good evening and welcome to the March 5th 2025 Yarmouth planning board meeting I am joran Crowley chair this is to formally advise that as required by Massachusetts general laws chapter 38 paragraphs 18 to2 in pursuant to chapter
20 of the acts of 2021 an act relative to extending certain state of emergency accommodations signed into law on June 16th 20 21 the Army planning board will hold a public meeting on March 5th 2025 at 5:30 p.m. the public is welcome to
attend in person this evening or via alternative Public Access provided on the notice of meeting available on the town website I'll begin by taking roll call Susan BR here deardra gaquin here will Rubenstein here Jim Sabin pres
Peter Slovak Ken Smith here Joanne Crowley present seeing that we have a quorum present I'll Now call the meeting to order and ask that we join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of
states to theis with liy and justice for all thank you Miss Tom's Ur the first item on our agenda this evening are uh relates to committee assignments the current listing of committee
assignments is in our packet we establish these generally in September of every year still will and we still will thank you Kathy um Bill Scott sent out a note today that Kathy has kindly made a copy of regarding the
library B building committee and mck uh I'd like to First review um in his memo his expectations on time commitments required for the library building committee for this new assignment and then with follow with a
discussion um on all assignments I think it would be best um as well to confirm our current assignments um Peter Slovac who is unable to join us this evening has expressed an interest in continuing his position on
cedc so if if I may uh we've been asked to assign someone to the library project and in our at our last meeting Kathy had included a memo uh from Bill Scott with regard to the plan for that committee
and it's rather aggressive um it's a note from uh Scott to Robert whitower and it has a calendar associated with and and in his note to me Mi Mr Scott wanted to make sure that we all understood this is going to be a very
aggressive timeline that will require a real commitment of time between now and the end of the year um this grant is funded by a project with a demanding schedule and a fixed budget he says so that if you look at you probably don't
have it with you but I do um the the Milestones on the screen yeah the Milestones is shown on the screen uh the building committee uh select board established it in February and now they are uh in the in the process of selecting
an AR architect RFP for the process in February and March the site selection February uh to April uh and schematics April to November it's a it's a it's a compressed very aggressive schedule and
it's driven by the state uh so I just wanted to make that make that very clear for those of you and there a couple I know members who are interested and maybe more um uh that this this is going to require Fair amount of time uh and
probably during the summer um so but what I'd like to do first is I would like to just I think we I think an approach might be to confirm our current assignments if you're if you would like to stay on where you are for for the
existing board members um I'd like to just I'd like to lock that in first I guess my only point would be is that the we're going to be doing the assignments in November but now that we have a new member I know that you doubled up on a couple yeah I have two so I think the idea was to relieve you a little bit of
one of yours and then put someone to the library planning and everyone else would stay where they are until September when we do our that's that's fine this is one of the reasons why um I talk to you before every single meeting Cathy and today for the first time in four years I
didn't blacker I'm filing taxes for old people reasonable excuse them circuit breakers and I bet none of you know what those are um anyway uh that's a good
idea Kathy so uh our existing list which I think I have here somewhere mad it's on the back of this it's also on the back of the first page of our I have I I am on community housing and CPA um and I don't know who else is on
two anyone else on two looks like three Jim is technically on um design Review Committee and then land disposition land disposition has been meeting very fre meet very frequently right Jim has have you gone to have you actually been to a
meeting originally yeah a long long time ago okay um so what I would like to for me what I would like to do is I would like to stay on CPA which means Dedra you would then pick up the my position
on community housing okay is that okay that that sounds good I don't really know what the demands are but I will learn well it's part of the mck um and uh it's um there's a there's there's
a ramp up in terms of understanding the the the business of H of housing affordable housing but Mary wagan is an expert um and we'll get you uh ramped up as soon as she can um just just so you know this is something that I will send
in the recommendation if it gets voted um this evening but I do believe they still want it to go to the select board to formally aote the appointments so they are meeting on March 17th even if you're not officially appointed you might want to attend uh and kind of get your feet wet and I can certainly um
talk with Mary about getting you some materials uh on all of the um madak Keys utilization stuff that's been done the housing uh group the housing team is ahead of the other group so they're actually starting to look at their three um ideas and then trying to move that
down to one idea so they're a little bit further along I'm gonna go over a little bit of that from our meeting at the end of the month yeah the other thing is they meet on Mondays Dedra uhuh 3 o'clock if I remember yeah so they're a Monday meeting 3 o'clock typically once
a month yeah but now with the muck it's been twice a month okay okay great okay all right um so for the other uh committee members um your current
assignments how does everybody feel about him we'll start with you feels good about his right now what's that well get where we are in time and space yeah time and space right now Madam chair capital budget is basically over for the year um we actually were in
front of the select board last night and gave our annual presentation to him which I believe was well received there was lot of thought and focus put into it Bill Scott did the presentation because Hy F was out sick um and did a very nice job presenting all the materials we
actually I think we're in front of the board for about an hour last night my comment to it and certainly can wait till the fall um but if we're going to if we're going to be reshuffling the deck I certainly would like to at least
put my hat in for a reshuffle okay um you know I think Capital budgets a hugely important committee to the town of Yarmouth my issue with it is this is that it's a very compress schedule in October and November to get ready as I think other people that have been on it
before many of the meetings are right in the middle of the work day I I still work full-time so to jump out of work to run to go look at a fir truck or a police car or have meetings in the middle of the afternoon just doesn't work well to my schedule to be candidate
with it um um so all I'll say right now is certainly I think it's a hugely important community of the town of Yarmouth but if there's an opportunity to shuffle the deck I'd least like to have that my card placed there for that okay now or in the future and September
sep yeah in in the future Jim yeah right now it's it's we won't meet again until until the fall we have one meeting scheduled for I believe it's June um because we are as a commune one of the things that we've asked is maybe we can relieve some of that pressure having
such a tight schedule in two months if we could get some of the capital planning a little earlier would help us get ready for the warrants for the fall town meeting and for spring so that is something that we presented last night it's not written into the charter so it
may be difficult at this point unless the charter gets Rewritten so that we see Capital numbers earlier um so that's a hope but not a promise so that's all and like I said I mean I think Sandy runs a great meeting and the committee
is wonderful my only issue with it is the time commitment that's you know that's not fair to my employer and not fair to the committee thank you Ken uh next on our list is Peter Slovak and as I mentioned he is uh uh willing to stay
on cedc um I am on community housing now and we'll go to the next couple of Mee there we do have two more meetings deardra so I'll try to bring you up to speed on those uh but deardra will be replacing me on that once
approved um as I mentioned I would like to stay on CPC uh next up Jim on design review you're good with that great um and Susan um is the drive-in utilization
committee gonna go away at some point it's going to go away I think we're like want to um we need to come up with the use policy we have an interim use policy when we didn't really have anything to um to offer and then also coming up with some type of fee fees associated with renting out the special event and then
we also need to start thinking about how is that those special events going to be run and who's going to run them um and that committee will be they they could they would provide I think some guidance on that okay um and then of course you know it would be nice to keep them in intact until the the oh yeah till the
till the ribbon cutting cut of course of course not everybody wants to okay um and then Jim lamb just Susan I'm sorry I apologize I jumped over given the fact that it is winding down um I would like to I had
