I might need them. >> I'm here. That's what the clerk >> recording in progress. >> The clerk's job. >> Good evening and happy new year and welcome to the January 7th, 2026 Yarmouth Planning Board meeting. Uh I am
Joanne Crowley, the chair. The public is welcome to attend in person this evening or via alternative public access provided on the notice of meeting available in the town of the Armouth website. I'll begin by taking roll call. Susan Brida >> here. >> Dearra Gaquin >> here.
>> Tom Pendleton >> here. >> Will Rubenstein >> here. >> Peter Slovac >> here. >> Ken Smith >> here. >> Joanne Crowley present. >> Seeing that we have uh a quorum present, I'll now call the meeting to order. And I would like to ask you to join me in
the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisibley and justice for all.
I'd like to make a preliminary announcement for those of you who may be joining us uh virtually. Uh we have been requested to postpone uh and have a continuence of the public hearing section of this meeting this evening which was the second item on our
agenda. So I thought I would uh let you know that we won't be doing that um until our following meeting. Right, Kath? Yeah, the January 21st meeting at 5:30 and you guys will take a formal vote of that under that agenda item. >> Okay. For the continuence
>> for the continuence to the January 21st planning board meeting 5:30 town hall hearing room and by same exact remote access. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh so the first item on our agenda this evening is the approval
not required for plan number 2487L. This request is from Thomas A. Gru Jr. 353 Weir Road, Yarmouth Port, Mass. Assessor Map 126, parcel 42.1.1
located in the R40 and APD zone zoning districts. The ANR creates a non-buildable lot from a portion of 353 Weir Road for conveyance purposes. Uh John Demerist, I believe, is is here.
Kathy, right? Hi John, welcome from Deeris Land Surveying. Uh he here is is here this evening representing Mr. Gru on this request and we'll present the application for endorsement of this ANR. So please please join us.
>> Yeah. >> No, you can do it right here. Sure. >> Uh good evening again. My name is John Demerest from Demer Lance Vay representing Tom Grrew. Um what we have here again is a basic lot uh that was
created in 2013 which we've cut another lot out of that is strictly for conveyance purposes. The original lot is left with um enough square footage uh frontage and shape number um to make
that an conforming lot. And as stated in the notes on the plan, lot number six is not considered a buildable lot. >> Okay. Thank you. Any any uh Kathy, would you like to run through your comments on your planner memo?
>> I didn't have any issues with it and I recommended that you guys endorse the ANR. >> Any questions issues from board members? >> Okay. So, uh simply con for conveyance sake. Correct.
>> The back lot, lot number six. Yes. >> Yep. >> It doesn't have adequate frontage. Anyway, it's not considered a buildable lot. >> Okay. >> Uh so, may I have a motion to endorse ANR plan 2487L
prepared by Demorous Land Surveying and dated December 30th, 2025. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Pass unanimously. Thank you for coming. We appreciate it, Mr.
I forgot to bring the myar. If you guys want to start the next one, I'll go get the myar and then you can sign it and John can take it with him. >> Awesome. >> All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> Have a good evening. >> Thank you. Bye. >> Bye. >> So Kathy, do I need to read the public
notice or I need to >> do the need to open the public hearing officially? Second item on our plan this evening is the public hearing definitive subdivision plan 61648H modification two. I would now like to
open this public me hearing of the planning board regarding Brian D. Basler, trustee of the Brian D. Basler Living Trust, and Marcy Elbasler, trustee of the Marcy Elbasler Living Trust, for property located at 63
Thatcher Shore Road, Yarmouth Port Assessor's Map 122, parcel 24.1, located in the R40 zoning district. I note the time as 7:37, uh, 5:37.
Uh following the protocol for public hearings, I'll first read into the public record the public hearing notice that was published in the Cape Cod Times on December 23rd and the 30th of 2025 and mailed to a Butters on December
19th, 2025. In accordance with the provisions of Massachusetts general law, chapter 41, sections 81T and 81U, the Yarmouth Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, January 7th, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the hearing room of the
Yarmmouth town offices 1146 Route 28 South Yarmouth Mass 02664 and via remote access at the website on the town website uh via telephone at 3017158592 and entering webinar ID 898-3641-5124
to consider the following definitive subdivision number 1648HH modif ification to owners and applicants. Brian D. Basler, trustee of the Brian D. Basler Living Trust and Marcy Ca Marcy Lbazzler, trustee of the
Marcy Elbazzler Living Trust. 46 Minutatxic Way, Yarmouth Port, Mass. Property location 63 Thatcher Shore Road, Yarmathport, Mass. Assessor's Map 122, parcel 24.1, zoning district R40
residential. The applicant is seeking approval for modifications to the previously approved definitive subdivision 1648H and 1648HH modification one. The requested modifications include
increasing the maximum center center line grade, reducing the roadway roadway cross slope, eliminating the drainage swailes in favor of vegetated shoulders, and allowing for a drill hole set in a
rock to serve as a boundary monument. The proposed modifications are shown in the plans entitled definitive subdivision plan of land in Yarmouth Fort Mass prepared for Brian Sullivan reality trust dated May 5th 2017 and
last revised on October 3rd 2025 and roadway as built plan of 63 Thatcher Shore Road Yarmouthport Mass prepared for Brian Basler dated October 15 2024 and last revised on June June 30th,
2025. All plans are prepared by Daniel Ojala, PLS of Down Engineering, Down Cape Engineering of Yarmouth Port Nass. The requested modifications do not change the roadway layout or the dimensions of the single lot created by
the original subdivision plan 1648H. Copies of the plans and application materials are on file with the planning board and may be inspected Monday through Friday between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. in the planning division office of the Yarmouth town
offices and on the town of Yarmouth website. Any person wishing to be heard on this matter should appear at the time and place designated above. Written comments will be accepted and should be directed to the planning board care of Kathy Williamstown Planner at K.
Williamsy.mma US no later than January 6, 2026 at 5:00 pm. Joanne Crowley, chair Yarmouth Planning Board. So, so um we did receive um this
afternoon an email from Priscilla L. clerk from DownCape Engineering indicating that Downcape Engineering respectfully requests a continuence to the January 21st planning board meeting for tonight's agenda item definitive subdivision 14 I'm sorry 1648H
modification 2 for 63 Thatcher shore Daniel Ogula is not well today and will not be able to attend this evening. So they're formally requesting a continuence of this hearing to January 21st. >> So Kathy, we need to have a motion. You
need a motion to continue the public hearing for definitive subdivision 1648H modification number two to the planning board meeting on January 21st, 2026 at 5:30 p.m. in the town hall hearing room and via remote access. >> So moved.
