Peter just brought all this recording in progress. Kathy's getting I think Kathy I gave it to Kathy. Kathy's getting it from She had put it in recycling. She's getting it back. I'm okay with the way this is written. I think this is what we decided. It is.
picked up as I walked through the boat part. This Yeah, this is the boat part. I mean, the super partis I'm just gonna start. Uh good evening and welcome to the August 6th, 2025 Yarmouth Planning Board meeting. I am
Joan Crowley, chair. Uh the public is welcome to attend our meeting in person or via alternative public access provided on the town of Yarmouth website. Our meetings are generally held on Wednesdays um the first and third of the month. Uh
but additional meetings uh are sometimes uh needed uh but today is a regularly scheduled meeting. I'll begin by taking roll call. Susan Brida here. Deerra Gaquin here. Will Rubenstein? I'm here. Welcome, Will. Jim Sabin,
Peter Slovac, here. Ken Smith, here. Joanne Crowley, uh, present. Uh, seeing that we have a quorum, I'll now call the meeting to order. And I would ask that you join me in the pledge of allegiance. Algian to the flag
of America to the republic for it stands nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Um the first item on our agenda this evening is um we have our
town engineer Amanda Limo with us and um she is going to present us with a preliminary draft of a policy for the town um with regard to a complete
streets uh program that is sponsored I think by Mass DOT and we just want to learn a little bit more about it this evening. She's given us a draft of what the policy might look like that would be presented to the board, the select board for approval. Um, but at some point, um,
maybe not tonight, but at at a future meeting, she would like to have our recommendation, um, to move forward with it and some support from us, uh, for it. So, Amanda, I'll turn it over to you. Thank you for joining us. the town engineer and with me tonight is
Amanda Mi who's our engineering intern and also a recent Cape Cod Tech graduate. Um so we're very welcome Amanda. Yeah, you're here. There you go. You got it.
We could go ahead. Sorry. I still don't hear anything. No, I'm not. I don't I see I do see a green light though. Now it's on Amanda. Hello. All right, perfect. Thank you so much. Um just for those on Zoom, Amanda Lima, the town
engineer and with me tonight is Amanda Murda who's our engineering summer intern and also a recent Cape Cod Tech graduate. Um um back in March, our town administrator had reached out to engineering to try to um solicit um potential grants for the for the town
and one of the missing pieces is not having a complete streets policy implemented. The complete streets uh policy is a mass DOT initiative and I u grabbed a little um quote from their website which is that it uh provides the
critical gaps in transportation networks by giving Massachusetts municipalities tools and funding to advance complete streets in their community. Complete streets are ones that provide safe and accessible options for all travel modes such as walking, biking, transit, and vehicles for people of all ages and
abilities. Um the the policy um is part of a tiered system. It's the first tier um and as you had mentioned Joanne, it's a a policy to be adopted by the select board and then the second tier of that is um developing an implementation plan
in which the Cape Cod Commission would help us rank different projects for implementation and the final tier would actually you know beginning the construction work. Um, and that is a uh 500,000 uh rolling over a four-year fiscal that the town would be eligible
for along with um grants for the safe routes to school. Um so um in your packets um tonight is a is a draft policy um that Amanda helped develop based on um the other 11 communities that have an adopted policy on the Cape.
Um of those 11 communities, nine of them have moved into the tier 2. you're not required um to continue moving, but if you would like to be eligible for funding, you would continue on. Um nine of those u communities have continued to move on, and at least four of them have
received implementation funds uh for projects related to their plan. Um the policy itself um has a um pretty um I wouldn't say strict, but encouraged guideline. You have a scoring system um
which DOT folks can help you um see where you're at. evaluation wise, you need to score um an 80 points in order um to move forward in the tier process that they have provided. Um they have a whole um and I can provide this to um
complete streets funding program guidance and in here there's a lot of really good frequently asked questions such as you know if this policy is suggesting sidewalks in an area you know does every single subdivision that comes forward need sidewalks and the answer is no. um and that there's um plenty of
opportunity and flexibility to be able to look at everything as a case-byase basis um to be able to um provide you know the best needs to the community. So yeah, so for tonight again we provided the draft just to kind of get initial feedback. Um, we're really there
isn't that while I just mentioned the whole tiered system is very structured in how we can move forward, there isn't a lot of clear guidance in regards to how to do the public outreach portion of it. Um, you know, I was really excited to come to the planning board because in the last six years I haven't had the
opportunity to. Uh, and you know, just to kind of you know, solicit different ideas that you guys may have. Um, the Cape Cod Commission for their projects will do like tableabling events along the rail trail. So, um, Amanda and our other intern, Louisa, will be doing that before the end of their internship. Uh,
and if there's anything else that, um, you guys would, um, like to have or ask questions, you know, just so we can make sure that we have a well-rounded policy as we move forward. Amanda, you you referenced a mass dot, uh, document that has FAQs regarding the
program. Y, I think that might be useful to u, maybe uh, Kathy can share that with us. Uh because one of my first questions was what is this program? Um and and um and I although the policy clearly is meant
to be a simplified direction for the town, I was more curious about you know how it came to be um why Masdat thinks it's important and what are the benefits uh to us um and the town in terms of options for uh grant funding. So, that
would be that would be I I would be interested in seeing that if you could uh forward that to us through through Kathy. Um, and I'd like to just open it up to the members of the board to any uh questions or comments with regard to uh what uh Amanda has presented with us
tonight. You have Susan, Miss Bura. Yep. Um, we just finished our uh local comprehensive plan. I'm assuming that and the second question would be what what kinds of things are incorporated
into this program but I'm assuming that this program would be not in conflict with what we have in our long range our comprehensive plan regarding transportation it would be complimentary correct okay what kinds of things are are contemplated in this project in this
program it's like new sidewalks or correct yeah so it's yeah increasing how is that different from current funding the the state the the time we get from the state. What what makes this different from our current relationship with with DOT? So that's a new pocket of cash in
regards to the 500,000 over the rolling four-year fiscal. So you can have requests up to half a million over four years rolling. Okay. So it's a and then also a new requirement for the safe routes to school. I don't the um spokesperson didn't confirm that it was definitive
yet, but we wouldn't be eligible for the safe routes to school. Well, in the past we would have and without the policy. She didn't say exactly when that part would be implemented, but we have um you know done evaluations in February of 24 for the high school um for doing improvements. So, we just want to make
sure that we have this in works um so that we wouldn't miss out on an opportunity. So, is the process that the town would propose and the state would dispose? We would say we want a sidewalk along Route 28 in West Jamoth and they would say fine. Is that how are they do is it a
collaborative do they make suggestions to us? Right. So the the policy there's the f tier one is the policy and then someone has to attend one of their uh classes and then two step two the tier two is the implementation I mean excuse me the prioritization plan and that's like you
mentioned getting more public outreach. the Cape Cod Commission would help us with that um planning and you know like you said ranking whether it's sidewalk projects um and like you said it's opened I mean I would think that sidewalks would be the most common ones um but it could be you know just like crosswalk
improvements and you know again but if they proposed something that the town didn't want I assume the town would still have the authority to say no that's not within our we're not interested in doing that we would have they're not initiating the projects it would be initiate projects by getting outreach Okay. I'm always concerned
about using other people's money because they sometimes they dictate, you know, they come up with things that you really don't want to do and they say, "Well, if you want it, you've got to do it." So, so the process is we propose as a community and they say, "Yes, that fits within the policy and we would help and we would consider a grant of a
certain amount." Do they fully fund the project or is a partial grant and and we're responsible for? If I would guess it would be partial because half a million isn't going to go very far at all. Okay. And does it cover all all modes of transportation. Um, yeah. So, yeah, I don't we haven't
gotten to that part of that um part of the policy, but I can follow up on that detail. So, I'm not sure exactly. And what's the timing on this? What what is the state? Um, again, the so the town administrator had reached out um in March and I had
responded back saying um you know, we're very interested, you know, given where our workload is um and we had Amanda had availability. So, we were like, let's squeeze this in. And I met with Kathy. So, there isn't a clear path. Um, the other communities, um, like I mentioned, the 11 that have adopted them started in
2016 and it went through 2022. So, there's no there's no clear, you know, deadline that we would be missing by not we're trying to, you know, get as much outreach so that, you know, it feels very, you know, solid before we ask for the select board's approval. Okay. Have you had feedback from the
other communities that have participated in the program? Are they satisfied with it or um I I haven't I haven't solicited that. I know that we reviewed them all um to put together what we have um today, but they mostly the bread and butter things like sidewalks and yeah, there was four that was on the
Cape Cod Commission's website and I didn't continue reading other than counting them to be honest with you, but I could we can we'll again this is very we're very in the beginning stages of it. Well, before we start digging in and I can help answer those questions as we continue on. Yeah, I mean any access
to money I think we always should take a look at. I just don't don't want too many, you know, and especially if we're proposing and they're disposing of our request, there's really no risk at that point. So, I think it's a good idea. Okay, Madam Chair. Yes.
So, I'm in full agreement with what Susan just said. If there's any access to state money and it works for us, we should take advantage of it. the one thing I guess I'm looking for a little clarification on the street policy and then you said there was also a safe route to school program to and you said
it was one or the other I guess am I correct in that you could apply for one but not the other. No, it was saying um that a change in the safe routes to schools um policy may be that you have to have an accepted complete street policy. Yeah. So, in order to be eligible for that grant,
they haven't definitively that I'm aware of um made that notice, but um but the um spokesperson mentioned that that would be that's in the So, if we take advantage of this program, which I highly encourage, will we also try and take advantage of the safe route to school program as well?
