to happen. So, >> so to Paul's point, does it is there reason then for maybe a yearly report or something on the status of the
fragmitees and or do we just kind of wait and see? >> Yeah, that would be up to the homeowners if they want to tackle that at a later date. >> Okay. >> With a new notice of intent because this one has expired. So, they generally they they wouldn't be able to do it unless
you authorize it as an ongoing condition. Um, >> okay. >> So, it sounds like the new owners would have to come to us if >> Yeah. For just a fragmite management, ecological restoration notice of intent. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Any other comments from the Okay. Do I hear a motion to accept the COC pending uh markers on the east and west side um and the ongoing conditions that
through >> ongoing applicable conditions >> which she will I hear a motion. >> I'll move. >> I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? Okay, it's passed.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, just send me a photo or let me know when those are in and I'll issue the COC and you can pick it up or I'll mail it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Oh, I have to sign this
here. >> Okay. So, on the next order of make sure I get to the right place. Here we go. Request for determination of applicability. Chris Ericson to Cape
Isle Drive. After the fact additional 6 by15 float and ramp in land under the ocean and land containing shellfish. You introduce yourself. >> Hello. And uh what is a fragmitey? Never heard of such a thing. I've been living here my whole life and I don't even know
what a fragmite is. >> You've seen it but you just don't know it. >> Oh, okay. I I'll have to look into that one. But my name is Chris Ericson. I'm a longtime resident here in Yamoth. I'm the owner of 2K Drive. And you want me to talk about the
history or >> the history? Just your proposed project. >> Okay. So, um what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to um record the deed on this project that I've been working on since 1999. uh Brad Hall. In fact, I stood before
this board um many many years ago and I got an RDA for this project and it just wasn't completed through D. So now I found out that this whole thing expires after 3 years. So now I'm back
before you hoping to get this thing reestablished so that I can finished and get this thing completed um and get it recorded in Bonstable. And all I'm doing, I'm not making any changes. There's nothing being built. All I'm trying to do is comply with the
town and get this thing on the books. And that's why I'm here. >> So, the 6 by the uh float closest to the road is the one we're talking about. >> Yes. And I've been using that um for for
26 years. every year because I like I said I live here. >> Anybody have any questions? >> Britney? >> Yeah, I just noticed a plan error. Um, if the commission decides to issue it says it's a 6x5 float, but it's a 6x15
float, right? >> It's a 6x6. >> Yeah. So, that'll it'll just need to be fixed. um if the board decides to issue it and we are still waiting for the division of marine fisheries to comment. So it would be pending their comments as
well. Um so just for some clarity he did get an RDA approving the float in 95 um but waited until after it had expired to install the float and then the chapter 91 license when he applied for it this year needed an updated approval from the
commission since the old one had expired. So that's why he's here before us with the RDA with the engineered site plan so that he can get his chapter 91 license for the float. >> So if we approve he still is pending DMF
comment. So we could approve this pending DMF. >> Yes. And so usually they will ask for a float stop when we're this close to the float to the uh seafloor. And in your case you don't have a float stop, right?
I don't even know what one is. >> Okay. It it stops the float from going any lower at low low tides. Um but since this is a man-made canal, I'm not extremely concerned about uh grounding because there's it's mostly muck right now.
>> And it's also being dredged another >> very shortly. >> Not the area under your float, but area nearby will be dredged. >> Yeah, that was something you folks approved >> right a few months back. So you understand that what if we approve this
DMF is still going to make comments that you'll have to abide by >> except the float I don't that's I'm assuming they're going to make a comment about the float stop that I'm not sure is applicable to this project unless you want him to put a float stop in.
>> Okay. So even if DMF asks for a float stop we can say it doesn't have to be done. >> Yeah. They're recommendations so you you don't have to take all of them. You all get that? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> There's nothing currently in like they're just floats. They're there's
nothing actually into the >> the ground. >> He has a bulkhead, >> you know. I >> the bulkhead. Yeah. >> No, there's no um pilings that they're attached to. They're just attached to the >> What are they attached to? Um they are
uh there it the platform is sitting on the piling. >> Okay. Is this metal pole down into the substrate? >> Yeah, it's they're all the same for all the fingers in Yamoth that they just go up and down. They slide up and down the
pole depending on the height of the tide. And um I don't think anyone has float stops. I mean, I I'm a board of director over in the association, and I never even heard that anyone had a float stop, >> but it's attached to this these metal
pilings. >> Yeah. So, um >> um >> yeah, the marine people just it's chain. It's just a piece of galvanized chain that goes around the pole and it slides up and down depending on the the hide uh tide
height. >> So, we're approving a the new um the size of a six times uh by five. >> It's a six. Yeah. 6 by 15 and 10 inches. That's a typo. So, they'll have to provide a revised plan with the correct
dimensions. Okay. >> Anybody else in the >> Yeah. So, there's there's no um there's no time when um the tide is so low that this thing bottoms out on the on the >> I no I've been living there for a long time and
>> not really. >> Don't think so. >> There's always water there. Um >> even after it's dredge, will DMF comment on that, Britney? >> That it might need stops. >> They'll probably comment that. Yeah. anytime there's less than 2 ft of clearance, which it says less than they they say they want.
>> So, that might be in the offering for the owner, >> right? Also, another question I have, are these um floats removed? What is it? By there's a they're supposed to be removed by what, November 1st or something. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yes, they are. They're all of them
are removed because it everything freezes. >> That's done on a timely and regular basis. >> Yeah. It's it's usually done before December 1st. I mean, they all come out. I think November 1st is the target day. >> Is that what it is? I think November or December.
>> The other day you said December. >> We always have November, but >> no, >> have to wait for them. >> You know, the dock people come in and and they just um there's two there's two or three different dock companies and they they come in constantly moving docks and then they it's dependent on
the weather and the wind and Yeah. >> the tide and so forth. So, but they everybody wants to get them out because you know the season's over. >> Yeah. I guess sometimes I hear that they don't come out, but but that that I'm I'm glad to hear that they do. >> Yeah,
>> that one says during the non- voting season, so that's not helpful. >> Anybody in the audience have any comments or questions here? Okay, how about online? Oh, wow. Nobody's on Zoom. There's a new one I don't have to worry about. >> They're all on TV while watching the Red
Sox. >> Okay, >> I have a question. Um it might be a stupid question but so there are there is like a mirror image existing permitted structure with a license. So
>> it doesn't have a license >> um on the left on the >> oh the part of it does not the one he's proposing. So, did we look at that before? And if so, are there conditions that apply because
they're identical structures? Are there Yes, this is the plan for that. Um >> Oh, yeah. There it is. Handdrawn. >> It's pretty cool.
Yep. So, the the the original structure was permanent and approved with special conditions that no judging. The the typical special conditions for a float. Okay. >> Um removal of shellfish if they exist, no dredging, no drainage pipes through the bulkhead,
no refueling, time of year restriction. So, all that was in the original. >> Can we apply those to this approval tonight? Um, that was for the bulkhead and the float end ramp. So, there's some in there that don't apply. Um, but the ones
I would I would recommend is just that they're removed seasonally. Um, and no other construction work is happening. Okay. So, I don't think we need many any other ones. >> Any other comments, questions?
>> Uh, just a comment. Um, I would be fine approving it without the float stops if that's a DMF DMF. >> Yeah. >> Uh, comment. Um, I I don't think it's needs to be required here. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> I agree with that. >> You okay with that? Yeah. >> Okay. Do I hear a motion to accept with conditions? >> You need to issue a negative two. >> Negative -2. Do I have that some place?
>> I move to issue a negative two determination. >> Second. >> Go. >> Jack will second. Okay. Um, all in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? Okay, >> it's done.
>> Can I just make What's the negative two mean? >> So, that means you don't have to file a notice of intent and your project as discussed has been approved. So, um I we will issue the RDA when we get the DMF comment back. We have to wait for them.
It's not optional. So, once we get their comment, I'll issue it and you can come pick it up if you're in town and then it'll you'll submit it to chapter 91 and then they'll be able to give you your license. >> Okay. Thank Thank you. But I How long does it take for the u the not
waterways? But um >> they they usually respond within 30 days. >> Oh, they do. Okay. Okay. So, it's coming up soon. Okay. >> All right. Great. >> They're not affected by the >> um No, that's a state program. >> State. Okay. >> All right. Thank you, ladies and
gentlemen. Okay. I really appreciate >> negative in this case is positive. >> I know. I was hoping I get a straight A and I'm negative, too. I'm like, uh oh. All right, guys. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, our next one is James
Hillyard, 87 Massachusetts AB. Proposed two-story addition in land subject to coastal storm flowage. >> That's okay. Thank you. >> Oh, wait a minute. I got to send this down. Someone's not reminding me. >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. >> One job.
