Okay, >> recording in progress. >> Uh, good evening and uh, welcome to the January 21st, 2026 Yarmouth Planning Board meeting. I am Joan Cwley, chair. Uh, the public is welcome to attend in person this evening or via alternative
public access provided on the notice of meeting available on the town of Yarmouth website. I'll be begin by taking a roll call. Susan Brida >> present. >> Dearra Gaquin. >> Come on. Dearra >> here remotely. Sorry. >> There she is.
>> Forgot to unmute. >> Well, welcome Dera. Uh Tom Pendleton >> here. >> Will Rubenstein. >> Peter Slovac >> here. >> Ken Smith >> here. >> Joanne Crowley present. Uh, seeing that we have a quorum present, I'll now now call the meeting to order. And I'd like
you to join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. First item on our agenda this evening is an approval not required an ANR plan number 2371L. Uh the trustees of Kingsway Condominium Trust property that's located off the north side of Nottingham Drive in
Yarmouth Port, Mass. Assessor map 142 parcel 17 in the zoning district R40. This ANR creates a non-biddable lot for conveyance purposes. Uh I Bradley Lamont
I think is here. >> No. >> Uh no. Michael Kenneth. I'm the attorney for Kingsway. >> Okay. Great. Thank you, Michael. Um uh we have your your plan here. So why don't you walk us through what you would like us to do tonight?
>> U we're just asking for an an endorsement. Um I know the the planner had provided a a report as well. Um in the fall uh the town passed a town meeting article authorizing the town to
buy this piece of property. Uh there are a couple of conditions that we have to meet in order to make it uh salailable and in good and clear title. Um the first step was we needed some zoning relief to re remove um an open space
restriction on that. We have that. Uh that decision was issued and recorded last week. Uh step two is the ANR endorsement from you. Uh and then um after that we will have to file some land court petitions. >> Um and and when when do you expect that
the transfer might happen? Um the well we have to review some of the the title issues. Um we definitely have to uh provide uh submit a um a petition to the land court to remove the property under 183A because it's designated as
common in the area. Um and possibly have to file an additional ANR with the land court, but we're consulting with one of the title attorneys in the office. the grant itself. There's a grant that's that's funding. I don't know if it's all or or a
majority of the the purchase. >> It's a reimburseable. There's a part of it that is reimburseable. >> Uh the grant runs in June, so we're trying to meet that deadline. >> Good. That's what I wanted to hear. >> Yeah. So, that's that's one of the things we're And Kathy Williams has been tremendously helpful and Dolores with
the zoning board as well trying to, you know, push this along and, you know, she's on the phone with me all day long. So, right. Yeah, she's she's been great. >> Kathy, you'd like to review the planner memo? >> Yeah, I didn't have any any issues with it. Um, the only thing I would note with regard to my planner suggestion is that
I basically said as amended to include the book and page number as this is being registered at land as the actual decision was registered at land court, it needs to say amended to include the document number for the recorded zoning. That's all
>> as far as the planner suggestion for the motion. >> Thank you. Any questions from the board? >> No. Straightforward. >> Um, this is uh an item that came before another committee that I'm on, the CPA committee. So, okay. >> I'm pretty I'm pretty familiar with it. Um,
>> and uh we were happy that at town meeting, >> the appropriation was um approved >> and we're looking forward to moving forward with it. >> Oh, yeah. given its location next to Taylor Bray. >> Um, and this would be a great ad to our, you know, the conservation areas in the
in town. So, um, u, I'd like to make, uh, um, may I have a motion, um, to endorse ANR plan 2371L prepared by Merrill Engineers and Land
Surveyors and dated January 8th. >> Excuse me. I'm sorry. Sorry. This is a new plan, so the dates are different as well. >> Okay. >> It's dated January 8th, but stamped January 20th. Stamped January 20th. Okay. So, let me start again.
May I have a motion to endorse ANR plan 2371L prepared by Merryill Engineers and Land Surveyors and dated January 8th and stamped January 20th, 2026 as amended to include the document number for the
recorded zoning board of appeals decision 5205. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? We need to do roll call. I'll start with Deedra. >> I >> Mr. Smith >> I >> Mr. Slovac. >> Hi
>> Miss Bura. >> Hi. >> Mr. Pendleton. >> Hi. >> And me. >> I approved it unanimously. Should I sign some stuff now? >> C myar now. Give it to Michael. >> Sure.
>> And do you need my copy of the >> We don't need those. Oh, I'll have to have you sign it >> later. Yeah, no worry. 2026. >> I know. I know. >> It's so easy to do.
>> January 2026. There we go. First one through question. Just I was mentioning to Joanne, um, we don't have the extra hard copy, so she'll have to sign those for our records later, but the miler was signed and given to the applicant.
>> So, I I can come in and do that whenever you get them. >> It's not a big deal, but yeah. >> Great. >> Um, moving on to the second item on our agenda. >> Um, thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it. Yeah, it's a great ad to
our conservation areas. I would now like to continue the public hearing of the planning board that the planning board began on January 4th regarding Brian T. Basler, trustee of the Brian T. Basler living trust and
Mary, excuse me, Marcy Elbasler, trustee of the Marcy Elbas Living Trust for property located at 63 Thatcher Shore Road, Yarmathport. Assessor's map 122 parcel 24.1
located in the R40 zoning district. Uh the at our prior meeting we did read into the record the public hearing notice. So I I will uh not uh do that but I just would like to go through the order of the meeting. Uh uh there'll be
an introduction by the applicants uh by Dan Ojula from Down Cape Engineering. Nice to see you again Mr. Ojula. Um, glad you're feeling better. >> Yes. I >> uh uh Kathy Williams will summarize her planner memo to the board. Uh if there
are any public comments, uh we'll take uh any questions or comments and then any written comments that Kathy has received, which appear to be none, and then we'll have any discussion and questions from the planning board. I will then close the public hearing and
then uh we will u have a vote. So following that protocol, uh I'm turning it over to you, Mr. Oela. >> Good evening. Um members of the um Yarmouth planning board. For the record, my name is Dan Ojela. I'm a land surveyor and also a civil engineer and
helping uh the Baslers. Uh Brian, one of whom is with you with us in the evening this evening in the audience helping them out with a you know should be a pretty straightforward matter. Um this is a a glorified driveway to a single family home house lot. It's a 1.4 four
acres. We started this way back in the day in 2017 or I think it was probably even earlier >> 2005 I think >> 05 for uh um the former owner the Swift who was um been in the area since the
pilgrims. But in any event um we had long history with this there was a lot sold off on the front that left uh not quite wide enough panhandle. So, in order to have this be a buildable road, um we decided rather go to the zoning board and get a variance would would
create a little lot out of it, I mean a little way out of the lot. And that what that does is it gives it the adequate frontage to be a buildable lot. Um again, it's uh it's just one house lot, so a lot of waiverss were granted. Um you know, when you look at a driveway,
you typically don't have any real performance standards. Um so, you were comfortable in waving many of the regulations. Those are listed carefully on the plan. I think there's two very minor typos that 3/4 inch stone and an extra H somewhere on a on a land title,
but uh pretty minor. The reason we're coming back today is we had uh proposed some country style drainage which was shallow grass swailes, but the the gravel that was utilized was so pvious uh that there's virtually no runoff and uh so we can wave uh the requirement to
put those shallow uh side ditches on. Um they did a nice job of, you know, saving some trees. If we had to put little side ditches on, I think we'd have more trees would come down, which would be unfortunate. And you simply don't need it if you've driven up there. It's a nice wide driveway, nice and safe, firm