Yes. We did an evaluation in February of 24 of the high school to do improvements of that and um and there was recommendations from from that report and then when I followed back up for that she that's when the woman had mentioned that you know that you might want to be moving forward with the
complete streets policy part. Great job by both of you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you Peter. Anything? Okay. Um, I I mean I I spoke with you before the meeting started just uh um kind of not necessarily off the record, but I do
have some suggested changes to um make the I think the policy statement um a little bit uh more crisp, including just general comments about adding in not just roadways but walkways. the word walkways. And I don't know whether this
is a DOT um requirement or not in terms of how you pull all the information from the 11 towns that have already um uh applied for and are successful in doing this. I mean, I I would hope that um our
policy wouldn't run counter to that. Um but I I did have some um uh just preliminary comments in terms of how the policy statement might be uh might be uh adjusted in a little bit of way in a
couple of different ways. Um and as I mentioned uh before Kathy will tell you that uh I I I bring a background of being a policy wonk to the table. So I apologize in advance. Oh we appreciate that. So you can you
can I'll give these to you um uh and you can uh use them as you wish. But I I just think there are just a couple of things that we might where there's repetition maybe it's required. Um and I can understand where the regs for this particular policy statement
might require you to say it once, say it twice, say it three times because sometimes policies require that. Um but I did I did have just a a a couple of questions in terms of um you you did
mention in the uh uh in terms of available other documents um and most of them um I'm I'm aware of um but I wasn't aware of the ADA transition plan. Do we
do we have we do it is dated. 1992. Um I know that um Sarah O'Reilly is the liaison on the disability commission and they had put in a grant for a consultant to update
that. Um they also referenced the walkthrough that Kathy had. I forget which plan that was a part of open space and w plan required an ADA transition plan for all of the wreck. So they do reference that as well in open space and w plan. Yes. Yes. You told me that Kath.
Yeah. So that that was so we had pursued a grant um which we'll find out in the fall for this east entrance accessibility. Um and we provided u both of those documents as part of that. Great. Thank you. Um I don't have any other questions unless the board does.
And uh I I like the fact that um you're you're sorry you haven't been invited more often. I I can arrange for more invitations. Watch out. Mark knows member. That's right.
We might as well. Yeah, he's he's an honorary member. So, um, but we appreciate Thank you both, Amanda for your work. Yeah. Have Will on. Oh, will I know if you had Thank you. My clerk isn't sitting next to me, so uh, Will.
Yes. Hi, Madam Chair. I'm glad you mentioned the open space and recck plan because Amanda did participate in that a little bit during that process and I think we did plow a lot of that earth and I hope that you'll be definitely referring to it because we'd heard a lot from people around the town um about
these issues as we built that open space and w plan and I'm sure as you do more public outreach you might come across some similar themes that we discovered in that 18-month journey. Um, I I'm glad that we're getting to ask MASDOT because
it would trouble me if it was the opposite given what they're about to do at 28 Main Street near the hospital. So, I'm, you know, yes, I'm throwing that back out. Uh, it's glad I'm glad to hear we get to propose to them versus the other way around. Thank you, Madam
Chair. Thank you, Will. Appreciate that. Again, Amanda, I'll I'll give you my uh preliminary comments here. take them as you will. Um I just want um to make sure that uh we can get the best product in
front of the select board. Um because I think what you've heard this evening is that we all support it. Um and uh um it's, you know, it's very it's a five-page docu, you know, four-page document. It's not that complicated. And um we should be able to get this to the
board uh select board uh quickly and um hopefully get it going so that the town can take advantage of these funds that are available. Okay, great. Thank you guys. Um I'll I'll give it to Kath and we'll we'll we'll catch up later. Thank you so
much both of you for joining us this evening. Uh the next item on our agenda uh our zoning amendments in our packet that Kathy has provided to us. We have draft number two dated August 4th with regard to fish shellfish
retail sales and uh boat storage uh draft number two also dated August 4th, 2025. Uh Kath, you want to run us through a little bit of what you've got here? Uh and thank you. Building Commissioner Mark Grills is here to help
us uh as well this evening. But basically, um you see reflected in your packet and on the screen is some edits that were suggested based on the last meeting that we had. I believe that was July 16th. Um there's some concerns about making sure that um the person who is catching it and selling it is also
the resident of the property. Uh not the homeowner because it may be a tenant. So, it's just the resident of the property and that's really the only significant change that was made um based on the meeting last time. Um some of the things that there's been some additional kind of rumblings in public
comments that I've been hearing in my travels. Um, and there's been some concerns about, you know, whether this is this this was originally designed to say, okay, we are a community that wants to support our commercial fishermen, our commercial lobstermen, and we're kind of allowing it universally in many respects
throughout our entire community. Um, so this this is beyond what would be necessary necess specifically to address Mr. Taly's concerns with the lobster sales in his in his areas. So, um, I very briefly discussed it with Mark and I kind of had an epiphany this afternoon as to whether we wanted to maybe
consider limiting this more a little bit more and just allowing it in the in the residential zoning districts and maybe considered limiting it to um, lobster sales only. I don't know whether this is something that would be too restrictive for town council's uh comfort level, but I wanted to bring it up to you guys
because the whole idea is we want to be sure that we get something to present at town meeting that the whole community feels comfortable with and something that can that can pass at town meeting but also meets the needs of of Mr. D. So, so what that means, Kath, is on the youth use table that you uh provided to
us, the first column there that's residential would have the footnote seven, correct? Apply. So, so this one here would have the footnote seven. And that footnote you're suggesting be refer only to lobsters.
It's a question for discussion with you guys. If you wanted to more narrowly define what we're allowing. Okay. Um you could have it instead of being um harvested or caught um lobsters shall be in compliance with all applicable local, state and federal regulations may only
sell but personally caught or harvested by the resident of the property and the lobster must be sold whole and not prepared or process. So, it wouldn't be a lot of edits, but we want to make sure that by restricting it just like that that it's not causing um you know, do amendment, agricultural, other types of
legal issues. Um for us, I think it would still meet Mr. Tolly's needs by limiting it to lobsters. Uh it also might make um other people in the community feel a little bit more comfortable. To be a lobsterman, you have to invest a significant amount of money. not everybody's going to be doing that versus someone who might have a
have a nice, you know, recreational boat and a commercial fishing license, uh, who might be able to bring in some some fish that they would like to sell in their neighborhoods. So, it's just a question to you guys as to um whether you want me to pursue that with town council. We are also going before the select board on Tuesday night for the
LCP, but we're also going to introduce this to them to get some feedback from them. Um, so I just kind of see how you wanted to go how how you wanted to present that information. So there are just there are two things that we're looking at here. One is uh moving it to lobsters only and then
also adjusting the use table so that it would only be uh the footnote 7 would apply only in residential. Yeah. Residential res but not the RS40. Right. Right. Most restrictive and it's in the historic district along route
along route. So it would only be the very first column in the use table. That's that's some of the ideas that I was thinking of this afternoon whether you would be interested in pursuing them. I'm I'm open to comments from the board. Miss Vera, at some point didn't we discuss maybe
also limiting it seasonally? That was for boats, not for that was boats. What about what about what about limiting this seasonally? I I think the the nature of the they do fishing in January is going to limit the seasonality of it.
Um, and you think I mean I don't I Yeah, they go out year round, Susan. That's the question. Depending on the weather that's there's no re if you have a commercial license or it's not limited. It's not limited. Okay. What about um it says require special permit. Why is that not a variance?
It's a variance now. We'd be making no changes. It says special permit from the zoning board. So, they'd be get a special permit. They would not be getting an exemption from the They'd not be asking for a variance. They asked for a variance already and they were denied a variance. Variances are much more difficult, especially use variances
because the criteria doesn't really apply to uses in the same sense as it would a physical something um on a property dimensional or or other. And why did they turn them down on the variance? They didn't f they felt they did not meet the variance criteria
because of what we you know special won't run with the land either. So I mean it's not is that right? I mean it's I think it can be only really apply to the current could limit it to the current right as well. They can condition the variance as well.
Zoning board could Mark could you come to the table please? Uh Commissioner Gillis. Thank you Madam Chair members of the board. Hi. Um a variance can also be conditioned to expire with this transfer of the
property. So special permits, they run with the property just the same as a variance can. It's just unless it's conditioned by the board to expire with the transfer of the property. Correct. And that could be written into any in the conditions that would pick up the
notion of of um the punch of a variance could still be included in the special permit um conditioning. In other words, you'd pick up if the property was sold, the special permit becomes null and void. Is that what you're saying? That's only if the the uh conditions
specifically say that this expires with this applicant is typically what it says. Right. And would we want to include that kind of language in the amendment? Uh the board of the zoning board of appeals would make that determination at the in their hearing in their
deliberations. Could we write that into this? Could we make a recommendation to the zoning board? Uh that's a legal question you probably want to talk to council about. Okay. Uh, so what I'm hearing is I think we might want to think about having legal counsel
look at that that at the trans at the time of transfer of the property there would be an expiration essentially of the special permit. Right. That used to be the and Mark, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was also the conditioning
originally in our original ADU language. It was a special permit, but the permit expired when the property was sold. It did not when the property sold, they had 60 days to uh renew the special permit. The new owner had the opportunity to re renew through the registry of deeds. They didn't have to come for a hearing, but
they had to they had to reup their uh their deed restriction. Yeah. I think it's at least get the opinion of the town council whether I'm seeing some I'm seeing some head shaking. Yes. Okay. Mark, you you okay? Absolutely. Madam, Madam Chair, we're
also going to ask um council on restricting it to lobster only if that's too restrictive. Correct. Yeah, makes sense. And you know, finally, it's um we're restricting it to column one in the use table.
