ho goodness gracious let's go all goes quick good evening and welcome to the February 19th 2025 Yarmouth planning board meeting I am Joan Crowley chair this is to formally advise that as required by
Massachusetts generalized chapter 3A paragraphs 18 to 25 and pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 an act relative to extending certain state of emergency accommodations signed into law on June 16th 2021 the armouth planning
board will hold a public meeting and hearing on February 19th 2025 at 530 p.m. the public is welcome to attend in person this evening or via alternative Public Access provided on the notice of meeting available on the toy Yarmouth
website I will Begin by taking roll call Susan br here deard gin here will Rubenstein Jim Savin present Peter Slovak here Ken Smith here Joan Crowley present seeing that we have a quorum present I'll Now call the meeting to
order and ask that you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and
justice for all thank you first item on our agenda this evening is uh to welcome our newest planning board member deardra gaquin deardra welcome we've we have we have been wanting a a seventh member for some
time well it's wonderful to join you all to meet you all and uh love the town of Yarmouth I've been a full-time resident for about five years but I've been coming to this part of the cape for most for all of my life and uh I spent most of
the last 50 years in Washington DC uh working with statistical data uh about towns and I have a master's in urban planning so I'm just delighted to see if I can be helpful to Yarmouth because I love the town well thank you so much
that's great thank you and I know you've been involved with other important committees study committee yeah the library planning committee La the last few years and um I helped a little bit with the open space and Recreation data section I hear that Kathy tells me it
was a little bit more than a little okay it was very helpful well that's good to know well thank you and welcome thank you first item on our agenda this evening is a public hearing I would now like to open the
public hearing for the planning board regarding the application to approve a private road name change I note the time as 5:35 following the protocol for public hearings I'll first read into the public record the public hearing notice that
was published in the cap cot times on February 4th and 11th 2025 hearing notice published in the Cap Cod Times on February 4th and February 11th 2025 public hearing notice y armouth planning board in accordance with the provisions of massachus general
laws chapter 85 sections 3A and 3B the armouth road name change policy 94-06 the Yarmouth planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday February 19th at 5:30 pm in the hearing room of the Yarmouth Town Offices 1146
Route 28 South Yarmouth Mass 02664 and via remote access or via telephone um at various sites uh on the town website uh and to change the name of the private way known as Harold road
to Harold Lane a copy of the application and Locust map are available for review at the planning department Yarmouth Town Office 1146 r28 South Yarmouth M Mass 02664 during business hours 8:30 a.m. to
4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday any person interested or wishing to be heard on this matter should appear at the time and place designated written comment ments will be accepted and should be directed to the planning board care of Kathy Williams Town planner at K Williams yarmouth.ma
us no later than February 18th at 5: PM Yarmouth planning board chair Joanne Crowley uh the applicant Janet drummy is uh with us by Zoom okay welcome Janet can you hear us okay yes I
can thank you can you hear me yes we can thank you thank you um we'd like you now to talk a little bit about your request for this the way that uh this public hearing will will run out is that we'll will'll hear your the applicant's
request uh Kathy uh Williams Our Town planner has uh a planner memo that she sent to each of us perhaps I hope that you've seen it um with regard to this proposed application I don't see any members of the public here uh but if
they do have comments or questions on Zoom we'll go through those first um and then if there were any written comments Kathy we'll go through those and apparently there were none uh then we'll you we'll go through any questions the planning board might have um and then we
will close the public hearing and the planning board will deliberate and make a decision on your request so why don't you open up and tell us about Harold Lane Harold Road thank you so my name is Janet rmy
um my husband and I have been uh home owners in Yarmouth for about um 42 years we have the home on Harold Lane for 26 years the sign has always been incorrect the deed says Harold Lane and um the Tom
the bills come in as haral Lane so we also it's a dead end so I was my original intent was to try to get a sign that said dead end and no Outlet because there is no Outlet it just goes directly into a private property and so I said to myself since I want those signs we might
as well get the sign changed to say the correct name so I sub submitted my request to Jeff Colby um about a year and a half ago we've been back and forth with all kinds of documents and then he told me it had to be sent to the
planning board so I spoke with Kathy Williams a number of times probably more today than any other day when I received the documents so um looking forward to having the name correct on the sign and to have
the dead end and no Outlet on this on the sign as well because there's just a lot of traffic on that street on where there's no place to go thank you uh I I did want to mention uh Janet that uh we are aware of the
back and forth and the Fairly long length of time that you've been trying to get this moving and um we really appreciate your patience in going through this it's probably been a little bit frustrating um but we're hoping to um act in a way that will be favorable
for you tonight we'll see um any any no written comments Kath no no no written comments any questions from emails of support that were included as part of the application from all the abers yes we saw those yeah um any questions from the planning board on Miss BR um is Jeff
recommending there be two signs or can you do one sign that says dead end and no turnaround or do you have to have two signs is he is is that the only thing that you guys are are voting on this evening is the name of the street name because you're responsible for naming or
renaming of private ways okay Mr sain yeah I guess which means that the subject of a dead end sign is not relevant to the planning board that's something that they can work with Mr Colby on that's right and I hope sh
you understand that um that Kathy told me that today yes thank you good I have I'm faor any other comments or questions that was pretty straightforward request okay um I'd like to then close the public hearing at 5:40 need a motion uh
may I have a motion to close the public hearing second any discussion all in favor I think I have right 540 keth okay um uh discussion among PL board members uh we have a motion that Kathy has
prepared for us uh if there are any other further questions or concerns okay um may I have a motion to approve the request to rename the private road called Harold Road in West Yarmouth to Harold
Lane with the condition that the applicant make all necessary changes at the registry of deeds with the address so moved second any discussion all in favor I
the p uh the motion passed unanimously thank you so she's gone can are you still here I am here oh good I could just instr we passed unanimously than very much and I think Kathy you have some paperwork for me Joanne's gonna sign the paperwork that
has the um order to change the name of a way um that does need to be recorded at the registry of deeds because the planning board the Planning Department Records show this is heral Road the assessor map shows it is heral Road even though the also the um field card calls
it Harold Lane so there's confusions all over the place so it sounds like the deed also says Harold Lane right at one point um as far as the planning board records were it was Herold road so we do need to formally get this um get this recorded I know that was a question that that Janet had okay thank you Kathy so I
receive something um from you yes and and would I mail it to you this the um Harold Lane Harold Lane or to your other address that's in the assessors right the other address the billing address please okay all right sounds good so I will I have something to sign tonight
Kath great so Janet we'll take care of that this evening before we leave okay thank you so much y thank you thanks again for your patience bye bye uh next on our agenda are with regard to committee assignments in our packets is a memo from Our Town
Administrator Bob rittenau regarding the Town's new um mCP uh post-grant award process this has to do with our libraries um a planning board member is to be assigned to the new library building committee uh given this new
assignment and the addition of a new planning Board member Miss gin I think it would be a good idea for us to take a fresh look at um our assignments um Mr Rubenstein is not with us tonight um and so I think I'd like to be I'd like to
ask you if we can postpone this discussion until our next meeting on March 5th he and Miss brda have expressed an interest in this and others may think about it as well so if we if um if it's okay with everyone I think it best to just um put it off until the
5ifth we're not under any deadline for that assignment are we Kathy no not to my knowledge uh it's just one more assignment uh uh uh Dedra if you don't know it all of us are members of other committees and some of us us are members
of several other committees um and it it comes with the it comes with the territory so we try to do an assignment of committees at least once a year um and then as members come and go we do some readjustments uh in
your packet you can see where um each of us are assigned now um and uh we're going to add the library building committee to that uh and uh as as part of that so we'll we'll put if everyone's okay with that yeah we'll put that off
till next meeting okay great um next on our agenda uh Kathy has provided um a fair amount of information about the new um Adu legislation that has now become a