>> One job and I failed. [Music] >> So, you introduce yourself. >> Yes, sir. Hi, good evening. Darren Meyer representing James Hillyard regarding his project at 87 Massachusetts Avenue. I'm here for a request for determination for a small
twostory addition 12 by well 12 x 15 in an AE11 flood zone. Uh there is no other proposed work to the site other than this addition. Site conditions around the property will not change. The construction of the addition will be
in conformance with all flood zone flood uh requirements and that'll all be submitted with the building permit application. Um happy to answer any questions. >> I do want to mention that when we're out there we all noticed that there's no
doubt that the lawn is being watered and we're in a drought no watering situation. So could you please tell the homeowner to stop the lawn? Sure. watering and keep in touch with what may happen next spring. >> Okay.
>> Anybody have any questions? Go ahead. >> Yeah, since it's a twostory edition, I was just concerned about um storm runoff and what what provisions you have on the roof for that. uh the uh runoff from the roof will be
tied into the existing drainage that's there that I don't uh there wasn't any proposal to add any additional drywalls or anything. I think he's going to tie it into what's there. Um the reason it's two stories is because the kitchen that they want to expand is on the second
story and so they have to add a first story to do that. >> Do you know if there are existing drywalls on site? Um, as far as I know, there are, but I can't say 100% certainty.
>> Okay, >> questions from the commission. >> Britney, >> I just wanted to make sure there's a flood vent located on this side. When you put in the addition, it's going to be relocated to one of those outer walls. >> Yeah, there is one on that 10-ft
section. And uh we've recommended that there be one placed on both the 15 and the 12 and a half. >> Okay. Did that you recommended but they're still considering? >> Well, I haven't seen the final uh design on the architecturals. So, we'll tell
him that he should do that. >> Okay. Yes. I would recommend the board issue a negative two um with special conditions including a flood vent on one of the outer walls and gutters um incorporated into the existing storm water drainage system.
>> Okay. Anybody in the audience >> you have something? >> I'm just it's a fairly small lot and I'd be really worried if there's not a if it just flows into the ground without some
kind of you know, underground storage or something to >> Can you check on that? >> Is that roof runoff you mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And if it goes put just in the ground,
you're close to >> the wetland. >> We aren't near any wetlands on this site. Okay. >> It's flood zone only. >> Just the flood zone. Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Do I hear a motion to accept
with um new flood? Make sure the flood vents are on the U proposal and that the uh runoff goes move. >> Second. All in favor?
>> Anybody >> opposed? Okay. Passes. >> Negative two. >> Negative two. Sorry. Double negative negative >> negative equals a positive. >> Okay. >> Who moved that older
>> seconded it? >> They're thin >> sometimes. >> Sometimes. >> All right. Uh the next one is SE83-2494. It's going the wrong thing. Um, Cape Cod
Engineering for RJ Resorts Water Resort Owner 291 and 301 Southshore Drive proposed seasonal deck on a coastal beach velocity flood zone in NHSP habitat. They're asking for continuance
till 11:20. Is this there? I know we continued before. >> Continued a few times. Natural Heritage um originally asked for additional information and they thought they had provided it. Um but it turns out they provided data for a different location.
So they are still compiling the information they need for to give natural heritage so they can issue their comments. >> Okay. So um do I hear a motion to ex to allow continuance? >> I'll do. >> Okay. Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I
>> Great. We like them that easy. >> All right. >> Nothing to sign. >> This goes with it. This goes up here. Okay. Okay, the next one is SE832482
Ryder and Wilcox for James McCartney 27 Grismill after the fact filing for unpermitted retaining unpermitted patio retaining walls and fill within the flood zone and buffer zone to a salt marsh. This is continued is they're asking for another continuence, but this
would be their >> Yes. Can you can you say your full name? What's your last name? >> Scott Samakowski. >> Okay. want him to spell it for you? >> No, I'll guess. >> Okay. >> And so, um, this project, uh, has already requested
three continuances. I received an unofficial verbal continuence request till the next meeting, but I haven't received it in writing, so it's not official really. Um, but at the last meeting on August 21st, we did discuss all of the plan revisions that the board
was needing to in order to approve this project and they were extensive. So, the board wanted to see the revised plan prior to issuance of the order of conditions. Um, one of the plan revisions was suggested by the
chairman and not decidedly voted on that I would like to discuss tonight was um he wanted to see removal of the curb at the bottom of of the the grading. And that should really be the only thing we need to discuss tonight. And pending
that, the board may choose to grant an additional continuance knowing that they've already reached their maximum or you can decide to vote on the project knowing the information you have tonight. >> So, the thing we're going to focus on is that curbing at the bottom of the um
near the road and uh whether we'd like them to take it out or not. So, um, I could start and I could say I would like them to take it out, but the rest of you get to have your own opinions. >> Is it appropriate for us to ask for what the cause for the delay was? Is that
applicable our review or >> in in my opinion, it is not applicable to your review. The most recent delay is family related, but the revisions were provided at the end of August that we needed. Um, I don't really I understand
the situation though they've had time. Uh, so the commission may decide however you see fit to grant a continuence. And in my opinion, this this notice of intent was submitted in response to an enforcement order. It was submitted in May. Um, we want this site to be
stabilized as soon as possible. Um, I I really want to see this planted this fall. Any additional delay would make that less likely. And although it they've reached their maximum continuence, I would hope to make a decision and vote on it tonight so that
they can get this site stabilized. It is right next to a salt marsh. We don't want to see exposed dirt soil there anymore. Um though I understand the reluctance >> can ask what your position is on the in this project. >> I work for the owner.
>> Okay. Okay. >> So, one of the issues is that it seems that work is being has been done even ask even after asking or saying that you shouldn't be doing any more work. I don't know how much clearer we can be. >> Well, you guys asked to have the wall
taken down. So, I took the wall down all the way down to the left. Um, >> yeah. So everything we discuss in the hearing room is for the permit >> and no work should happen until you have the permit.
>> So yes, they requested the wall be removed as part of this permitted plan. Um but it wasn't authorization for you to do the work prior to having the permit. >> Oh. >> Since that's what got everybody in this mess in the first place.
>> Anybody else comment about the curbing? >> The curb? Is that the curb there or? >> No, that's an older picture. >> Sorry, that's an older, right? >> A new picture. >> The curving is like one star. >> Significant. Yeah. So, it is a solid.
>> That's the new curving. >> Yeah. It's not a curb. It's it's the bottom of the the bottom row of the wall. The question is, do we want them to take that out? And some people I think the one of the neighbors was here and said he's nervous about the water hitting
that curbing coming down to his property. >> What What is the water going to do? >> Yeah, I mean the grade is definitely still higher than it was originally. I think the grade needs to come down significantly still and it would only
>> it wouldn't be able to meet its original grade with that still there >> and we need to have some erosion control >> absolutely >> during this whole I mean we we should have it now >> yes >> that's in the permitting previously correct
>> that was the first item on the enforcement order was to install erosion control >> right so it's all >> should be there now >> yes >> well it's kind of Yeah. >> Well, this is not Yeah, this one's not sufficient. >> Will we permit it or not?
>> That's a good question, >> right? >> Um, >> yeah. >> I mean, usually they don't drag out this lawn. So, >> yeah. So, it's not an issue. So, I see where you're where Britney suggesting that we try to get this moving >> so that so that they can do everything
properly before >> before winter, >> the growing season is totally gone. So, but we're still discussing these curbing part and then everything else has already been discussed. >> I'm also in favor of removing the
curb um particularly so that the the previous grade can be met. >> Okay. Anybody else? >> Agree. >> You agree. You agree. You have your head shake. >> Yeah. I'm sh Yeah, I'm shaking my Yeah.
Yeah. The grading will be different, I assume. And then Yeah. >> Yeah. So, remove the curb and regrade to original. >> Yes. Um, so if the curving is taken out, would the requirement be to um put a some sort of a fiber roll or something
in there while it's being replanted? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And that would be more beneficial in the curbing which um creates kind of a a hard structure uh that doesn't assist with the um with the
revitation of the of the um slope. Right. >> In my opinion, yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, I would think that taking the curving out would be a good idea. Jack, >> I I guess the what what is the damage that happens that you're talking about
if you leave that curb in going into the neighbors? >> Well, it allows I mean it's inhibiting the grade. They keep lowering the grade bit by bit, but it's still too high. So, eliminate the curb. It's much easier to tell where the grade should be by matching it to the road. >> Oh, I see.
Okay. Any other questions or comments? I mean, we're focusing because everything else has been decided. Am I right? So, it's just this curbing and then >> Yeah, I would recommend making two votes, adding the curb discussion to the list of required revisions and then
voting to either issue the order or granting a continuence so that you can see the plan again before you issue. >> We could we could um we could vote this in and then pending them show giving you the plan and you approving it. Yeah, with everything that we already discussed previously.