>> No. Are you moving it? >> Yes. >> You made it too easy. >> May I have a motion to close the public hearing? >> No, not yet. No, no, no. >> Oh, it's it remains opening. Yeah, >> we have to vote first >> to vote to just continue the hearing. That's
>> a motion in a second to vote on the >> continuence. I got it. Okay. May I have a vote on the continuence? All in favor? >> Okay. So, we're not closing. >> No, no, >> no, no, no. Sorry about that. >> This was a newbie for me. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. I'll learn. Uh so moving on, we'll just go to the regular part of our agenda here. Um and we have some meeting minutes we need to approve. >> You want to talk about MADS first?
>> Uh oh, I'm sorry, Kathy. Uh yes, let's do madakis. >> We um the muck is having a meeting tomorrow night uh in conference room A and via remote access and we have five conceptual designs that we're going to be looking at.
um that show a little bit more detail with regard to how specific buildings of the correct size and the amount of parking that we need uh and the different fields would be laid out. Um the five scenarios take into consideration really what the um what the land use teams as well as the survey
and the community meeting and then the update with the select board of really emphasizing a sports complex and how could we lay that out in different configurations on the site along with housing from the housing um land use uh committee as well. and then also um preserving open space and then of course
having at least one that had an identification of an area for continuing with the school should that be necessary. So um they're they're online as part of the packet for the meeting if people want to look at it and they're certainly welcome to tune in to the meeting tomorrow uh night just kind of get an idea of what what's being
proposed. This is the first time the muck seen it so they're going to be looking and having comments on it. uh we may need to have a supplemental meeting before uh giving a presentation to the select board at the February 3rd uh select board meeting uh with the goal of getting their input and then making any
revisions necessary and then going out to the uh public and having a community meeting on February 25th. Um and then once we get that input from the public then the muck would kind of take that information compile a report and re their recommendations to the
select board and then they would give a presentation to the select board a date to be determined. Uh but then that the muck would kind of be done at that point and then the next phase would be going in using the mass development grant that we have and starting to look at the more financial feasibility of a sports
complex looking at things like doing a survey a real um uh resource boundary mapping out there. Doing some some traffic analysis so we can see what we might need to do to mitigate that. looking at the sewer a little bit more detailed and also looking at the zoning because right now it's residentially
zoned and a sports complex and the level of housing that we're talking about are not things that would be necessary. That's something that uh we would be getting help with through the mass development grant. Um we have a meeting on Friday to talk about that with with mass development. But um the grant was
put in with BSC group doing that work as well as Koine doing um [cough] the actual feasibility analysis. They're the same people who did our diff. Um, but we haven't finalized who's going to be doing the work. They have a they have their they have their consultants. They It's not something that we have to
procure through mass development. They have the consultants that they typically work with uh on these types of things. Um, so lots of things are going to be happening with the MUK. There's lots of good information uh on the plans. Uh, and I certainly encourage anyone to to take a look at it and certainly tune in to the select board presentation on the
3rd and you'll find out more about that. and then certainly come to the community meeting uh on the 25th of February. >> Madam Chair, >> thank you. Yes. >> Ask a question. >> Yeah, Mr. Renstein. >> Um when do you anticipate
the muck coming to this to us if at all? >> I I don't believe the muck would be coming to the planning board specifically um to to present anything. I think this is a case where um the select board will also need to when
they get the final report give some direction as to what they're interested I think we're going to get our marching orders with regard to sports complex increased housing density uh in order to allow for what we're looking at right now I think it's zoned for one lot per 40,000 square feet and obviously that's
not a superefficient use of land >> so it's fair to say there will be a zoning board hearing >> yes >> down the road >> oh yes >> but it's not something that's coming here for any discussion or vote. >> No. >> Okay. I just wanted to check in on it because we it's been working. It's been
mucking for a year and I just wasn't sure if at all if it was ever going to intersect with us formally and and it's not. It sounds like >> I don't know. From a regulatory point of view, there aren't any permits that we would be involved in there. I don't think, but you're certainly welcome to comment and you know I can certainly
when we get closer I could give a presentation of kind of what what they're they're doing but I would definitely suggest tuning into the February 3rd meeting because you're going to get a lot of that information uh at that particular meeting. >> Thank you.
So now can we talk about meeting minutes? [laughter] >> Um before we begin uh let's see um I have comments on one of them. Oh, it's way in the back. Okay. Um may may I have
a motion to accept the meeting minutes of October 15th? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All in favor? >> I >> abstain. I was not present. >> Okay. Um may may I have a mo
>> I wasn't me board. >> Oh, you weren't [laughter] the board. Yeah, there you go. >> Um may I have a motion to accept the meeting minutes of November 5th, 2025? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> All in favor? I
>> I >> uh may I have a motion to accept the meeting minutes of December 3rd. >> So moved. >> Second >> discussion. I I have one comment Kathy on this one
with regard to the library discussion. Okay. >> Um, at the bottom of page one, and it may be just my interpretation or memory of it, I I thought we'd actually talked about, you know, the visibility
from Route 28, not necessarily just its context. Um, I can check I can I did not go back and check the video. You >> did talk about that. >> I thought, but I I thought the visibility was important. Um, so maybe
we could just say >> I what I suggested was it's its visibility from Route 28 >> and strike how it fits within the context of >> where are you Joan? >> On page one
>> last couple >> very very bottom >> last last line. Okay. So it would read the overall look of the building, visibility from route 28 and and then it goes to the next. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it should be surrounding on the on
the next page. C surrounding civic substructures, right? >> Any any other comments? >> All in favor? >> I approved. Great. Uh committee updates.
Uh we start with you, Mr. Smith. Any committee updates? >> Sure, Madam Chair. Attended my first rack meeting. Um and it was interesting, you know, get back up to speed on it. Just a quick update where kind of where
all the projects are at. Um the plant itself on Buck Island, um base elevation is set and soil anchors are done. They're in the process right now of uh framework and forming rebar and pouring concrete for the foundation. They have
revised the completion date from September 2027 to January 2028. Um well, that being said, that will be the earliest the plan could go online. Um but running through the contracts just so everybody knows where we're at.