regulation correct it is final uh and I wanted to ask Kathy to run us through some of the high points on how this affects us after all of our hard work over 18 months to try to get something that the residents of the town of
Yarmouth wanted this is a little bit different yeah so this is a CMR similar to things like the mass building code title five so this is something that um we have to regulate according to these regulations but we do have some abilities to have some conditions within
our local zoning bylaw as long as they are not unreason reasonable regulation and the and the actual promulgated um CMR 71 kind of goes through that a little bit I just kind of wanted to go through and kind of you all had seen the original draft except for dear um and then you had provided comments to the
state on those drafts and we got some wins and we got some losses and I just kind of wanted to go over that very briefly with you um with regard to um I'm just going to do it on here um with regard to um we do the ability to
limit um additional size restrictions so we do have a minimum size um for our accessory apartment so that might be something that we can can include and we can also um retain that um restriction with regard to short-term rentals um there under 7 71.0 to at the
bottom of the first page they did change the definition of bus station and it did eliminate those signaling uh the bus routes so we had some concerns about that so that was a win for us and probably for a lot of other communities who had concerns about um having a bus station equal anywhere someone can get
on and off of a particular bus uh on the next page um halfway down on the gross floor area we had some questions with regard to garages and they did clarify that garages are excluded uh and then they also did provide some additional clarification uh whether there's
multiple principal dwellings on a property because remember it's not just single families anymore it could be duplexes or multif family um that the gross floor area is based on the largest principal um dwelling unit there um going back down they they modified a little bit the definition of lot just to
make sure that uh people understand it doesn't necess it can it can be a non-conforming lot doesn't have to be a conforming lot modular dwelling units they eliminated that confusion that they had for the reference to Mass General law it really wasn't necessary so they kind of took it out just basically said modular dwelling units couldn't be
anything out of chassis but the definition kind of said that already by saying it needed to be on a fix to a foundation um Kathy can I just ask one quick question on that so when they struck a modu dwelling
unit not a manufactured home that that was um one of the questions that uh that the the planning board had had was just confirming that that means that um tiny homes on chassis and mobile homes are excluded and I think they realized they didn't need to
put that in at all because that's what it was saying but the definition itself says it has to be on a foundation already saying it's not on a chassis so I think they realized they didn't need that extra language which just confusing for people yeah um thank you sure so on the next page protected use
adus um there was some question uh before whether if you had an Adu on your property already but it was like 1,00 square feet so it didn't technically meet the definition of a protected Adu then you could still have a protected Adu in addition to that I think and this
is something we need to clarify with Town Council but my read on that is um provided that only one Adu on a LP may qualify as a protected use Adu so we want to confirm that this means only one protected Adu per lot whether it's an existing Adu that you're now calling your protected Adu or whether it's a new
one that you're putting on your property because you don't have an Adu there now um can I Kathy ask so does that still allow for two adus on a lot it does I don't think ites and this is a claric I
wanted to talk to Town Council about it Town Council did send this out saying that they had some concerns still about this with regard to applicability um so that's something that I wanted to um both Mark GRS The Building Commissioner who's enforcing all of this stuff uh and I were going to talk to Town Council I
didn't get a chance to get to him U before the meeting and what is the definition of a protected Adu I know that was in the definition section at one point but I couldn't find us that that what I just read was from the protected Adu it's on the top of like the third page
up here it's at the very top yep so it's just an attached or detached Adu that is located or is proposed to be located on a lot in a single family residential zoning district and is protected and is protected is protected from what by Mass
General Law chapter 48 Section 3 so the Dober Amendment provided that only one Adu on a lot may qualify as a protected use Adu an Adu that is non-conforming to zoning shall still qualify as a protect protected use Adu if it otherwise meets this
definition very confusing confusing I agree I agree protected from what was protecting the question the use by right use it's the byright use um so we did we did get a win on the single family residential zoning
District they eliminated the section there um that said um a single family residential dwelling would be anywhere where something's by right special permit variants or or other zoning relief or discretionary zoning is approved that would have meant it was everywhere so they did do what we had requested where we left it as
allowed as a right or by special permit um so that was somewhat of a win some other edits that weren't necessarily significant we get down to use and occupancy restrictions this really basically eliminates any current restrictions that you have on what would
be considered a protected uh Adu so we have a lot of our adus which are family related um we have very few I think it's three or less that are um affordable restriction um but those those things can no longer be enforced those restrictions so if someone had a family
one they could rent it out tomorrow to to anyone that they want do do they house and the Adu could be corporately owned is basically what that's saying they don't have to live in it and you don't have to live in it correct so that opens it all up
to and and does the the owner have to um legally I mean in the registry of deeds aren't they listed as family is is there some notation legally somewhere there are there are some some
documents that are recorded at the registry covenants with regard to family related our question was does this negate all of that that's recorded at the registry of deeds um we have to do no nothing to expunge that and that really wasn't answered other than them
making the modification to this definition so that's another question for Town Council I I I can see where someone who's trying to sell their property and runs through a title search m is going to it's going to be a nightmare if these things aren't well their attorney would then say that is
that's a considered a is that considered a protected Adu and it's covered under okay like okay can I ask another question enrollment in an educational institution I think that's new language I don't think that was in the original Oh in the original edits what
what does that [Music] why is that in there after familiar relationship enrollment in an education institution that's brand new that's a New Concept so someone must have called them and said we want college kids to be able to I
guess that I don't know what that means well you can't do it based on income or age or family relation or en in educ what does that mean why is that in there contingent you you can only stay in the Adu if you're enrolled at a school there
must be some place where that's happening in the state of Massachusetts imagine in the city of Boston it's happening yeah based on the characteristics of relationship between the occupants such as but not limited
to income I get that age enrollment in educ that I don't get at all could we could could the Town Council do a little research and find out why that's in there that's the first time that's been in there the income is just an affordable
it's seniors only um Family relationship I think that's yeah so the enrollment in educational instit he may not know what that's from that definitely came from some comments that were received and I think I think Ken's right it's in Boston where they a lot of these adus people
may be using them while going to school I mean c eat up a lot of rental that covers quite a bit too I mean Dennis was going through the whole thing with the um they bought the nursing home the nursing home was purchased by and it was protected under an educational use so
educational covers or protects quite a bit yeah it's another do Amendment protected on the zoning I don't think that that definition really was significant to us or any changes there um same with zoning
District page um they didn't change really anything of significance under the regul ations of protected use adus unreasonable regulations um I think they really did make a significant change at the top of
the following page um not there but a little bit further down under dimensional standards previously they had said that we could um any requirements concerning dimensional standards such as setbacks lot size lot coverage open space in the
bualan height could could be exactly as you have it for residential homes so that to me meant like our minimum lot size for residential is 25,000 so is it only apply to to lots that meet the current minimum lot size but you'll see that they add they took out lot size and
they added that uh additional um provided that a municipality may not require a minimum lot size for protected use Adu so that means protected use adus are allowed on any lot size and this is really done for you know Boston and all those other places
where um they probably have very very small uh lot sizes so we can still require the dimensional standards so if you're adding on in order to put in uh an accessory dwelling unit the use itself
is by right but you may trigger a special permit or something else if you can't meet the current setback requirements the minimum setback requirements in our zoning bylaw again that's something I want to confirm with Town Council um so there may be people who are still getting caught um with