>> So, we need two votes. The first one is to remove the curbing or not. Motion to remove the curbing. And uh Paul, you want to >> Yeah, I make a motion to remove the curbing at 67 Chris Mill. >> Okay. >> 27.
>> I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor of the removing of the curbing. >> I >> Okay. Anybody opposed? All right. And the second vote is to issue the permit uh pending um >> revised plans.
>> Revised plans to go to Britney to be approved by her before any more work is done. And um >> Oh, go ahead. >> Well, we got to get that erosion control in there. So, with the approval with the >> with the removal of the curbing, can we
have condition there for erosion control? Can I put the erosion control in tomorrow? >> Yeah, >> that green stuff. >> Yeah, the green stuff. >> That'll work. >> Yeah, part of the original things we discussed on the 21st was um things that happened needed to occur immediately on
site which included an erosion control um cleanup of sediment from the roadway, general construction cleanup, including storage of material outside the 50ft buffer and all motorized equipment outside the 100 foot buffer. So that was all voted on. >> Okay, so we're okay now. So now we're
just giving the the approval to have the permit pending of Britney receiving the new plans and hering it. >> Can the new plan and and I know I I don't have the plans in front of me, but can the new plan definitely show um what
the drainage is going to be? I or does it do we have that? >> U what kind of I don't think they have any drainage proposed. Yeah, I mean that's to appease the neighbors as well. I mean that was their big issue was the runoff and so
um so it sounds like we're going to the existing what it was before. So >> we are putting mitigation plantings in the entire front lawn >> and so it it should just >> it should >> just just drain just drain. Okay,
hopefully not run off. Okay. >> So, can I hear a motion? >> And do you want a time frame to receive the revised? I guess we don't usually do that, but um >> um >> if we were if we were to have granted the continuence, we would have needed
the plan by nove by October 9th. So, that's when they should have the plan in. >> Yeah. I would think I mean we've been with this since May, let's say the 2nd. So, it gives them a week. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Do you think they can do it in a week? the new plan. Yeah. Okay.
>> It has to be in by October 9th. >> How do I motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody oppose? No. Okay. Thank you. You're all set. You'll get the permit. Um you'll get the work to Britney and
>> go from there. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Right. >> Folder or not anything on that? There is a folder. >> Thank you. >> Those chicken and egg ones.
>> Okay. The next one is SE8324.99 down Cape Engineering for Steve and Kimberly Deval 37 Indian Memorial Drive. proposed deck, stairs, rinse station, and vista pruning in the buffer zones to a bordering vegetative wetland and long
pond. And this is not okay. Good evening, chairman. Uh, good evening. Um, Dan Oelo with Downkeep Engineering. I'm a surveyor and civil engineer uh and helping uh Steven Dval
who is hoping to um kind of tidy up a shave and a haircut his rear yard here at 37 Indian Memorial Drive in South Yarmouth. Um this is an older property had an old house on it that was somewhat closer to the wetland than the existing house. It was redeveloped um in ' 05 06
time frame I believe. um I'll correct that if I need to, but uh many years back and um as part of that they um they put in some patios in the back. Um the certificate of compliance issued I think in about 07 on this one. It's a little
bit late, but um by that time um well in any event um the the rear yard has looked like this. has been existing for for many many many years um prior to the um certificate of compliance. And what
they'd like to do is pull up there's an older in the photograph there. There's an kind of tired steps at grade down to the to the uh little dock there. We couldn't find a permit for the dock. So, we're working with Mark Burgess Shorefront to get that um permitted
properly. It is a great pond, so it needs a permit and also a local approval. Um, so you'll see the plan has on it um um removing the existing patio and planting beds. Um it's uh a 12x 20
deck will replace that big round patio and um there's also some other hardscapeish um planting beds on the on the northeast corner there at the end of the driveway. We're going to pull all that up. Um the rent station and walkway will replace existing hardscape areas
currently behind the garage and these changes will be a net decrease in the hardscape within the 0 to 50 and also overall for the project um is a net decrease. Um again the deteriorating uh landscape steps are set to be uh replaced with new
wooden treads with gravel between the steps. Hopefully a little more longevity out of them, some drainage. Um work limit line will be installed. Um, also part of this is, um, it's not too bad when the leaves drop, but this time
of year it's a little hard to see the pond. They're looking to selectively manage the vegetation and just a 30 foot wide vista quarter uh, in the BVW. Um, and uh, that would just improve some of the views from the pond. Kind of a peekab-boo view. The site is really
nicely, it's very native. There's a ton of vegetation on the north. There's a bunch on the south. To the north is a kind of a natural lot. But I think it's um the association little park bench and so forth. And all the woods are contiguous. So this is just a little
peekab-boo view through a nice wooded um section. So it'll continue to be a very um conservation looking site. And again, this isn't clear cutting. We're just limming up, trimming the um the higher brush and the and the limbs. There's a pretty extensive um protocol there on
the left that says that you're not going to we're not going to top anything or cut any big trees. is just limming up to improve the view um in the area of the the height of the deck. So, it's a 4 to 10 foot uh in an irregular pattern. We're not going to give it a a buzz cut level. It'll it'll
have some vertical diversity. Um and uh any trees over 3 in, it'll remain. Just selectively limb them up to 4 in limbs uh only. Um and that's uh to only 15 ft above grade. So the whole canopy will remain
um by hand no wheel to track equipment uh within this area and it's 0 to 35 ft buffer is where that work is taking place um Brad hold the wetland um I think we got updated data sheets over um to Britany and um we feel the BVW will
continue to act fully to its capacity to provide habitat and food sources for wildlife. So, uh, again, the hardscape net is going down a little bit. Um, it's an older development. It was redevelopment redeveloped 20 something years ago. Um, it's a little bit closer
than you'd allow today, but again, it is kind of what it is. It's a compact site and, uh, it's a lot better than it used to be with the old house configuration and a little bit better than what it is now. So, we feel it's approvable. Um it's uh um a relatively um
conservation-minded site. As I said, there's a tremendous amount of trees that are remain in that buffer and to the east and to the west. Um and um we feel it's a good project and would look forward to you looking on it favorably. I'd certainly be glad to answer any
questions if you have them. I do want to say that uh if anybody doubts there's been a drought, they should walk the property and see where the where the um pier is no longer in the water. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Stage two drought. Back to a stage
two. It's no joke. Yeah. >> That's my political statement for the Well, not really, but >> Go ahead. >> Hi. Good uh good evening. Could could you just speak to uh and maybe the the existing picture? Oh, who's in the
picture? Is that any of us? Sorry, >> I won't take them. >> Wait, was that a majority? >> No, it was not. >> There was three. >> I was I was just questioning your note here about remove planting beds and um patio stones. Sure.
>> And what that is and any impact or >> Yeah. Or what? >> Sure. So, that's that's kind of tired looking um landscape timbers around that. It's actually in the picture that Britney has up now, but it's at the end of the driveway and we're just going to remove that and replace it with a fescue
lawn. So, that hardscape will be removed. >> Okay. Can you note that on the on the drawing that it will be placed with >> Are you counting the garden area as hardcape? Just >> No, but uh there is some hardscape in it
and and obviously the the timber. Um, no, it's just just the concrete, but um just use that as a figure of speech. Yeah, there is a note on the plan. Um, I believe that it's all to be removed. Whether or not we noted on there, um, it
could certainly be conditioned or or >> you're removing. I just didn't know if you should note what you're replacing it with or >> correct. Yeah. Yeah, that would be appropriate. Um I think the um the narrative says that but the plan could say that as well. They are just for the record going to
put a dog fence back in once they get the silk fence done. Just one of those nice wire um hidden from view. But uh do want to note that that's on the plan. >> You say back in. Does that mean that >> in other words when the sil fence comes out they're going to just put a little
wire in the ground? It's hidden, but it's uh keeps the dog from >> So, it's an electric fence, not a physical fence. >> Yes. This is nothing physically above ground. Just a little um Well, that's my understanding anyway. That's what I That's my knowledge. We'll certainly let
you know if it's anything else, but >> Do they have to dig a trench to put it in? >> Uh yeah, it's just a hand spade. It's you push it back and tuck it in. It's It's very very minimally invasive. I believe that's what they're doing. I I don't know. That's what everybody seems to be doing these days. I could stand to
be corrected on what exactly a dog fence is. >> I mean, the top of the coastal bank at the silt fence location where the lawn ends is in a bit rough shape. So, I would be worried about any additional disturbance in the exposed soil there. >> Sure.