expressed an interest to go to the library committee right um although there are some things remaining on the D I mean I could do two because this is sort of yeah what kind of parttime probably I mean I could do
driving but my primary a significant amount of and if there's any naming the library committee picking up that that vacancy in the library committee okay and uh now we're at um Mr Rubenstein hello here we go rack yes we're racking
along um I have quite an update later in this meeting um yeah I certainly intend to stay stay on the rack um and yes I'm also interested in the library building committee but there are many mechanisms in which to serve the town um especially
on this particular committee and it doesn't have to necessarily be me as the planning board appointee okay so um um it's I think between Susan and myself and deardra there's a lot of knowledge about Library stuff I'm using a
technical term yes it I think it would be interesting for me but I think it's better I was on the last Library planning committee and so uh it's good for a change I think I I I'll always help with the demographic
data I'll be there Jane knows that and you know so uh and and once once this this particular piece of the work is finished they'll be continuing so I think this is this is going to be a committee that's going to be around for
a while y yeah prob for I would say three to five years at the very least yeah so there's the opportunity for rotation every year and that's you know and and many of us have gone have done that and it's a good thing I think um so
uh we can revisit that so if I'm hearing you will you had mentioned that you were you were um interested in library but yeah but at the same time um literally there's other ways that members of the community can serve on that committee without being appointed by the planning board okay and secondly
um I am enjoying my work on on the rack and it doesn't sound like Susan has any interest in the rack which is fine at this time yeah I love the issue but right but I get it I live next door to John deliso so I always find out about what I see well I would also say uh
that's a committee that will be meeting well past the five years um and may very well atlast all of us um so there'll be an opportunity in the fall to have those discussions Madam chair um so I I I certainly understand where
Susan's coming from given the fact that we need to appoint somebody and Susan certainly has the talent and the bandwidth to do it um but I feel like I can also contribute to that Committee in other ways thank you and maybe at other times thank you so with that um we need a formal vote and a motion may I have a
motion to nominate uh Susan brda uh to the library building committee so moved have a second any discussion all in favor I okay that was easy thank
you thank you very Mark Mo all that okay next up uh CF is uh local comprehensive plan yes uh the review of the TW January 29th LCP community meeting notes as provided in
our packet and then just a general update from Kathy on uh where we are with the BSC group yeah I think um you all had in your packet the nice summary which gave a summary of the whole process but also a summary of the key themes that we can kind of talk about a
little bit but I would really encourage everyone to go into the details of the each of the of the notes they were very well done of each individual groups there was four in-person groups and two online groups um and there's a lot of really good information what I did really like seeing was that there was a
lot of similar ideas so there was a lot of thoughts that people like so it gives you an idea of whether you know it's a a a true group and consensus building uh idea or whether it's kind of a one-off idea um some some of the things with the themes had to do obviously the economy
we spent a lot of time talking about the economy and I'm really glad we concentrated on that because I think we got a lot of good ideas we are also getting some of that as part of the matak keys utiliz ation project we're hearing some of the same ideas again all good to be hearing some consistency in building that consensus um I think
everyone was really interested in and we keep talking about Village centers using Art Museum Recreation sporting venues really to you know enhance and focus on the offseason use I think we saw that with the muck with some type of indoor sporting complex or Convention Center
Entertainment um and then using some of the anchor locations that we have the Parker River Landing we have the witer Pirate Museum we're working with the Route 6A uh build a center and then of course um the inflatable park we have a lot of good things in town so kind of use those those anchor businesses and kind of go
off of them and also diversifying the public art uh golf courses maybe it can be more than just golf maybe there's some things that can been happen uh in the offseason with sledding I know people do that at Bass uh Rivers um and have some fun that way um and other things is identifying you know having a
community identity you know we have a lot of culture and history and environmental resources and types of things to really help uh tell the story of Yarmouth and the town of Yarmouth and I know that that's something that the selectboard was also very interested in having uh historic tourism so to speak
um looking at really and the other thing kind of came up was a lot of like improving our marketing you know having more promoting oursel more Pro promoting um the offseason and also promoting different things in the winter how can we advertise and bring people at all together so people are fully aware of all the different things that are going
on uh in town um facilitating public transportation between Loc ations there would talk of a trolley or different type of buses or a stretch golf cart I hadn't heard about that before but that's interesting uh to kind of like maybe a summer thing uh a nice cute little trolley or something to get
people around town um trying to get restaurants to stay open in the shoulder Seasons sometimes it's hard for us permanent residents to find a place uh to eat um and that certainly would be nice uh for everyone obviously people are interested in streamlining the permitting process for entertainment
they know that obtaining temporary entertainment license that's something that can happen now obviously that's what people do they they so that might be something that we can strike because that's something that's currently going on establishing an outdoor community swimming pool I had heard about an indoor one so an outdoor one was a
little bit new um to me um obviously lots of people talking about Redevelopment of the great Island Plaza and what can the town possibly do to be more proactive to see that that something happens there obviously we've always been talking about encouraging mixed use um and how can we make that
happen in town um you know really promoting that top of shop housing so we retain our commercial Corridor um also focusing on you know the public realm what the final roadway design is going to look like post sewering uh something that we want to make sure that uh that
that looks nice um focusing and then some of the people talking about different areas to focus um Redevelopment efforts mainly on Route 28 in the old Main Street North Main Street area the Four Corners as we refer to it uh at Higgins croll Road there in Barry Avenue that's that's another intersection that might have an
opportunity um trying to to incentivize things by establishing a tax um incent incl financing zon so people get a break on their taxes for a little while as their business gets going um and then also trying to attract businesses that offer different activities and
experiences um so you can come and have have like an entertainment destination location people had talked in my group about where would you go on a date you know have a place where you can go on a date have activities ping pong things that you could do uh like that um as well as different types of recreation
different talk uh conversations about uh aquaculture and agriculture ecotourism and the blue economy and different ways that we might be able to tap into that and then you know leveraging we obviously have Cape Cod Healthcare here how can we leverage that to draw complimentary businesses um for our
community um amending zoning I think there's going to be a lot of amending zoning things that come out of the LCP but I think they're to encourage attractive Frontage I'm assuming that means to improve the Aesthetics along route route 28 especially as sewers are coming along I really like the idea of marketing the community as being the
Homebase to explore Cape cot I thought that was really I mean we keep saying that we need to be promoting our our midc Cape uh location but I like the you know you could do a whole thing be you know let Yarmouth be your home base so you can explore the entire Cape easily from from Yarmouth you know so I thought
that was kind of a nice way of doing what's that is way ahead of us tagline is the heart of the cape yeah okay I like just home base sounds the heart has many chambers if I remember from sixth grade sixth grade biology class
Jim T sorry to interrupt home is a good idea if we stop promoting the baseball leag there you go oh yeah there you go somehow ta get the baseball league somehow identified with yoth and then use the home base idea that also right plus our name comes first in the name of
the team that's exactly right go so ha denn think Thea it might jimu said become known as like a recreation Mecca right so that with the home base it might be a nice tie yeah drive inside it was kind of interesting it might be a nice idea um