base. Uh the other waiver was it got a little tiny bit steep as we got up towards the lot. Um I think it went over about half a percent uh over what you're required for the center line of the road. Um and so that uh in in an abundance of caution, we offered ask for
a waiver on that. So, what you're basically looking at with the plan in front of you is an asbuilt plan showing just like what would like what we'd like to have proposed on the site. Um, in terms of um uh the the the constructed width, the water lines here, the gas
lines uh sleeved and ready to be pulled through the conduit. Um we set all the monuments uh that were required. One of them fell in a big rock in a in a stone wall. So rather than trying to disturb that rock with an excavator, we set a drill hole on an offset uh for one of
the points of curvature that's carefully noted on the plan. So um any surveyor would be able to utilize that in in lie of a a cement bound. So I think you could safely grant the waiver to not set the bound which saves the big rock. Um I think that's a summary of what we were
looking at there. Um Kathy did a very careful memo which went through point by point. Um, I'm sure she can hit on any minor thing that I missed, but again, it's basically a glorified driveway for a single family home and um, it's all completed. Just like to get this cleaned
up so that we can then apply for the uh, certificate of compliance or the uh, you know, the asbuilt and sign off the final sign off. Again, engineering seemed okay, water seemed okay. Kathy will go over some of that. Be glad to answer any questions. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you, Miss Dojo. Uh Kathy,
would you like to walk us through a little bit of your uh planner memo? >> Yep. There's not a lot more to go through. I think it did would just emphasize that there also you're asking for the waiver for the cross slope. >> Oh, yes. >> Of the one quarter inch. It's it's zero. Um but they've already gone to the conservation commission with regard to
removal of the swailes because they did require um der determination of applicability for that and they approved that at their December 4th conservation commission meeting. They already have their septic subsurface septic system approved by the health department. Uh I've gone out there several times uh
personally and uh everything is very very stable even after some large rain events. Um so I didn't have any issues with regard to the um removal of the swailes uh nor any of the other uh minor uh waiverss that were being requested. Um the water department did have some
things that they wanted to figure out before um not that aren't related to the waivers, but they're just related to making sure that that 2-in line's adequate for residential sprinkler system. I think it is, but that needs to be confirmed with them. And then they need to pull a water um service permit um in order to to do that. I believe the
water meter pits there and that uh Dan has picked it up and can put that on the asbuilt drawing. Uh I did get an email from Amanda Lima, the town engineer. Um it's in your packets here as well indicating that um she also did not have any objections to the waiverss requested
including the elimination of the swailes and that the culprit pipe also looked clear of debris at the entrance to the driveway. So I think everyone's pretty um oh and they also have an old Kings Highway um certificate of appropriateness for um a home as well. So, they've got a lot of work done and this is kind of like their last step
here to finalize this and get through this process. So, then they can come back to us um with a formal request um to release the lot and they can actually get their building permit. On the last page, on page three of the memo um that just basically gives you a suggestion for consideration for a vote to approve
the definitive plan number 1648H, modification two, subject to the following waiverss and conditions. And these are the ones that Dan was referring to. um waiverss from the rules and regulations governing the subdivision of land. All waiverss that are granted as shown on the definitive subdivision plan of land in Yarmouth
Port, Mass prepared by Brian Sullivan Realy Trust dated May 5th, 2017 and last revised October 3rd, 2025, which is what you have in your in your packets uh with the with the following amendment. Wa waiver number 11 on the reference plan shall reference subdivision
um definitive subdivision 1648H and that's the H that Dan was referencing. Modification number one instead of definitive subdivision 1648 modification one and conditions again all conditions of approval shown on that plan that I referenced with the following amendment condition number one on the reference
plan shall reference 3/4 in blue stone the definitive subdivision plan will be modified to include these amendments to the waiverss and conditions okay uh questions from planning board members and then I'd like to um Ask the
public if they have any um concerns, issues. Any questions? >> Ma. >> No. >> M. Slov. M. Smith. Okay. >> Satisfied. >> Um, are are would you like to comment on this one? >> No.
>> Okay. >> Is does Dearra have anything? I always forget about people. >> Thank you. I'm you know when you're up there I'm gonna forget you, so jump in. >> No questions. >> Okay. Um,
so, uh, what I'd like to do, um, is, uh, any, and were there there were no written comments, Kathy? >> No written comments. >> Um, >> I did have a couple people come by and ask questions because they were curious. They weren't sure what was going on, but once I explained it to them, they seemed satisfying. >> Okay. Um, I have just one question. So,
nothing has been built in all these years because of these back and forths about the driveway. So >> generally uh you know it's it's um you know we get the road built um you know that took a little while to get the water there's you know some some time so
the road is constructed right >> but in terms of the building permit uh no um that that uh that was held up by this process basically. Yeah, it's been a long time. >> We've been busy and you know it gets on the back burner and then Brian forgets to bug me so it goes a little longer
to blame the client. Dan, >> he's a very patient man. But anyway, yeah, here we are. It's uh Yeah, that's the main cause for the delay, I think. Yeah. >> Okay. Um so, may I have a motion to close the public hearing on definitive subdivision plan
1648H, modification number two. Move second. >> And we'll do a roll call. Deerra Gaquin. >> Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Mr. Slovak. >> Hi. >> Miss Britta. >> Hi. >> Mr. Pendleton. >> Hi.
>> And me? >> Yes. >> Okay. So now we need to have a ma a motion uh to approve the plan. So, may I have a motion to approve the definitive plan number 1648H,
modification 2, subject to the following waiverss and conditions. The waivers from rules and regulations governing the subdivision of land. All waiverss granted as shown on the defi definitive subdivision plan of land in Yarmouthport, Mass. prepared by Brian
Sullivan Reality Trust dated May 5th, 2017 and last revised on October 3rd, 2025 with the following amendment. Waiver number 11 on the reference plan shall reference definitive subdivision
1648H. Modification number one instead of definitive subdivision 1648 modification number one. The conditions all conditions of approval shown on the division divin definitive subdivision
plan of land in Yarmouthport, Mass prepared by Brian Sullivan Realy Trust dated May 5th, 2017 and last revised on October 3rd, 2025 with the following amendment. Condition number one on the reference
plan shall reference 3/4 in blue stone. The definitive subdivision plan will be modified to include these amendments to the waiverss and conditions. >> So moved. >> May I have a motion? >> Second. >> Second. >> Any discussion?
We'll do a roll call. Um, dear Gayquin. >> I. >> Mr. Smith. >> I. >> Mr. Slovak. >> Hi. >> Miss Britta. >> Hi. >> Mr. Pendleton. >> Hi. >> Joanne Crowley. Hi. >> Thank you, Mr. Oel. >> Sure. I appreciate your continuence. I'm feeling much better from the last one. I
I I was in no no shape to meet the meeting last time, but thank you very much. >> Oh, you're welcome. >> We'll get you a myar with those little changes on it. Do you want the revision date today or would you like for a revision date? Um >> I think you can amend it >> tomorrow. It's fine. Or today.