>> Don't have a great I don't have a great photo of it. um if they could bring the fence out into the lawn a foot or two so that you're digging into an area that has some roots in it instead of just like open sediment because it is like a steep
>> they obviously created a lawn at the top at some point in time and there's some rough space that's completely bare >> so I would be concerned about them digging there. >> Okay. Um yeah, we could revise the plan to show that and I I I do need to be corrected. It's silk fence would be um
replaced with a chain link or similar dog fence. So that looks like an above grade little fence to contain the puppies and above and so like an actual chain link fence. >> That's what the narrative says. Yeah. >> Um historically we wouldn't allow
something like that within the no disturb buffer zone. >> But the commission can decide whether or not to grant a variance that 35t is not that far away. Um >> yeah and and and it is already like you
say it was always part of the lawn um going way way back. The old house was the other way and was pushed out a little more and so that was has been there for many years but again it's under a canopy so things don't grow super well on it. Um,
yeah. I mean, if if if the board could consider that to be okay, that would also serve nicely as a reminder not to >> Well, sorry. I don't I don't >> some other I mean, another option would be a fence with slats so wildlife could
pass through, but I guess not a dog sized wildlife. >> Would be happy to leave the top up. Um, as long as it's not the smallest toy dog in the world, I think that'll be fine. >> Instead of chain link, just vertical slats. And um, yeah, I guess we need to know how big
the dog is because usually we'd ask for six inches of clearance at the bottom of the fence. >> Okay. >> For wildlife passage, but that is obviously the might the dog might fit under that and defeat the purpose. So, >> I guess I'm not understanding >> the outline of the fence because you say
the silt fence will be replaced with dog fence, but the silt fence goes almost to the pier. It stays. So, is it the fence going down? >> No. Um the um I can clarify that um with
a little plan revision, but you can see the X that goes across where it says S in steps. That's the fence. uh the chain the um the um work limit is the darker line and then um it returns to the house. So if phto can't get out the
driveway or near the septic system. So um that lighter line where it says proposed fence is the line type for the fence. The darker one is the work limit. But of course when they're on top of each other, we just made the note that um the silk fence would also represent the regular fence. So that's the
difference. And obviously it would have a little gate there at the top of the stairs. I'll see if I can talk him into that uh you know the electric dog fence, you know, but uh I don't know that that would work for them. >> Some people don't do electric fences because it doesn't keep the coyotes out.
>> Keeps the dog in. >> That's true. >> I also had a question on the deck. Um I'm a little confused on how it's
I guess being raised up. Um so could could you provide some clarification on that? And >> yeah, the first floor um if you look at um where underneath where it says 12 by 20 step where you can see in the photograph the pictures were thousand words there. You can go back to that.
But uh see how the house the first floor is up a little bit so that people don't have to go up and down every time they go on the deck. the deck was just going to be, you know, probably one step down from the first floor. Um, that's pretty typical, you know, when you go outside and having those um, so it would be and
then the stairs would go kind of a nucket, one on either side. Those are the darker stairs. So, simply raising it up to about 6 in or 8 in below the first floor and then have a couple of steps down on either side. Um, that light would um likely require a little rail
around the fence because I mean I'm sorry, a rail around the deck because that's code. >> And then what would be going underneath the deck? >> Um, typically we'd put wash down so it would drain. >> Okay.
>> You have a question, Paul? >> No. >> And question. Can you give a little more detail on what you're talking about planning around the steps going down that looks pretty eroded?
>> Um, refresh my memory on that. Did we have something about propos? >> No, I don't think I saw anything proposed in there, but it is pretty in rough shape. Um, so if you're going to be proposing to replace these ingra steps, I'd like to know the dimensions
of the steps >> and um perhaps some plug planting on the sides because it is pretty bare and we'd be introducing some more disturbance there. >> Yeah. Well, would would replace them in kind. I'll get the dimension. I could scale it, but it's probably, you know,
less than 3 ft wide there. Just a narrow little set of steps. Um, but if you'd like some low plantings on the sides, I think we could accommodate that. >> Well, more than just the sides as far as the erosion.
>> So, the is moss and uh which I like moss myself, but it doesn't do much good in that situation where, you know, for wouldn't stop erosion. >> Yeah. Well, hopefully, you know, once the stairs are rebuilt, people will use
the stairs because they'll be safe. You know, right now you can see the person even walking where there's no stairs because it's the stairs are a bit treacherous. So, I think that'll help. But, um, you know, we could we could put some, you know, shade shade tolerant shrubs in there. >> Um, so shady, it's going to be hard to
get anything else to grow, right? >> Yeah. I mean even even plugs winter berry some pen sge um burns something just to hold the soil there if there's a lot of te winterberry growing sorry winter green tea berry growing nearby it grows well in the shade but I
just want to see something there because we're going to introduce some we want to make it better than we're leaving it if we're going to upgrade those stairs. >> Yeah, that sounds fine. >> And then the vista. We come to the vista. >> Wait, can we go back to the stairs? >> Stairs. Let's stick stairs.
>> The stairs are currently unpermitted. Correct. So, don't we need to provide some sort of mitigation? >> I think there was some stairs on the original plan, wasn't there? >> It's old. >> No, I don't think there were not. Um, but generally we do allow a 3-ft wide
access to a water body. Um, and it would be difficult. You can ask for mitigation, but generally we wouldn't cut somebody off from their access um if they need to improve it for safety as long as it's three to four feet wide and
they don't want like a six foot wide staircase. >> Just wanted to clarify that. >> But I think in in him saying that the plantings on the side are required for stabilization and to in order to permit the stairs.
So then, >> excuse me. Any other questions about the stairs before we go? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, >> just uh from what I know of the rules are fairly constraining and there's
really, as far as I could tell, very little there that could be pruned to meet and meet the standards. And I'm I just want to be sure that they realize they're not going to get a vast vi kind of which would be nice
>> clear-cut view. No, no, no. No. I Yeah. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, all we're talking about is is, you know, above the shrub line, just limming, you know, the the the if there's any invasive vines, obviously get those off of there, but just kind of cleaning up um the area between the top
of those shrubs and 15 ft off the ground so you can, you know, see through the trees, but the trees would all stay. That's a shorthand way of saying it. Um, >> do we have a Britney, do we have a requirement on that that uh sometime
before they do. >> We have uh we have Vista pruding guidelines that will attach in the special conditions and in the pre-construction meeting we can go over in detail. Okay. Which limbs are good to go and which are have to stay. >> Generally our guidelines I think you
have on the plan it's um living branches can only be pruned if they're less than 4 in. I think you >> Yeah, that I I can't I'm pretty sure they're just copied from other ones we've done which should follow your guidelines to the tea but >> yeah so we'll add the the guidelines
into the special conditions >> side branches up to 4 in could be removed but anything over four inches you can't touch >> and can we go are you all set in the do you have more questions about the >> okay >> with that do you have any questions >> me
>> yeah it's very minor but it's water uh the rinse station. Um what how are you treating that is underneath is um gravel or >> Yeah, you'd put wash stone underneath that and the we have good pvious soil here so it go straight into the ground but you'd always you'd always put a
little wash stone under it. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um you mentioned the pier >> is are you proposing to permit it under this? >> No separately. >> No. Mark is going to bring that in. I believe we've given him a working plan
already, but he's just backed up. >> Okay. If we're uh please note pier is not currently permitted seeking permitting or take it off graphically so that we're not confused in the future that we've approved a pier with this site plan. >> Okay.
>> Anything else? Do we have to agree on the variance for the fence in the >> foot? Anybody have any concerns about the fence being within the 35 foot? >> I guess it depends what kind of fence is
going in. >> Yeah. I don't even know what kind of fence. >> We could require fence at Britney 6 in off the ground slatted like a pool fence. Like a
>> Yeah, like an aluminum pool fence. >> Yeah, >> those are attractive. They fade in. >> Pool fence. >> Aluminum black. Um not a chain link. Well, just what I've seen is they're vertical slats with a with a a thing at the top and that lets you have a gap at
the bottom. I think 4 in is pool code, but we could probably cheat it a little unless he's got the world's smallest dog to get you the 6 in. And then I think that would be a very appropriate um honestly we have a toy dog and we have to put a wire mesh on it because the dog
can slip through. assuming it's a bigger dog. Um, and I think it could be retrofit as long as um you have the gap under for wildlife. Um, is that reasonable or were you um would a black chain link be okay?