different land uses I think this is kind of talking about where people wanted to develop a lot of it was along Route 28 blighted properties vacant properties the great Island Plaza I think when they say old King's coffee house not that particular development because I think they've done a nice job but I think the West End of of of um y the other side of
the street yeah yeah right look look on the outside but that's that's also going to be caught up with that with the state when they start doing that that's gonna drive something either gonna drive people towards it or away from it Miss B I don't know
which um so obviously you know it's the Villa you know Yarmouth Port Village Center so we have a few edits here but um obviously the mes middle school property provides a huge opportunity for uh development and hopefully to meet a lot of our different needs and then
again as I mentioned the Four Corners housing you know be more welcoming to developers who are constructing multi family buildings um I actually think the staff does a really good job at that right now um we meet with people on a regular basis and provide information and review concept
plans for them and kind of walk them through the process quite frequently um expanding and promote incentives for businesses and Commercial Property Owners to incorporate housing um I think it's incentivized mixed use Maybe what we're kind of looking at there um addressing housing affordability
including creating more affordable dwelling units and working to align jobs and income with housing costs I think Susan's been saying that all along we need to increase the wages that we're paying to make uh that Gap a little bit less I'm not sure about evaluate the best uses for empty motels other than
like three near the inflatable park I'm not sure that there's really any empty motels in the town of Yarmouth anymore um but I think the idea is just trying to find different places for year round market rate housing and seasonal worker housing uh conduct education and be more outspoken regarding the need for more
housing units I think there's some people out in in the public this is my interpretation that don't oh we're we're fine we got enough housing we don't really need housing I think we need to talk about who who Who's the people that need the housing and how does that affect all of us it doesn't just affect the people who can't find the housing it's going to really start affecting all
of us when we can't have any any workers or or businesses or be able to go to the grocery store um consider how to increase housing on bak and that was something that someone mentioned uh in my group um if we don't want to have the housing on Route 28
where're might be able to do it the parallel road so to speak of Buck Island maybe there's some other ways that's pretty pretty heavily developed already with Condominiums through an Open Space Village Development so I'm not sure that there's much opportunity um for that other than as they mentioned allowing taller buildings Provide support and
incentives for veterans homeowners and seniors Aging in place I think that's something that the community housing committee and the affordable housing Trust are certainly uh discussing and talking about also as part of the the mck U partner with Habitat for Humanity um they do a great job um they're going to be doing the project across the
street and they did seven units on Virginia Street so they they do a great job and they and they have the whole mechanism in place to go through a 40b they know how to do everything so it's really it's nice to work with them because they have a good group of professionals um increase housing
programming to provide uh life cycle housing so you kind of go an age in place um in a bunch of different variety of housing someone had mentioned co-housing where you might have smaller units with some shared amenities like a community room um and then also looking at encouraging construction of more
single smaller single family dwellings adus and tiny homes and then the other thing was about increasing the the knowledge and access to available social services and Assistance programs I think the idea was there's a lot out there is it all in one particular location can people readily
understand where where to get it consider the environmental impacts of additional housing that's the other thing that some people even sent some emails to me as we keep talking about more and more housing how's that impacting our infrastructure um and where is it going is it going to be causing adverse environmental impacts so all good things
to think about limit the number of short-term rentals in the community again we are doing that short-term rental study through the with the affordable housing trust and community housing committee so estimated data of when that study will be completed I think it's going to be like October yep there I think they're looking at a
six-month process there yeah I believe it's his Fall Jim yeah there there was a meeting on that right cath we had a kickoff meeting and we actually have another meeting on Monday to kind of um talk about they're going to be looking at different uh groups to interview uh and get some additional information from
town staff and that type of thing that's where they're kind of starting uh I think the people are always trying to incentivize uh yearr round housing in some particular way whether it's market rate or for Workforce housing um Implement local preference for housing waiting lists to
allow Yarmouth residents to remain at the top of the list and Coastal resiliency and sustainability um getting rid of you know obviously reducing asphalt returning some coastal areas to naturalized spaces what I've kind of refer to as undevelopment I'm talking enough into
that um Kathy can I just ask a question before we move off housing um has um Mark received a lot of I was trying to figure out how the Adu rewrite is going to imp fact
it if it would have the opportunity of course to increase housing has do you know if Mark has received a lot of inquiries or been getting more and more inquiries yep yes he so that will impact um the whole affordable housing
discussion because that's going to be that's a that's a there's not much regul there's not a lot of problems associated with getting an Adu in other words if you own so that is mar factoring that into the conversation about housing the I think the housing production plan
assumed a certain number of additional units that would be created by adus they wouldn't necessarily be capital A affordable but they would provide additional hous right like I'm thinking of the seniors because that that was one of the you know U protected groups that we talked about the our original zonings
was U affordable and seniors and that's a huge that's a huge group so I'm I'm just wonder how all that Adu rewrite factors into our whole housing discussion um because it's not it should have a positive effect on things like seniors um and people are seniors that
live in the main house and they want to have healthcare worker live in the in the small Adu because I do think it's going to be a significant piece now of our housing discussion is going to be the potential for adus and the only way you can gauge that potential has Bach
received a lot of he has people have been coming and they they seem to be under the impression that it there's no regulations now but there are regulations until the other ones to it is it is it generally like for seniors
or is it just for rental properties does he have any idea what the profile is of what those that are asking for an Adu permit I didn't ask him that um but I do know that he's been having lots of conversations about it and we touched base with it he had someone he was working with um this morning who wanted
to build a garage and in an apartment above then sell their house and then afford to build the main thing I think the concern that that I have and I want to talk to Town Council how we can make sure this doesn't happen is you know if you have an accessor an Adu on your property you shouldn't be able to then
rent out your home as a short-term rental because then there'll be people who okay I own this house I'm going to live in this and then I'm going to rent it up so you're not solving the problem you've doubled your density but you haven't solved the problem and that's that's my concern about all of this is
they they're they're rushing forward with all these different easing up of regulations but make sure that you're just not telling up the numbers oh we had 20 adus it's is it solving the problem and I think the way to get around that is through our short-term rental bylaw of saying if you have an an
Adu you're not renting out you can't have a short-term rental on your property and it would be interesting to hear from our friends at the zoning board because I'm sure they would as they're considering these Adu applications want to be considering them though cuz it's not it's it's not a special permit anymore right oh right oh
yeah well the I got to stop this old way of thinking friends know sorry logical way of thinking well Susan you know we had a process and unfortunately we got overruled the use that's allowed as of right so if there's other things that they need relief on if they're non-conforming with regard to their
setbacks of a proposed expansion that still would need to get a special permit but the use itself is protected thank you for the clarification yeah I know I thought the same thing I said to I said something to D about you keeping track of that she's like what are you talking about so just to clarify is that mean in theory could Mark go to the zoning board