>> Sounds good. >> Second per planning board approval. >> There you go. >> Like you did last time. >> Yeah, we've cut a few mileers here. Thank you. Uh the next item on our agenda is uh the
village center overlays district and master dot uh corridor improvement projects on route 28. Uh Kathy has provided uh a memo on this. We started this discussion at our last meeting uh and this originated uh and
Kathy will walk us through this um on a plan that's being developed. it's in site review um where the roadway project kicked out some issues for us um that Kathy thinks that we might be able to
address uh through a a a minor quick amendment um at annual town meeting. So Kathy, I'm going to I'm going to turn it over to you at this point um for for you to walk through um the the memo that you sent.
>> Sure. And I will try not to ask too many questions about red lines and green lines and broken black lines. Um but tell me if I'm asking too many questions. No, no problem. Um sometimes I forget. I'm so used to reading plans
and what they all mean that sometimes I don't explain it very well. Uh as Joanne mentioned, um there is the Mass DOT uh route 28 corridor improvement project which is currently almost at the 75% design phase and that runs from the Parker's River uh westward actually all
the way into Barnstable to Yarmouth Road. Um, and this is something where it's going, Mass DOT is looking at expanding the roadway layout to include they're going to have bike lanes, a sidewalk on the north side, and a 10- foot shared pathway on the south side, which going to be separated by a 5- foot wide, uh,
green strip. Um, because of this widening and the narrowness of the kind of the roadway layout already, uh, this has resulted in the need for some strip takings along the Route 28 frontage. Um, the extent of which can really vary, um, depending on the individual lots. um as
they have relocated some of the center line u mainly to minimize impacts to the environment. Um in VC1 the bulk of the takings are actually along the south side of the roadway typically 11 ft to 13 ft. Um but please note that the rightaway plans that we have now are at
the 25% phase once they do finalize this the 75% submission which is waiting for a uh utility walkthrough. This is where they get all the utility companies together and they literally walk the entire length of the project. It's going to be really hard to get all those
different people together and it's not just for a two-hour meeting. It's going to be extensive because they got to walk the entire length of it. So, we'll know a little bit more um after that that walkthrough is when the and the 75% uh submission is done. But as you know, the VCOD is the only bylaw that we have that
not only has a minimum front yard setback from Route 28, but also has a maximum front yard setback. Um, except for VC2, which doesn't h what doesn't have that. So, what we're finding on some of the projects and kind of the project that came before us at 645 Route 28, which is that mixeduse project, uh,
has two small commercial on the first floor facing Route 28 and then 11 dwelling units. That's a project that the affordable housing trust um provided some uh some funding for. Uh it's already gone through the design review committee and it's gone through um site plan review. Uh but because they are
taking 11 ft and then 5T, it's very difficult for them to design. Do I design it for the current property line because no one's even contacted them so far with Mass DOT. They don't contact them until after the 75% design submission. So, unfortunately, it's this one who's usually the first person
mentioning these projects to a lot of a lot of property owners. That was the case with um with the water park that Peter mentioned at the last meeting. They didn't know anything about it until I brought it up at the meeting. Um so, this is a case where they would like
to actually uh construct it with the minimum maximum, but based on the the anticipated new property line, so that when they're done, they're not going to be too close to the shared use pathway. they built it right now uh with the minimum maximum they probably the front of the building might be like 10 feet
off the shared use pathway which might be a little bit too tight and it would create a non-conforming building. Um so they would like to do it um based on the new property line that's going to be hopefully taken as part of this mass DOT project but in order to do that the current
zoning bylaw would require a variance the way it's written right now. So the simple the simple fix is just instead of making it a variance we would make it a special permit relief. Um I do know that Peter had mentioned well could a variance be given I think at the last meeting and yeah it's a potential um but it's much easier to get a special
permit. Special permits also last two years before you have to start construction. Um and then you can of course ask for an extension but variances are one year before you need to ask for an extension. Um so there are and it's also easier to get and um
harder to uh appeal than a variance is special permit. Uh it would be more difficult to appeal. So um what you'll see at the very last page of the little packet is some red line edits where I'm just kind of showing alls we would do is right now relief all
relief through the VCOD is through special permit except for building height and the maximum front yard setback. I would just delete and maximum front yard setback so that that would make that uh eligible for special permit relief. And then there's a whole section within the VCOD which I didn't realize we this was quite so lengthy and all
these special permit things that um the the ZBA could take into consideration when granting a special permit but also including something saying any relief granted in yard setback requirements are rel are related to land takings or permanent easements taken as part of a public roadway improvement project. Um,
so that would give the ZBA something to hang their hat on to understand, okay, I can give this special per relief because it's related to this particular issue. Um, so it's rel it's a relatively simple um amendment. There's also some other things we'd want to discuss, but I don't know if you want to
discuss the um zoning article first and then we can talk about other things, questions, concerns. >> Yes, Miss Bura. So basically Kathy, what we're substituting is instead of a variance, we're just putting a special permit.
>> Exactly. >> Um would the special permit um and I don't know the answer to this special permits. Do they have a time limit? Are they are they sunset at some point? Would this be just a special permit for projects on this particular
tied to this particular state improvement um section or >> it it would just be the the criteria that the ZBA would look at when they were giving a special permit relief. It would be >> but but related just to the improvement to Route 28. It doesn't this special
permit doesn't spread out into any other roadway or or >> correct. >> Okay. So it's it ties strictly to this to the Route 28 improvement. >> We could even say that Route 28 improvement projects or something like that or just emphasize that the part of
a of a mass do Route 28. >> I would like to see I think it I think we should probably limit it or at least refine refine the identification of where it's going to be applied. >> Madam Chair, I think that'd be appropriate. Right. >> So, it's part of a Mass DOT Route 28
>> 28 project. Yeah. Improvement project, I think it's called. >> Yeah. Mass DOT Route 28 roadway improvement project. >> I say maybe corridor improvement project because I don't want to include utilities and all of that kind of stuff. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> What would be a timeline for when they might start this? Did you mention that? I don't remember. The last I had heard was 2028 was like >> they're hooking up to the sewer, >> right? >> So, and they're also um for 645 they're
also um I believe leasing the land to dig it construction, >> right? >> Um so they're going to be there for a little bit while it helps them to get through the permitting process and then they know where they stand. they can start looking at budgeting and doing performers and getting their banking all
in order if they have their permits. Um, and and you know, special permit is two years, but it's not a difficult process to say, "Oh, we're didn't quite make it. We're we're waiting for the sewers or we're waiting for this that or the other thing." And get another year extension pretty readily. >> So, so shovels in the ground for that
particular project, >> correct? >> Are years It's years away >> probably. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I heard. But getting the permitting, the licensing, the fee, get that. This helps them expedite that. >> I think the soft cost associated with it. Yeah. >> Also helps with financing too, guys. You
know, you got you got to go with an appropriate design to get financing. So, >> um any any other questions or concerns? Um Kathy, I I just um when whenever we
revisit VCOD, I'm always >> amazed at uh and my eyes kind of roll back in my head a little bit about what these developers have to look at and the designers. Um it's a it's always a good
exercise to understand what's in for the requirements on setbacks and sides and back and height and green space uh and all of that. Um so um from that perspective uh I I I appreciate that
we're looking at this again but when we if we do decide that we want to move forward with an amendment I think some of those questions you know may come up again as to how complicated this is and I know we had our
consultants which I managed to dig out of my closet this really good large O overlay district um which was very helpful for me to understand >> all the complications that we have and
wherever we can help a developer um make it easier for them I think it's it's it's what we it's it's our it's our job to do. Um and I think this um simple adjustment right now quickly it's a
quick fix um is a good one. Um, but I I did I I just want to take a minute because I know you're professional engineer. Um, can we just go through quickly the red and the green lines and
and and the broken black lines? >> Um, I I know this is not part of what >> the amendment will be, but I just uh a a quick understanding of what all that means. Um, I mean, we can use Captain
Parker's as an example. I mean, is is his whole floral arrangement in front and his his little drive-thru in front going to be affected? And the Sons of Aaron, if you go down on the other side, >> is is the is are they going to lose the
I don't know, eight parking spaces in front there um that they have. So, as an those are just two examples. >> Yeah, this is a little tricky because this is just the rightway plans. it doesn't show you the actual construction plans. So the red lines are the existing
approximate existing u property lines but the actual um mass dot roadway layout right now. Um the green line this line here is their proposed taking meaning they're actually going to be taking that land and purchasing it. Um, some of these other lines in I'm not
exactly sure all of them, but some of them are typically temporary construction easements that are needed in order to grade up or to to um >> the broken black line. >> The broken black line, right? Lots of times you'll see them at um road um driveway aprons because they need to
come in and blend in and that type of thing so that there's a temporary uh easement going there. But there are definitely um locations um because where's the sons of Aaron? It's at the very back left hand corner >> after lower left.