>> We we would like a fence that wildlife can make its way through. >> Yeah. So slatted is better, >> I think. So, yeah. At least then small wildlife can get through. Obviously, not coyotes, but that's the point. >> Yeah. Well, mine the the squirrels get through quite nicely when the dogs chase
them, so it works well. Chipmunks and everything >> gives the dog exercise. >> Yeah, everyone's happy. Um, okay. So, um, we can we can note that and uh go from there. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Does the fence go down along the stairs? I'm sorry. >> No, it goes across the top. >> Kind of confusing because it has two X's. >> Yeah. It's just >> the light colored X is Look where it says gravel driveway. >> Y, >> but then it goes along the dark colored
X until you get to the top of the stairs and then straight across. >> It would it wouldn't make any sense to go down around those landscape steps for us. So, we'll just put a little I'll show a little gate symbol on a revised plan that'll clarify and uh demarcate it
a little bit more clearly. Any other questions from the board? Anybody out in the audience? Nobody's online. So, do I hear a motion to I think at this point we probably
need to continue till we get the uh all the other questions on on a plan. Would you say so? >> Everybody. Yeah. Anybody here? >> I would like to see the revised plans. >> Okay. So, I can hear a motion to continue. When can you get the revised
plans by? >> Um, we can get the revised plans within a week if you want to do two weeks or whatever your schedule is. It's a easy one. >> Our next meeting is the uh 16th >> 11. Um, yes. So by the 16th plans by the 9th.
>> You got it. >> Okay. I'll make these notes and I appreciate your careful attention to everything. Thank you very much. >> We still need to vote. So yes, >> I'll move to continue to October 16th. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I
>> I thank you. >> Thanks again. >> Now you can leave. >> Yes. >> We could have left anyway. >> Okay. Okay. Next one is request for certificate of
compliance SC832244 114 Upper County LLC 160 Wood Road and introduce yourself. Um, and I'm going to go to Britney first because it is a COC. My name is Craig Whitten. I'm uh the
owner of Love That Property. This is Darren Meyer, the engineer. >> Good evening. >> Hello. Sorry, one second. Let me speed through. Um, that's not what I want.
So, this is a certificate of compliance request. Um, it had been submitted in the spring and they just hadn't had a chance to put in the mitigation plantings at that time as per the approved plan. Since then, they have installed the mitigation
plantings. However, they are in a very interesting location. Um, they do appear to meet where they're located on the approved plan. Um, however, when the plan was made, the intention was for them to be
directly adjacent to the existing vegetation of the BVW. Let me use my So, here are the mitigation plantings. There's blueberries, blobish blueberries, and rodies in the back. Um, here's the BVW and here's a great expanse of space in
between. Um, which I believe at some point either had invasive vegetation that the homeowner trained to manage or something there, but it's not there any longer. So, it's a very odd place for mitigation plantings to be. Um, the only other issue for this property is that
this was the approved plan with the paved driveway. They recently redid their septic system to meet um code and they now have a large paved driveway across the front of the property in a U-shape. It is outside the 50ft buffer zone, but it is not on the originally
approved plan. And I can >> correct. It's within the 100 foot. >> That's correct. Here's the aerial. Um there's the new driveway. And since it is outside the 100, outside
the 50, um, sorry, I did have a photo of the edge where runoff may be an issue. Um, but I would recommend at this point of the driveway at the end of the driveway, putting in a gravel strip for for um, infiltration
and getting seed on that exposed soil as soon as possible where that erosion control barrier is. No problem. >> A photo of Oh, this is the Do you So, do you have any idea what was in between that area? Was it just invasive vines and shrubs?
>> All just invasive vines, weeds. Every weed you could think of is back there. >> Okay. >> And we've we've done a lot of I mean, when we first bought the place, it was quite a mess. So, all we did was just munch it all down and kept what's existing there. There's no grass back
there, anything like that. It's all just >> beads and junk. >> And we planted the plants as per what the plan was. If the board would like a few some more plants, I don't mind planting a few more. It's to just make it prettier. >> Yeah, I think >> Yeah, I think that would be that would
be best just to fill some of that some of that space where you managed some plants in the middle. So that >> you want it closer to the high water line. >> Yeah. So where you removed that invasive vegetation in the middle here where there's just some herbaceous weeds
>> plant more blueberry >> whatever the board >> we chose roodendran the board at the time liked the roodendran because it would it would act as a backdrop a larger backdrop as you can see the neighbors fences have rotten and all fallen down. >> Yeah. So we we planted the American
rooden in the backs to keep the to so they get higher and but then in front of it is just the the low bush blueberry. We can certainly continue with blueberry and and bring it down further. It's it's a tough enough plant that'll actually handle fighting with all the weeds and
vines. If I plant anything a lot of other plants in there, they're just going to get choked out and die. >> I think that'll also take the place of the mitigate from added driveway too. >> Yeah. which is a within 100 foot. So that would be that would be good too.
That would take care of two two issues. >> No problem. >> And the last item was there's just some trash in the wetland. If you could clean up the >> Yes, we that is a interesting battle that we keep playing. When we first bought the place, we we took four dump trucks of trash out of the marsh.
>> Wow. >> And there was so much when we first bought the place, but we've it's all clean now, but stuff tends to wash up. We'll we'll continue cleaning it up. >> Yep. laptop dies. >> Is the retaining wall uh architectural? Does it serve a a a runoff purpose?
Isn't there a new retaining wall or >> It's just holding back some dirt. That's all. >> Is that in now or >> It is. It's all been improved and everything. >> My laptop died. I have to go get my >> Yeah. So, I would I would recommend um either issuing the COC
with pending installation of additional plants of your choice with my approval as long as they're native and clean up of the debris. >> No problem. Do you want more blueberry? Maybe another 24 or so. >> Sounds good. >> Let's go for it. >> Nice blueberry.
>> All about the plants. So, we'll we like plants. >> If you want anything else too, just let me know. You can swap for >> Great. you have to decide in 30 seconds. >> Sounds great. >> Um, so that's what I would recommend to the commission, but you can decide to continue if you'd like to see the plants first. >> I'd like to I wouldn't mind accepting it
um with your, you know, with your final approval as a condition. >> Anybody have any questions? >> No, I'm okay with approving pending. Do I hear that as a motion then, Mr.
Bradford? I can unless anyone else has comments. >> Okay, then so moved. >> Okay, second. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? No. >> Okay. >> You're all set. Make sure you
communicate with Brit with Britney and >> Absolutely. >> This will be great. >> Thank you. >> Great. Thank you very much. [Applause] >> Have a couple of other COC's. So, we don't have anything in the the sign. >> Oh, yeah, we do.
>> That was 160 wood, right? >> Yes. 160 wood. >> Did go blank there. >> A short break for Britney. >> There you go. Thanks. trees.
>> Where does it say that? >> The 15, >> right? >> Is that what that means? Did your computer die? Okay. >> All right. So, we'll do the um I think we're on >> island
>> Great Island. So, SE831922, a request for certification of compliance. John Boawk and Nora Brookfield, 935 Great Island. Um, Britney, you have anything to say about
that? >> Um, no. The certificate of compliance is all set for issuance. They just need to store their kayaks in an upland location, not on the Coastal Bank. >> Okay. And they'll be told that. >> Yes, it can be included. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to accept. Anyone
want to second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Great. Next one. >> A folder. >> Oh, yes. Wait a minute. I don't have that folder, Britney. Oh, there it is. It's out of order.
Wait a minute. >> Island. Um, >> okay. Yep. >> Um, can we take the next two together? >> Yes. >> Next two we'll take together. SE83797 Liam Deany 47 Cove View Drive and SE 831
1148 Liam Deini 47 Cove View Drive. Britney, you have any comments? >> No, these are both all set. >> Okay. So, do I hear someone mo motion to accept? >> So moved. >> Second. Anybody? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? I
Okay, >> there are two sheets here to sign. Okay, there you go. Next one is uh 14 Daisy Lane proposed tree removal in no disturb zone of a wetland. Um >> right,
>> you can introduce yourself and >> Yes. Hello everybody. My name is Mark Rowan. Um my wife and I purchased this residence about 6 weeks ago. Uh we just moved to Yarmouth. Um we will be year
round residents. Um we are trying to clean up the backyard. Right now the backyard is uh pretty much dirt and sand and there's a very large tree that overhangs our property line. The tree is
about a foot actually beyond our proper line, maybe two feet. >> Um, >> and the limbs uh extend probably a good 30 ft over the backyard approaching our
back deck. You can see the gazebo there. And the tree is just a nuisance. It It's just very messy. uh it results uh thousands of acorns on the on the lawn. Um
so we are looking to have uh the tree removed. The branches are all covered in moss. It we don't feel it's in good shape. Um but it's very intrusive to our backyard. You
can see it covers a good 30 40% of our backyard. Um, and it uh, again, it's just very, very messy. Uh, the previous owners were summer residents, so I don't think they're too
bothered by it. Um, but we anticipate, you know, with the fall and the leaves and the acorns, it's just a very, very messy situation on the lawn. We cannot currently have a lawn there because of the again just thousands of acorns and now
we're going to be looking at millions of leaves. So um we are requesting that uh the tree be removed. Thank you. So this was an administrative review. Usually administrative reviews are handled by staff for easy proposals.