and say gosh yes it's by right but this is not where's it in other words where does that where does that issue that you're bringing up which is completely unintended but needs to be figured out where does that live where does that conversation live and how does it get corrected and What mechanisms and
whatp mechanisms sometimes people actually meet with Mark and talk about it that's why one of the he's such a busy guy um and then he will direct them saying Oh what you're proposing is triggering this type of special permit not for the use or even if someone says oh I'm fine and they submit an application then they might say oh no
you need to go to the zoning board of appeals first in order to get relief for that so thank you I I know this is I'm digressing a little bit but what information does Mark capture when they come in will does do we capture information on who the occupant of the
Adu will be no all we can all we know is who the owners are we do know or do we even know we must asking for it as opposed to who's in it to for him to issue a building permit be issue to the owner that's right so we would know who the owner is
but we don't know the use we don't know the intention that they have yeah except that now there's more corporate creep thanks to the state changes unless I misremembered so I if I'm connecting some of your thoughts Madam chair yeah I mean from our point of view we we would
want those adus to address lack of housing not short-term rentals not anything other than that was our initial intent behind us exactly right mention the 24 months worth of work you keep adding months to it it'll be 36 months it was 18 now was
24 24 months it seemed like forever right there you go you walk uphill to school and home law of unintended consequences where they've opened P BOS and now they can't figure out how to control because it sounds like thanks to Mark and his very busy schedule but and also
air traffic control work he's able to acknowledge what the state has done and at the same time keep some of our local interests in heart at heart and in mind thanks to you and Cath him and Kathy it's a CMR just like the building code is and I think he's used to
administering those the the the tricky part becomes what part of our bylaw can we still keep people um from doing do we not we restrict the adus from being used as a short-term rental the adus can't be a short-term
rental but that doesn't mean that you don't go and you live in the Adu or somebody the Adu as far as I'm concerned if the owner lives in Unit A whether it's the studio apartment or the four-bedroom
house whatever unit the owner lives in that's the primary that's interesting yes and then so then they can't rent out the house that's how I would view it but you know but the owner doesn't need to live there on friends at the state that's right now they don't it could be it could be you know the the Ral the
postcard company that sends something to me once a month cash for your house yep we bu yes we all need to talk into our mics please Madam shair I apologize for the digression but it did come up oh no and it's an ongoing conversation that may
have been later in the agenda but I feel like we did yeah no was worthy worth the you know as Kathy pointed out lack of definition from what the state handed us and the lack of very specific guidance it's the Wild Wild West now whatever interpretation you want to take and
that's going to be really hard for Mark and really hard for the zoning because every application could be different and that's why right now there's a lawsuit I think it's Needum one of the towns around Boston is suing the state for that exact reason because there is a lack of definition of the Town said no
we're not going to stand for this so I I don't remember the town I think it's need them but I'm not positive but I do know there's a suit against the state from one pointed out to someone I don't know if it was a Town Council or someone from the state that they they expanded the interpretation of
what was it Adu uh you said oh boy you really like with what you've written youve really changed the definition I think what they defined a bus station but they paddle back on that and then what they considered to be single family zoning it was basically everywhere yeah uh and they paddled back on that so they
they did we did get some wins I think the biggest loss between the draft and the final was no minimum lot size right so Yeahs is it fair to say Kathy that that you and Mark are also in a conversation
with Town Council on an ongoing basis about how we're going to execute the state's wishes yeah it's one of those things that we need to coordinate on Mark obviously he's already redlined some stuff so that he's kind of that's kind of how he's interpreting it but yeah we need to sit down and go through
it I'm a little behind on the LCP so I've been working on that um but yeah that's definitely something we need to get to that's number two on the big list um of getting to for sure please let the record show Madam chair I'm not asking the town planner to do more work in place of her important work for the
local comprehensive plan but it is these things are happening in real time and yet another example of how our friends in Boston don't necessarily uh think in the timeline that is actually executable and I don't even know if I'm using that word correctly thank you and didn't we at one point maybe and this was during
the Adu discussion didn't we talk about having like a joint meeting with zoning at one point we had one that's what that we have one upstairs we since the would that be worthwhile at this point to have another meeting with zoning to see how going there they won't
be going there that's right exactly only for exceptions real exceptions yeah I think the real key here is Mark and I sitting down coming up with what we think and then having a meeting with Town Council and see if what we think can stay in and not being unreasonable regulation um and getting his
confirmation he indicated there was something from the town coun from Town Council highlighting that this had been issued but also that they had some concerns about enforcement of some of this stuff that still wasn't clear um and and how and again it might be case law that ultimately determines some of
these things Madam chair is it worth having a meeting with Mark at some point oh definitely yeah understand his interpretation yes yes what I'd like to do is meet with him come up with the red lines and then when we have him come to a meeting and maybe even Town Council come to a meeting and explain all this stuff that' be wonderful and also I
think one of the natural questions might be Madam chair and I promise we can stop talking about this and we can continue on with the LCP um I think then we'd have to connect some of the dots about whether we need to make some changes to our zoning bylaws and whether or not Which special town meeting or regular
town meeting we need to start aiming for and then build a timeline that Works backward it's I would like to have something for fall town meeting I don't want to keep it going what it's going to end up being is it's going to end up being you follow this CMR with these exceptions okay so I don't think it's going to be as
complicated as as it is but it's just digging into the details and writing it down and and getting while we're in the middle of very important LCP work which I also want to have on the fall Town boy all right Madam chair I promise I'll stop talking so important work um so we did get some
more additional information on Coastal resiliency and then also like sustainability uh I think we had talked a little bit about protecting critical infrastructure we have done that town assessment of vulnerable infrastructure uh limit Construction in sensitive areas such as flood zones wetlands and dunes
we obviously have regulations in place for wetlands and dunes and we have performance standards now for work in flood zones uh prohibit or limit armoring of the shoreline I don't think armoring really is even allowed by D anymore but the point's well taken um because you just pushing the problem
further down the line regulate the use of fertilizers and daily watering I think a lot of people are understanding that maybe we need to go back to our Cape Cod style Lawns and not have these perfectly manicured Lawns um making sure that we're investing in our infrastructure and maintaining that infrastructure increase routine dredging
and use the materials for Beach nourishment I think that's something that we are actively working on now uh since we received our 10-year permit in 2023 and then we're also actively working on um with the town of Dennis with the seport economic Grant Grant of uh The Dredge permitting for the North
End of the bass Rivers which I don't think has ever been dredged so that'll take five years to get that um encourage additional electric vehicle charging stations there's really not that many in town uh Ed increase
education awareness regarding sustainability practices Alternative Energy options and incentives um again more education with regard to fertilizers and other chemicals uh look at additional solar uh Energy Systems and solar panels I think one of the things we've been talking about is we
need to have some type of regulations at least with regard to solar canopies over parking lots and making sure that that's not being in front of all of our spent all this time making these buildings beautiful but if you're pre-existing condition of a parking lot in the front you put solar pan uh canopies over it it's kind of defeating the purpose of
the of the Aesthetics that we're looking for especially on on Route 28 but to the side and the rear it might be a very good uh a good option as well as building mounted um solar uh eliminate clear cutting of lots for new development um looking at reusing