Residential only. Both those question three questions would be it sounds like lobsters only limiting it this the seven note to residential only and then um whether we could also in this note say the special permit expires upon transfer of property automatically
right Mark if a special permit doesn't specifically say that it it expires or doesn't transfer to the next owner does it automatically is it assumed that it'll just roll over if it doesn't say that if it's not specific it goes to the next owner it rides with the property not the applicant again That's another legal question, but
that's the way I've always interpreted it. And also, can I just ask one question, please? Didn't we um Didn't we say we did not want to talk about signage? Add that in there. This is off premise. This is on premise. This is
only This is only on premise. Okay. Yeah. U Mr. Rubenstein, we just lost him. Disappeared. Ah, he's gone. He quit. be back. Gee, and I I actually jumped on that. I
mean, I typically don't even I forget those people. Comes back in promote them. Okay. Thank you. Any anything else on this particular one? We're good to go. I guess my only question to you is how do you want to present it to the select board? Yeah. That I mean, I may have some information
from town council before that meeting, but we won't have had a chance to discuss it. So, how do you want to present it? Do you want to present what we have so far? And then note that we're also looking into these things with town council. Yeah, I would think that's the way to do it. This is the draft. That's what's out in public out in
public cap. So present what we have in this draft number two and then note that we are looking at the three items into the three. Yeah. Into the three for clarification issues as three topics. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Good. That sounds good. Thank you. Okay. Okay, next on our agenda uh is the
amendment for uh boat storage uh and recreational equipment. Um not just boats but uh mostly focusing on that. Um so we have Kathy had put together some
uh wording with regard to uh the provisions in 401. Uh and with regard to the uh exception uh so Kathy you want to this is really what we just talked about last week last last meeting.
Anything that's highlighted is a slight rewarding. So I think you really wanted to make sure that the um the boat was registered to the owner or the resident of the property. so it doesn't become, you know, people's friends storing it. And then um that it was also specifying the length and located on a registered
trailer. So just some minor reworking of the language there, but the main change is that we added the two to the owner or resident of the property that the boat needs to be registered to them. And then I don't know where we stand on the on the length. I think any any questions, comments from the board on adjustments to this. Miss
Brida, just a clarification. So, does this also allow them to park a boat in back of the house? All right. So, that I have to tell you is um um I think any if anything I think the residents certainly I told I did like in
scientific survey of people on my beach. If anything, they want more restrictions, not less. um or not fewer uh the why can't we say and I I think I had sent Kathy some potential language why
can't we say you can park either in the back of the house or in the driveway but not both that way they have a choice um because right now that means and the other thing what they have a house that could have a boat in the back
boat in the driveway if there's an ADU on the property. Does the ADU have the is is an ADU authorized also to have a boat? If it's registered to the resident and of the of the ADU, so you have potential to have four boats
on one lot, two in the back, two in the driveway. If there's driveways for each the one, it's one can be located. That's it's specific to one boat, Susan. One boat in the driveway, right? But what if there's one boat on the property? What if there's but but what if there what's
the what if there's a driveway for the ADU? So there's a driveway for the main house, a driveway for the ADU. That means there could be four boats on one lot potentially. Two in the back, one in each driveway.
Or maybe you want to say one vote per lot maybe because you I I don't think the intent is to have multiple boats. Why can't we say either or? Why can't we say you can either put it in the back or you have or you can put it in the driveway, but you can't have two boats on the lot.
You guys could, but I think the last discussions that we had is you're really interested in allowing for the easy access during the voting season and limiting the timeline of But how does that how does that how does having a boat in the back and the boat in the driveway conflict with that concept?
I'm talking lo I'm concerned about location. I'm concerned about another assault on residential neighborhoods where we have, you know, the ability to have a home business, child care centers complete with chain link fences. I think the building
inspector mentioned early on that there is now no restriction anymore for adult child care centers. Um, we have ADUs, all of which compromise the concept of a residential neighborhood. Um, and I think allowing expanding the use of of
boat even though we're supposed to be and we are um, you know, see, but we're also a residential neighborhood. Um, and I found no appetite at all for people to be expanding the concept of of I think
we have a legitimate concern with the the applicant because he lived in a situation where he had a circular driveway which is either driveway nor back. Um, so I think we can retain the concept of one boat per lot and have them you can either put it in the back
of the house or in the driveway, but you cannot you cannot have two boats on the lot. And right now this would allow two boats. Yes, it would. Are we right, Mark? It would allow two boats. Yeah. And I think that that's Yes. It only allows one boat in the driveway, but then if you had a boat stored behind the front line, it's not a
violation of the of the zoning bylaw that right now. Well, right now you can't put it in your driveway. It has to be behind the front line, but you could have a boat on either side of your property. The the one of the big reasons for um this recommendation is that there's there's
Yarmouth is full of small lots and people don't, you know, they want to have a boat. They want to enjoy their recreational time out, but they don't have any place to put it other than pay the boat storage fees or put it in their driveway. They don't have a place. So, if you want only want it in the driveway for the summer months, they don't have
any place to put it in the winter. All those people will be jetting to Florida and I'll be calling them in Florida saying you got to move your boat. So they you got to I think limiting it to to just certain months of the year to store it in your driveways is is overly restrictive. Honestly, if you're going
to allow it in the driveway, allow it in the driveway without a time restriction. Without a time restriction. Because if you again, a lot of people have boats and they have they can't put it beside their there's no way for them to put it there because their house fills their whole lot side to side. They're tiny
lots. They're just really small lots in town. So, that's been an issue with a lot of people. And some people have had to cut down giant trees in their yard, you know, big oak trees that are, you know, 24 in across so that they could fit not be in violation. So, um that's
all I really got to say about that. M so enforcement you're saying were we to um apply this particular change would be very difficult and the boats in the driveway and they're gone.
Yeah. essentially. Yeah, it could lead to it'll lead to complaints which we get we get them frequently but but right right now there's no restriction on the number of boats that could be properly correct set behind the front line of the house.
Right. As long as they own as long as they're owned by the same person that lives there. That goes for the and that's an implied in and that's implied. It's not even written. We, you know, if you're if you have five other boats from five different owners on your property, now you're a boat storage yard for all intent purposes,
right? And there are a couple of those around. Mhm. There's also one that has six boats in his yard and they're all his. Mhm. They exist. Are they all behind the front line of the house? Yes, they are. So then he's compliant.
The neighbors don't like it, but it's not a violation, right? So it's a complicated matter. It's not this there's I don't think there's any real simple fix. This is a simple a simple way to address, you know, a common issue with with people with small lots.
It's also the people that don't want to keep taking it from back to the front back to the front. They put it in the driveway and then they find a way to store it behind the house in the winter. I mean, I think that's this is going to accommodate quite a few more people. This is Oh, definitely. This will increase use in intensity. I mean, regardless of whether or not it's
seasonal. So, it's So the expectation is on November 1st that goes behind the scouts will go out and look for boats that are still on the lot. No, I'm not going out looking for boats. They got plenty of other things to do. If I get complaints, I'll address the complaints, but
my guys can't be driving around. They they they tend to run into Mercedes-Benzes and Audi's. The enforcement issue is not really solved. It's expanded, as a matter of fact. as you now if this goes if this stays the way it is, you've got double the amount of
violations. Well, we don't get a lot of complaints. We might get 20. You know, one year we had one complaint and that guy just drove around town and ratted out everybody in town. So, that was the year that I wrote that memo to the board thinking that you should probably give some consideration to it because there
were so many violations around town. I think one of my inspectors wrote 24 letters in a in a two-month period. Yeah, I know. We have a lot in our neighborhood. Yeah, we have a lot of violations in our neighborhood and the neighbors want to be neighborly and they don't say anything, but there's a lot of grumbling.
Um, so so any attempt to expand what's annoying them is troublesome. I don't know that it would be an expansion. If they're already parking them in the driveway and they continue to park them in the driveway, it's not an expansion. I think that I think that you I agree.
And if they have just packed in the driveway or in the back of the house and they be able and I don't I don't care if they leave it the I'm not particularly concerned about the seasonality if I don't have an issue there during the winter let them. I don't have an issue either way. Whatever you guys decide,
you know, whatever the county votes for, we're going to enforce it. Yeah. Because where do they go in November to drag their boat to have it stored by then? I think most of the marinas have are up to capacity. So, we're putting into effect something that's almost non-inforceable. So, I
think if we say either or, but you only have one vote and you choose where you want to put it, I think that's and you can do it all year. So, I'm willing to trade off the onesies and twzies for the seasonal. I don't care about the seasonal. In fact, I think leaving it in the winter is part of the problem. They
have no place to put it. So, saying it's got to be out of there by November 1st is a is a is a it's like a squat law. They're like enshrining the squaff law. What you'll have then is is boats with um shrink wrapped and permanently in their driveway that are never in the water.
Right. But that's the way it is now. I mean I there are boats in my but in my drive through my neighborhood there are boats there all the time shrink wrapped all year round. But I mean driveway. Yep. Yep. But I think this opens it up. I think this is too too liberal.
Legal now versus illegal. Right. That's why that's why we had recommended the dates in here was to try and eliminate the shrink wrap boats just sitting in driveways year round. That was the reason why I know but the the we attempted to eliminate it but we can't because in a
from a practical point of view they have no place to go November 1st. If they had a place to go once they take their boat out of the water they would take it there. The we're we're saying to people November 1st go find some marina that's going to take your boat. That's that's just an unrealistic thing to expect. these sailors to do.