Um Joe met the property owners on site and looked at the tree. It is located within the no disturb buffer zone of a vegetated wetland. And usually for tree removal requests within the no disturb buffer zone, the approvals are reserved for trees that are in actual hazards for
any of the structures on the home. And Joe and I have decided that this tree currently is not a hazard. It is also located on private property. So we you would have to obtain approval from the owners in order to cut the tree down. So, we Joe and I did approve for pruning
of dead branches and any branches less than four inches that hang over the property line. Um, but they he wanted to get confirmation from the board um because he was hoping to get an approval. Well, if I can just comment, I don't believe the removal of anything uh under
4 in is really going to make a no difference whatsoever. Most of the limbs are much bigger than 4 in. Um, so you know, the request is to get it cut down, but if
if you know that doesn't get approved, we'd at least like to have the limbs that overhang our property cut um in in their entirety, not just the 4 in restricted to the 4 in.
A couple questions for Britney. What would happen if he cut down the limbs on his side to that tree? >> What do you mean? >> What would the tree live? Would it >> I'm not an arborist, but um the tree is in a no disturb buffer zone to a vegetated wetland. Um it has not been
deemed a hazard hazardous tree by an arborist. It is a masting year, so I can tell you that this is the most acorns you'll ever see from that tree. Um so the oaks are masting. That means they produce much more acorns than they would in a regular year. And so those might be
annoying, but ideally that won't happen again in the near future. >> Annoying. It's a causes a lot of work trying to keep the lawn clean. And um my respect, you know, it's in a wetland, but you know, if you look at the
overhead view, I mean, there there are it's just full of trees. So, um I guess my comment is if this tree were to come down, I don't
believe I mean it's going to disturb the wetland because of all the other vegetation in the area. >> I will say that I have oak trees with lots of acorns on my property and just the year that it happened. It happened
in my other house before I moved here about 10 years ago and it's just part of nature. >> Go ahead. >> Um, couple questions. So, for clarity, when you say removal of the tree, is that uh down the removal of the roots or
what what is your proposed No, just down to the stump. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Um >> I mean, and that's another point I was going to make. I mean, the roots are certainly going right into our leechfield. Um, >> your septics's in the front. They're >> Yeah.
>> Septics's in the back. In fact, the branches are actually covering the leech field. >> Yeah. So, I mean, my concern is it's pretty absolute on why we don't, you know, recommend or if we allow the tree
removal to get sort of a ripple effect, you know, as far as the water and wildlife um erosion, etc. And my my major concern here is is a real serious concern is this would introduce a very
uh serious precedence. Anybody coming before the board say they want to cut down the tree because they want to you know they they don't like the acorns that that's we don't want to go down that road. Um you know the tree was there when you bought the property. The
I'm sure the plat was identified as a wetland. Um um I guess there's not a question in there, but >> we're actually led to believe we owned >> uh about 20 more feet behind our
property. Um because that's some previous owners. I don't know who, but someone maintained an area behind our property. It has it has been maintained. It's been mowed. It's been uh >> It does it has been maintained.
>> Does bring up memories. My my grandparents lived on Manandak Road in Western Mass and we all seven kids we'd have to go there and pick up the acorns and there that was our little job. She did gave us some I think some candy
anyway. So, >> well, I mean it causes a mess and as I said it's it's dirt and sand in the backyard hoping to trying to establish a lawn. I mean, um, >> I would be against any cutting down of
the tree. >> Well, then I propose that we maybe approve cutting the limbs. >> One of the background notes though, I think, is that in our work, we >> look at
what's good for the ecosystem. And you've bought that. You may have been misled, whatever, but you've bought it and you know that the tree was there and uh oaks are the biggest
well they >> supporter of wildlife >> supporters of wildlife by twice practically any other tree. So um I think that we have to look at uh how much of a cut does cover your
yard. I think that's a a problem for you. So, I would be maybe willing to allow some other kind of uh trimming back than what our normal standard would be, but uh I'd have to
hear something about it. >> Britney, what did you say you would discuss about um trimming the tr the branches that over >> Yeah, the approved pruning would be for dead branches and those less than 4 in. So, just like our regular pruning guidelines, if they wanted to do
anything additional, um I would recommend that a certified arborist has to submit a pruning plan. >> Didn't you say that this tree isn't even on the property? That's correct. People alone. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> So, I think from everybody, Paul,
>> yeah, I I I just have to chime in here. I think that Jack was right. you you bought this property next to a um a no disturb zone. You got a big tree. The oaks are so important. This what you see as a mess is an ecological miracle. And
um so you know I I would go along certainly with any trimming of anything less than 4 in or some arborist um recommendation but anything else I just couldn't I couldn't um go along with [Music]
>> uh yeah to to your point the everywhere else looks well vegetated in part because of the 35 foot no disturb zone um and the tree um from the aerial view looks like a very nice very healthy
mature canopy tree. um to everyone else's point that oaks are a one of the best pollinator uh benefit trees um that we have on the Cape and I would be
concerned about removing that entry in its entirety would open up quite a bit of understory um not just on your property but into the no disturb zone that I feel
uh Joe and Britney's determination of um >> the trimming of the the smaller branches is sound. >> Anybody else? Well, here you what do we do from here? Do we >> you should vote. >> Okay. So, we vote. So, I should hear a
motion to >> to either So, you have the administrative review in front of you that I signed. It would the motion would be to agree with it or make any good revisions, adjustments, amendments. >> I'm going to read um just so you know
again what the >> um it's denied under tree to remain located with no disturbed zone. Dead limbs of those less than 4 in diameter may be pruned if owner signs this application. >> Yeah. So you don't sorry you don't need
the owner signature unless the limbs are up. I'm >> sorry I can't >> I'll take the if owner signs because you you can do the pruning without their approval as long as they overhang your property. I'll take off that last part. >> So, um, do I have a motion to accept Britney's, um, administrative review?
>> So, moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor accepting Britney's? >> I >> I >> Okay. All right. So, um, where do we So, uh, at this point, who makes the decision of
what lens could be trimmed back? Um, so they have to meet these criteria. If you have any others, um, they haven't been approved by the board, but if you have like one or two that you want to discuss, you're not,
they're close. I can come meet the arborist who's going to do the work on site and review them. >> So, it would then be my responsibility to hire someone to do this work. Is that correct? >> Yes. because if they overhang your property, then you can trim them as
approved in the administrative review. I >> do recommend for for uh just to make sure your neighbor knows what you're doing just so there's no Yes. >> And who is the aubberist? Who? >> Yeah. Just let me know who's going to do
the work because you left that part blank. So once you hire someone, let me know who it is. >> I will do that. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, we don't have any minutes. So, the next thing on our agenda is other
business not reasonably anticipated. And I did write this letter. Um to the select board. I addressed the issue to the town. Um I believe personally that there are
there's only so much the water department can do with its who they have hired. You know what I mean? They have other jobs to do and I think the town through the select board need to be more aggressive in
uh stopping people from watering. Um something I mentioned one day here I think I counted at least 28 houses in my little walk around my neighborhood of water. The other day after the rainstorm there are still people watering and it's
time of year I don't think anybody needs to water but it's still going on. I observed I observed the um uh >> chamber of commerce >> the chamber of commerce watering at 6:30 in the morning when I was driving someplace. I have observed lots of
hotels on Route 28 watering not only watering but watering at noon of course the worst time to water. Why bother? U and I know many of you have said your neighbors. So I decided to write this letter and I can do two ways.