existing structures and encourage encouraging adaptive reuse I think that's good if the building is sustainable but maybe buildings such as the m m kees Middle School really isn't something that you uh can adaptively reuse um looking for additional um
education for Yarmouth residents and Property Owners regarding flood insurance uh and upgrading the town storm water infrastructure and promote energy aggregation and similar incentives I didn't know what energy aggregation meant it's like when you kind of all go in and and buy energy
together I was unfamiliar with that um I have been reaching out to the energy committee because trying to meet with them I haven't really heard back from them they're a little I think they lost some members obviously Joyce was a major uh driving force on the energy committee um so hopefully we can get some
additional information from them and then that's just talking you know each individual group had their summary which I did find to be um it's definitely worth going through very good nuggets of information in there so what I'm doing now is I'm taking all of the different interviews there's some additional information that uh I'm going to be
providing to you I heard got some additional information from Lori rosala on our water system uh I five some summary notes from the recycling Solid Waste committee I have some comments from historical uh I'm also looking um I met with the health director on Friday I'll summarize some of those notes so
I've been taking all of the information from all these different sources and I'm kind of working on um identifying some of the action items that we might come I think we're getting a very very clear understanding of the issues now we just need to start talking about the some of the solutions um so hopefully that's something I can work with BSC group on
and other Town staff because I want to get their Buy in and and input on that and then maybe we can be something that we can present um at the first meeting in April to kind of give you guys to start thinking about some some ideas for some action items we're doing a lot already and a lot of the action items are going to be complete complete this
complete this complete this you know because we are working on a lot of a lot of really good things in the town of Y I think even BSC group is kind of surprised they work with a bunch of different communities about all the things that we are actually doing here in the town of Yarmouth Kathy with regard to the housing element of this I
thought it one point the housing production plan I know is Affordable mostly related to Affordable um how are we going to incorporate that document into the plan and
segregate out those things that might be not affordable yeah I think there's affordable housing and then there's just community housing so I think we're going to have to have some type of of summary of the housing production plan but we're going to still have the Housing section
with the goals and then we can add on to the goals to kind of promote different types of community housing okay um and I presume there's some consistency there oh yeah yeah um and some also since at one of our more recent meetings um the cap cut commission has their
Regional Housing yeah strategies um that you know is another layer that I presume we need to um have take a look at and make sure that we're um I mean that one in particular seems to have a lot of
work has been done I mean the housing production plan has got a ton of action items in it um and uh I I'm just you know I'm just wondering how how the integration of all of these things happen in the Housing section of the
plan still working on come together I've gotten through the natural systems the built systems and now I'm working on the Community Systems and those are the biggest ones because it's economy it's housing you know there's a lot of big big stuff in that
one so um that's probably but this this information was excellent with regard to the economy I thought it was a lot of good information and again like I said all the stuff that we were learning from people about the muck uh process getting some good information there too and when when do you think might be a good time
for us to think about updating the select board oh that's a good point um if I recall they wanted yeah keep keep they want it to be kept in the loop so think about that let me talk to B group about it Y when you think of a
point in time when documents are at a position where um we could do it I mean I know they're very busy now planning for annual town meeting their calendar is Dr would be after that y probably after the election might have different select
board oh that's true too that's I don't know who up election do we have a date for the an town meeting yeah it's at the end of April 29th I believe 29th Jim makes a good point M chair because then it also then gives the new newly constituted select board the idea that
they can start working backward from fall toown meeting which is where we're going to be front and center so it does give them the four or five months heads up from May so after the election that was a good point though um about when I'll have to take a look and see when we
were I know that we had kind of paced that out already of when we were going to meet with them I think we're in a good in good position now we could certainly meet with them at any time and kind of just summarize the data that we've collected together which is really the key issues that have been
identified um well you you think about it it's a good yeah thank you for bringing it up because I had we're going to have to do it again probably in the summer I mean I'm thinking we we'll be doing it not quarterly but maybe yeah between now and December at least a couple of times oh yeah literally we're
going to have to go back in September Madam chair if it's going to be on Fall town meeting right oh yeah it's also a formal public hearing that needs to be held on the entire we've got a lot of work to do um but I I I just I I want to stay ahead of them yeah that's yeah you want
we want to tell we want to ask them to meet with them not them say why aren't you meeting with us agreed thank you I agreed once again thank you thank you that is the theme of tonight's meeting so I you know I'm sure you've all read it I think it's very very good
document um like I say I had a few spelling things that I'm going to suggest that they edit um and put it on our I know they already have it on the Hub but maybe they can update it and put it on the Hub there's also the presentation that's in there that had the the questions um inserted in there
as well so it's all good so you're going to go back and and make some editorial very minor nothing C Road Spell correctly Yarmouth Port oh I wasn't even gonna bring that up but if you're gonna make sure your call Park okay and it's you know you
know it's South Sea a you know not SE Street there's things that you don't know when you're yeah it's like common knowledge to us but so minor things but I didn't yeah everything else was was pretty good but again the details the devil's in the details so they have a lot of good information I'm interested in this
destination International in Washington DC it's interesting you should you should look it up um Google it John Parks was in our group and he he's a he's actually offered to provide some guidance he actually does um I think tourism marketing as a profession um so
that's something that maybe I think he might be meeting with the cedc or being invited there to have have a conversation so there was a lot of new people that I hadn't seen before that that's great I I was filled by the the the turnout for the actually meeting we
have 50 60 people I think we had 50 or 60 here in the room and then there's like 40 people online from the land of Zoom I would say I saw a lot of people that I've not necessarily engaged with before certainly directly so that was exciting as well online
yeah so in spite of them saying that we don't get the word out apparently we got the word out a lot of work yeah next up on our agenda uh update on the mes utilization committee I think maybe the first thing
is to to continue with Bill Scott's uh email that got sent to you you also have a a copy here um there was a letter from the school superintendent kind of talking about the process for Emmy small and just basically saying that they're not going to be um beginning their feasibility study it looks like until
January of 2026 so that they're go recommending that we block off an area of 6 to8 Acres when looking at um development other development so that they could have a school there uh should it become necessary Madam chair I I met
informally with both Kathy and Mr Scott separately this morning because I was having a little muck guilt because um as you may recall these teams were formed right before New Year's I believe and obviously at that
point the state building authority came down from the mountain with the tablets and and so that changed our little education subgroup and certainly just literally in terms of the timing of what work could or should we actually do in
light of the fact that the state build the school building authority has its own very well- defined schedule that will also include a SP special town meeting vote speaking of special town meeting votes so Mr Scott decided to you know write what I was word worried about
was that we I had missed something or we weren't doing enough from that particular team and the truth is as we've discussed there isn't anything we can do um formally in the muck process because of the school building authorities timeline however there is going to be at least it sounds like a