special permit because they they need some they have a super small lot in their non-con pre-existing non-conforming lot or non-conforming structure but they need to scooch into the setbacks in order to have a secondary means of egress or in order to to build something if do EBA provide a
relief for a setback previously would that relief also apply going forward to an Adu a change of use I think I think it would unless I don't know there's if there's some special permits that specifically say I believe
is a condition that the garage cannot be converted without coming back right I think that might be something that's governed but if you had something that was a garage and there was no restriction on it you could probably convert it as a pre-existing non-conforming
structure as long as you're not doing anything more non-conforming yeah it's it's could be interesting BR that's a really tough one because more non-conforming just take it from a SE a septic situation you know still have to meet Title Five still have to meet title five requirements and you
know if you make something that they get a variance for setback there's no variance for sewage setback or septic setback so we get sewer then it that's a totally different story but the residential side it's going to be a while before they see those yeah so you
know I think there's you might be able to build it but can you you know can you put a septic system in as a whole separate subject and that can't you can't get away waiver for that either no that's my point how far away are we for seing south of 28 all those little 5,000
sare foot Lots it depends on what phase two ends up being do we want to go south the 28 or do we want to go north and start hitting some of our zone two areas where we know we have some issues with think that's something there's a plenty but we need to start looking at it because we can't use septic as a as
an excuse to restrict zoning because now they're going to have seing so I think over the next couple years we better start trying to figure out how we're going to deal with that because once it starts coming then it's going to be except it won't be an excuse right
exactly I think a lot of the the parcels south of Route 28 are in a flood plane as well so if you're converting something in your existing home you're probably staying below the 50% but if you were trying to create a new Adu you might have to make sure that that meets
all of the standards which could be very expensive with regard very difficult right so that's something that again might impact difficult as one would think okay um the the next item down there just indicates that we can't the town
can't require separate utilities for um the Adu um and then moving down they added something at the end of the page there are number eight historic districts they basically said that historic districts can have stricter requirements
but as long as they're not considered unreasonable um which I was surprised to hear to see that um must have they must have had a lot of um comments on that yeah especially decide what's unreasonable yeah zb8 the
courts courts ultimately I would I would think so the process would be that we'd go through the zba and then appeal to the courts after that if you didn't get what you want yeah well this the historic districts it's Old King High old King's High Highway which is different I mean that's not zoning board of appeals that has their own rules and
they do yeah um the the next item nine was a little con this was talking about pre-existing non-conforming structures a municipality may not prohibit the development of a protected use Adu in an existing structure or principal dwelling or lot due to non-conformance that could
be used for or converted into a protected use Adu uh in conformance with the building code to me not prohibited means Allowed no but that's the question to town not prohibited um doesn't does that
can it be a special permit prohibited to me means it's a variance if you want to do it not prohibited so so that's another question that I had for Town Council what does the not prohibited mean I talked to Mark about it briefly and he said yeah that's when we should run by J allerman and see
what he has to say on that one I agree with Susan with that not prohibited to me means it's allowed yeah I think in zoning terms not prohibited prohibited means it's a hard no right operative means it's not a hard no it's a yes it's double
negatives well it's allowed but you got to get a special permit right that's the way it's allowed but you have to it's not allowed by right right that's the question that was a tricky little not prohibited question yeah they like to do
these weird double negatives in in this type of thing um so going down on the next page a little bit oh um short-term rentals municipalities May establish restrictions of prohibition on short-term rentals our short-term rental section specifically says ineligible are
accessory Apartments so we say in a different section than this that you can't um have that so that that's good that we have that in place already uh special permits for multiple adus um a municipality can choose mes to allow
additional adus beyond the one on the same lot as a protected use Adu and it must be done through special permit we specifically limited adus to one per lot right this sounds like one thing that we could keep that and simply say in our part of our zoning uh bylaw that we're
limiting it to one uh one unit they also talked a little bit more about flood plane and for protection overlay districts that you can require special permit for development of protected use adus in flood planes or Ro for protection overlay if required for the principal dwelling we don't have
anything other than um building code and a Conservation Commission if you're doing in the flood plane and that particular use really wouldn't have an impact on our oer protection Title Five obviously has its own set of rules that would would govern a lot of
that um and then of when when you sorry Kath what about the zone two for us and that act I'm just saying that still applies oh okay yeah all of all of the state and federal and they actually state that in here very clearly fire regulations building codes Title 5 all
still apply marks been saying people have been coming in saying yeah building code doesn't apply the the affordable homes act told me I didn't I'm like and he's like no that's not what it says it says the use is allowed you still have to adhere to all these other requirements and I think that's the
confusing part for people the whole statement by right right um people think oh it's a wild wild west freefor not it's just the use that's can't be can't be regul and also the the the narrative that's developed because of this they
mix use with with um you know requirements they mixed they've mixed use with dimensional requirements and things like that so there a there's a lot lots of times a conversation starts us as a use conversation ends up as a dimension conversation and that is
confusing to to people um but the whole thing is confusing but just because the use is allow doesn't mean how you've designed it on your site is allowed by exactly y um and of course number seven they they want to make sure that let you
know that you can you you can certainly adopt um regulations that are more permissive so you can say five feet from the property line um and I'm sure there's some no sidey setbacks yeah like right like 10 foot instead of 20 foot or
whatever you could do that to to if you were interested in that as a community and trying to tuck them in in the back um and then just saying a lot of the questions had to do with well how do you address these and they just need they're just clarified that it shall be addressed uh consistent with the most
current address standard Publications our engineering department assigns addresses in in combination with police and fire so this so it could be then one two three main street and then the Adu is 123a I'm not exactly sure how they do
that okay but they will be different they will be distinctly different so that the fire department will know when they get a call which which structure they need to go to or the Emergency Services the side of the building that's on fire I know I said Emergency Services after I realized that because I'd like to think that they would see what the
problem is there it came up actually in in um a homeowners meeting that I went to uh that had the the people have Beach rights and the beach rights are tracked by address not by the owner and the question came up if they do an Adu will
the Adu have eligibility to use the beach oh that's interesting yeah and the I thought and I had thought because from I think one of our discussions ages ago was about me and I thought I sort of recall I said I thought they were going to have two different addresses and if
they have two different addresses only the address in the homeowners association is allowed to use the beach not the Adu but that was just me thinking G I remember talking about this but that could be a big issue with with Beach asso M most likely that's going to be like
Corner Lots where it's 123 Smith Street and the other side of the house it's ABC Jones Drive right yep I think it's mainly it's to keep the confusion from emergency responders that
type of thing I think you want to go to room a so um and then data collection yikes um estimated value of construction they're asking for a lot of data um and and this is something that you know Mark will
have to see what what we can get out of opengov and and making sure that that somehow this data is being collected with opengov so we can run a report on just adus and it's all all the information they need is there and they've really changed it to oh you have
to provide it if requested versus you have to submit it annually so I thought that was interesting um like building Commissioners don't have enough stuff going on the one thing that I don't think was truly answered in any way was the question with regard to separate ownership in my opinion they're called
accessory dwelling units so they need to be accessory to something accessory to the principle so that I would say and I would run this by Town Council but I think our no condominium isation no separate ownership is something that we should still continue so we have some work to do