I can just write this letter as myself. But I thought since the conservation commission members felt uh the same way that I would do it as a conservation commission and I could sign it in your name. But I need to uh see what you guys
have to say. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I think it's a great letter, David. The the one thing just came to my mind that I think I'd like to add in one of your six provisions here is that the uh water pardon be called before the um
select board to discuss um this water ban and how they've attempted to enforce it. Um, and somehow, you I'd like to put something in about how they've neglected this um this responsibility, but you know, we don't
have to go there, but they seemingly have. Um, so all these points you make are are valid. I don't know if they're all doable, but but um you're certainly uh conveying the message that I agree with personally with the rest of the
board. >> I'm going to just go right down. Pat, you have anything to say? I completely agree with you. I think it's a good letter. >> Okay, Jack. >> Uh, well, as far as the letter is concerned, I would uh take a couple of
things out like the reference to the Chamber of Commerce. >> I was going to say that. Yeah, I agree. >> Um, >> I totally disagree with that. >> I think it's obvious. >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, go ahead. >> No, no. I was just Paul, what were you
saying? >> No, I'm sorry. Sorry, I kind of jumped in when I shouldn't have, but make a statement and I'll I'll respond after you're done. >> Um, I just think it bringing in the water department or anybody anybody on this is sort of like they're at fault or
whatever. We don't want to bring them in front of the select board as an example of something. That's just making enemies from my viewpoint. um and has been discussed is a little bit where the conservation commission is
extremely I'd just take that little part of it out from has been discussed and but I have a concern with taking this approach when we really have responsibilities of our own. Uh
we are actually in our authorizing legislation coordinators of watershed and other activities in the town and and it's not through the agencies but it's through the town and we have a
responsibility ourselves to um when we bring just like today's meeting the drought was mentioned a couple of times And we have a responsibility to be sure that the standards we meet accom
accommodate the impacts from the drought uh in the way that we handle the application of best management practices or of any of the things that we say somebody needs to do. So if there's a u
you know the pond itself a long pond is really low and you mentioned that and if that were to impact the uh type of approach and because somebody would say oh it's going to it's very low and we can do more things now we would have to
point out that no they can't but there I think are other hidden things that we are probably in the long run responsible for that uh we don't have time to get involved olved with or we don't have a staff and so forth. I mean ma land
management the way we management are we done a inventory of impacts on our lands but from the drought. I'm I could go on and on, but I just think that maybe
contacting the water department and and Dave says he has some, but um I'm just wondering if there's a different approach towards getting collaboration from if we could be the instigator of rather than going directly to the select
board and uh having them you know well David is I think a good point that they're the ones that should drive it. It's just a different approach I have to get them to try to drive it. That's all. >> Bradford,
>> um I think to your point I I guess um I I do think it should be coming from the select board. Um, I think sending a letter as
the conservation commission, I think gets to your point of being advocates for our land. Um, obviously our >> uh our conservation lands aren't >> aren't being watered. Um,
>> I I think it's okay to mention the the Chamber of Commerce. Maybe we could uh reword that sentence a little bit so it's less accusatory, but I think it's a good example that the town put forth a u
a water restriction that town owned property is also not following. Um so I I do think it's a good lead by example um moment. I do hesitate about bringing the water
department in front of the select board. I feel that it's it might come across as accusatory. Um, of course, if the select board wants to talk about it with the water department and if the water department, excuse me, wants to be
there, I I just don't think they should be dragged in front of it for something we don't necessarily know that they are neglecting. Um, it seems like it, but there might be more things going on that we're not aware of
or um that I don't, you know, as you said, I don't want to cause enemies in the town. That's that's not the point of this memo. Um, but I I do like the memo and I I think it's a a step in the direct right direction. I think we've
outlined some things that can be done to uh further educate our community that we are pulling examples from other towns on the Cape. Um so it's not something that we're necessarily doing novel um but
just trying to improve our own community. turn. >> Um I I I when we discussed this, I think the meeting before last, I think we all agreed that there was some urgency in this. So I commend you for writing this
letter and I I think it's it's very useful because if I was on the select board, um I would respond by saying, "Thank you. you've identified a problem and you've given me some suggestions and we will then we will then as a select
board talk to whoever we need to talk to. That's what they're for. Um other you know I think this is is very necessary. Um I think um I'm not a lawyer but I think um identifying the chamber of commerce or or isolating them
at this juncture um just brings just gets a little subjective. So I was just thinking that you could rephrase it. Um you you say we have observed our neighbors and businesses. Uh I don't know if you can add state offices or what the chamber of commerce
is but just simply say we have absor observed our neighbors and businesses ignoring the ban and even watering their lawns during and after storms including at noon time in just the second >> and then those two sentences.
Um you kind of kind of combine and then get rid of the chamber of commerce. Um, and uh, yeah, I think these are really viable suggestions and and again, if I was on the select board, I'd say thank you very much. And and we'll we'll take
it from here. >> Okay. >> I don't know if I'm overestimating the select board. Sorry. Where is that? I will um since I'm the person who wrote it and I I purposely left the water department out because I didn't want to
throw them under the bus. I felt that there are there are extenduating circumstances and what the water department can do with their amount of people they're working for the amount of work they do. I do think that while they drive around town, some of them might be
able to say, "Oh, look, that's obviously being watered." I mean, we were at one property I just mentioned tonight that we didn't see the water going, but we all said there's no doubt they're watering. Um, so I purposely kept them out. Um,
you know, I I put the Chamber of Commerce in because I wanted to show them how deep the issue goes that that that if the irony of our because not only is the Chamber of Commerce in that building, but the recck department and the and >> town owned property.
>> Yeah. >> So, I mean, >> you could just say that and town owned property. >> Town owned property. >> Yeah, I could say that. >> Okay. I was seeing town owned property walk watering. Sure. >> Neighbors and our neighbors commer businesses and town owned properties.
>> That's where the >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Environmental. >> Someone asked me what it is and I can tell. >> Yeah. >> Um >> well, especially if you suggest implementing fines or whatever because that would be interpreted as a strike one. You know what I mean? Like they'd
be ahead of the it'd be on the list. And I put these these six items down for the reason that you know they can talk it gives them something to talk about. You know, lets them say, "Well, we we can't uh turn off the water." Um, one of the
things the water department told me because I asked them, "Why can't you turn off the irrigation?" Is that many people have irrigation turn on off in their garage or it's locked. I know my irrigation can be locked. So if I didn't want the town to get in there, even though it's outside, it's accessible. I
could lock it instead. I never turned it on. So um but um so I wanted to give some some choices that they can edit. They can decide the point of the letter is to show them that there's it's not
being obs um the people in town are not um following recommendation. A lot of people town don't know. >> Exactly. A lot of people town think that, oh, we had rain the other day, so we don't have a drought anymore. They think that water goes spashing into the
into the aqueduct and makes its way to our our um wells within, you know, 10 minutes or something. And they they they aren't educated on how it all works. And not that they should have to be, but they should be educated on, you know, I like Paul's point a week ago when
someone said, "Oh, I have a well." And Paul said, "Where do you think that water comes from? Um, so I think people have to understand that this is a this this has the potential to be a crisis in the fact that if suddenly salt water
makes its way into our system, we're in big trouble. And uh we're talking about watering lawns. We're not talking about drinking water. We're not telling people they can't drink water, they can't take showers, or they can't do the crucial things. We're just saying to them, stop
watering your lawn. You can handwater your plants and keep them alive, but you water, you know, I think they're the rules are are reasonable. It's the uh action of making sure people uh follow the rules, but I can certainly
agree to change. Um we have observed our neighbors and businesses ignoring the ban and even watering lawns during and after storms, including at noon time. Um, and then, uh, one irony is seeing the town own property wandering its
grass. >> Well, I think that's a great change. >> Uh, I would still has has been discussed and I don't think you need that. That's just extra >> just as concerned.
>> Okay. How about >> extremely concerned with >> Okay, I can take that. So, conservation commission is extremely concerned with the lack of compliance. Okay. Um, are you done if you want me? >> Well, hopefully you're done. >> Well, no. I want to go into a little
deeper about what I see is a problem in Yarmouth is that uh really nobody owns water supply in the sense of a watershed in town. The rack group is pretty much spent all their effort, rightfully so,
on the uh putting producing the new wonderful system we're getting. The thing that's going to happen is that we're going to run out of money and uh the only fallback position we have is
the actually putting advanced treatment systems on homes. >> I I don't know where you get that we run out of money. That's >> after phase Well, I I'm predicting that there's going to be >> in your opinion we're going to run out
of money. And can I ask a Jack a question at this juncture? How does that have anything to do with watering the lawns? >> Well, because that's my approach is rather than going and and getting people uh for instance, why don't we in the
letter say we would love to work with the agencies to help them come up with ideas? >> I think we have done that by coming up with ideas. >> Okay. And then I think you know there's only so much the conservation commission a has time for and b has control over.
These are ideas that the selectman have control over not us. Paul. >> Yeah. You know with always due respect to everybody on the committee. I probably um suggested a more confrontational type of an approach to this than others. Um because I have
to tell you I'm tired of seeing this around my neighborhood and my community where next you know one one house has a scorched lawn and another one has a beautiful green um swath of grass. Okay,
because that person is ignoring a simple very common request by the town to not water your lawn. And I can't believe that they don't know this. Okay. I can't believe that the Chamber of Commerce doesn't know this. I can't believe that
the hotels don't know this. They just choose to ignore this request by a department in our town, which is the water department. On the part of the water department, I think they're very remiss in terms of their enforcement efforts. I think there are probably very
simple ways they can remind people, even falling short of finding anybody, say, "Hey, have a sign up. I saw signs in Chadam, you know, when I was down there. Um, there's a watering ban going on to remind people of this information. Um,
certainly if we had a nice paper would go in the paper. It's probably on online, but simple ways of water department employees. I don't know how many there are, but how about saying to them, look, take a half an hour, two hours, every single day, if you see
something like the building inspector sees a violation of building regulations, he gets out of his truck, he goes over and puts a cease and desist order on the house. Water department people could start just putting a reminder on people's houses. Hey, you
can't water now. Give me a call. I'll explain it. There are simple things that could be done and it's causing I think a certain amount of anxiety in the town when people see in their neighborhood some people just being very derelict in terms of this whole
responsibility. It's not right. It's not fair. It's not appropriate. So that's all I'm getting at in terms of um where I see this issue of a department or the town, you know, kind of not doing their job.