small set aside as one of the three options or maybe four options at the end of the muck process to include an educational use and again all with the understanding that the school building authority and the school building committee may come up with a different outcome that doesn't even involve the mes property at all for an educational
use going forward sorry for the long-winded way but I want to just connect those dots as the person who is assigned and volunteered for the educational McKing about which I have done none of thank you um the the other committee that hasn't met and done
anything is the municipal Services team and Bill talks about that they've been holding back until they heard from all the other teams to kind of determine you know whether there's any Synergy between the groups um and now that they've heard back from the teams um they're going to having a mck brainstorming session in
the next two weeks with regard to Municipal Services I'm assuming you would be contacted directly uh as part of that um by by Bill Scott and they're going to basically be leaving it at the brainstorming session because it's related to um Municipal uses which kind
of is governed by what the select board wants to do um I don't know you want to go to individual I just want to make sure to point out that the recreation group is meeting next Wednesday at six o'clock
for their second meeting and then the community housing committee is meeting on March 17th um that would be their their third mukar around meeting right I assume everyone will be dressed in green for that for that meeting Madam chair especially me especially especially you
um maybe maybe I was going to do this at committee updates but um the housing committee did meet with um the afford Housing Trust on February 24th and it was our second meeting and they the Consultants Barrett um helped
col uh kind of colle collect all of the information from the first meeting and uh probably not the right word lump it but kind of get ideas common ideas together and to um a limited number of
ideas and we actually did go around and vote um we don't have the result I haven't seen any results on how that came out but I'm sure meeting minutes will have it but what they what they the ideas that we um came together for
influencing site design was the main one was housing diversity uh and it included you know a a lot of different ideas um buildings with a fewer units
um uh they had POA and ha and habitat team proposals the governor Prince site in Orleans is an example of one that's that's pretty nifty it's got different kinds of housing different sizes um so
that it's like it's a subd development of a development with each having its own little character so that was an example of the housing diversity um the other one uh that we they went through were housing for Veterans um there are
several uh there are several groups that the there's the housing in Dennis that was uh put together by the cap and Islands veterans Outreach uh uh Council as an example um there was some some
thought about the ReUse of the current building uh we had a fair amount of discussion about maybe salvaging the gym and the auditorium and the I'm not sure what that other room is in building e called the music music It's the Music
behind music yeah um and if there was some way to perhaps Salvage those because they may be in better condition than the school they they do have I believe their own HVAC system because they they're no they don't I don't
believe they do okay uh that was the the the other thing we did talk about was um the report um and and whether or not there's a way that they the report that came out on the condition of the building we talked about this last time that's finalized
correct um it is but they looked at systems right they didn't look at buildings A through e right um and I'm not sure that we're going to get anything there um then there was cluster housing uh combined with protecting
undisturbed land so this was one where we want to have some density but more open space associated with it um there was discussion about uh um how we re how we um maybe have a better
relationship with the Housing Authority um and there was some fair amount of discussion about there is an RFP that's in process for the Forest Road site and
uh may be having discussions with the housing authority to uh leave that open and have the Housing Authority pick up a portion of the of the housing segment at at MES that looked like it had a whole bunch of
legal issues associated with it but it was an idea it was an idea um a u habitat partnership like get get on board get on board with habitat and let him run with it um and then um single
family homes smaller smaller single family homes with adus um there's a um Maron Mills school reuse um currently underway and that's their plan uh to have not many
homes but smaller single homes with um adus uh built with them and then single family ownership have have single families there um uh we also talked about um senior housing
uh and then mixed use was uh one of the uh one of the other categories people talked about you know having it be more um the combination with commercial and uh and residential um and
then um keep it as an educational use uh somehow um if the if the school committee and the School Board needs more space encourage some form of educational didn't necessarily need to
be a grammar school um uh but keep it as some kind so those were the ideas um and some of them fell off the table um in terms of the voting and discussion about it but um at our next
meeting uh we'll see what the what the the the final three are we we did meet staff met with Barrett planning and they did do like a little Matrix so you know they asked them to vote one two three so your first
choice got three points two points one point and they did and obviously the mixed housing types was the number one thing by significant yeah so just a lot of different opportunities there and then the different people who might use them whether they're veterans Municipal
Employees or seniors or affordable all of that can be integrated into these different housing types in different ways it was it was an interesting meeting um the affordable housing Trust of course has Robert written written hour on it Mark
Forest um so we had uh you know members of the Town Administration and the select board as part of the team so uh and Bill Scott was there to assist us so we'll see where we come out at our next meeting so that's my my my piece I we
and we are the furthest ahead I believe yes of of all the Committees one meeting ahead of everybody else um anything else on on mck no okay yeah Madam should you want me to update on May yeah oh yes yeah um we had our open space meeting
which was last week uh it was I was there you were there forg I know that time and no it's okay it's fine and it was a pretty spirited meeting it really was I pretty did a nice job trying to keep it rained
in um there was certainly some stuff that was a little bit eye opening to the site one being um tar Pond which is behind the school um is it a Vernal pool or is it just a pond um and that has to be determined because it does have some
setback requirements if it is a Vernal pool because of the new that's right because of the new regulations exactly right so there was discussion about that there was also discussion that the M School site right now as is currently constituted a very small portion of it
is within the setback of what is of the wellfield setback it won't affect any type of Redevelopment but it certainly was just something that was brought up in discussion there was a lot of discussion about you know passive Redevelopment of it meaning basically
make it open space um or active Redevelopment whether it become you know athletic fields or some other whether it's housing or what um so we is one of the points was the open space committee has basically gone last of all the
active committees that have met and part of that is you know we discussed was to really kind of hear what every all the other committees say is how can the open space be incorporated into anyone else's plan and that's really the goal of it is
how can we actively incorporate keeping some open space on that site and you know not turning into a weat field as I commented um but have it be appropriate development but also taking into consideration that there should be some
appropriate open space so it was a good meeting we're meeting again mid April um which is after most of the other committees meet um for that SP you know and if we need every third meeting we will yeah I think one of the things that they were interested in is doing whatever you can to protect the
resources out there obviously there's some different core habitat all of that blue that you saw so it wasn't just protecting the the individual Wetland areas and the buffers to that but maybe even some habitat in that particular area exactly um so I think it there's a certainly ability to accommodate all of
the different things uh and and protect the the resources that are out there it is what we talking 70 or 80 acres 70 it is a big piece a very large pce of land but when you look at the 70 Acres there's a lot of it that's already restricted because Etc it right but when
you boil it down it's probably more like 50 something it was I believe CU he uh Britney did run a map on that I believe if me memory serves me correct me I'm wrong not counting any small it was 38 acres of developable land it can be
developed that could be developed significantly and that doesn't include the part of front yeah I think that was the I think she did a calculation of what was already Disturbed that's right exactly right that's what it was like see M Margaret e maltz turned