Contract two, which is the work on Route 28, is completed. Final paving on 28 was completed on October 31st. Paving on Old Main Street and local roads has also been completed. Work at the pump
station, that's the one next to the CVS and the Pancake Man. Uh the foundation is being poured and they'll be putting in a prefab building in the um later in January, early February to set that. So that that's going to move right along
once they set that. Um contract three, which is Ravoli's contract on Southshore Drive and portions of Route 28, that all excavation work has been suspended pending a decision on how to proceed. A meeting was held between the town and
Ravoli on December 17th. Um, contract four, which is Route 28 North Main Street intersection, is complete and now west of Parker's River, contract five, Route 28 from Parkers River to Higgins Crawl, work has resumed in route 28 with
the installation of a mainline and service laterals and a second crew is being brought and they actually started today on Joshua Baker Road in West Yarmouth. And then contract six which is uh route 28 from Higgins crawl west to
the bar line um has a revised plans have been completed which includes the pump stations and the new locations. Bids were received on December 18th with Robert Hour being the lowest bidder at 19.3 million. So, the project is moving
along. Maybe uh in some spots a month or two behind pace, but I think if we have a, you know, get out of winter sooner than later and have a decent spring, we'll catch right back up. So, it's good to see. >> Thank you, Peter. Slobe.
>> I don't think I have anything. >> Do we have a design? >> We already talked about the 645 one, right? >> Yeah, we >> do. We We did that at the last meeting, right? I think so. >> Yeah, I think we did. >> Okay. >> No, we had that actually. We had the design review committee meeting on the
the 13th, >> but you talked about >> in our in our phone call today, Kathy, you reminded you asked me to remind you to talk about 645. >> Yeah, I'll talk about it in staff updates. Okay. >> That was a VCOD. He came here to us, right? 6
>> 645 went to design review on December 13th. It went to site plan review team um on the 6th of January. Um there was some comments and we'll talk about some of the issues later. U but ultimately they will be coming making any edits that they want and then coming to the
planning board for BCOD site plan review and then any relief that they need they would go to the zoning board of appeals. >> But thank you >> madam chair. >> Yeah. Um my official update is that the CEDC will be reforming um hopefully in
early to midFebruary, but there has been a call for anyone from the public that would like to become a member so that we can get to five so that we can start our meetings, restart our meetings. So hopefully that will happen in the next
30 days or so. Thank you. >> Okay, Susan. Um I don't have any no updates, but I do have a question to um Ken. >> Sure. >> How's the budget going with the >> right now? The you know, as we stand
right now, we're on budget. You some of the unforeseen situations like having to take some of the water up to Bayberry is certainly going to cretail what they originally thought from budget. They're going to be coming for some more money. So, >> it's really that simple.
>> So far, no. No surprise. >> No, matter of fact, the like I had mentioned the $19.3 million bid that came in actually is less than what originally was proposed. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah,
>> I'm sorry. Could I just ask a question, Susan? >> Um, the library building committee submitted their application. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. December 31st. >> And Okay. And so the next When might you hear from them? Do you have >> up to the date? Uh, but they I think
they state does have a time frame. I just don't know what it is because we then have to pick it up and continue. >> Probably they're going to be asking a lot of questions between now and when they issue, isn't it? >> Yeah, probably in after the 31st anyway, but before March
>> because the goal is to go at annual town meeting and request for some right >> for some money from the town meeting. >> Right. Once MBLC gives them the approval, then this town has a month to sign a contract. >> So, we got to go to the town meeting
quickly. >> Do we have a date yet for town meeting? >> The last Tuesday in April. >> There is a date. I don't remember when they vote on it. It's the 28th. I think April 28th is >> I went to the website and it wasn't It hasn't been >> Did they vote on it last night, Kathy? I
didn't I didn't finish the meeting. I got all kinds of schedules. >> It is April 28th as the last Tuesday. Okay. >> But I don't know if they've actually officially voted on it yet, >> but they will have a meeting next. >> Yeah, they'll have a meeting next week.
>> Sure. >> Dearra, uh, we have not had any more community housing committee meetings, but we had a small meeting in December with the, uh, remotely with the Donahghue people about the short-term
rental report there. going to be revising it and resubmitting I think very soon. I think they said in January or February. Um and then uh another meeting I did not attend a brief site
visit at the site for habitat over on uh Wood Road uh the other that was Monday this week. Um, and that's moving along and we'll be meeting next week and I don't so I don't have anything else really new to report.
>> Did you have anything more? >> Yeah, the the short-term rental UMass done he was going to um be presenting the edited uh draft uh January 20th to the affordable housing trust. Um I believe that's at 10:00 in room A. Um
and then there is the um the presentation to the select board on February 10th which is what they were think hoping to be like a joint meeting where they would present to the select board and to the planning board and hopefully the select board let you guys out ask questions as well. I think
that's a meeting that I would actually post as a meeting for you guys. uh unless you don't have quorum or we can't get quorum. But um that would be a good ide good good idea because ultimately it's going to turn to you guys and to us in order to see what we need to to make if we need to make any changes. Um we
did submit to the DTA grant um like $15,000 to see if we can't follow through with looking a little bit more in depth with some of the ideas that came out of the UMass Donahue short-term rental study. um which I think would be helpful and might help us to see what we
need to do or not need to do um come fall type >> to hear about [clears throat] that grant. >> Uh I thought when I talked to Megan about it u I thought it was going to be fairly quickly in January sometime because all the work needs to be done by December 31st so they can't like wait too long and do it.
>> What would that grant cover again? What would that >> um I think it was it was t taking a look at more detail what the study and see what holes need might need to be filled and what we might need to do very specifically for the town of Yarm >> who's going to decide what holes need to
be filled >> I think you guys can help with that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know that you you've been very good about coming up with different ideas uh about things and you sent some good information um today about the impact fees about what communities
actually do an impact. We've maxed out the excise tax, but there is the ability to do a community impact uh fee, but it's it's a case where it's very limited to who it would apply to. It applies to professionally managed units, which is one of two or more short-term rental units in the same town operated by the
same owner and not located within a single two or three family dwelling that includes the operator's primary residence. And two, uh, applies to, um, those short-term rentals in two or three uh, family dwellings that include the operator's primary residence. I'm not
sure how many people that actually applies to, um, but Peter had some good information. some towns in the outer cape, but then Felmouth also has done it. It sounds like you said Dennis had recently passed >> passed it and it's up to 3% of of that.