planning board has some work to do Mark and myself and Town Council has some work to do they're supposed to be working up we really couldn't have done anything until we had these regulations and I know that a couple other towns are trying to do I know Dennis is trying to get something um and obviously barnable
has much more flexibility with town with the Town Council form of government um but this is something I think we we would be looking for for fall uh special town just to make it easier for Mark it might be a lot of work to get people to understand why we're changing the
bylaw we can't get this all done in a month no no can I just this red line version was submitted by the state correct these are all their all right so I would have to assume that anything in here advantages the state not the
municipalities um the restatement of things that we're allowed to keep at things we already had they didn't give us anything new well they backed down on some things like the definitions a whoop big whoop um but yeah I mean they were
really I mean the first comment I think we had was that you're really expanding the jurisdiction of that affordable homes act with your definitions and I think they kind of heard that loud and clear and they did kind of back off and realize that I don't know whether that would
have would have sustained a legal challenge based on what was passed based on some of the definitions and the expansion so um so so more work to do with with that for special town meeting Kathy can I just ask a question sure you touched on it I was going to ask about
it you said that have it ready for town meeting what are we having ready for town meeting in the fall a revised um section of the zoning we would start calling it accessory dwelling units instead of accessory Apartments um but then I think you're going to just like the building code
you're going to be referencing um this CMR very heavily with the following exceptions and these are the things that we specifically with Town Council have agreed uh is not unreasonable to regulate in yarm reasonable to regulate
did you say or unreasonable that's not unreasonable to okay not unreasonable okay reg negative you that's reasonable to regulate with the basis of putting this back out for a vote at town meeting yeah because I mean as we all remember the vote was pretty close last time yeah
eight votes eight votes yeah that's why I was saying is like we have to do some work to convince people that we're not we're just trying to mesh our regulations and keep what we want we're literally keeping as much as we possibly can but so that's where I'm going with
all this is we keep everything we want we bring it to town meeting in the fall and it's voted down then what happens uh then there's just a big ugly section in our bylaw that's unenforceable okay the one we passed last year would be
unenforcable certain sections of it like owner occupancy unenforceable requiring two parking spaces unenforceable so really these are administrative edits to our existing bylaw based upon the that's what I was trying to understand Jim yeah I think if we approach it as these are
administrative edits uh to conform with the the the Commonwealth's yeah although there the impact is hardly administrated I mean the impact is enormous mhm oh yeah the whole I mean but there's nothing we can do about that I mean well I wouldn't say that there's never nothing you can do about it we can always you know I but I
think Ken's got a real good point remember how we the community really did get involved with this and there were a few um Notions that the community would would very adamant about one one of course was owner occupancy so that we wouldn't have the corporations going in
and buying up a whole side you know a whole side of a street that was one of the unifying things that everyone thought was a great idea now that doesn't hold anymore um and I don't think if we can I mean we could always try to make the argument but I think the response from Boston is going to be
you're one of 301 communities and you know what I I can't micro manage this to a point that we're sorry but this is just the way it is I think that's going to be the response you're going to get but I I think my bigger concern is that um if we don't get it passed uh at town
meeting a lot of our bylaw is basically un enforceable so um we've we've got to try to work to to get that message out there that this is why we need to do these but um the other question I have is how many we You' mentioned Mark is already getting uh inquiries is he
getting a lot of them um I'd have to double check with him but it definitely picked up yeah it definitely picked up oh yeah because it's the wild of it and he said a lot of I I spoke to Mark about it like a week ago just was curious and he's had a fair
amount of requests already just you know people are staying informed to this you know yeah but again they think they can do it without meeting building code so they're not that informed well the information that's been put out there is like you said it's the Wild Wild West people think they can
do whatever they want well when you hear things like you whatever size lot you have you can build on it if you if you can get the set that is the Wild Wild West let me ask you something how difficult now Jim you've been around a long time maybe you know the answer what do you mean in terms of listen to how
difficult if if worst case scenar it does not pass and we're left with a bylaw that's unenforceable um what does that mean for the town I mean what kind of a burden does that put on like Mark and the does that mean they have to go to zoning to get relief does zoning still play a part
they does is mar then forced to issue a permit I mean how does that do work what would happen is would work with Town Council to identify what portions of this could reasonably be enforced and what would need to be struck and Mark
would use that along with the CMR to make his ruling if somebody disagrees they could appeal the building commissioner's decision to the zoning board of appeals and if they upheld it then they could you know um appeal that
and that's how things might get to the court systems um but I think Mark's trying to be you know he's always very fair yeah but I think working with Town Council we would literally Redline it so to speak his version of it what he would enforce and what he couldn't enforce um
I think it's how we sell it to the public how we're bringing this back to the floor it's going to be a had sell because we had a lot of people that knew and supported the the final product right and how do we say to them no we think it's a good idea that g can come
in and buy up your entire Street yeah I think one of the things we need to do is once once we don't say it's right Madam chair I think um once Kathy can identify the changes we can then identify what areas we're going to have push back on and be able to to
discuss those in detail by right special permit obviously is a you know hey wait a minute so once we know what those details are that we have an idea we're going to get push back on then we can educate the public the pros and cons of those I think that's kind of where we
need to just kind of wait and see what you know Kathy puts together for changes and then we can talk about how we can who thought we were going to be doing educational lessons on adus again you know I know yeah I think the one thing is if it's by right um it might only be
a majority it may not be a super majority so that helps us yeah okay we can take advantage of of you know organizations that can you know I why I was L was I was on a zoom meeting
with housing assistance Corp on um advoc advocacy and how the sausages made at the planning board level but um those types of organizations are the ones that we can certainly reach out to and um assist us in getting those changes of
support message of you know of support for what we're trying to do okay next on our agenda uh is an update on the local comprehensive plan um as you all know and Joanne has has
heard the wonderful news that we had a very successful um community meeting on January 29th I've heard nothing but positive things about it people were very energized I think some of the reporting out that we got was very interesting comments uh I'm not going to get into that a lot tonight because um
BC group is working on compiling a summary like they did for the openhouse that should be available for our March 5th meeting and we can go over it more detail I just wanted to give kudos to everyone I thought everyone did a great job uh and it was really well attended
and um well reviewed great by chance did I don't think we actually asked it but did we make note of the demographics of the PE I mean we had a great deal of people participating but I was kind of curious after I left what the demographics were you know what is there
a um I are we reaching anybody under the age of 50 yes yeah good I I I know that in our group um you know it's not it's still I mean our average age is 55 so
that's that's the average age of our constituency so to speak but I know I had some younger people in my group in the other room I know there's a young woman who has a business who was in one of the groups um so I hopefully tapping in a little bit to the schools has helped us um we've had a good
relationship with them um has helped get some some more people out about it but we don't have any statistics on that that's a great turnout though yeah it was a really good turnout my my group was half north side residents and and half South well yeah Susan you were with
my group um and you know half Southside but under 50 no not at my group not mine either half from my neighborhood like go sit somewhere else anything else on that Kath nope thank
you um next up M use committee yeah lots of things going on on that um the housing group has had the fortune of being able to use Barrett planning as part of a Regional Housing um initiative
where we had access to 30 hours of a consultant which happened to be Barrett planning is a very well-known uh well established firm but uh Karen green had a great idea of hiring them to do the economic section to facilitate the first three meetings of um the economic