Yep. Well, I mean, you would negotiate where you're going to go before November 1st. You wouldn't you would maybe do it October or September. You wouldn't I agree all of a sudden. But if we if we say you can have you have one and you can have it in the driveway and shrink wrapped all year round,
first of all, it eliminates a a a profound scoff notion that these people are just not doing what the zoning says to do. Mhm. And having that out in the public that we have something on the books that is almost uninforceable, I think is just bad public policy. Um the and I just
think it's it it's bad public policy. It's like saying the you know the speed limit on Route 28 is 30, but go ahead and go 40. Everybody does. We can't because we can't we can't enforce it. um this is a combination of an enforcement issue and
and trying to figure out how to accommodate and so I'm willing to limit the amount and if they wouldn't leave their their boat in the yard all year which I look at all the time I mean that is endemic in my neighborhood um
but I don't think it's so much in other neighborhoods I think it's welcoming it's welcoming a problem many more neighborhoods small lots on small lots there's a lot of kayaks a lot of the stuff like that. But there's also some big ones. We're also very near the free launch at
um Englewood. So, we have a lot of people with boats in that neighborhood that leave them there all year round. You know, they use them in the summer, shrink wrap them in the fall, Christmas Eve, they're still there. Um I think in your neighborhood where we're there in November and December,
and we do we've written a lot of violations in your neighborhood and they seem to get cleaned up pretty quickly. So there are some that are people question whether or not they're actual violations. They're not. If you read our bylaw, they're not violations. They're on a corner lot. So the the bylaw right now says it has to be behind the front
line of the building, not the not off the front setback or not off not out of the front yard. It says on the front plane of the building, right? So if you're on a corner lot and you park your boat beside your house, but it happens to be a front, it still it meets the de qualifies. One of the issues
that's one of the issues that you have. So, we have been enforcing in your neighborhood. Um, and I know exactly where you're talking about. So, I think we get five or six complaints a year down there. It is a tough issue because people do like to boat and we are, you know, we are a lot of, you know, obviously a summer community and people start using
their boats as early as, you know, Easter weekend if the weather's decent. Weather's good. Um, and there's there is a lot of moving around, a lot of trailer traffic around getting their boats down to to the launch. Uh, but I I don't think expanding
the potential for a scoff scoff law is anything we should be entertaining. One thing I seem seem to see in my neighborhood is people who shrink wrap the boat, put it behind the line, but then in the summer they want to take it
out on a trailer. And I that's what I perceive this as doing like they they put it away behind the house or they send it to storage when they're for the winter, but in the summer they want it on a trailer so they can go out in it.
And um but I hadn't really considered the idea of so many extra boats. I think this I think the the the the nature of this um coming to us uh from the beginning is all about I'll use I'm
going to make up kind of the prototype of what uh the the boater is uh the boater is a boater it's got a you know 25 30 foot boat um properly puts it behind the property line shrink wraps it
or that and then uh puts it on a trailer for the season. Yeah. Um and wants to be able to leave it in his driveway or her driveway um for the season and then properly store it um using you know uh in accordance with the
bylaw. Um and that to me is okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's stored properly and then hopefully it's the person who owns the owns the vessel can use it um as they
wish in and out, in and out, in and out. Uh and it's hard to, you know, we've gone through this before with um any kind of zoning changes. Uh it it all comes down to the enforcement and quite frankly it comes down to neighbors um uh
calling the building commissioner um and uh identifying some violations, but I can see where um I'm having a sense from the board and myself included that multiple boats in a yard probably not something I'd be in
favor of. One, you store it in the winter and then you have it in your driveway for the your use during the summer on a legally registered trailer. I'm okay with that. Um, but six boats in a yard, I guess I I
wouldn't want to be the a butter uh on that one, but it's allowed now. I was going to say, Madam Chair, you you can't put the genie back in the bottle. No, no, it's it's allowed now. So, yeah, it's allowed now. Um uh and so um I mean the
the the the well the genie in the bottle now is no limit on the number of boats and if we wanted to make this amendment change do we want to make an amendment change on the number of vessels in the yard. I think that circles back to an enfor
enforcement issue that Susan was talking about that then puts the onus back on the building commissioner. I'm willing to but I'm willing to trade the issue of number of boats and give them a choice on location. I think that's a better solution. One boat, you decide where you want to put it on the
lot. You can put it in the back of the house, put it in your driveway, but you got one boat. You can have your trailer, have the driveway, take the boat in and out in the season, and then maybe shrink wrap it, but you decide where you want to put it. But the town says you can only have one boat on your lot. You you
choose where you want to put it. Either in the driveway or the original language in back of the whatever the language is. uh you can shrink wrap it, you can put it in a marina, you can bring it back out in the spring, you can have your trailer, but one boat on a lot that is trying to preserve the residential
concept of a of a of a residential neighborhood. The number of boats I think is a killer. Um opening that up then you'll get, you know, we got a we got a kayak and we got our rowboat and we got a this and we got a that and I don't think those would be. So I'm willing to trade Yeah. But I'm
willing to trade the number of boats for location. give them the option of where they want to put it, but the town says one. The zoning bylaw says one vote. I don't think Do Well, I don't know. How many people have two boats? Quite a few. Well, then they're going to have to find
some place to store the second one. Yeah, I had two votes at one point, especially if we're Yeah, especially if we're dealing with a residential neighborhood. Um, we do not want these neighborhoods to start looking like, you know, a marina. So, so Susan, are you
saying that you're okay with boats being stored in the driveway shrink wrapped year round unused? I am. I'm willing to I'm willing to You're saying you don't want the neighborhood look like a marina, but it's only one It's only one boat. It would quite frankly, Peter, that's what I see all the time right now. So, but but the but this would allow
that notion double. You could shrink wrap it in the backyard. You could shrink wrap it in the driveway. Um the So, I don't think the number of boats is the issue. I think it's allowing them to store the boat on their on their
property uh is is a bigger issue and and I think a better solution um because it cuts down on the number of violations I would think because then the owner has got the choice of either putting it in the driveway and even even if they just do it for the summer then they leave it or they shrink wrap it. Um they're going
to do that regardless. I just don't want to see two of them. But you're welcoming a whole lot more boats back into the neighborhood. I think you're giving people the opportunity now to store it year round, maybe not use it, but leave it in the driveway, but you're just welcoming so much more back in. And we're already But that that's what I look at now.
That's what I think that's one of the issues right now is it's not in it's not enforced. I'm thinking of but everywhere, not just your neighborhood. I'm thinking of Captain's Village where every lot is under 10, you know, 10,000 square feet and you walk down any one of the streets and you're going to you won't be able to see 100 feet in front of you because
you're going to have your boat's going to Well, how many of them how many of them Some of them may still want to use a marina for whatever purpose. Maybe, maybe not. But but but Peter, allowing two doesn't solve that problem. But the problem wasn't the the number necessarily. It was where it was being
stored. That's what brought this whole problem here. Well, then why don't we just not even bother to address it and just change the number of votes and just leave everything behind the front of the house? I I I personally would like to see everything. I I have I have no problem with the current zoning. Quite frankly,
I just don't want to welcome more more increase the intensity of the yard use in neighborhoods more. And this what you're saying you're okay with will do that. So with this, this allows them to do two, one in the backyard and one in the drive. They can do that now.
They can have two in the backyard, right? So, I'm saying limit it to one boat. Either you put it in the backyard or you put it in the driveway. But we're not here because of the number problem. We're here because of the location problem. But but I think it's a combination of both because by solving the location problem, you're increasing the number.
And I'm not willing to do that. If you solve a location problem, you've increased the number. I think we ought to concentrate on the location. I don't know. I mean, that's just my opinion, but you may not be increasing the number. I think I think a lot of what Joanne was saying is somebody just wants it to be more convenient for in and out with
their trailer, but during, you know, the offseason, they're willing to make that what might be a cumbersome maneuver to in order to get it. This language increases the opportunity to put two boats on your lot. And I just don't think that's what we should be doing.
Oh, and I think I'm hearing the same thing from Peter that that the language as it sits now will in increase the opportunity, right, for others, right, to use their driveway in front of the
lot line, uh, their house line, right, to store their store their boats or park them there even seasonally in and out. Yeah. Or or not at all. Or not at all. Not at all. And that's why the bill I we I read what was what the problem with us
was the last time we addressed this and people got up to said I want to look at shrink wrap boats in my yard. So it never passed it died. Well, it never got that far. Never got that far. Select the select board said no. Um and they could say no to this too. I
mean they could say look continue to live with what we have. Um, so we either address the we we could actually address the number and the location in a in a zoning bylaw. That would be that would be also an alternative that we could
consider. Um, we could just say one vote per lot lawfully registered, right? I mean, we could fix this with two words here if that's what you wanted. Yeah. I I think that just to the owner Yeah. I think that whole position I was going to put it all on Mark's team to
deal with because there's multiple multiple homes in Yarmouth currently that have more than one boat behind the front line of the house. And that's just a fact. Whether we want to believe it or not, I know at one point I owned two boats that were behind the front line of the house. If you came to me and said
you can't own two boats, I'd tell you to start paying my tax bill. Madam Chair, can I ask a quick question? Certainly, Mr. Rubenstein. Thank you. Just to reframe, what what problem are we trying to solve? Uh my my understanding is that uh uh
there had been some uh um interest in adjusting the uh zoning bylaw by uh quite frankly an individual who uh used uh their boat quite
frequently in and out in and out um and had been cited for a violation by the building commissioner. Uh, and what I heard you say, Madam Chair, was we're trying to solve a location problem, not a number of boats problem. We're trying I I'm not sure it's a location problem. It's a usability
problem. Uh, or accessibility problem. Um, it is about heard about number of boats. That's the part that's where I keep getting hung up. Um, sorry. I just thought maybe that would be a nice way to just take a step back and say, are we solving the problem that was brought to us in this language?
And if we are, then that's what we should put in front of the town or the select board and then maybe the town. Yeah. Uh otherwise, I don't I don't know what kind of outcome we're going to get if we start solving different problems versus the ones that were brought to us. Well, I I think where we are, Mr.
Rubenstein, is that once this request came to us through the board, the select board and the town administrator for us to consider this adjustment and change to the uh to the zoning bylaw. What that does is it opens the door to
consider the entire bylaw and that's what we're doing. Okay. All right. I I get that and I certainly was in attendance at the previous conversations and meetings we've had and there will be more on our schedule as indicated in our materials.