So, we're already at like 14.45%. So, it got up to 17.45%. You don't have to do the full three um for these specific. I don't know how they're tracking these and how they know who should be paying this and who is and how it gets paid. So there would be more research that would need to go into that. But the short-term
rental study from UMass Donahue mentions it just as an idea and says that the armouth doesn't do it but doesn't include it as a recommendation of something that we should be doing or strategy that we should be looking at implementing. >> Does the town know they must know or do you know how much of the because the
state website there will tell us the website will tell us exactly how much of the um lodging tax comes back to Yarmouth. >> Yes. >> But it doesn't break it out. hotel versus short-term rental. >> Yeah, they do. >> Yeah, that >> they do. Okay. >> Um Yeah. And I think that that's one
thing that got included in the update from the UMass Donahue is they're going to include the um like the last four years or something of that tax and in both the hotels because I think the question was, you know, as the short-term rental taxes are going up, has the motel room taxes gone down? And that's exactly what has happened.
>> That actually came up at the board of select meeting the night the library made their presentation. They were doing something. There was some presentation prior to that about housing and I think the finance director was going to find those exact numbers because it was asked that night. No one really knew what an actual number. They knew the the
breakdown, but they didn't know the dollar amount. So, they're going to be tracking that. Kathy, I have one question. Is there anything in the study that is going to um take into account this new state um
proposal for seasonal communities and crosswalk that what that requires versus short-term and including in the short-term rentals? Is there going to be any impact on that? I think there will be. I just don't know if >> I don't think the seasonal communities
requires you to do anything like restricting your short-term rentals. >> No, it doesn't. But it opens up a lot of other opportunities and I don't >> some funding sources which is good. >> Yeah. Uh and it also um requires us obviously to do some zoning changes as
well certain period of time. >> Is there any thought of of evaluating the impact of if this town does decide to do the seasonal community >> impact on that designation and what we're doing now with short-term rentals?
Does it is it will there be an impact? >> I'm I guess I'm not seeing Yeah, I'm not >> I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. >> Yeah, I'm not really seeing the correlation necessarily. >> I I think they're very much correlated. >> I think it gets to it gets back to our
key issue of seasonal communities. What they're really doing is trying to promote year- round housing and what we're looking at is do short-term rentals impact the the number of year rounds? I think Joanne had a good question. What's that number? If we make this stricter with regard to short-term rentals, what are we really opening up
for people with regard to housing? I don't think we've ever gotten a good answer with regard to Peter's question about have the u what are the assessed values of these short-term rentals? Are they things that are low enough so that they might have been first-time home buyers or are they more expensive closer to the to the water and it really wasn't
going to be something that short, you know, that um >> first-time home owners were going to be doing. And also I think a lot of it is also the big bulk of the seasonal communities or I'm sorry seasonal housing is if you make it stricter and stricter you're going to take some of those people who might have rented it
out a little bit to make some money and then they'll just stop renting it out. So I don't think you're you're going to change the number uh percentage of seasonal housing units by doing that because it sounded like our our a lot of our seasonal was not related to these operators who were coming in. It's a
commercial endeavor. really is people who use it part-time year round and then they they short-term rental it for the for the height of the months of the summer to get the money and then they plan on ultimately retiring here. I think that's the vast majority of it. >> We don't know that. >> We don't know that. No, but but based on
the information that they were providing, it doesn't look like there's a huge huge commercial. >> Yeah, they don't know that either because they haven't done the analysis. They haven't looked to say, you know, there are plenty of houses and I know because you can look at the addresses and and they're only occupied when short-term renters are there, you know.
So, I don't know what the numbers. Nobody knows what the numbers are unless they do. >> The problem is getting the numbers. They're they're very difficult to get accurate numbers. >> We're also trying to narrow that focus to really what is what is the um the market that would be affordable to somebody that wants to put their family in the house. You know, you know,
whatever that number is. We can look at the median assess value. We talked about that. So, to sort of narrow the focus, but >> I don't know how much additional information they're going on is going to be able to do under their current. >> Madam Chair, I have a Can I have a
follow up on that? >> Were wasn't there an announcement right before New Year's that Yarmouth had been designated seasonal committee, but we have to have a discussion and we have to vote on it invited. >> So, can you just quickly talk about what happens next, please? Well, I think the
select board need to talk about it. >> Well, I'm just asking >> decide whether that's something that and get more information about it. That is also another thing that we asked for DTA funding for was to just summarize all of that. what are all the obligations or what are all the benefits associated with seasonal community designation. Um
but it requires obviously the select board to want to do it and then also require a time meeting vote >> and then within 18 months we need to pass the zoning and I think if you don't pass the zoning I don't I think you get your designation yanked because it's h hat in hand you know the two of them together.
>> They also invited quite a few towns. Right. No, I know. I saw it. No, no, I saw it was basically the rest of the cape that didn't get included from the beginning initial wave. >> So, we there's still much more to be to come on that subject. >> Yes. >> And including up to and including the select board saying to us,
>> hey, planning board, you need to chew on this also, >> but not until they say so. >> Okay. I just want to understand the direction it was traveled and who the constituencies were before town meeting. Thank you. >> What changed between wave one and wave two? Because the first wave we did we were not we did not qualify. It was
based on a certain percentage of homes that were and then all of a sudden >> I think the legis >> no one mentioned that and they said we're just going to cover everything. >> I think it was political. Yeah, >> I know the Kip >> I know that Kip Digs was was pushing for designation
um for for not just Bars County but I also think Bergkshire County as well that has a lot of >> the percentages were so close like in in our case it was one 1% off it was it was 3% we were 32 and I think 35 was the was the cut off
>> and [clears throat] I think they they gave a bunch of criteria well we would consider this for future designation I think we kind of hit all of that So I think they just looked at the different communities >> and and the governor can can you know this didn't require an act of legislation. She she changed this
designation. >> She had the she had the authority to add all of Bartsville County. >> Yeah. And that's important to remember because if she if we have a new governor that can that designation could be changed. >> I think that was done kind of like the equivalent of like an executive order.
>> Yeah. And and again, my my one, you know, while we're on the subject, but my one concern is that this opens up the the um the tiny homes discussion and smaller lots, right? >> And they didn't get that in the first
affordable housing, >> the big the big housing act. And so now they've kind of back again, I think, backdoor it and they have it now. >> Yeah. Um, if we choose to join, >> there's a lot lots of hurdles to go over
>> if the town chooses to to join. >> Money talks. So, that's right. >> Give money to us. And >> I mean, we have lots of tiny homes here in Yarmouth. >> You think about when you think about it, we have a lot of homes that are under a thousand square feet. >> Lots.