into housing you got the individual if you look at it it from the it's a circle M you know all little two room pods if you will they would make great little apartments you whole little you got a gym in a cafeteria there already it was
mentioned in the first Recreation committee meeting that that might be a good place for like if you had tournaments there um for dormitories for like the the players could stay there the parents could stay at a hotel and then they'd have like the little coach well I don't know what they do I'm not familiar with the tournaments but that
was one the things that was mentioned maybe having that be dormitories for that uh and then maybe even dormitories for seasonal employee housing it's amazing the different recreational opportunities that so I was in DC a couple weeks ago and I went to
meet a friend for dinner and when I walked in there were a zillion little girls running around over a thousand teams of cheerleaders were there for a convention a thousand teams and each
chilling team had 8 10 kids on them and and imagine you could bring a whole event oh yeah to the town with those types of things and hopefully I never even thought about cheerleading until I walked in like what the heck is going on
here big and hopefully the muck will I assume will keep an open mind about the gym and the auditorium because what you know huge credit to our Recreation Department who is getting I would imagine I don't imagine I know pretty much every available minute for that gym
space to be used it's right now it's being used right now that's what I mean so two gyms because you look at the one at Margaret small and well right but absolutely but it'll be interesting to see as the muck continues to muck around about where the recommendations come
down in terms of the main building and all the different letters that I can't remember and then the auditorium and the gym itself not withstanding some HVAC concerns certainly is a vital part of the town's Recreation program and if all of a sudden that gym is offline because
of insert reason here that the ripple effect of that has to be accounted for um and maybe that includes the Redevelopment of the land as a recreational use with even more gym space than what is currently there net net but in the short term of 24 months
the town will be without a pretty significant piece of their Recreation program and then the children will run a muck I see what you did there Jim but again that is part of the Muk meeting never get old anything else on Muk okay uh may I
have a motion to accept the minutes of February 19th in here yeah Second Great any discussion did you second who second all in favor I abstained
committee updates I gave mine on not M CHC um very end very end the last thing okay yeah got it Madam chair I have an update from the rack and Kathy if you wouldn't mind if you could do uh if there's anything more on short-term rentals meeting that you
wanted to share with us no okay good thank you for that yes okay uh the Water Resource advisory committee LA water Resort yeah that um water race water it's all water the word water was
involved um we we met on Monday a couple of days ago um some interesting news not none of it terribly surprising but mostly good um we'll start at the the new facility uh two things the
contractor has mobilized there is work happening so basically the sewer plant's under construction everybody there you go that's headline number one okay um the second part has to do with what to do with the fact that the state only gave us a permit for 370,000 gallons
when we all know that for phase one we need a million n so there's a little Gap there uh say um and the good news is as has happened for several months now is that our town officials and D are have a working group and they continue to meet
and there's been progress at Bayberry to the point where they've now the state has now signed off and they're now doing test samples and boring Wells or boring samples and test Wells I might have swapped that my bad but um that work is happening so as to do two things right
one is to capture a lot of the water that can't be captured but number two is to help the golf course stay irrigated yeah in places maybe that don't even get any or don't get enough irrigation so let's just say there's a lot of coordinating going on and a lot of possibility to then deal with the fact
that when we get phase one finally up and running and hooked up we're going to need a place for about a million and a half gallons to go if everybody's hooked up and flushing toilets and taking showers yes Jim you're making a face if we're having a problem finding a
place to discharge why have we uh not considered or maybe we have considered you know I go to Florida and and they take the gray water and put it back on everybody's lawn spread out across the the whole town so how come we didn't look Jimmy
that's a that's a great idea y unfortunately the state of Massachusetts is not allowed at the present time that's why we don't do it it's it's a state makes sense it's I I can't answer that it's a state restriction interesting it is not allowable in the state of Massachusetts like that is it you
allowed to use gray water it's irrigation water in state of Massachusetts gray water you need you need another pipe you need another pip it's a double pipe should we stop everything we're doing and start putting in a second I'm I'm I'm seeing that they clearly they've got
an issue with trying to find what to do with the gry water and yeah that would have been a simple solution I'm glad Ken I'm glad Ken knew the answer right off the it's not not permittable at the moment but you would think that given what Jim has just brought up y clearly
state representatives and state officials are aware of the fact that there are many other places besides the beautiful Commonwealth of Massachusetts where this can be done and I don't think it's it is a solution it's just a question of is there enough political will and I can't imagine we're unique when it comes to putting sewing systems
in in particularly in towns that are more densely developed than we are if you think about that's why there's that's why there's an outfall pipe in Boston that goes 25 miles out to C to get rid of the liquid there because I'm sure there's probably a lot of Lawns
around Boston that could use gray water but you can't do it well very very close to Lawns let's talk about Paving um so the good news is that just in time for the St Patrick's Day Parade which I believe is Saturday Satur yes for some reason in my head it was Sunday but no
it's actually Saturday that um uh the contractor let's say that needed to fix some sections of 28 that needed to be fixed they have done some resurfacing I don't know if anybody has driven down those sections it's much I would say it's better it's much better
and I think we'll just leave it there but the good news is it's better uh intentionally uh not because we all deserve better I think as a town but also because there's the small matter of the actual parade that is happening so wouldn't you know it Economic Development sometimes
forces action anyway um so that's good that's a good news um so yes just in time for the parade also a couple of weeks ago at the select board meeting there was quite a panic because long story short the state has a year-to-year
application for the actual Wastewater work through a separate program and you have to get renewed every year M um and as you know we have a $27 million project but then the state said oh by the way we're only going to allocate 50 million a year and oh by the way Yarmouth mail get 25 and everybody lost
their minds that was a couple weeks ago so I guess I would say if we cut to cut cut to today the good news is thanks to the work of the Town um mostly I believe Mr rittenau and uh and Jeff Colby that crisis has been avoided and the state basically said don't worry we can put all the contracts back under the right
umbrella of the 2023 program so that none of this none of our funding none of our zero loans are going to get derailed a couple of weeks ago as you know the select board rightfully so wrote a very let's just say firm letter um to try to get that fixed and it has
gotten fixed so crisis averted and all seven contracts are now back under the srf there was a point a couple weeks ago where some were and some weren't and that wasn't so good but the good news is we're good um um UN in the not as good
category contract is the contract that has not been awarded yet officially because that is the Lo that is the contract that includes the pump station that is in some uh what's the word disagreement um there has not been a
resolution as of as of Monday's meeting however all the town officials that were at the meeting as well as the Consultants are still optimistic and still acting as though there will be a fall 2025 start for that work as well as the contract next to it so again everything west of Park is river is what
we're talking about um so there's that um I think that's about all that we should really talk about for today um the meetings continue to be fascinating and um very glad that the that the that
the plant is under construction because you know you got to have something to hook up too and uh that is it's a sign of progress too it's a visual sign of progress see so um again there is those meetings are the first Monday of every month um we we
have asked the public to come and speak and or voice their opinions and we continue to make that offer and and there is a hotline phone number meetings 4M usually about an hour hour and 10 minutes there is an official hotline number um that is staffed with a live