section for the Muk so um they had their first meeting um with the it was just the chamber in businesses it wasn't with cedc on February 12th um I think they they asked a couple different questions but obviously what what were some of the
things that um are priority needs for the businesses in the chamber and they're talking about nothing that we haven't heard before you know enticing you know younger people different generations to come to the cape you want to increase our commercial tax base we want to have more shoulder season events we want to have more things for people
to do when they get here and then concerns about Workforce uh and seasonal housing when asked what might be the best uses for it um there's a very strong support for some type of sports complex with indoor outdoor sports fields that can Al be a Convention
Center this will really um something because they were really looking for something that could draw people year round and draw a younger crowd year round and with a lot of these youth youth tournaments you are drawing a lot of young people I know that's something that Jim was interested uh in to so it
it seemed to be very well supported uh Paul nit wikii who's the uh Cape Cod Chamber of Commerce was also in attendance and he reiterated that there's really a big gap on Cape Cod for that right now that was really reiterated in the recreation uh Muk meeting that happened um that evening on
the 12th um where all the different leagues and groups came together I was astounded with the number of programs that are out there I don't have young children but um just an astounding and having access to an actual indoor gym has exploded their programming they I
think it was over a thousand kids in the last year have just been using um the the mataki site the in the indoor gymnasium they even used the um um some of the band rooms in the back for crafts and you know different types of of programming there um and then we also
talked about the different needs for fields and how they have very limited access to the actual fields for uh for soccer baseball even softball senior softball league um and that there's also the need to rest Fields occasionally so you can't just keep wearing them out um so when you have even one field that's
being rested the the number of fields in the town of Yarmouth is very very low so their emphasis was more on uh generating more um recreational facilities for use by town and the town residents or maybe in combination uh I know that they do do
um some students with Dennis also have been participating in our programming uh as well so there's a little bit of a Different Twist there was it is it some type of sports complex that some independent person comes in and generates that somehow we get to retain some type of access to or is this a um
Municipal recreational access asset that we then rent out uh field um time to different groups and and that type of thing could be could be both housing was a big part of that conversation though too I listened to this today on the way back uh in the car listen to the meeting 10 a.m. meeting
last week so I mean the first four people first four or five people I mean housing came up a lot yeah Workforce and seasonal housing housing for J1 um year round housing so I mean it was it came up quite a bit it was a big part of it yep I'm sorry if I didn't mention that
that was Workforce in seasonal housing was certainly one of the things of priority needs that they did have but I think people in at least in the chamber in the business were like if we could create an awesome Sports Complex here it
may be worth having all of that together on one site and look for maybe some other locations uh for housing if there's not the ability to to do all of it together one other thing is the um they are doing a field and facility assessment uh the recreation department so they can
identify what their actual field needs are uh and that's being done by Weston and Samson who also did our open space uh in Recreation plan so hopefully even though there seems like there's a lot of fields in town a lot of them we don't have access to because they're at the intermediate school they're at the high school we don't have any access to that
for our programming was the was the B summer baseball league part of that conversation were they no they weren't at all because that's there a big opportunity right there for the summer baseball league have a contract I think with the with the school system to be able to utilize the field I think at at
our this town meeting isn't there some money to put a right to expand the field yeah yeah yeah I think they're pretty entrenched with playing right at DIY and probably not interested in I mean I don't I was with the the short time that I was on the the recreation I know that they always wanted to have um some of
these summer tournaments and the reason they couldn't was we did not have a whatever regulation size field they need which would be a great summer activity to generate income for the for the during the summertime have these you know they have these tournaments and
players come down and so they I would certainly be interested in their opinion um maybe someone could senior softball was a huge thing which I was surprised and they I I have an employee Kathy that's going to a senior softball tournament in Iowa in August and there's
700 teams from around the nation going to this one tournament out in Iowa I I don't know how big the complex is I have nothing to compare it against but there's a huge need for this and I think there's a huge Revenue driver for the town and I'm glad to hear that at least
they're thinking about something like that I'm on the open space mck committee and we're having our first meeting on Thursday and or no excuse me next Tuesday and uh I'm looking forward to at least expressing that piece of it that I'd like to see something happen like
that it's a huge opportunity to I mean no town on the cape has an opportunity like this um to develop a property that can be beneficial not only to the town but to the county as a whole Ian Brewster had their property but they don't didn't do anything but for the
people of Brewster um if we were look at you know Recreation and and I mean we don't have a Convention Center anymore we don't have a place to to put 10,000 people that's right um so um I think if to my line of thinking you know th those are the ways you need you can always
find other places for housing and uh seems to be that 300 units on new 28 seems to be some people's answer but um yeah and and don't scare anybody off Jim I I don't believe we're looking to place put 10,000 people in one spot no no I don't misund but but I do absolutely agree with you that there's an
opportunity there for a venue of some sort that would be a revenue driver not only for the town but for the county too completely agree with that Jim now whether we run it by the town or we PRI hire a private Corporation or something to run it that would be a whole other
issue preferably me let somebody else run it and just give us a check you're putting out what I'm saying yeah let somebody else do it and I'm assuming give us a check that's right and Jim I'm assuming you're talking about like an all year round thing like we could have hockey tournaments things not just
summer stuff I don't think you need you know ice we have ice on the cape and Facilities I'm talking you yes year round indoor Fields there's indoor field hockey there's indoor soccer there's a facility up in marble my daughters both my daughters played field hockey and
they would play indoor field hockey and you'd go up there in the middle of January right and you'd be amazed you know if anyone finds your in the marble area swing by I don't remember the name of the complex now but it's it's an amazing complex but we be promoting a 12mon a year round sure yeah you could
have indoor pickle ball you could have basketball tournament anything virtually anything you do out do and I want a field you can do indoors virtually anything Kathy one thing Bill Scott was at the meeting he mentioned I think it was you know we'll have to run sore up to to make anything work was there any
more discussion as to when or if or no I think um I think he is looking at things like Mass Works grants for the possibility of extending the sewer and infrastructure up there I think it's a function of what we ultimately settle on if we settle on something really small
we may not want sewer but if you have something that has a higher demand we want to protect our wells we might want to bring bring sewer up there so it's all a function of of what gets decided ultimately maybe you can answer this
question Peter that the CD CDC and the Chamber are on Parallel tracks and then you guys are going to come together for a single CDC chamber I mean I'm looking at the calendar that there's a
Reconciliation and that so I um let's say so so we we tried to make the first me meeting worked together and it didn't happen so they had their meeting separately at 10:00 a.m. which you say do you mean the chamber or the chamber chamber in the business community so
we'll have a meeting we'll have our meeting cedc will have the meeting um couple weeks and I believe they're welcome they're certainly welcome to come but I think it won't be until probably the third meeting when maybe the all the ideas are funneled to
three I think that's the goal what are the three ideas that the committee is going to put forth okay so they're they're they're parallel I suppose but in the end it will be
a uh Cooperative CD cedc chamber proposal or is the chamber going to have a separate number one and you're you guys are going to have a separate number one the way it was described you know the committee the groups come together the people and everybody and it's supposed to be three there's only going to be three ideas that come out of it
out of that group right okay but I think that's the same for everybody right just three ideas from every group I believe yeah it's just that the P the chamber is involved where the other committees like I'm on housing right we're just housing right we don't have hack in there we don't and maybe we
should uh because I know there's been some been invited they've been invited they have um well that's why I mean that's why I mentioned the housing because it was I mean it came up quite a bit and I understand why there was you know Hotel people restaurant people so you know the housing part of their business is is a big you know need and