Um but I do think if I recall this is another step in our process and there will be a formal public hearing coming up later this late summer, early fall. there'll still be another opportunity to chew on this. Um,
and and again, I I'm I'm representing a different constituency. I've never owned a boat, nor do I wish to, nor do I have a particular issue in my own neighborhood about it. So, I'm trying to stay purposely quiet because it doesn't actually physically affect
me. But I am trying to be sympathetic to where Miss Brida is coming from in her neighborhood, but also managing the fact that we are a board that has to serve the entire town of Yarmouth, not particular neighborhoods. And so I'm struggling just like I did during the ADU conversations, which were all very
cordial and all very thorough over very many months because we all live in very different parts of our town and we all came to the conclusion we're trying to address a Yarmouth problem, not a neighborhood problem. Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that. Well, in fact,
I I think that that's why we are um kind of opening this up to further discussion because the last time the board looked at this six years ago um uh what you know was a different time and different place um
and different planning board members. Um so uh I I think uh what we what our job is is to uh come to some consensus if you will uh on what we would like to
present to the select board and the public that's reasonable um that we think is uh reasonable after some um deliberation on our part. So that's kind of that's kind of where we are. But we do have we have some time uh obviously
uh to consider this again. Kathy, maybe you can run through kind of a schedule for me just so I know. I know we're up against the select board presentation just to let them know. We'll we'll brief them on what we did tonight. Um I don't
think we need to necessarily take any action tonight unless the schedule requires it as you you you don't have to take any any particular I just need some clarification. Is it going to be a situation where I present kind of what we had here on the draft number two but then also note that there's continuing
discussions on the planning board's part with regard to number of boats allowed and whether it needs to be seasonal in the driveway. I mean, what I think it really comes down to the number of boats allowed on the blot and then whether you know adding an
additional boat in the driveway is the appropriate measure or not. You know, I think we keep what we have right now is at least a baseline for open discussion. Then these were the concerns that came up in today's discussion. If we keep what we have right now and just add a
second sentence or that's a you know 401 whatever is 2 a and then add a b and says or you can park the boat in the driveway and just be silent on the number of boats then you're going to get as many that
people can put behind right the front face plus the driveway. Well one well we're still talking about one per lot. You choose which. Well, again, you choose because what I don't want to do is put a um a zoning
amendment in place that has a profound example of the law of unintended consequences. And this is, I think, the poster child for that. We're trying to solve the problem, but creating a much bigger problem. Uh, and just by way of clarification, my understanding was we
were we're contemplating this, we're looking at this because we had an applicant that actually lived in house with a circular driveway and he had no place he didn't meet the definition of driveway or and applicant could not fit the boat beside the side of the house.
My understanding and was and was leaving it in the circular driveway, right? Or leaving it in whatever you had, whatever the Thank you, Commissioner G. Madam Chair, the um the circular driveway was an example. It wasn't the problem. It
wasn't the one that brought it to your attention. So, the one that came to your attention is a result of having no way, literally no way. I went over the site plan with them. There's just no way it could fit beside their house. Cutting trees down wouldn't have mattered because they just didn't have they didn't even have 10 ft beside their
house to to fit it. So, they had a garage and it was it was a house that was built probably in the 70s. So, it's been there for quite some time. So, it really was a size and location problem. They just didn't have the space to do it. Correct. Okay.
Would this solve their problem? This would solve a lot of problems. Yes, it would solve their problem during the voting season. That's right. Because you have the the time there. They would still have to find some other alternative place to store the boat in the offse.
In the offse, which is not everyone. It's just a It's a smaller percentage. Yeah. So I can I think I think I would say this is where we were discussing and it discussed at the meeting this evening
the potential of limiting the number of absolutes allowed on an individual lot. It' be interesting to see what they say about that, but they're going to also ask, well, what does the public think about that? So, so the the first thing that I'm hearing,
um, and Kathy, you're repeating it, I think, is we're looking at this, uh, as kind of an open book in terms of the number of boats on the lot. That's that's new. That's brand new. Okay. So, that's brand new. Number of
boats on the lot. So we need to come to come some maybe consensus or not um because that will be a change to the basic uh bylaw because there is no restriction on the number of boats right the second thing is location
number of boats and location and the third thing is seasonality in terms of if it is a location in the driveway way that is not, you know, behind the uh the lot the the uh
lot line of the house. Um would we apply a seasonality rule to that? So those are three changes to the current amendment, current bylaw that are we're in discussion about. continue.
I I see that there is um uh at this point I don't see a consensus that's developed until we have some further conversation about this. Um and it would be good to understand from the select board which I think we should
take advantage of that when we meet with them on Tuesday to get a sense from them. So, do you want to present this at all or simply No, I draft two at all. I'd like to hear from the board. I think you're right, Julian.
Do we want to do we I I really need to have your help here. Um, do we want to present this as the red line version that this is what we talked about tonight and we have these three concerns issues that we'd like to address because Kathy and I have got to go before the select board
on Tuesday. So, I need some help here. What you want? Yeah, I think it I think we I think it's necessary we get there at least the preliminary thinking. I think we should present it. I should I think we should say we're continuing to discuss the issue of location, number of
boats and seasonality. So there is and we have reached no consensus. The planning board has reached because we're having continued conversations about it and leave it at that and then say to them, is there anything else we should be looking at? What do you think so far? try to get some feedback from them
because of what happened last time, you know, went fluid, everyone thought it was a great idea and the the suck said absolutely not. So we So why spin our wheels if they absolutely don't want to talk about seasonality? They think that's a, you know, they don't think that's a valid
concern. We do, but they may not. So if we can get some sense of where they're coming from, I think that would help us with our deliberations. Dearra, I think that it's to present it with the discussion is a good idea because I really I don't feel that it's easy to
resolve it. I think we we're all seeing it in different ways. Uh it certainly my neighborhood doesn't seem like your neighborhood and I can think of other neighborhoods that have very different attitudes toward it and so I think
getting more con more more opinions from the select board would be a really good idea. Great, Peter. I agree. I mean because they might just blow it up anyway. So we'll find out now. That's right. Right. That's a good point. And I feel the exact same way Peter does. You got to start somewhere. Yeah,
we've taken this as step two. Let's continue this process. We've told the concerns that we have address those as well and let's see where it goes. You know, but I think you got to at least present something and I'm okay presenting this. Thank you, Ken. Is that enough?
Cad will. Yeah, Mr. I agree. I mean, they the the reason why we exist in terms of proposing these kinds of amendments is to do some of this dirty work and then we present it to them and then we see where we go. And we still have some time, right, Madam Chair, left in the
calendar to chew on it after your meeting next week. We do indeed. And we Kathy has put her hand up. I just want to say that I think the things that we had talked about that are in this draft, those are not completely new ideas. We had talked about it
before. We had tweaked it a little bit to address the concerns that we had in 2019. If we're talking about restricting things to one vote, that's a whole another discussion. And I would not feel comfortable bringing that to fall town meeting. We do not have enough time to do that to to find out how many people
would be impacted, you know, how many people have more than one vote. Um, you know, and those are all the types of things that the select board would want us to be able to tell them. Um, so I think if this is a case where you're not comfortable with this ultimately and we want to go in the
direction of looking at the number, that's a longer process than what we have for fall town meeting. We're not going to make that. Yeah, thank you. I agree. I agree. But I think it's worth the wait to do it right. Get something that will actually pass.
Well, that's certainly always our intent to present something that's going to pass. I think it's worth if we have to take the extra time and get some data to support either, you know, one boat location seasonal. I think it's worth the worth the effort to get the data. Thank you for your candid. I'm just I'm
no just the thought of it because I know it would be asked because you do you need to find out and we would need a lot more public input meetings in order to to do something that drastic and it would be considered drastic to anybody who owns more than one boat. It would totally change you know how how they they're
doing things. They don't anymore. Thank God. But you know a lot of work too. Um you got enough on that cap to for us to work with? Yep. And um I think what we're what I'm going to do is um I'm gonna have a little memo with this stuff and if it's
acceptable to you guys, I'll just run it by Joanne before I submit it to um the town administrator's office tomorrow for the packet. Yeah. So Kathy and I will review that tomorrow. Right. It's got to be in the packet for close of business tomorrow.
Okay. Uh next on our agenda, I have um local comprehensive plan. Okay. Uh, not this evening. Why is that? Uh, this isn't a public hearing.
The other meetings have been public hearings. Uh, no, they've just been public meetings, but we have a lot of business to get through tonight. And I appreciate you being here, and we know full well your opinion on this, and we appreciate you coming. you've come to every meeting
when this amendment has been discussed. Um, you wrote me a note. I appreciate that. Uh, Kathy sent it along to me and we understand fully your position and we appreciate that. Uh, but we have a we have a a pretty busy agenda coming
forward. So, we won't be taking any public comment this evening. The public hearing is the next step we can go to. But I want to make sure you're not ahead of us because what I'm hearing Oh, no. We won't be ahead of you. Not to worry. All right. I'm hearing about the shrink wrap. You need to really look at
that. I think it's a wrench in the gears and it's a sabotage of the original proposal to put your boat in your driveway. And the other issue and I'll leave this with you with this. Putting your boat in the back of a yard is just
incredibly unfeasible. I'm sorry. We we again again goes to the to the podium and we hear him or not because none of that's being recorded. Yep. Yep. I don't understand. Well, again, we appreciate the hearing, but we come here and you encourage us to
come here. We did. And then I'm here and I hear all this conversation. It'll die the time I get to the car and I have to I have to articulate to you. You're the members. I understand. I fully understand. I don't think it's fair that we're being told tonight, but
Well, I I understand there there will be full public hearings on all of these. We have a we we have a lot of other business that we need to take care of in a timely fashion and I appreciate you coming and you've you've been very
you've been very articulate about your point of view and you've mentioned all of those things before in your letter to me. So I I am I am clear I have a clear view of where you stand on this. Okay. And I appreciate it again. Thank you for coming. Are we understanding it right? It's not
going to go in front of the selectman. No, it's we we'll be discussing it on Tuesday with them. Yeah, we'll we're gonna This is on the agenda for Tuesday. Sure. Okay. Let's go to local comprehensive plan.