>> So, anyway, uh, >> who's next? Uh, Tom, anything committee-wise? I was just nomin uh appointed but I don't have my first meeting until May so I have nothing. >> Okay. Right. Um I have one uh the CPC
met on December 17th and we approved funding for the Yarmouth Port Library um replacement of their um ADA ramp in the back. Um there was a fairly healthy discussion um and it related to their financials. Uh, as it turns out, the
chair of that committee, uh, of our committee, um, is very familiar with CPA and nonprofit um, 990 tax returns. And so when you when you apply for a CPA grant, you have
to attach your 990 forms and stuff. And there was a a a significant change year-over-year recently for the Yarmouthport library where its assets through investments uh more than doubled. So they went from
a 1 million I I'll use a you know a general number around 1 million 1.5 million um on their on their uh profit and loss to three million and it was an in it was all located in investments. So
maybe they owned Nvidia stock and sold [laughter] it or something. I don't know. >> But uh you know un unfortunately uh the folks who were representing couldn't give us a really good explanation as to what that
what that bump was and we felt that they should contribute more than what they asked for. So they had asked for 67,000 plus for it and um we deliberated. I had suggested a lower number and we came in
in the middle um at about we approved $50,000 for it. So they will have to um come up with the with the balance of it. >> What was the total cost doing? Do you remember >> what they had estimated the bid the the bid that they had received? The high bid was at 67
>> and the low was at 40. Yeah. >> Um I had suggested that it's the public sector, let's use the low bid. >> Um and uh other members felt that we should take an average. So that's where we landed on the 50. Uh so but for a
nonprofit library and I'm associated with library association uh for South Yarmouth um you know a couple million dollars isn't a big isn't a lot of money and they are running it themselves. you know, they have no they have no town support. So, um I felt like
that wasn't good for them. Uh but that that's that that that doesn't make their job any easier trying to, you know, exist yeartoear. So, uh but it was a it was a good discussion and several members uh of the board attended. They
they um you know, they had really good um interest in it. So, anyway, uh that was CPC. We have on that subject we have um the annual report um we having we're having a public meeting on the January 28th
um on the CPC is required to submit an annual to publicize and have a public hearing on the annual report and that will be on January 28th. Um I've asked Kathy to get copies of it to all of you um for our 21st meeting. Um, if you
could look at it and and think about it, I'd like to bring comments back to the CPC from the planning board, not just me. Um, and that's a little bit of a change. Typically, it's just been individual members, but I think it's important that, um, we have a chance to
all um, comment on it. Uh, so um, that will be on our agenda for the 21st. uh uh correspondence and staff update. Kath, >> I think we've talked about a lot of the correspondence I think that I had sent around. But um with regard to to staff
updates, I guess I wanted to talk a little bit about um the VCOD project um 645 Route 28. It's basically a mixeduse um project. It's like a block or two away from the Riverwalk Park on the same
side. So it's a nice destination. people can easily walk up to a bunch of different places. It' be really nice. It has like two small commercial um businesses on the on the first floor facing facing route R route 28. >> This is the old Chinese restaurant site.
It is the Chinese restaurant site. Okay. >> I mean Chinese old Chinese restaurant from what 15 20 years ago. >> I've been here 50 years. So to me it will always be the Chinese restaurant since I've been here since. Oh yeah. Long time. Um but anyway, what what we've been
doing when people come um with different projects, we always talk to them about the Mass DOT corridor improvement project, which is taking a bunch of different strips of different people's properties. Um basically from the Parker's River uh westward all the way to the town to the town line. Um in in
as you all know in the VCOD, which this project would be, um we have a minimum front yard setback and a maximum front yard setback. And what we're finding on this particular property is that the strip is like 11 feet at one end, which
is significant, especially when your minimum is 15 and your maximum is 25 because they're in a FEMA flood zone down to to five feet. So if they were to design the project right now uh to meet the minimum and maximum when the uh mass
DOT project came through they would be completely non-conforming and their building would be fairly close to uh the shared use pathway and I don't think that's necessarily what we were looking for what we wanted. Um the problem is with um the village center overlay district we really set the minimum and
the maximum. We kind of wanted people to adhere to that because the idea was to keep the buildings closer to the road, create more of that village village center feel. Um, but unfortunately the mass DOT project is causing a bunch of other issues. It's required.
>> How much are they taking? Is it 10 feet? >> They're taking 11 feet at Applebee that the western edge and then it kind of is like a >> No, I'm talking about the state. The states when they come down, is it 11 feet they're going to take all the way down 28? >> No. No. vary significantly by property
and this is the first property where we've really run into it being this significant in the VCOD because remember the VCO is the only one that has the right has that maximum setback too that you got to have the building closed. Um so so right now the VCOD is listed that
if you can't meet the minimum maximum which is based on the existing property line because they don't want to they'd like to be further back and accommodate the mass DOT. It's a variance from from the zoning board of appeals, >> which is harsh. Um, so I I guess what I
would like to to discuss with you guys is we still, I think, have an opportunity to get a zoning article on annual town meeting. I'm not dying to cram through another zoning change, >> but something as simple as changing it
from a variance to a special permit and having like one of the criteria being related to whether you had a impacted by a strip taking from a roadway project along Route 28. Um, it would be something simple. It would allow them to
get, you know, ask for relief from from the ZBA via a special permit, which I think they would get because it makes sense as to what they're doing. The project overall, I think, you know, Peter's seen it is looks really good. >> They've done a good job. >> Um, but it's this big problem. It's kind
of hanging hanging out there. >> Are there any other projects along 28? Do you think that that's going to impact? right now. I don't I think that's about the only one that's >> Well, we have another um VCOD project coming at 703 Route 28. We have a design review committee meeting on next Tuesday. Tuesday the 13th.
>> What's 703 Route 28? >> It's the old uh like office supply store. It's right along the >> Gardener Tile building. >> Yes. Gardener Tile. There's a flashback. >> Yeah. >> Um >> what's going in there? >> Six high-end condominiums. >> Really?