concern but I mean it certainly um housing isn't part really of the economic development although it is it's it's sort of more of a um maybe point for the housing committee to make yeah but just to be clear housing is not
Economic Development housing is housing Economic Development no it is no it is I mean in this town it's become we tend to conflate them but if you look at it from a money point of view right housing is not economic development housing is housing it can be part of an economic
development discussion but it shouldn't be considered Economic Development because it really isn't it does not create Revenue one of the I think it's a spoke in the wheel you know without it you don't get if you don't have housing to to to you know house your employees then you don't get economic deel we've
been talking about housing employees for 50 years we' P you know look at Route 28 look at all the spots in 28 that even 10 years ago Jim were in housing for for employ now everything is housing housing housing there's no conversation about Economic Development um and the housing
is you know is is not it's oh I don't disag I I mean if you look at the 300 plus units that we're putting on 28 how much mixed use have we I and maybe that's on us to say hey no we we want you know when the Cavalier comes don't
you know say okay you don't have to have mixed juice um we say no you will put mixed juice in um but again when we start looking at future I think we talked about this before what is the future of the business Community you know with technology today and you know
retail do you want to put a a shopping center in there where nobody goes shopping so I think that's part of the discussion that as a community and I think this I think what's very important is with the LCP we can start to get some Visions as to what people want we all well at least
I'm dead and gone but and I just you know the housing part of it is you know the what is it the housing assistant no Housing Authority has 18 Acres behind you know available for housing right so why do we need to
put housing here Road hor road yeah if we have already have places it can go or should go oh they're also talking about the school out front of madis eventually rolling that on the station have I look at it this way is a great opportunity for housing right there
too oh yeah I mean there 708 70 Acres 70 Acres 70 Acres so I mean with the right Vision you can do a little bit of everything there right you can still provide housing and still do you know your sports fields and and and even the convention type meeting
facility could it could as you say it could be a spoke of the wheel but I don't think it should be the Hub I think this should be an economic development opportunity of which housing plays a role but it is not a housing development project well so it's Susan I really
think this is as you said we've all said repeatedly this is about the last big chance this town is going to have to develop something that can could generate revenue for the town it can change the whole yeah so we're we're we're at 92 the vision we need to develop
Economic Opportunity in this town which will create jobs good paying jobs so that people can buy houses and we can stop the conversation about let's do subsidized housing uh if we we have people have good jobs they'll be able to buy housing um and that part of the
conversation does not get enough attention um but this is an this is an opportunity that we'll never get again no I think if we do it right you know one of the things that we talked about was the town lacks an identity if you will um whereas if you would do this in
a way that I I'll use because I still think it's a great idea is the the sports complex mentality taking advantage of all the the recreation facilities we already have in place adding this on top of it well now we've got an identity as a recreation meca of
some sort um and it starts to give the town an identity that right now I think our identity is mini golf and Pirates pack the water packet mini golf and of course we're we're going to get the drive-in site in there is a that is
called Pac r a landing thank you um but that's the kind of thing it's you you you do it piece by piece but you know the the con ation on this site should be way more focused on economic development than housing and not to put a fly in the
ointment but it took us 18 months to get accessory dwelling unit bylaw done I know imagine what's going to happen when they come up with the final suggestions as to what no matter what it is it's going to be a war right I don't care
what it is not everybody's going to like whatever you know you know they say the you know living in a free societ Society does pay you pay a big price for that oh yeah and this is democracy people are going to get an opportunity and something will shake out oh yeah and hopefully the vast majority will agree
with it meeting minutes no I'll say d miss those I think to just a quick comment on for on Peter's comment is um I think some of the other groups like with regard even housing
they even commented on how they felt that the gym and the auditorium had a lot of benefit to the town and they would like to keep it so if there's other things that aren't necessarily your view that you think are important I think there's like even a place on the form there to talk about those things and I know that the housing committee
did do that the housing committee went on a tour and we got we weren't supposed to get inside but we did I I I couldn't make it uh but the report back at at the housing committee meeting people were amazed at um first of all the condition of the gym in the auditorium isn't so
bad which I wanted to just make one comment about the axios report I was disappointed they didn't they didn't look at each building yeah looked at the systems they looked at the electrical systems the Roof System whereas if you looked at
buildings AB B C D and D an E I think there's five plus the gy gymnasium and Auditorium um they were amazed at the condition and that they're being used the auditorium and the I mean the gymnasium are clearly being used and the
um music room so those segments of the building appear to be less deteriorated than the rest the rest is apparently a mess um and I was disappointed that they didn't they didn't segment the building
into the buildings I think the muck had the same comment I just you know I think they there still an opportunity to um to look at it in more detail one of the comments I had was you know well if it's going to cost x amount of money and then just just to let you know that the
building assessment has been completed and it is on that madaky utilization project website on the town website is okay yeah um I'm sorry I forgot my train of thought they had nestman in there that
to you know renovation or upgrade would be like $41 million and did not include ADA requirements but it also I was like okay if it costs $41 million to bring it up to just to B level that doesn't mean then you would add all the costs to turn
it into housing or all the costs to turn it in into office but what's the cost to just demo that building that's not inconsequential see that should be that's not and and we're we're working on that I think they're trying to con they're trying to Steward the very limited resources that they have um so
they're kind of doing things little little pacem meal um but you know Roby who's part of the Roby White House who's the assistant DPW director and she does the all of the demolition and construction waste she's like that's a concrete building that's not going to be
really easy a to take down and then B to get rid of is there asbestos in the building I'm sure there's asbest enormous cost to built in 19 let's say something yeah 60 something well I was the first seventh grade class there so
it almost might it might even have to be tented to contain the so that's something I think they're going to be looking at a cost for for demolition so you can compare it may cost this to to fix it but if it cost half of that to demo it maybe that changes the thoughts a little bit on what to do with it Kathy
do you have any idea of when the municipal group is going to meet no but I did mention your name to Bill and he did say he did acknowledge that you're on the team meeting because we have a lot to say yeah I I'm not privy to when that is this is the group will be involved will
involve the first meeting only these issues are not are the purview of the select board so I think that they're talking about you know does the library go there you know who is this the municipal group
yeah I think I'm talking heard that have met you haven't met I'm just saying this is the type of things that will be discussed oh okay okay Li in in the in the project website on the town website which it there's a link
in our minutes uh in our uh agenda and I went into it all of these updates are in there what Kathy say saying it's all part of the teams update that bill put together and what the what the various teams are doing um Recreation is working
on with a consultant for a Fields plan well that'll be interesting to see what they come up with um but Municipal looks like it's being deferred to um some kind of wait for the selectman to tell you what to when to have a meeting that's
the way I'm reading it why would they think that no no no I think they're going to make I think they're going to meet and have some brainstorming session but I think ultimately what they're saying is any any municipal use or or entity that would go there is that the
purview of the select board to we get that we get that that does that should not stop the committee from meeting oh I don't think it is you're you're right they are going to C right we're not going to clear what we say with the board we're going to give it to the mck people that's what we're there do I mean I I I I apologize it did say establish
possible ideas for that for the municipal group okay um and you may find that you get the all the different you go down from the brainstorming to the three ideas to the one idea that could be bigger and smaller version of that same same idea