>> Wow. They're going to get dinged. >> Yeah. >> I mean I having been a a member um I I know the parking spaces that are there. Um and it looks like um and I don't know what the saw cut
means there but >> saw typically is milling of the road. So >> So the road will be up to there. Yeah, the dash line is dash line is where >> grading begins, >> right? >> Any anything that says TE like this one
here in the little arrow here. So this is in the front I believe of the Sons of Aaron. Yes. >> So Kathy >> that is the Sons of Aaron at the >> that's a temporary easement. >> So Kathy from the green line to the to the black dotted line that is the area of taking. >> No, it's from the green line to the red
line. >> To the red line. So, it's green north into the street, not south toward the property. >> This is the curb line. Okay. Now, >> this is the property line now. This will be the new property line. >> And that'll probably be maybe like a foot off of the shared use pathway.
>> Okay. And and so on the dotted black line, just using the Sons of Aaron as an example, >> um and actually I'm a former member, so it's not a conflict of interest. >> Um the when it has the 100 plus or minus, is that from the center line of Route 28? Is that what that means?
>> No, that's the distance along this line about 100 plus or minus feet to here and >> the the ah the distance of the line. I get it. To the next point. >> Y I get it. Yep. Okay. Um >> you kind of have to see, you know,
what's what's going in those areas and you can kind of see how they're what's being taken. There are some places where parking is being impacted and they're trying to find other alternative locations and or they will need to take it all of it into consideration when
they do the appraisals. >> And right next door to the Suns is the Captain is the um H converted hotel motel. >> Uh I forget what's Captain Gladcliffe, right? >> No, it's Applebe Court Apartments I
think. Um, I thought right next to the Suns. >> No, it's it it's it's apartments right there. >> Yeah, Glad Cliff's further down. >> Glad. >> Okay. >> It's it's owned by um Well, it's the >> one of the Healies. Yeah, it's one of the Healies.
>> They're both the Healey's that originally developed them. So maybe that's what you're thinking. >> Um so that building is relatively close to the street as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they're going to be taken a big chunk permanently. So, you're going to find that a lot of people who might have
really nice buffers >> and buffer trees. >> Yeah. Tree >> we've been working on for years, >> especially that uh that condo association right opposite uh Jadenos, the one that they they put the >> beautiful apartments and they really built up the burm and that's all covered
with lane. >> Yeah, it's really lovely. It's really that I think all of that's going to be affected. >> A lot more stuff will be affected than you. >> Plus the two parks. >> Yeah, I don't think the parks are too too bad. Um but it it's people who have
things like the BMS. Um even like the Hampton Inn, >> they have a nice BM that's vegetated with and the Cove. >> Um yeah, >> the cove. Yeah, >> the Cove De Palas. That's all going to go. That will all be pushed back toward
the Unfortunately, that's they chose the south side of the street. The north side of the street could really use some work. The south side of the street looks relatively decent for for long stretches of time. Like I say, it really varies. It's not like an 11 foot or 10 foot standard swath for the for a shared use
pathway or something. It's >> I guess I one question, Kathy, and I mean, I don't know if you have the answer, but why didn't they take it equally from both sides of the road? >> I think they did try to do that in some locations. That's why >> on this part it doesn't show it as >> No. No. Um
it's depending they could they modify the center line. You know there's there's radi they need to take into consideration design standards and that >> especially when they started talking about those roundabouts >> that they want to put is it what are they called roundabouts? I call them rotaries but they're not round about
that lights there. >> Yes. And that pushes everything on either side because those are bigger than they than a regular intersection. >> Right. Then traffic lights at Townbrook on 28. Um what was the effect that um we had the the meeting for uh um gardener tile
property the three duplexes 32 families >> I'm sorry what's the >> other side of Parker's River the project there was they didn't factor in the taking in their plans that they presented >> no and that's that's the section of the kind of the next part of the part of the conversation is um this corridor I feel
like I'm sorry I'm echoing this corridor improvement project isn't the only isn't one and done they obviously ly want to extend it and have that section run through all of Yarmit. So from Parker's River Bridge to the Bass River Bridge project that's under construction right
now. And they're probably want going to continue a similar um cross-section because they're going to want to keep the shared use pathway all the way along. >> Um so that project has been initiated which means it it ends up the request was made to mass dot
um and they basically have assigned it a project number. There's no designer that's been assigned to it. Typically, lots of times these are things that the town might have to pay for the designer. We were lucky with this corridor improvement that Masot is paying for that design. Um, but that's something that's going to take quite some time to
design and develop, but those are things that we might want to keep in mind for the rest of the VCOD. So, it's not just this project that's actually almost 75%, but there's going to be another project 10 or 15 plus years down the line >> corridor. Can I this is this is probably
a hypothetical. At one point um one of our consultants recommended or observed that we had too many of these overlay districts and thought and recommended or at least suggested that we give some consideration to consolidating. Is this amendment going to this won't
inhibit any of that? Correct. This amendment that we're talking about this will apply regardless of whether we have four or three. Okay. or two or whatever it is. It's going to apply to a roadway as opposed to the ind. >> It would it would apply to the vis center overlay district
>> districts plural >> district. Yeah. Okay. >> Doesn't apply to VC2 really because we don't have a max, >> right? We don't have them. Okay. >> So VC1, three and four. >> I think as you get further down and I think it's not exactly sure where, but um
the rightway widens to 80 ft of mass DOT but lots of people still have all their stuff. there's everything is still in the right of way. So when they widen it there, they may not need to do a taking, but they're still going to have impacts, >> right? >> And they assume they get compensated for that.
>> They would not get compensated for that because I don't these guys would, >> but I'm talking about the a where people have like maybe they have their buffer or maybe a little piece of parking like I don't know that plaza uh
>> near Mill Lane. That whole first row faring is in the layout >> of mass dot. >> So the state's going to take it with no compensation to the homeowners. >> I think they've already compensated. I don't know how they got the layout to begin with. There must have been some compensation at some point. >> I haven't heard about anything. Have you
>> a long time ago? I mean it's been that way when they made right when this was like when they when this is my understanding when route 28 went up like this instead of go originally I think it went through old Main Street. So this was a change that was made a while ago.