Okay. Tada. Beautiful. A tight 155 pages. All right. Congratulations. Um I've done a lot of publicity. I've worked with Lori um Sullivan and Marcel
in our communications department. Um but I did send out information to you know to staff to send to committees and boards to the all the neighborhood associations including some up in um Yarmouthport which are a little harder to get to civic organizations like the chamber um the historic society Yarmouth
friends of Bass River the Rotary. I sent out a civic send little note to everyone who signed up. um all my email lists that I have for like Route 6A, Open Space and Rec of People that I know are actively interested in things going on in the town. Um there's a radio spot is my understanding that's going to be
going out. We have the flyer copies of it over there. Um we did send out give out a lot of those at the police night out la meeting last night. It was nice to see a bunch of people, a lot of younger uh demographics, so it was really good. It's on social media. We've been tagging the schools and we're also seeing if we can't get it in the
superintendent message. we have a news item and then I've also inquired about um portable message board. So hopefully we're getting the word out. I do have um three comments from people who have already read it. Um some interesting comments but um a lot of positivity uh
as well. So I think we're in good shape for that. Um I didn't know if you want to go through the the schedule a little bit. You had meant I kind of could cut you off on that before. Um, so as as we know, we're going before the select board on August 12th and we're going to talk about the draft LCP and we can talk
a little bit about the presentation uh in a minute and then um also the zone the zoning amendments that we talked about. Um and then on August 20 20th, you know, we'll review and see what the select board had to say. Um and then then we'll also review the public comments that we've received to date. I
like to keep up to up with them so that we're not getting a big dump of them at once. Could I just make a a recommendation or a suggestion u when the presentation is made Tuesday night to the board of selectmen maybe one sentence about why this plan is different from because one of my
neighbors said oh it's like every other plan will get put on the shelf not so with this plan this plan has got like a legislative underpinning doesn't it Kathy doesn't have something the state I think you should say that clearly to the residents that this this is a plan that is required by the state or
whatever word you want to use. It's not just us sitting around figuring out what to do. The state has said we have to do this in order to apply for various any kind of grant. Yeah. And I think that's what the citizens need to understand that that's why this is different from some of the other plans we have done that they you
know cynically say oh just gets put on the shelf nothing ever happens. That's not so with this plan. This becomes the underpinning for us being able to ask for grants and that's why it's so much so so important. I don't think a lot of people understand that. So maybe one sentence explaining that would be helpful.
Sure. I think um the implementation matrix is the heart of the document. Uh and the fact that we are going to we being the planning board, we're going to be looking at it annually and we'll be requesting updates from the various responsible partners on where they stand on this. And sometimes it might be, oh,
we didn't get to that because we were working on this other thing and look at the great progress we made on that. That's all good information to have. and then presenting that to the select board and also sending it off to the commission so they know that we're we're actively working on uh that implementation schedule. Um I think
anybody who says that that plans go on a shelf and nothing happens hasn't really been looking around the town of Iron very much. We have a lot of construction going on and those are projects that all started with being documented in some plan or other um starting from some study or other. So um we actually do get
a lot of things that happen um in our plans. open space and rec plan is a good example as well of all the things that have already been checked off on that. So, so anyway, um so the third uh so the 20th we'll we'll do that but the third will be the date when we'll have
basically all the comments because the public comment period is from August 1st until uh September 1st. Um, the warrant language, which isn't particularly difficult for the zoning or the LCP, is due, the draft of it's due on the 12th, and that's just something we'll run by
on the third. And I'll just email that to them to make sure that they have that information. It's not the final. It's just a placeholder. This is what we're thinking of. Um, and September 17th, we would have the public hearing on the zoning amendments and then, um, maybe we can do some deliberations and recommendations then, um, and then come
up with the final draft, um, of the LCP for public hearing. But what I'd like to know um on the third is what do you here are all the comments. Which ones do you think we really need to be incorporating? Which ones a lot of them you know a couple of them are like oh I think they're already covered under this action item or this action item because
it is a big document and there's a lot of information um there. So hopefully by by the 17th we'll feel pretty comfortable with a draft of this is the one that we want to um give the um public hearing on for the October 1st. And then I think we would also include
deliberations then to see um if there's any amendments that we want to make, if we heard anything new that we feel really needs to be incorporated. Uh and then October 15th, we'd really be finalizing that um for recommendation and send it to re recommend it and to send it to um the town meeting. And then
the October 21st is the last day for the execution of the uh special town meeting warrant and kind of have that as the presentation of the LCP and the zoning amendments. We may break that up. the zoning amendments may happen on the October 7th meeting or something. Um, but we'll probably need to the 21st on
the local comprehensive plan in order to get all that additional public information uh input and then incorporate it in uh as applicable into into the document. And then uh November 17th is special town meeting and then we all take a hiatus for two weeks.
Wow. Wow. I'm not even putting in a November 18th meeting uh or 19th meeting. We're not meeting before Thanksgiving. No. No. Um so hopefully if everything goes well on December 3rd, you know, we can just vote to to send it off to the commission for certification and
sometime uh in the early 2026, uh we'll have the public um hearing with the commission. My understanding is um from speaking with commission staff is that by the time you get to there and you've gotten through town meeting, they're they're they're your cheerleaders and they're very excited the fact that you
made it uh and through the process and they're very interested in in just giving accolades and being happy that you guys did it. So, I don't see that as being a as too heavy lift. I did send this off to um to Chloe at the commission to make sure she had like three things that she wanted to make sure that we had incorporated for
certification. She says she's going to look at it in the next couple weeks to make sure that we've covered it adequately. A lot of it was place types in the growth um the growth policy also having that annual um review incorporated into it. And there's one
other one I can't remember what it was but I know we added all three in. So we should be in good shape. So that's that's the schedule. A tight couple months here. I don't know if anyone had any questions.
Uh Kathy, you and I were gonna uh talk tomorrow about the presentation. Yeah, I know that at the last meeting Susan had mentioned, you know, keeping it as a um a much more overview of the draft because this will be in the in the
packet um and we don't need to go into as much detail on the specific action items and stuff like that. I think it was good the first time to give that, but I don't think we want to be going through that again because a lot of them are all the same and this isn't new information uh to to the select board. Um but maybe
just coordinating with again Joanna, you guys okay with Joanne and I coordinating on that PowerPoint presentation u that needs to go in um tomorrow and kind of trying to keep it a little tighter than the other one. Yeah. And the only other comment I wanted to make was that Kathy had received and she shared with me some
correspondence from um select board member Mark Forest with regard to public engagement. Um he had raised a a question about the month of August and everybody's away. Um Kathy got back to him and I
think we're uh we're we're good to go on that. Uh she assured him that there'd been significant public outreach. what he did ask for as part of our presentation on Tuesday will be what are the specifics of where the outreach has happened. I I I made a comment to Kathy
today that the Cape Cod Commission's RPP is out for the month of August. Right. Our local comprehensive plan is out for the month of August. The joint baits Cape Cod environmental study is huge is out for the month of August.
There's a lot of stuff going on in August and people are here. it isn't that people have left and they're not around um uh to make a comment. So, uh I feel very comfortable that the timing on this is just right and there's no need to adjust it at all. Um uh and and uh
and and I think select board member Forest is okay with that. So, we'll talk with him on Tuesday. The only the last thing was the format action items. We also had talked about um
as you read it, I feel like we jump into the pool, we get out, we dry off, and then we jump in again. Um and and it's it's just really just the organization of it. And I do think that after chapter
3 or part of chapter 3 um should be the targeted action plan should come right next to it. So because we go through the existing condition then we go to housing then we go to capital and then we jump back in to all those goals and targeted
items. And I I feel like that we need to move that back up to maybe be a chapter 4 cap to reorder the I was wondering if we couldn't just in have chapter 3 be existing conditions, key issues and needs and action and targeted action plan. I feel like you go
through we identify some great information about the community. We identify our key issues. We identify all the great things that we're working on that address a lot of those key issues and then you have to go way at the end in order to find out the target action items related to that very specific topic. You notice that when we were we
were developing the LCP, you saw all of that information together. It was only in the development of the draft where um the template from the commission has the targeted uh action plan as a separate thing later. Um so I guess if it's okay with you guys
and when I read it I kept having to flip back and forth. I did get one comment from someone saying there was some difficulty with the organization and and getting to the information that you wanted. Um I can ask the commission whether they have any issues with us. Instead of having a separate chapter, we
include the action item be behind each topic that we're talking about each element. So So that's that's a visual big visual change. So you you're recommending we not have a specific chapter but actually put the action plan after each um
right after each. Okay. The reason I'm comfortable with that is because then we're repeating it again. Yeah. Granted these are slightly truncated and you can get more details going in but you have it all here. The only the only thing is people I mean
the word targeted action plan is that that's a that's great chapter heading and people might gravitate toward the action plan and not care about so much the existing conditions and key issues but what are you going to do about what's going on here either way works for me. I just think I would not object
to just moving chapter as Joanne recommended moving chapter six up and having it as chapter 4 having it right after the issues and then the action plan as a separate chapter housing wouldn't make any right. Yeah. Yeah. Um I think maybe the idea is chapter 8
really is your targeted action plan and implementation matrix because this is this is it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it just it was just really hard even for me who knows things to have to keep, oh, where is that? And I'd have to, you know, scroll through and I can only imagine if you're only looking
at it online. Oh, I have to Yeah. Yeah. You bounce all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. So, you think it's better to have it right after each item, Kathy, have the action plan? Kind of how we do how we worked it together and worked it all together was we show showed all that information for each element. you know, wastewater.
Everything was together, including the the actions. The goal even I guess we even have the goal and the actions in there, though. Then it's everything. I don't know. Then maybe shorten the chapter 3 heading. Just say conditions, issues,
needs, and action plan rather than have a long chapter heading there. If you if you want to incorporate the action plan into the So what what C Kathy and I talked about is that after say I'm on page 21 as an example.
Yeah. Green wastewater management. We run through wastewater issues. We run through recent actions. Right. Before we jump to water supply, we insert key act key activities.
That's fine. Then we jump to water supply. Do the whole water supply and we do targeted action items. That's I think that's what we talked about, Kath, right? Yeah, that's that's kind of how I saw it going. And then you can do the same thing with the in the housing chapter and add that in there. Y
and then, you know, whether they make us call it something different, I don't know. I don't I haven't run this by, you know, um Jeff or anything, but you know, this whole information here might need to be included in that chapter eight where
you're talking about what's the targeted action plan. There's that preamble page. Yeah. Yeah. To it. Yeah. But it doesn't read very smoothly. I mean, I I I agree. I I felt like I was jumping in and out of the pool.