And I'm sorry if I get a little bit animated about this, but to me that's all it is. Let's come up with a simple solution. We don't have to, you know, get into a um uh a complicated
um you know uh um approach to this. And I know that some folks are are interested in that and that's the background, but that's not what I'm getting at. Let's just stop this simple thing. >> I said enough.
>> When this all came out started and I I would call the uh water department probably two times a week. I'd have a list on my phone of and I probably ended up calling in 50 and I bet you 47 of those 50 still water. And I kept saying,
"When are you sending out the letter?" And they said, "Oh, they're going out." And I when I left for San Diego in July 4th, they still hadn't gone out and it's it's easily a month. So I I agree with you, Paul. I think the water department could be more aggressive. They just
don't want to, for lack of a better term, throw them under the bus. Let let the selectman decide how to do this. And selectman come up with a solution. If the water department needs to hire a summer intern who goes around and only at six o'clock
in the morning or just telling, as you said, green grass and writes down and puts a little paper in their mailbox, then then that's a great way to do it, but that's up to the select board to decide that. >> Okay. Well, can I just say I appreciate
that information that you sent out letter or tried to get him to do that and I see that's critical to this. >> I'm not the only one who called. Britney mentioned someone she knows. >> I've talked to the water department. >> You called the woman and I used to joke. I said this is you know David the screw
the uh um talk again you know telling people telling you another list you know and the other thing is the water department can tell right away who is using more water than than than they would normally use they because I would
say you know such and such a street and should let me look oh yeah they're using much more water than they're obviously want so they can tell from their from their asks who's using more water, but or they can certainly double check it. You want to say one?
>> Yeah, I think um I I think it's very important in in fairness. No, I don't want to say it that way. Um it it it is difficult for somebody that doesn't have, you know, online access to our website or whatever um about what's going on. And I found it really
effective driving on 6A through Sandwich and Barnstable. no matter what's happening, they have those VMS, as you call them, electric electronic signs, the BMS signs, um variable message system, and those are really good. I mean, they're like they tell you now,
present day what's going on, and that would be the um the Department of Public uh I think that would be the Department of Public Works would put those signs out. >> Actually, we have a >> So, you you say it I mean, you could say electronic and put in parentheses VMS sign. But um
um I mean we want to prevent we want to focus on preventive as well as reactive like you you talk about the fines and everything as far as the react reactive but we still want to get the information out there but um to I think it was Jack's point about us and our role would
it be okay if if we say um the conservation commission um in our capacity as stewards of our watershed like you know somebody would read this and say well who are you but this is what we do and I think Jack was trying to say that this is what we do this is
what we care about instead of just saying we discussed it just you or do you know what I mean it gives it give it give us more oomph in our capacity as stewards of our watershed and d I don't know wetlands protection act that I mean you know what I mean like put some oomph
in in the letter um >> yeah So the conservation commission in their responsibilities for wetlands protection and environmental stewardship. >> Yeah, >> that's excellent.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Britney. >> Yeah, >> that's >> that that that Yes. >> Connection is really what was >> right. Exactly. That's what I got from your your comment. >> You have the other ones, Britney. >> What? >> Do you have the other sentence changes too? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I will say there is somebody in
town uh as an employee of the town who's in charge of um communications and publicity. Is that how to put it? >> We have a communications director. >> Yeah. Communications director who should be doing this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And uh so >> can I make another suggestion just as a from the perspective of persuasive writing? >> Yeah. We urge the town to provide the resources and support needed to take proactive measures for water conservation.
>> Okay, great. >> Excellent. >> Okay. >> You want to add something, Pat? >> I was saying about all our electronic signs there, they're probably being used for all the detours we've >> buy more. >> There was one sitting on the road to
Seagull Beach for two weeks without anything on it. Nice. It was one by the fire police station that said, "Drive carefully." You know, >> I was just thinking of the sign we've had over there about the festival, the seaside festival that's been up for weeks over there on the >> You could have a inexpensive whatever
that kind of sign >> made up and put there. People look at that because they're all going up and down. >> The sign in Paka River on 28th says beginning September 2nd, there'll be construction on 28th. So,
they haven't even updated the sign. And >> there's one of those signs, isn't there? In front of the old um police department down there, the recreation department. I think that there's a sign in front of the White High School. >> Oh, those signs. Yeah. Well, >> we are working on the Oh, we uh Britney
and Joe are working on getting signs. They I don't know where you're at with that, but >> um what kind of signs? Sorry, I was reading something when you said, >> "Oh, wow." Um, >> there's also those cheap little I got I think there, you know, I saw on when you
pull out of uh Sucket Road onto 6A, there's a sign about the um about the the hazardous waste um >> collection and it's there's some sort of reference to water on that and I'm not sure what it is. All >> think about all the people go to the
dump. >> Take the one from the dump. agree. I know that, but I'm not I'm not clear on what the what the organization is. >> Renew your sticker in April. >> It can't it can't cost a ton of money to purchase a bunch of signs that say water
restrictions in place. >> We'll reuse them every summer >> places in town. >> It's got to be real time. You know what I mean? That's why the BMS >> and I guess I'm wondering why because I see this group as a reflection of the community in many ways. um what we say, what we think about, what we what
concerns us. Many people out there are >> with us on that. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, if we're saying this, then there's probably a lot of other people in town are saying it. Maybe they don't they don't have this kind of access >> and so you just come on. You >> are a lot of other people because one of the select board members said it when he
or she opens has um open house or whatever. A lot of people come in and complain about it about how other neighbors and a lot of it is I hate to throw say this but a lot of people are a lot of our people who aren't down here all the time.
>> We are neighbors second home >> so they don't know because they don't get uh code red or any of those things and and some of them the bigger houses using >> I believe it that's why if they came home to a big red sign on their garage door they might see it and say what's
this? >> Yeah. you know, and know that they have to turn off their irrigation. >> So, I think we've got a new letter. So, why don't Britney will >> I mean, I think you guys can vote on your changes and you we can send an update to get the thumbs up, but you can
I think you can vote on it because you >> um you have points four, five, and six. Did you refer to the rules and the law on getting those or >> No, that's why I wrote if legal if it's legal course of action. Um would they can find them? I know that
I was I asked that. >> Yes, they can. >> They can do the daily fine. >> Yes. >> Whether that I honestly don't know whether they can turn off the water or not. >> Yes, they can. >> Okay, then that's what I wrote down if >> if it's a legal course of action. >> Yeah.
>> Or or desired. >> Well, that's up to the board. Select the select board. Would it be the equivalent of if there was a if if I I live in Boston and my house is down here in Yarmouth and I have a water leak >> and water starts pouring out of the
upstairs window. Does the does the water department have the right to come and shut the water off? Wouldn't the same thing apply to an unattended irrigation system? >> I don't know. >> Well, they can come in and shut up the water neighbor who had a broken pipe and
that's exactly what happened. How do most people find out about a drought? Um what do you think of the issue? >> Any word of mouth or if they don't? Right. >> So can we have a motion to accept the uh
revised letter that and sending uh do you want us to sending an email to us from Britney? Give a thumbs up. >> So moved. >> So moved. Second. Anybody? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Anybody opposed? Okay. Thank you for your help and for your editing.
>> Thank you. >> Oh, you thought I was going to say no, but did you? >> Is there anything else? >> Yeah, I have two quick items. Um, cleanup day scheduled November 1st. Sign up, tell your friends. And also on the
slackboard agenda for October 7th or October 21st, I've noticed they've included a potential discussion about pesticide forum. I have not been able to identify when they've discussed this in the past. I've watched some meetings, but um it's just something to be on the
lookout for. I will be watching for October 7th. I don't know exactly what they'll be discussing, but I think they might be leaning toward um adopting some sort of pesticide >> just adopted. >> Yeah, since Barnstable just did. >> So, um that's a good thing to have on
the radar if you want to participate in that discussion. Yeah. checked the agenda for the October 7th meeting to see if it's still up there. >> That pesticides or pesticides and herbicides? >> It did not. So, it's just on the look ahead schedule. It said pesticide form question mark. So, um I'm not exactly
sure what they intend to discuss yet. >> Okay. >> Okay. Anything else? No. >> Anybody else have anything? >> Can I hear a motion to adjurnn? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> Recording stopped. >> That was faster than us. Well, there you
go. >> Recording in progress. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay, thank you. We are done at 701.