But there are different areas like you can see the property line on this right here is much wider. Does some weird little jog than it is here. >> Right. >> So you have weird things like that on the state highways. >> Yeah. They widen the section in front of Shaws already.
>> Right. The little bump out. Exactly. >> And that's a long process to get >> two years. >> We had to do it for Parker's River Bridge. Um, any other questions or comments? Kathy, I I did have one suggestion on
the language for the um draft amendment. Um, I noticed that you strike 10. >> I did. Yeah. >> Is it just going to be collapsed into nine? >> No. So, I don't know why it did that. It's going to be It's going to remain
10. The new one will be 11. The rest will be >> So, 10 will become So, okay. um because I thought it actually could be collapsed. Uh but however you want to do it um would be fine. >> Uh there's a lot of things here. When
I'm reading them, I'm like, do we really need all those? But no, no, Kathy, don't. I'm tempted to go in and adjust a bunch of >> Well, I was just looking at them. I'm like, boy, >> um there's a lot. But >> yeah, well, that's >> it's also it's also um you don't have to meet all of them. It's a case of this is
helping the ZBA to decide these are things that are important um when considering a special permit, not that they have to meet. >> Kathy, will this impact the entrance to the drive-in site? >> What's this? >> Will this um >> Yeah, they're going to have that we This
is one of those weird Oh, it's not in here. one of those weird cases where um we wanted to build it the way we originally designed it, but it ended up with the um the crosswalk would have been on our
property and they didn't want to deal with any takings. So, we ended up having to modify the design to have the crosswalk within their layout. So, later they're going to come in and re this is what we've been coordinating with them and come in and rebuild it the way we wanted it. So it adds more money to them
to to go back. >> It's not going to impact the pumping station there. >> No, that's off the >> No, they accommodate they accommodated that. They knew about it when they were designing it. >> Okay. >> It's far enough back. Okay. So, I I the purpose of the
discussion tonight, the outcome I'm Kathy and I are looking for is that we give her a green light to go ahead and move this forward and get some uh a an amendment and a uh proposed amendment in front of us at our next meeting. Yep.
>> So, we can get them I I think we do have a placeholder >> right now on on the um uh on the warrant. So, uh there's a spot for it. Um uh and I think this is a simple quick move, but we have the larger issue and
again going to this document from our consultants. When you look at all of the overlay districts in this area, um we're going to need some help to um look at them and and make it um make it simpler
and better. I think um if we can do both of those things, that would be great. Uh because this was again every time I look at these VCOD um whenever a VCOD comes before us or a road project, >> you know, our our eyes kind of roll a
little bit. Um and uh anyway, uh so you have the green light. >> All right, I will work up something for the next meeting. >> Okay, can I ask? >> Yes. >> Has the state anyformational meetings for the I know they've had information meetings of what the plan is, but I guess I'm really kind of oneon- ones
with these business owners. of any type. >> I I do not believe so. I believe that they um they have a protocol, a whole rightway process. >> Um and when I talked to Tom Courier, who's the project manager, very nice,
very responsive. Um he said that they I specifically asked about the timeline like we're not going to talk to them until we final we're pretty down to the nub with regard to um the rightway plans because they don't want to go get the appraisal the the review appraisal and
then go to someone and then have it change and they need you know another temp 5t of temporary easement or something. >> Yeah. No, I get it. Okay. But yeah, it I mean the only way that people know anything was related to the to the different select board meetings and then there was >> hopefully through us tonight.
>> Hope was tonight. Yeah. Don't call me. I don't know. I only know what I know. I only know a little bit. Um yeah, but they they did have their formal 25% public hearing >> and there really wasn't as many comments as I thought there would be.
>> Yeah, there there will be when they really realize the impact. That's what I guess I'm I'm trying to get across. So, >> it's going to be a big visual impact. >> It's going to be a huge visual impact and it's going to affect some businesses. >> Oh, yeah. Definitely. >> Like the like the
going to be really squeezed against the into the side. >> They got to figure out ways of making these property owners whole again is the way I refer to it. Like if you're taking a big chunk and you're taking some parking where else can you >> how do you make it whole from taking
parking you >> have to con you'd have they I don't know how whether they actually construct it but when you're doing one of the things that we talked to Tom Courier was about you know if you are taking five parking spaces and they need those five parking spaces in order to meet their occupancy load to have that actual business there. That's right.
>> Then you need to find another place for it or you're taking a lot more away from them than you think they are. So, they've been looking at other places where they can locate parking. But I'm like, okay, are you are you paying them compensating them for design and permitting uh in in the construction cost of all of that. So, it'll be
curious to see what happens when people start talking right away and compensation and the appraised values and all those things. >> Thanks. >> So, so people will be compensated. I thought you just said they weren't going to be compensated. >> No, no, no. They these people will be compensated because they're taking some
of their land to expand the rightway. My point is where the section of the existing rightway is already 80 ft >> then they have their stuff that the private property stuff is in the layout then I don't think they would be compensated. I'm not going to definitively say that but I don't think they would because
>> it's their land. It's the state's land. >> Yep. >> Okay. Next on our agenda um is the community preservation plan. that has been prepared by the CPA committee that I'm a member of as the planning board
member assigned to this. Um I I put it on the agenda if anyone had any comments on the draft um in advance of the public hearing in February. We have one more meeting in advance of the public hearing um where we'll uh finalize any other
changes to the draft. Uh this is a little bit of a change. Um but I thought it was important that I kind of carry the water as from the planning board and not just have it be me. Um uh that this
is an annual um uh report that we do that um describes what the CPA is, how the funding works, what we've done in the past, what the goals are, and then what some of our um uh accomplishments have been. Um, interestingly, the
convergence tonight of the property uh with Kings Way, um, as I was looking closely again at the report, we listed the acquisition of that property as an accomplishment >> and it's not.
>> We haven't accomplished that yet. So, we need to put that in next year's report. Um, but I I that was the one uh the one catch that I I I saw and um I I wasn't sure if any of any of you had any other
comments that I could uh bring forward. Again, it's a it's there's a public hearing. This is a draft of that report. The input from the public hearing then informs the report and then it becomes final.