Um, so if I don't know some sense from the board about um, yeah, I'll jump in, Madam Chair. I mean, I'd be okay with in that format, you know, go just flipping back and forth. I do agree that you start bouncing around
within, you know, the 150 pages, whatever it is. Um, I do agree also that the chapter 8, the implementation matrix, maybe that heading gets changed and how we truncate that to, you know, tie back in. So at least all the action
plan stuff's in one spot and people understand that. Um I'd be perfectly okay. And I do just flipping around I totally see your sense that you're bouncing from one chapter to back to the it's like you know back when you're in high school trying to get the answers to
the test, you know. So not that I ever did that. Uh and and we can do this as we go through this. We'll see what the public thinks. you know, it's out for review now in in its current state, but I think this is something you I think to um kind
of elevate this to Jeff as a possibility. I mean, I think it's a cut and paste kind of thing. Oh, I Yeah, I don't think that that's I don't think it's Yeah, I don't think it's a rewrite of the whole book. I think it's just moving some Yeah. some paragraphs around. Yeah, I agree. Um Um but it just I don't think we can keep
it the way it is. I guess in my opinion feels too too truncated, but I do feel like we need to ask um the commission because their template has it separate um and make sure that it's okay with them if we were to incorporate it into
that section. Um I think we should engage with the with the commission, but not so much an ask, but a tell. Okay. It Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I don't think they're going to have any different No, I don't think so either. I I think
it should be more of a this we're feeling that it's not working and this is the way we want to present it. FYI, it's going to look a little different than what your template might have been in the for others. But I mean, you look at the you look at the born plan, it's like 40 pages long.
It's almost like a memo. Those poor people had gotten they were like almost done and then they did that huge change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. which is why they had to do that. We just need to do this bare tiny little bit to to meet the the certification requirements. So that's why it's all truck. No, that's right. Yeah. Okay.
Okay, I will do that. Great. Anything else on the plan? Uh great job, Kathy. Great job, Jeff. No, it was good. Thank you. It was good. Um uh next up, me meeting minutes. Um may
um Will, are you still with us? Did you have any comments? I didn't check in with you. I'm here. No. Thank you, Madam Chair. My favorite clerk. Um I appreciate it. May I have a motion to accept the minutes of July 30th, 2025? So moved. Second. All in favor? I I.
Mr. Rubenstein, abstain. Okay. Um committee updates. Rack or building? Library building committee. I definitely have a rack one when you're ready, madam chair.
Of course you do, Mr. Rubenstein. Yeah, rack away. Yikes. Um, once again, I was unable to attend in person, but I did spend the time watching the complete video, which I'm sure all of you will be thankful that I did. Um,
let's see. There is definitely a bunch of stuff happening. Um, some of the headline stuff hasn't really changed. The town is still working with D to use Bayberry Hills. There'll be pilot testing after the golf course closes in the winter to determine how
much water can literally be absorbed up there. Um so that's good news because as we all remember the permit we got from D was, let's just say disappointing. Um uh given that phases 1, two, and three are supposed to handle 1.8 million and the
state gave us a gave us a a permit for 370,000. Um, speaking of the plant, it is under construction and continues to go along at the appropriate milestones and pace. And if you want more uh detail, you can watch the video and they'll tell you
more. Um, I will say the town is putting up, I think, some uh time lapse videos every couple of weeks, I think, Kathy. I don't know if you've seen those. No, that's um where kind of like at the at the new park where they sort of show some progress and that's nice. Um, real
quick, under phase one in all the contracts, contract 2, Robert Hour, Old Main Street. Um, uh, they still have work to do, you know, after Labor Day, especially at the Pancake Man where that big pump station
is going, and they'll be resuming on C view a as well. Um, contract 3 is our friends from Ravoli. There is no work happening, as you may have noticed, in that stretch of, I guess, West Yarmouth. um that all that work is suspended till
after Labor Day and then they will be going back to Southshore Drive. There will be some repaving in the fall which is a part of the contract. It's not clear yet if the town is doing it or is doing it but that is supposed to happen this fall on 28. Um contract 4 which
Madam Chair is intimately aware of um is now installed and tested. Um there's still some conversation because of the proximity to the bridge and the fact that yes friends that bridge project is starting in September. Um the Bass River
Bridge is the question of do we completely repave it and repatch it now or do we wait with the DOT about to tear it all up. Um again when I say tear it all up all the underneath work, the deep down work is done. I'm talking about surface work related to the bridge and
that project is supposed to start this fall. So there's still some back and forth as to how that's all going to go. Um that is at least I believe I heard the number five years. It could be six years. The Bass River Bridge project. Oh. Um it is a big one. Um I see your face,
Madam Chair. I hear you. Um the power of Zoom. Okay. Contract five uh was finally awarded. Um the D put it to the big monkey muzza SRF which is where our $270 million sits. It's now been authorized
and now we're in the paperwork phase where you know it's instruction it's construction documents and now it goes it's going to go to the town administrator to sign and the select board. This is the area going from the Parker River Bridge to Higgins Croll.
So, as you can imagine, that is going to have a significant impact when it starts in October, November in that section of Route 28 specifically, as well as some of the streets around then. Um, that project is going to take, including summer shutdowns, uh, two and a half years. Um, and the reason why that
sounds like a lot is because there's two summers involved. Um by the time the whole part of that section is done, it will be in early 2028, which is around the time the actual uh you know, plant is supposed to come online. Um keep
going, you know, in order to keep going west in phase one, we still have the whole issue of contract six, and I'm here to tell you it is still on hold. Um, there are still quote unquote productive discussions, but as I may have hinted at previous meetings and was now confirmed by Director Colby, it is
very unlikely that project will start this fall. Um, it was supposed to, um, but it doesn't look like it's going to. And as far as how that domino affects other other concerns and other issues about the system itself, it's not clear.
But we have to trust in the select board um and their process along with the town administrator and the DPW working with those property owners to find either a new location or to settle on the location that was proposed several months ago. Um in terms of public
outreach, this is an important part I wanted to make. Um, on August 25th at 10:00 in the morning in conference room A, there's going to be a meeting with DPW, the school district, the school bus company, and any other interested
business owners and residents about contract 5, which is again from the Parkers River Bridge to Higgins Croll. So also the uh the folks from DGA construction will be there which is a similar kind of meeting to what happened in previous contracts uh specifically
Robert B hour. I can't speak for Avoi because they didn't show up but uh the good news is there is going to be some significant public engagement with the contractor in the room talking about the possible impacts as well as the police um like I said business owners property owners and that is happening on August
25th. Madam Chair, can I ask a question? Will we have a question? Okay. Well, just a question on that right there, which is great to hear, but how are we getting the word out about that public engagement because I think that's hugely important from the business standpoint in town.
I I hear you. I believe it's also being coordinated with the Armit Chamber. Um, and certainly the town administrator is is responsible for some of that work in DPW. It's not clear if that's an actual public meeting as opposed to a meeting that's being held at town hall,
if you know what I'm trying to say. Ken, I do. It's not an actual formal like posted meeting, but I believe the publicity to answer your question is going to come through DPW as well as the town administrator. Um, conference room A is very small. Right. Right.
I don't disagree. It's possible I misheard, but that is what I wrote in my notes. So Kathy, if you wouldn't mind, you know, just in terms of the minutes, if if I have misspoken, I apologize, but I do know it's August 25th at 10 in the morning. Um, and so Ken, I'm sorry if I
can't give you too much more info on that, but but the good news is this is an anticipatory conversation before the work starts in, like I said, October or November. Yeah, I I just think it's hugely important that we engage the business community in town after some of the
stuff I've heard in the last six months. So, I totally agree and I think it's fair to say and we all know this. One contractor behaved in a way that a lot of us appreciated at least in terms of being transparent and showing up and participating in conversations and one didn't. And so, the good news is is that
this third contractor, Dig It, um which we haven't worked with yet, if I recall, no. Um but has been awarded contract 5, um is willing to engage in the same way that Robert Bau was. And that's great. They're a great company. I've used them in okay my business world and they're they're
excellent company and also as it relates to the impact on the schools and the buses and all the other stuff. So there's there's a multi-pronged conversation that's going to happen at that meeting and it won't be the last one I imagine. Um uh and then madam chair the rest of the
meeting uh we started looking ahead and basically over the next 12 months the you know the issue of where phase 2 will be is going to be the majority of our work in addition to tracking and working with our consultants on the issues we've already discussed whether it's Bayberry
Hills and the other contracts as they get finished and hopefully including up to the award of contract six. Um there was a representative uh from the muck and I know we're going to talk about muck soon madam chair in our meeting but it all sort of dovetail with the conversation of
well how does how does the outcome of the muck impact the sewer uh progress because you could make an argument that without a sewer connection at the madak site it will lower the development uh potential of the site which is not an
unreasonable conversation to be had but again some of these timing um the time scales have to align. Uh the good news is we do have about a year to figure out sort of more detail about where phase 2 is going to be and it may or may not be exactly where we see phase
2 on the maps that we have now. And not only is that influenced by things like Madakis, it's also influenced a lot by the watershed needs and which wersheds we're going to be working on and how much
they can be, you know, ameliorated. In fact, that also dubtales into another thing which is select board member Mark Forest was there and that the Barnes County Freshwater Initiative does exist and as it relates to conversations about the future location
of any phase um it looks like with his help we're going to have a conversation either at the Armouth Conservation Commission or at a future rack meeting with the Barnes County folks with their staff to sort of talk about a lot of these issues about the location of phase
to now that we're in 2025 versus where we thought phase two might be when when this was voted on a few years ago. I hope I'm making sense. I know I'm a little bit rolling around. Is everybody okay so far? Can I Okay. Can I ask one question?