>> Y' be a huge improvement to that site. >> Yes. I'm I'm happy about that. >> Eric Tally designed it. He did this. He was the same architect that did the 811 Route 28 project that you guys saw as a VCOD project like a year ago. Um it
looks kind of like of a boatousy. I I think it looks it looks really good. Uh obviously they have conservation things they need to go through, but a lot of it's already impacted and they're going to be doing a bunch of things to kind of revate. >> Is he aware of this situation? I don't think it's severe at their
particular site. I have to I'll double >> You don't think we'll have any impact? Okay. >> I think there's enough land there to do what they need to do. >> I think so. >> Tile building. >> The other project, Kathy, that um the water park, that entire burm that they have out in front has to be pushed back.
>> Oh, no. >> Because they're going to extend it. They have a fence there. Right. >> Right. But they're going to extend it down. And when they they're going to extend the burm down and move expand the park over to where the little um jacket as your salt. >> But I thought I thought the taking was
on the other side of the street. >> It varies back and forth and the rightway varies in the rightway actually in front of six. The reason it's five feet is the wideway um wideway the rightway widens at that side. If it didn't, it would be an 11 foot strip all
the way along and for some reason it gets wider just east of that property. Um so it really varies. And then they tried to center it and if you had like a wetland resource on one side that they didn't want to impact the road center line was shifted over, you know. So, >> so if you were going to use this
proposed shared use path 5 years from now, >> you're going to have to switch back and forth and you're going to have to cross 28. >> That's almost there's the confusion because >> the center line of the road is changing from what it is now. >> Okay. But but the path itself will stay on the south side.
>> Sorry. I just wanted to make sure I understood it correctly. >> The center line may vary. So the prop, you know, property lane might be here. So then you need 10 here, but then they bring it back in and you only need five at this spot. Or the rightway is wider there. So you don't need to take as much. So the amount of the strip taking is very individual. It can't just say
it's a it's a five foot strip or it's a 10ft strip. It's very individualized. >> So how how is this affecting them, Peter? At >> their burm is going to get pushed back, right? >> Yeah. They're taking a bunch of and they're going to have to remove trees and Yeah. Yeah, they'll have to.
>> So they had their plan was to expand the burm. >> So they're they're they're going the design review they said was they're going to they're going to keep it consistent [snorts] with the line of the burm now. Okay. >> And then when they have to at their cost they're going to move the whole thing >> as far off this road as they have to
>> their plan is to add another building as well. They're going to add a building next to the existing whatever's there. >> Salty >> on the other side. >> On the other side. >> They don't own the other side that the town owns that. >> Well, no. on the other side of uh closer to the entrance to the park. >> Isn't there an old motel there? >> It's I think it's And I think they
bought that motel, didn't they? >> Yeah, >> they own everything. Almost down to Duncan. Almost down to Duncan, but not quite. They don't own the the nice motel. >> Austin, what's it called? >> The Aiden. >> The Aiden, right? >> But I think if he would do everything up to, right? >> He might. Yeah. Or
>> he might. You never know. What I know is this off topic, but what is happening to those to the old Mayflower and the properties that he does own? I thought those were going to be demolished and >> they have a bunch of wide ranging ideas and plans. I think they're waiting until
sewer is a little bit more imminent in order to make those changes. >> Y >> Well, can I ask a follow-up question about the proposed town meeting >> article? Please. >> So, will will it accomplish what you think it will accomplish? Meaning
there's one specific case that you're mentioning with the old Chinese restaurant, but do you anticipate if we do this now, it will make it will sort of prevent more weird situations like this going forward or is this literally for only
an a zoning change for one property? >> It's not for one property. It's for everyone in the VCOD. >> Ah, okay. >> Right. because this is I guess the only except for actually VC1, VC3 and VC4 because VC2 doesn't have >> right >> have that they have a
>> so it would be a pretty broad >> it would be a pretty broad swath. >> Yeah. >> Um >> it's going to be strictly tied though to the state road project. We're going to we're doing this because the state road project is going to make it difficult for
>> we're not going to do this in perpetuity. It's it's tied to >> that particular length of 28 because of state intrusion into the town property. >> I think it's more than just that length of route 28 because they want to there's actually a project initiated to go from
Parker's River to the Bass River project. >> So at some some point you're going to see that happening all the way through the VCOD. >> You mean to the new bridge? >> To the new bridge. >> Yes. So this your idea Kathy is just to provide a bit of relief, make it a
little bit easier. Um it's not that they don't have to come back and ask for something. It's just makes it a little easier, >> right? It puts a set of eyes on it to make sure that they're being kosher as to why they want this. Um >> but in the same token, not making it so
difficult of a of a variance when that's not what we want. We want that. >> Yeah. Um, I haven't given any thought about it other than what I just said. I haven't talked to Mark about it. Um, I briefly talked to Bob Britainau about it to see whether we still had the ability
to uh get an article on annual town meeting and he said yes, you you can do that. Um, so I guess I wanted to talk with you guys. Is this something that you wanted to pursue? I don't know exactly what it's going to look like. Um, but we and we can talk about it some
more u with some better ideas on the 21st. And if we didn't do anything, they would have to redesign. Is that what the issue would be? >> They would have to redesign or they would have to go for a variance and say it's a unique site situ >> Why would a variance be difficult? I
mean, if they have the unique >> Why would it be difficult? >> It may not be, but it's a huge unknown. >> It's a huge unknown. Special permits bad enough is with regard to an unknown. Um I almost would like if they said, "Well, we're not going to change it. You're we're not going to wait." But they're
they're renting out their property right now to dig at construction. >> Right. >> So that's gonna for like what two years, right? >> So they're not going to start this project tomorrow. >> Well, then why do we do you feel any pressure to have to do this for spring town meeting? Why can't we do it in the fall town meeting >> given that given that this circumstance