Uh, Madam Chair, I guess the only one that I just wanted a little clarification on under their accomplishments, this Parker's River Bridge, what what was CPA's involvement in the the bridge under accomplishments? >> I can tell you.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, we actually got awarded um $1.6 $6 million for open space protection because it was a title restoration project and it was opening it up and it was helping to protect all of that up. >> I thought that was Route 28 roadway
project. >> No, that was a town project which I would never recommend that we do again. >> Fair enough. >> Um but we ended up um getting other grant funding. So we gave back almost 800 I think we gave back the um second $800,000. So we
>> But having that money helped us get more grant money. So it was very helpful. You actually reimbursed the CPA funds. >> Yeah, we gave back. We Yeah, we didn't need it. >> Yeah. So, >> it was a great job. It flows a lot better up into uh Swamp Pond there. Um,
so if uh if anything comes up between now and uh uh I think our meeting the CPA CPC committee meeting is the February 21st. um meeting is on the 28th of this month,
I'm sorry, January 28th is the C is the next meeting of the CPA. Uh where Right. >> I thought that was the public when's the public hearing. >> I thought it was in February. I can look
>> too many dates. >> I know. I hear you. Keep going. I'll see if I can >> um actually why do I think it's even later than that >> the public hearing on this was I'm pretty sure it's
I can't look at the room bookings should know I don't have it in front of me sorry about that uh but you know through Kathy if you have any other uh comments that follow but I did catch that one that and it you know it was
just a convergence of tonight and the um uh property with uh King's Way. Mad Madaki's utilization committee. >> Yeah, we we had a good meeting and essentially
a good discussion where the MUK by consensus agreed to move forward with the five uh concept designs that were they reviewed at their meeting on January 8th. Um and so BSC group is working on a memo and a PowerPoint
presentation for the select board meeting of February 3rd where Muk will be giving their update. I think that will be more of a BSCheavy presentation with an introduction from um Sharon Wymer, the chair of of the MUK. Uh and then town
staff is also going to be having a presentation directly after talking about the next steps in using the mass development grant to look at the financial feasibility of the sports complex and the market that's out there for that. uh as well as continuing with
BSC group work which is related to um you know get delineating that wetlands and getting a survey and doing traffic study and looking at sewer connection uh and then also looking at potential zoning amendments which will come back
to us um because right now it's residentially zoned so there's very limited things that you can do there now it's not zone for sports complex >> Kathy can I ask a question >> on the on the um hiring for the consultant to do the financial uh
feasibility study. Who writes the statement of work on that? Is does the MUK do that or do does the town staff write the statement of work about um I mean the the request for proposals? Who writes what we want? Is that done by town staff or is that done by people on the muck?
>> That was done um by town staff in conjunction with the actual um consultants. The way Mass development works, they have their I don't know consultant doctors and um MA like for example BSE Group is on is one of those
um consultants that's on their books so to speak. So we don't need to procure them. They're already on there, right? >> Um but they worked up proposals um that got submitted with the grant application and I'm sure they worked very closely with Bill Scott on on what that would
be. Anything else on on muk? >> Okay. Um, no meeting minutes, right, Kath? >> Nope. >> Okay. Committee updates. Who wants to start? Susan, >> I'll do live. So, Tom and I, as you know, on the library uh construction
uh committee, we are we're meeting weekly. Um and the the the emphasis right now at least for the for the next se weeks is going to be uh public outreach getting word out into the because there seems to be I guess a lot enough information from the library
staff as well as just sort of anecdotal stuff that people still do not know a lot of information about the library which quite frankly is consistent with human nature. No one's going to pay attention to it till the week before the town meeting and then they're going to start asking questions. Um, but we are
making a a real concerted effort to meet with the chamber, meet with homeowners groups, meet with a whole bunch of anyone that's out there that's a group. We are prepared to go and meet and and go over go over what the project is all about. Um, the decision has been made to
make that outreach now and get these appointments set up after we have the estimates. We should have estimates >> well should I know the architect is beginning to assemble his cost estimator. So he's and then once he gets approval >> at the end of February, right?
>> Then January, he'll get we'll get the approval by the end of January. He thinks that they think >> and then they'll start doing their actual cost estimates. >> They refine it and then we'll have a a reasonably decent number, a number that we can certainly explain. And with that,
we'll make a huge push to get out to because that's the only thing people are really going to be interested in. They like the design, all that, but the first question they're going to ask is how much is it going to cost? Can I add just a little bit to that Susan is that >> um the other thing I I talked to Amy this
afternoon >> there is apparently there was some money left on the old OPM the old PM contract to do a second estimate. >> Right. >> So we're looking into possibly getting a second estimate to go along with the architect's estimate and then see where
we are. >> And then we are going to do a um podcast the town but town. So probably in later this month or early February, >> we talked a lot about the issue of the second estimate and I think the general
consensus of the committee was as long as we had the money and it wasn't going to cost extra. And the consultant basically said that's sort of routine with a project this size, get a second estimate. Um because I felt confident that if the public knew that we had an opportunity to get a second estimate and we didn't do it,
>> they'd want to know why. So we had the money. It was sort of a belt and suspenders approach and we agreed to Tom said he'd speak in to to Amy about it and I think that we we're going to spend the money and just go ahead and get it done. >> So So is the second estimate a value engineering estimate?
>> It's it's basically the same thing. >> Yes. >> Because a value engineering estimate um isn't just a a new estimate. >> It's one that looks at where >> there can be some shrinkage, if you will. They may they may do some of that
but it's basically going to be the same criteria. >> Same criteria, >> right? Same criteria. So you get apples to apples. If they can find opportunities to do value engineering, it will be mentioned, but it's not not a requirement. >> And then the two estimators, if there's significant difference, the two estimators will meet,
>> right, >> and discuss where the differences are and come to some reasonable. >> Okay. >> Good to know. >> Yeah. And then we get when we get the estimate um in order to to make sure the residents know exactly what they're
voting on, you'll get the construction estimate. You'll get those costs that are going to be reimbursible. Um those costs that um the town is going to be responsible for. For example, uh one of the elements of this competition is the town has to raise a certain amount of money through fundraising. And
I think it's $2.5 million. If they don't raise two and a half million, the town has to make up the difference. All those are going to be laid out so that the residents know exactly what is at stake. There can be no one claiming we didn't know or no one told us. There'll be a
complete data sheet of exactly what you know construction costs, soft costs, what's reimburseable, um potential savings from maintenance costs like solar panels. Um and then the things like um the fundraising so they
have a complete idea of exactly what's at stake. >> I understand the fundraising piece is still a little squishy. >> It you know it's I don't think it's squishy. >> Hasn't been finalized yet. I know that there's a squishy is a great word.
There is a conference call I believe on Friday to to talk about the actual fundraising work. It's It has yet to be decided whether it's going to be a foundation or through what how it's going to be done. >> That's right. >> So, that has to be decided.
>> And we did weigh and I did tell them what we had done at um the drive-in site selling the planks, you know, selling the the and how difficult it is. Um and a lot of people did buy those as Christmas presents and putting it but but there was not a huge rollover of
people buying those. So again, it's it's tough to to um people pick and choose their their charities >> and this day and age, the picking and choosing is a lot more uh you know, finite than it was before. >> Um so >> and different libraries across the state
have set up absolutely they do it different ways. >> Um >> foundations or nonprofits. Eastim Library is one that um set up >> separate and they were very successful in raising a lot. >> Eastim was through a foundation. >> Yeah. Through a foundation.
>> A very tight year round community up there. Somewhat different than the Army. >> Oh yeah, definitely. Well, they have they only have one library. >> That's right. Right. >> Um so it makes that makes it that makes a difference. So >> but again that's the kind of thing that when we put our cost piece together, everyone's going to know.
>> Yeah. >> No one no one could Oh, I didn't know about that. Yeah, it was right there. We told you what it was going to be. >> Okay. >> So, Madam Chair, the other committee, just a quick one on um capital budget, >> which I'm stepping off and Tom stepping on. Uh we're actually doing some wrap-up
meetings in February to finalize all our numbers from this round of capital budget. Then we have a meeting with the board of select which I believe is on March 3rd, but I'm not positive on the date. So, I told Sandy that I would come
to the first meeting in February, pass the baton to Tom, and she asked if I would come with her to represent it um at the board selectment meeting in March, which I said I would. So, >> great. Thank you. >> Yeah, wastewater. We meet in two weeks. So, >> technically the appointment is that he
starts May 1st. >> Oh, then I guess >> ah I'm sorry, Tom. I was not aware >> I can attend just as a member. And look, >> you're still the voting like >> Yeah. >> Okay. So then I guess I'm on through through March until those board select meetings. >> That's right.