human being so it's really nice to know as people are getting their letters and trying to figure out what to do and where to hook up and if they have questions um they literally can call 771 7921 extension one and a human will answer during human hours meaning work
hours but we'll be there's also an email address and and it is being well I think supported by our town staff who are as you can imagine juggling a lot of balls well can I ask a question The Pump Station issue that hasn't knocked us off schedule at all has no and that's what
and you can imagine a lot all of us on the rack who serve by the way from Conservation Commission there's an appointee from the finance committee as well as some very smart people who are at large we're all very much like hey so what's going on with the bump station so clearly we only meet once a month
whereas the select board meets twice a month so it's possible that there will be a resolution at a select board meeting that we may not hear about so I would say if anybody hears anything please let me know um but again no one there after multiple questions was
saying we can't start in the fall so I'm going to interpret that to mean we still have another 60 to 90 days to kind of figure this out I mean the good news is if there is any they can't do any work in the summer anyway because of Route 28 and the state's rules as well as the fact that it's summer so there is a
little bit of cushion in there but I'm certainly hoping to bring better better news at a future update and of course maybe there'll be one at a select board update great thank you madam chair good stuff thank you will Kath anything for us um from you I
sent you guys the um Massachusetts it's unlocking housing production Commission report um the the link and then the um the article that was was done very
aggressive um ideas um with different ways of trying to produce more housing um there's a whole bunch of them with regard to recommendations for zoning um that I would recommend maybe you take a look at it's hard to know how much of these are just Pie in the Sky ideas and
how much will be latched on to and turned into something I don't think any of us really thought that the adus might go anywhere but that did so it's a little concerning to see what um might be going on here one of the beneficial things though that came out of it was allowing potentially allowing groundwater mounding to go from the 0.1
feet to the0 five um that might might help us um with that so they're really looking at the main thing here is eliminating single family zoning so you could never have single single family zoning and no no parking minimums and then we also talking about eliminating
the need for two means of egress for multif family housing up to 24 units in six stories that seems like a death trap to me Susan I looked at Susan Susan was just like this oh my have they heard about the coconut grow fire or anything like that you know constructed tax think
that'll get out of the state building on single off residential zoning I me that's like the bread and butter of a tax plan a tax program is how do you divide up your land so you can figure out how to tax it and if they say no
more anyway I predict in 30 years Cape Cod is going to look like Ocean City Maryland you're absolutely right hey I'm from there I'm not saying bad or good I'm just saying it's gonna look like that I know what you mean it's a totally different on the Jersey see page of
sandunes in salty air and no that's I hear what you're saying you're they don't care how you decrease demand if you make it a less desirable place to live oh in terms of the state's approach yes okay got it housing at any
cost and then the other thing is um there a flyer out here I sent it to you guys about taking the um cdbg survey it's due March 21st it's on the town website um I took it so me too can you remind me because I missed I missed a
part of the select board meeting how much money are we actually talking about here oh it's not as much money as you think it's I think it's less than $200,000 I defer as to whether the definition meets any threshold I just didn't know what the number was yeah I think it's less than $200,000
yeah but we put that to good use good targeted use yeah and we might as well take advantage now because I think that's one of the programs that is very vulnerable in Washington those are the kinds of things they're not going to be funding
anymore least at least but but and part of the problem is a lot of people don't understand them yeah so they said good get rid of it because they don't understand what it does and it's they could be very effective it's a problem there's so many
that are useless that some of the ones that are important are going to get exactly yep sucked up with the useless ones yep baby with bath water little bit of hatching instead of scalping is that state report on the we on the town website not on the town
website no I think I sent you with the link or maybe I no I attached the whole thing to that email that I sent out to you on February 27th yeah I have it I was just wondering if it it was it's not on the town website Madam chair I have one question and a comment if I may yep
one is I saw the appointment of the new recreation director which there's a promotion from within which is very exciting from all the people that are much more intimately involved in Recreation day-to-day than I am so congratulations to that department has there been an appointment or did I miss it because I didn't watch the last select board meeting has there been an
appointment for a replacement at the health department that you know of Kathy I don't think it's been officially okay so when it is negotiations with someone so we'll hear about it at a select board meeting okay maybe well I don't okay no
it's a it's a department it's a division head so I think there's a certain time period where they have the ability to um well just like the recreation department head they'll have to come to the select board so I guess we'll see it on an agenda okay thank you for the clarification thank you madam
chair anything else I think um we may not have heard but Bill Benet is retiring as well director of Natural Resources oh really my God he's that old he I know Madam shair he's put in that many years I don't know how old he is he's the 20 years say he's hit the
number 38 or something crazy right started when he was 16 as long as I can remember Dave Condon is the he's the acting I think he's gonna be the acting when is the effective date or is that already I think it's mid I was surprised that it was act it was had officially had the acting I
don't know whether taking vacation up until then but by the middle of March oh goodness well between him and Carl the last three and a half years has seen quite the turnover a lot of brain really good no of course but I'm just saying the amount of they' for the two of them together have forgotten more about DNR
yeah they both history of decades long that's what I mean between the two of them it's front office person Jane was there forever that's true well congratulations to them I told him I was jealous Bruce Murphy Bruce Murphy was long time as
well anything else Madam Shar just one quick thing yes Parkers River Landing you can still buy a boardwalk plank $350 for an individual $450 for a nonprofit and $550 for a
business C yarmouth.ma do uspl wow so we are working with um Nicks big big Nicks ride in order to have um PL planks done for the 16 fallen on Cape Cod and we're going to try and put them
all together in one kind of like area that's for you know kind of make it a veterans kind of Memorial the Cape Cod veterans have also gotten a plank and the idea is maybe we can leave some blank spaces so if other veterans groups want to have so there'll be like maybe a veteran memorial section uh on the plank
so it was really what a great idea yeah terrific Madam chair you you listed the upcoming meetings are we skipping a meeting well that was on the my apologies I'm just being I'm just being your friendly clerk oh I just copied Kathy's oh I said the 16th it's the second I just didn't know if if you know
M Williams is entitled to a vacation I just figured that's what it was I think it's a I think it's a great idea of objection I do sorry M this is the problem when I don't when I don't meet with Kathy in advance no I it's my
mistake not yours it's mine I said April 16th and it's it it's April 2 you're like it 2025 and not 202 taxes on M April 16 so does madam chair get him done before that so does madam chair I got nothing I mean I still it's
always worth asking Madam chair about are there other things coming towards us that have nothing to do with the LCP the muck and all the other good work we're doing because as a planning board sometimes things come at us yeah yeah have administrative things to look at the zoning when we start figuring out
what this Adu yeah I think you business items maybe is what you're talking about I just meant in in terms of the next three meetings are they all necessary I don't know and I wouldn't presume to answer that yeah I don't I don't think there's any business items that I I know of but you never know when something
kind of gets thrown in there um I do have some things about some Scenic Road thing um people wanting to remove some trees in Scenic roads they need to provide them with some information so they can put applications together so we might see some of those but probably not like definitely not the next meeting
because there's a 30-day public notice period um so I don't have anything in the in the near future um the April 2nd I would like to have that conversation if we're ready to talk about action items and certain things that we can Implement um good so
great may I have a motion to adjourn don't move second discussion all in favor hi thank goodness call for that vote