is not really >> permitted so that he can maybe start getting some of his financing? >> I appreciate that. I'm just saying that given the timeline you just you just educated us on. I would say and I would suggest Madam Chair, maybe you'll take counsel with our town planner that if with all the other things that she has
on her plate that perhaps it doesn't need to be so soon. Perhaps it can be in the fall. >> Well, I saying perhaps >> further discussion, I'm sure. >> I haven't talked to the applicant about this. I just don't know how they would resolve the problem without a variance
which >> or special permit. >> I'm not asking them not to resolve the problem. I'm just trying to be very mindful of your time, >> right? The fall, >> what's reasonable and what's not reasonable. >> The fall is going to be hard with with zoning anyway unto itself because we
have a lot of things that we need to talk about. If it's a simple thing where we're just giving a relief and it's one, it's two two changes. one of them to um change it from variance to special permit relief and then the other to be adding another item in the special permit criteria that's very specific to
the VCOD that the zoning board of appeals would be looking at of just taking into consideration when strip takings are taken >> understood madam chair I'm sorry I'm just being protective of our town planners time >> I appreciate that I appreciate that I just don't want to lose an opportunity
or I just feel like we've making it so hard for them that We're not making They've >> done a great job. >> I'm not I'm not I'm not disparaging their efforts at all. I'm just there's lots of things to consider and I appreciate >> the state made it hard. They knew that they knew the state was coming down the
road >> and and when people aren't aware because they're like no one's contacted me. >> Shocking. >> So I I I did send an email to Tom Courier who's the project manager at Mass DOT just kind of asking for an update on the taking process and maybe some updated plans. The last plan
rightway plans I have were from two years ago. Um, so have they changed? I know they went from 8 foot wide Syracuse pathway to 10 foot. Did that impact that or was that taken into consideration in the >> Are the two packs on on 28 going to be impacted? Do you know
>> because one of them is supposed to be they're supposed to be doing that connector pack that connects. >> I don't think there's anything negative that's happening with that. Yeah. >> Do you think that's they're going to be okay? That we said >> they have to make some changes to Parker's River Landing entrance a little
bit. But >> so we can give it a try. You want to give it a try? >> Yeah. >> At least look at it. >> No, I don't think we have to. >> If you think you you know it's you can do it and it's in the best interest to kind of do it quickly, get it. You know,
it's sounds like it's lowhanging fruit. Kathy. >> Yeah. Let me talk to Mark and let me talk to the owner. I just think >> Madam Chair, can I ask Kathy just one quick update? >> The old Certan leather that's finally torn down. Is it what what is that going
to be or is it just that they finally tore it down? >> No, I think um Tim Kelly bought it and I think his precision >> got torn down. I'm sorry. >> Search leather on Route 28 that burnt down about five years ago. Maybe maybe longer. >> They had some insurance issues that they were working.
>> I knew that. Um but yeah, I think he's just going to rebuild it and he's going to use it for his um pool business. >> Oh, okay. Great. >> The last I heard it. >> And any update on the gas station uh physical therapy building there on station from >> Taco Bell.
>> Taco Bell. Thank you. I was going to say Burger King, but I knew that wasn't >> I was hoping we would come back and you would tell us it was not going to be a Taco Bell. >> Well, [laughter] >> we sent some We did. We send them some recommendations as far as architectural. We We >> Yeah. Um,
they were very open to getting some suggestions in all fairness. Um, and Sarah Porter, who's an architect, who's on on the retired architect, but she's on the design review committee, and she worked up some sketches. I think it looks
better. Uh, and we just forwarded it to them as a suggestion that you might want to make these changes. Um, it kind of changed the materials a little bit. that it added a little bit of a better roof line, I thought. Um, it it it looks
better. Um, they still need a variance though in my opinion from it's the same scenarios with the JMART where the have they have a drive-thru and in the proximity to the residential
zoning district and is within 100 feet. >> So, they would need relief from that. And Mark has very consistently identified it as the the travel lanes count as part of the drive-thru system. It's not just the box. >> No, it's everything.
>> And it's also to the it says to the zoning district line, not to the like a residential home. And >> technically, if you look at the map, the residential zoning district is on the north side of >> Yeah. It's right across the street. >> That back of the zone and then [snorts]
Yeah. I thought that was the same. Yeah. >> Yeah. So they they have and they, you know, like I said, they did a traffic study and indicated that >> no gonna be fine. >> Oh my god, >> was gonna be fine. Um see that >> this still has to go to the zoning board of appeals. I think they're going to
look at it very very closely. With regard to design review, we're advisory for commercial development south of six. It's not part of our overlay district. So, I'm was glad that they were open to some suggestions and I think the ZBA likes to see that someone has taken suggestions from other committees like
the design review committee and site plan review. >> Kathy, what does your crystal ball say in terms of the timing of this project? >> Taco Bell. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I think they're they're chomping at the bit to make some changes and submit it to >> ZBA. >> To the ZBA.
>> So, that means construction late spring. >> Oh, I don't think that that seems awfully fast. Well, that's what that's what I'm getting at. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I I honestly don't know what their construction schedule is, but they'd have to get through the zoning board of appeals. Then they'd have to go through the appeal period. Somebody may
appeal it like they did with the Jart, and that takes extra time to deal with that. But they need a v a variance. So, >> I don't know. They don't have the ability um they don't have the ability to do the road like Jart did,
>> right? But they made it look really nice and and so it was special permit not varants for them >> and it takes time to build stuff. >> And it takes time to build stuff. >> So okay, most likely not this summer. >> No, I can't imagine. >> Okay. Well, I have 85 camp counselors
who are [laughter] curious. >> They don't know it yet, but you know, >> this is another potential late night option for them. As much as I am absolutely distraught, I'll just use that word.