and it may end up one gets picked over another and and something may not happen at all based on a group um or may may try some options they want to come up with three concept plans after you all the muks have come up with their proposals Muk team members have come up with their proposals they'll have three
different concepts that are going to be developed we are working on hiring the muck consultant the proposals are in and I think we're narrowing down um on a consultant for that is is there an FP out for that yet it's already opened bids have been opened so it's still an
active negotiation so I can't say but it's looking good okay uh next um no meeting minutes no um any committee updates see sorry I was I always feel like I
have my back to that's okay uh cedc special events last night we had a new one I know a lot of you have some cedc experience but we Cultural Center got some money um but we also had a a bike ride a new event coming in and I can't remember the name of it so I feel
horrible but it's it's in September no that came up but it's something different it's similar to um the last gasp MH oh it was described to me as similar so um I hope they're not riding down Route 28 um smuggers Beach to Smuggler Beach
and sort of an 8 Town um sort of race track like a relay or no relay I mean different different different um you know there's maybe a 10 or 20 20 mile 50 I forget what the the distances are but um so September
they're they're looks like it's going to Happ can they end up at the drive-in site would we end up at smugg beach smuggers beach start and end at smugglers in one day oh great yeah and it's on a Sunday to and it's in September so perfect yeah so that was the one new thing I thought I think
they're the old version of the last gas it just doesn't exist anymore doesn't exist anymore right right right this is I think they ran with it and this is um I forget what it's called end of summer summer summer something like that got my wife yeah on a Sunday on her
shoulder hit by a car in last gas that's how we got together uh M did you hit her do you have enough I do um so the property located at 696 Route 28
formly known as previously known as the drive-in site um the board of Selectmen in a vote of 3 to2 um agreed to reconsider and then change the name to Parker River Landing um so and the other thing I want
to tell you is that it's still not too late to buy a plank uh go on the town web site and you can buy yourself a nice little plank 24 characters less uh $350 for individual $450 for a nonprofit and $550 if you own a business and it's a
great way to uh memorialize somebody or or yourself great and Kathy can probably tell you more than I can about what's going on over there www. yarmouth.ma us SL planks planks with at the end
there is also by the way a a drone if you go on the front page there a you can click on a I don't know how old that is but it's yeah there a lot more has been done since then it's pretty cool I actually drove in there one day last week I know I wasn't supposed to but I drove down
the road it's they've done amazing work they really have you can actually walk in because I've walked in if you think you're going to get start just park over at Captain parket just walk across the street yeah we're not pushing that one it's an active construction site do not
encourage I'm not encouraging people to do that we will have a a grand opening ceremony and then you can all go walk it all you want but stay away from that anyone else on committee Madam chair just capital budget just as a heads up we're meeting tomorrow to finalize our
plan thankfully and have it ready for bard of selectman in their first meeting in March okay uh staff updates or any correspondents Kath um yes Route 6A Village centers um one of the
things that kind of came out when we were asking for some additional design uh funds at the special town meeting was that some people felt like a wide range of town was not aware of some of these meetings that we had so we have advertised uh and try tried to get U put
it you know more social media getting the word out that we're having a meeting next Wednesday night the 26 6 pm here in the hearing room to kind of go over uh the concept designs for the Village Center which is really from gingerbread Lane to just east of M of Minden Lane uh
kind of where the banks and the um Lighthouse Keepers and those types of businesses are are located um we also did meet with um Sarah corff who's the historic person from the Cape Cod Commission as well as John Stewart who's on Old Kings Highway trying to get some ideas of making sure that when we're
making these improvements um to live in our Modern Times And and address these functional issues that we're not doing anything that would make it uh too j Bing from a historical context um and I think a lot of it is is in relation to the materials that we end up choosing um
uh for things so we're going to talk a little bit more about that at on the meeting on on Wednesday as well as present kind of the information that was already uh presented very well with the local businesses and the residents in the area but now just kind of opening it up to um a wider audience in the community in general and see how they
feel about it uh only because I did pay attention to the most recent Kathy um the crosswalk at hallets yeah say that yeah it's it's going to stay there um I think
that that's something that we can talk about a little bit more uh and one of the things I've asked the um consultant to include is a little bit wider aerial because there is an uh crosswalk that was put in just west of Vesper Lane uhhuh um so if we're going to move that
one a little bit further down maybe it's just west of gingerbread Lane and that might be something that might fit in so I think right now we haven't changed that but I think that's something that we would like to get some input on how do you feel about It ultimately Mass do there's standards with regard to setting
up crosswalks and the location and site distances so they'll have some say in that and you also kind of don't want to have a bunch like three right together so if we can kind of make sure that they're somewhat paced out in a particular way then that's certainly something that's still open for discussion it might help with turning movements from in and out of Sandy Side
Lane as well I I just remember the comments I gu I think it was at um special meeting yes yeah when the when yes that comment has been made quite quite a bit and and that's certainly something that we can we can work at but we did get the funding um and we are working with with um VHB in order to
come up um we're going to have a pre-meeting you kind of have like a a meeting with all the Honeycombs at Mass do and kind of get their input of kind this is what we're proposing how do you all feel about it uh so that they can work up and do what now is called a pre- 25% design plans which we're really kind
of hoping at that phase we've kind of solidified some of these things not not just um I mean materials would still be up in the air but definitely things like where the crosswalks would go and that type of thing and that's certainly something we want to keep moving forward so kind of try and finalize that um so that's my one staff update and the other
one is um we did have a kickoff meeting uh with UMass Donahue on the short-term rental study oh good um so they're going to be their first thing is actually just kind of collecting a bunch of different data uh on on the short-term rentals that we have in town um and and also
doing an analysis from do as well as this thing called air DNA where you can kind of figure out a bunch of information uh and look at that and they're also going to be doing some interviews with um different different town staff maybe some different organizations about about that um and
then they probably at that point we'll want to have some type what was mentioned was having some type of Workshop meeting um and that might be something where the the planning board gets invited um as well as you know a bunch of different organizations kind of get everybody and the select board together to kind of talk maybe a little
bit more in detail about the results of the data uh which you would would love the data um and then so then we'll we'll have that and then their next step is to like looking at different um different ways that we might be able to either mitigate negative things that we've seen
or enhance positive things that we've seen and that type of thing because we did extend our short-term rental bylaw which does have a sunset Clause extended it through November of 2026 I'm hoping that this document here this final document will help us a lot with how we
um how we might make any changes to it or whether we want to just continue with what we have um so good work's being done there and that's probably something that's going to happen um the workshop might happen in June and maybe the final report by October so they're working fairly quickly I know it was very I'm
sorry Peter I just know that they did great work and really helpful for province toown and you know by having them do this report promis Town decided to put a cap on shortterm rentals which really all came about because of this report that came back it was really eye
openening so will their data include the address of the Str license they got the information from do which does include the actual addresses but that doesn't include things like uh you know how much they rented it for so that's where the air
DNA kind of comes in to kind of get an idea of how it is and they're trying to break it up into West Yarmouth South Yarmouth and Yarmouth Port to kind of see which parts of town might be getting hit a little bit harder I know that was something that the planning board was looking for if they have the DOI revenue
from a particular address you can figure out how much they basically were getting for a rate because you can just back into the number just take the tax rate so Madam chair could I ask a quick question do you do you know if they so one of my Curiosities has been how many
people purchased properties and then made them short-term rentals is there a way to look at purchase date and you know cross reference when somebody applied for so say I applied for a special permit for a short-term rental can we look at that