>> Thanks. I tried. >> All right. Let me resend what I said. I'll be I'll go all these. Tom, you're welcome to come. >> I'll probably I'll show up for a couple. >> Yeah. Okay. I'll let Sydney know tomorrow. >> Well, I'll see her I'll see her tomorrow. >> All right. Let her know that I'll be there through February.
>> Okay. >> We had a nice uh design review committee. You saw the VCO project that will come before us. It looks like there will be a stop along the way for >> the 703. >> Yeah. For the 703, which is the property adjacent to Parker's River, the old used
furniture place. >> Gardener tile. Right on right on the river. >> Right on the river. Three detached twotory buildings. Three three stories if you count the garage which is underneath. They're in a flood zone. >> Threebedroom units. Townhouse style. Two family duplex style town. >> They are duplexes.
>> Yeah, it looks good. How many units, Peter? Six six units. Uh Eric Tally did the design. >> Oh, good. >> All with water view, I assume, right? The river. >> Pretty tight site. The driveway comes in on behind it, so not on the river side.
Most of the front of the river area has some easements and some driveway and things there. So, >> it'll be wonderful. >> Real real real plus for the town. >> Huge improvement. >> Looks really nice. Um Taco Bell Kathy, any feedback from >> um they have submitted for site plan review. So, they went to design review,
which is advisory, and now they um I haven't received my copies yet. Um, >> take any of Sarah's? >> I haven't seen I haven't seen anything yet. I haven't gotten the official notice. I just know that there was a big box of rolled up plants from >> May have noticed Piccadilly Deli is
closed. >> Physical therapy >> is already in there. >> No, they're going really. So, where are we going to get? >> No, >> a new someone else. >> That's That's sad.
>> Yes. The buyers of the property are the So, it would make sense that it's that physical therapy, >> right? You're right. That's right. >> Okay. >> So, no more scrambled eggs. >> No more meat. You would pick a dilly deli. >> No pickilly liies. I'm going to cry. >> Yeah.
um next to the United therapy on station A that building they did line striping in the parking lot. >> Yeah, they did >> the old one liquor store. >> Yeah. >> They did they they have done line striping. >> I don't know what's taking so long.
They've been spending money and working on it. So you go sweet tomatoes and you cut through there and I went >> they've got line striping down now. Must be something happening. >> Accy permit if they have I mean is probably not. >> I don't think I don't know. I'd have to talk to >> They were supposed to be like a a
salaria, right? Like an Italian high-end >> grocery. Yeah, deli. >> Exactly. Grocery deli. Yeah. >> Has there been any movement, Kathy? I'm sorry we're throwing this stuff at you, but the old tasty buffet property that uh up on 28 in West.
>> No, the 228 Route 28. >> We approved. That's why I was like a year ago. Um I I've heard that they're not having a good they're not they have financial it's a whole about the finances and whether they can make it work. >> Okay.
>> Um >> they did have a floral um they had a floral place this summer like a flower >> that was Yeah, it was too popular. >> Yeah. >> Kathy, anything on Great Island? >> My personal favorite now that we're in we've ended the first decade of that being vacant like it is. I thought it a
memorial question. Nothing. >> No, nothing. >> Are they losing frontage on their side or the other side? >> It's not too too bad. It's more more on the other side. >> They don't have much to lose. >> Scally side, >> which they just of course they just did
that new gas station on the corner. So, they're going to lose all that nice gardening in front of it. >> They knew about it. I mean, when they did that work. So I I think again what we're trying to do is encourage people to plant your plantings as far back as possible. Don't >> give them a couple big rocks which I
think they can move back. >> They they knew about it and we had talked to them about >> uh any other committee. Uh >> yes. Um >> oh I'm so sorry. >> I apologize.
>> No problem. You know, there have been a few meetings of the housing committee and uh a few things that we've talked about like the uh the 703 that Peter just mentioned was it looks like it's going to be beautiful along Parker's
River and then um there was a a site visit to the Wood Road Habitat for Humanity pro project and uh everybody that seems to be progressing nicely and also some dis a lot discussion about the
645 Route 28 that Kathy's given us so much detail on because of the zoning amendment and uh all of these both of the ongoing projects are all waiting for 2028 so that the 645 is currently as
Kathy mentioned being used for staging of the sewer project and uh they're going in addition to the frontage issue apparently it's going require two um two lots being joined because of parking
needs that uh will be better served if there if it's a single lot. So that's something that sounds like will be coming up. uh at another meeting um Megan Eldridge gave us a very very
good uh summary of the muck and with obviously a focus on the different housing options and everybody's I think we've all seen a lot of those those muck alternatives and it's all you know seems
to be coming together nicely. uh the Yarmmouth Housing Authority, I believe they've had a meeting in the last couple of days and they're trying to come up with solutions to the water problems at the Forest Road site and to
try and come up with a new approach to an RFP. And then I think the most interesting thing has been the uh affordable housing trust re um the meeting the other day
that Kathy and Joanne both had a lot of good comments at. Uh I I was watching remotely. they uh about the short-term rental report that's moving through uh now they're finalizing the report and
we'll all be have to be making a lot of decisions about what's good and what wouldn't be good and so I think those are the basics of what's been going on in housing. >> Yeah, it's been a little bit busy for you.
>> It has been. I I would just want to point out um I think at the last meeting we talked about the presentation on the short-term uh rental study was going to be on February 10th, but the select board are not meeting on the 10th. They've moved their meeting to the 24th.
>> Right. So that's going to be on the February 24th. And as I mentioned, I will post that. We're hoping it kind of be more of a joint meeting. You guys have more ability to um more conversation and questions hopefully can be asked as part of that. So Kathy is going to be in the board of selectment
on the 24th. Is that what you said? Okay. >> At at some at one point did I see language that said it would be a joint meeting. That's what Mary keeps referring to it. It's totally up to the select board. I'm just going to post it as a planning board meeting and hope
that the select board are respectful and let you guys ask questions. >> All right. Yeah. And if obviously if five of four of us show up, it would be a meeting. Yeah. So, I'll I'll post it. >> Okay. >> On the 24th, right? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Um >> I have a paper copy, by the way, if anyone wants to print on both sides. I printed out the report that Kathy sent us. >> Redline one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's very helpful. >> Yeah. The red line version. >> Yeah. I'm not sure this is red line. I
mean, I see red print, but I'm not sure it's >> Yeah, this is the one that says January 2026. >> They submitted both and then I at the meeting at the affordable housing trust meeting. We asked that they provide the redlinined version so that we could see the sent to us
>> in the document. >> All right. So, this does not have the changes. This might >> I sent it out the other day. >> It's very, you know, there's not a significant I don't think amount. They did add some additional information. And one of the things that they did find was that the median uh price for the short-term rental housing is similar.