>> It would be a >> it's going inact for sure. >> I am distraught. >> No way you can say it. >> I'm distraught on many levels, but I also have a responsibility to my employees. >> Thank you. [laughter] So then summer 2027 it is. >> Thank you. [laughter] [gasps]
>> Any other any other uh Kath, I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Um I mentioned the 703 that that's going to design review on January 13th. site plan review team on the 20th and then to you guys to be determined. So that's another V you're going to get two VCOD projects probably in the next month or
two um for that. The hazard mitigation plan the draft is out for public comment. Um you can look at it at www.yarmmouth.mma. ushmp. Um we are going and that's open for public comment through January 21st. We
are having a community meeting uh next Wednesday, January 14th at 6 PM here in the hearing room and remote to kind of present the the draft and take public comment. Uh and then we're going to go to the select board on again on February 3rd. It'll be a big meeting for things
February 3rd. Um basically for the select board to authorize us and approve us to submit uh the the plan to MIMA. It goes to MIMA, the local Massachusetts, and then they provide us comments. We kind of tweak it. They're trying to help us to get through FEMA and then you submit it to FEMA and once they approve
it, you just have a formal approval of >> I'm sorry, Kathy, what time is the public meeting? >> It's at six o'clock. >> Six o'clock. Thanks. >> Yep. Please get the word out for that meeting. There I think our last community meeting was not super well attended. So, it' be nice to get a
little bit more uh people to attend. And then the last thing gets back to kind of what Will was talking about. Uh, what are we doing for the And Peter had mentioned this. What are we doing for the next year? What are we working on? What are we working on? >> I was Yeah. Wondering if the long-term
comprehensive plan was going to be >> Yeah, I need to get a letter to um I need apparently the letter needs to come from the town clerk saying they authorized the approval. So, I need to um draft that for her. >> That's on me. Uh but then we need to have the form the public hearing. I
don't it's it's a victory dance. It's a little lap where we can say great job and they they're going to say great job, but we got to get it done. So, it's definitely on there. We had talked about looking at design standards um not just in the architectural site design standards, but also um the design
standards in the BCOD. When Mark and I have to go through a plan and go through everything that's listed in the the VCOD for design standards, it's laborious. So, it's laborious for developers in their designers if it's laborious for us. So I think that this is something
where we need to take a take a look at that and maybe also simplifying the whole process. This is not going to necessarily get done in a year, but I'm saying these are things that we need to get started on. Uh we have some money left over from the LCP. Um, and I believe that um, we might be able to get
some money from the affordable housing trust if we're talking about design standards and mixed use and housing and those types of things because they were originally going to give some money uh, for the original mixed use study that we did, but we ended up not needing that money. Um, we're also going to have the Madaki zoning that we're going to be
working with. Hopefully, it'll probably be with BSC Group to look at an overlay district for that and how we might be able to looking at that. Um, I don't know whether we want to start looking at a community planning grant. We had talked about rewriting some of the zoning. That may not be a this year thing. It may be a next year thing, but
I got to check and kind of see what the timing is. These are all things I want to talk with Megan, uh, the director of community development with, you know, kind of talk talk it through. Um, and then we have, of course, the short-term rentals and then the accessory dwelling units. So, there's a lot of things that are It
should be interesting. >> It'll be fun. It'll be fun. But at some point, you know, maybe we should have um maybe kind of our goals of what do we I know that will talked about going backwards from town meeting or special town meeting kind of see what
we need to do. So um I think there's some got to have done and then there's some things that we really would like to get done and then there's probably some things that we'll bleed into next year. I think one of the things that um now that the comprehensive plan is uh been
developed there needs to be a a sense of ownership of that I know it's owned by many parties. Um but there also needs to be uh a if not a person a group that is the
one who's checking to make sure that things are getting done. I don't know if that's >> that's us. That's that. Is that us or is that the town administrator? >> It's us. >> It is us. >> I I mean >> we are the administers administrators of the plan.
>> I think we are um I mean I know we're the primary owners of it. >> Yeah, we're the owners of the plan. >> I think if you're if if the way I was envisioning is like let's give it a year and then we would like check in with people. I mean obviously we have our tasks but then checking in with people
and say where do you stand on these things? And if for some reason there seems to be a lot of delays and there's not a particular reason for it, you want to say to the town administration, you know, we really feel like this should be moved forward up on the list, then you can ask that. >> Yeah. >> Because he because obviously we're not the one. We can't tell someone to change
your your workload and put X above Y because we think it's important. That's something that needs to be decided by the department heads and town administrator and probably the board of selectman. >> All right. But but I I I do think if if that's the case and we we own it and
we're the the guardians of it, I I think uh uh that we we should think about some kind of process where we have some kind of regular schedule of check-in where
people either answer or they don't. um but that we have a ca a a a check-in calendar and you know is this still on your list or has it dropped off? Something as simple as that to start. >> Um and
I you know I I'm more than willing to work on what that might look like with all of you who are fellow bureaucrats. And I'm looking over here fellow bureaucrats at the federal, state, and local level. ago. So, >> none over here.
>> I know there are none over there. >> Notice how you've how you've arranged this [laughter] >> seating chart too. Uh >> the matrix >> federal level. Yeah. Something you know the m having the matrix be that living kind of document where it's a checkin >> and another column
>> column. It's something simple and it's actually set up so it's easy to do. >> Our report is set up very so it's that kind of work is very easy to It's just a It's just a use what we have. I don't want to create something. >> No, >> that's all brand new, but use what we
have and just have a >> a calendar a a check-in calendar. >> And we had it set up that way of like a periodic. We had timelines. >> Yeah. And and but Peter raised some good questions like what do we mean when we said one to three years?
>> Yeah. What do we We don't know what we you know or finish it. >> Yeah. Exactly. So, I think >> we're going to start it in the second year of the 10-year plan and we're going to finish it by fourth year. There you go. Something like that. >> Two to four years. >> Okay. Um, but I do think that should be
on our agenda at some point. >> Yeah. No, I think that's a good idea. >> So, that that and and the town departments who own their projects, I mean, we don't own their projects. We own our zoning responsibilities. Um, so they need to know that
we're we're going to be the enforcers with a small E. Um, uh, the reporters. Let me say that. We'll be theor. >> I do think that that's a case where the town administrator could help us with regard to be getting responses.
>> Some people are just are super good about responding and and I appreciate their efforts. I think it's like you you get what you give. So if I respond [laughter] and answer their questions, they respond and answer my questions. >> Is there a regulatory requirement of reporting back to the commission? Yesual
>> on status annually. >> Yes. >> So the same thing with the hazard mitigation plan. We ended up only doing that once, but but that was much fewer. There's 30 mitigation actions total. There's so many more in the >> Okay. All right.
>> Okay. I I I think we've covered enough. Uh, anything else from members of the board? Okay. May I have a motion? Oh, we need meet upcoming meetings, Kath. Right. We've got the 21st, >> um, the 4th and the 18th. And we know
we're going to have some VCODs. >> Um, >> chair, for the 18th, just at school vacation week, I will not be here. Okay. >> Just in case we have any public hearings or you need to >> I'm not in school, Tom, but I appreciate you looking at me like, why are you on vacation? But [laughter]
Tom looked at me like, "So what?" >> Tom looked at me like, "What do you mean?" [laughter] >> Nor am I a school school employee, but yet I have a child. >> You have a child. >> We We probably will also have another ANR for the Kings King's Way that got
voted on that that land. They need an ANR to subdivide that off for conservation restriction. It was approved at town meeting, a special town meeting. So we have that the VCOD. So there's actually some business and then we have the continued definitive subdivision. So there's an uptick in business items which is which is a
little different. >> Okay. >> I'm glad they waited till after the LCP. >> Yeah. >> Um uh so may I have a motion to adjurnn? >> So move second. >> Any discussion? All in favor? >> I >> thank you all.
>> Thank you. Recording stopped.