special perit and look back and see when this person purchased the property I'm always curious to to how many people are actually out there just buying them up to make them Rue yeah and I think that would be a good you know that that's a little harder to identify I think what they they are also looking for some
information from the Assessor's department so they can find out um you know what's the mailing address so they can at least figure out whether somebody is a full-time resident or not how many of these um I think what we were kind of hoping to get at and I'm not sure if
they can do that but okay are these kind of things where this is a second home owner who's using it in the shoulder seasons and renting it out during the summer to to kind of get some little incomes so that they can have have that or is this someone coming in buying up
this property specifically as some type of as a commercial entity uh and that's one thing we're trying to get to see if we can't get enough information in order to kind and glean a little bit from that because it it should be very simple for them to say all right here's a special permit I mean
all they do is look at the property record card it says the date of sale there's no special permit I mean in the license the license to get whatever that's where it's not special permit yeah I I think that gets a little bit difficult because until open gov came in which has only been active for like a
year they weren't racking um short-term rentals any differently than a seasonal rental and a lot of times people don't understand that I'm renting my short-term rental out all summer long so I'm seasonal no you're not you're a short-term rental even though it gives
the definition so how many people are actually hitting hitting the right box so it's trying to to to mesh all of that information uh and unfortunately I think moving forward we'll have more information on our local level from open goov than we've ever had in the past but
people need to put in the right information too again I just think it' be an interesting to see how many people are you know the we're always concerned about the investor well maybe it's the you know doesn't exist yeah well every property owner can be an investor I mean
that's that's but I mean typically if you saw that somebody purchased a home in January and then four months later they put it on on on the market to rental then that kind of tells you hey maybe this person they bought it for but that's still that's
that what does that mean I mean it just it just well it tells us who who's buying for investment purposes versus somebody's buying it for you know like my my condo that I have it's I use it to ski and then I don't use it all summer long but the same and the same logic
actually will apply when we start looking at adus how many people are buying a place with the up you know now that you don't to rent it and then put an ad you want it and get more rental that logic you know using really estate either as housing or as an investment is
it just a big policy issue every Town's got to Grapple with um because housing does two things it's an investment plus it's it's a place to live so Kathy will now that they know the address and you mentioned they're going to work with the assessor's office
will they look at the assessed value as part of their analysis of each property I I don't know exactly how detailed they're going to get into that they love the numbers so I would like to think that they would get as deep as they possibly can in in analyzing that the
whole purpose is is to find out what's happening and then what's the impacts of that because I my point my my thinking is is that if if you find a large percentage fall within an assessment of we know what the median sale price is in Yarmouth so but if it falls within that
whatever the range is 4400 to $600,000 which is a firsttime home buyers range right then then we know the impact they they're actually taking properties off the market that's a good point that's a very good point that's a very good point yeah I I will relay that to them that's
a really good point Kathy who's the point person managing this contract um Mary wagan it's actually being funded through the affordable housing trust okay and it was actually an item um in the uh housing production plan y a strategy on the housing
production plan so Mary's in charge yeah but we're working Karen and I are working no yeah she's spearheading a lot of it she's doing a great job anything else Kathy can I just ask one followup question this is an old business question do you remember when
we had the people here um that were doing the old Main Street uh doing the street and there was a lot of talk about the trees y um and they promised to come back at some point and give us an update they I think they came back I did
look at that recently cuz somebody maybe they were going to submit did something in writing about what you was going to put together a group to meet with the the residents before he started planting new and the residents were going to be on that group correct yeah do we did that happen no no no has not happened
hasn't happened yet they have um I think two years yeah still doing the still digging up the street okay they have two years from when we did it and I think it was last May that we might have done it and then the trees need to be planted three years from or a year after that's all everything's done but yeah no that's something that's definitely I have a
little tickler my calendar on that and then of course my favorite is great Island yeah no um yeah something's going to happen because the the the they're going to do something with the sidewalk because you know the pipeline is coming down there
and the Street's going to take what is it Jim what is it what did we hear the other night 10 feet on either side so it varies by property it varies by prop we heard we heard 10 ft right it varies yeah that the presentation they gave at
select meeting right that was 10 ft on either side they're not taking just a 10t strip on either side that's what we were told that's the impression I got well then they've changed their RightWay plans because there's some there's temporary easements that will be needed for like
grading and stuff but the permanent easements kind of they only taking what they need to take they wouldn't want to take 10 ft when they don't need it I Trail through the whole thing as well so yeah on the southern side is it and then and they increased it maybe it's just 10 speed on the southern side the bike
path I I was under the impression was 10 ft on either side as well I was too which I thought was pretty excessive right that's not the preliminary right away plan show unless they've changed their their thinking um but there's
there's the taking and I say and then there's like a big chunk for temporary and a lot of that is okay you have a curb cut we need to get in and grade into do your curb cut so it's it's been that presentation even though planning is not part of that
project um was very Illuminating I you know I thought oh my they're doing all this stuff and the basically the planning board doesn't know what they're doing because it's it's it's a highway project but it is drastic what they're doing from East Main Street up to Camp Street it is a lot a roundabout not a
rotary it's a round we corrected several times but the the um the impact on that strip is going to be it's going to be dramatic oh yeah I mean Chris gy did a very good you know exp how are people at H Park going to get out of their
neighborhood uh because you can't get out in onewood now as it is and when you make that like a Speedway um plus I don't think they took into account on the on the north side of that street from East Main to Camp Street there are 11 there are eight curb Cuts getting
into the businesses along and that's less than a quarter of a mile Street going to be a right turn only they one of the conversations was they were going to make it one my street or right turn so as you come out of Camp you cannot turn on to you have to turn right on to
28 you cannot turn left the new um that store that used to be the painted furniture store the unpainted furniture store right there mill store the former mill store to make a left out of there now is going to be almost impossible because I think the rotary is going to be right there in front the roundabout is going to be right there in front of
them um I don't know you know how developed these plans are or whether we still have an opportunity or the town's got an opportunity comment but some of the the some of the suggestions were really you were at the meeting too I think you heard some no I was sick that day and I
didn't get a chance to go but they already had their 25% public hearing yeah so they're moving towards 75% absolutely and and I was sitting there saying oh wow this is really dramatic um so what's going to happen is West uh
wendwood way and bav which I grew up on they're just going to go through the back way and come out by the hospital they won't try to take a left turn anymore and that's exactly what neighborhood doesn't want they don't want to they're not going to stop it that's what people will do it's like water seeking its own level but it was
really uh a very Illuminating presentation about what they're going to do um the the turning radius at the round about how are you going to get those huge trucks even Doras I think said something about how am I going to get a bus through there uh so I don't know they all seem very pleasant they
all seem to know what they were you know what they but I don't think they actually ever stood on 28 looked at the traffic between that light and Camp Street they just didn't seem like they had a practical understanding about what goes on there
because it you no roundabout is going to solve the problem of eight left-and turns off 28 and less than a quarter of a mile and those are active you got the coffee shop you got the the tattoo place the mini golf place the bakery and the
gas station mhm and then on this end you got the language store and something else there's something else next to the language language store uh and then the light and they're going to put a rotary in there it just seemed like I think like in la la land we shall see yeah I mean I just
don't know how it's all going to work but they claim it's everyone loves them okay so anything else motion to adjourn yeah motion to adjourn please so Move Motion all right all in
favor any opposed thank you all