It's like $500,000 similar to the median. >> Kathy, would the will with the meeting with the board of selectment, would you think they're going to be focusing on the recommendations for revenue >> as opposed to discussing the the the picture of our short-term rental situation? Are they going to be focusing
mostly on the recommendations for for raising revenue? I based on the comments and dear feel free to chime in but based on the comments from Mark Forest he wants a clear conclusion about what the severity of the problem is and make it
very clear uh what that is and before we can even think about how we might be able to come up with >> what is the statement of the problem I always was confused what is the exact statement of the problem I was confused about exactly what is the problem with short-term rentals >> well I think there's good and the bad I
think what what they're what the whole study was about is are we losing year- round housing to short-term rentals? >> So, that was sort of the research question. Okay. >> And that and that, sorry to interrupt, dear, but I think that seed has been
planted for years now by um the housing assistance corporation and others. Um, not that it's not necessarily true, but it's just become
this point of of discussion um um among the the um affordable housing groups um as to some of the areas where um we might look to get more permanent um
affordable housing. Uh, and I'm I'm still not convinced that some adjustments to short-term rentals are going to help significantly >> the end >> in the end um uh in the end with the with the housing. But I will say that
the apartment complex is being built on East Main Street in Hyannis probably will. >> Yes. But but have you seen it? >> Yeah, I drove by it today. >> It's shocking. >> It's up on It's It's against the sidewalk. It's it's it blocks the sun.
It's unbelievable how big and it's right on the sidewalk. It is shocking what it's done to that end of Main Street. >> There's more to come. >> No, I know. Well, I think I think I think Hyenas our >> I think hyenas has finally identified its personality. >> There we go. We'll be we'll be a suburb.
>> Yeah. It's just it's just a massive between that and of course you got the Bournestein project at the very end of those streets. So, you get huge concentrations of housing. >> But that's that's big money that >> No, I know. But I'm just talking about housing in general. That's just a whole that >> eventually you're going to have the old U Cape Cod Bank and Trust Operations
Center. >> That's all going to be housing too. >> That's all going to be housing too. >> So you say that again? >> Right on the very beginning of Main Street. >> That's Chi North. >> Was that Well, years ago it used to be Cape Cod Bank. >> I'm dating. >> And that's that's currently vacant. I think that's totally vacant, isn't it? That building is totally vacant.
>> But they have plans approved for that. Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think that that what Joanne said is really the key factor. Is there really a problem? And like Mark Forest is pushing for, we've got to define if there's a
problem. And it's hard to say that there there's certainly no indicators that we can measure it at this point. But I think the real issue is that we have to do something at the town meeting in November because the current um clause
expires. So if we let it expire then they technically apparently from legal cases it means that short-term rentals are simply not allowed which is obviously an impossibility in Yarmouth.
>> So we either just have to um make a new one or extend the existing one. And I think that's the real problem just that we have to come to a conclusion even if that conclusion is they don't cause a problem. >> Right. Right. I you know I think one of the one of the pieces of comp and then
I'll shut up about this but I look at this all the time um as long as housing is a private sector activity and it's provided by the private sector the government you know generally does not do it unless it's an extreme case providing housing is a private sector
activity and so we have a an element in our society which is housing that serves two purposes it's investment and a business for some but it's also So it serves a social purpose on the other hand and how when and how should the government intervene with the private
sector to get that social service provided. Um the landscape vision was littered with failure on their government whether it's federal, state or local to do tinker with a private sector activity, tinker with the economy because you create a false market and
that's not good. So where do how when do you how should you do it and when should you do it? And that's why I think Mark's question is very good. Is there really a problem here? And your point is well taken. Even if we tinker on the edges, is there a problem? And is this
tinkering going to solve it? >> Well, the pro how do you measure the problem? Is the problem is it is it uh >> seasonal? Is it >> Well, no. If if you were to just measure it in the sense that how many houses would or might be available if the if we capped it at 1500 or 1400 or whatever
the number is if it was capped >> would it would it would it bring back five houses 10 houses 20 houses. So how do you want to measure? How does he mark want to measure? >> How do you measure? How do you measure enough? >> Or does it have to be 20 or 30? I mean what's >> how are we going to measure?
>> So >> and you know and if you if you talk to some real estate agents you know they'll tell you that there are the the there's lots of product in Yamat. There's lots of houses between 500 and 700. The issue is these poor family not poor families
these families trying to get the down payment. They're now paying a huge amount of rent which they could convert into a mortgage payment. It's getting that $100,000 down payment to get them into that private sector home. That's that and no one talks and Mary used to have a a program like that, but because
the value of houses has gone up, the down payment is higher and they just can't afford to do like the five or six that they used to do. Maybe that's something that should be looked at too is to beef up that down payment program to allow qualified applicants, the the teachers, the the policemen, the firemen
that want to live here and can find a nice little Cape Cod cottage, you know, you know, shingles. No, that's another No one looks at that. They always look at at subsidizing the market >> and changing the market. And that's I think that's too shortsighted. There's
lots of solutions if there is a problem. >> If there is a problem. >> Okay, >> that's it. I won't mention it again until we get to talk about >> be talking about this a lot more. So, it's probably going to be on our agenda >> from now until special time meeting.
>> Um, okay. Uh, Kathy, any staff updates um from your side? Correspondents? >> Um, yeah, I do. I got a call um from Christine Megon from 811 Route 28 and it looks like they got um their financing
and they have a contractor and they're going to start construction on those eight uh townhouse units at 81128. >> Which which is 811, Kath? >> Um it's next to Silvercloud. It was the eight condom town houses. >> The one the hydrant
fire turnound. >> I'll always refer to that as the hydrant project. Yeah. So I was so happy to hear that there, you know, she's lovely and she's worked so hard on it. So I'm glad that's good news. >> Great hate to see some >> action on 28 happening. >> Yeah. >> Well, the road project down by me at the
>> um the lumber is up. Um and it looks like it's, you know, moving forward. Uh which is great. >> That corner property. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the former gas station. Yeah. >> Um they're they're going they've been
working on that. uh every day. Uh any anything else, Kath, from your end? Okay. Uh we have uh just a couple of upcoming meetings, February 4th and obviously the 18th. Um >> and possibly the 24th. >> Yeah, we should have that.
>> And probably and Yeah, February 20. Yeah, February 24th. You're right. Yeah. Um, for the fourth Kathy, we'll look at um
what? I'm sorry. What What do we What do we think we were going to schedule for? >> I thought we were going to talk about short-term rentals and talk about the report in more detail. We keep talking about it. It's never really officially on the >> We'll do STRS on the 4th. >> Um, and then the 18th. Do anything in the pipeline?
Um, I don't know whether any of these BCOD site plan review projects are going to want to move forward or wait or or see where they stand. >> Okay. >> Um, >> um, and we'll we'll have the amendment to talk about >> on on the fourth. >> Yeah.
>> Did you say Taco Bell was on site plan review? >> Yes. >> Which is just town staff. Yeah. I like I say, I know they submitted it. It hasn't been distributed. And then it goes to design. >> It went to design. It always goes to design review first.
>> So you've seen it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that's when we had some suggestions. Sarah Porter did up a nice sketch u to try and make the architecture better. They didn't change anything to do with the site. Um but it's going to go through site plan review and then they need a lot of relief from the ZBA.
>> Okay. All right. So if we have nothing else um may have a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. Okay. Mr. Gayquin. >> Hi, >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi, >> Mr. Slobe.
>> Hi, >> Miss Britta. >> Hi, >> Mr. Pendleton. >> Hi. And me, Joan.