Yeah. Uh Miss Br has a question. Well, what what was uh contract number six is on hold. What was what are the parameters of contract six? What is the actual title of that contract? What was that supposed to be for? that goes from Higgins Croll all the way to the Barnstable Town line
on 28. Basically, we're moving west on 28. I thought that was contract five. No, five goes from uh Parker's River Bridge to Higgins Croll. And then this is from Higgins Croll all the way west to the Barnstable Town. Okay, got it. Okay, so that's the one that's being held up
by the pump stations, right? Okay, got it. Is that helpful? Yep. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Also, um, as it relates to just to tie back into one other in terms of public outreach, um, it looks like I predict there will
be a conversation, uh, way before April Town meeting, Madam Chair, in 2026 because with the findings that we get over the winter uh, from the work at Bayberry Hills, obviously because of the D decision to limit our permit uh, to
370,000 gallons, whatever design work and other kinds of work we're going to need to pay for as a town in order to use Bayerry Hills so that by 2028 we can you know discharge all this water. Um well the good folks of the town of Yarmouth are going to have to have a
conversation in April of 2026 at town meeting in order to pay for that work because that is not work that was bonded and you know and contemplated for 27 million 5 years ago. So to that end, there will be more public engagement for
sure over the winter after those initial tests are done at the golf course in anticipation of a conver a a vote at the April 2026 town meeting. M that's separate from the contractual public engagement. Go ahead, Ken. Mr. Mr. Smith has a question.
Just will just a question backing up one quick step. Yeah, please. on the discharge permit. Has there been any movement at all from the state? Because I know the whole discussion about the whole reason for that number was how much we can raise the water table by, right?
So, has there been discussion? Because my concern with that is they're basing that on a specific time of year. Summertime is going to be the issue when we have max flow. The rest of the year, we're going to need flow going into that plan. Sir, has there been any discussion at all from the state to say they're
willing to look at that number and readress it? The the good news is there's a standing monthly meeting in a working group with members of with representatives from our town and our consultants and D. That's how we got to some of this progress we've made at the golf course
as an alternative. However, um I think the rack committee and sorry, the rack and uh the town have made it very clear to Z that we're not happy about the am about the size of that permit and the
state has basically indicated we'll need some proof once we start flushing toilets and moving water into the system. So I I guess the answer is Ken, nothing is going to change until the plant comes online and there's at least
I'm gonna say with and I can defer to Jeff Colby probably one to four years worth of data. Right. I mean, my concern, and you touched on it, just to finish up on this, is I think Bay is a great alternative, but we didn't plan on spending that money, and
it's not going to be free getting water from Buck Island to Bayberry and having to go into the ground. I hear you 100%. And that is um the unfortunate conversation that has to be had in early spring of 2026 to the town
and the voters is the state of Massachusetts has decided something and we now have an unfunded mandate outside of the 207 million. And the question is what are we going to do about it? Because we need to start flushing toilets into this system in early 2028. And what's the plan if the town says no
thanks, not spending any more money at town meeting to do that? That is a fantastic that is a fantastic question and and I don't know the answer but it is my job as your representative and as I'm not trying to put you in the hot seat. I'm just trying to lay out all the facts. But I'm saying this is the beauty of us
as a planning board is that we are fanned out across the town hearing things and learning things hopefully well in advance so that we can be a little bit of a filter and and a little bit of a canary in the coal mine. Yeah. in some cases to say these trains are coming at us. And not to mention the
fact we have a library project that we're going to have to make a decision about. We have a potential and I do stress the word potential school project that we have to talk about. We have a fire department uh fire station we have to talk about. Um and none of that has anything to do with the 27 million that
we already have talked about. So now I'm going to throw in this planning at the golf course which will be many millions, right? Um, so I apologize, but the good news is we're hearing about this in advance and at least the the six of us and Kathy Yeah. and Mark Grills are now aware of it.
No need no need to apologize. I, you know, I think maybe all of us at some point should attend a a rack meeting and grill them a little bit more, too. So well well I will say and as you probably and Ken you certainly know there are representatives from the finance committee from the conservation
commission from myself as well as some very other sorry as as far as well as many other intelligent people who care a lot about the town. Um and I can assure you that we're all asking lots of questions and it certainly wouldn't hurt
if more people would interact with us and ask those questions. I mean, to me, you know, we got to finish phase one, and I'm I'm very concerned about the fact that we can't resolve this contract six because that is going to slow us down. There's
just no other way to look at it in addition to the other stuff we've already discussed with the golf course. Good point. So, appreciate your efforts, Will, and the whole rack committee is doing an amazing job. No. Well, thank you for saying that. Um, it is I'm really glad I've been involved and I appreciate you giving me the
opportunity and I hope I get to continue on this path because the phase 2 conversations also is where I think the public is going to start to hear from us and we encourage the public to start coming to talk to us probably starting in the middle to late fall because again where the maps are drawn for phase
phases 2 through eight is is not necessarily where those phases are going to be and that's not because anybody's doing anything unourred. It's because we still have to manage the watershed implications, not to mention the other implications in terms of future projects in the town.
Thank you. Um, that was quite a lengthy update, Madam Chair, but I we only meet once a month and I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to share. Thank you very much. Well, Susan, did you have a question? No. Oh, okay. Um, I did skip over muk. Sorry, Kathy.
On the agenda, skipped right over it. Didn't know if you had something. I apologize. the um my clerk reminded me about muk. They're having a meeting on Monday at 6:00 pm August 11th in conference room a
um where the uh consultant is going to be presenting the summary of the outcome of the workshop meeting that was held. We also have um a report from Catalyst, the architect, on some additional work that they did on the assessment of the
of the building, identifying um some different options and what costs might be in addition to just getting the building up to a certain standard, which was at 41 million. But what would it be if you wanted to turn it into like a municipal center or a bunch of offices? And what would you what would it cost if you wanted to start incorporating uh
housing? Trying to lead towards more of a and what it would cost to do the gym and the auditorium compared to new to try and get an idea of whether make some types of decisions with regard to whether this is building should be um incorporated or portions of it incorporated or whether we should be
looking at just take it down just taking it down. I think um the survey results was you know it was like 78% said either tear it all down or um most of it down and maybe I think what people were really interested was keeping the gym was the idea of the gym.
They wanted that indoor recreation space and they see how wonderful it's being used by the recck department and didn't want to lose that. So could that be better served in a nice new facility or x amount of millions of dollars to upgrade it and and keep what we have there. So those are the kinds of the things they're going to be discussing
and also um the consultant has also looked at all the information from the land use groups all that information from the workshop and they're starting to do some basic bubble diagrams or elemental diagrams like this blocks of this is where some housing of this density might be able to go and kind of
starting to look at these three different conceptual ideas uh concept plans that they would be then flushing out. Um these are just very very preliminary ideas that they're they would be talking about on Monday, but the whole idea is to give them some input and some guidance so that they can continue working up some con of the
conceptual plans. What what time is the meeting on Monday again, Kath? 6 p.m. in conference room A. It's remote as well. Yeah, it'll have to be with such a small room actually. Um,
at this point where there hasn't been a lot of there's been very few people coming from the public. Um, but I think we're now starting to get into um the de development of these ideas and there's obviously going to be a lot of other public inputs. There's going to be additional select board
updates. Um then there's also going to be an actual public forum to talk about the concepts before they kind of move forward to um presenting the final ones to the select board. Okay. I think by the end of the year. Um any any other staff updates, Kev,
from from your you have a CD CDC sort of update or anything? All right. Are you still the only member? There's one other two. There's two. There's two. There's two. There's two. I have to get a quorum with two. That's right. That's a great meeting schedule.
Right on my That's perfect. Madam Chair, could I ask Kathy one follow-up question? You may. Thank you. Has there been any update on the town's appmobile optimization of the town's website? I haven't asked. I'm sorry. Um I do I do
know they are working on the website and I think they would ask if you guys had any specific comments and I know that Peter, you had some comments. if you can send them directly to Paul Chaffy who's the IT director. They'll try and see what they can do um to incorporate that in. And they're also working on having a
projects page. So you kind of go to a project be a short little blurb on it and then there'll be a link to the web page. So you know the library building committee, Madaki's utilization, you know, even like the Parker River Landing, um RLCB, all of those things will be so people will know these are the great things that are going on in
town and then then Yeah. Um, in order to to get more information, I did hand out a lot of the cards last night that show all the different ways you can stay informed and people seemed really oh like, oh, okay, Instagram. And so there, you know, people were excited that there's a lot of different ways to get
access, but yeah, the app would be would be good. I can check on that, Will. Thank you, Kathy. Okay. Uh, just to look ahead. Uh we have uh Cap, did you want to say anything more about the the uh your uh police
night out last night? I know you No, it it was great. Um I had done up a a flyer for the Madaks. We have the flyer for um the LCP and then we uh Judy from the library building committee had her flyer. So we tag teamed everybody and said, "Do you know about the
planning projects that are going on in the Tony Yarmouth?" And they were like very interested. So people actually stopped. They took all our flyers. Was it well? Was it well attended? It was pretty well attended. I think it was a little bit more than last year. Last year was was weird because it was on the Saturday, right? They had to delay it, but um
yeah, it's a nice younger demographic. A lot of people with kids, so they were very interested obviously in the library and in a new library. So, it was a good synergy. Good energy. Great. Um again, uh uh Kathy and I will be presenting on August 12th to the
select board and I would um encourage any members of the board who can attend and join us. That would be great. Next week, our next meeting is the 20th. Um and I'm I'm guessing that uh we'll probably
have the amendments on that agenda. anything coming up and some of the com you had mentioned maybe uh a recap of whatever comments have come in on the LCP at that point right and what we heard from the select board. Okay, great. Um so I don't I don't have
anything else unless members have anything else at the moment. Okay. So uh may I have a motion to adjurnn and I need to do a roll call because a hybrid I think right I move that we adjurnn. Thank you. The meeting adjurnn. Thank you. I'll second it. Uh, great. Uh, Susan
Brida, I Deedra Gaquin, hi. Will Rubenstein I Peter Slovak I Ken Smith I Joanne Crowley I thank you